Audix OM5 or Sennheiser e835, e845
Jeff Witkop
Thanks to many. I'm looking for a decent mike for our male lead singer.
(Classic and modern rock band) He has a high range well suited for most of
our material, but sometimes sounds a little thin/reedy or nasally. In
addition, on tight stages feedback has sometimes, not often but sometimes,
been an issue with our SM-58s. I know the mike won't fix his voice, but
since we need a couple of new mikes anyway, I thought I would try to pick
one that would not accentuate any problems. Would you recommend one of the
Sennheiser evolution series, or would you go with Audix OM-5 or OM-7? Thank
you in advance.
Jeff
TimPerry
"Jeff Witkop" <jwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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would you buy a car without test driving it? try them all and find the one
that suits you. the OM series hypercardoid pattern can give superior
feedback rejection.
Sean Dolan
> would you buy a car without test driving it? try them all and find the one
> that suits you. the OM series hypercardoid pattern can give superior
> feedback rejection.
You can't (generally) just try a mic from most stores. That's the
issue...(sanitary resale issues).
A hypercardiod sounds like a logical choice.
-S
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Arny Krueger
When it was my money buying the mics, it was the OM6 for
male vocals.
Tom Scriber
money can buy.
Mike T.
<seang...@spamoffnyc.rr.com> wrote:
>On 6/5/05 11:12 PM, "TimPerry" wrote:
>
>> would you buy a car without test driving it? try them all and find the one
>> that suits you. the OM series hypercardoid pattern can give superior
>> feedback rejection.
>
>You can't (generally) just try a mic from most stores. That's the
>issue...(sanitary resale issues).
A store that serves musicians will know that you shouldn't buy a vocal
mic without trying it, any more than you should buy a guitar without
trying it.
Guitar Center, on the other hand, ...
Mike T.
Jeff Witkop
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> Definitive the Sennheiser 865. For me that's the best live vocal mic
> money can buy.
Thanks to Tim, Sean, Mike, Arny and Tom for your comments. First, good
advice on trying first, and maybe we will be able to. Logistics, however,
may dictate that I buy the mike without singer present. The investment is
relatively small, and I think both brands have their supporters, so risk is
minimal.
Now, I just have to look more closely into the two new models you
recommended - OM6 and e865.
Jeff
Gavin Ramsay
> "Tom Scriber" <nospam@invalid> wrote in message
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> > Definitive the Sennheiser 865. For me that's the best live vocal mic
> > money can buy.
> Now, I just have to look more closely into the two new models you
> recommended - OM6 and e865.
While we're talking Sennheisers, if it's a cardioid dynamic you're
interested in look also at the 935 and for a super-cardioid, the 425.
The 935'll be about the same price as a Shure Beta58, and the 425's a
bit more. I've been using the 935 in place of SM58's for a while now
with pretty dramatic improvements ;)
From your OP it sounds like you want a super/hypercardioid (this'll help
with feedback rejection, and the proximity effect might help you with
the "thin/reedy vocals" thing you've been hearing) - the 865 is a great
choice, also the 945 and 425 (this one has a great-sounding low end).
There's usually recomendations here for Neumann KMS-105 and Audix VX-10
as well (these are condensers like the Senn 865 and generally considered
top of the range).
Heh... lots to think about.
I think Sennheiser are making the most useful mikes in the world today.
I've got plenty of favourites from other manufacturers, but the new
products from Senny really hit the spot.
Good luck, man
Gavin
Phildo
"Gavin Ramsay" <g...@herringbone.org> wrote in message
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> I think Sennheiser are making the most useful mikes in the world today.
> I've got plenty of favourites from other manufacturers, but the new
> products from Senny really hit the spot.
>
Phildo
Jeff Witkop
"Gavin Ramsay" <g...@herringbone.org> wrote in message
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Gavin,
So much useful information in your post that I printed it out. Thanks for
the time spent helping out a Sound Reinforcement newbie! (I also want to
thank Phildo for adding his confirmation around the Sennheisers.) I'm in my
late forties (OK, 49 - almost 50) but I'm really out of touch with the
technical aspects of sound gear. I wasn't when I was young, but now I feel
pretty out of touch. It used to be my understanding that condenser mikes
were somewhat delicate for live sound, but I guess that's no longer true.
Besides, probably because we're older, we treat our gear like gold anyway.
Thanks again for all the great advice. I think I'm going with the 865, but
I will also try a 945 and a 425 if I can find a place around here with them
in stock. Or, I guess I could try mail order with a 30 day guarantee.
Jeff
Gavin Ramsay
(vocal mike choice)
> It used to be my understanding that condenser mikes were somewhat delicate
> for live sound, but I guess that's no longer true.
Years ago there just weren't many condensers designed for knocking about
in singers hands. For a long time the Shure 87s were almost the only
handheld condensers I saw on stage - now it's the new "must have" for
every manufacturer... My KMS-105's are quite a few years old now and
still going strong.
> I think I'm going with the 865, but I will also try a 945 and a 425 if I
> can find a place around here with them in stock.
Those are all great mikes - the 945 hits the sweet spot for
price/versatility as well if you think you may need it for other jobs.
If you're looking at music stores I'd be *amazed* if any had the 945 or
especially 425 in stock. These guys make their money from selling SM58s
as the best mike ever (tm). You might be lucky, though. Try calling
dealers - the Senny website should tell you who distributes in your
area.
But if you're in North America you should *really* check out the Audix
stuff as well - the reviews they get are the same as the Sennys get from
us europeans ;) You'll probably find a dealer closer to you (Michael
Gaster on this group is one) and you may be able to arrange a trial.
Good luck!
Gavin
Zigakly
Before you spend $200+ on a mic, find a place to rent/borrow an AKG D880. I
find they work very well with a very wide variety of voices and have
excellent feedback rejection. Musiciansfriend.com sells them in pairs for
$90.
Henri Minette
mic for the money. If you are willing to spend more for a condenser,
the e865, Audix VX-10 or Neumann KMS-105 are great. Another mic well
worth trying is the Audio Technica AE5400 condenser which is somewhat
less pricy than the Audix VX-10 or the Neumann, but performs quite
well. I have some VX-10s and some AT4054s (the prior version of the
AE5400 without the rolloff switch) and like them both. They each like
most mics, sound different on different people. Used AT4054s can go
pretty inexpensively on E-Bay ($140 or so) and are a relative bargain.
Jeff Witkop
> Jeff Witkop <jwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> (vocal mike choice)
>
>> It used to be my understanding that condenser mikes were somewhat
>> delicate
>> for live sound, but I guess that's no longer true.
>
> Years ago there just weren't many condensers designed for knocking about
> in singers hands. For a long time the Shure 87s were almost the only
> handheld condensers I saw on stage - now it's the new "must have" for
> every manufacturer... My KMS-105's are quite a few years old now and
> still going strong.
>
Good info. Thanks.
> If you're looking at music stores I'd be *amazed* if any had the 945 or
> especially 425 in stock. These guys make their money from selling SM58s
> as the best mike ever (tm). You might be lucky, though. Try calling
> dealers - the Senny website should tell you who distributes in your
> area.
>
> But if you're in North America you should *really* check out the Audix
> stuff as well - the reviews they get are the same as the Sennys get from
> us europeans ;) You'll probably find a dealer closer to you (Michael
> Gaster on this group is one) and you may be able to arrange a trial.
>
Found the Audix line at both BSW and Full Compass (mail order houses), but
could not find any of the Sennheiser models you outlined at BSW or
Musician's Friend. I found an e865 at Full Compass. Thanks again.
Jeff
Jeff Witkop
"Henri Minette" <min...@minn.net> wrote in message
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Thanks Henri!