Behringer PMH2000 troubles
LOTL
musiciansfriend.
I bought the package at the link below.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-PMH2000E1520-PA-Package?sku=631261
After hooking it all up and initially just plugging in a single mic and
playing with some of the effects, i hooked up my XM radio home kit via
some RCA cables to the RCA inputs.
I raised the volume up about 1/2 way and after a couple of minuets the
AMP shut off.
I let it cool down and then turned it on and after a few minuets of
just sitting there it shut off again.
I RMA'd it to musciansfriend and then after almost 2 weeks i received
the replacement PMH2000 today.
Hooked it up again, but this time used a pair of 1/4"xRCA cables to
hook it into one of the stereo channels. Once again did the same
playing around with the mic and testing some of the effects, and then
turned on the XM radio again.
Cranked it up about 1/2 way once again and after a minuet or so i heard
a couple of pops, the lights dimmed in the room and i smelled an
electrical burning smell. The music kept on playing which was strange
and i pulled the plug.
So now im not sure what the heck the deal is, could it be the AMP
doesn't like being plugged into a surge protector? I doubt it. Could it
possibly be a bad cable or an issue with one of the speakers?
The AMP this time felt very cool and i actually felt cool air blowing
out the back of the vents.
Neither speakon cable seemed warm and both connections at the speakers
and AMP were secure.
All the wiring in the house is new and i used to run my entire
entertainment center off of this outlet for years. (was not running
anything else on this circuit at the time the problems occurred)
Musiciansfriend is willing to take back the entire system and exchange
it for a similar Yamaha package shown at this link:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-EMX312SCBR15-PA-Package?sku=630200
I wasnt all that thrilled with the sound quality when playing music
through the speakers for the short time i was able to. I had to tweak
the equalizers in order to get reasonably decent sound out of it.
The sound even then was pretty flat and not as vibrant as i hoped it
would be.
Im wondering what others think could have caused 2 Amps to go like
this, and if you think the Yamaha package i posted the link for should
provide decent enough sound quality.
We had a budget origiannly of only $600 and i stretched that to $700 to
pick up the Behringer system, so getting anything beyond the posted
Yamaha system is out of the question.
System will be used mostly for (listed in order of importance) Public
speaking, background music, Karaoke, Open Mic nights, DJ use and all at
Venues of 350 or less.
Bassmaniac
with it every weekend without any problems. Maybe your speakers or
speaker cables are defective. You might wanna check that out.
Bassmaniac
with it every weekend without any problems. Maybe your speakers or
speaker cables are defective. You might wanna check that out.
Bassmaniac
with it every weekend without any problems. Maybe your speakers or
speaker cables are defective. You might wanna check that out.
TimPerry
i have 2 of these (PMH2000) amps and they do all i ask of them. i even used
one for a fairly loud "Blues Brothers" show one time. i have used them for
stage monitor system for rock bands.
it boils down to just 2 likely possibilities. either you were unlucky enough
to get 2 defective units or something in your setup is not right.
first, download the spec sheet here
http://www.behringer.com/PMH2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG
note output wiring configuration.
double check that your speakon wiring does not short a hot to ground. (i.e.
only 1+ and 1- should go to a load.)
i normally use 4 wire cables with these, however 2+ and 2- are not connected
to anything at the speaker end.
Todd H.
> I have installed two PMH2000 in fixed installations and ourband plays
> with it every weekend without any problems. Maybe your speakers or
> speaker cables are defective. You might wanna check that out.
We've had good luck with ours as well, fwiw.
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Todd H.
> Just received my 2nd Behringer PMH2000 powered mixer from
> musiciansfriend.
> I bought the package at the link below.
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-PMH2000E1520-PA-Package?sku=631261
For what it's worth, we gigged with that complement of 1520 speakers
and the PMH2000 for a couple years before we recently downsized the
speakers to the B212 or B215's (can't recall which we have) after our
guitarist tweaked his back at the gym.
We've never had a problem, and sounded much better than the aging
Yorkville and Peavey setup this replaced.
Jim Savery of Behringer ... are you listening?
Best Regards,
Phil Allison
"LOT" <lotl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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** Groper in Trouble Alert !
> Just received my 2nd Behringer PMH2000 powered mixer from
> musiciansfriend.
> I bought the package at the link below.
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-PMH2000E1520-PA-Package?sku=631261
>
> After hooking it all up and initially just plugging in a single mic and
> playing with some of the effects, i hooked up my XM radio home kit via
> some RCA cables to the RCA inputs.
> I raised the volume up about 1/2 way and after a couple of minuets the
> AMP shut off.
> I let it cool down and then turned it on and after a few minuets of
> just sitting there it shut off again.
> I RMA'd it to musciansfriend and then after almost 2 weeks i received
> the replacement PMH2000 today.
> Hooked it up again, but this time used a pair of 1/4"xRCA cables to
> hook it into one of the stereo channels. Once again did the same
> playing around with the mic and testing some of the effects, and then
> turned on the XM radio again.
> Cranked it up about 1/2 way once again and after a minuet or so i heard
> a couple of pops, the lights dimmed in the room and i smelled an
> electrical burning smell. The music kept on playing which was strange
> and i pulled the plug.
** Errr - don't it kinda look like that " XM radio " POS is the
culprit ????
Very likely the signal coming out is infected with masses of supersonic
energy from the digital processing circuitry.
Meanwhile ....... the Behringer PMH2000 is specified in the manual as having
better than 200 kHz 3dB bandwidth at the mic inputs = PURE INSANITY
by Behringer.
The power stage of the Behringer is not able to cope with high level
supersonics, very few power amps can, ( something called the Zobel network
goes up in smoke) and then the amp quickly overheats and either shuts off
or blows up.
SOLUTION :
Do NOT use that damn XM radio !!
........ Phil
Eeyore
LOTL wrote:
> Just received my 2nd Behringer PMH2000 powered mixer from
> musiciansfriend.
> I bought the package at the link below.
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-PMH2000E1520-PA-Package?sku=631261
>
> After hooking it all up and initially just plugging in a single mic and
> playing with some of the effects, i hooked up my XM radio home kit via
> some RCA cables to the RCA inputs.
What's a " XM radio home kit " ?
It may not be adequately immune to the rf field.
Graham
Jim Savery
"LOTL" <lotl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just received my 2nd Behringer PMH2000 powered mixer from
> musiciansfriend.
> I bought the package at the link below.
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-PMH2000E1520-PA-Package?sku=631261
>
> After hooking it all up and initially just plugging in a single mic and
> playing with some of the effects, i hooked up my XM radio home kit via
> some RCA cables to the RCA inputs.
> I raised the volume up about 1/2 way and after a couple of minuets the
> AMP shut off.
> I let it cool down and then turned it on and after a few minuets of
> just sitting there it shut off again.
> I RMA'd it to musciansfriend and then after almost 2 weeks i received
> the replacement PMH2000 today.
> Hooked it up again, but this time used a pair of 1/4"xRCA cables to
> hook it into one of the stereo channels. Once again did the same
> playing around with the mic and testing some of the effects, and then
> turned on the XM radio again.
> Cranked it up about 1/2 way once again and after a minuet or so i heard
> a couple of pops, the lights dimmed in the room and i smelled an
> electrical burning smell. The music kept on playing which was strange
> and i pulled the plug.
Hi LOTL. I saw your post have to admit that I'm puzzled. I think we'll
need more information about your setup - especially with regard to your
speakers and Speakon cable setup. If you want to visit our online support
site over the weekend and look at FAQs and manuals, please visit us here and
open a tech support incident if you are so inclined:
http://behringer-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/behringer_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?sm=2
Otherwise, please drop me a line at the email address below and I'll have an
advanced tech support rep walk through your setup with you. This is not
something we are hearing from the field, and I'm sure we can get to the
bottom of it in relatively short order.
Best Regards,
Jim Savery
Global Customer Service & Support Manager
BEHRINGER Group
Tel: +01-425-672-0816 x 111
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"Eeysore"
> What's a " XM radio home kit " ?
** Google is your friend .............
> It may not be adequately immune to the rf field.
** Off with the pixies tonight .......
....... Phil
Gareth Magennis
What speakers are you using? If they contain a passive crossover, it could
be that one of both of them is damaged. This can short part of the audio
spectrum without necessarily blowing any fuses, resulting in a strange
sounding EQ. The amp will be pouring loads of watts into them but only a
fraction may be getting to the speakers themselves. Or possibly you have a
dodgy Speakon cable.
Gareth.
LOTL
the cables are brand new and were included with the package. To check
out the speakers and or cables would require opening them up (which
wouldnt be a big deal with the cables) but if im to RMA this whole
system i dont want to take the chance that someone raises a stink that
i opened up the speakers.
As far as trying other cables or speakers i could grab a set of older
Peavey 3 ways from a friend and try running them, but im still stuck
with a PMH2000 that just snap, crackled and popped.
So i am waiting to hear back from Musiciansfriends tech support people.
And i will most certainly email Behringer tech support. (thanks Jim for
replying)
As far as the XM radio home kit, its just a docking station for my
Delphi Skifi XM radio. I hook it up to my home stereo and never had a
problem, and the sound quality has never been an issue.
I also used it this summer at our annual BBQ, hooked up to a friends PA
system, which was comprised of a Behringer Mixer, an older 400 Watt amp
and the Peavey speakers.
To wait another 2 weeks on the odd chance i got 2 defective PMH200's im
not so sure im willing to take that chance.
If somehow it can be determined exactly what happened i may be
convinced to hang onto everything. I think it will most likely require
and evaluation by Behringer along with as much detail as i can provide.
If it turns out to be the XM radio as the culprit then im not sure what
to think. Ive seen cheapo boom boxes and cassette players hooked up to
the mixers before with no problems.
Ill fill out the support ticket with Behringer and will be sure to post
back the outcome.
Eeyore
Phil Allison wrote:
I was thinking it may have a transmitter like a wireless mic.
Graham
LOTL
They are the Behringer E1520's shown at the link below.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-E1520-Eurolive-Performer-Series-15-2Way-Speaker?sku=600705
I guess it would have to be both that are damaged if this were the
case. They both sounded identical when i was testing them. Vocals did
sound crisp when using the mic, but as i said when playing the music
via the XM radio it was a pretty dull sound.
I was going to try another source but then the AMP did its popping
thing and that was the end of that.
Phil Allison
** Groper Idiot Alert.
> So i am waiting to hear back from Musiciansfriends tech support people.
> And i will most certainly email Behringer tech support. (thanks Jim for
> replying)
** A giant W O F T A M !!
Only a when a REAL tech ACTUALLY inspects the damage is the mystery gonna
be solved.
YOU are just PISSING in the WIND with stupid bloody emails and newsgroup
postings.
> As far as the XM radio home kit, its just a docking station for my
> Delphi Skifi XM radio.
** Piss the POS off - you bloody idiot .
By your OWN posts it IS the only common factor in the matter.
....... Phil
LOTL
Phil,
Thank you so much for your kind responses, its people like you that
make usenet such a great place for us less informed to come and learn.
Now why dont you crawl back in the hole you came out of and PISS OFF
yourself.
TimPerry
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:01:42 -0400, "TimPerry"
> <timp...@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> i have 2 of these (PMH2000) amps and they do all i ask of them. i
>> even used one for a fairly loud "Blues Brothers" show one time. i
>> have used them for stage monitor system for rock bands.
>>
>> it boils down to just 2 likely possibilities. either you were
>> unlucky enough to get 2 defective units or something in your setup
>> is not right.
>>
>> first, download the spec sheet here
>> http://www.behringer.com/PMH2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG
>> note output wiring configuration.
>>
>> double check that your speakon wiring does not short a hot to
>> ground. (i.e. only 1+ and 1- should go to a load.)
>>
>> i normally use 4 wire cables with these, however 2+ and 2- are not
>> connected to anything at the speaker end.
>>
>>
>
>
> can it be that the radio mx mic whatever is oscilating somewhere up
> from 19kHz
> you would not hear it but it could drive your preamps and power amps
> way above eleven withour you ever noticing
> could wel explain the bad sound too
>
> cheers
>
> Marc
i am about to use one with a FM radio. i don't anticipate any problems.
i have also used this with a cheep-o IEM receiver as a wireless remote PA.
there is an issue with some XM receivers that have built in FM modulaters.
see
http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/special-report/2006.07.19-04_rw_RF_mods_2.shtml
my PMH works well in in AM feilds of approx 2,000 to 4,000 mV (within 350
feet of a 5,000W AM antenna array)
Todd H.
> Jim Savery
> Global Customer Service & Support Manager
> BEHRINGER Group
> Tel: +01-425-672-0816 x 111
> Direct Dial: +01-425-939-3216
> Fax: +01-425-673-7647
> IP Phone Ext: 5024
> mailto:j.sa...@behringer.com
> http://www.behringer.com
And THIS is why I like recommending Behringer stuff.
LOTL
I have the original Skyfi unit without the FM modulator.
I have an email into Jim at Behringer and did get a reply from
musiciansfriend tech support.
Basically it comes down to them needing to test the unit and even then
it could be inconclusive as to what caused it.
Ill wait to hear from Behringer before doing another exchange or
upgrading to the Yamaha system.
Phil Allison
"LOTL" = Asinine FUCKWIT & TROLL
> wrote in message
> news:1162047134.9...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
** Groper Fucking Idiot Alert.
> So i am waiting to hear back from Musiciansfriends tech support people.
> And i will most certainly email Behringer tech support. (thanks Jim for
> replying)
** A giant W O F T A M !!
Only a when a REAL tech ACTUALLY inspects the damage is the mystery gonna
be solved.
YOU are just PISSING in the WIND with stupid bloody emails and newsgroup
postings.
> As far as the XM radio home kit, its just a docking station for my
> Delphi Skifi XM radio.
** Piss the POS off - you bloody idiot .
By your OWN posts it IS the only common factor in the matter.
...... Phil
Phil Allison
"Todd H."
> "Jim Savery"
>
>> Jim Savery
>> Global Customer Service & Support Manager
>> BEHRINGER Group
>> Tel: +01-425-672-0816 x 111
>> Direct Dial: +01-425-939-3216
>> Fax: +01-425-673-7647
>> IP Phone Ext: 5024
>> mailto:j.sa...@behringer.com
>> http://www.behringer.com
>
>
> And THIS is why I like recommending Behringer stuff.
** ?????????????????????
What a gullible MORON !!
....... Phil
Todd H.
"Phil Allison" <phila...@tpg.com.au> writes:
> "Todd H." [wrote:]
>
>> And THIS is why I like recommending Behringer stuff.
>
LOL. Well, obviously!
([whispers] We are here at AAPLS where we've secretly replaced an
apparent random Behringer fan that Phil might attack successfully with
someone with a pair of engineering degrees, with circuit design
experience, whose gigged in bands for the last two decades, who has
direct, recent and positive experience with the exact equipment
mentioned in this thread as well as direct experience Jim's helpful
customer service on several occasions. Let's see if Phil can tell the
difference!)
Best Regards,
Phil Allison
"Todd Half Wit "
>> Jim Savery
>> Global Customer Service & Support Manager
>> BEHRINGER Group
>> Tel: +01-425-672-0816 x 111
>> Direct Dial: +01-425-939-3216
>> Fax: +01-425-673-7647
>> IP Phone Ext: 5024
>> mailto:j.sa...@behringer.com
>> http://www.behringer.com
>
>
> And THIS is why I like recommending Behringer stuff.
** ?????????????????????
What a gullible MORON !!
> LOL. Well, obviously!
** Yawn - just another know nothing, bass player jerk off.
........ Phil
Todd H.
> ** Yawn
Whoa.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_usubject=Phil+Allison
Phil buddy take your meds. No meds? See your doctor. There are
treatments for cranial rectal syndrome. Followups set accordingly.
Gareth Magennis
> Gareth,
> They are the Behringer E1520's shown at the link below.
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-E1520-Eurolive-Performer-Series-15-2Way-Speaker?sku=600705
>
> I guess it would have to be both that are damaged if this were the
> case. They both sounded identical when i was testing them. Vocals did
> sound crisp when using the mic, but as i said when playing the music
> via the XM radio it was a pretty dull sound.
> I was going to try another source but then the AMP did its popping
> thing and that was the end of that.
>
>
Well it's not beyond the realms of possibility that some HF oscillation from
the radio or elsewhere fried both crossovers at once which then took out the
amp, the symptoms fit. Its a pity there wasn't time to check the sound of
the speakers after the amp died.
Guess we'll have to wait for a tech report then.
Gareth.
George Gleason
,as well as tons of gear from nearly all other manufactures, leads me to
misuse by the end user
I have run xm radios over and over again through sound systems with no ill
effects
with the quality control behringer impliments its seems HIGHLY unlikey that
several units shipped defective
oh and just a point to the OP, the yamaha is NOT a step up from the
behringer
Phonic makes the yamaha unit your looking at and it is truely one of the
worst units on the market
George
Gareth Magennis
"George Gleason" <tbmo...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> my experiance with hundreds of pieces of behringer gear
> ,as well as tons of gear from nearly all other manufactures, leads me to
> misuse by the end user
> I have run xm radios over and over again through sound systems with no ill
> effects
> with the quality control behringer impliments its seems HIGHLY unlikey
> that several units shipped defective
Yes, I would be very wary of assuming 2 faulty units had been delivered.
Gareth.
LOTL
Do you have any links or references on the EMX312SC to support this?
I did just start another thread on the EMX312SC, because i thought this
one had run its course.
I am a newbie when it comes to PA systems, but im no newbie when it
comes to things of a technical nature.
I did not minimize the use i put the PMH2000 through. I was real
careful this last time (and the first time) when hooking up the AMP.
Made sure power was off when hooking everything up, did not exceed 1/2
way on the main level, made sure all levels were turned down when
powering on the AMP.
Its possible the inexpensive Belkin surge protector i plugged it into
is on its way out, but i had previously used it for my Yamaha Home
Audio receiver and other A/V components with no issues.
I find the whole thing hard to believe myself and my frustration level
is up there.
Im all ears as to what other type of misuse could have caused this to
happen.
George Gleason
> George,
> Do you have any links or references on the EMX312SC to support this?
suppose I could look for some but after decades in pro live sound and
hundreds of thousands of my own dollars spent and mis spent on gear it is my
experiance and dozens of conversations with people at all levels of the
industry that allow me to say this with confidence
as for spending time doing goggles to "prove" it to you
it really doesn't mean that much to me, believe what you will
.
> I am a newbie when it comes to PA systems,
I am not. Google me or go to
georgesprosound.com
there you will discover I am a LAZY web site producer
I am simply stateing what my experiance would lead me to believe
but of coure OJ COULD have really been innocent as well, after all DNA isn't
ALWAYS right
your story was simply put to the "duck test"
if it walks like a duck,looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, the logical
conclusion is ,it's a duck
George
LOTL
I apologize if my reply seemed hostile. I am just so frustrated with
this whole thing. And then to read what you posted on the Yamaha system
(which i was seriously considering ) put the stress level into
overload.
I suppose i could purchase the exact same Behringer system and then
return just the AMP, speakers and cables.
If you were in my shoes what would you suggest here? I can push our
budget to $900 but that has to include 2 mics, amp, 15" speakers,
speaker stands and all the cables.
If im to deal with musciansfreind im limited to only a couple of
packages. I could try to get my money back and go elsewhere.
Any suggestions are welcomed.
Eeyore
LOTL wrote:
> George,
> Do you have any links or references on the EMX312SC to support this?
> I did just start another thread on the EMX312SC, because i thought this
> one had run its course.
You mean about the Yamaha unit being made by the manufacturer of Phonic ?
This is my info too.
In fact we had a sample unit of my own design made by them and I wasn't much
impressed either by their Q/C or the some of the components they used.
The low end Yamaha stuff is just basically the same Asian junk as many other
cheap brands. There is no connection whatever with their high end SR kit.
Graham
Phildo
> Ill wait to hear from Behringer before doing another exchange or
> upgrading to the Yamaha system.
That's not upgrading despite you having to pay more. You are taking a step
down going for the Yamaha.
Phildo
Phildo
> Just received my 2nd Behringer PMH2000 powered mixer from
> musiciansfriend.
> I bought the package at the link below.
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-PMH2000E1520-PA-Package?sku=631261
>
> After hooking it all up and initially just plugging in a single mic and
> playing with some of the effects, i hooked up my XM radio home kit via
> some RCA cables to the RCA inputs.
> I raised the volume up about 1/2 way and after a couple of minuets the
> AMP shut off.
Hmmmm, it works fine until you plug this XM radio thing into it then it
dies. OK. That's clue number one.
> I let it cool down and then turned it on and after a few minuets of
> just sitting there it shut off again.
> I RMA'd it to musciansfriend and then after almost 2 weeks i received
> the replacement PMH2000 today.
> Hooked it up again, but this time used a pair of 1/4"xRCA cables to
> hook it into one of the stereo channels. Once again did the same
> playing around with the mic and testing some of the effects, and then
> turned on the XM radio again.
Can you see what is coming?
> Cranked it up about 1/2 way once again and after a minuet or so i heard
> a couple of pops, the lights dimmed in the room and i smelled an
> electrical burning smell. The music kept on playing which was strange
> and i pulled the plug.
And there you have it. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out that
when you plug this radio thingy in it causes problems. Easy solution - get
another Behringer but this time keep the dodgy radio device well and truly
unplugged.
Phildo
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I have the same information,that the OEM is Phonic. The few items of Phonic
that I inspected internally were not impressive- poor solder, crap parts. I
suspect taking the lead out of solder caused them a lot of problems.
Yamaha has some decent high end- I've used and owned some of it. But I would
be wary in the low end.
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George Gleason
why don't you go to a RETAIL outlet, test the equipment to be sure its in
working condition prior to putting up your money
Guitar Center and Daddys Junky music(here in the states) will sell at thier
internet prices with retail service
Hint(but I am not going to google to "prove "this either
Guitar Center is the retail arm of Musicians Friend
unless you live in noplace alaska there is sure to be a decent retail center
within 3 hours drive
George
George Gleason
I will come toyou at my expense and solve your problems, I will carry a
system that you can rent if we can not get yours working
george
Phildo
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>>
>> This is my info too.
>>
>> In fact we had a sample unit of my own design made by them and I wasn't
> much
>> impressed either by their Q/C or the some of the components they used.
>>
>> The low end Yamaha stuff is just basically the same Asian junk as many
> other
>> cheap brands. There is no connection whatever with their high end SR kit.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>
> I have the same information,that the OEM is Phonic. The few items of
> Phonic
> that I inspected internally were not impressive- poor solder, crap parts.
> I
> suspect taking the lead out of solder caused them a lot of problems.
>
> Yamaha has some decent high end- I've used and owned some of it. But I
> would
> be wary in the low end.
I still remember the guy who came on here as a newly appointed rep for
Phonic and swore blind that they made the mixwizard OEM for A&H !!! Strange
that he didn't last long after that and stopped posting. Either that or I
have a sneaking suspicion he changed his name from Lee Sebel to Arny Krueger
as he's the only other person here capable of making posts at that level of
utter stupidity.
http://tinyurl.com/yfvyez - one of the most ludicrous posts ever made on the
newsgroup, right up there with the infamous "FOH" one we all know and love.
Phildo
LOTL
Thanks for your generous offer but im in Central Ma which is a haul
from Syracuse.
After visiting a local music store and comparing prices for the package
i bought from MF. They were i think $300 higher. Would i have gotten
better stands, cables and mics? Maybe but price was the driving force
here.
Thanks for the heads up on Guitar Center, they have a location in good
ole tax free NH about an hour from here.
Had a conversation with them this afternoon and he did say they would
be able to match the MF price. Unfortunately i wasn't aware of that or
i would have gone to them in the first place.
Newbie mistake. He did say they were owned by the same corporation but
that was about as far as it went. He couldnt do any sort of exchange
with equipment bought from MF. He did say he would let me bring the
speakers and amp in and test them out though.
Im so used to purchasing computer components online for a PC repair
sideline business i do that i didnt think to try a price match
especially after seeing the local music shops best price.
On another note i received a call from Behringer tech support just
after they opened, and we spent close to an hour on the phone going
over the issue and inspecting the speakon cable wiring again etc.
He has me doing some tests to try and isolate the problem. The last of
which will be hooking up the speakers and running the XM radio into the
same channel i had the issue with the other night.
At the moment i have the XM radio hooked up by itself with no cables or
speakers connected, and im letting it sit for an hour to see how things
go. If all goes well then ill hook up the speakers and let them sit for
an hour without the XM connected. Last thing will be to run everything
the way i had the other night when i had the problem.
I dont think ill see anything until the last test, in which case im
back at square one.
I have a small MP3 player which i can hook up and see what happens with
that as well.
If the AMP was damaged the other night then most likely this is all a
waste of time.
The Behringer tech also suggested i try testing it with another set of
speakers and cables, which im a little leery to do especially with a
questionable amp.
Seeing as how i really dont want to spend any more money on this and
you guys have put the fear of god into me with the Yamaha i asked
about, ill probably ask for my money back from MF and then have Guitar
Center in NH price match and buy from them.
Both Behringer tech support and Guitar Center doubted that the XM was
at fault.
Ill bring the XM radio with me when i go to GC and have them hook it up
before i take anything home.
Ill be sure to post back the results of this mess once i come to a
hopefully successful conclusion.
George Gleason
> George,
> Thanks for your generous offer but im in Central Ma which is a haul
> from Syracuse.
I feel your frustration
I had the same experiance with usb interfaces for recording, i kept buying
better and better but no one could make anything work
so I gave up
sold my collection of (new)M-audio/percision devices/Tascam as junk and now
record via the soundcard in my thinkpad
george
liquidator
"Phildo" <Ph...@phildo.net> wrote in message
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If you remember Seibel was going to give names of music store owners as
references on how great the Phonic amps were. Blissfully unaware that that
was akin to no reference at all.
LOTL
and speakers. He also said that due to the special order that they
would not be covered by their performance guarantee or something to
that affect. Sounds like id be jumping out of the frying pan and into
the fire with that deal.
MF is willing to exchange speakers, cables and amp. So i may go that
route instead.
I completed the tests Behringer tech support asked me to do last night
and i found out the right output is blown. I guess i didnt notice that
the other night before i pulled the plug.
So ill leave the surge protector out of the mix this next time and im
borrowing a tester from a friend to check the grounding at my house.
I may also stop down at this local music store today and ask them if
they could hook up my XM radio to a PMH2000 and see how it goes,
although after i tell them what ive been through i think they may be
reluctant to try it.
Eeyore
LOTL wrote:
I would think so !
Why don't you get a tech to look at its output instead ?
Graham
LOTL
> Why don't you get a tech to look at its output instead ?
>
> Graham
The trouble with taking it anywhere is that its covered by MF warranty.
Maybe Behringer would be willing to let me take it to a local
authorized shop at no charge, but the turn around time may not be quick
enough in order to get it back to me in 2 weeks.
Not to mention they probably wont be able to tell me anything unless i
take the cables and speakers along with it.
Im reluctant to go through this a 3rd time, but MF is willing to
exchange the amp, speakers and cables at no charge. (not bad customer
service for a web based co.)
Behringer has also asked if i would be willing to let them walk me
through the hookup once the new equipment shows up. (blow to the ego,
but after what ive been through im all for it)
If a 3rd amp goes then ill get my money back and have somene else play
soundman for our nonprofit.
On another note, Musicians Friend is allowing me to upgrade to a
different Behringer speaker for an additional $76.
While im not thrilled with the looks of them, they have better specs it
appears, 1/4" and speakon connections, and are almost 10 lbs lighter.
Existing Speaker:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-E1520-Eurolive-Performer-Series-15-2Way-Speaker?sku=600705
New Speaker B215:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-EUROLIVE-B215-Passive-2Way-Loudspeaker?sku=600732
Any input is appreciated
Eeyore
LOTL wrote:
> Eeyore wrote:
> > Why don't you get a tech to look at its output instead ?
> >
> > Graham
>
> The trouble with taking it anywhere is that its covered by MF warranty.
It doesn't need to be opened. The tech just needs to look at the output signal to see if that's causing the
problem.
Graham
Todd H.
> Existing Speaker:
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-E1520-Eurolive-Performer-Series-15-2Way-Speaker?sku=600705
>
> New Speaker B215:
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-EUROLIVE-B215-Passive-2Way-Loudspeaker?sku=600732
>
> Any input is appreciated
We actually have both of these. The E1520 sounds better when playing
CD's through it.
The B215 we got when the guitar player munged up his back and needed
to lighten the load so to speak. The B215 is a much harsher sounding
speaker needing eq to smooth out (It's a plastic housed speaker).
It's a less efficient/loud cabinet. I wouldn't recommend it for sound
_reproduction_ work (e.g. dj, playing cd's), but it does work great
doing live music pushing vocals and guitar through the PA because it
sounds fine for that and is so damned light and a breeze to set up.
Despite those limitations, the weight and value is just too good to
pass up. We haven't brought out the E1520's in many many months. The
power handling on the B215's is nutty too. In bars we want more
volume without bringing additional amplification, we actually bought
another pair of B215's and run 4 of them off our PMX2000.
Hope that helps you decide. I would ask Jim to refer you a local
authorized servicer to take a look at what's going on with your amp,
and see if he can't get you a fresh new unit to work with while that's
in the shop. Behringer should be interested in whatever caused 2
consecutive failures for ya.
LOTL
Sounds like for our uses (public speaking, background music, karaoke
and maybe an occasional open mic the E1520's were the way to go. I do
wish they were a little lighter, but for our intended use i can live
with the 10 extra lbs. They are certainly lighter than the Peavey 3 way
65+ lb monsters a friend let us use this summer.
Ive been emailing Jim and another Behringer tech on the west coast and
i think im going to go with exchanging the amp, speakers and cables and
then have them walk me through the hookup. They seem to be leaning
towards it being a cable issue and ive asked that they send me a set of
cables of their choice for round 3.
Stay tuned...
Todd H.
> Thanks Todd,
> Sounds like for our uses (public speaking, background music, karaoke
> and maybe an occasional open mic the E1520's were the way to go. I do
> wish they were a little lighter, but for our intended use i can live
> with the 10 extra lbs. They are certainly lighter than the Peavey 3 way
> 65+ lb monsters a friend let us use this summer.
LOL... Shit, I think I have those too! Peavey International Series 3
3-ways circa the early 90's? A brownish black carpet covered
enclosure? They are heavy sons a bitches for sure.
> Ive been emailing Jim and another Behringer tech on the west coast and
> i think im going to go with exchanging the amp, speakers and cables and
> then have them walk me through the hookup. They seem to be leaning
> towards it being a cable issue and ive asked that they send me a set of
> cables of their choice for round 3.
> Stay tuned...
Yeah it's a screwy one for sure. Always interesting to see how
debuggin unfolds.
LOTL
the 2nd PMH2000, and speakon speaker cables from Musicians Friend. I
hooked it all up and went through Behringers step by step method of
testing everything.
After hooking up the speakers with 1 mic attached, i had no sound from
one of the speakers.
I determined that the speaker was blown this time and not an output on
the amp.
I then sent Behringer a nasty email. I was ready to walk away from the
whole mess and get my money back from MF and chalk it all up to
extremely bad luck.
Behringer offered to upgrade my speakers from the E1520's to the
B1520's at no charge. Nice upgrade but i still was not convinced there
wasn't something at fault with the PMH2000's i was getting.
In Behringers defense i have to say that we still have not determined
what took out 2 PMH2000's and 1 of the E1520 speakers. It could very
well have been 2 bad sets of cheap 16 ga. speakon cables i got from MF.
I asked if they were willing to upgrade the PMH2000 to a separate mixer
and amp.
Specifically the UB1222FX-PRO Mixer and EP1500 Power AMP.
Behringer replied they didnt have any of the UB1222FX-Pro's in stock
but would agree to sending me the new Xenyx 1222FX mixer and the EP1500
at no charge.
I have never had a company stand behind their equipment like this ever.
While im still a little concerned about a possible QC and or quality
issue due to the failures with the other equipment, i was reassured by
Behirnger that they would stand by what ever equipment of theirs i
chose to go with.
I spoke to MF's customer support and informed them of what had happened
and that i would returning the speakers and PMH2000 directly to
Behringer. This pretty much relieved them of any future responsibility
of the Behringer equipment.
I asked them if they would be willing to exchange the Speakon cables
for a premium cable.
They agreed to sending me a set of the Monster SP1000 12 ga. speakon
cables and a set of Hosa XLR 5' cables for connecting the amp to the
mixer.
I must have the luck of the Irish (or a very persuading way about me)
but MF agreed to the exchange at no charge.
Just got the cables today after a 2 week delay and over a week of the
other equipment sitting in my kitchen looking pretty.
Hooked it all up this afternoon and it took everything i threw at it,
XM radio, MP3 player, Laptop and im more than impressed with the
features and sound.
I forgot to add that after someone from this newsgroup and a freind had
suggested to me to go with the EP2500, i emailed Behringer and asked if
i could pay the difference and get the EP2500 instead.
I was told they had none in their warehouse at that i would have to
wait up to a month for it to come in. I decided to let things stand
with the EP1500 and be happy with that.
When the Amp and mixer showed up on my doorstop (2 days from left to
right coast) my jaw dropped when i saw they had shipped the EP2500!
Holy crap i need to go play the lottery!
Its been 2 months of hell with shipping things back and forth, along
with all the phone calls and emails but i think i finally have myself a
system certainly well worth the original $679 spent.
Id like to thank Jim and his tech support team for what i hope will
continue to be a great resolution to this problem.
Dont think i can say enough about how they and Musicians Friend stepped
up to the plate and went above and beyond what most other manufacturers
and retailers would ever consider.
George Gleason
Thank you for the update
I support behringer, because they support me(and I am not a dealer of
thiers)
I would not put my reputation on the line for anything less
george
>
Phildo
> Dont think i can say enough about how they and Musicians Friend stepped
> up to the plate and went above and beyond what most other manufacturers
> and retailers would ever consider.
Wonder if you would get customer service like that from other companies,
studiomaster for example?
Phildo