Austrailian Monitor?
BOB URZ
commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
I was looking at some of their AMIS series amps for a 24 volt
dc powered application.
BOB
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David Duffy
> Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
> commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
>
> I was looking at some of their AMIS series amps for a 24 volt
> dc powered application.
Generally well made (in India now) and priced ok.
Schematics and support are available if you ever need them.
David...
Phil Allison
"BOB URZ" <so...@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
news:3EA9C8C3...@inetnebr.com...
> Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
> commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
** The brand has changed owners recently. It *was* a small Sydney based
maker of high quality PA amplifiers using Hitachi and later Semelab lateral
mosfets.
Now the name is owned by Audio Telex who were making some really
crappy line voltage amps ( with 24 volt supply capability ) and AFAIK still
are - now badged AM.
................ Phil
BOB URZ
Phil Allison wrote:
I was looking at a AMIS1202P and running it on 24 volts.
SO your saying this amp (or series) is marginal in your
opinion? Any particular technical defects or problems your
aware of?
Phil Allison
>
>
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > "BOB URZ" <so...@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3EA9C8C3...@inetnebr.com...
> >
> > > Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
> > > commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
> >
> > ** The brand has changed owners recently. It *was* a small Sydney
based
> > maker of high quality PA amplifiers using Hitachi and later Semelab
lateral
> > mosfets.
> >
> > Now the name is owned by Audio Telex who were making some really
> > crappy line voltage amps ( with 24 volt supply capability ) and AFAIK
still
> > are - now badged AM.
> >
> > ................ Phil
>
> I was looking at a AMIS1202P and running it on 24 volts.
> SO your saying this amp (or series) is marginal in your
> opinion?
** Where did I say anything about it ???
I responded to your first question.
Any particular technical defects or problems your
> aware of?
** Guaranteed to be some.
................ Phil
Michael Gaster
"Phil Allison" <phila...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:3ea9b602$0$623$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> > I was looking at a AMIS1202P and running it on 24 volts.
> > SO your saying this amp (or series) is marginal in your
> > opinion?
>
>
> ** Where did I say anything about it ???
>
> I responded to your first question.
>
>
> Any particular technical defects or problems your
> > aware of?
>
>
> ** Guaranteed to be some.
>
>
>
> ................ Phil
>
Phil I think that was a segue (sp?) (based on your comments on their 24v
stuff in general) to ask what you knew about that particular
amplifier/wondered if that fit in to the same line?
-or at least that is what I got out of it... nothing confrontational in
other words.
Michael
BOB URZ
Michael Gaster wrote:
I am not trying to stir the pot on this one. I have a application
i am working on for a portable system off of DC power.
The TOA's i used before (CA series) worked fine, but were
only 60 watts mono max and not quite set up like i wanted them
to be. Toa does a 500 series that will 24 volt, buts its still not quite
what i am looking for.
I just got the lit in the mail on the Australian Monitors and was not
familiar with them at all. The stuff looked like it had possibilities,
but its always wise to get opinions on stuff your not familiar with.
Some of the 24 volt dual power stuff i looked at in the past used
the 24 volts as more of a back up scenario and were not meant
to be continuously run off of it. Basically, i am looking for
24 to 36 volt DC powered PA stuff.
David Duffy
>>>commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
>>** The brand has changed owners recently. It *was* a small Sydney based
>>maker of high quality PA amplifiers using Hitachi and later Semelab lateral
>>mosfets.
>>
>> Now the name is owned by Audio Telex who were making some really
>>crappy line voltage amps ( with 24 volt supply capability ) and AFAIK still
>>are - now badged AM.
> I was looking at a AMIS1202P and running it on 24 volts.
> SO your saying this amp (or series) is marginal in your
> opinion? Any particular technical defects or problems your
> aware of?
Hi Bob,
I'm not aware of any serious problems with the AMIS PA amplifiers.
Like a lot of other brands they can killed by overloading them.
TOA brand amplifiers are more likely to survive a serious beating.
(Only the higher end models though) The AMIS ones I've had come in
for repair have almost always had nasty things done to them. :-)
David...
Phil Allison
"Michael Gaster" <Mga...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:JKiqa.342$C42...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
** Bull - it was a hostile and smartarse remark.
................ Phil
BOB URZ
David Duffy wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bob,
> I'm not aware of any serious problems with the AMIS PA amplifiers.
> Like a lot of other brands they can killed by overloading them.
> TOA brand amplifiers are more likely to survive a serious beating.
> (Only the higher end models though) The AMIS ones I've had come in
> for repair have almost always had nasty things done to them. :-)
> David...
Just curious, how do they get 120 watts our of 24 volts DC?
Step up output transformers?
Switching power supplies?
Do the manuals say anything about 24 volt continuous use?
The online information is sparse about DC powering or
DC amperage draw.
I wish Toa made a better series than the CA or 500 that would
battery power. I think they do, but its not imported into the U.S.
for some reason. This application is a auctioneers system mounted
on a golf type utility cart. The current model has 4 grundorf 801's on them.
That's a compact 8x2 trap on a pole. I am powering two of them
off of a CA series 60 watt amp. Two CA-600's total.
The system works, and has been fine. I just don't like the way i
had to plumb it all together. They are building up some
new carts and want a little more balls. I figured on two 120 watt
amps. Two 8 ohm speakers in parallel on each amp (4 ohms).
Voice only, no music. (but auctioneers can get pretty aggressive)
I have been the route of high powered car amps and have crashed
and burned on a previous cart, so i don't want to go that route again.
I have also had a problem with the telex wireless crapping out due
to voltage starvation of the regulators, but have a work around for
that issue.
David Duffy
The OP asked about AMIS, you said they had problems, he asked if
the one he was looking at was included in that group and then you
bit his head off! Geeze, you need to cut down on the coffee. :-)
David...
David Duffy
>>I'm not aware of any serious problems with the AMIS PA amplifiers.
>>Like a lot of other brands they can killed by overloading them.
>>TOA brand amplifiers are more likely to survive a serious beating.
>>(Only the higher end models though) The AMIS ones I've had come in
>>for repair have almost always had nasty things done to them. :-)
>>David...
Bob:
> Just curious, how do they get 120 watts our of 24 volts DC?
> Step up output transformers?
> Switching power supplies?
They use output transformers. You have to when you want to get
a half decent output wattage from 12V or 24V single supply.
> Do the manuals say anything about 24 volt continuous use?
> The online information is sparse about DC powering or
> DC amperage draw.
All but the oldest Audio Telex/AMIS models should be fine on 24V.
Beware though, usually the internal rail is higher when on mains
supply. You may not get the full output wattage when on DC. A lot
of amplifiers are like this. (TOA included)
> I wish Toa made a better series than the CA or 500 that would
> battery power. I think they do, but its not imported into the U.S.
> for some reason. This application is a auctioneers system mounted
> on a golf type utility cart. The current model has 4 grundorf 801's on them.
> That's a compact 8x2 trap on a pole. I am powering two of them
> off of a CA series 60 watt amp. Two CA-600's total.
> The system works, and has been fine. I just don't like the way i
> had to plumb it all together. They are building up some
> new carts and want a little more balls. I figured on two 120 watt
> amps. Two 8 ohm speakers in parallel on each amp (4 ohms).
> Voice only, no music. (but auctioneers can get pretty aggressive)
I don't have a catalogue handy but IIRC TOA's VP series operates from
24V and have higher wattage outputs. Their web site should show them.
They used to (still do?) get specified for fire audio systems a lot.
David...
Michael Gaster
> "Michael Gaster" <Mga...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:JKiqa.342$C42...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> >
> > stuff in general) to ask what you knew about that particular
> > amplifier/wondered if that fit in to the same line?
> >
> > -or at least that is what I got out of it... nothing confrontational in
> > other words.
>
>
>
> ** Bull - it was a hostile and smartarse remark.
>
>
>
> ................ Phil
>
this was the making for another shit slinging match. I will push to say that
Bob was not intentionally being provocative... granted the two of you *do*
have a history together (like phildo and my self- but at the same time
drastically different...phildo and I can actually talk in agreement
technically and share humor from time to time) but having actually met Bob
he is a pretty easy going guy who enjoys a beer like the rest of us, and he
doesn't come off as a guy who is always looking for a fight...
what I am saying is: try not (and same to you Bob) to jump to think that any
reply/statement form the other is automatically another attempted attack on
you.
...so what about the amplifier that Bob had asked you about??? does it fit
the profile of the (potentially) problematic ones that you know? is it a
decent build?
Michael
Phil Allison
"David Duffy" <da...@audiovisualdevices.com.au> wrote in message
news:3ea9...@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> The OP asked about AMIS, you said they had problems,
** WRONG on both counts.
This is the post:
> > Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
> > commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments
** No mention of AMIS - see !!!!!
he asked if
> the one he was looking at was included in that group and then you
> bit his head off! Geeze, you need to cut down on the coffee. :-)
> David...
** Go learn to read.
............... Phil
Matt Stoody
> Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
> commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
Was a manufacturer of fine, fine, mos-fet amps in the old days. Have no
personal experience with the commercial sound line which as someone said
is now made in India.
retired guy
>
> I have been the route of high powered car amps and have crashed
> and burned on a previous cart, so i don't want to go that route again.
> I have also had a problem with the telex wireless crapping out due
> to voltage starvation of the regulators, but have a work around for
> that issue.
>
> BOB
>
car stereo amps... anyway Altec made some really nice industrial amps (rack
mount) that can run from 24v since a lot were used in drive-in movies that
ran 24v as backup.
The 1594C is a nice looking amp, virtually indestructible if you have a lick
of common sense, easy to fix if they do blow- and 100 REAL watts rms.
They can be picked up for around $50 in pretty good condition. Check on
Ebay. 1594B is similar.
Downside? Big by today's standards (3 RU) and about 30 pounds or so.
Transformer coupled out so full power at any load.
I think I can email you a spec sheet if you want one. There's also an Altec
user's board and some of the old techs post there. They are really good
about answering questions if you have any problems.
Anyway- if this is useless just ignore it if you need anymore info let me
know. Mike
The box said "Requires Windows 2000 or better"...
so I bought a Macintosh
Phil Allison
>
> > "Michael Gaster" <Mga...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> > news:JKiqa.342$C42...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil I think that was a segue (sp?) (based on your comments on their
24v
> > > stuff in general) to ask what you knew about that particular
> > > amplifier/wondered if that fit in to the same line?
> > >
> > > -or at least that is what I got out of it... nothing confrontational
in
> > > other words.
> >
> >
> >
> > ** Bull - it was a hostile and smartarse remark.
> >
> >
> >
> > ................ Phil
> >
> not to appoint my self as a mediator or what ever...
** Funny how much it looks like you are doing JUST that.
> ...so what about the amplifier that Bob had asked you about???
** He posted:
Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
** I answered that question alone with some significant background info.
does it fit
> the profile of the (potentially) problematic ones that you know? is it a
> decent build?
** What ever is making you ( or Bob) assume I have ever seen an AMIS 1202
?
Do you think I wander around to every dealer in the world asking then
to pull the lids off every new model for me to take a peek ?? Then beg to
take one back to my workshop for exhaustive tests ?
................ Phil
Phil Allison
> >
> not to appoint my self as a mediator or what ever...
** Funny how much it looks like you are doing JUST that.
> ...so what about the amplifier that Bob had asked you about???
** He posted:
Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
** I answered that question only with some significant background info.
does it fit
> the profile of the (potentially) problematic ones that you know? is it a
> decent build?
Phil Allison
> >
> not to appoint my self as a mediator or what ever...
** Funny how much it looks like you are doing JUST that.
> ...so what about the amplifier that Bob had asked you about???
** He posted:
Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
** I answered that question only with some significant background info.
does it fit
> the profile of the (potentially) problematic ones that you know? is it a
> decent build?
David Duffy
> "David Duffy" <da...@audiovisualdevices.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3ea9...@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>
>
>
>>The OP asked about AMIS, you said they had problems,
>
>
> ** WRONG on both counts.
I think you should read the original post again.
> This is the post:
>
>
>>>Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
>>>commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments
>
> ** No mention of AMIS - see !!!!!
Actually he wrote MORE than YOU quoted:
"I was looking at some of their AMIS series amps for a 24 volt
dc powered application."
Bob asked about AMIS and your comments implied AMIS. Simple as that.
>>he asked if
>>the one he was looking at was included in that group and then you
>>bit his head off! Geeze, you need to cut down on the coffee. :-)
>>David...
>
>
>
> ** Go learn to read.
Love you too Phil! I can see why you're notorious on this NG. :-)
The guys on R.A.T.S would find all of this so amusing - you're so
much like one of the regulars on there.
David...
BOB URZ
retired guy wrote:
I think we all have green machine stories. This stuff needs to
be new. I just have not selected the components yet for
this upgrade. Still looking for what's out there.
If all else fails, i may go to a ac power inverter with AC
powered amps.
Phil Allison
>
> Bob asked about AMIS and your comments implied AMIS. Simple as that.
** Utter bullshit - I responed to the first part of the post ONLY
which was NOT about AMIS.
Do you not comprehend proper posting style ??
............. Phil
Matt Stoody
>
> The guys on R.A.T.S would find all of this so amusing - you're so
> much like one of the regulars on there.
>
Yes, another one in his own little world. He's the spittin' image isn't
he? ...with the emphasis on spittin'.
David Duffy
Hi Matt,
Scary eh? One is FW and the other is a FW!
Black = White. Yes = No. It all sounds so familiar.
Come on Phil, your real name is Frank isn't it!!
Take that mask off, oh no, it's "Old Man Winters"!
Sorry, couldn't resist the Scooby Doo piss-take. :-)
Some people are just destined to die old and bitter.
At first they annoyed me, now I just think it's funny.
David...
DaveD
>
> Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
> commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
>
> I was looking at some of their AMIS series amps for a 24 volt
> dc powered application.
>
> BOB
>
First up, I enjoy dealer status with A-T / AM. Friendly, helpful guys
who enjoy a beer or three. Have a look here :-
http://www.audiotelex.com.au/
http://www.australianmonitor.com/home.html
The AMIS range is fairly new, based on their older series of install
amps. Their gear is (mainly) manufactured in India now and IMO better
build quality than it was. I have had no more problems with their gear
than I have had with Toa, Inkel etc.
Later Bob wrote-
> I wish Toa made a better series than the CA or 500 that would
> battery power. I think they do, but its not imported into the U.S.
> for some reason. This application is a auctioneers system mounted
> on a golf type utility cart. The current model has 4 grundorf 801's on them.
> That's a compact 8x2 trap on a pole. I am powering two of them
> off of a CA series 60 watt amp. Two CA-600's total.
> The system works, and has been fine. I just don't like the way i
> had to plumb it all together. They are building up some
> new carts and want a little more balls. I figured on two 120 watt
> amps. Two 8 ohm speakers in parallel on each amp (4 ohms).
> Voice only, no music. (but auctioneers can get pretty aggressive)
I use several of their (A-T) IC30 amps in a similar set up to what you
are EXCEPT that I use re-entrant horns that are somewhat more efficient.
I use 100v line.
>
> I have been the route of high powered car amps and have crashed
> and burned on a previous cart, so i don't want to go that route again.
I have also been down the 'car audio' road with similar disastrous
results
> I have also had a problem with the telex wireless crapping out due
> to voltage starvation of the regulators, but have a work around for
> that issue.
All the wireless mic rx that I use are rated 12 - 15 volt input. Where I
have to run off 24 volt, I use a 24v amp with a 12 or 15 volt regulator
built in for the mic rx.
One thing to check on with any dual supply amp is the power switching
arrangement.
Where the amp is designed for continuous operation with battery back-up
the front panel on-off switch may not actually turn the low voltage
supply off! This can usually be 'worked around' by fitting a DP switch
(and relay).
BTW the AMIS 1202 is LINE in! IIRC A-T have / had a 1u pre amp that was
dual supply.
Email me if you have any queries
HTH
TinHornDave
Matt Stoody
> Their gear is (mainly) manufactured in India now and IMO better
> build quality than it was.
Wow, that's saying an awful lot. The original AM Series stuff was some
of the most beautifully built gear of it's type, anywhere. Incredibily
robust. Incredibily hard to get into because of it too.
Michael Gaster
>
> "Michael Gaster" <Mga...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:wskqa.387$Lo3...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>
> > >
> > not to appoint my self as a mediator or what ever...
>
>
> ** Funny how much it looks like you are doing JUST that.
just to clarify... I was admitting to doing that by saying that... so you
didnt really call me on anything its all good man...
>
>
> > ...so what about the amplifier that Bob had asked you about???
>
>
> ** He posted:
>
> Has anyone had any experience with Australian Monitor
> commercial sound gear? Good/Bad, comments?
>
>
> ** I answered that question only with some significant background
info.
oh yeah but you left it sort of open ended as to not saying which particular
amps it was and he was simply asking if a certain model was of the breed you
knew of...
>
>
>
> does it fit
> > the profile of the (potentially) problematic ones that you know? is it a
> > decent build?
>
>
> ** What ever is making you ( or Bob) assume I have ever seen an AMIS
1202
were not assmuing (or at least I am not) that you have seen this 1202 model,
but wanting to clarify if it was included with the ones you knew of, as you
said:
" Now the name is owned by Audio Telex who were making some really
crappy line voltage amps ( with 24 volt supply capability ) and AFAIK still
are - now badged AM."
and that is kind of a general statement, and me not knowing anything about
this company, and knowing that 24v amps are not as everyday amplifiers it is
good to know if or if not this particular amp fits into your above statment.
>
> Do you think I wander around to every dealer in the world asking
then
> to pull the lids off every new model for me to take a peek ??
uhhh.... no. but you do seem to know a fair amount about various products.
so why assume a limitation on what you know ( my glass half full approach)?
Then beg to
> take one back to my workshop for exhaustive tests ?
wel if you are having a slow week! :-)
> ................ Phil
>
Michael
Bruce L. Bergman
URZ <so...@inetnebr.com> wrote:
>retired guy wrote:
>> BOB URZ <so...@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
>> news:3EA9E68C...@inetnebr.com...
>> > I have been the route of high powered car amps and have crashed
>> > and burned on a previous cart, so i don't want to go that route again.
>> > I have also had a problem with the telex wireless crapping out due
>> > to voltage starvation of the regulators, but have a work around for
>> > that issue.
>> >
>> Hi Bob- I may be way off base here but if you are desperate enough to try
>> car stereo amps... anyway Altec made some really nice industrial amps (rack
>> mount) that can run from 24v since a lot were used in drive-in movies that
>> ran 24v as backup.
>>
>> The 1594C is a nice looking amp, virtually indestructible if you have a lick
>> of common sense, easy to fix if they do blow- and 100 REAL watts rms.
>> They can be picked up for around $50 in pretty good condition. Check on
>> Ebay. 1594B is similar.
>>
>> Downside? Big by today's standards (3 RU) and about 30 pounds or so.
>> Transformer coupled out so full power at any load.
>> I think I can email you a spec sheet if you want one. There's also an Altec
>> user's board and some of the old techs post there. They are really good
>> about answering questions if you have any problems.
>> Anyway- if this is useless just ignore it if you need anymore info let me
>> know. Mike
>
>I think we all have green machine stories. This stuff needs to
>be new. I just have not selected the components yet for
>this upgrade. Still looking for what's out there.
>If all else fails, i may go to a ac power inverter with AC
>powered amps.
Running an inverter doesn't make sense for a portable system, or one
running on a possibly flaky power system like a generator - why
involve an inverter as another failure point, and make more AC Hum
that will have to be dealt with in the system?
If they can't get full amplifier rail voltage at 24V for PA audio
use, you could use a 36V or 48V battery string, rectifier/chargers are
readily available for both voltages and with 12V multiples it's as
easy as adding another deep-cycle or big gel-cell battery in the
string.
(Other than telco switcrooms, nobody wants to deal with the hazards
and special maintenance needs of big 2V lead-calcium wet tank cells.)
I realize that the main uses are for high-rise fire evacuation
annunciator systems, which is why they settled on the same 24V line as
the other alarm equipment.
--<< Bruce >>--
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BOB URZ
"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote:
Maybe i was not totally clear on the finally application.
I have done these systems for auctioneers for years.
They mount them on battery golf cart type vehicles and
drive around and sell 10 Million of trucks at a pop. The
last few we have been powering off the cart batteries.
Its a stack of industrial high amp 6 volters in series for
up to 36 volts. So, 12, 24, 36 volts DC are readily
available voltages i can get native from the carts.
The last one i tapped two batteries and got 12 volts
to power the Toa's. It to my advantage to use the
highest voltage possible to get the most out of the
battery stack and not asymmetrically discharge it.
I have not found 36 volt DC amplifiers, but there
are some 24 volt models out there. Thats Why i
posted the original question.
If i have to go inverter, trip lite makes a nice model APS 3636 VR
which would run the full battery stack and provide PWM sine
wave output. I would rather not go this route because of cost and space
considerations, buts its a possibility. I can get any kind
of amp configuration i want in 120 volts. I just cannot do that
in 12, 24, or 36 volts DC. On of my suppliers (TOA) does seem
to make some that might work in there VP series, but it it not
imported into the US for some reason. It is listed on their UK
and German web sites though. I could use two of there 500
series 120 watt units, but the configuration is not really what i
wanted to do.
Phil Allison
>
> "Phil Allison" <phila...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:3ea9ecbe$0$16258$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> >
> info.
>
> oh yeah but you left it sort of open ended as to not saying which
particular
> amps it was and he was simply asking if a certain model was of the breed
you
> knew of...
** That is your opinion.
> >
> > ** What ever is making you ( or Bob) assume I have ever seen an AMIS
> 1202
>
> were not assmuing (or at least I am not) that you have seen this 1202
model,
> but wanting to clarify if it was included with the ones you knew of, as
you
> said:
>
> " Now the name is owned by Audio Telex who were making some really
> crappy line voltage amps ( with 24 volt supply capability ) and AFAIK
still
> are - now badged AM."
>
> and that is kind of a general statement, and me not knowing anything about
> this company, and knowing that 24v amps are not as everyday amplifiers it
is
> good to know if or if not this particular amp fits into your above
statment.
** For me to know if it is a poor a design (as certain others were) I
would gave to have seen one on my workbench.
> > Do you think I wander around to every dealer in the world asking
> then> > to pull the lids off every new model for me to take a peek ??
>
> uhhh.... no.
** But that IS what anyone would have to do.
but you do seem to know a fair amount about various products.
> so why assume a limitation on what you know ( my glass half full
approach)?
** I make comments on what I have seen and tested only. Lots of new
models appear all the time - not until one of my customers owns one and
needs it serviced do I get to see it.
............ Phil
Phil Allison
"Matt Stoody" <mst...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3eaac...@news1.prserv.net...
> DaveD wrote:
> > Their gear is (mainly) manufactured in India now and IMO better
> > build quality than it was.
>
> Wow, that's saying an awful lot.
** You misread the post Stoolie - eyesight failing you ??
The original AM Series stuff was some
> of the most beautifully built gear of it's type, anywhere.
** Shame to post referred to old Audio Telex line amp designs.
> Incredibily robust. Incredibily hard to get into because of it too.
** Robustness and accessability are not related. The old AMs were
nightmares to get apart and servidce due to bad design.
Then how would an ignorant fade jerk know anything about that ??
..................... Phil
Matt Stoody
>
>
>
> ** Robustness and accessability are not related. The old AMs were
> nightmares to get apart and servidce due to bad design.
>
> Then how would an ignorant fade jerk know anything about that ??
>
>
> ..................... Phil
How many'd you ever see on your bench Phil? Doubt many of your weekend
warriors could afford them. The old AM's had beautiful extruded
aluminum chassis that were a pain in the ass to get into if you had to
service them. In some (read: professional touring) circles, "built like
a tank" was an asset. What you needed to do was to keep them away from
fey twits with EE's who were too stupid to know shit when they were
covered in it, and put them in hands of a r&r boffin who, while he was
cursing the physical design, was blowing his mind on the Sprague
components, brilliant pc layouts, intelligent cooling architecture and
absolutely superior sound. Undoubtedly these attributes were lost on
you and the other bottom feeders you call(ed) your clientele. Down in
flames again, you putz.
Phil Allison
> Phil Allison wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ** Robustness and accessability are not related. The old AMs were
> > nightmares to get apart and servidce due to bad design.
> >
> > Then how would an ignorant fade jerk know anything about that
??
> >
> >
> > ..................... Phil
>
> How many'd you ever see on your bench Phil?
** Quite a few and only one is needed to see the problems.
> Doubt many of your weekend warriors could afford them.
** Stoolie - are you a born shit or did you learn the art ??
The old AM's had beautiful extruded
> aluminum chassis that were a pain in the ass to get into if you had to
> service them.
** So - a poor design by definition.
In some (read: professional touring) circles, "built like
> a tank" was an asset.
** Other easily accessed amps were just as strong.
One drop of an AM..... and the extrusions locked together NEVER to
come apart again.
That is stupid design.
What you needed to do was to keep them away from
> fey twits with EE's who were too stupid to know shit when they were
> covered in it, and put them in hands of a r&r boffin who, while he was
> cursing the physical design, was blowing his mind on the Sprague
> components, brilliant pc layouts, intelligent cooling architecture and
> absolutely superior sound.
** What amp is that ? AM ?? No way.
Undoubtedly these attributes were lost on
> you and the other bottom feeders you call(ed) your clientele. Down in
> flames again, you putz.
** You are a smug, scug bag Canadian cowardly asshole - Stoolie.
Have a cough today ?
.................. Phil
Matt Stoody
> "Matt Stoody" <mst...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3eab3...@news1.prserv.net...
>
>>components, brilliant pc layouts, intelligent cooling architecture and
>>absolutely superior sound.
>
>
>
> ** What amp is that ? AM ?? No way.
AM1000, AM1200, and the big one -- I forget the number (AM1600?). Doubt
a pudknocker like you could lift it onto the bench. Some of the later K
Series (2RU) was cool as well.
Like I said: What you needed to do was to keep them away from
fey twits with EE's who were too stupid to know shit when they were
covered in it. Ears helped too.
Stee-rike two!
Phil Allison
" brilliant pc layouts, intelligent cooling architecture and
> >>absolutely superior sound. "
** This is pure bullshit marketing hype.
Does Stoolie own these ?
The "designer" of AM.... amps is a guy named Stuart Maclean -
strangely enough a **Canadian** emmigrant to Australia. I know him
personally.
He started out as a factory hand at a place called "Overeem" run by a
strange dude called Hans Overeem assembling clones of other people's amp
designs - tube and transistor. They even built a clone of the Bose 802 !!
Then he teamed up with one of the biggest shonks out ( with the funds)
and started up Australian Monitor to make the ultimate wank mosfet PA amp -
which he did. That was the AM 1600.
The circuitry and ideas were copied from Perreaux amps with a few tiny
changes ( which itself derives from the original Hitachi mosfet data sheet )
A fortune was spent on elaborate interlocking extrusions that formed
the chassis and heatsinks. These were a pig to assemble and disassemble -
and became impossible of the amp suffered a fall and the metal slightly
twisted.
The fans were always inadequate in terms of air flow and very prone to
clogging with dust - it was not so simple to clean them either. Replacing a
blown mosfet was a turned into major undertaking due to the heatsink design.
The PCBs used to *fall* out of the early ones so later ones had them held in
with cable ties !!!
The amps used way oversized toroidal transformers ( Stuart could
never figure out how transformers really worked) which had NO fan cooling.
This made the designs super heavy.
The main competitor at that time was Perreaux from New Zealand) which
suffered NONE of the problems the AMs.... did - and were lighter and
cheaper to boot.
Info that came out from the funds man was that AM never made one
dollar of profit for anyone involved.
>
> Like I said: What you needed to do was to keep them away from
> fey twits with EE's who were too stupid to know shit when they were
> covered in it. Ears helped too.
** Unfortunately a number of complete fuckwits like Stoolie bought them.
............ Phil
Matt Stoody
> "Matt Stoody" <mst...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3eab4...@news1.prserv.net...
>
> " brilliant pc layouts, intelligent cooling architecture and
>
>>>>absolutely superior sound. "
>
>
>
> ** This is pure bullshit marketing hype.
No, real world experience. Something you wouldn't know abt.
>
> Does Stoolie own these ?
One, a K7 ProPhile. It drives the kitchen speakers.
>
>
> The "designer" of AM.... amps is a guy named Stuart Maclean -
> strangely enough a **Canadian** emmigrant to Australia. I know him
> personally.
>
Personally? Wow. Me too. Bet he thinks you're a putz too.
> He started out as a factory hand at a place called "Overeem" run by a
> strange dude called Hans Overeem assembling clones of other people's amp
> designs - tube and transistor. They even built a clone of the Bose 802 !!
>
> Then he teamed up with one of the biggest shonks out ( with the funds)
> and started up Australian Monitor to make the ultimate wank mosfet PA amp -
> which he did. That was the AM 1600.
You got that right. The ultimate mosfet pa wank. You say it like
that's was a bad thing (for the time).
>
> The circuitry and ideas were copied from Perreaux amps with a few tiny
> changes ( which itself derives from the original Hitachi mosfet data sheet )
>
> A fortune was spent on elaborate interlocking extrusions that formed
> the chassis and heatsinks. These were a pig to assemble and disassemble -
> and became impossible of the amp suffered a fall and the metal slightly
> twisted.
Never had the problem on, I don't know, 300-400 units. Maybe you were
just too weak.
>
> The fans were always inadequate in terms of air flow and very prone to
> clogging with dust - it was not so simple to clean them either.
I can see how you would've been stymied by it.
Replacing a
> blown mosfet was a turned into major undertaking due to the heatsink design.
> The PCBs used to *fall* out of the early ones so later ones had them held in
> with cable ties !!!
>
> The amps used way oversized toroidal transformers ( Stuart could
> never figure out how transformers really worked) which had NO fan cooling.
> This made the designs super heavy.
Massive torriodal transformers. Only an EE would think that's bad in a
power amp.
>
> The main competitor at that time was Perreaux from New Zealand)
Maybe in the outback. Once you got off the sheep station, or over here
in the bigs, it competed favourably with anything you could name.
which
> suffered NONE of the problems the AMs.... did - and were lighter and
> cheaper to boot.
>
> Info that came out from the funds man was that AM never made one
> dollar of profit for anyone involved.
Don't know Hymie very well at all, do you?
>
>
>
> ** Unfortunately a number of complete fuckwits like Stoolie bought them.
Wrong again. Sold 'em, very well, to major facilities and projects
where reliability and sonic performance were paramount. But I do agree
with you in that they were not an amp for use, or to have serviced by,
hacks. Can you see where I'm going here? Take your time, it'll come to
you.
Phil Allison
> Phil Allison wrote:
> > "Matt Stoody" <mst...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:3eab4...@news1.prserv.net...
> >
> > " brilliant pc layouts, intelligent cooling architecture and
> >
> >>>>absolutely superior sound. "
> >
> >
> > > > ** This is pure bullshit marketing hype.
>
> No, real world experience. Something you wouldn't know abt.
** Stoolie has lots of experience - but at nothing that matters.
> > The "designer" of AM.... amps is a guy named Stuart Maclean -
> > strangely enough a **Canadian** emmigrant to Australia. I know him
> > personally.
> >
> Personally? Wow. Me too. Bet he thinks you're a putz too.
** So you are mates then ?
>
> > He started out as a factory hand at a place called "Overeem" run
by a
> > strange dude called Hans Overeem assembling clones of other people's amp
> > designs - tube and transistor. They even built a clone of the Bose 802
!!
> >
> > Then he teamed up with one of the biggest shonks out ( with the
funds)
> > and started up Australian Monitor to make the ultimate wank mosfet PA
amp -
> > which he did. That was the AM 1600.
>
> You got that right. The ultimate mosfet pa wank. You say it like
> that's was a bad thing (for the time).
** Stoolie does SO much wanking he thinks it is a good thing - how
funny.
> > The circuitry and ideas were copied from Perreaux amps with a few
tiny
> > changes ( which itself derives from the original Hitachi mosfet data
sheet )
> >
> > A fortune was spent on elaborate interlocking extrusions that
formed
> > the chassis and heatsinks. These were a pig to assemble and
disassemble -
> > and became impossible of the amp suffered a fall and the metal slightly
> > twisted.
>
> Never had the problem on, I don't know, 300-400 units. Maybe you were
> just too weak.
** Hang on - a second ago Stoolie said he owned only one ???
He says any lie he likes anyway.
>
> > The fans were always inadequate in terms of air flow and very
prone to
> > clogging with dust - it was not so simple to clean them either.
>
> I can see how you would've been stymied by it.
** Stoolie is such a prick.
>
> Replacing a
> > blown mosfet was a turned into major undertaking due to the heatsink
design.
> > The PCBs used to *fall* out of the early ones so later ones had them
held in
> > with cable ties !!!
> >
> > The amps used way oversized toroidal transformers ( Stuart could
> > never figure out how transformers really worked) which had NO fan
cooling.
> > This made the designs super heavy.
>
> Massive torriodal transformers. Only an EE would think that's bad in a
> power amp.
>
** Excess weight and cost are bad in any normal person's view - but
not Stoolie.
> > The main competitor at that time was Perreaux from New Zealand)
>
> Maybe in the outback. Once you got off the sheep station, or over here
> in the bigs, it competed favourably with anything you could name.
** Perreaux outsold AM many, many times over and was the better design.
> which
> > suffered NONE of the problems the AMs.... did - and were lighter and
> > cheaper to boot.
> >
> > Info that came out from the funds man was that AM never made one
> > dollar of profit for anyone involved.
>
> Don't know Hymie very well at all, do you?
** The "funds man" I referred to was named Julius.
> > ** Unfortunately a number of complete fuckwits like Stoolie bought
them.
>
> Wrong again. Sold 'em, very well, to major facilities and projects
> where reliability and sonic performance were paramount.
** So you sold them with the usual wank and bullshit attached ??
** Sooooo...... Stoolie is just another lying, Canadian amp dealer.
................ Phil
Matt Stoody
>>
> ** Stoolie has lots of experience - but at nothing that matters.
This from someone who is ashamed to divulge anything about himself. As
I've said many times before, anytime you can work up the cajones to
compare professional accomplishments -- publically, privately, you name
it -- let me know.
>
>>> The "designer" of AM.... amps is a guy named Stuart Maclean -
>>>strangely enough a **Canadian** emmigrant to Australia. I know him
>>>personally.
>>>
>>
started up Australian Monitor to make the ultimate wank mosfet PA
>
> amp - the AM 1600.
>>
>>You got that right. The ultimate mosfet pa wank. You say it like
>>that's was a bad thing (for the time).
>
>
>
> ** Stoolie does SO much wanking he thinks it is a good thing - how
> funny.
Under some circumstances over-engineering is a beautiful thang. It is
understandable this would confuse one who is himself so developmentally
*under-engineered*.
>>Never had the problem on, I don't know, 300-400 units. Maybe you were
>>just too weak.
>
>
> ** Hang on - a second ago Stoolie said he owned only one ???
>
> He says any lie he likes anyway.
Yes, own one personally because of my professional experiences with
them. One of which is that many years ago I had the pleasure of selling
a lot of AM's to places where a hack like you wouldn't be trusted to
assemble a mic cable without supervision.
>>> it was not so simple to clean them either.
>>
>>I can see how you would've been stymied by it.
>
> ** Stoolie is such a prick.
Ya' gotta have one to be one, thimbledick.
>>>
>>> The amps used way oversized toroidal transformers ( Stuart could
>>>never figure out how transformers really worked) which had NO fan
> cooling.
>
>>>This made the designs super heavy.
>
>
>>Massive torriodal transformers. Only an EE would think that's bad in a
>>power amp.
>
> ** Excess weight and cost are bad in any normal person's view - but
> not Stoolie.
It's clear the amp's merits (which offset weight and cost) were lost on
you; typical EE mindset with no practical experience. BTW, Stuart
brought an amp to market internationally, and saw it find a home in many
high end reinforcement and studio monitoring applications. What have
you done, besides fix powered mixers in the outback and earn an
international reputation as an ass on the net?
>>> The main competitor at that time was Perreaux from New Zealand)
>
>
>>Maybe in the outback. Once you got off the sheep station, or over here
>>in the bigs, it competed favourably with anything you could name.
>
> ** Perreaux outsold AM many, many times over
Not in sound reinforcement.
and was the better design.
Yes, and I'd be inclined to place SOME positive value on your assesment
if you knew your arse from your elbow anyplace other than the bench. Do
they ever let you speak to customers or just keep you down there
sniffing solder fumes?
>
> ** The "funds man" I referred to was named Julius.
Never heard of him. Dealt with the firm's key decision makers, not clerks.
>
>
>>> ** Unfortunately a number of complete fuckwits like Stoolie bought
> them.
>
>
>>Wrong again. Sold 'em, very well, to major facilities and projects
>>where reliability and sonic performance were paramount.
>
> ** So you sold them with the usual wank and bullshit attached ??
Yeah, to places like here:
http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_facility_spotlight_dave/
8 large-format SSL rooms, SOTA monitors, all powered by Australian
Monitor. Definitely an audio enterprise where they bought hype.
> ** Sooooo...... Stoolie is just another lying, Canadian amp dealer.
Yes, and you're an industry leader, the envy of your class (1970!?) and
responsible for many engineering innovations. It is obvious you are
held in high regard, far and wide, for the quality and tone of the
information you impart so selflessly on this and other newsgroups. I'm
sure you sleep each night basking in the self-satisfied warmth of your
role as guardian of the one true EE ethic: everyone else is wrong.
Phil Allison
> Phil Allison wrote:
> >>
> > ** Stoolie has lots of experience - but at nothing that matters.
>
> This from someone who is ashamed to divulge anything about himself. As
> I've said many times before, anytime you can work up the cajones to
> compare professional accomplishments -- publically, privately, you name
> it -- let me know.
** Stoolie has no accomplishments - unless you think being an asshole
is an acccomplishemt.
> >
> > ** Stoolie does SO much wanking he thinks it is a good thing - how
> > funny.
>
> Under some circumstances over-engineering is a beautiful thang.
** Faaaaaaarrrrrrrttttttt.
>
>
> >>Never had the problem on, I don't know, 300-400 units. Maybe you were
> >>just too weak.
> >
> >
> > ** Hang on - a second ago Stoolie said he owned only one ???
> >
> > He says any lie he likes anyway.
>
> Yes, own one personally because of my professional experiences with
> them. One of which is that many years ago I had the pleasure of selling
> a lot of AM's to places where a hack like you wouldn't be trusted to
> assemble a mic cable without supervision.
** Stoolie is a vile pig.
> >>Massive torriodal transformers. Only an EE would think that's bad in a
> >>power amp.
> >
> > ** Excess weight and cost are bad in any normal person's view -
but
> > not Stoolie.
>
> It's clear the amp's merits (which offset weight and cost) were lost on
> you; typical EE mindset with no practical experience.
** What merits ? Your mindless marketing hype ?
Electronics is NOT your game - keep out imbecile.
BTW, Stuart
> brought an amp to market internationally, and saw it find a home in many
> high end reinforcement and studio monitoring applications.
** Shame is was a money loser and a poor design.
What have
> you done, besides fix powered mixers in the outback and earn an
> international reputation as an ass on the net?
** The ASS on the net is you Stoolie.
> >>> The main competitor at that time was Perreaux from New Zealand)
> >
> >
> >>Maybe in the outback. Once you got off the sheep station, or over here
> >>in the bigs, it competed favourably with anything you could name.
> >
> > ** Perreaux outsold AM many, many times over
>
> Not in sound reinforcement.
** Oh yes it did. AM was only a small player in Australia.
>
> and was the better design.
>
> Yes, and I'd be inclined to place SOME positive value on your assesment
> if you knew your arse from your elbow anyplace other than the bench.
** The bench is the place you learn about amp design - you fuckwit.
> >
> > ** The "funds man" I referred to was named Julius.
>
> Never heard of him. Dealt with the firm's key decision makers, not
clerks.
** Julius Grafton started and OWNED Australian Monitor.
**** Shows how much the stupid Stoolie knows about the firm and its
products.****
WHAT a JERK OFF.
> >
> > ** So you sold them with the usual wank and bullshit attached ??
>
> Yeah, to places like here:
> http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_facility_spotlight_dave/
> 8 large-format SSL rooms, SOTA monitors, all powered by Australian
> Monitor. Definitely an audio enterprise where they bought hype.
** That is EXACTLY where they buy hype and little else.
Stoolie is SUCH a fool he believes his OWN hype.
>
> > ** Sooooo...... Stoolie is just another lying, Canadian amp
dealer.
>
> Yes, and you're an industry leader, the envy of your class (1970!?) and
> responsible for many engineering innovations. It is obvious you are
> held in high regard, far and wide, for the quality and tone of the
> information you impart so selflessly on this and other newsgroups. I'm
> sure you sleep each night basking in the self-satisfied warmth of your
> role as guardian of the one true EE ethic: everyone else is wrong.
** Stoolie - YOU are wrong.
Wrong as wrong can be, plus an utter asshole.
............... Phil
Matt Stoody
>
> ** Stoolie has no accomplishments - unless you think being an asshole
> is an acccomplishemt.
I'll stack my accomplishements up against yours anytime. Care to
compare? Bet not.
> ** Faaaaaaarrrrrrrttttttt.
Brilliance. So much for higher education over there.
>>>>Never had the problem on, I don't know, 300-400 units. Maybe you were
>>>>just too weak.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Hang on - a second ago Stoolie said he owned only one ???
>>>
>>> He says any lie he likes anyway.
>>
>>Yes, own one personally because of my professional experiences with
>>them. One of which is that many years ago I had the pleasure of selling
>>a lot of AM's to places where a hack like you wouldn't be trusted to
>>assemble a mic cable without supervision.
>
>
>
> ** Stoolie is a vile pig.
Another witty retort from the "honours EE".
>>It's clear the amp's merits (which offset weight and cost) were lost on
>>you; typical EE mindset with no practical experience.
>
>
>
> ** What merits ?
Great sound, massive torriodal transformer.
> Electronics is NOT your game - keep out imbecile.
>
And live sound clearly ain't yours. What are you doing here?
> ** Shame is was a money loser and a poor design.
Wasn't a money loser for me, and that poor design went into a few places
where nothing mattered more than reliability and sonic integrity. BTW,
you might want to look up some reference for the phrase 'sonic
integrity', I'm sure you're unfamiliar with it.
> What have
>
>>you done, besides fix powered mixers in the outback and earn an
>>international reputation as an ass on the net?
>
>
>
> ** The ASS on the net is you Stoolie.
Yes, but what have you done besides the above? Ashamed to elaborate
obviously.
> ** AM was only a small player in Australia.
And an even smaller player outside Australia. Regardless, there were a
few pretty big p.a. rigs outside Oz using Ausmon. Never ever saw
anybody using Perreaux in SR.
>
> ** The bench is the place you learn about amp design - you fuckwit.
Yes but you've seemed to learn little else, obviously. For instance,
what to do with amplifiers when they're working -- besides dropping them.
>
> ** Julius Grafton started and OWNED Australian Monitor.
>
Maybe at one time, but he wasn't calling the shots during my time. BTW,
I'm sure Julius, Stuart et al were crushed by the scathing idictment of
their work I'm sure you shared with them, yes? Something about "those
that can, do. Those that can't...." fits here.
>
>
>>> ** So you sold them with the usual wank and bullshit attached ??
>>
>>Yeah, to places like here:
>>http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_facility_spotlight_dave/
>>8 large-format SSL rooms, SOTA monitors, all powered by Australian
>>Monitor. Definitely an audio enterprise where they bought hype.
>
>
>
> ** That is EXACTLY where they buy hype and little else.
Which is a perfect example of how little you know outside being a bench
tech for bottom feeders.
> I'm
>>sure you sleep each night basking in the self-satisfied warmth of your
>>role as guardian of the one true EE ethic: everyone else is wrong.
>
>
> ** Stoolie - YOU are wrong.
>
> Wrong as wrong can be, plus an utter asshole.
See? Too stupid to see the irony in your own words. Strike three,
you're out!
Phil Allison
> Phil Allison wrote:
> >
> > ** Stoolie has no accomplishments - unless you think being an
asshole
> > is an acccomplishemt.
>
> I'll stack my accomplishements up against yours anytime. Care to
> compare? Bet not.
** I do not care to let some ignorant asshole JUDGE my technical
knowledge and abilities.
You have made a MASSIVE MISJUDGEMENT already.
> >
> > ** Stoolie is a vile pig.
>
> Another witty retort from the "honours EE".
** "Stoolie is a vile pig" - sums it up nicely.
>
> >>It's clear the amp's merits (which offset weight and cost) were lost on
> >>you; typical EE mindset with no practical experience.
> >
> >
> > ** What merits ?
>
> Great sound, massive torriodal transformer.
** More Stoolie faaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttt posing as fact.
>
>
> > Electronics is NOT your game - keep out imbecile.
> >
>
> And live sound clearly ain't yours. What are you doing here?
** The electronics of live sound IS my business - this NG if full of
that.
What is NOT needed is fuckwits like you posing as experts and
attacking real ones.
>
> > ** Shame is was a money loser and a poor design.
>
> Wasn't a money loser for me,
** The aim of manufacturing is to make money.
A good design makes money for it maker.
But a fader jerk dealer would not get that.
and that poor design went into a few places
> where nothing mattered more than reliability and sonic integrity.
** More marketing hype.
BTW,
> you might want to look up some reference for the phrase 'sonic
> integrity', I'm sure you're unfamiliar with it.
** The phrase is pure marketing hype - and a load of bulshit - like you
Stoolie.
> > ** The ASS on the net is you Stoolie.
>
> Yes, but what have you done besides the above? Ashamed to elaborate
> obviously.
** Go ask your mate Stuart.
> > ** AM was only a small player in Australia.
>
> And an even smaller player outside Australia. Regardless, there were a
> few pretty big p.a. rigs outside Oz using Ausmon. Never ever saw
> anybody using Perreaux in SR.
** So what ? Do you live in Australia where these brands were sold
and used ????
>
> >
> > ** The bench is the place you learn about amp design - you fuckwit.
>
> Yes but you've seemed to learn little else, obviously.
** I know the whole story. One does not need to lug, operate or sell
the things to know *all* about them. That is your MASSIVE error.
For instance,
> what to do with amplifiers when they're working -- besides dropping them.
** Asinine question from an ASS.
>
> >
> > ** Julius Grafton started and OWNED Australian Monitor.
> >
>
> Maybe at one time, but he wasn't calling the shots during my time.
** So what ? You did not know a thing abiut the firm's background or
who started it.
Julius is on record as saying it was his biggest mistake and a big
money loser.
BTW,
> I'm sure Julius, Stuart et al were crushed by the scathing idictment of
> their work I'm sure you shared with them, yes? Something about "those
> that can, do. Those that can't...." fits here.
** Those that have no idea at all talk BULLSHIT - that is you
Stoolie.
> >
> >>> ** So you sold them with the usual wank and bullshit attached ??
> >>
> >>Yeah, to places like here:
> >>http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_facility_spotlight_dave/
> >>8 large-format SSL rooms, SOTA monitors, all powered by Australian
> >>Monitor. Definitely an audio enterprise where they bought hype.
> >
> >
> >
> > ** That is EXACTLY where they buy hype and little else.
>
> Which is a perfect example of how little you know outside being a bench
> tech for bottom feeders.
** It is a perfect example of the fact that Stoolie is mentally
defective.
> >
> >
> > ** Stoolie - YOU are wrong.
> >
> > Wrong as wrong can be, plus an utter asshole.
>
> See? Too stupid to see the irony in your own words. Strike three,
> you're out!
** There is no irony - just the truth about one POS that crawls
around Toronto.
............... Phil
Matt Stoody
>
> ** I do not care to let some ignorant asshole JUDGE my technical
> knowledge and abilities.
Oh no, I'm not looking to judge your knowledge or abilities, I'm pretty
clear their value -- given your incredible engineering chops and warm
personality, what have you *accomplished*?
> You have made a MASSIVE MISJUDGEMENT already.
Yes, thinking you could possibly contribute anything of value to an on
topic discussion that compensated for your lack of character.
> ** "Stoolie is a vile pig" - sums it up nicely.
Particularly handy when the ability to express yourself in a meaningful
way is absent. Quite an intellectual, aren't you? BTW, what's with the
asterix all the time? Do they help you keep your place?
>>>>It's clear the amp's merits (which offset weight and cost) were lost on
>>>>you; typical EE mindset with no practical experience.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** What merits ?
>>
>>Great sound, massive torriodal transformer.
>
>
>
> ** More Stoolie faaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttt posing as fact.
You're right. Seeing as it's obvious you use your ears for little more
than to give the coke bottles purchase, let's just go with "massive
torriodal transformer" as fact.
> ** The electronics of live sound IS my business - this NG if full of
> that.
This group is full of people who operate or aspire to operate
reinforcement systems. It ain't here for failed EE hacks to try and
work up a stiffie giving everybody hell for shit the hack doesn't
understand.
> What is NOT needed is fuckwits like you posing as experts and
> attacking real ones.
Typical of you to forget the origins of this exchange. I also notice
you're the only one calling yourself an expert. Tell us what you've
accomplished with your expertise.
>>> ** Shame is was a money loser and a poor design.
>>
>>Wasn't a money loser for me,
> ** The aim of manufacturing is to make money.
I'm not a manufacturer.
> A good design makes money for it maker.
Is that an absolute?
> But a fader jerk dealer would not get that.
Dealers have storefronts. Production supplier would be accurate.
>>you might want to look up some reference for the phrase 'sonic
>>integrity', I'm sure you're unfamiliar with it.
>
>
>
> ** The phrase is pure marketing hype - and a load of bulshit - like you
> Stoolie.
Figures that you would be confused by the phrase. Let me put it another
way: they sounded excellent in comparison to lots of other amps of the day.
>>> ** AM was only a small player in Australia.
>>
>>And an even smaller player outside Australia. Regardless, there were a
>>few pretty big p.a. rigs outside Oz using Ausmon.
>
>
>
> ** So what ? Do you live in Australia where these brands were sold
> and used ????
Golly Phil, I would have thought you could grasp that by saying "outside
Oz" I meant -- outside Oz. Regardless, no, no personal experience in
Australia. You got any in the rest of the world? Bet not.
> ** I know the whole story. One does not need to... operate...
> the things to know *all* about them.
CLASSIC EE.
> Stoolie is mentally defective.
Right. You go off railing against anyone, anytime, on any group
unfortunate enough to have drawn your attention; the subject of numerous
posts questioning your people skills, the author of numerous threads
started for no reason other than to make personal slurs and I'm the
defective. Do you ever find that you have to put the cat outside
sometimes because he won't stop "looking at you"? Up the meds, babe.
>>> ** Stoolie - YOU are wrong.
>>>
>>> Wrong as wrong can be, plus an utter asshole.
>
>
As I said before: too stupid to see the irony of your own words. Keep
on keepin' on Phil. Don't let the little voices get too loud.
Phil Allison
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> >
> > ** I do not care to let some ignorant asshole JUDGE my technical
> > knowledge and abilities.
>
> Oh no, I'm not looking to judge your knowledge or abilities, I'm pretty
> clear their value -- given your incredible engineering chops and warm
> personality, what have you *accomplished*?
** Nothing a complete and utter ASS like you Stoolie would ever understand
or appreciate.
>
> > ** "Stoolie is a vile pig" - sums it up nicely
> >
> > ** More Stoolie faaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttt posing as fact.
>
>
> > ** The electronics of live sound IS my business - this NG if full
of
> > that.
>
> This group is full of people who operate or aspire to operate
> reinforcement systems.
** You mean brain dead wankers posing as "professionals " ??
>
> > What is NOT needed is fuckwits like you posing as experts and
> > attacking real ones.
>
> >>> ** Shame is was a money loser and a poor design.
> > But a fader jerk dealer would not get that.
>
> Dealers have storefronts.
** Some do - some don't.
> Production supplier would be accurate.
** Plus don't forget liar, cheat, defamer and all round POS.
>
> >>you might want to look up some reference for the phrase 'sonic
> >>integrity', I'm sure you're unfamiliar with it.
> >
> >
> > ** The phrase is pure marketing hype - and a load of bulshit - like
you
> > Stoolie.
>
> Figures that you would be confused by the phrase. Let me put it another
> way: they sounded excellent in comparison to lots of other amps of the
day.
** More marketing hype - Stoolie is SO stupid believes his own lies.
>
> >>> ** AM was only a small player in Australia.
> >>
> >>And an even smaller player outside Australia. Regardless, there were a
> >>few pretty big p.a. rigs outside Oz using Ausmon.
> >
> >
> > ** So what ? Do you live in Australia where these brands were
sold
> > and used ????
>
> Golly Phil, I would have thought you could grasp that by saying "outside
> Oz" I meant -- outside Oz. Regardless, no, no personal experience in
> Australia. You got any in the rest of the world? Bet not.
** Irrational shit. Small is small.
> >>> ** Stoolie - YOU are wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Wrong as wrong can be, plus an utter asshole.
> >
>
.............. Phil
Matt Stoody
> "Matt Stoody" <mst...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3ead4...@news1.prserv.net...
>
>>
>>clear their value -- given your incredible engineering chops and warm
>>personality, what have you *accomplished*?
> ** Nothing a complete and utter ASS like you Stoolie would ever understand
> or appreciate.
No doubt. Training sheep to do "special tricks" isn't an acheivement
likely to be understood by many. Nice cop out though. To afraid to
subject your "accomplishments" to the exposure, huh?
>>This group is full of people who operate or aspire to operate
>>reinforcement systems.
>
> ** You mean brain dead wankers posing as "professionals " ??
To which I ask once again, if we're all mooks and your greatness is
underappreciated here, why would you elect to torment yourself by
keeping company with us fools??
> ** Plus don't forget liar, cheat, defamer and all round POS.
On what basis are you calling me a liar and a cheat?
>
> ** More marketing hype - Stoolie is SO stupid believes his own lies.
Yes, using a couple of devices you don't -- ears, in the company of
others who possess one of the many things you lack -- talent.
> ** Small is small.
No shit. Once again the irony of your word choices, as you tilt at
windmills, is lost on you. Your behavior is quite unbelievable, Phil.
Stop carrying on.
BTW gang, you should see the sheit this braniac is flinging on
alt.aus.electronics, which I was tipped to by another fan of his, here
on aapls. Note how prolific he is when the sheep are out in the field
grazing. Back to the shed to repair those powered mixers, Mr. EE
(honours!), at least until Fluffy comes in from the meadow for more
"training".
Phil Allison
> Phil Allison wrote:
> > "Matt Stoody" <mst...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:3ead4...@news1.prserv.net...
> >
> >>
> >>Oh no, I'm not looking to judge your knowledge or abilities, I'm pretty
> >>clear their value -- given your incredible engineering chops and warm
> >>personality, what have you *accomplished*?
>
> > ** Nothing a complete and utter ASS like you Stoolie would ever
understand
> > or appreciate.
>
> No doubt. Training sheep to do "special tricks" isn't an acheivement
> likely to be understood by many. Nice cop out though. To afraid to
> subject your "accomplishments" to the exposure, huh?
** Define "accomplishments" - then lets see if you have any real
ones.
Surviving as a con artist and spiv is NO accomplishment.
>
> To which I ask once again, if we're all mooks and your greatness is
> underappreciated here, why would you elect to torment yourself by
> keeping company with us fools??
** I am in no company with anyone. But roasting fools like you alive
in public is a worthwhile passtime.
>
> > ** Plus don't forget liar, cheat, defamer and all round POS.
>
> On what basis are you calling me a liar and a cheat?
** You tell lies, you post lies, you have no respect for truth.
You are a stinking slimy audio dealer.
After that is is all down hill basically.
> > ** More marketing hype - Stoolie is SO stupid believes his own
lies.
>
> Yes, using a couple of devices you don't -- ears, in the company of
> others who possess one of the many things you lack -- talent.
** Those two ears are attached to a non-functioning brain and a prolific
liar.
............. Phil
Matt Stoody
>
> ** Define "accomplishments" - then lets see if you have any real
> ones.
I would define an accomplishment as an identifiable role in an endeavour
of specified signifigance. Got any?
>>To which I ask once again, if we're all mooks and your greatness is
>>underappreciated here, why would you elect to torment yourself by
>>keeping company with us fools??
>
> ** I am in no company with anyone. But roasting fools like you alive
> in public is a worthwhile passtime.
Optus will be interested in your professed raison d'etre here on aapls.
Tell us more.
> ** Plus don't forget liar, cheat, defamer and all round POS.
>>On what basis are you calling me a liar and a cheat?
>
> ** You tell lies, you post lies, you have no respect for truth.
Examples?
> You are a stinking slimy audio dealer.
> After that is is all down hill basically.
Actually, I'm not a dealer at all. I facilitate the technical
requirements of event producers or artists who require production
equipment for live performance; mostly audio, but I have been involved
in some large scale off-topics. Some of these performances have been
seen and heard by millions, sometimes all at once, sometimes over a
period of weeks, months or years.
> ** a prolific liar.
To which I challenge you again: what lies and cheating? Be specific.
Hell, be general. But most of all, be careful, cause I'd love to
litigate your ass and would do it for sport. Let's go.
Phil Allison
> Phil Allison wrote:
> >> "Matt Stoody" <mst...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3eada...@news1.prserv.net...
> >
> > ** Define "accomplishments" - then lets see if you have any
real
> > ones.
>
> I would define an accomplishment as an identifiable role in an endeavour
> of specified signifigance. Got any?
** So you mean some kind of bullshit status thing ??
A false public image of self importance.
> >
> > ** I am in no company with anyone. But roasting fools like you
alive
> > in public is a worthwhile passtime.
>
> Optus will be interested in your professed raison d'etre here on aapls.
> Tell us more.
** Faaaaaaarrrrrrrttttt.
>
> > ** Plus don't forget liar, cheat, defamer and all round POS.
>
> >>On what basis are you calling me a liar and a cheat?
> >
> > ** You tell lies, you post lies, you have no respect for truth.
>
> Examples?
** Everything you have said about me.
>
> > You are a stinking slimy audio dealer.
> > After that is is all down hill basically.
>
> Actually, I'm not a dealer at all. I facilitate the technical
> requirements of event producers or artists who require production
> equipment for live performance; mostly audio, but I have been involved
> in some large scale off-topics. Some of these performances have been
> seen and heard by millions, sometimes all at once, sometimes over a
> period of weeks, months or years.
** And so that is why you are on this MASSIVE ego trip.
>
> > ** a prolific liar.
>
> To which I challenge you again: what lies and cheating? Be specific.
> Hell, be general. But most of all, be careful, cause I'd love to
> litigate your ass and would do it for sport. Let's go.
** Just try Stoolie.
............ Phil
Matt Stoody
>>To which I challenge you again: what lies and cheating? Be specific.
>>Hell, be general. But most of all, be careful, cause I'd love to
>>litigate your ass and would do it for sport. Let's go.
>
>
> ** Just try Stoolie.
Responding without addressing the issue was a smart move, one of the few
you've made.
Phil Allison
** As if.
.............. Phil