small budget PA questions
Earl
questions. Yea, I know, just what this group needs, another guy
posting about a cheap PA...apologies in advance.
my wife and I will start doing the coffeehouse type venue scene up
near Buffalo, and want to get a small PA..I play acoustic guitar and
we both sing...folky, jazzy, celticy, lilith fairy type stuff.
Obviously, we're looking for a small setup - and with mortgage, car
payment, kids, ...well, you know, $ flow is a problem.
I've been looking at getting either the powered Yamaha mixers (EMX660)
with Yamaha speakers, or getting the new Mackie DFX mixers with a QSC
power amp to go with the Yamaha speakers.
Questions:
1. Are the new Yamaha powered mixers (EMX66M) any different than the
older ones like the EMX660..the case looks a little more modern...but
not sure otherwise.
2. Are the Yamaha club series really better than the standard Yamaha
speakers? Price difference is $189 vs. $279..that's almost $200 for
the pair...
3. I know the collective opinion on Mackie...(hey, at least I didn't
say Behringer), but, are there any other 6 channel budget mixers to
consider besides the Powered Yamaha's, Mackie, and Behringer? please
don't tell me to save up my money and get an A&H Icon!! related
question - anyone have any experience with these new Mackie mixers?
4. Besides the Yamaha club speakers, any good alternatives in that
price range? JBL? Community?
Any other recommendations? At this point, I'm avoiding powered
speakers due to needed to plug them both in, although, the Yamaha 15"
powered speakers look attractive for the price..Obviously, I'm gonna
shop around the used market to see what's around my area...but, for
new stuff, I'm looking at:
option A:
Yamaha EMX660 $399
Yamaha 15" clubs $598 (pair)
stands/cable $150
total $1150
option B:
Mackie DFX 6 $299
QSC RMX850 $299
Yamaha 15" clubs $598
stands/cable $150
total $1350
Well? experiences? comments? keep in mind, me buying a PA that is
much more expensive than what I've detailed above would result in
serious nagging and aggravation from the wife...I've been married long
enough to know that a happy wife is a happy husband - even if I don't
have the Icon with EAW's...
thanks for any help -
Earl
George Gleason
seat to you overriding concern for cost
with that mindset I can heartily recommend you get a Crate(or Carvin)
powered head some samson mics and CGM speakers entire package less than
600$
it will sound every bit as good as the rig your suggesting
and save you a ton of cash
possibly look into the Fender Passport as well they make a rig that fits
your price range
BUT by the time your buying Yamaha and mackie you might as well bite the
nut and get the ICON and some Community speakers it is only about 20% more
and will serve the needs of a working musician with aplumb
George Gleason
Phildo
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> 3. I know the collective opinion on Mackie...(hey, at least I didn't
> say Behringer),
Behringer mixers are every bit as "good" as mackie, just cost less.
Phildo
Kees Jan Koster
>
> my wife and I will start doing the coffeehouse type venue scene up
> near Buffalo, and want to get a small PA..I play acoustic guitar and
> we both sing...folky, jazzy, celticy, lilith fairy type stuff.
> Obviously, we're looking for a small setup - and with mortgage, car
> payment, kids, ...well, you know, $ flow is a problem.
>
Please don't forget to budget for some microphones. I found that good
microphones make a big difference if the PA isn't all that hot. I would
like to politely disagree with George that you should look into Samson
mics. There are better mics for not too much more money.
Consider portability too. A powered mixer means one less box to carry
and hook up. The Fender Passpost system seems to take this to the
extreme.
Yours,
Kees Jan
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Robert Hudd
Although I've found that with mikes it tends to be trial and error rather
than asking other peoples' opinions (although obviously that helps you gain
knowledge, and should never be sniffed at!).
Sometimes I've found that for the kind of thing I'm doing (500W/side small
band PA, music by Dire Straits, etc - with great Yamaha (S115's) club
speakers by the way!), sometimes the sound of the cheaper, less-recommended
mikes create a better sound than your SM58's or whatever else - there are
others who swear by SM58's, but personally I prefer the Sennheiser 385's
combined with the odd radioshack (you'd be surprised at what I can get out
of them, in the right venue), and any other mikes I've got lying around the
place!
As to powered (or non-powered for that matter!) mixers...perhaps u might
want to check out soundcraft? Just a thought!
Good luck mate, I must have known less than you did when I started out (only
a few years back), so thank yourself lucky for the guys on here! I know I
do! :)
Rob
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Pete Kerezman
<g.p.g...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>earl I am guessing that your presentation quality will be takeing a back
>seat to you overriding concern for cost
>with that mindset I can heartily recommend you get a Crate(or Carvin)
>powered head some samson mics and CGM speakers entire package less than
>600$
>it will sound every bit as good as the rig your suggesting
>and save you a ton of cash
>possibly look into the Fender Passport as well they make a rig that fits
>your price range
I think George is being a little sarcastic here, Earl. The two
passport systems i've heard (big and small) absolutely sucked. I
think those yammy S115IVs give pretty good sound for the buck, i would
pick them before community piezo cabs for your kind of act. And i'd
get a peavey setup before a crate or a carvin. The reliability issues
of the more recent carvin powered mixers has been discussed in this
group many times.
Earl wrote, in part -
>my wife and I will start doing the coffeehouse type venue scene up
>near Buffalo, and want to get a small PA..I play acoustic guitar and
>we both sing...folky, jazzy, celticy, lilith fairy type stuff.
>option A:
>Yamaha EMX660 $399
>Yamaha 15" clubs $598 (pair)
>stands/cable $150
>total $1150
That setup should do okay, but...
>
>option B:
>Mackie DFX 6 $299
>QSC RMX850 $299
>Yamaha 15" clubs $598
>stands/cable $150
>total $1350
...i'm partial to my RMX850 which does double-duty as a bass biamp
and a monitor amp, but it's heavy. Is the 300w per amp of the 660
program or rms? Into 4 ohms, right? The 850 gives a solid 800+ watts
rms bridged to a four-ohm load, which would be 400w per cab, closer to
ideal for the S115IVs, which are rated 500w program. I'm guessing
that this is at least double what the 660 would put into those 8ohm
cabs. If so, this system should sound noticeably cleaner than the
first. Be sure to activate the 50hz low-cut and the limiter on the
RMX if you go this route.
George again -
>BUT by the time your buying Yamaha and mackie you might as well bite the
>nut and get the ICON and some Community speakers it is only about 20% more
>and will serve the needs of a working musician with aplumb
If money's not a problem i'd go with the icon powered mixer and the
S115IVs, and brace myself for the usual digital learning curve.
Whatever you do, get good mics.
Texas Pete
Robert Hudd
smallish setups (admittedly they generally suck for large setups), and who
likes the S115's too! :) I just got the S115's and they sound niiiice!
Whilst the guy I do the gigs with has got some nice 500W Peavey's (sorry,
don't know the model) (although bear in mind that I've never really done any
gigs bigger than about 200 or so people, so I'm not exactly an expert!).
Rob
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Phildo
> S115IVs, and brace myself for the usual digital learning curve.
ICON is very easy to use. He won't have any problems. It was aimed at
the muso rather than the engineer I suspect.
> Whatever you do, get good mics.
Agreed. Take a look at JTS/Proel. I've used a few recently and been
quite impressed. Basically Shure copies at a reduced price.
Phildo
Pete Kerezman
<hudd...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>Wow! Someone who shares my views that PV are not actually that bad for
>smallish setups (admittedly they generally suck for large setups), and who
>likes the S115's too! :) I just got the S115's and they sound niiiice!
>Whilst the guy I do the gigs with has got some nice 500W Peavey's (sorry,
>don't know the model) (although bear in mind that I've never really done any
>gigs bigger than about 200 or so people, so I'm not exactly an expert!).
Me neither, but i learn a lot on this group.
I think peavey is alright for low-dollar stuff, there's sure plenty
of it in use around here. For a decent, cheap, loud enough honky-tonk
setup it seems to get the job done.
I had a chance to use a pair of those S115s once and i thought they
sounded very good for $300 speakers, well above average sound for that
price range even though we were underpowering them.
One of the interesting things about aapls is that some big-time pros
do participate and they are willing to try and help us in spite of
our crummy little budgets and foolish misconceptions. I hope they
know how much i appreciate this.
Texas Pete
George Gleason
> pick them before community piezo cabs
Community discontinued the Piezo models over a year ago
George
Phildo
> I had a chance to use a pair of those S115s once and i thought they
> sounded very good for $300 speakers, well above average sound for that
> price range even though we were underpowering them.
I agree. Got some in a bar I look after and they blow away the JBL eons
they have in there as well for sound quality.
> One of the interesting things about aapls is that some big-time pros
> do participate and they are willing to try and help us in spite of
> our crummy little budgets and foolish misconceptions. I hope they
> know how much i appreciate this.
Actually we're just letting you run up a tab. Expect an invoice in the
mail very shortly :-)
Phildo
Pete Kerezman
Does community offer a two-way 1x15 for ~$300 street price?
Texas Pete
=Bob=
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: "Pete Kerezman" <pete...@aol.com> wrote in message
How do the S115's compare with Cerwin-Vega V-152's? I know
some people don't care much for CV though...
=Bob=
Shaun
> Wow! Someone who shares my views that PV are not actually that bad for
> smallish setups (admittedly they generally suck for large setups), and who
> likes the S115's too! :) I just got the S115's and they sound niiiice!
> Whilst the guy I do the gigs with has got some nice 500W Peavey's (sorry,
> don't know the model) (although bear in mind that I've never really done any
> gigs bigger than about 200 or so people, so I'm not exactly an expert!).
In the past, I provided SR for many shows, over 6,000 people each, using
Peavey consoles/speakers and Carver PM-series amps. Many former nationals
played thru that system. Granted, those were PV Mark VIII consoles, but you
should see my point: not everything made by typically-MI manufacturers is
crap; even Mackie makes a few nice, reliable products (just not for live
sound use!). Everything has its place, and some un-roadworthy MI cabinets
can (or can be made to) sound exceptionally good, especially with proper
engineering skill employed, or even some dumb luck via trial-and-error.
Just don't expect to fly them safely, or array pairs or more with decent
results, or have them last more than a few months on the road. Ya gets what
ya pays for. One of my line power cords for supplying muso's amps on stage
may cost more than one of many of the speakers mentioned here recently. ;)
--
Shaun Wexler,
Hellsgate Sound
http://www.hellsgate-sound.com
mailto:sh...@hellsgate-sound.com
George Gleason
George
Phildo
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> How do the S115's compare with Cerwin-Vega V-152's? I know
> some people don't care much for CV though...
Never used the CVs although their stuff I have used failed to impress.
Phildo
Pete Kerezman
<g.p.g...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Does community offer a two-way 1x15 for ~$300 street price?
>>
>Yes aamof well under that 300$ mark MVP line replaced the CSX stuff
Thanks. I'll check out community on the web. Like to see the
specs.
Texas Pete
Jim Morgan
>Questions:
>2. Are the Yamaha club series really better than the standard Yamaha
>speakers?
I think they are.
>3. .... but, are there any other 6 channel budget mixers to
>consider besides the Powered Yamaha's, Mackie, and Behringer?
Soundcraft has the Folio series, powered and unpowered.
I think the smallest is 4 xlr and a couple of stereo channels
for effects returns, tape/CD inputs etc.
>don't tell me to save up my money and get an A&H Icon!! related
>question - anyone have any experience with these new Mackie mixers?
I had to work on one last year (CFX?) and it was horrible.
>4. Besides the Yamaha club speakers, any good alternatives in that
>price range? JBL? Community?
Look into Community CSX(?) and Yorkville Elite.
I would avoid the JBLs. To my ear they're harsh sounding.
>Any other recommendations? At this point, I'm avoiding powered
>speakers due to needed to plug them both in, although, the Yamaha 15"
>powered speakers look attractive for the price..Obviously, I'm gonna
>shop around the used market to see what's around my area...but, for
>new stuff, I'm looking at:
>option B:
>Mackie DFX 6 $299
>QSC RMX850 $299
Look into the Soundcrafts.
You'll be able to have a step up for about the same price.
>Yamaha 15" clubs $598
For your planned application, you might want to look at
the 12" (or even the 10") version. A little less cash, and
IMHO sound a little better for lower volume acoustic stuff.
>stands/cable $150
I think you're a little tight on this.
I assume you're talking speaker stands since you haven't mentioned
needing to buy microphones etc.
The cheapest speaker stands I've seen cost around $150 for the pair.
Allow an extra $50-75 for some decent speaker cables if you buy.
They can be built a *LOT* cheaper if you can solder.
Remove NOSPAM to reply
Spammers and flamers and trolls, Oh My!
Earl
about the value of the pro's on this group..i appreciate it a great
deal too.
I don't need info on mic's, stands, all that stuff - already got that
covered.
the Yamaha speakers I think are decent. certainly, they are worth the
money. The only other speakers I'm still considering are the cheaper
community's and EV SX-100 ($329 is best price so far..compared to $279
for 12" yamaha clubs...). If it were you, which would you go for out
of those 3 choices?
the powered mixers are the biggest question mark to me at this
point...any websites out there I can check out specs and prices on the
soundcraft stuff?
Not sure about the Icon, but seems like overkill for me at this
point...but, hey, I'm not ruling it out.
Thanks again everyone...
Earl
Earl
Sander
> soundcraft stuff?
How about http://www.soundcraft.com ?
Earl
about the value of the pro's on this group..i appreciate it a great
deal too.
I don't need info on mic's, stands, all that stuff - already got that
covered.
the Yamaha speakers I think are decent. certainly, they are worth the
money. The only other speakers I'm still considering are the cheaper
community's and EV SX-100 ($329 is best price so far..compared to $279
for 12" yamaha clubs...). If it were you, which would you go for out
of those 3 choices?
the powered mixers are the biggest question mark to me at this
point...any websites out there I can check out specs and prices on the
soundcraft stuff? any reason to choose soundcraft over yamaha?
Lawrence Lucier
>
>
> the Yamaha speakers I think are decent. certainly, they are worth the
> money. The only other speakers I'm still considering are the cheaper
> community's and EV SX-100 ($329 is best price so far..compared to $279
> for 12" yamaha clubs...). If it were you, which would you go for out
> of those 3 choices?
>
FWIW, for FOH don't go smaller than 15"; 12" just don't cut it
for clarity, IMHO. (YMMV).
Again FWIW, I really like the Yamaha SM15IV's that I bought along
with the Yamaha EMX 2000 powered mixer (latest model in this line
is the Yamaha 3000 which has a bit more power).
Phildo
> point...but, hey, I'm not ruling it out.
Just remember with the ICON you have FX plus gate/comps on every channel
saving you a lot of money on outboard gear and a lot of rack stuff to
cart about. You also get much better EQ.
Phildo
Robert Hudd
I think I can help with both ur speaker and mixer choice...
First, I've just bought the Yamaha S115's, and so I know they sound very
nice. However, it's going to be difficult to find an affordable power amp
that powers them at about the right level, let alone a powered mixer!
Therefore I would suggest getting the Yamaha CP2000 amp (was specifically
designed for the S115's and S112's! Even has a dedicated circuit for them.)
I've found it @ £400, whatever that is in $ (I'm sure u can find them at
about the same, or lower level, in the US. But for reference
www.soundslive.co.uk, and obviously the yamaha site!). The reason you'll
have difficulty finding a powered mixer in ur price range for the Yammys is
due to the fact that they're 8ohm speakers, and as we all know, you need
more power to drive them! And often it's not really worth the manufacturers
building powered mixers with that kind of grunt because, quite frankly,
there's very little market for them! Once you get to that level of power,
you really want a separate amp!
Well, that's my opinion anyway...
Now, onto Soundcraft mixers! If you're looking for quite small mixers then
the Soundcraft Spirit Folio Notepad has 4 XLR/jack ins, and two phono ins (I
suppose you could use it as a DJ mixer at a pinch! Obviously no crossfader,
but it's better than nothing!), plus a tape in for just over the £100 mark.
I've certainly found mine very useful for doing small amateur band gigs! You
almost certainly won't find a powered mixer this small (i.e. less than about
8 channels) with any significant amount of power. However, personally I'd go
for the SX (highly versatile - I sold my last one for a bit of dosh, but I
did love using it! I could take it anywhere, and do anything with it!), or
the F1 (slightly cheaper, but less features). It's worth investing in those
few extra channels - it allows for expansion, better micing up, etc. Also
there's far more useful/essential features! Anyway, if you want any other
help with soundcraft gear, then I'm sure I could lend a hand!
right...*cough*...I'm now going to mention a certain name, and no doubt be
ridiculed for it! And that name is.............Behringer! I know that
they're not exactly everyone's favourite mixers, but at this level they
perform remarkably well (and I'll be the first to admit that the bigger
stuff used more by professionals are not exactly amazing!). But check out
the MX804, MX1604 and MX2004 (not sure about quality of this last one, but
have a look). They're cheap, but perform well! I've only got the MX602 (2 x
XLR channels), but it's stood me in good stead for the minimal amount of
cash I doled out for it!
Hope this helps!
Rob
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Blind Joni
>>question - anyone have any experience with these new Mackie mixers?
>
>I had to work on one last year (CFX?) and it was horrible.
>
Avoid the CFX at all costs.
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Albany, NY
"Survivor of the Slums"
David Shorter
> The reason you'll
> have difficulty finding a powered mixer in ur price range for the Yammys is
> due to the fact that they're 8ohm speakers, and as we all know, you need
> more power to drive them!
That's something we don't all know. :-)
Go back and read my replies to your "8 ohm" thread. How
much power a speaker requires has nothing to do with its
impedance. It all depends on the speakers sensitivity and
the volume you want to achieve although it's always better
to err on the side of more power (within reason).
What you possibly mean is that if you have an 8 ohm speaker
and a 4 ohm speaker and they have the same sensitivities
then the 8 ohm speaker will require a more expensive amp.
This assumes that you are powering each speaker with an amp
capable of the same maximum power into the respective load.
An 8 ohm speaker powered by a 500W amp requires an amp that
has power specs of 500W into 8 ohms which by the nature of
the beast would also be rated at approx. 800W into 4 ohms.
A 4 ohm speaker powered by a 500W amp requires an amp that
has power specs of 500W into 4 ohms which by the nature of
the beast would also be rated at approx. 300W into 8 ohms.
To sum up. For the same "maximum" volume the 8 ohm speaker
requires an amp rated at 800W/4 ohms while the 4 ohm speaker
requires an amp rated at 500W/4 ohms. So all things being
equal the amp for the 4 ohm speaker will cost less.
Only one problem with trying to save money on an amp by
using 4 ohm speakers. There aren't that many 4 ohm speakers
available.
p.s. I won't get into paralleling speakers or bridging amps
for more efficient use of an amp's maximum available power.
Maybe something for another day.
--
Regards,
David Shorter
Oceania Audio
Auckland, New Zealand
http://www.oceania-audio.co.nz
Any errors in tact, fact or spelling
are entirely due to transmission error.
BillHart,KarenPierce
Lawrence Lucier wrote:
> FWIW, for FOH don't go smaller than 15"; 12" just don't cut it
> for clarity, IMHO. (YMMV).
I have the impression that a 12" is clearer than a comparably priced and
powered 15" for vocal and instruments unless you are asking the speaker
to produce a lot of bass power at the same time. A 15" can usually pump
out more bass power without distorting the mix. If you aren't running a
bass guitar, a drum, or the a keyboard that you use a lot of bottom end
from, then consider the 12".
BH
Robert Hudd
Yes I did know all that - partially from the 8ohm thread, and partially from
my other sources! :) Also, after I got the first few replies I realised how
much physics I've forgotten in the two years since I did the subject at
school! Am now able to confidently work out what I need! (Cheers for all
your help on that by the way, guys!)
I've always found it best to power speakers with an amp rated at the same
value - I know different people have different opinions about the damage
caused by either underpowering or overpowering full-range cabs, so I just go
for the same value (or as close to it as poss! I never put the amp too far
up anyway...so speakers are not pushed too much). The highest powered mixer
I've seen in general circulation is the soundcraft powerstation 1200
(600W/channel @ 4ohm) [think that's right anyway!]. So actually that may
well be used for the Yammy S115's...but is rather expensive too (about
Ł1000)!
Anyways, hope that's cleared it up! And that my advice remains valid! :)
Cheers,
Rob
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Phildo
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> I've always found it best to power speakers with an amp rated at the
same
> value - I know different people have different opinions about the
damage
> caused by either underpowering or overpowering full-range cabs, so I
just go
> for the same value (or as close to it as poss! I never put the amp too
far
> up anyway...so speakers are not pushed too much).
I suggest you re-read the threads again because you obviously still
don't get it. Doesn't matter if you turn the amp down, you can still
blow your speaker.
Phildo
Robert Hudd
'reply' rather than 'reply all'! Here it is again, and yes of course I know
that u can still easily blow the speaker (Managed to do it once before on a
small system) - I'm not that dumb ;)
---
Hey,
Yes I did know all that - partially from the 8ohm thread, and partially from
my other sources! :) Also, after I got the first few replies I realised how
much physics I've forgotten in the two years since I did the subject at
school! Am now able to confidently work out what I need! (Cheers for all
your help on that by the way, guys!)
I've always found it best to power speakers with an amp rated at the same
value - I know different people have different opinions about the damage
caused by either underpowering or overpowering full-range cabs, so I just go
for the same value (or as close to it as poss! I never put the amp too far
up anyway...so speakers are not pushed too much). The highest powered mixer
I've seen in general circulation is the soundcraft powerstation 1200
(600W/channel @ 4ohm) [think that's right anyway!]. So actually that may
well be used for the Yammy S115's...but is rather expensive too (about
Ł1000).
Anyways, hope that's cleared it up! And that my advice remains valid! :)
Cheers,
Rob
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Pete Kerezman
<hudd...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>I've always found it best to power speakers with an amp rated at the same
>value - I know different people have different opinions about the damage
>caused by either underpowering or overpowering full-range cabs, so I just go
>for the same value (or as close to it as poss! I never put the amp too far
>up anyway...so speakers are not pushed too much).
Looks like you haven't been listening. The volume control on the
amp adjusts the *input* sensitivity and the amp is still capable of
putting out max power. BTW, thanks to the one who posted that info.
A friend tried to explain it to me but he failed to mention the input
sensitivity aspect, which really cleared things up for me.
Texas Pete
David Shorter
> The highest powered mixer
> I've seen in general circulation is the soundcraft powerstation 1200
> (600W/channel @ 4ohm) [think that's right anyway!]. So actually that may
> well be used for the Yammy S115's...but is rather expensive too (about
> £1000)!
Yorkville PowerMAX - 2 x 800W/4 ohms (mains) and
2 x 275W/4 ohms (monitors)
Yorkville AudioPro - 2 x 800W/4 ohms
Earl
EV SX100 and the Yamaha clubs - price difference is about $100 for the
pair...
for the mixer/amp, I'm inbetween the Behringer or Mackie 6 channel
(not the CFX, the new DFX - only $299 for 6 channel with effects) with
the QSC RMX850, and the Yamaha powered mixer...close call either
way...down side to the Behringer is no effects at all - it'd be nice
to have a little reverb to add, even if it isn't the best sounding in
the world...
still want to know about the speakers though - let me know...
thanks,
Earl
Robert Hudd
> still want to know about the speakers though - let me know...
This is only my personal opinion, but I'd REALLY go for the Yamahas! They
sound really nice for their price bracket (I reckon people'd still buy them
if they were more expensive). But that's just what I think...other people
may think differently...and I may be biased due to owning the S115's ;-)
I'd go Behringer for the mixer, and splash out on the Yamaha CP2000 amp -
never really been a great fan of in-built FX! Get urself a cheap FX unit if
u want any - it may be of less quality than doling out several hundred for a
nice lexicon effects unit or whatever, but it's better than inbuilt FX...
Rob
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