Teac Model 2 pro mixer, basic usage questions
Rod Speed
about the inputs and outputs and cant find a manual online etc.
I'm basically using it to mix various audio sources, mostly from
PCs and other stuff like the VCR audio outputs, into the older
boom box I use as powered speakers. (please dont cry |-)
The 6 input channels are pretty obvious, but I
cant make a lot of sense of the output channels.
Each output channel has a
Buss In
Access Rcv
Access Send
Line Out
Aux Out
My admittedly rather naive assumption is that I should be
using either the Line Out or Aux Outs on the output channels.
Dont get anything on those regardless of what input channels
are switched to the output channel. I do get what I would
expect on the Access Send for that output channel, except
that the master volume slider has no effect on that.
The Buss In on one output channel does appear
on the Line Out and Aux Out connectors for that
channel and is affected by the master volume slider.
No doubt I will kick myself when someone
tells me where I am going wrong.
John Cafarella
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>
> Each output channel has a
>
> Buss In
> Access Rcv
> Access Send
> Line Out
> Aux Out
Ok, it been a LONG time since i've seen one of these.
IIRC, it goes like this:
Buss in - the input to the ouput channel
Access send and RCV is an insert point. IIRC inserting a plug into the the
access RCV breaks the signal path.
Line out - signal exits here
Aux out - sorry can't help on this one.
Hope that helps,
--
John Cafarella
End Of the Road Studio
Melbourne, Australia
Paul Dupuis
I vaguely remember (20 years ago) using a Teac mixer that had short RCA
normalizing jumpers between the "send" and "receive". If that
mixer/console is missing the jumpers, it would interrupt any sound
you're sending to any "group" beyond the "access send"... Most mixers
nowadays use a "switched" 1/4" jack that serves the same purpose when
you don't have anything connected to it (i.e. send loops right back to
receive in the absence of any outboard processing gear).
And that same mixer had an aux output but the indididual "aux send" pots
were all on the right-hand side of the control panel rather than in each
"input strip" as is usually the case...probably post-fade as well...
Can't remember specifically what the "buss in" was used for (perhaps a 4
track tape return?).
Good luck
Paul
Rod Speed
John Cafarella <zafar...@powertel.com.au> wrote in
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> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Each output channel has a
>> Buss In
>> Access Rcv
>> Access Send
>> Line Out
>> Aux Out
> Ok, it been a LONG time since i've seen one of these.
Yeah, its a tad of dinosaur, discrete transistors. No valves tho |-)
> IIRC, it goes like this:
> Buss in - the input to the ouput channel
Hard to credit. Each input channel has 4 pushbutton
switches, one for each output channel, and those do
switch the input channel to the Access Send output.
> Access send and RCV is an insert point.
Access Send is clearly an output.
> IIRC inserting a plug into the the
> access RCV breaks the signal path.
These are RCA connectors. In fact everything is RCA
connectors except for Mic In which is a 6.5mm phone jack.
> Line out - signal exits here
Trouble is that it doesnt. It actually comes out on Access Send.
> Aux out - sorry can't help on this one.
> Hope that helps,
Fraid not |-)
Rod Speed
Paul Dupuis <home...@rogers.com> wrote in
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> Any chance those "access send" and
> "access receive" are RCA connectors?
Yes, they're all RCA connectors except
for Mic In which are 6.5 mm phone jacks.
> I vaguely remember (20 years ago) using a Teac mixer that had
> short RCA normalizing jumpers between the "send" and "receive".
Certainly figures given that Access Send has on it
what you've selected using the push button switches
on each input channel, one for each output channel.
Putting an RCA between Access Send and
Access Receive does produce the signal on
Line Out and Aux Out on that output channel.
Not too clear what the point of that is tho.
I should have said that Line Out and Aux Out appear
to just be different signal levels, logical from the names.
> If that mixer/console is missing the jumpers, it would interrupt any
> sound you're sending to any "group" beyond the "access send"...
Yeah, that does appear to be correct.
> Most mixers nowadays use a "switched" 1/4" jack that
> serves the same purpose when you don't have anything
> connected to it (i.e. send loops right back to receive in
> the absence of any outboard processing gear).
Makes sense.
> And that same mixer had an aux output but the indididual "aux send"
> pots were all on the right-hand side of the control panel rather than in
> each "input strip" as is usually the case...probably post-fade as well...
Not this one. Each input channel has a slider which isnt labelled,
which does vary the volume as you'd expect, and a Pan pot
which has the center labelled 0 and numbered up to 10 in
each arc away from the center. Not clear what its controlling.
> Can't remember specifically what the "buss in"
> was used for (perhaps a 4 track tape return?).
Yeah, nothing much shows up in google on that on a quick
look, I'll have another look at that tomorrow now that what
you have said about the Access ports seems to be right.
> Good luck
> Paul
Thanks Paul. It cant be too complicated after all.
Karl H
If I recall, most all of that era Tascam had a stacking input labeled "buss
in". I think it takes you straight to the summing amp.
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Russ
I remember one of these types of mixers from many moons ago - far too many
RCA sockets on the top and distressingly difficult to extract a sound from.
The main thing I remember is a whole bunch of plastic RCA jumpers which go
across the sends and returns - if you are missing these I think you need to
bridge them in order to get a signal through the input section (more
commonly called inserts - they always occur before the channel fader).You
also need to select a destination bus for each input channel (busses are
also referred to as subgroups on other mixers). You should be aiming to get
noise out of the Line Outs.
Good luck, that was one of the first mixers I ever saw, and I remember it
clearly as the only mixer I ever failed to understand, which is slightly
humiliating given the range of desks I've worked with since.
Russ.
Rick Ruskin
wrote:
>I've got a Teac Model 2 pro 6x4 mixer but I'm rather confused
>about the inputs and outputs and cant find a manual online etc.
>
>I'm basically using it to mix various audio sources, mostly from
>PCs and other stuff like the VCR audio outputs, into the older
>boom box I use as powered speakers. (please dont cry |-)
>
>The 6 input channels are pretty obvious, but I
>cant make a lot of sense of the output channels.
>
>Each output channel has a
>
>Buss In
>Access Rcv
>Access Send
>Line Out
>Aux Out
>
>My admittedly rather naive assumption is that I should be
>using either the Line Out or Aux Outs on the output channels.
>Dont get anything on those regardless of what input channels
>are switched to the output channel. I do get what I would
>expect on the Access Send for that output channel, except
>that the master volume slider has no effect on that.
Buss in drops a signal straight on to the summing bus for each
channel.
Line out and aux out are interchangeable
there must be a jumper or a device between each acc send/receive for
the signal path of each channel to be complete.
Lastly, the Model 2 is anything but a pro unit. Very poor performance
in all respects.
Rick Ruskin
Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA
http://liondogmusic.com
Ty Ford
I have one back in the Ty Ford Electronics Museum. I even have the manual.
Do you have the jumper cords in the Access and Receive jacks? If not, put
them in. The inputs will not pass audio without them.
The buss inputs each come into the four output busses before the master fader.
To get a pannable stereo output, you need to use busses 1-3 or 2-4.
Regards,
Ty Ford
For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
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Phil Kile
receives? (somehow, I think not.) Without those, you will get no
output at anything downstream of the insert.
Rod Speed
Phil Kile <phil...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Are the passthrough jumpers still in place between
> Access sends and receives? (somehow, I think not.)
Correct, they were missing.
> Without those, you will get no output
> at anything downstream of the insert.
Yeah, jumpering those makes it work as expected.
What is that for, when they arent just jumpered ?
The Buss In, one RCA per output channel, may well be some
mechanism for having a couple of the Model 2 mixers used in
conjunction when you need more than the 6x4 basic capability.
> Rod Speed <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote
>> John Cafarella <zafar...@powertel.com.au> wrote
Rod Speed
Karl H <judya...@arrakis.es> wrote in message
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> Yes, you need to connect the access points....cant normal RCAs
Presumably you meant 'cant normal RCAs be used as a jumper ?"
Yes, when those are jumpered it works as I expected it to.
> If I recall, most all of that era Tascam
> had a stacking input labeled "buss in".
This has one per output channel. Another RCA.
> I think it takes you straight to the summing amp.
I expect its a mechanism to allow say a pair of Model 2 mixers
to be used together when the basic 6x4 capability isnt enough.
I've only got a single Model 2 mixer, so I'll just ignore them.
Rod Speed
"Ty Ford" <tf...@jagunet.com> wrote in message news:tford.14...@news.jagunet.com...
Could I scrounge a scan of the manual please ?
My email is valid, but wont accept large files.
Just email a url if that suits you.
> Do you have the jumper cords in the Access and Receive jacks?
> If not, put them in. The inputs will not pass audio without them.
Yeah, that definitely fixes the basic problem I had.
> The buss inputs each come into the four output busses before the master fader.
Yes, but I havent yet grasped the concept of what they are used for.
> To get a pannable stereo output, you need to use busses 1-3 or 2-4.
Could you expand on that, if it isnt covered by the manual please ?
unitron
---snip---
> I have one back in the Ty Ford Electronics Museum.
Hey, I'll have to start calling my junk room that (except, of course,
naming it for myself instead of you) :-)
Rod Speed
Don Cooper <dcoope...@comcast.net> wrote in
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> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> To get a pannable stereo output, you need to use busses 1-3 or 2-4.
>> Could you expand on that, if it isnt covered by the manual please ?
> Think of the four busses as two stereo pairs. (L & R, L & R)
Yeah, makes sense now, thanks.
Rod Speed
David Morgan (MAMS) <ma...@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote
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> I may be able to find a manual on this beast. I need a day to look.
Thanks Dave, would be handy.
> Comments about the required send/receive jumpers
> are correct, unless you are sending (accessing) to,
> say, a compressor and back.
Yeah, I assumed it was for that sort of thing, once
it was explained what the basic point of it was.
> That circuit must always be closed.
Yep, works as expected when that is done.
> I have a delapidated 6 X 2 and a 12 X 2 Model 2 that have been
> in the lobby for sale for some 6 years. They aren't cosmetically
> in the best of shape, nor are they super clean operationally.
> Need parts ? ;-)
It appears to all be working fine now thanks,
and is in pretty reasonable condition. And I'm
on the other side of the world, Australia.
A 12x2 would be more suitable for my needs tho.
> Buss ins allow multiple mixers to be ganged together for expansion.
Yeah, after thinking about that, thats what makes sense.
> "Rod Speed" <rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:bbmkfo$ag6ok$1...@ID-69072.news.dfncis.de...
Ty Ford
<rod_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>David Morgan (MAMS) <ma...@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote
>in message news:VOIDa.47475$da1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
>
>> I may be able to find a manual on this beast. I need a day to look.
>
>Thanks Dave, would be handy.
>
>> Comments about the required send/receive jumpers
>> are correct, unless you are sending (accessing) to,
>> say, a compressor and back.
>
>Yeah, I assumed it was for that sort of thing, once
>it was explained what the basic point of it was.
>
>> That circuit must always be closed.
>
>Yep, works as expected when that is done.
>
>> I have a delapidated 6 X 2 and a 12 X 2 Model 2 that have been
>> in the lobby for sale for some 6 years. They aren't cosmetically
>> in the best of shape, nor are they super clean operationally.
>> Need parts ? ;-)
>
>It appears to all be working fine now thanks,
>and is in pretty reasonable condition. And I'm
>on the other side of the world, Australia.
I'll make the same offer I made Rod, since he's all the way in Australia. I
have a Model 2 here in the Ty Ford Museum with manual and maintenance
manual. The top's broken off the master fader but there's enough of a stub
to move it. Otherwise it's in SOP. $50 and I'll ship it.
Or I'll trade it for 2 used SM57s, or one SM7, or a Neumann U 87.