Social acceptance of ATHEISM ?
Oldguyteck
In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
want a job, or
I want to run for president ?
Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
hiding] ?
DarkAngel
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
> want a job, or
>
> I want to run for president ?
>
> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) ? [what are they
> hiding] ?
<Germany, during WWII... some idiot starts speaking up>
Why aren't Jews accepted in our society?
What are they hiding?
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Oldguyteck wrote in message <5bB92.95$hQ3.2...@newshog.newsread.com>...
|Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
|
|In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and
I
|want a job, or
|
|I want to run for president ?
|
|Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
|hiding] ?
(Flashback to 1960)
Why aren't blacks accepted in society, and many other races are?
In other words, why can't a black person proudly proclaim (I'm am black) and
I want a job, or
I want to run for president ?
-=THC....................(Tetrahydrocannabinol)
[WHAT ARE THEY HIDING]?
In other words, Ed... not a damn thing... it all comes down to
discrimination.
(of course one's atheism is easier to hide than skin color.)
-=THC=-
Karl E. Taylor
>
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
> want a job, or
>
> I want to run for president ?
>
> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
> hiding] ?
>
2. Why is foul fucking language permitted in society. Used constantly,
and one of the best damn basis of jokes by today's stand-up comics?
Shit, I forgot, you don't like dirty words, so to you they are not
acceptable. Well, gee, your religion is not acceptable to thinking
people either.
Get over it OldFart, religion ain't that great. And yes, everyone at my
job knows I'm an atheist. They knew it when they hired me.
You were saying?
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>Oldguyteck wrote in message <5bB92.95$hQ3.2...@newshog.newsread.com>...
>|
>|In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and
>I
>|want a job, or
>|
>|I want to run for president ?
>|
>|Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
>|hiding] ?
>
>
>
>Why aren't blacks accepted in society, and many other races are?
>
>In other words, why can't a black person proudly proclaim (I'm am black)
>I want a job, or
>
>I want to run for president ?
>
>[WHAT ARE THEY HIDING]?
>
>In other words, Ed... not a damn thing... it all comes down to
>discrimination.
>(of course one's atheism is easier to hide than skin color.)
>
>-=THC=-
>
atheisim.
Simply saying discrimination dosen't cut to the chase, I asked WHY what is
the REASON ?
In the slavery issue I guess the reason (right or wrong) was it was believed
the blacks were inferrior. They couldn't very well have had slavery for NO
reason, that wouldnt have made any sense, now getting back to atheism, whats
the reason you have to HIDE it EXCEPT in here in the NG.
Ed................................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
DarkAngel wrote in message <3666E3CF...@BAAWA.org>...
>Oldguyteck wrote:
>
>> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>
>> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist)
and I
>> want a job, or
>>
>> I want to run for president ?
>>
>> hiding] ?
>
><Germany, during WWII... some idiot starts speaking up>
>
>Why aren't Jews accepted in our society?
>
>What are they hiding?
>
>--
>a.a atheist #1172 sXe BAAWA
>
of
why do YOU have to hide your atheism.......surely you can come up with a
better response than the one you just used.
Ed................................(Oldguyteck) †
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Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
|Simply saying discrimination dosen't cut to the chase, I asked WHY what is
|the REASON ?
|
|In the slavery issue I guess the reason (right or wrong) was it was
believed
|the blacks were inferrior. They couldn't very well have had slavery for NO
|reason, that wouldnt have made any sense, now getting back to atheism,
whats
|the reason you have to HIDE it EXCEPT in here in the NG.
That's quite the generaization there Ed. Anyone who is close to me knows
that I am an atheist. However, any job I appy for, I don't put "atheism"
under my list of intrests/skills on thew job application simply because my
atheism has nothing to do with how I perform at a job. Now if someone asked
my religgous prefrancer I'd tell them, but in most cases, my being an
atheist has no reflection on the discussion at hand. To make a long story
short, do you yell from the rooftops that you don't rape little girls? Of
course not. It's for that same reason that I don't proclaim my atheism,
because there is no need for it, and can often be detrimental.
|Ed................................(Oldguyteck) †
-=THC=-
|
|
|
Oldguyteck
tetrahydrocannabinol wrote in message <746qau$lam$1...@news.inc.net>...
orrigional
question that seems to now bother you.
Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
Ed.......................................(Oldguyteck) †
Bill Thacker
Oldguyteck <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
>want a job, or I want to run for president ?
No Jew has become President yet; nor Buddhist, Muslim, or Mormon. And
until JFK broke the pattern, not even a Catholic. (His campaign
had to deal with (protestant) allegations that Kennedy would
subjugate the USA to the Vatican.)
Most people in this country, historically, were white protestants.
Thus, they elected white protestants. And of course, were an atheist
to run, the churches would whip up their worshippers with
fear-mongering along the lines, "If we elect an atheist, God will send
hurricanes and meteors to ravage us."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Oldguyteck
Allan Crossman wrote in message ...
>
>Oldguytech loudly cursed:
>
>> Why isn't atheism accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
>Please say "some societies." Openly being an atheist in Britain is
>certainly no problem, and I'd imagine the same's the case for a lot of
>countries.
>
>Allan Crossman
>----------------------------------------------
>"I reject your argument, especially since it
>isn't even a correct version of that fallacy."
Whats your point, if your a commie, then if your in a communist country you
could loudly boast that also...................
Ed................................(Oldguyteck) †
Brian Westley
...
>YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to my
>orrigional
>question that seems to now bother you.
>Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
>detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
>something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
>polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
Just like we've said, it's like when Jews or blacks weren't
accepted. Now when will you honestly start addressing your
religious bigotry, or will you dance around it?
---
Merlyn LeRoy
Red Celt
<edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
<snip>
Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
difficult concept to grasp?
Red Celt
#883
Oldguyteck
Brian Westley wrote in message ...
Who! who! there, just a minute here!. Atheism hasnt been accepted in nearly
2000 years, what makes you think now, with all your hullabaloo, anything is
going to change that ?
And I posed a ligitamate question, not to have the ball bounced back into my
court, BUT answered. So far all I see is skirting the issue and grabbing at
straws.
Ed...............................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
What is your take on Madlyne O'Hare ? Have you heard any more about her ?
Ed............................(Oldguyteck) †
Fred Stone
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
> want a job, or
>
> I want to run for president ?
>
> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
> hiding] ?
As far as I can tell, atheism is mostly not a big deal for "society." I've not
had a problem with anyone outside my own family. My mother's side of the family
has a high proportion of pentecostal Assemblies of God-ists. They don't invite
me and my one uncle (who's a preacher) to the same parties because he insists on
"saving my soul" and I won't go along with it.
Personally, Ed, I don't hide my atheism. Nor do I "proudly proclaim" it,
because, unlike participation in alt.atheism, where it does matter, in most of
my activities, the fact that I do not believe in God is simply not relevant.
When someone gets in my face with their theism, and it's happened but rarely, I
will proclaim my atheism. If the conversation remains polite and reasonable, so
be it. If it becomes a flame-fest, well, I've got my Zippo right here.
I have undertaken to have lunch with a Catholic theology student at work, once
or twice a month, to discuss our differences. We do so with respect for each
others' intelligence and positions. He says I'm the "first intelligent atheist"
that he's spoken with. I don't think he's spoken to many folks who've sincerely
considered their position either as theist or atheist.
In applying for a job, my religion is not relevant, unless I happen to be
applying for a job at a church (unlikely.) If a job interviewer asked my
religious preferences, it would be illegal, and I could sue (I don't know if I
would or not). I'm not about to run for President, as I wouldn't want the job.
Besides, if I ran for office, every dope dealer in Perrine would be on TV saying
"I know this guy..." which has NOTHING to do with the fact that I'm an atheist.
As you can see, I'm not hiding anything }:-)
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Andrew Bean
>
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
> want a job, or
>
> I want to run for president ?
>
> hiding] ?
People as scared of stuff they dont understand. For a lot of Christians,
atheism stands pretty far outside their understanding (or they'd be
atheists). Its simply safer to hide atheism, than to make yourself an
instant target to folks who see themselves as "gods avenger" or some
such thing. I mean, hey, YOU cant seem to accept atheism, can you?
Andrew
Oldguyteck
Andrew Bean wrote in message <366700...@Spamerdiediehotmail.com>...
I have no problem with the atheist that are atheist in the sense that they
JUST do not believe, it's the militant ones that concerne us. The ones that
are always on the attack against the church, and what it stands for.
At first, I myselfe thought atheism was just that, a non-beliefe HOWEVER
after comming here to this news-group I see a completely different aspect of
atheism.
And I will add here, it's not good.
Ed.....................................(Oldguyteck) †
Paul J. Koeck
Oldguyteck wrote:
>
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
> want a job, or
>
> I want to run for president ?
>
> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
> hiding] ?
Because the atheist would very likely be risking his/her life.
You xians are not known throughout history for being at all
tolerant of different POVs.
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Andrew Bean
>
> Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
> >On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
> >
> >>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
> >
> >Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
> >difficult concept to grasp?
> >
> >Red Celt
> >#883
>
> Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
> You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
>
> We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
>
> What is your take on Madlyne O'Hare ? Have you heard any more about her ?
>
ha hAHaHA ha haHah a
thats great. Its OUR country, dude. Ever heard of the first ammendment?
Freedom of religion?
Could this be an expression of fear? That maybe you, warm, loving,
caring Christians, like yourself, will no longer be in control? The USA
is no longer a white bread, small town, "Christian" nation, and I think
its time you got over the fact. Its people like you that cause us to
hide our atheism. Why dont politicians proclaim atheism? Well could have
something to do with:
We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens
Sounds like folks like you couldnt accept an atheist as a political
leader, no matter how good he might be, after all
We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens
Isnt that right?
All your points have been answered in previous posts in this thread.
You, however, cannot accept the answers for what they are. What do you
expect?
Andrew
Karl E. Taylor
that my job knew about it. I don't hide it, I let the world know that
I'm atheist and proud to be called one. Now, OldFart, Take your
stinking religion, your fucking bigoted god(s), your killing bible and
get the hell out of this news group. Your not fucking wanted here.
You deny that at least some of us will haul you on the carpet for what
you say, and then you blatantly lie or ignore what was posted to you.
You can't see past the end of your own nose, and you expect the world to
live there. You've been in here long enough to know that we really
don't give a shit what you want, what you like, or what you believe in.
The only 2 things your good for is laughing at, and reminding us what we
don't want to be when we get old. You and your fellow myth worshipers
are not the center of the universe. In fact, this whole planet matters
not a hill of beans to the universe. So get over it bub, you ain't that
special, and neither is your god.
Now, if you don't understand what all this shit is about, then take the
following suggestion to heart. 1.) learn to read. 2.) learn to tell
the truth. 3.) turn up the hearing aid of yours.
Shit, and I was having a good day too.
Crusa...@mailexcite.com
"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
> Brian Westley wrote in message ...
> >"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> writes:
> >...
> >>YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to my
> >>orrigional
> >>question that seems to now bother you.
> >
> >>Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
> >>detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
> >>something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
> >>polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
> >
> >Just like we've said, it's like when Jews or blacks weren't
> >accepted. Now when will you honestly start addressing your
> >religious bigotry, or will you dance around it?
> >
> >---
> >Merlyn LeRoy
>
> Who! who! there, just a minute here!. Atheism hasnt been accepted in nearly
> 2000 years, what makes you think now, with all your hullabaloo, anything is
> going to change that ?
>
> And I posed a ligitamate question, not to have the ball bounced back into my
> court, BUT answered. So far all I see is skirting the issue and grabbing at
> straws.
>
> Ed...............................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>
So far, all I see is Ed picking through the facts and discarding the truth he
does not want to hear. In all of your posts, Ed, all you did was deny
anything that anybody said until FINALLY, someone told you what you wanted to
hear. Gee....this sounds awfully familiar. Last time I saw you doing that
though, you were still responding to posts with "I say phooey!" I see you
haven't changed a bit.
C.W.
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wrong, then you do not go flaunting it in places that it will get you in
trouble. a black person doesn't go to a kkk meeting and say "i am black,
and i want to be equal." because he will likely be lynched or beat. for the
same reason an atheist, even though there is nothing wrong with him, does
not go somewhere in which he would be discriminated against and proclaim his
atheism. just because fools like you think its wrong does not mean it is.
--
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>YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to my
>orrigional
>question that seems to now bother you.
>
>Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
>detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
>something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
>polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
>
>Ed.......................................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>
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Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
|YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to my
|orrigional
|question that seems to now bother you.
Why do you think that the question bothers me? It bothers me as much as the
question "People who smoke pot withdraw from society, why is that?" And I
answered: People have many misconcieved notions about people who smoke
marijuana. Most think that that are lazy druggies who rob to keep their
habit, and are a burden on society (not to mention that it'l illegal for no
good reason)
|Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
|detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG,
So in the 60's you would think that being black was wrong, or being a Jew
before WWII? I'm afraid to say that your wrong, Ed. Just because society
thinks something is wrong, it hardly means that it is. It just means that
there are such strong stereotypes about it that people (including yourself)
can't look past them, and see whats really there. Most recently we are
seeing it in the drug wart against the people of this country.
|Now what is this
|something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
|polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
I have answered your question, but you seem to think there is more to it.
Care to fill me in?
|Ed.......................................(Oldguyteck) †
-=THC=-
Andrew Bean
> I have no problem with the atheist that are atheist in the sense that they
> JUST do not believe, it's the militant ones that concerne us. The ones that
> are always on the attack against the church, and what it stands for.
> At first, I myselfe thought atheism was just that, a non-beliefe HOWEVER
> after comming here to this news-group I see a completely different aspect of
> atheism.
> And I will add here, it's not good.
>
> Ed.....................................(Oldguyteck) İ
Thats perhaps a little better. Keep in mind that you cant generalize
about any group. There are militant atheists, and there are non militant
atheists. I dont have any statistics to back it up, but I would bet that
most atheists are NOT militant, and are content to not believe, and not
be forced to believe. Remember that you are drawing conclusions from
Usenet discussion, which does not represent society at large. After all,
if every Christian was like some of the people that come in here, the
Christian church probably would have collapsed a long time ago. Most
Christians I have met are nice people, and I am content to let them
believe whatever they want, as long as they dont hurt themselves or
anyone else.
Andrew
rando...@baawa.orgdontspamme
seems like you are. i answered you're question in my message a few messages
ago.
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Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>
>Brian Westley wrote in message ...
>>"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> writes:
>>...
>>>YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to
my
>>>orrigional
>>>question that seems to now bother you.
>>
>>>Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
>>>detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
>>>something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
>>>polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
>>
Keith Brannen
>
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> want a job, or
>
> I want to run for president ?
>
> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
> hiding] ?
LOL!
Which society are you talking about, Ed? You do
realise that your little neck of the woods isn't
the whole world, don't you?
Anyhow, Ed, I think you'll be surprised by the following:
From the site:
http://www.tceplus.com/different.htm
In my neck of the woods:
"Asked whether they would vote for a government leader
who was either an evangelical Christian, a Muslim or an
atheist, a large majority of the Canadians would accept
any of the three. When those responses were broken down by
religion, each of the hypothetical nominees got at least
50-per-cent support across the board - except for the highly
committed evangelical Christians who turned thumbs down on
the atheist."
In your neck of the woods:
"Most Americans would vote for an evangelical Christian
president and, in spite of the Gulf War, well over half
would cast their ballots for a Muslim. Not so for an atheist,
who would get just 43 per cent of respondents' support. Only
the highly committed Evangelicals gave the Muslim less than
50 per cent. But the atheist was soundly rejected by Evangelicals,
the mainline Protestants and the highly committed Catholics."
43 per cent in the USA! Sounds pretty close to social
acceptance to me. Just give it a few more years (the above
came from a 1996 survey).
To answer your question, the fault lies with the
religious. The more fanatical you get, the less tolerant
you get, even of other religions.
--
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#713
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Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>
>Andrew Bean wrote in message <366700...@Spamerdiediehotmail.com>...
>>Oldguyteck wrote:
>>>
>>> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>>
>>> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist)
>and I
>>> want a job, or
>>>
>>> I want to run for president ?
>>>
>>> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) Ý [what are they
>>> hiding] ?
>>
>>People as scared of stuff they dont understand. For a lot of Christians,
>>atheism stands pretty far outside their understanding (or they'd be
>>atheists). Its simply safer to hide atheism, than to make yourself an
>>instant target to folks who see themselves as "gods avenger" or some
>>such thing. I mean, hey, YOU cant seem to accept atheism, can you?
>>
>>Andrew
>
>I have no problem with the atheist that are atheist in the sense that they
>JUST do not believe, it's the militant ones that concerne us. The ones that
>are always on the attack against the church, and what it stands for.
>At first, I myselfe thought atheism was just that, a non-beliefe HOWEVER
>after comming here to this news-group I see a completely different aspect
of
>atheism.
>And I will add here, it's not good.
>
>Ed.....................................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>
Eric Means
>
>JUST do not believe, it's the militant ones that concerne us. The ones that
>are always on the attack against the church, and what it stands for.
>At first, I myselfe thought atheism was just that, a non-beliefe HOWEVER
>after comming here to this news-group I see a completely different aspect
of
>atheism.
>And I will add here, it's not good.
My, you are an idiot. You come here, to *our* ng, spouting all the bullshit
Xian tripe that we've all heard eight million times before, and you wonder
why we don't greet you with loving smiles. Incidentally, you've indirectly
proven that it *is* a safe, non-belief. After all, in order to *find* any
of your "militant" atheists, you had to come here. We neither seek you out
in your own ng's, nor in real life . . . so who's *really* militant?
rando...@baawa.orgdontspamme
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Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>
>DarkAngel wrote in message <3666E3CF...@BAAWA.org>...
>>Oldguyteck wrote:
>>
>>> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>>
>>> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist)
>and I
>>> want a job, or
>>>
>>> I want to run for president ?
>>>
>>> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) ? [what are they
>>> hiding] ?
>>
Oldguyteck
Andrew Bean wrote in message <366704...@Spamerdiediehotmail.com>...
>Oldguyteck wrote:
>>
>> Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>> >On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>> >
>> >>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>> >
>> >Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
>> >difficult concept to grasp?
>> >
>> >Red Celt
>> >#883
>>
>> Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>> You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
>>
>> We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
>>
>> What is your take on Madlyne O'Hare ? Have you heard any more about her
?
>>
>
>ha hAHaHA ha haHah a
>
>thats great. Its OUR country, dude. Ever heard of the first ammendment?
>Freedom of religion?
>Could this be an expression of fear? That maybe you, warm, loving,
>caring Christians, like yourself, will no longer be in control? The USA
>is no longer a white bread, small town, "Christian" nation, and I think
>its time you got over the fact. Its people like you that cause us to
>hide our atheism. Why dont politicians proclaim atheism? Well could have
>something to do with:
>
>We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens
>
>Sounds like folks like you couldnt accept an atheist as a political
>leader, no matter how good he might be, after all
>
>We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens
>
>Isnt that right?
>
>All your points have been answered in previous posts in this thread.
>You, however, cannot accept the answers for what they are. What do you
>expect?
>
>Andrew
I not only expect, but DEMAND (THE TRUTH) !
Ed........................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
Paul J. Koeck wrote in message <3666F28E...@Byte.Me.Com>...
>
>
>Oldguyteck wrote:
>>
>> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>
and I
>> want a job, or
>>
>> I want to run for president ?
>>
>> hiding] ?
>
>Because the atheist would very likely be risking his/her life.
>You xians are not known throughout history for being at all
>tolerant of different POVs.
>
>
providing however they are not directly a threat to us.
Most of what I do see here in this particular news-group are vile and
unwarranted attacks towards theist in general..... I know the general
concensus is O if the damnd theist wouldnt shove their drivel down our
throats, we would be civilized.
I for one do not shove theology down anyones throat, however I am ready to
defend these unwarranted slurs and attacks simply by reminding you that ,
that tatctic is only used by those of a low self esteem and calibre.
Why do you suppose I do not retort with the same kind of childish abuse ?
Could it just possibly be that I think enough of my self and those arround
me not to do so. And YES I do give creedance to the fact I am a theist, and
as a good (hopefully) Christian, I would at least set a good example and not
have to resort to name calling, putting down, if you will etc, curseing and
cussing.
Even so, I am called names unbecomming.............Well, what can I say !
I happen to be against swearing, and profanities and so on, so I guess here
it automatically makes me the (bad-guy) or (oldfart) as I am often called.
Ed..............................(Oldguyteck) †
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Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>
>Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>><snip>
>>
>>Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
>>difficult concept to grasp?
>>
>>Red Celt
>>#883
>
>Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
>
>We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
>
>What is your take on Madlyne O'Hare ? Have you heard any more about her ?
>
>Ed............................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>
rando...@baawa.orgdontspamme
"the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
on the Christian Religion...". Abraham Lincoln stated, "The Bible is not my
book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the
long complicated statements of Christian dogma." found at
http://www.california.com/~rpcman/4TH.HTM
Stefan C. F.
>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
>want a job, or
>
>I want to run for president ?
>
>Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
>hiding] ?
>
Because atheists have been painted as evil people in 200 years of
negative propaganda. Should I be ashamed that I don’t believe in your
God? Is that what you’re getting at? I’m not, but I certainly do try
to hide it from anyone who isn’t close to me. Why, you ask?
Look at it this way: If you were in Iran, would you walk down the
streets proclaiming your Christianity? Why not? Is there something
wrong with it for you to be ashamed of? Or maybe you’d just be scared
of the so called "good religious people" like I am.
True story: A minister was handing out fliers outside the grocery
store inviting people to a new church in the neighborhood. I refused
it, saying my attendance would not be appropriate, as politely as
possible. He pressed me, asking why? I told him flat out I was an
atheist and he spat on the ground screaming that not only was I going
to burn in Hell, but if it were still allowed he’d be eager to send me
and all my Satan worshipping buddies there all the sooner.
Maybe that’s your point here... You’re asking why we should believe as
we do, when so many good and loving Christians would kill us if they
had the chance. You’re asking why we don’t buckle to societal
pressure and just give ourselves over to the mob rule... Going back to
the Iran scenario, would you? Would you abandon all you think and
believe just because the majority of people would hate, hurt or kill
you for it?
I don’t believe in any supernatural things like God, and I refuse to
be ashamed of that fact. As for proclaiming it, why should I? Does
it really matter so deeply to you? Would you fire someone if you
found out he didn’t believe in your God? Would you disown and revile
your children? Would you look the other way if someone you knew was
going to go and lynch an atheist, as so many have done with Ku Klux
Klan members?
I’m a human being, and my lack of belief has no bearing on that. It
shouldn’t affect your opinion of me, either. If it does, that is
called bigotry whether you admit it or not.
Stefan C. F.
Half Moon Entertainment, Inc.
Jessica M. Wolfman
>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
Because we're still in the minority, and several major religions say that we're
evil. And the majority of those people belong to those religions/
>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
>want a job, or
>
>I want to run for president ?
>
>Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
>hiding] ?
>
>
>
>
Jessica Wolfman
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>|orrigional
>|question that seems to now bother you.
>
>
>question "People who smoke pot withdraw from society, why is that?" And I
>answered: People have many misconcieved notions about people who smoke
>marijuana. Most think that that are lazy druggies who rob to keep their
>habit, and are a burden on society (not to mention that it'l illegal for no
>good reason)
>
>|detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG,
>
>before WWII? I'm afraid to say that your wrong, Ed. Just because society
>thinks something is wrong, it hardly means that it is. It just means that
>there are such strong stereotypes about it that people (including yourself)
>can't look past them, and see whats really there. Most recently we are
>seeing it in the drug wart against the people of this country.
>
>|something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
>|polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
>
>Care to fill me in?
>
>|Ed.......................................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>
>-=THC=-
>
You answered it as I would expect you to answer. And that is to YOUR own
satisfaction
Is this just you or could it be a practiced atheist thing. I do remember
some atheist here in the NG telling others to go to a certain webbsite and
read how to ANSWER the theist, hmmmmm kinda wounder about it now.
Ed..............................(Oldguyteck) †
Brian Westley
>>"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> writes:
>>...
>>>YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to my
>>>orrigional
>>>question that seems to now bother you.
>>
>>>something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
>>>polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
>>
>>accepted. Now when will you honestly start addressing your
>>religious bigotry, or will you dance around it?
>Who! who! there, just a minute here!. Atheism hasnt been accepted in nearly
>2000 years, what makes you think now, with all your hullabaloo, anything is
>going to change that ?
Hey, same goes with Judaism and being black. But
again this just shows that you support bigotry as
long as it's majortarian.
>And I posed a ligitamate question, not to have the ball bounced back into my
>court, BUT answered. So far all I see is skirting the issue and grabbing at
>straws.
On your part, yes.
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Oldguyteck
rando...@baawa.orgDONTSPAMME wrote in message ...
>and another thing, i've heard that abe lincoln was not christian, i quote,
>"the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
>on the Christian Religion...". Abraham Lincoln stated, "The Bible is not my
>book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the
>long complicated statements of Christian dogma." found at
>http://www.california.com/~rpcman/4TH.HTM
Shure! And Clinton said he didnt inhale, so whats your point! ?
Ed......................(Oldguyteck) †
>
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>Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>>
>>Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
Oldguyteck
Red Foster wrote in message ...
>In article <TMB92.110$hQ3.3...@newshog.newsread.com>, "Oldguyteck"
><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
>... Now back to the orrigional question
>>of
>>why do YOU have to hide your atheism.......surely you can come up with a
>>better response than the one you just used.
>
>
>don't have to hide my atheism, and I don't.
>
>Your original question was "Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and
>many religions are ? In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim
>(I'm an atheist) and I want a job, or I want to run for president ?"
>
answers.
>
>Red
And NOW are you going to DEMAND I like or accept the answers you folks are
giving me, when in fact you have been subbing situational answers, only to
side step the ACTUAL reasons, and in doing so keep me in the dark (so to
speak)
You are correct, I do not like the answers, because they are not addressing
the point of my question. If and when ;you do, I'll be the first to inform
you.
Slavery, is not attacking our church, its past is no emmenent threat ither
to you or to us.
Now lets get down to the nitty gritty, and hopefully we will be getting some
USEFULL answers to the question, and for those of you who cannot address it
without going off the deep end. just let it go, I will not hold it against
you.
Lets also stay with current issues.
Ed.............................(Oldguyteck) †
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Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
|You answered it as I would expect you to answer. And that is to YOUR own
|satisfaction
|Is this just you or could it be a practiced atheist thing. I do remember
|some atheist here in the NG telling others to go to a certain webbsite and
|read how to ANSWER the theist, hmmmmm kinda wounder about it now.
Sorry if my answer does not fit your mold, or your satiscation, but those
are the breaks in a society where (most) everyone thinks for themselves.
|Ed..............................(Oldguyteck) †
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|I not only expect, but DEMAND (THE TRUTH) !
You can't handle the truth.
|Ed........................(Oldguyteck) †
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Ed, I have already answered your question, now stop trolling.
-=THC=-
Karl E. Taylor
>
> Paul J. Koeck wrote in message <3666F28E...@Byte.Me.Com>...
> >
> >
> >Oldguyteck wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist)
> and I
> >> want a job, or
> >>
> >> I want to run for president ?
> >>
> >> hiding] ?
> >
> >You xians are not known throughout history for being at all
> >tolerant of different POVs.
> >
> >
> I don't suscribe to that. We are very tolerant of different points of view,
> providing however they are not directly a threat to us.
>
example you set while doing it. Tell me OldFart, just what kind of
threat where the men and women killed as witches to the church? Since
most of them were old and not very powerful.
>
> Most of what I do see here in this particular news-group are vile and
> unwarranted attacks towards theist in general..... I know the general
> concensus is O if the damnd theist wouldnt shove their drivel down our
> throats, we would be civilized.
>
look for the bad, so that's all you see. How pathetic your life is.
>
> I for one do not shove theology down anyones throat, however I am ready to
> defend these unwarranted slurs and attacks simply by reminding you that ,
> that tatctic is only used by those of a low self esteem and calibre.
>
why do you insist on preaching in an atheist news group?
>
> Why do you suppose I do not retort with the same kind of childish abuse ?
>
>
> Could it just possibly be that I think enough of my self and those arround
> me not to do so. And YES I do give creedance to the fact I am a theist, and
> as a good (hopefully) Christian, I would at least set a good example and not
> have to resort to name calling, putting down, if you will etc, curseing and
> cussing.
>
the level of childish activity. Tell us dipshit, do you know what
wisdom is?
>
> Even so, I am called names unbecomming.............Well, what can I say !
> I happen to be against swearing, and profanities and so on, so I guess here
> it automatically makes me the (bad-guy) or (oldfart) as I am often called.
>
what your spell book of myth says? Geeee, don't you like being just
like your myth?
>
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OldFart, you are a fool.
Darwin
>Sure. But Britain isn't dominated by atheism. I think a recent survey
>showed that 70% of people still believe in God. And yet atheism isn't a
>stigma here.
I have noticed that myself. I know Richard Dawkins, an atheist who
teaches at Oxford University, is quite vocal and never hesitates to
proudly proclaim that he is an atheist.
On the other hand, look at America's Stephen Jay Gould, who is also an
atheist. He is much less confrontational, and often does what he can
to appease religion.
Why is that?
>
>I think you've answered your own question. What is stigmatised and what
>isn't is constructed by society. In America, atheism is stigmatised. In
>Britain, it isn't. In North Korea, belief in Communism isn't stigmatised;
>in America, belief in Capitalism isn't, etc etc etc.
>
>And how does society make its decisions on what groups are stigmatised?
>
>I'm obviously oversimplifying - you could write books on this topic - but
>I'd suggest that the size of such groups is a key factor. In any society,
>the "few" are often discriminated against by the "many". I'm fortunate
>enough to live in a country where the "few" (with regards to atheism) are
>not so few that this can really happen. You're unfortunate enough not
>to.[1]
>
>Answer your question?
This is a good answer to the old guy's question. Society has norms
that people are expected to follow, and it seems that being religious
is one of those norms here in America. I used to write for my
college's newspaper when we had an atheist editor, and I quite
vehemently attacked religion and said pretty much whatever I wanted.
Then the editor graduated and a Christian took over, and can you guess
what happened? Suddenly I am relieved of my position and a religious
writer gets free reign to say whatever he wants.
If one is employed with the federal government, one is not allowed to
express one's views on religion. Period. This is done in order to
protect people from being 'offended.'
My personal opinion is that atheism is demonized by Christianity, and
since the majority of the U.S. population is Christian...it doesn't
take a nuclear physicist to figure that one out. In fact, I would
imagine that most religions demonize atheism because they fear it,
they do not know how to refute it on intellectual grounds so they do
all they can to shut us up.
Regardless of how you feel about Objectivism, you have to give Ayn
Rand credit on this one, she really nailed it. Faith and force are
often corollaries because there is no way to justify faith but by
force. If that means demonizing those without faith, then so be it.
I especially agree with your comment about the Jews. Why have they
always been persecuted throughout history, God's supposedly chosen
people? It is because you can find a rather small population of Jews
in just about every society, and they make for good scapegoats.
Darwin
Darwin
<edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
>Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>><snip>
>>
>>Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
>>difficult concept to grasp?
>>
>>Red Celt
>>#883
>
>Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
>
>We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
lol..I think this sums up the answer right here. Oldguy, you answered
your own question better than any of us could.
Irrational fear based on the senseless propaganda that a society
cannot remain moral without belief in a Deity of some sort.
Darwin
Darwin
>I not only expect, but DEMAND (THE TRUTH) !
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
lol.
Darwin
Darwin
wrote:
>and another thing, i've heard that abe lincoln was not christian, i quote,
>"the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
>on the Christian Religion...". Abraham Lincoln stated, "The Bible is not my
>book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the
>long complicated statements of Christian dogma." found at
>http://www.california.com/~rpcman/4TH.HTM
Yeah, don't forget Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, and George
Washington; all of which were Deists.
Darwin
Cabrutus
Oldguyteck <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote in article
<5bB92.95$hQ3.2...@newshog.newsread.com>...
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist)
and I
> want a job, or
>
> I want to run for president ?
http://www.infidels.org/misc/humor/lioaca.html
It's just that theists are told by their pastors that atheists cannot be
moral or trustworthy (of course, without any kind of scientific evidence to
back it up), so there's somewhat of a prejudice.
>
> Ed............................(Oldguyteck) † [what are they
> hiding] ?
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Oldguyteck wrote:
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
[I'm going to assume you're talking about "God-blessed America" here]
Whom are you blaming here? Or would answering that question reveal
a bias? If you answer that the former is at fault, and that the latter is
right
in not accepting atheism, then you've answered your question.
If you answer the latter, then your question is redundant.
Here's another question: Why does society *not* accept many religions?
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
> want a job, or
Erm, because the employer is a bigot?
> I want to run for president ?
Ehhh, 'cause the American electorate's an ignorant mob?
> [what are they hiding] ?
What are supposedly "tolerant" members of a so-called "free" society
hiding?
I certainly don't hide my lack of theism.
On the other hand, many xians I've met DO conceal their faith, or are
at least embarrassed to "come out" in a diverse group of people.
Wonder why? What are they hiding?
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Glenn Dwiggins
Oldguyteck wrote:
> I have no problem with the atheist that are atheist in the sense that they
> JUST do not believe, it's the militant ones that concerne us.
And now Mr. Teck begins speaking for some "us" out there. Is this the same as
"society"?
> The ones that are always on the attack against the church, and what it stands
> for.
Well, I'll always be on the attack against the church (Do you mean Catholic?
Please be explicit. Or are you a "big tent" xian?) when it stands for taking
over the government -- at least any more than it has already. I'll be on the
verbal attack against posters who smugly insist on telling me that there's
something wrong with me as an atheist, that I have some sort of psychological
disorder, that I'm being controlled by some guy named Satan, that I hate xians
because I disagree with their world view . . .
But I'm a bit smarter than that. See, I know the difference between "the
church," as you call it, and arrogant, pigheaded people with malfunctioning
logic circuits who make the above claims.
Where do you see yourself, Mr. Teck?
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Oldguyteck wrote in message <0rE92.71$QQ3.1...@newshog.newsread.com>...
>
>rando...@baawa.orgDONTSPAMME wrote in message ...
>>and another thing, i've heard that abe lincoln was not christian, i quote,
>>"the government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded
>>on the Christian Religion...". Abraham Lincoln stated, "The Bible is not
my
>>book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the
>>long complicated statements of Christian dogma." found at
>>http://www.california.com/~rpcman/4TH.HTM
>
>
>Shure! And Clinton said he didnt inhale, so whats your point! ?
>
>Ed......................(Oldguyteck) †
>>
>>--
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>>Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>>>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>>>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
>>>>difficult concept to grasp?
>>>>
>>>>Red Celt
>>>>#883
>>>
>>>Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>>>You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
>>>
>>>We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
>>>
kybern...@my-dejanews.com
"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
> Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
> You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
>
> We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
It's a shame. Atheists would probably be the only non-discriminatory party
that could be trusted to keep the squabbling religions seperated without
potential conflict of interest.
"You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness." Not to take
it out of context or anything, but I find this quote entertaining...
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Blade
>>>YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to
my
>>>orrigional
>>>question that seems to now bother you.
>>
>>>Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
>>>detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
>>>something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
>>>polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
<snip>
>Who! who! there, just a minute here!. Atheism hasnt been accepted in nearly
>2000 years, what makes you think now, with all your hullabaloo, anything is
>going to change that ?
>
>And I posed a ligitamate question, not to have the ball bounced back into
my
>court, BUT answered. So far all I see is skirting the issue and grabbing
at
>straws.
>
>Ed...............................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>
You seem to be assuming that just because you kind are in a large majority
in your country and can discriminate against atheists freely, that it is the
case in all countries. Not so! In England it just isn't a problem for me,
and I can tell who I like (job,girlfriend...etc.) with out any self riteous
bigot using it as an excuse to block my path through life. Now you go and
either catch up to the modern world along with others like you, and accept
science in total and stop fantasising about how important you are, or you
can refuse antibiotics, transplants, painkillers... etc.. which come from
practices you are obviously against!
Blade
change .con to demon<dot>co<dot>uk to send e-mail
My I feel better already
Red Celt
<edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
>Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>><snip>
>>
>>Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
>>difficult concept to grasp?
>>
>>Red Celt
>>#883
>
>Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
And the difference is?
>We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
Then the USA will continue to remain in the dark ages whilst the rest
of the civilised world shrugs off all the old superstitions and looks
to the future.
>What is your take on Madlyne O'Hare ? Have you heard any more about her ?
I'd never heard of her until a few months ago. I know very little
about her. What is the relevance? That an atheist can be corrupt? I
could counter that by listing some theists who are/were corrupt but I
can only do 60 words/minute and i have (at most) only another 50 years
left to live.
Red Celt
#883
A. O'Reilly
edward....@the-spa.com says...
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> want a job, or
>
Hmmm...perhaps because of the rabid fear many religions seem to have of
atheism...perhaps of the lies they are told about atheists (i.e. they're
agents of the devil!)...perhaps because many religious folk are
intolerant buttwipes...etc...
I'm quite lucky in that my Xian friends don't have a problem with my
atheism...however, I know other Xian redneck types who would probably try
to beat the love of Jesus into me (with their fists, ya see) if they knew
I was atheist.
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look for fools..." - DnC
A. O'Reilly
spa.com says...
> >Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
> >difficult concept to grasp?
> >
> >Red Celt
> >#883
>
> Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
> You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
It's the same reason you'd probably not vote for, say, a Muslim for
president....a well-mixed combination of fear, ignorance, intolerance,
and genuine stupidity. But don't worry, most people have one or more of
those to some degree...
> We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
Just blind sheep...tell me Oldguy, are ya a fan of Robert T. Lee? He's a
voice for killing the atheists lest America become godless!
DarkAngel
> How can you equate atheism to the Jews.
How about: we're both villified by ignorants?
> Now back to the orrigional question
> of
> why do YOU have to hide your atheism.......
Kind of a moot question... I don't hide my atheism. Everyone knows I'm an
atheist. In fact, if someone ever had the idea that I was a theist, I would
have to question their sense of observation (unless maybe they met me just a
few hours ago).
> surely you can come up with a
> better response than the one you just used
I thought my response was quite good. You ask stupid questions, you get stupid
answers.
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"To have arrived on this earth as a product of a biological accident,
only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
(R.Leakey, Origins; 1977)
cz...@ecn.ab.ca
: Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
Who is this "we", dumbfuck?
Ignorant peasants like yourself and most of your countrymen?
I'd wager I can name several on this newsgroup that would love to
see an atheist in the oval office.
(Almost typed "oval orifice" -- my Freudian slip is showing!)
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cz...@ecn.ab.ca
: How can you equate atheism to the Jews.
The fact that both are looked down upon, if not openly maligned and/or
persecuted, by your sort.
dave #1390
> |Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
> |
> |In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist)
and
> I
> |want a job, or
> |
> |I want to run for president ?
> |
> |hiding] ?
i am an atheist and i will be running for president in 2036
dave #1390
<912730315.1443.0...@news.demon.co.uk>...
> You seem to be assuming that just because you kind are in a large
majority
> in your country and can discriminate against atheists freely, that it is
the
> case in all countries. Not so! In England it just isn't a problem for me,
> and I can tell who I like (job,girlfriend...etc.) with out any self
riteous
> bigot using it as an excuse to block my path through life. Now you go and
> either catch up to the modern world along with others like you, and
accept
> science in total and stop fantasising about how important you are, or you
> can refuse antibiotics, transplants, painkillers... etc.. which come
from
> practices you are obviously against!
if i didnt plan on running for president of the united states in 2036, i
would consider moving to england or canada or australia..anything to get
away from pat robertson!..(but then hed probably have his little crusades
to "save the lost for jesus")
dave #1390
<TMD92.3$Mg....@newsfeed.slurp.net>...
> are you saying people 2,000 years ago new as much as people today? it
sure
> seems like you are. i answered you're question in my message a few
messages
> ago.
well, as you surely should know, the religion of science has only been
around since the *1500s*..you tell me whats more likely to be true!;)
about christianity being 2000 years old..why would god want to wait so
goddamn long for people to worship him?..speaking of worship, i was driving
by a church today on my way home from school and it said "WORSHIP: 9:30
am"..and it really just struck me as totally absurd..not that i havent
thought the need to worship a god to get into happyland isnt stupid, but
when i read it today, it really just hit me in the face like "jesus christ,
that is really stupid"
and why do christians sometimes say "would you rather be the creation of
god or related to monkeys?"..but, then i think how monkeys arent christians
dave #1390
<3666E485...@dragon.illusions.com>...
> Oldguyteck wrote:
> >
> > Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
> >
> > In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist)
and I
> > want a job, or
> >
> > I want to run for president ?
that sounds like pat robertson talk..it reminds me of this quote of
robertson on p. 174 of "the most dangerous man in america?" by robert
boston..this quote is about spotted owls:
"this is the idiocy of bureaucracy. you know, seriously, you're an owl,
you're sitting on a limb. that's where you live. okay, somebody cuts the
tree down. what are you going to do as a smart owl? you're going to go to
the next tree and set up house, right? i mean, they're not going to die on
you; they're just going to move to another tree. that's what owls do. can
you imagine the inconvenience and the trauma of having to move to another
tree? just think, an owl becomes an alcoholic--alcoholic owls! i mean, you
know, that's terrible. psychotic owl, roaming the woods. i mean, it's
nuts."
it doesnt have anything to do with the subject, but that doesnt matter..eds
quote reminded me of it..btw, anybody know what hes talking about with
alcoholic owls and psychotic owls?
> 1. It is, your blind.
> 2. Why is foul fucking language permitted in society. Used constantly,
> and one of the best damn basis of jokes by today's stand-up comics?
jesus christ, watch your fucking mouth
> Shit, I forgot, you don't like dirty words, so to you they are not
> acceptable. Well, gee, your religion is not acceptable to thinking
> people either.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!1111111..fundies are the *ONLY* thinking
people!11111111111111111..the rest of the world just imagine they
think!111111111111111111111..but without christ, nobody can
think!!!!!!!!!11111111111111..(people that dont really think include
non-fundie christians, btw)
dave #1390
> Oldguyteck wrote:
> > I don't suscribe to that. We are very tolerant of different points of
view,
> > providing however they are not directly a threat to us.
ok, if you are tolerant of different points of view:do you think gay
marriage should be legal or illegal?
dave #1390
<366704...@Spamerdiediehotmail.com>...
> Oldguyteck wrote:
> > Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
no, its discrimination
> > We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
what is so scary about "a pack of godless heathens?"..are you afraid they
wont allow any of your friends to pray and destroy churches?
dave #1390
> Oldguyteck (edward....@the-spa.com) wrote:
>
> : Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>
>
> Ignorant peasants like yourself and most of your countrymen?
>
> I'd wager I can name several on this newsgroup that would love to
> see an atheist in the oval office.
me and my black lesbian running-mate will win in a massive landslide in
2036..concentrating all our efforts outside the bible belt..complety
ignoring alabama and mississippi..barely a mention of tennesse, kentucky,
georgia and south carolina
with my black(or latino) lesbian running mate, i will receive all the:
BLACK or LATINO-VOTE(depending on which minority is the major-minority by
then)
GAY/LESBIAN VOTE
FEMALE VOTE
ATHEIST VOTE
how can i lose?!..i figure that is 60-to-65 percent of the vote!..just
imagine, the blacks or latinos will be energized to vote!..the gays and
lesbians will be energized to vote!..women will be energized to
vote!..atheists will be energized to vote!
(hopefully i run up against a fundie)
dave #1390
> Oldguyteck wrote:
> > I have no problem with the atheist that are atheist in the sense that
they
that
> > are always on the attack against the church, and what it stands for.
HOWEVER
> > after comming here to this news-group I see a completely different
aspect of
> > atheism.
> > And I will add here, it's not good.
a higher percentage of "militant-atheists" will come in to a newsgroup like
this than just plan atheists
neon...@hotmail.com
<edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>I not only expect, but DEMAND (THE TRUTH) !
>
>Ed........................(Oldguyteck) †
LOL.
You can't get to the truth with lies, sweetbuns.
Neon.
"The thought that your God loves me, scares me to death."
Therion T. Ware
>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
It is in many societies. Perhaps you mean "Why isn't atheism accepted
in American society?".
>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
>want a job, or
>
>I want to run for president ?
Probably for the same reason no black has yet become president, nor
any woman. But don't worry, you'll probably get there in the end.
--
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- attrib: Pauline Reage.
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tetrahydrocannabinol
dave #1390 wrote in message <01be1f56$c1a4bcc0$edf9c8d0@jbsaitpj>...
|me and my black lesbian running-mate will win in a massive landslide in
|2036..concentrating all our efforts outside the bible belt..complety
|ignoring alabama and mississippi..barely a mention of tennesse, kentucky,
|georgia and south carolina
|
|with my black(or latino) lesbian running mate, i will receive all the:
|BLACK or LATINO-VOTE(depending on which minority is the major-minority by
|then)
|GAY/LESBIAN VOTE
|FEMALE VOTE
|ATHEIST VOTE
|
|how can i lose?!..i figure that is 60-to-65 percent of the vote!..just
|imagine, the blacks or latinos will be energized to vote!..the gays and
|lesbians will be energized to vote!..women will be energized to
|vote!..atheists will be energized to vote!
|
|(hopefully i run up against a fundie)
I fit none of those demographics, but if you run on a platform that
advocates the legalization of drugs (assuming that they haven't been
legalized by then) I will vote for you too :P
neon...@hotmail.com
<edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>I not only expect, but DEMAND (THE TRUTH) !
>
>Ed........................(Oldguyteck) †
LOL.
You can't get to the truth with lies, Sweetbuns.
Neon.
Kalle Helenius
Oldguyteck <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote in message
news:NmE92.69$QQ3.1...@newshog.newsread.com...
>
>Red Foster wrote in message ...
>>In article <TMB92.110$hQ3.3...@newshog.newsread.com>, "Oldguyteck"
>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>
>>... Now back to the orrigional question
>>>of
>>>why do YOU have to hide your atheism.......surely you can come up with a
>>>better response than the one you just used.
>>
>>
>>Ed, that's not your orrigional question, but it is one I can answer: I
>>don't have to hide my atheism, and I don't.
>>
>>Your original question was "Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and
>>many religions are ? In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim
>>(I'm an atheist) and I want a job, or I want to run for president ?"
>>
>answers.
>>
>>Red
>
>And NOW are you going to DEMAND I like or accept the answers you folks are
>giving me, when in fact you have been subbing situational answers, only to
>side step the ACTUAL reasons, and in doing so keep me in the dark (so to
>speak)
What relevance has this question? Where are you going with this? Are you by
any chance trying to get us to say that we feel ashamed because we're
atheists? Or that because if we are not accepted in society as atheists,
that would somehow debunk atheism? Are you fucking serious? 500 or so years
ago it would have been death to go out and say that the earth was not the
center of the universe. Yet there were people who thought so. Which were
right? The idiots like you who held onto their dogma and set-in-stone
beliefs, or the ones who *knew* the *facts*?
>You are correct, I do not like the answers, because they are not addressing
>the point of my question. If and when ;you do, I'll be the first to inform
>you.
Translation: "I figured out a way to debunk atheism, but nobody's going
along with it. Sniff."
>Slavery, is not attacking our church, its past is no emmenent threat ither
>to you or to us.
Your church helped to perpetuate slavery. No going around it. In fact it is
still holding all it's followers in intellectual slavery, telling them what
to think, and when!
>Now lets get down to the nitty gritty, and hopefully we will be getting
some
>USEFULL answers to the question, and for those of you who cannot address it
>without going off the deep end. just let it go, I will not hold it against
>you.
Oh get off the high horse, will you? Like you have *any* fucking authority
over the matter of what kind of answers will be given. You can of course
defer, but that will make you look even more like the moron that you are.
>Lets also stay with current issues.
Eh? You haven't been current since 1942.
>Ed.............................(Oldguyteck) ?
>
Don't you have to be in church or something?
"If you can't be good, be careful" -D.A.D
kalle.h...@907.aldata.fi
Marko Sormunen
>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
>want a job, or
>I want to run for president ?
Ummm, because you live in the U.S., 'the land of the free' ?
Just kidding, why can't you? I can.
--
"The sun is not yellow, it's chicken"
-Bob Dylan
-Marko
Kalle Helenius
>>
>>Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
>>difficult concept to grasp?
>>
>>Red Celt
>>#883
>
I personally call it bigotry.
>We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
And to what lengths will you go to make sure this does not happen?
>What is your take on Madlyne O'Hare ? Have you heard any more about her ?
Who cares? I do not need a person on a pedestal to proclaim my thoughts to
me, i can very well think for myself, don't you know?
Kalle Helenius
>
>Andrew Bean wrote in message <366704...@Spamerdiediehotmail.com>...
>>Oldguyteck wrote:
>>>
>>> Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>>> >On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>>> ><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
<snipp>
>>All your points have been answered in previous posts in this thread.
>>You, however, cannot accept the answers for what they are. What do you
>>expect?
>>
>>Andrew
>
>I not only expect, but DEMAND (THE TRUTH) !
And you will no doubt reserve the right to tell everybody what THE TRUTH is.
You *have* been doing just that for centuries now.
David Shipley
> > |
> and
> > I
> > |want a job, or
> > |
> > |I want to run for president ?
> > |
> > |hiding] ?
>
> i am an atheist and i will be running for president in 2036
Why that year I wonder?
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>
> Allan Crossman wrote in message ...
> >
> >Oldguytech loudly cursed:
> >
> >> Why isn't atheism accepted in society, and many religions are ?
> >
> >Please say "some societies." Openly being an atheist in Britain is
> >certainly no problem, and I'd imagine the same's the case for a lot of
> >countries.
> >
> >Allan Crossman
> >----------------------------------------------
> >"I reject your argument, especially since it
> >isn't even a correct version of that fallacy."
>
> Whats your point, if your a commie, then if your in a communist country you
> could loudly boast that also...................
The UK is an atheist country? That's a good one Ed...
Pat Kiewicz
>
>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
>want a job,
The matter of religion should NEVER come up in a job interview (with the
force of law to back you up).
I am known to be an atheist by many people. I wouldn't pretend not to be.
I hope that I am a 'witness for atheism' and living proof that 'godless'
doesn't equate to 'immoral.'
>or
>
>I want to run for president ?
You think a Muslim could be elected president in this country?
Or a Buddhist?
Or a Wiccan?
Or a Jew?
Remember, until JFK, it was considered impossible for a Catholic to be elected
president. He lost votes because of his religion (but squeaked by Nixon).
Could an openly gay man be elected? Or a woman? Or someone non-white?
Maybe if enough time goes by, any or all of these will happen, just as
an Irish Catholic managed to be elected president.
Atheism may not be politically expedient in the USA, especially at the
national level, but neither are any number of other characteristics.
--
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Oldguyteck
dave #1390 wrote in message <01be1f54$8c173e40$edf9c8d0@jbsaitpj>...
Of course I being a Catholic, would have to answer unlawful, and furthermore
putting aside my religiouse view, I still do not suscribe to same sex
marriages.
Bear in mind the reason for this is I believe it is un natural and sinfull.
If I agreed with same sex marriages, I would then be going against my
teachings and of course my concience.
Ed.......................................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
rando...@baawa.orgDONTSPAMME wrote in message ...
>and another thing, i've heard that abe lincoln was not christian, i quote,
>"the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
>on the Christian Religion...". Abraham Lincoln stated, "The Bible is not my
>book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the
>long complicated statements of Christian dogma." found at
>http://www.california.com/~rpcman/4TH.HTM
>
>--
>Randomseed A.A #1366
>http://wwp.mirabilis.com/8562260
Funny you should fall back on Lincoln, Look what I read about him
On page 323 of A HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES
Daniel J. Bourstin & Brooks Mather Kelley
Prentice Hall.
Lincoln had magic in his speech with his slow backwards drawl,
useing the simple [words of the Bible], he uttered the wisdom of a
crackerbarrel philosopher. He sometimes told [slightly] vulgar jokes, and
yet he had the uplift power of a [First-class PREACHER]. He spoke way the
average man could imagine himself speaking.
Now this dosent sound like an atheist or Godless man to me.........
Ed...............................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
dave #1390 wrote in message <01be1f57$2d1f62c0$edf9c8d0@jbsaitpj>...
Now why would that be ?
I thought they just wanted to discuss things and mull over stuff.
Ed..............................(Oldguyteck) †
A. O'Reilly
edward....@the-spa.com says...
> Lincoln had magic in his speech with his slow backwards drawl,
> useing the simple [words of the Bible], he uttered the wisdom of a
> crackerbarrel philosopher. He sometimes told [slightly] vulgar jokes, and
> yet he had the uplift power of a [First-class PREACHER]. He spoke way the
> average man could imagine himself speaking.
>
> Now this dosent sound like an atheist or Godless man to me.........
>
> Ed...............................(Oldguyteck) †
Well, aside from the words filled-in within brackets, I see no reference
to anything Xian. Are you saying that in order to be a brilliant public
speaker one must be a theist? That's a laugh.
Not to brag, but I'm a pretty good speaker myself (by no means a Lincoln)
and bet I could stand in front of a church and give an uplifting account
of the power of Jeeeezus, so much so that they would think me sincere.
Oops, and I'm atheist too.
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look for fools..." - DnC
Oldguyteck
David Shipley wrote in message <3667C93D...@dshipley.demon.co.uk>...
>Oldguyteck wrote:
>>
>> Allan Crossman wrote in message ...
>> >
>> >Oldguytech loudly cursed:
>> >
>> >> Why isn't atheism accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>> >
>> >Please say "some societies." Openly being an atheist in Britain is
>> >certainly no problem, and I'd imagine the same's the case for a lot of
>> >countries.
>> >
>> >Allan Crossman
>> >----------------------------------------------
>> >"I reject your argument, especially since it
>> >isn't even a correct version of that fallacy."
>>
>> Whats your point, if your a commie, then if your in a communist country
you
>> could loudly boast that also...................
>
>The UK is an atheist country? That's a good one Ed...
I dont recall stating If your a commie in the UK, did I ?
It was meant to reffere to a country that is communistic.
Im beginning to note the easier the question posed to some of the atheist in
here, the more difficulty they seem to have with it, and also drag it out to
no end making a simple inquirey turn into something far more complicated
than it need be.
Ed.............(Oldguyteck) †
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I don't suscribe to that. We are very tolerant of different points of view,
> providing however they are not directly a threat to us.
>
> unwarranted attacks towards theist in general..... I know the general
> concensus is O if the damnd theist wouldnt shove their drivel down our
> throats, we would be civilized.
>
> I for one do not shove theology down anyones throat, however I am ready to
> defend these unwarranted slurs and attacks simply by reminding you that ,
> that tatctic is only used by those of a low self esteem and calibre.
>
> Why do you suppose I do not retort with the same kind of childish abuse ?
>
> Could it just possibly be that I think enough of my self and those arround
> me not to do so. And YES I do give creedance to the fact I am a theist, and
> as a good (hopefully) Christian, I would at least set a good example and not
> have to resort to name calling, putting down, if you will etc, curseing and
> cussing.
>
> Even so, I am called names unbecomming.............Well, what can I say !
> I happen to be against swearing, and profanities and so on, so I guess here
> it automatically makes me the (bad-guy) or (oldfart) as I am often called.
>
> Ed..............................(Oldguyteck) †
>
Hey dumbfuck, ever hear of the Spanish Inquesition. I don't beleive the
Cathlics in Spain were in any danger of being subjegated by the Jews there.
Or how about the Crudades? How were the muslims on their on land any threat
to the christians in Europe?
Beast
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"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
> Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
> In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and I
>
> I want to run for president ?
>
> hiding] ?
>
interview, and I figured if the idiot had the gall to ask my religious
orientation I didn't want to work for him anyway.
What do you go around with a big sign proclaiming your theism?
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
"dave #1390" <canad...@geocities.DONT.SEND.ME.SPAM.MAIL.com> wrote:
> cz...@ecn.ab.ca wrote in article <36676...@ecn.ab.ca>...
> > Oldguyteck (edward....@the-spa.com) wrote:
> >
> > : Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
> >
> > Who is this "we", dumbfuck?
> >
> > Ignorant peasants like yourself and most of your countrymen?
> >
> > I'd wager I can name several on this newsgroup that would love to
> > see an atheist in the oval office.
>
> 2036..concentrating all our efforts outside the bible belt..complety
> ignoring alabama and mississippi..barely a mention of tennesse, kentucky,
> georgia and south carolina
>
> with my black(or latino) lesbian running mate, i will receive all the:
> BLACK or LATINO-VOTE(depending on which minority is the major-minority by
> then)
> GAY/LESBIAN VOTE
> FEMALE VOTE
> ATHEIST VOTE
>
> how can i lose?!..i figure that is 60-to-65 percent of the vote!..just
> imagine, the blacks or latinos will be energized to vote!..the gays and
> lesbians will be energized to vote!..women will be energized to
> vote!..atheists will be energized to vote!
>
> (hopefully i run up against a fundie)
>
Let's hear your platform. If I like it I'll vote for you. Hell, I may even
help with your campaign.
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
> YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to my
> orrigional
> question that seems to now bother you.
>
> Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
> detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
> something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
> polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
>
> Ed.......................................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>
Your a fucking idiot teck, It detrimental because of bigots like you who
refuse to accept us just because we are not brainwashed like you. I have no
problem with theists who leave me alone and accept me as I am. Why can't you
and your theist brothen accept us as we are?
crazy...@my-dejanews.com
"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
> Brian Westley wrote in message ...
> >"Oldguyteck" <edward....@the-spa.com> writes:
> >...
> >>YES! detrimental, as you yourself just said, and this brings me BACK to my
> >>orrigional
> >>question that seems to now bother you.
> >
> >>Why would it be detrimental, usually when something along this line is
> >>detrimental, this flags there is something WRONG, Now what is this
> >>something WRONG can you honestly start addressing it or will you do the
> >>polka arround it, giving every other answer, but the correct one ?
> >
> >accepted. Now when will you honestly start addressing your
> >religious bigotry, or will you dance around it?
> >
> >---
> >Merlyn LeRoy
>
> Who! who! there, just a minute here!. Atheism hasnt been accepted in nearly
> 2000 years, what makes you think now, with all your hullabaloo, anything is
> going to change that ?
>
> And I posed a ligitamate question, not to have the ball bounced back into my
> court, BUT answered. So far all I see is skirting the issue and grabbing at
> straws.
>
> Ed...............................(Oldguyteck) †
>
There was a study done in 1974, cant remember who performed it but I've got
the book,and if you want the names I'll supply them. Anyway in 1974 a
conservitive estmate of athiests world wide was 21% of the population. Yes is
is a minority, but a rather large minority. In Asian countries it was as high
as 56% A MAJORITY. In Europe it was 11 to 15%. In the US it was 5 or 6%. I
think it was that low because at that time our society was too conservitive
and most athiests KNEW that bigots like you would hold it against them.
I'll bet that if a study was done today the percentage would be higher all
over the world, and much higher In the US.
Oldguyteck
tetrahydrocannabinol wrote in message <74851a$d62$1...@news.inc.net>...
>
>dave #1390 wrote in message <01be1f56$c1a4bcc0$edf9c8d0@jbsaitpj>...
>|me and my black lesbian running-mate will win in a massive landslide in
>|2036..concentrating all our efforts outside the bible belt..complety
>|ignoring alabama and mississippi..barely a mention of tennesse, kentucky,
>|georgia and south carolina
>|
>|with my black(or latino) lesbian running mate, i will receive all the:
>|BLACK or LATINO-VOTE(depending on which minority is the major-minority by
>|then)
>|GAY/LESBIAN VOTE
>|FEMALE VOTE
>|ATHEIST VOTE
>|
>|how can i lose?!..i figure that is 60-to-65 percent of the vote!..just
>|imagine, the blacks or latinos will be energized to vote!..the gays and
>|lesbians will be energized to vote!..women will be energized to
>|vote!..atheists will be energized to vote!
>|
>|(hopefully i run up against a fundie)
>
>advocates the legalization of drugs (assuming that they haven't been
>legalized by then) I will vote for you too :P
>
receiving from you.
Ed...........................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
dave #1390 wrote in message <01be1f56$c1a4bcc0$edf9c8d0@jbsaitpj>...
>> Oldguyteck (edward....@the-spa.com) wrote:
>>
>> : Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>>
>> Who is this "we", dumbfuck?
Those of us that are in opposition to just the stuff you printed in the
above line.
Now if you cannot respond without the vulgarities, don't bother.
Your only amuseing youself and showing your level of debaseness.
I dont feel it is called for.
Ed..........
>>
>> Ignorant peasants like yourself and most of your countrymen?
Are you saying, Only smart alek, foul mouths should be considered.?
Ed....................
>>
>> I'd wager I can name several on this newsgroup that would love to
>> see an atheist in the oval office.
You MUST mean several [atheist] . But of course that would hold to be so.
Ed...................
>
>me and my black lesbian running-mate will win in a massive landslide in
>2036..concentrating all our efforts outside the bible belt..complety
>ignoring alabama and mississippi..barely a mention of tennesse, kentucky,
>georgia and south carolina
>
>with my black(or latino) lesbian running mate, i will receive all the:
>BLACK or LATINO-VOTE(depending on which minority is the major-minority by
>then)
>GAY/LESBIAN VOTE
>FEMALE VOTE
>ATHEIST VOTE
>
>how can i lose?!..i figure that is 60-to-65 percent of the vote!..just
>imagine, the blacks or latinos will be energized to vote!..the gays and
>lesbians will be energized to vote!..women will be energized to
>vote!..atheists will be energized to vote!
>
>(hopefully i run up against a fundie)
Whomever wrote the above paragraph is a loser, before they get started.
Ed..........................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
dave #1390 wrote in message <01be1f55$88b38460$edf9c8d0@jbsaitpj>...
>Andrew Bean <andre...@Spamerdiediehotmail.com> wrote in article
>> Oldguyteck wrote:
>> > Now ask yourself WHY we do not want atheist running the country.
>
>
>> > We will not allow our country to become a pack of Godless heathens .
>
>wont allow any of your friends to pray and destroy churches?
>
So you do have an agenda !
Ed...............................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
Therion T. Ware wrote in message <3667986...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>
>in American society?".
>
>>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and
I
>>want a job, or
>>
>>I want to run for president ?
>
>any woman. But don't worry, you'll probably get there in the end.
What? No porno kings for office, or did you just forget to mention that.
Ed.............................(Oldguyteck) †
Oldguyteck
Kalle Helenius wrote in message <748i5s$e5q$1...@learnet.freenet.hut.fi>...>news:NFC92.27$QQ3....@newshog.newsread.com...
>>
>>Red Celt wrote in message <3668f4f5...@news.nildram.co.uk>...
>>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>>
>>>Because theists discriminate against atheists. Is that such a
>>>difficult concept to grasp?
>>>
>>>Red Celt
>>>#883
>>
>>You call it discrimination, we rightfully call it rightousness.
>
>
>
Hopefully at THE POLLS.
Ed............................(Oldguyteck) †
>
>>What is your take on Madlyne O'Hare ? Have you heard any more about her ?
>
>Who cares? I do not need a person on a pedestal to proclaim my thoughts to
>me, i can very well think for myself, don't you know?
>
>
maff91
wrote:
>
>>Sure. But Britain isn't dominated by atheism. I think a recent survey
>>showed that 70% of people still believe in God. And yet atheism isn't a
>>stigma here.
>
>I have noticed that myself. I know Richard Dawkins, an atheist who
>teaches at Oxford University, is quite vocal and never hesitates to
>proudly proclaim that he is an atheist.
>
>On the other hand, look at America's Stephen Jay Gould, who is also an
>atheist. He is much less confrontational, and often does what he can
>to appease religion.
>
>Why is that?
It was the English civil war. It changed the society forever.
Eccentricity began to be tolerated and the establishment became adapt
at compromising before situations became confrontational.
"World Turned Upside Down : Radical Ideas During the English
Revolution (Penguin History) by Christopher Hill - Paperback Reprint
edition (December 1991) Viking Pr; ISBN: 0140137327
[snip]
*****************************************************
"Science is the true theology" -- Thomas Paine
(as quoted in Emerson: The Mind on Fire page 153)
"The Age of Paine" by Jon Katz
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.05/paine.html
*****************************************************
Oldguyteck
fabracation?
Ed................................(Oldguyteck) †
A. O'Reilly wrote in message ...
Eric Means
replaced with that xian crap. For all we know, the quote reads
"..using the simple LANGUAGE OF THE COMMON PEOPLE . . ."
And as for having the "uplift power of a [First-Class PREACHER]", that
doesn't imply religiousness, just a facility at speaking that rivals the
admittedly fiery and often rousing rhetoric of a preacher. It praises the
*way* the message was delivered, not the content. Jackass.
Oldguyteck wrote in message ...
Eric Means
>>news:NFC92.27$QQ3....@newshog.newsread.com...
>>>
?
Incidentally, if you're talking about Madelyn Murray O'Hare, you might want
to check your references. Like, try this *XIAN* site for the truth.
http://homer.span.ch/~spaw2742/xficfac.htm
Therion T. Ware
<edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
>Therion T. Ware wrote in message <3667986...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>
>>It is in many societies. Perhaps you mean "Why isn't atheism accepted
>>in American society?".
>>
>>>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and
>I
>>>want a job, or
>>>
>>>I want to run for president ?
>>
>>Probably for the same reason no black has yet become president, nor
>>any woman. But don't worry, you'll probably get there in the end.
>
>What? No porno kings for office, or did you just forget to mention that.
You think women and blacks are analogous to porno kings... That's very
Catholic of you, I must say.
A. O'Reilly
edward....@the-spa.com says...
> Are you inferring we classify everything every president said is a lie, or
> fabracation?
>
> Ed................................(Oldguyteck) †
No, I'm saying that the only references to anything religious in your
quote were in brackets, which generally implies paraphrasing or somesuch.
Furthermore, I will take a direct quote from Lincoln over someone's
secondhand view of the man.
I was also attacking the view that just because someone can give an
uplifting speech, that they are somehow filled with the spirit. I can
motivate my office team to do some great things, but the only spirit in
me regarding that is the fact I like my team and I like my paycheck.
Craig M
<edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>
>Therion T. Ware wrote in message <3667986...@news.demon.co.uk>...
>>On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:36:08 -0000, "Oldguyteck"
>><edward....@the-spa.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Why isn't atheisim accepted in society, and many religions are ?
>>
>>It is in many societies. Perhaps you mean "Why isn't atheism accepted
>>in American society?".
>>
>>>In other words, why can't an atheist proudly proclaim (I'm an atheist) and
>I
>>>want a job, or
>>>
>>>I want to run for president ?
>>
>>Probably for the same reason no black has yet become president, nor
>>any woman. But don't worry, you'll probably get there in the end.
>
>What? No porno kings for office, or did you just forget to mention that.
>
>Ed.............................(Oldguyteck) †
What *is* it that goes on in your fucked-up little mind?
Red Celt
#883