Re: For those in denial that it's a baby

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <3j9qi853pbj72qoe7...@4ax.com>,
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:01:20 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <hlwdjsd2-7E6AE8...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that state that
> >> >Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the democrats in
> >> >congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. UN "laws" are
> >> nothing more than a joke. It has no authority under our Constitution.
> >>
> >> But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything that
> >> strikes his whim.
> >
> >Stop lying.
>
> In what way exactly?
>
> The current White house occupant is an idiot in every sense of the
> word, and the UN has no authority to do anything beyond ask nicely.

The second part is true.

The first part is either a lie or a complete delusion.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Jason]

In article <kgkaq2$7od$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/27/2013 12:03 AM, SkyEyes wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 10:45 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <b38763dc-d2b9-4d5b-b6de-edd5b1bcc...@o5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> >>
> >> Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 27 Feb, 03:35, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>>> In article <pan.2013.02.27.01.05.15.813...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
> >>
> >>>> <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, =A0wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:02:42 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
> >>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-7E2B40.04024226022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>> In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs60q9lbast2ec3q...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
> >>>>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D.22394625022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb773iu7qin3v4tou...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:48:45 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.u=
> >>> k>
> >>>>>>>>>> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >>>>>>>>>> <fwu6x61ujj4w.jkgv48437e80$....@40tude.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:40:09 -0500, Attila wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:41:57 +0000, "Alex W."
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <u382d6l8nke5$.145iw7a9xi45y....@40tude.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:36:14 -0500, Attila wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:35:27 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-D67A1B.01352723022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <1u0hi8pme4nekn8o88msgepn9rdvkgq...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UN "Peacekeepers" serve at the discretion of the nation t=
> >>> hat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provides
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the troops, and those troops can be pulled out by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing nation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at any time.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just don't get the attitude that having US soldier serve
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the UN
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flag is some kind of travesty and tragedy, but we see nothi=
> >>> ng
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the soldiers of other nations doing it.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because that is up to the nation involved.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That kind of arrogance is why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're so popular, even among our allies.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant. =A0I am totally against Americans being under t=
> >>> he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> orders of any non-American for any reason at any time for a=
> >>> ny
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the troops and their generals in Iraq and Afghanista=
> >>> n
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are mighty glad that you're not in command bcause without suc=
> >>> h
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, you'd have to face that mess all by your lonesom=
> >>> e.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention NATO .....
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> NATO troops can be removed by the providing countries at any
> >>>>>>>>>>>> time. The are not required to remain.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Plus NATO is not the UN.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Still, it has US troops fighting under foreign commanders.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am not saying it doesn't happen. =A0I am saying it should not
> >>>>>>>>>> happen.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> Why not?
> >>
> >>>>>>>> I do not and will not support American troops being lead by foreign
> >>>>>>>> commanders.
> >>
> >>>>>>> Why not?
> >>
> >>>>>> Because I don't want Americans commanded by anyone but Americans.
> >>
> >>>>> It worked quite well in WWII (both ways). What have you got against it?
> >>
> >>>> We are not presently involved in a world war so I am not in favor of it
> >>>> happening.
> >>
> >>>> I was a fan of a young soldier named Michael New. He was a USA
soldier an=
> >>> d
> >>>> refused to obey an order to become a U.N. peacekeeper. He was given a
> >>>> court marshall.
> >>
> >>> Was he ordered to become a UN Peacekeeper? No. His entire unit was
> >>> ordered to support the UN in Macedonia. The USA is part of the UN.
> >>
> >>> He refused this direct order to be part of the UN Peacekeeping forces
> >>> on the basis of his oath to defend the USA from enemies both foreign
> >>> and domestic.
> >>
> >>> Surely working with the UN in Macedonia would of allowed him to honour
> >>> that oath on a much wider scale?
> >>
> >>> All he was required to do was wear the colours of the UN Peacekeepers,
> >>> and accept orders from his superior officers in Macedonia.
> >>
> >>> The fact that those officers were not American citizens shouldn't have
> >>> been a problem.
> >>
> >>> Think about it, how many Americans are indigenous to America? In other
> >>> words pure blooded Americans. Very, very few indeed, and even those
> >>> have roots in another land.
> >>
> >> I don't believe any American member of the military should have to take
> >> orders from anyone that is NOT a member of the American military--such as
> >> the US Marines. That is the reason I was a fan of an American soldier
> >> named Michael New. I also don't believe American soldiers should have to
> >> wear the colours of the UN Peacekeepers. He was court marshalled for
> >> disobeying a direct order to become a UN peacekeeper and to wear their
> >> colours.
> >
> > Good. I hope he did 20 years of hard labor for his gross
> > insubordination.
> >
> > Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
> > BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> > EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> > skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> > skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
> >
> Take the case of Michael New. In 1995, Spec-4 Michael New was serving
> with the 1/15 Battalion of the 3rd infantry Division of the U.S. Army
> at Schweinfurt, Germany. When assigned as part of a multi-national
> peacekeeping mission about to be deployed to Macedonia, Spec-4 New and
> the other soldiers in his unit were ordered to wear United Nations
> (U.N.) Helmets and arm bands. New refused the order, contending that
> it was an illegal order. New's superiors disagreed. Ultimately, so did
> the court-martial panel. New was found guilty of disobeying a lawful
> order and sentenced to a bad conduct discharge. The Army Court of
> Criminal Appeals upheld the conviction, as did the Court of Appeals of
> the Armed Forces.
>
> http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders_2.htm
>
> A Google search on keywords "michael new" returns several relevant
> links to right wing sites that claim New is a patriot who disobeyed an
> unlawful order signed by President Bill Clinton. If New had refused to
> obey that order under Bush II, the same sites would no doubt smear him
> as a commie liberal fag.

I still would have taken Michael New's side. Michael New was 100% correct.
The order that he was given was an illegal order. I would feel the same
way if Bush2 or Reagan had given that order to him.

[Jason]

In article
<d0279cfc-3aaa-4ce7...@pl9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Feb 26, 8:25=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <hlwdjsd2-DE9D79.18570126022...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-2602131435430...@66-53-213-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocgsfkrirj2ocvcvf...@4ax.com>, Attila
> > > > <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> > > > > alt.abortion with message-id
> > > > > <Jason-2502132223120...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote=
> :
> >
> > > > > >In article <6clni8d97l147vte71hrvs2tr9li4tj...@4ax.com>, Attila
> > > > > ><<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.u=

> k> in
> > > > > >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > >> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0kb7j....@40tude.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W."

> >
> > <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > >> >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > >> >> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$....@40tude.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason=
> ) in
> > > > > >> >>>> alt.abortion with message-id
> > > > > >> >>>> <Jason-2202132206120...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>=
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >>>>>If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we continue to
> > give them
> > > > > >> >>>>>millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
> >
> > > > > >> >>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a formal
> > structure
> > > > > >> >>>> in which nations can act in unison in various situations.
> > It has no
> > > > > >> >>>> actual =A0power other than what is provided by it's members=
> who are
> > > > > >> >>>> willing to provide that power.
> >
> > > > > >> >>>It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city of Ne=
> w
> > > > > >> >>>York spends on education every year.
> >
> > > > > >> >>>Through its specialised agencies, it also does some actual an=
> d
> > > > > >> >>>valuable work. =A0The Food and Agricultural Organization work=
> s to
> > > > > >> >>>enable humanity to feed itself by improving nutrition and
> > > > > >> >>>agriculture. =A0The International Civil Aviation Organization=
> is
> > > > > >> >>>absolutely necessary for intenational air travel, and the
> > > > > >> >>>International Maritime Organization does the same for sea tra=
> vel.
> > > > > >> >>>A similar vital function is undertaken by the International
> > > > > >> >>>telecommunicaiton Union which enables international telephone
> > > > > >> >>>communication, and by extension the internet. =A0And so on --=
> there
> > > > > >> >>>are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which global tr=
> ade,
> > > > > >> >>>transport and communication would be unthinkable.
> >
> > > > > >> >> Fine. =A0These are mostly political and diplomatic venues
> > through which
> > > > > >> >> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common goals=
> . =A0That
> > > > > >> >> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic struc=
> ture.
> >
> > > > > >> >That is so.
> > > > > >> >The main point of my post was to offer some more information on
> > > > > >> >the actual work of the UN and its impact on the lives of all
> > > > > >> >humanity (including Americans). =A0Jason is typical of those wh=
> o
> > > > > >> >are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities or funding.
> >
> > > > > >> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by t=
> he US.
> >
> > > > > >> >> It does not provide a military command structure nor does it =
> provide
> > > > > >> >> troops or material.
> >
> > > > > >> >Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when right-wing
> > > > > >> >nutcases start blathering on about UN conspiracies to take over
> > > > > >> >America...
> > > > > >> >;-)
> >
> > > > > >> Politically, many of the members would love to do just that.
> >
> > > > > >Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that sta=
> te that
> > > > > >Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the democrats =

> in
> > > > > >congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
> >

> > > > > Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. =A0UN "laws" are
> > > > > nothing more than a joke. =A0It has no authority under our Constitu=
> tion.
> >
> > > > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything tha=
> t
> > > > > strikes his whim.
> >
> > > > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a right to k=
> ill
> > > > any American that is living overseas if he considers him or her to be
> > > > threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas :-))
> >
> > > =A0Wow. Jason is calling Rush Limbaugh a terrorist.
> >
> > It's more like, Obama considers him to be a threat.
>
> I highly doubt that Obama gives Limbaugh five seconds of thought in
> any given month.

>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

You are probably correct. On a normal day, he is probably thinking about
his next vacation or his next golf match with Tiger Woods. Has Obama
broken the record related to taking vacations? It seems like he takes a
vacation about every other month.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-B3A8B1...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <Jason-26021...@66-53-213-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <hlwdjsd2-7E6AE8...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocg...@4ax.com>,

> > > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> > > > alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > <Jason-25021...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <6clni8d97l147vte7...@4ax.com>, Attila
> > > > ><<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> > > > >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0...@40tude.net> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W."
<ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > > > >> >> in
> > > > >> >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> >> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > > > >> >>>

> > > > >> >>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> > > > >> >>>> alt.abortion with message-id
> > > > >> >>>> <Jason-22021...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>

> > > > >> >>>> wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >>>>>If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we continue to give
> > > > >> >>>>>them
> > > > >> >>>>>millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
> > > > >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >>>>
> > > > >> >>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a formal
> > > > >> >>>> structure
> > > > >> >>>> in which nations can act in unison in various situations.
It has
> > > > >> >>>> no

> > > > >> >>>> actual power other than what is provided by it's members

who are
> > > > >> >>>> willing to provide that power.
> > > > >> >>>

> > > > >> >>>It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city of New

> > > > >> >>>York spends on education every year.
> > > > >> >>>

> > > > >> >>>Through its specialised agencies, it also does some actual and
> > > > >> >>>valuable work. The Food and Agricultural Organization works to

> > > > >> >>>enable humanity to feed itself by improving nutrition and

> > > > >> >>>agriculture. The International Civil Aviation Organization is

> > > > >> >>>absolutely necessary for intenational air travel, and the

> > > > >> >>>International Maritime Organization does the same for sea travel.

> > > > >> >>>A similar vital function is undertaken by the International
> > > > >> >>>telecommunicaiton Union which enables international telephone

> > > > >> >>>communication, and by extension the internet. And so on -- there
> > > > >> >>>are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which global trade,

> > > > >> >>>transport and communication would be unthinkable.
> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> Fine. These are mostly political and diplomatic venues through
> > > > >> >> which
> > > > >> >> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common goals.
> > > > >> >> That
> > > > >> >> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic structure.

> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >That is so.
> > > > >> >The main point of my post was to offer some more information on
> > > > >> >the actual work of the UN and its impact on the lives of all

> > > > >> >humanity (including Americans). Jason is typical of those who

> > > > >> >are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities or funding.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by

the US.

> > > > >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> It does not provide a military command structure nor does it

> > > > >> >> provide
> > > > >> >> troops or material.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when right-wing
> > > > >> >nutcases start blathering on about UN conspiracies to take over
> > > > >> >America...
> > > > >> >;-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Politically, many of the members would love to do just that.
> > > > >

> > > > >Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that state
> > > > >that
> > > > >Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the democrats in

> > > > >congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
> > > > >
> > > >

> > > > Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. UN "laws" are
> > > > nothing more than a joke. It has no authority under our Constitution.
> > > >
> > > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything that
> > > > strikes his whim.
> > >
> > > Stop lying.
> >

> > He is not lying. Obama writes an executive order if the Congress refuses
> > to pass a bill that he is in favor of.
>
> Stop lying.
>
> I don't remember your complaining when Dubya was issuing far more
> executive orders.

<http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies>

It's wrong for any president to become like a dictator.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <pan.2013.02.27....@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
> <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 03:57:33 -0500, wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:41:28 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > <hlwdjsd2-9DB406...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>In article <727oi81lldebf3b1v...@4ax.com>,
> > >> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:51:44 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > >>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > >>> <hlwdjsd2-36B2E1...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >> Why not just guarantee everyone an above average income?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >No. I'd rather every single person be provided enough money for the
> > >>> >basic necessities. Then, if they want more than that, they can go
> > >>> >looking for work to pay for it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Why not let them earn the basics too?
> > >>
> > >>Because a civilized country doesn't let people die in the streets.
> > >
> > > People are dying in the streets in every country, just as they always
> > > have.
> >
> > Not through starvation or illness, in the UK.
>
> It rarely ever happens in America. We have homeless centers in most all
> cities and most cities give out free meals to homeless people.

Then why are 50 million Americans food-insecure. Why are charities all
doing spectacular service, and those 17 million children are still
food-insecure.


<irrelevant fact snipped>

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-217-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article

> <77f3c782-d2d0-4680...@fv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 27 Feb, 03:37, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <pan.2013.02.27.00.04.57.859...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 03:57:33 -0500, =A0wrote:

> > >
> > > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:41:28 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > <hlwdjsd2-9DB406.22412825022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>In article <727oi81lldebf3b1vk26m3g0efa2u6m...@4ax.com>,

> > > > >> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:51:44 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > >>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >>> <hlwdjsd2-36B2E1.15514325022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >>> >> Why not just guarantee everyone an above average income?
> > >

> > > > >>> >No. I'd rather every single person be provided enough money for th=

> > e
> > > > >>> >basic necessities. Then, if they want more than that, they can go
> > > > >>> >looking for work to pay for it.
> > >
> > > > >>> Why not let them earn the basics too?
> > >
> > > > >>Because a civilized country doesn't let people die in the streets.
> > >
> > > > > People are dying in the streets in every country, just as they always
> > > > > have.
> > >
> > > > Not through starvation or illness, in the UK.
> > >
> > > It rarely ever happens in America. We have homeless centers in most all
> > > cities and most cities give out free meals to homeless people.
> > >

> > > It does not happen that way in India. I found out today that over 40
> > > percent of the citizens of India live below the poverty level.
> >
> > A poverty level far lower than the "poverty" level of the USA.
>
> <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_children_die_of_starvation_in_India>

Why are you trying to deflect from the severe problem in the US? Why
don't you want to deal with the fact that 1 in 6 Americans are
food-insecure?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <vtgjfeqnxecb.ighkhmm39wzy$.d...@40tude.net>, ing...@yahoo.co.uk
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:34:08 -0500, Attila wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:54:24 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> > > alt.abortion with message-id

> > > <9q0u9hxc9sep.1ihczvor4teih$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by the US.
> > >>

> > >>Have you looked at what they do, exactly? OK, so preserving
> > >>cultural monuments (UNESCO) is not really a full-on capitalist
> > >>programme, but most of the rest work on the backroom nuts and
> > >>bolts that keep the global economy chugging along. I was serious
> > >>when I wrote in response to Jason: without UN agency work,
> > >>there'd be no international shipping, no air travel, no
> > >>communications, no weather maps, no global economy.
> > >
> > > Nonsense.
> >
> > Oh yeah?
> > Imagine international flights without common standards and
> > protocols, without common symbols and common terms and a common
> > language. Imagine what would happen to US shipping if it had to
> > comply with a couple of hundred different national sets of
> > maritime rules and regulations *simultaneously*. Imagine trying
> > to make a phone call (also applies to basic internet) without
> > common protocols and standards. Imagine trying to work out a
> > weather forecast for Florida or Nebraska without weather
> > balloons, satellites and information-sharing from Canada or
> > Mexico. Go to Walmart, K-Mart, Target or Costco and imagine all
> > the prices 50-100% higher than they are because the global trade
> > and tariff agreements are not in place. Picture not being able
> > to go into Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else because America
> > would have to negotiate alliances with every partner separately
> > isntead of getting volunteers to sign up to a pre-existing
> > framework of treaties.
> >
> > The UN may not have much clout and the bits that hit the
> > headlines may look like a waste of money, but the back office
> > boys have been doing more to create wealth and make the world a
> > better and safer place than any ten governments put together.
> > Forget that -- make that a hundred administrations.
>
> Does the U.N. have peace keepers on the border between North and South Sudan?
>
> If not, they are are NOT doing their jobs. Several months ago, people in
> North Sudan attacked the people that live in South Sudan.

Has South Sudan asked for help?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article

> <baf52a56-ea8f-4e02...@d11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, "Syd
> M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 5:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocgsfkrirj2ocvcvf...@4ax.com>, Attila

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> > > > alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > <Jason-2502132223120...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >In article <6clni8d97l147vte71hrvs2tr9li4tj...@4ax.com>, Attila

> > > > ><<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> i=
> > n
> > > > >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0kb7j....@40tude.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > >

> > > > >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk=
> > > in
> > > > >> >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> >> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$....@40tude.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > >
> > > > >> >>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> > > > >> >>>> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> >>>> <Jason-2202132206120...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com> wro=
> > te:
> > >
> > > > >> >>>>>If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we continue to give =

> > them
> > > > >> >>>>>millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
> > >

> > > > >> >>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a formal stru=
> > cture
> > > > >> >>>> in which nations can act in unison in various situations. =A0It=
> > has no
> > > > >> >>>> actual =A0power other than what is provided by it's members who=

> > are
> > > > >> >>>> willing to provide that power.
> > >
> > > > >> >>>It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city of New
> > > > >> >>>York spends on education every year.
> > >
> > > > >> >>>Through its specialised agencies, it also does some actual and

> > > > >> >>>valuable work. =A0The Food and Agricultural Organization works to

> > > > >> >>>enable humanity to feed itself by improving nutrition and

> > > > >> >>>agriculture. =A0The International Civil Aviation Organization is

> > > > >> >>>absolutely necessary for intenational air travel, and the
> > > > >> >>>International Maritime Organization does the same for sea travel.
> > > > >> >>>A similar vital function is undertaken by the International
> > > > >> >>>telecommunicaiton Union which enables international telephone

> > > > >> >>>communication, and by extension the internet. =A0And so on -- the=

> > re
> > > > >> >>>are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which global trade,
> > > > >> >>>transport and communication would be unthinkable.
> > >

> > > > >> >> Fine. =A0These are mostly political and diplomatic venues through=
> > which
> > > > >> >> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common goals. =
> > =A0That
> > > > >> >> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic structure=

> > .
> > >
> > > > >> >That is so.
> > > > >> >The main point of my post was to offer some more information on
> > > > >> >the actual work of the UN and its impact on the lives of all

> > > > >> >humanity (including Americans). =A0Jason is typical of those who

> > > > >> >are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities or funding.
> > >

> > > > >> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by the U=
> > S.
> > >
> > > > >> >> It does not provide a military command structure nor does it prov=

> > ide
> > > > >> >> troops or material.
> > >
> > > > >> >Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when right-wing
> > > > >> >nutcases start blathering on about UN conspiracies to take over
> > > > >> >America...
> > > > >> >;-)
> > >
> > > > >> Politically, many of the members would love to do just that.
> > >

> > > > >Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that state t=

> > hat
> > > > >Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the democrats in
> > > > >congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
> > >

> > > > Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. =A0UN "laws" are
> > > > nothing more than a joke. =A0It has no authority under our Constitution=

> > .
> > >
> > > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything that
> > > > strikes his whim.
> > >

> > > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a right to kill

> > > any American that is living overseas if he considers him or her to be
> > > threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas :-))
> >

> > Boy, you refuse point blank to stop lying, doncha?
> >
> > PDW
>
> Does Obama believe he has the right to kill any American that lives
> overseas that he considered to be a threat? yes or no

No.

But he DOES have the right to take out any person who is plotting to
kill Americans.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-DE9D79...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article

> > <Jason-26021...@66-53-213-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocg...@4ax.com>, Attila

> > > <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> > > > alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > <Jason-25021...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >In article <6clni8d97l147vte7...@4ax.com>, Attila

> > > > ><<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>

> > > > >> in
> > > > >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0...@40tude.net> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W."

> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> > > > >> >> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> >> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> > > > >> >>>> alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > >> >>>> <Jason-22021...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>

> > > > >> >>>> wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >>>>>If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we continue to

> give them

> > > > >> >>>>>millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
> > > > >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >>>>
> > > > >> >>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a formal

> structure

> > > > >> >>>> in which nations can act in unison in various situations.

> It has no
> > > > >> >>>> actual power other than what is provided by it's members who

> > > > >> >>>> are
> > > > >> >>>> willing to provide that power.
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city of New
> > > > >> >>>York spends on education every year.
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>>Through its specialised agencies, it also does some actual and

> > > > >> >>>valuable work. The Food and Agricultural Organization works to

> > > > >> >>>enable humanity to feed itself by improving nutrition and

> > > > >> >>>agriculture. The International Civil Aviation Organization is

> > > > >> >>>absolutely necessary for intenational air travel, and the
> > > > >> >>>International Maritime Organization does the same for sea travel.
> > > > >> >>>A similar vital function is undertaken by the International
> > > > >> >>>telecommunicaiton Union which enables international telephone

> > > > >> >>>communication, and by extension the internet. And so on -- there

> > > > >> >>>are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which global trade,
> > > > >> >>>transport and communication would be unthinkable.
> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> Fine. These are mostly political and diplomatic venues
> through which

> > > > >> >> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common goals.

> > > > >> >> That
> > > > >> >> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic

> > > > >> >> structure.

> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >That is so.
> > > > >> >The main point of my post was to offer some more information on
> > > > >> >the actual work of the UN and its impact on the lives of all

> > > > >> >humanity (including Americans). Jason is typical of those who

> > > > >> >are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities or funding.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by the

> > > > >> US.

> > > > >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> It does not provide a military command structure nor does it

> > > > >> >> provide

> > > > >> >> troops or material.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when right-wing
> > > > >> >nutcases start blathering on about UN conspiracies to take over
> > > > >> >America...
> > > > >> >;-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Politically, many of the members would love to do just that.
> > > > >
> > > > >Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that state

> > > > >that

> > > > >Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the democrats in
> > > > >congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
> > > > >
> > > >

> > > > Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. UN "laws" are
> > > > nothing more than a joke. It has no authority under our Constitution.

> > > >
> > > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything that
> > > > strikes his whim.
> > >
> > > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a right to kill
> > > any American that is living overseas if he considers him or her to be
> > > threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas :-))
> >

> > Wow. Jason is calling Rush Limbaugh a terrorist.
>
> It's more like, Obama considers him to be a threat.

Why would Obama think a pathetic blowhard is a threat?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

He's still far less than half of Dubya's vacation.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-217-232.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <hlwdjsd2-E031D5...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article

> > <Jason-26021...@66-53-213-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <hlwdjsd2-062438...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
> > > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <56uoi8hmf6nrigfji...@4ax.com>,

> > > > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:41:28 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
> > > > > <hlwdjsd2-9DB406...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >In article <727oi81lldebf3b1v...@4ax.com>,

> > > > > > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:51:44 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > >> <hlwdjsd2-36B2E1...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >> Why not just guarantee everyone an above average income?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >No. I'd rather every single person be provided enough money for

> > > > > >> >the

> > > > > >> >basic necessities. Then, if they want more than that, they can go
> > > > > >> >looking for work to pay for it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Why not let them earn the basics too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Because a civilized country doesn't let people die in the streets.
> > > > >
> > > > > People are dying in the streets in every country, just as they always
> > > > > have.
> > > >

> > > > And that is the most important problem that needs to be fixed in this
> > > > world.
> > >
> > > Do you believe the solution is to make it illegal for Amercans to own
> > > firearms?
> >
> > Of course I don't.
> >
> >
> > > If so, you are wrong.
> >
> > Well, as usual, your guess about what I believe was 180 degrees off.
>
> OK--how would you fix the problem?

I've explained my plan several times. Why have you not read it?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <pan.2013.02.27....@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
> <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>

> > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:02:42 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > <hlwdjsd2-7E2B40...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs...@4ax.com>,
> > >> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > >>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > >>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb7...@4ax.com>,
> > >>> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:48:45 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > >>> >> in alt.abortion with message-id
> > >>> >> <fwu6x61ujj4w.jkgv48437e80$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:40:09 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:41:57 +0000, "Alex W."

> > >>> >> >> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > >>> >> >> <u382d6l8nke5$.145iw7a9...@40tude.net> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:36:14 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:35:27 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > >>> >> >>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > >>> >> >>>> <hlwdjsd2-D67A1B...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>>In article <1u0hi8pme4nekn8o8...@4ax.com>,
> > >>> >> >>>>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>>>> UN "Peacekeepers" serve at the discretion of the nation that

> > >>> >> >>>>>> provides
> > >>> >> >>>>>> the troops, and those troops can be pulled out by the
> > >>> >> >>>>>> providing nation
> > >>> >> >>>>>> at any time.
> > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>>I just don't get the attitude that having US soldier serve
> > >>> >> >>>>>under the UN

> > >>> >> >>>>>flag is some kind of travesty and tragedy, but we see nothing

> > >>> >> >>>>>wrong with
> > >>> >> >>>>>the soldiers of other nations doing it.
> > >>> >> >>>>
> > >>> >> >>>> Because that is up to the nation involved.
> > >>> >> >>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>>That kind of arrogance is why
> > >>> >> >>>>>we're so popular, even among our allies.
> > >>> >> >>>>

> > >>> >> >>>> Irrelevant. I am totally against Americans being under the
> > >>> >> >>>> orders of any non-American for any reason at any time for any
> > >>> >> >>>> reason.
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>I'm sure the troops and their generals in Iraq and Afghanistan
> > >>> >> >>>are mighty glad that you're not in command bcause without such
> > >>> >> >>>cooperation, you'd have to face that mess all by your lonesome.

> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>>Not to mention NATO .....
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> NATO troops can be removed by the providing countries at any
> > >>> >> >> time. The are not required to remain.
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> Plus NATO is not the UN.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >Still, it has US troops fighting under foreign commanders.
> > >>> >>

> > >>> >> I am not saying it doesn't happen. I am saying it should not

> > >>> >> happen.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Why not?
> > >>>
> > >>> I do not and will not support American troops being lead by foreign
> > >>> commanders.
> > >>
> > >> Why not?
> > >
> > > Because I don't want Americans commanded by anyone but Americans.
> > >
> >
> > It worked quite well in WWII (both ways). What have you got against it?
>
> We are not presently involved in a world war so I am not in favor of it
> happening.
>

> I was a fan of a young soldier named Michael New. He was a USA soldier and

> refused to obey an order to become a U.N. peacekeeper. He was given a
> court marshall.

As he damned well should have been. What right did he have to disobey a
lawful order?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-26021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article

> <e5d8de77-e4c0-406b...@q8g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>,
> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

>
> > On Feb 26, 10:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article

> > > <b38763dc-d2b9-4d5b-b6de-edd5b1bcc...@o5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> > s
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 27 Feb, 03:35, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > In article <pan.2013.02.27.01.05.15.813...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
> > >
> > > > > <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, =3DA0wrote:

> > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:02:42 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > > <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-7E2B40.04024226022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs60q9lbast2ec3q...@4ax.com>,

> > > > > > >> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > >>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > >>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D.22394625022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb773iu7qin3v4tou...@4ax.com>,

> > > > > > >>> > Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:48:45 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.=
> > co.u=3D

> > > > k>
> > > > > > >>> >> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > >>> >> <fwu6x61ujj4w.jkgv48437e80$....@40tude.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:40:09 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:41:57 +0000, "Alex W."
> > > > > > >>> >> >> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > >>> >> >> <u382d6l8nke5$.145iw7a9xi45y....@40tude.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:36:14 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:35:27 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > >>> >> >>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message=
> > -id
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>> <hlwdjsd2-D67A1B.01352723022...@news.giganews.com> wrot=
> > e:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>In article <1u0hi8pme4nekn8o88msgepn9rdvkgq...@4ax.com>=
> > ,
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>> UN "Peacekeepers" serve at the discretion of the nati=
> > on t=3D

> > > > hat
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>> provides
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>> the troops, and those troops can be pulled out by the
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>> providing nation
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>> at any time.
> > >

> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>I just don't get the attitude that having US soldier se=
> > rve
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>under the UN
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>flag is some kind of travesty and tragedy, but we see n=
> > othi=3D

> > > > ng
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>wrong with
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>the soldiers of other nations doing it.
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>> Because that is up to the nation involved.
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>That kind of arrogance is why
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>we're so popular, even among our allies.
> > >

> > > > > > >>> >> >>>> Irrelevant. =3DA0I am totally against Americans being u=
> > nder t=3D
> > > > he
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>> orders of any non-American for any reason at any time f=
> > or a=3D
> > > > ny
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>> reason.
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>I'm sure the troops and their generals in Iraq and Afghan=
> > ista=3D
> > > > n
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>are mighty glad that you're not in command bcause without=
> > suc=3D
> > > > h
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>cooperation, you'd have to face that mess all by your lon=
> > esom=3D

> > > > e.
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>Not to mention NATO .....
> > >

> > > > > > >>> >> >> NATO troops can be removed by the providing countries at =

> > any
> > > > > > >>> >> >> time. The are not required to remain.
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >> Plus NATO is not the UN.
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >> >Still, it has US troops fighting under foreign commanders.
> > >

> > > > > > >>> >> I am not saying it doesn't happen. =3DA0I am saying it shoul=

> > d not
> > > > > > >>> >> happen.
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >Why not?
> > >

> > > > > > >>> I do not and will not support American troops being lead by for=

> > eign
> > > > > > >>> commanders.
> > >
> > > > > > >> Why not?
> > >
> > > > > > > Because I don't want Americans commanded by anyone but Americans.
> > >

> > > > > > It worked quite well in WWII (both ways). What have you got against=
> > it?
> > >
> > > > > We are not presently involved in a world war so I am not in favor of =
> > it
> > > > > happening.
> > >
> > > > > I was a fan of a young soldier named Michael New. He was a USA soldie=
> > r an=3D

> > > > d
> > > > > refused to obey an order to become a U.N. peacekeeper. He was given a
> > > > > court marshall.
> > >

> > > > Was he ordered to become a UN Peacekeeper? =A0No. His entire unit was

> > > > ordered to support the UN in Macedonia. The USA is part of the UN.
> > >
> > > > He refused this direct order to be part of the UN Peacekeeping forces
> > > > on the basis of his oath to defend the USA from enemies both foreign
> > > > and domestic.
> > >
> > > > Surely working with the UN in Macedonia would of allowed him to honour
> > > > that oath on a much wider scale?
> > >
> > > > All he was required to do was wear the colours of the UN Peacekeepers,
> > > > and accept orders from his superior officers in Macedonia.
> > >
> > > > The fact that those officers were not American citizens shouldn't have
> > > > been a problem.
> > >
> > > > Think about it, how many Americans are indigenous to America? In other
> > > > words pure blooded Americans. Very, very few indeed, and even those
> > > > have roots in another land.
> > >
> > > I don't believe any American member of the military should have to take
> > > orders from anyone that is NOT a member of the American military--such as
> > > the US Marines. That is the reason I was a fan of an American soldier
> > > named Michael New. I also don't believe American soldiers should have to
> > > wear the colours of the UN Peacekeepers. He was court marshalled for
> > > disobeying a direct order to become a UN peacekeeper and to wear their
> > > colours.
> >
> > Good. I hope he did 20 years of hard labor for his gross
> > insubordination.
> >

> > Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
> > BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> > EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> > skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> > skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>

> What if a young man joined Hitler's military and expected to fight in the
> war and ended up being ordered to become a prison guard and murder
> thousands of Jewish women and children? He decided to not obey that order
> and as a result was court marshalled for disobeying a direct order to
> become a prison guard at a death came.
>
> Do you believe he should have got 20 years of hard labor for his gross
> insubordination?

Yes. Under the laws of Nazi Germany, he would have been lucky to only
have gotten 20 years.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <dh1ri8p7ueh04i950...@4ax.com>,
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:22:30 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> in
> alt.abortion with message-id
> <pan.2013.02.27....@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:24:31 -0500, wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:17:48 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> in
> >> alt.abortion with message-id
> >> <pan.2013.02.25....@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:11:20 -0500, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 02:23:13 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> >>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >>>> <hlwdjsd2-A1A33C...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>In article <7fdmi8ljjkeeuknaf...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:35:22 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> >>>>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-40051E...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> >In article <pan.2013.02.23....@JoeKing.com>,
> >>>>>> > Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:49:10 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> > In article <sglei89iqishvaee0...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>> >> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:50:54 +0000, "Alex W."

> >>>>>> >> >> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >>>>>> >> >> <4sda4el23b0p.13t42z2r3xc3l$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> >> I am not sure about France and Israel.
> >>>>>> >> >> >
> >>>>>> >> >> >Nobody is sure about Israel; that is the nature of their
> >>>>>> >> >> >deterrent.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> They are more interested in close in problems.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> >As for France, their M51 ballistic missile is submarine-based
> >>>>>> >> >> >and has a
> >>>>>> >> >> >range of 7,000 miles.
> >>>>>> >> >>
> >>>>>> >> >> If they manage to make anything work it would be the first
> >>>>>> >> >> time.
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> > Excuse me.
> >>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >> > France has a helluva lot better infrastructure and technology
> >>>>>> >> > than the US.
> >>>>>> >>
> >>>>>> >> Yep. Where is the US equivalent of 200MPH TGV trains? Where is the
> >>>>>> >> US equivalent of the supersonic Concord(e), a joint French &
> >>>>>> >> British venture? Even the Russians had the 'Concordski', although
> >>>>>> >> I suspect that much of the technology for that was 'borrowed' from
> >>>>>> >> Concord.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >Not to mention much faster internet at a fraction of the cost we
> >>>>>> >pay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How about the areas involved?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> New York to San Francisco - 2570 miles London to Moscow - 1552 miles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Every country in Europe plus Japan and Korea laugh at us for our
> >>>>>ridiculously slow and expensive internet and our absurdly expensive
> >>>>>cell phone service. Most of them are countries which have the money to
> >>>>>provide these things because the US is paying to protect them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Plus they have a lot smaller area to cover.
> >>>
> >>>Since when have internet packets gone via the most direct route? Since
> >>>when did it cost more for a satelite to transmit over longer distances?
> >>>Area has nothing to do with it.
> >>
> >> Area has everything to do with it. Internet service is via cable or
> >> fiber,
> >
> >Only locally, as far as your ISP's servers. Or do you imagine that there's
> >a fibre all the way from LA to NY?
>
> The backbone is.
>
> > If there is, why isn't every one horse
> >town on the way connected to it?
>
> Money and infrastructure.
>
> >
> >>and packet travel is irrelevant.
> >
> >Between different areas, it is very relevent. If I send an email to my
> >friend (on a different ISP) in the next street it is, more than likely, to
> >go via a satelite.
>
> Frankly I doubt that.
>
> >
> >>
> >> If you only need to wire a small area it can be fast and cheap.
> >
> >London is bigger in area than almost any US city. Everywhere in London has
> >at least 20Mbs available. If we can do it, why can't you?
>
> Why so slow? I have 25 and if I wish to pay another $10.00 I can get
> 50.

Let's compare the costs in the 2 countries.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

An executive order has absolutely nothing to do with becoming a dictator.

But I certainly wouldn't expect you to know that.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-B72AF6...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

<http://www.newtimes.co.rw/news/views/article_print.php?i=14960&a=52389&icon=Print>

Various peacekeepers from various countries are in South Sudan according
to some websites that I just examined. None of the peacekeepers were from
the USA.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-129227...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

I don't know. In San Luis Obispo, it's the parent's fault if children
don't get food. They give out three free meals per day at the city
operated homeless day center. The city also funds a homeless shelter.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-79A0D9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

I agree with you that there are lots of food-insecure people in America.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-3F7D1A...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Because both Michael New and thousands of conservatives believed it was an
unlawful order.

If a woman was in the military and her sergeant ordered her to have sex
with him, would she be required to do it?

It's the same thing, there is such a thing as a unlawful order.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-663982...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Are you an advocate for the German prison guards that worked in Hitler's
death camps?

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-8ED33B...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Remember Nixon? He had an enemy's list. Nixon probably would have loved to
fire missiles at them. They were political enemies. Obama may have an
enemy's list and if so, Rush Limbaugh is probably on it since he is a
political enemy.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Obama got bin Laden. Do you really think Limbaugh is going to scare him?

Limbaugh is a loud blowhard who speaks lies to idiots who'll believe
anything he says. He's making tens of millions of dollars on the backs
of people he thinks of as idiots.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Why would you ask such a stupid question?

When you make a moral choice to disobey an illegal order, you are
obligated to accept whatever punishment is meted out to you. That's why
some heroes spend years in prison or are executed.

But, of course, you have no concept of morality, so you can only think I
support Nazis when I explain that someone would be punished by the laws
of a nation.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

They were wrong. Every court proved they were wrong.

> If a woman was in the military and her sergeant ordered her to have sex
> with him, would she be required to do it?

Of course not. Because that would be an actual illegal order.

> It's the same thing, there is such a thing as a unlawful order.

Except that rape is unlawful and so is disobeying a legal order. Just
because a person wants to whine about it does not make it an illegal
order.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

So discuss that. Bringing another nation into it is a dishonest tactic.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

What if they're not homeless, you moron.

80% (that's EIGHTY PERCENT) of people on SNAP (that's foodstamps for
people who don't keep up with reality) are working families.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Yes, they're all from Africa. African nations helping other African
nations. Why should the US get involved in yet another nation's
problems, especially since others are doing it in the manner requested
by the trouble nation?

[Alex W.]

Belief is irrelevant.
What is or is not illegal is decided by a court.
In this case, three dfferent courts of law decided that the order
was legal.
End of story.

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:24:49 -0500, Attila wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 01:05:18 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> in
> alt.abortion with message-id

> <pan.2013.02.27....@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, wrote:


>>>>> I do not and will not support American troops being lead by foreign
>>>>> commanders.
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> Because I don't want Americans commanded by anyone but Americans.
>>>
>>
>>It worked quite well in WWII (both ways). What have you got against it?
>
>

> Oh? Where were American troops commanded by non- American officers? I
> seem to recall some people named Eisenhower, McArthur, Nimitz Halsey,
> Leahy, and a few others.

Mountbatten (British) had American troops under his command in
Burma and India. Montgomery (British) was Land Forces Commander
after D Day, which certainly included US troops. Alexander
(British) commanded US troops in North Africa and Italy -- his
command was noted for the good and smooth relations between the
diferent national troops under his command.

If you go back to WWI, supreme command belonged to Foch (French)
and many US units were under direct command of French officers:
the 1st Army had French corps throughout the war, sometimes with
subordinate US divisions. IV Corps was under French command
almost continuously. On several occasions, US troops were not
just put under the operational command of General Monash -- an
Australian -- but integrated into the Aussie troops.

Go back even further, and US troops were under allied/foreign
command in China during the Boxer Rebellion.

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:53:18 -0800, Jason wrote:

> In article

> <d0279cfc-3aaa-4ce7...@pl9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 26, 8:25=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-DE9D79.18570126022...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne


>>> > > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything tha=
>> t
>>> > > > strikes his whim.
>>>
>>> > > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a right to k=

>> ill
>>> > > any American that is living overseas if he considers him or her to be
>>> > > threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas :-))
>>>

>>> > =A0Wow. Jason is calling Rush Limbaugh a terrorist.

>>>
>>> It's more like, Obama considers him to be a threat.
>>

>> I highly doubt that Obama gives Limbaugh five seconds of thought in
>> any given month.
>>
>

> You are probably correct. On a normal day, he is probably thinking about
> his next vacation or his next golf match with Tiger Woods. Has Obama
> broken the record related to taking vacations? It seems like he takes a
> vacation about every other month.

And you are certainly wrong.

http://factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/

"So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31
months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W.
Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined
him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days
at his ranch. Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the
least time off -- 28 days."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtml

[Alex W.]

On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:55:27 -0600, Dakota wrote:

> On 2/25/2013 5:34 PM, Smiler wrote:

>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:33:28 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>
>>> In article

>>> <Jason-24021...@67-150-121-178.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <pan.2013.02.24....@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
>>>> <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:57:44 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:02:58 -0800, Jason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <pan.2013.02.23....@JoeKing.com>, Smiler

>>>>>>> <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:49:10 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> In article <sglei89iqishvaee0...@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:50:54 +0000, "Alex W."

>>>>>>>>>> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>>> <4sda4el23b0p.13t42z2r3xc3l$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure about France and Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is sure about Israel; that is the nature of their
>>>>>>>>>>> deterrent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are more interested in close in problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for France, their M51 ballistic missile is submarine-based
>>>>>>>>>>> and has a range of 7,000 miles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they manage to make anything work it would be the first time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excuse me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> France has a helluva lot better infrastructure and technology
>>>>>>>>> than the US.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep. Where is the US equivalent of 200MPH TGV trains? Where is the
>>>>>>>> US equivalent of the supersonic Concord(e), a joint French &
>>>>>>>> British venture? Even the Russians had the 'Concordski', although
>>>>>>>> I suspect that much of the technology for that was 'borrowed' from
>>>>>>>> Concord.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What type of automobile is made in France?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> France was a pioneer in the automotive industry and is the
>>>>>> 10th-largest automobile manufacturer in the world by 2011 unit
>>>>>> production and the third-largest in Europe (after Germany and
>>>>>> Spain).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> France is home to two major automaking companies - PSA Peugeot
>>>>>> Citro�n (owner of the Peugeot and Citroen marques) and Renault S.A.
>>>>>> (owner of the Renault marque and of Dacia of Romania, and Renault
>>>>>> Samsung Motors of South Korea). The France-based Renault Trucks is a
>>>>>> major producer of commercial vehicles and is owned by Volvo AB. Both
>>>>>> PSA Peugeot Citro�n and Renault produce a large number of vehicles
>>>>>> outside of France.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> French-designed cars have won the European Car of the Year and World
>>>>>> Car of the Year awards numerous times. The Citro�n DS took third
>>>>>> place in Car of the Century award and has been named the most
>>>>>> beautiful car of all time by Classic & Sports Car magazine.
>>>>>
>>>>> As it happens, I saw a DS a couple of days ago. They are an extreme
>>>>> rarity now, in th UK. I agree that it was the most beautiful car of
>>>>> all time.
>>>>
>>>> One of the most beautiful new cars that I have recently seen was a 2013
>>>> Nissan 370z.
>>>
>>> What's so beautiful about it? It looks pretty much exactly the same as
>>> every other car in its class.
>>>
>>> Whatever happened to the days when cars had personality and didn't look so
>>> cookie-cutter?
>>
>> I call them jelly-mould [jello-mold?] cars. The Ford Ka is the perfect
>> example.
>>
> The need for increased fuel economy has led to more aerodynamic
> designs. As the optimum design becomes better understood, cars will
> look even more alike than they do now.

Any advances in aerodynamic design are nullified by consumer
demand for gadgetry and comfort as well as regulatory constraints
on design. In short, cars are becoming bigger and heavier
because buyers want gizmos and because governments prescribe
safety regulations that affect design and equipment. Frex, it is
pretty hard to come up with individual and elegant designs when
the law insists on crumple zones and bonnet (hood) height.


>
> The Universe isn't much concerned about aesthetics.

It is in the sense that we -- along with most other species --
have hardwired criteria for aesthetics.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article
> <baf52a56-ea8f-4e02...@d11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> "Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 26, 5:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocgsfkrirj2ocvcvf...@4ax.com>, Attila

>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
>> > > alt.abortion with message-id

>> > > <Jason-2502132223120...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > >In article <6clni8d97l147vte71hrvs2tr9li4tj...@4ax.com>, Attila

>> > > ><<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W."

>> > > >> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> i=
>> n
>> > > >> alt.abortion with message-id

>> > > >> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0kb7j....@40tude.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W."

>> > > >> >> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk=
>> > in
>> > > >> >> alt.abortion with message-id

>> > > >> >> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$....@40tude.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
>> >
>> > > >> >>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com
>> > > >> >>>> (Jason) in alt.abortion with message-id

>> > > >> >>>> <Jason-2202132206120...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com
>> > > >> >>>> > wro=

>> te:
>> >
>> > > >> >>>>>If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we continue to

>> > > >> >>>>>give =

>> them
>> > > >> >>>>>millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
>> >
>> > > >> >>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a

>> > > >> >>>> formal stru=

>> cture
>> > > >> >>>> in which nations can act in unison in various situations.

>> > > >> >>>> =A0It=
>> has no
>> > > >> >>>> actual =A0power other than what is provided by it's
>> > > >> >>>> members who=

>> are
>> > > >> >>>> willing to provide that power.
>> >
>> > > >> >>>It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city of
>> > > >> >>>New York spends on education every year.
>> >
>> > > >> >>>Through its specialised agencies, it also does some actual

>> > > >> >>>and valuable work. =A0The Food and Agricultural

>> > > >> >>>Organization works to enable humanity to feed itself by

>> > > >> >>>improving nutrition and agriculture. =A0The International

>> > > >> >>>Civil Aviation Organization is absolutely necessary for
>> > > >> >>>intenational air travel, and the International Maritime
>> > > >> >>>Organization does the same for sea travel. A similar vital
>> > > >> >>>function is undertaken by the International
>> > > >> >>>telecommunicaiton Union which enables international
>> > > >> >>>telephone communication, and by extension the internet.

>> > > >> >>>=A0And so on -- the=

>> re
>> > > >> >>>are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which global
>> > > >> >>>trade, transport and communication would be unthinkable.
>> >

>> > > >> >> Fine. =A0These are mostly political and diplomatic venues
>> > > >> >> through=

>> which
>> > > >> >> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common

>> > > >> >> goals. =
>> =A0That

>> > > >> >> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic

>> > > >> >> structure=

>> .
>> >
>> > > >> >That is so.
>> > > >> >The main point of my post was to offer some more information
>> > > >> >on the actual work of the UN and its impact on the lives of

>> > > >> >all humanity (including Americans). =A0Jason is typical of

>> > > >> >those who are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities
>> > > >> >or funding.
>> >

>> > > >> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by

>> > > >> the U=

>> S.
>> >
>> > > >> >> It does not provide a military command structure nor does

>> > > >> >> it prov=

>> ide
>> > > >> >> troops or material.
>> >
>> > > >> >Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when
>> > > >> >right-wing nutcases start blathering on about UN conspiracies
>> > > >> >to take over America...
>> > > >> >;-)
>> >
>> > > >> Politically, many of the members would love to do just that.
>> >
>> > > >Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that

>> > > >state t=

>> hat
>> > > >Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the
>> > > >democrats in congress would enforce the law that was passed by
>> > > >the UN.
>> >

>> > > Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. =A0UN "laws" are
>> > > nothing more than a joke. =A0It has no authority under our
>> > > Constitution=
>> .

>> >
>> > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything

>> > > that strikes his whim.

>> >
>> > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a right to

>> > kill any American that is living overseas if he considers him or

>> > her to be threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas
>> > :-))
>>

>> Boy, you refuse point blank to stop lying, doncha?
>>
>> PDW
>
> Does Obama believe he has the right to kill any American that lives
> overseas that he considered to be a threat? yes or no
>
>

His duty is to protect America from "all
threats, foreign and domestic".

Would you want a president who refused to
do that?

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:37:41 -0800, Jason wrote:


>
> It does not happen that way in India. I found out today that over 40
> percent of the citizens of India live below the poverty level.

"Poverty" is relative.

In the US, the poverty threshold as applied by the US Census
Bureau is set at an annual income of $20,614 for a family of
four.

In India, an annual income of around $3,500 is enough to be
considered "middle class".

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-26021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article
> <d0279cfc-3aaa-4ce7...@pl9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
>

>> On Feb 26, 8:25=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > In article <hlwdjsd2-DE9D79.18570126022...@news.giganews.com>,
>> > Jeanne
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> > > In article
>> > > <Jason-2602131435430...@66-53-213-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >
>> > > > In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocgsfkrirj2ocvcvf...@4ax.com>, Attila
>> > > > <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason)
>> > > > > in alt.abortion with message-id
>> > > > > <Jason-2502132223120...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>

>> > > > > wrote=

>> :
>> >
>> > > > > >In article <6clni8d97l147vte71hrvs2tr9li4tj...@4ax.com>,
>> > > > > >Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W."

>> > > > > >> <ing...@yahoo.co.u=
>> k> in

>> > > > > >> alt.abortion with message-id
>> > > > > >> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0kb7j....@40tude.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W."
>> >

>> > <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in

>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > > > >> >> alt.abortion with message-id
>> > > > > >> >> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$....@40tude.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> >>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com

>> > > > > >> >>>> (Jason=
>> ) in
>> > > > > >> >>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>> > > > > >> >>>> <Jason-2202132206120...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest
>> > > > > >> >>>> .com>=

>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > >> >>>>>If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we
>> > > > > >> >>>>>continue to

>> > give them

>> > > > > >> >>>>>millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
>> >
>> > > > > >> >>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a
>> > > > > >> >>>> formal

>> > structure

>> > > > > >> >>>> in which nations can act in unison in various
>> > > > > >> >>>> situations.

>> > It has no

>> > > > > >> >>>> actual =A0power other than what is provided by it's

>> > > > > >> >>>> members=
>> who are

>> > > > > >> >>>> willing to provide that power.
>> >
>> > > > > >> >>>It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city

>> > > > > >> >>>of Ne=

>> w
>> > > > > >> >>>York spends on education every year.
>> >
>> > > > > >> >>>Through its specialised agencies, it also does some

>> > > > > >> >>>actual an=

>> d
>> > > > > >> >>>valuable work. =A0The Food and Agricultural

>> > > > > >> >>>Organization work=

>> s to
>> > > > > >> >>>enable humanity to feed itself by improving nutrition
>> > > > > >> >>>and agriculture. =A0The International Civil Aviation

>> > > > > >> >>>Organization=

>> is
>> > > > > >> >>>absolutely necessary for intenational air travel, and
>> > > > > >> >>>the International Maritime Organization does the same

>> > > > > >> >>>for sea tra=

>> vel.
>> > > > > >> >>>A similar vital function is undertaken by the
>> > > > > >> >>>International telecommunicaiton Union which enables
>> > > > > >> >>>international telephone communication, and by extension

>> > > > > >> >>>the internet. =A0And so on --=
>> there

>> > > > > >> >>>are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which

>> > > > > >> >>>global tr=

>> ade,
>> > > > > >> >>>transport and communication would be unthinkable.
>> >
>> > > > > >> >> Fine. =A0These are mostly political and diplomatic
>> > > > > >> >> venues

>> > through which

>> > > > > >> >> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common

>> > > > > >> >> goals=
>> . =A0That

>> > > > > >> >> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic

>> > > > > >> >> struc=
>> ture.

>> >
>> > > > > >> >That is so.
>> > > > > >> >The main point of my post was to offer some more
>> > > > > >> >information on the actual work of the UN and its impact
>> > > > > >> >on the lives of all humanity (including Americans).

>> > > > > >> >=A0Jason is typical of those wh=

>> o
>> > > > > >> >are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities or
>> > > > > >> >funding.
>> >
>> > > > > >> It's just another government giveaway program funded

>> > > > > >> mostly by t=
>> he US.

>> >
>> > > > > >> >> It does not provide a military command structure nor

>> > > > > >> >> does it =
>> provide

>> > > > > >> >> troops or material.
>> >
>> > > > > >> >Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when
>> > > > > >> >right-wing nutcases start blathering on about UN
>> > > > > >> >conspiracies to take over America...
>> > > > > >> >;-)
>> >
>> > > > > >> Politically, many of the members would love to do just
>> > > > > >> that.
>> >
>> > > > > >Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws

>> > > > > >that sta=
>> te that

>> > > > > >Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the

>> > > > > >democrats =

>> in
>> > > > > >congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
>> >
>> > > > > Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. =A0UN "laws"
>> > > > > are nothing more than a joke. =A0It has no authority under

>> > > > > our Constitu=
>> tion.

>> >
>> > > > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying

>> > > > > anything tha=

>> t
>> > > > > strikes his whim.
>> >
>> > > > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a

>> > > > right to k=

>> ill
>> > > > any American that is living overseas if he considers him or her
>> > > > to be threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas
>> > > > :-))
>> >

>> > > =A0Wow. Jason is calling Rush Limbaugh a terrorist.
>> >
>> > It's more like, Obama considers him to be a threat.
>>
>> I highly doubt that Obama gives Limbaugh five seconds of thought in
>> any given month.
>>

>> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
>> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>

> You are probably correct. On a normal day, he is probably thinking
> about his next vacation or his next golf match with Tiger Woods. Has
> Obama broken the record related to taking vacations? It seems like he
> takes a vacation about every other month.

Bush is still the king of vacationing presidents,
followed closely by Reagan. Obama is actually one of
the LEAST vacationing presidents we have had.


http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-
lib/2013/jan/7/president-obamas-back-hawaii-how-many-vacations-ha/

[Mitchell Holman]

"Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:q1r9v93fz4jc$.1vp882w6...@40tude.net:

Modern Conservative: Someone who can time out
from complaining that Obama is ruining the country
to complain that he is not working hard enough at it.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

>
> Remember Nixon? He had an enemy's list. Nixon probably would have
> loved to fire missiles at them. They were political enemies. Obama may
> have an enemy's list and if so, Rush Limbaugh is probably on it since
> he is a political enemy.
>

Limbaugh needs to worry about Limbaugh, not Obama.




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/06/1176920/-2-200-Limbaugh-Sponsors-
Gone#

[Dakota]

On 2/27/2013 2:34 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article

> <Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>> In article <hlwdjsd2-B3A8B1...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

>> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article

>>> <Jason-26021...@66-53-213-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-7E6AE8...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
>>>> Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocg...@4ax.com>,

>>>>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>> <Jason-25021...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <6clni8d97l147vte7...@4ax.com>, Attila

>>>>>>> <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0...@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W."
>> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>>> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason)
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <Jason-22021...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a formal
>>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>>> in which nations can act in unison in various situations.
>> It has
>>>>>>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>>>>>>> actual power other than what is provided by it's members

>> who are
>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to provide that power.
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city of New

>>>>>>>>>>> York spends on education every year.
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Through its specialised agencies, it also does some actual and
>>>>>>>>>>> valuable work. The Food and Agricultural Organization works to

>>>>>>>>>>> enable humanity to feed itself by improving nutrition and

>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture. The International Civil Aviation Organization is

>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely necessary for intenational air travel, and the
>>>>>>>>>>> International Maritime Organization does the same for sea

>>>>>>>>>>> travel.

>>>>>>>>>>> A similar vital function is undertaken by the International
>>>>>>>>>>> telecommunicaiton Union which enables international telephone

>>>>>>>>>>> communication, and by extension the internet. And so on --

>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which global

>>>>>>>>>>> trade,

>>>>>>>>>>> transport and communication would be unthinkable.
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Fine. These are mostly political and diplomatic venues through
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common goals.

>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic

>>>>>>>>>> structure.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is so.
>>>>>>>>> The main point of my post was to offer some more information on
>>>>>>>>> the actual work of the UN and its impact on the lives of all

>>>>>>>>> humanity (including Americans). Jason is typical of those who

>>>>>>>>> are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities or funding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by

>> the US.

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It does not provide a military command structure nor does it

>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>>>> troops or material.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when right-wing
>>>>>>>>> nutcases start blathering on about UN conspiracies to take over
>>>>>>>>> America...
>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Politically, many of the members would love to do just that.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that state
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the democrats in

>>>>>>> congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. UN "laws" are
>>>>>> nothing more than a joke. It has no authority under our
>>>>>> Constitution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything that
>>>>>> strikes his whim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop lying.
>>>>
>>>> He is not lying. Obama writes an executive order if the Congress refuses
>>>> to pass a bill that he is in favor of.
>>>
>>> Stop lying.
>>>
>>> I don't remember your complaining when Dubya was issuing far more
>>> executive orders.
>>
>> <http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies>
>>
>> It's wrong for any president to become like a dictator.
>
> An executive order has absolutely nothing to do with becoming a dictator.
>
> But I certainly wouldn't expect you to know that.
>
Here's the idiot Bush talking about being a dictator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvUEsm0wNIA

[Dakota]

On 2/27/2013 2:03 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article

> <Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>> In article

>> <baf52a56-ea8f-4e02...@d11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, "Syd
>> M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>

>>> On Feb 26, 5:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>> In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocgsfkrirj2ocvcvf...@4ax.com>, Attila

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>> <Jason-2502132223120...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> In article <6clni8d97l147vte71hrvs2tr9li4tj...@4ax.com>, Attila

>>>>>> <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:43:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> i=
>>> n
>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>> <1o4mymlwpksir$.j4vmtat0kb7j....@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:44:54 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:39:07 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk=
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>> <ip74i0qd0t9$.9qdoag4gha2s$....@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:58:22 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:06:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
>>>>>>>>>>> alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>>>> <Jason-2202132206120...@66-53-220-59.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com> wro=
>>> te:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the U.N. has NO power today, why should we continue to give =

>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> millions or perhaps billions of dollars per year?
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> It provides a diplomatic meeting place as well as a formal stru=
>>> cture

>>>>>>>>>>> in which nations can act in unison in various situations. =A0It=
>>> has no

>>>>>>>>>>> actual =A0power other than what is provided by it's members who=

>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> willing to provide that power.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It also has a budget that is smaller than what the city of New
>>>>>>>>>> York spends on education every year.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Through its specialised agencies, it also does some actual and

>>>>>>>>>> valuable work. =A0The Food and Agricultural Organization works to

>>>>>>>>>> enable humanity to feed itself by improving nutrition and

>>>>>>>>>> agriculture. =A0The International Civil Aviation Organization is

>>>>>>>>>> absolutely necessary for intenational air travel, and the
>>>>>>>>>> International Maritime Organization does the same for sea travel.
>>>>>>>>>> A similar vital function is undertaken by the International
>>>>>>>>>> telecommunicaiton Union which enables international telephone

>>>>>>>>>> communication, and by extension the internet. =A0And so on -- the=
>>> re

>>>>>>>>>> are, IIRC, about 17 of these agencies without which global trade,
>>>>>>>>>> transport and communication would be unthinkable.
>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Fine. =A0These are mostly political and diplomatic venues through=
>>> which
>>>>>>>>> various countries can cooperate to reach certain common goals. =
>>> =A0That
>>>>>>>>> is why the UN was formed - to provide such a diplomatic structure=

>>> .
>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is so.
>>>>>>>> The main point of my post was to offer some more information on
>>>>>>>> the actual work of the UN and its impact on the lives of all

>>>>>>>> humanity (including Americans). =A0Jason is typical of those who

>>>>>>>> are utterly ignorant of UN activities, capabilities or funding.
>>>>

>>>>>>> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by the U=
>>> S.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does not provide a military command structure nor does it prov=

>>> ide
>>>>>>>>> troops or material.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quite so, which s why I always find it amusing when right-wing
>>>>>>>> nutcases start blathering on about UN conspiracies to take over
>>>>>>>> America...
>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>>>>> Politically, many of the members would love to do just that.
>>>>

>>>>>> Conservatives fear that the UN may start passing gun laws that state t=

>>> hat
>>>>>> Americans are not allowed to own guns and Obama and the democrats in
>>>>>> congress would enforce the law that was passed by the UN.
>>>>

>>>>> Only American laws and treaties can be enforced. =A0UN "laws" are
>>>>> nothing more than a joke. =A0It has no authority under our Constitution=

>>> .
>>>>
>>>>> But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything that
>>>>> strikes his whim.
>>>>

>>>> That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a right to kill

>>>> any American that is living overseas if he considers him or her to be
>>>> threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas :-))
>>>

>>> Boy, you refuse point blank to stop lying, doncha?
>>>
>>> PDW
>>
>> Does Obama believe he has the right to kill any American that lives
>> overseas that he considered to be a threat? yes or no
>

> No.
>
> But he DOES have the right to take out any person who is plotting to
> kill Americans.
>
I don't agree. He may have authority to do so but that's not the same
thing as a right.

[Dakota]

Nixon's paranoia led to his resignation. President Obama shows no
signs of paranoia.

[Dakota]

The courts ruled that he was wrong.

[Dakota]

On 2/27/2013 2:08 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article

> <Jason-26021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>> In article

>> <e5d8de77-e4c0-406b...@q8g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>,
>> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

>>
>>> On Feb 26, 10:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>> In article

>>>> <b38763dc-d2b9-4d5b-b6de-edd5b1bcc...@o5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
>>> s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 27 Feb, 03:35, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>>> In article <pan.2013.02.27.01.05.15.813...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
>>>>
>>>>>> <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, =3DA0wrote:

>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:02:42 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

>>>>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-7E2B40.04024226022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs60q9lbast2ec3q...@4ax.com>,

>>>>>>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

>>>>>>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D.22394625022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb773iu7qin3v4tou...@4ax.com>,

>>>>>>>>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:48:45 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.=
>>> co.u=3D

>>>>> k>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>>>>> <fwu6x61ujj4w.jkgv48437e80$....@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:40:09 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:41:57 +0000, "Alex W."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <u382d6l8nke5$.145iw7a9xi45y....@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:36:14 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:35:27 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message=
>>> -id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-D67A1B.01352723022...@news.giganews.com> wrot=
>>> e:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <1u0hi8pme4nekn8o88msgepn9rdvkgq...@4ax.com>=
>>> ,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UN "Peacekeepers" serve at the discretion of the nati=
>>> on t=3D

>>>>> hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the troops, and those troops can be pulled out by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing nation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at any time.
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just don't get the attitude that having US soldier se=
>>> rve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the UN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flag is some kind of travesty and tragedy, but we see n=
>>> othi=3D

>>>>> ng
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the soldiers of other nations doing it.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because that is up to the nation involved.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That kind of arrogance is why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're so popular, even among our allies.
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant. =3DA0I am totally against Americans being u=
>>> nder t=3D
>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orders of any non-American for any reason at any time f=
>>> or a=3D
>>>>> ny
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the troops and their generals in Iraq and Afghan=
>>> ista=3D
>>>>> n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are mighty glad that you're not in command bcause without=
>>> suc=3D
>>>>> h
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cooperation, you'd have to face that mess all by your lon=
>>> esom=3D

>>>>> e.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention NATO .....
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO troops can be removed by the providing countries at =

>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. The are not required to remain.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus NATO is not the UN.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still, it has US troops fighting under foreign commanders.
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not saying it doesn't happen. =3DA0I am saying it shoul=

>>> d not
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> I do not and will not support American troops being lead by for=

>>> eign
>>>>>>>>>> commanders.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because I don't want Americans commanded by anyone but Americans.
>>>>

>>>>>>> It worked quite well in WWII (both ways). What have you got against=
>>> it?
>>>>
>>>>>> We are not presently involved in a world war so I am not in favor of =
>>> it
>>>>>> happening.
>>>>
>>>>>> I was a fan of a young soldier named Michael New. He was a USA soldie=
>>> r an=3D

>>>>> d
>>>>>> refused to obey an order to become a U.N. peacekeeper. He was given a
>>>>>> court marshall.
>>>>

>>>>> Was he ordered to become a UN Peacekeeper? =A0No. His entire unit was
>>>>> ordered to support the UN in Macedonia. The USA is part of the UN.
>>>>
>>>>> He refused this direct order to be part of the UN Peacekeeping forces
>>>>> on the basis of his oath to defend the USA from enemies both foreign
>>>>> and domestic.
>>>>
>>>>> Surely working with the UN in Macedonia would of allowed him to honour
>>>>> that oath on a much wider scale?
>>>>
>>>>> All he was required to do was wear the colours of the UN Peacekeepers,
>>>>> and accept orders from his superior officers in Macedonia.
>>>>
>>>>> The fact that those officers were not American citizens shouldn't have
>>>>> been a problem.
>>>>
>>>>> Think about it, how many Americans are indigenous to America? In other
>>>>> words pure blooded Americans. Very, very few indeed, and even those
>>>>> have roots in another land.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe any American member of the military should have to take
>>>> orders from anyone that is NOT a member of the American military--such as
>>>> the US Marines. That is the reason I was a fan of an American soldier
>>>> named Michael New. I also don't believe American soldiers should have to
>>>> wear the colours of the UN Peacekeepers. He was court marshalled for
>>>> disobeying a direct order to become a UN peacekeeper and to wear their
>>>> colours.
>>>
>>> Good. I hope he did 20 years of hard labor for his gross
>>> insubordination.
>>>

>>> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
>>> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
>>> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
>>> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
>>> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
>>

>> What if a young man joined Hitler's military and expected to fight in the
>> war and ended up being ordered to become a prison guard and murder
>> thousands of Jewish women and children? He decided to not obey that order
>> and as a result was court marshalled for disobeying a direct order to
>> become a prison guard at a death came.
>>
>> Do you believe he should have got 20 years of hard labor for his gross
>> insubordination?
>
> Yes. Under the laws of Nazi Germany, he would have been lucky to only
> have gotten 20 years.
>

I'm confident that you don't actually believe that Jason's Nazi
strawman deserved be punished for having a conscience as your response
suggests. I took it as your estimation of what would likely have
happened to him.

[Dakota]

The issue here is 'would be' versus 'should be'.

[Dakota]

Please consider donating to Feeding America. They help stock the food
pantries and the larders of the shelters and drop-in centers where
food is served. Your state may have a affiliate if you want to keep it
local.

http://feedingamerica.org/

[Dakota]

That's a good point but I don't think shelters are interested in
whether the people who come to eat are homeless or not. It's not like
they can ask for proof. The bigger problem is finding the time and the
means to haul the kids to the shelter.

[Jason]

If Bush2 issued an order that allowed him to kill any Americans that are
overseas that he considered to be a threat, the liberal news media would
be all over this policy like flies on fecal material.

[Jason]

In article <XnsA1744818A183A...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

What if the next president makes use of the policy to kill his political
enemies?

[Jason]

In article <q1r9v93fz4jc$.1vp882w6...@40tude.net>,

Thanks. Does Obama have meetings with his staff members when he is on vacations?

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-987E54...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article

> <Jason-27021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <hlwdjsd2-663982...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> > Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article

> > > <Jason-26021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article

> > > > <e5d8de77-e4c0-406b...@q8g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>,

> > > > SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 26, 10:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > >

> > <b38763dc-d2b9-4d5b-b6de-edd5b1bcc...@o5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> > > > > s
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 27 Feb, 03:35, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <pan.2013.02.27.01.05.15.813...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, =3DA0wrote:
> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:02:42 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > > > > > <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-7E2B40.04024226022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs60q9lbast2ec3q...@4ax.com>,
> > > > > > > > > >> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > > > > >>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > > > > >>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D.22394625022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> >In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb773iu7qin3v4tou...@4ax.com>,
> > > > > > > > > >>> > Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:48:45 +0000, "Alex W."
> > <ing...@yahoo.=
> > > > > co.u=3D
> > > > > > > k>
> > > > > > > > > >>> >> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > > > > >>> >> <fwu6x61ujj4w.jkgv48437e80$....@40tude.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> >> >On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 05:40:09 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 00:41:57 +0000, "Alex W."

> > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > > > > >>> >> >> <u382d6l8nke5$.145iw7a9xi45y....@40tude.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> >> >>>On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 18:36:14 -0500, Attila wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> >> >>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:35:27 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
> > > > > > > > > >>> >> >>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with

If I was a member of Hitler's army and was assigned to be a prison guard
at a death camp, I would try my best to escape to America or England.

[Jason]

If you was a member of Hitler's army and was assigned to be a prison guard
at a Hilter death camp, would you follow the order or try your best to go
to America or England.

I will answer first. I would try my best to go to America or England.

[Jason]

I seem to recall that the Supreme Court once ruled that slavery was legal.

My point: courts on occassion make incorrect rulings.

[Jason]

In article <1cyjq752du5f2$.1uwjw0qyn5wcv$.d...@40tude.net>,

Courts on occassion make the wrong rulings.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article <XnsA1744818A183A...@216.196.121.131>,
> Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> news:Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>> >

>> > Does Obama believe he has the right to kill any American that lives
>> > overseas that he considered to be a threat? yes or no
>> >
>> >
>>
>> His duty is to protect America from "all
>> threats, foreign and domestic".
>>
>> Would you want a president who refused to
>> do that?
>
> What if the next president makes use of the policy to kill his
> political enemies?

Now you just being silly. The issue is terrorists
getting a free pass just because they are Americans.


PS: Remember the American Taliban?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh

[Jason]

In article <XnsA174B55F7C659...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:

> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> news:Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > In article <XnsA1744818A183A...@216.196.121.131>,
> > Mitchell Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> news:Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Does Obama believe he has the right to kill any American that lives
> >> > overseas that he considered to be a threat? yes or no
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> His duty is to protect America from "all
> >> threats, foreign and domestic".
> >>
> >> Would you want a president who refused to
> >> do that?
> >
> > What if the next president makes use of the policy to kill his
> > political enemies?
>
>
> Now you just being silly. The issue is terrorists
> getting a free pass just because they are Americans.
>
>
> PS: Remember the American Taliban?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh

Do you remember Nixon's enemy's list? I believe he would have loved to
fire missiles at his political enemies.

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:30:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> But, of course, you have no concept of morality, so you can only think I
>> support Nazis when I explain that someone would be punished by the laws
>> of a nation.
>
>If I was a member of Hitler's army and was assigned to be a prison guard
>at a death camp, I would try my best to escape to America or England.

Rather than that you have shown yourself to be a dishonest liar.
--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")
Atheist #1211
EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div.

SERV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWhXGhv-tTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7bsUttGho8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60mZsohBr3Q

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:38:50 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>I seem to recall that the Supreme Court once ruled that slavery was legal.

Care to provide the case?

[Alan Ferris]

That is why there are courts of appeal. Do you have evidence for them being
wrong or are you just blowing in the wind as usual?

[Alan Ferris]

If they rule it a war as they have done so in this case then I am sure it will
be quite legal. You allowed your lawmakers to make up these crap rules, if you
do not like it why vote for them?

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:23:21 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>> Nixon's paranoia led to his resignation. President Obama shows no
>> signs of paranoia.
>
>If Bush2 issued an order that allowed him to kill any Americans that are
>overseas that he considered to be a threat, the liberal news media would
>be all over this policy like flies on fecal material.

Are you really that naive to think he never did that?

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

>
> If Bush2 issued an order that allowed him to kill any Americans that
> are overseas that he considered to be a threat, the liberal news media
> would be all over this policy like flies on fecal material.

Bush DID order drone strikes against American terrorists.

We already covered this, but here it is again.




U.S. Citizen Among Those Killed In Yemen Predator Strike
Nov 8 2002
http://tech.mit.edu/V122/N54/long4-54.54w.html

[Alex W.]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:38:35 +0000, Smiler wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:02:26 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:27:42 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 00:10:21 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:15:52 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:57:44 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:02:58 -0800, Jason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <pan.2013.02.23....@JoeKing.com>, Smiler
>>>>>>> <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:49:10 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <sglei89iqishvaee0...@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>> Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:50:54 +0000, "Alex W."

>>>>>>>>>> <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>>>>>> <4sda4el23b0p.13t42z2r3xc3l$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I am not sure about France and Israel.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >Nobody is sure about Israel; that is the nature of their
>>>>>>>>>> >deterrent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are more interested in close in problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >As for France, their M51 ballistic missile is submarine-based
>>>>>>>>>> >and has a range of 7,000 miles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they manage to make anything work it would be the first time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excuse me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> France has a helluva lot better infrastructure and technology than
>>>>>>>>> the US.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep. Where is the US equivalent of 200MPH TGV trains? Where is the
>>>>>>>> US equivalent of the supersonic Concord(e), a joint French &
>>>>>>>> British venture? Even the Russians had the 'Concordski', although I
>>>>>>>> suspect that much of the technology for that was 'borrowed' from
>>>>>>>> Concord.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What type of automobile is made in France?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> France was a pioneer in the automotive industry and is the
>>>>>> 10th-largest automobile manufacturer in the world by 2011 unit
>>>>>> production and the third-largest in Europe (after Germany and Spain).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> France is home to two major automaking companies - PSA Peugeot
>>>>>> Citro�n (owner of the Peugeot and Citroen marques) and Renault S.A.
>>>>>> (owner of the Renault marque and of Dacia of Romania, and Renault
>>>>>> Samsung Motors of South Korea). The France-based Renault Trucks is a
>>>>>> major producer of commercial vehicles and is owned by Volvo AB. Both
>>>>>> PSA Peugeot Citro�n and Renault produce a large number of vehicles
>>>>>> outside of France.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> French-designed cars have won the European Car of the Year and World
>>>>>> Car of the Year awards numerous times. The Citro�n DS took third
>>>>>> place in Car of the Century award and has been named the most
>>>>>> beautiful car of all time by Classic & Sports Car magazine.
>>>>>
>>>>> As it happens, I saw a DS a couple of days ago. They are an extreme
>>>>> rarity now, in th UK. I agree that it was the most beautiful car of
>>>>> all time.
>>>>
>>>> My grandmother owned one. It was gorgeous. Not quite "sex on wheels"
>>>> like the E-Type, but effortlessly and completely elegant like a
>>>> beautiful Parisian gliding along the Champs-Elysees....
>>>>
>>>> I wish I was a foot shorter, then I could fit into one.
>>>
>>> An overnight stay at Procrusteus' hostelry would solve that problem. :-)
>>
>> Ah, sirrah knows his classics!
>>
>
> Only through my programming experience. "Procrustean Strings are
> shortened, where neccessary, to a fixed length to fit the available space."
> An explanation of who Procrusteus was, what he did and why followed.
> It's hard to forget what a Procrustean string is, after that!

He was Greek, not Roman -- no "u" in his name. Procrustes, not
Procrusteus.


>
> But after a stay at his hostelry, wouldn't you be _two_ feet shorter?

Not to worry! Where Pistorius is going, he won't need his blades
so I can always take them for my own use...


>
>>
>>>> It is definitely in my Top Five of vintage motors to own...
>>>
>>> My Top One. I've wanted one since I first saw it, many years ago.
>>
>> They're about 15 grand, if memory serves.
>
> I'll start saving my pennies :-)

Do that!


>
>> Running and repair costs are
>> likely to be higher than with a Kia or Vauxhall, though...
>
> I'd imagine that spares are almost unobtainable.

The supply appears to be reasonable, according to the press.

[Smiler]

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:43:11 -0500, wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 19:55:45 -0500, Jim Burns <burn...@osu.edu> in
> alt.abortion with message-id <512D599...@osu.edu> wrote:
>
>>On 2/26/2013 7:02 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>>> In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs...@4ax.com>, Attila

>>> <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas
>>>> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D...@news.giganews.com> wrote:

>>>>> In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb7...@4ax.com>, Attila
>>>>> <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:48:45 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>> in alt.abortion with message-id

>>>>>> <fwu6x61ujj4w.jkgv48437e80$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Still, it has US troops fighting under foreign commanders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not saying it doesn't happen. I am saying it should not
>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> I do not and will not support American troops being lead by foreign
>>>> commanders.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>

>>Attila doesn't get what "why" means. Neither does Jason. They both treat
>>being asked why they believe something as an occasion to repeat what they
>>believe.
>
> It is a matter of opinion. I am opposed to non-Americans commanding
> American troops, especially in combat.

Your reply exactly meets Jim's premise, in that you still haven't told us
_why_ you hold that opinion. Do you have any evidence for it? I suspect
not.

<snip>

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-2702131607240001@66-53-210-
68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

WTF does that have to do with your stance
about sparing terrorists overseas just because
they are Americans?

[Alex W.]

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:50:10 -0500, Attila wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:13:10 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in
> alt.abortion with message-id
> <vtgjfeqnxecb.ighkhmm39wzy$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 21:34:08 -0500, Attila wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:54:24 +0000, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>> alt.abortion with message-id
>>> <9q0u9hxc9sep.1ihczvor4teih$.d...@40tude.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It's just another government giveaway program funded mostly by the US.
>>>>
>>>>Have you looked at what they do, exactly? OK, so preserving
>>>>cultural monuments (UNESCO) is not really a full-on capitalist
>>>>programme, but most of the rest work on the backroom nuts and
>>>>bolts that keep the global economy chugging along. I was serious
>>>>when I wrote in response to Jason: without UN agency work,
>>>>there'd be no international shipping, no air travel, no
>>>>communications, no weather maps, no global economy.
>>>
>>> Nonsense.
>>
>>Oh yeah?
>
> Yeah.
>
>>Imagine international flights without common standards and
>>protocols, without common symbols and common terms and a common
>>language. Imagine what would happen to US shipping if it had to
>>comply with a couple of hundred different national sets of
>>maritime rules and regulations *simultaneously*. Imagine trying
>>to make a phone call (also applies to basic internet) without
>>common protocols and standards. Imagine trying to work out a
>>weather forecast for Florida or Nebraska without weather
>>balloons, satellites and information-sharing from Canada or
>>Mexico. Go to Walmart, K-Mart, Target or Costco and imagine all
>>the prices 50-100% higher than they are because the global trade
>>and tariff agreements are not in place. Picture not being able
>>to go into Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else because America
>>would have to negotiate alliances with every partner separately
>>isntead of getting volunteers to sign up to a pre-existing
>>framework of treaties.
>
> Those would still exist without a UN - the structure would simply be
> different.

Neither they nor their equivalent existed before the UN. What's
more, considering how hard-to-impossible it is even with the UN
to get a bunch of prickly nations to agree on anything at all I
would very much doubt that such agreements would be in place.


>
>>
>>The UN may not have much clout and the bits that hit the
>>headlines may look like a waste of money, but the back office
>>boys have been doing more to create wealth and make the world a
>>better and safer place than any ten governments put together.
>>Forget that -- make that a hundred administrations.
>
> I agree it does serve a purpose - but it isn't that important.
>
> It is simply a framework around international structures can be built.
> Other such frameworks would work equally well - they simply are not
> currently necessary.

Other intergovernmental organisations exist -- a veritable
alphabet soup of them. OAS, ASEAN, CIS, IOR-ARC, APEC, the
African Union, Mercosur, CARICOM, and a host of others. What
they all have in common is how utterly ineffectual they are,
little more than junkets for bureaucrats and phot ops for their
political masters. You could write a list of their actual
real-world tangible achievements on a piece of notepaper and
still have room left for a decent doodle.

[Alex W.]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:24:22 +0000, Smiler wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 00:37:32 +0000, Alex W. wrote:
>


>>>>and packet travel is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> Between different areas, it is very relevent. If I send an email to my
>>> friend (on a different ISP) in the next street it is, more than likely,
>>> to go via a satelite.
>>
>> Might be more efficient to use semaphore...
>> :-)
>
> It's even more efficient for me to walk round to his house and ring the
> bell.
> :-)

... with the added bonus of a nice cuppa and a custard cream,
perchance?
:-)


>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> If you only need to wire a small area it can be fast and cheap.
>>>
>>> London is bigger in area than almost any US city. Everywhere in London
>>> has at least 20Mbs available. If we can do it, why can't you?
>>
>> Interesting fact of the day (call QI someone, quickly!): I looked this
>> up and it seems that London doesn't rank highly at all. This site has it
>> at #37:
>>
>> http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-area-125.html
>>
>> Wikipedia lists several different ways of calculationg, and according to
>> them, London ranks between 18th and 32nd:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_largest_cities
>
> Yep, but not a single US city in the other 17 above London.

The wikipedia list is in affabeckle order, not ranked by size ...
:-)

[Alex W.]

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:30:08 -0800, Jason wrote:


> If I was a member of Hitler's army and was assigned to be a prison guard
> at a death camp, I would try my best to escape to America or England.

All concentration camp guards were volunteers.

[Alex W.]

All presidents do.
No president is ever completely "on vacation". They will always
have appointments, daily briefings, urgent business.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

And if you were caught, you would accept your punishment with no
whining, right?

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kglden$rli$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

Yeah, my best friend's ex-husband manages their facility in Orange
County.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kgld0n$ov8$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

> On 2/27/2013 2:08 AM, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-26021...@66-53-218-217.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> >> In article

> >> <e5d8de77-e4c0-406b...@q8g2000pbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>

> >>> On Feb 26, 10:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>>> In article

> >>>> <b38763dc-d2b9-4d5b-b6de-edd5b1bcc...@o5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
> >>>> Devil=
> >>> s
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 27 Feb, 03:35, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <pan.2013.02.27.01.05.15.813...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler

> >>>>
> >>>>>> <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, =3DA0wrote:
> >>>>

> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:02:42 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> >>>>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-7E2B40.04024226022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs60q9lbast2ec3q...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>>>>> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> >>>>>>>>>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >>>>>>>>>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D.22394625022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb773iu7qin3v4tou...@4ax.com>,

> I'm confident that you don't actually believe that Jason's Nazi
> strawman deserved be punished for having a conscience as your response
> suggests. I took it as your estimation of what would likely have
> happened to him.

Where did I say he DESERVED to be punished?

But if a person breaks the laws of the nation he lives in, then he
cannot complain when he is punished for his crime.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

But that is not what we're discussing, now is it? So why are you
attempting to move the goalposts again?

If a person is given an order that is legal under the laws of the nation
he lives in, if he chooses to disobey that order, then the responsible
person gladly accepts the punishment for doing the right thing.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Then he would be justifiably impeached, convicted, and removed from
office.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Of course he does.

NO President is ever really on vacation. He's just working in a
different location.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <mmnri8psr3cs2oe9l...@4ax.com>,
Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:24:33 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> <hlwdjsd2-133E31...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <ru8qi85n84t9fn3af...@4ax.com>,
> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:03:25 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >> <hlwdjsd2-062438...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <56uoi8hmf6nrigfji...@4ax.com>,

> >> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:41:28 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> >> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >> >> <hlwdjsd2-9DB406...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <727oi81lldebf3b1v...@4ax.com>,

> >> >> > Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:51:44 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> >> >> >> <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> >> >> >> <hlwdjsd2-36B2E1...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Why not just guarantee everyone an above average income?
> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >No. I'd rather every single person be provided enough money for the

> >> >> >> >basic necessities. Then, if they want more than that, they can go
> >> >> >> >looking for work to pay for it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why not let them earn the basics too?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Because a civilized country doesn't let people die in the streets.
> >> >>
> >> >> People are dying in the streets in every country, just as they always
> >> >> have.
> >> >

> >> >And that is the most important problem that needs to be fixed in this
> >> >world.
> >>
> >> Spoken like a true liberal.
> >>
> >> Based upon what no one has said I think education is high on the vital
> >> list.
> >
> >It's one of the Big Three: education, food, safe housing. And all of the
> >same quality, no matter where you live.
>
> But it is not the responsibility of the government to provide all
> three.

I disagree.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

So what?

Until their ruling is overruled by a higher court, it still stands as
The Law.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

But until they are overruled, those incorrect rulings are the law of the
land.

[Dakota]

That's got to be a tough job. Orange County has nearly four times as
many people as South Dakota.

[Dakota]

Many religions claim to feed the poor but few do.

[Dakota]

You did answer "Yes." when asked if you believed he should have got 20
years at hard labor.

> But if a person breaks the laws of the nation he lives in, then he
> cannot complain when he is punished for his crime.
>

I've complained when I got a speeding ticket that I deserved but I see
your point.

[Dakota]

Jason seems to think that when President Obama heads out of town, he
just tosses the keys to the country to Vice President Biden.

[Devils Advocaat]

On 27 Feb, 23:36, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <9c53539d-970f-48a2-a2e3-d8fd7460d...@fv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On 27 Feb, 05:45, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article

> > He refused to follow a direct order from his superiors.
>
> > An order that applied to his entire unit.
>
> > On the fallacious grounds that this would be a breach of his oath of
> > allegiance.
>
> >http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html
>
> > Please notice it says here "and that I will obey the orders of the
> > President of the United States and the orders of the officers
> > appointed over me".
>
> > The order for his unit to serve under the UN Peacekeeping forces in
> > Macedonia would have come from the President, who would have received
> > said instructions from the United Nations Security Council, a body
> > formed and supported by the United States.
>
> > So you see, not only did he refuse to obey a Presidential order, he
> > failed to honour his oath of allegiance.
>
> > The man hasn't got a leg to stand on.
>
> > Ergo, I rest my case.
>
> I understand your point of view. However, my point of view and Michael
> New's point of view was that it was an illegal order.
>
> Let's say the US Marine sergeant ordered a young lady that was a private
> to have sex with him. That would be an illegal order and she would not
> have to obey it.

Do you have even the smallest idea how the UN, the UN Security
Council, or the UN Peacekeepers operate?

[Devils Advocaat]

On 27 Feb, 23:42, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <85fe4685-b299-4e3b-890e-c5297b54c...@hq4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On 27 Feb, 05:36, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article

> > > <77f3c782-d2d0-4680-96f5-7540b2eb1...@fv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 27 Feb, 03:37, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > In article <pan.2013.02.27.00.04.57.859...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler

>
> > > > > <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 03:57:33 -0500, =A0wrote:
>

> > > > > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:41:28 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > > <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-9DB406.22412825022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>In article <727oi81lldebf3b1vk26m3g0efa2u6m...@4ax.com>,
> > > > > > >> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:51:44 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > >>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > >>> <hlwdjsd2-36B2E1.15514325022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>> >> Why not just guarantee everyone an above average income?
>
> > > > > > >>> >No. I'd rather every single person be provided enough money

> for th=

> > > > e
> > > > > > >>> >basic necessities. Then, if they want more than that, they can go
> > > > > > >>> >looking for work to pay for it.
>
> > > > > > >>> Why not let them earn the basics too?
>
> > > > > > >>Because a civilized country doesn't let people die in the streets.
>
> > > > > > > People are dying in the streets in every country, just as they
> always
> > > > > > > have.
>

> > > > > > Not through starvation or illness, in the UK.
>
> > > > > It rarely ever happens in America. We have homeless centers in most all
> > > > > cities and most cities give out free meals to homeless people.
>
> > > > > It does not happen that way in India. I found out today that over 40
> > > > > percent of the citizens of India live below the poverty level.
>
> > > > A poverty level far lower than the "poverty" level of the USA.
>
> > > <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_children_die_of_starvation_in_India>
>

> > That link fails to address my point.
>
> > Whereas this should educate you to the massive difference in poverty
> > levels:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_threshold#National_poverty_lines
>
> > To summarise it for you.
>
> > An American individual is considered as being below the poverty line
> > if he or she has to live on less than $945 a month.
>
> > An individual in urban India is considered as being below the poverty
> > line if he or she has to live on less than 538 rupees (or $12) a
> > month.
>
> > A massive difference, don't you agree?
>
> yes

And that's all you have to say on the subject, is it?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-210-68.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article

> <9c53539d-970f-48a2...@fv9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On 27 Feb, 05:45, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article

> > > <b38763dc-d2b9-4d5b-b6de-edd5b1bcc...@o5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> > s
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 27 Feb, 03:35, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > In article <pan.2013.02.27.01.05.15.813...@JoeKing.com>, Smiler

> > >
> > > > > <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:16:24 -0500, =3DA0wrote:
> > >

> > > > > > > On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 04:02:42 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > > <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > > <hlwdjsd2-7E2B40.04024226022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>In article <8nuoi81bb84drjphs60q9lbast2ec3q...@4ax.com>,
> > > > > > >> Attila <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:39:47 -0800, Jeanne Douglas

> > > > > > >>> <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> in alt.abortion with message-id

> > > > > > >>> <hlwdjsd2-8D5E4D.22394625022...@news.giganews.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > >>> >In article <lm7oi85u7udigffb773iu7qin3v4tou...@4ax.com>,

Yes, that would be an illegal order.

But the order New disobeyed was a legal order, no matter what you or he
believe. Your beliefs are irrelevant.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kgmfbd$jep$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>

That's not saying he deserved to be punished. It's saying that if
convicted of breaking the law, that would be his punishment.

> > But if a person breaks the laws of the nation he lives in, then he
> > cannot complain when he is punished for his crime.
> >
> I've complained when I got a speeding ticket that I deserved but I see
> your point.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-BE3354...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

It usually happens that way. In some cases, the countries allow political
prisoners to go to America.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-3E2E11...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

I don't know. I have never been an inmate.

[Jason]

In article
<04c0e461-3a90-48b1...@hq4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

For now, yes.

[Jason]

In article <187ti858pumb9f8vm...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:36:06 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >> So you see, not only did he refuse to obey a Presidential order, he
> >> failed to honour his oath of allegiance.
> >>
> >> The man hasn't got a leg to stand on.
> >>
> >> Ergo, I rest my case.
> >
> >I understand your point of view. However, my point of view and Michael
> >New's point of view was that it was an illegal order.
>

> It is not up to you to decide what is a legal order or not.

>
> >Let's say the US Marine sergeant ordered a young lady that was a private
> >to have sex with him. That would be an illegal order and she would not
> >have to obey it.
>

> Strawman arguments only weaken your case.
> You need to show that the order in question is an illegal order.
> --
> Ferrit
>
> ()'.'.'()
> ( (T) )
> ( ) . ( )
> (")_(")
> Atheist #1211
> EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div.
>
> SERV:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWhXGhv-tTo
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7bsUttGho8
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60mZsohBr3Q
>
>
>

Michael New tried hard to do it. In all cases, various courts ruled
against him. The judges determined that it was their opinion that it was a
legal order.

Judges have been wrong before. Supreme Court judges once ruled that
slavery was legal. Were those judges correct when they made that court
ruling?

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-5F82E9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:



> > > http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html
> > >
> > > Please notice it says here "and that I will obey the orders of the
> > > President of the United States and the orders of the officers
> > > appointed over me".
> > >
> > > The order for his unit to serve under the UN Peacekeeping forces in
> > > Macedonia would have come from the President, who would have received
> > > said instructions from the United Nations Security Council, a body
> > > formed and supported by the United States.
> > >
> > > So you see, not only did he refuse to obey a Presidential order, he
> > > failed to honour his oath of allegiance.
> > >
> > > The man hasn't got a leg to stand on.
> > >
> > > Ergo, I rest my case.
> >
> > I understand your point of view. However, my point of view and Michael
> > New's point of view was that it was an illegal order.
> >
> > Let's say the US Marine sergeant ordered a young lady that was a private
> > to have sex with him. That would be an illegal order and she would not
> > have to obey it.
>
> Yes, that would be an illegal order.
>
> But the order New disobeyed was a legal order, no matter what you or he
> believe. Your beliefs are irrelevant.

Yes, judges determined that it was a legal order. However, Michael New and
thousands of conservatives believe those judges were wrong. Judges have
been wrong before--supreme court judges once ruled that slavery was legal.
Were they correct?

[Jason]

In article
<296a2767-a162-49e5...@h11g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,

Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:


> > > The order for his unit to serve under the UN Peacekeeping forces in
> > > Macedonia would have come from the President, who would have received
> > > said instructions from the United Nations Security Council, a body
> > > formed and supported by the United States.
> >
> > > So you see, not only did he refuse to obey a Presidential order, he
> > > failed to honour his oath of allegiance.
> >
> > > The man hasn't got a leg to stand on.
> >
> > > Ergo, I rest my case.
> >
> > I understand your point of view. However, my point of view and Michael
> > New's point of view was that it was an illegal order.
> >
> > Let's say the US Marine sergeant ordered a young lady that was a private
> > to have sex with him. That would be an illegal order and she would not
> > have to obey it.
>
> Do you have even the smallest idea how the UN, the UN Security
> Council, or the UN Peacekeepers operate?

Why not just tell us what you know:

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-53920E...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:


> > Courts on occassion make the wrong rulings.
>
> So what?
>
> Until their ruling is overruled by a higher court, it still stands as
> The Law.

You are correct but in the future, a court may have a different point of
view on this subject.

[Jason]

In article <0d7ti8ld5g9dt5fv7...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:25:05 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >In article <XnsA1744818A183A...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >> news:Jason-26021...@66-53-216-229.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >>
> >> > In article
> >> > <baf52a56-ea8f-4e02...@d11g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > "Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >

> >> >> On Feb 26, 5:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >> >> > In article <epuoi8d2ispfs8ocgsfkrirj2ocvcvf...@4ax.com>, Attila

> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > <<procho...@here.now> wrote:
> >> >> > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:23:12 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) in
> >> >> > > alt.abortion with message-id
> >> >> > > <Jason-2502132223120...@67-150-174-129.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> >

> >> >> > > >In article <6clni8d97l147vte71hrvs2tr9li4tj...@4ax.com>, Attila

> >> >> > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying anything

> >> >> > > that strikes his whim.

> >> >> >
> >> >> > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a right to

> >> >> > kill any American that is living overseas if he considers him or

> >> >> > her to be threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas
> >> >> > :-))
> >> >>

> >> >> Boy, you refuse point blank to stop lying, doncha?
> >> >>
> >> >> PDW
> >> >
> >> > Does Obama believe he has the right to kill any American that lives
> >> > overseas that he considered to be a threat? yes or no
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> His duty is to protect America from "all
> >> threats, foreign and domestic".
> >>
> >> Would you want a president who refused to
> >> do that?
> >
> >What if the next president makes use of the policy to kill his political
> >enemies?
> >

> If they rule it a war as they have done so in this case then I am sure it will
> be quite legal. You allowed your lawmakers to make up these crap rules,
if you
> do not like it why vote for them?

> --
> Ferrit
>
> ()'.'.'()
> ( (T) )
> ( ) . ( )
> (")_(")
> Atheist #1211
> EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div.
>
> SERV:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWhXGhv-tTo
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7bsUttGho8
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60mZsohBr3Q
>
>
>

One of the problems it that presidents (like Nixon) may appear to be a
wonderful person during that campaign but turn out to be a scumbag after
being elected. I voted for Nixon and have always regretted that vote or
votes.

[Jason]

In article <XnsA174BD5AFCDF3...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Holman <nomailverizon.net> wrote:


> >> > What if the next president makes use of the policy to kill his
> >> > political enemies?
> >>
> >>

> >> Now you just being silly. The issue is terrorists
> >> getting a free pass just because they are Americans.
> >>
> >>
> >> PS: Remember the American Taliban?
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh
> >
> > Do you remember Nixon's enemy's list? I believe he would have loved to
> > fire missiles at his political enemies.
>
>
> WTF does that have to do with your stance
> about sparing terrorists overseas just because
> they are Americans?

I fear that Obama and future presidents may mis-use the policy to kill
political enemies. I remember Nixon's enemy's list. Do you?

[Jason]

In article <gf7ti8pj46qonp3tu...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:23:21 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >> Nixon's paranoia led to his resignation. President Obama shows no
> >> signs of paranoia.
> >
> >If Bush2 issued an order that allowed him to kill any Americans that are
> >overseas that he considered to be a threat, the liberal news media would
> >be all over this policy like flies on fecal material.
>
> Are you really that naive to think he never did that?
> --
> Ferrit

As far as I know, that did not happen.

[Jason]

In article <13ywov4ffech$.bol79u5k...@40tude.net>, ing...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 15:26:34 -0800, Jason wrote:
>
> > In article <q1r9v93fz4jc$.1vp882w6...@40tude.net>,
> > ing...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 23:53:18 -0800, Jason wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article

> >>> <d0279cfc-3aaa-4ce7...@pl9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 26, 8:25=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>>>> In article <hlwdjsd2-DE9D79.18570126022...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

> >>
> >>
> >>>>> > > > But the current White House idiot is not beyond trying

anything tha=

> >>>> t
> >>>>> > > > strikes his whim.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > > That is 100% correct. Obama has even decided that he has a

right to k=

> >>>> ill
> >>>>> > > any American that is living overseas if he considers him or
her to be
> >>>>> > > threats. I hope Rush Limbaugh does not travel overseas :-))
> >>>>>

> >>>>> > =A0Wow. Jason is calling Rush Limbaugh a terrorist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's more like, Obama considers him to be a threat.
> >>>>
> >>>> I highly doubt that Obama gives Limbaugh five seconds of thought in
> >>>> any given month.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You are probably correct. On a normal day, he is probably thinking about
> >>> his next vacation or his next golf match with Tiger Woods. Has Obama
> >>> broken the record related to taking vacations? It seems like he takes a
> >>> vacation about every other month.
> >>
> >> And you are certainly wrong.
> >>
> >> http://factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/
> >>
> >> "So far, President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31
> >> months in office. At this point in their presidencies, George W.
> >> Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined
> >> him for meetings. And Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days
> >> at his ranch. Among recent presidents, Bill Clinton took the
> >> least time off -- 28 days."
> >>
> >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/17/eveningnews/main20093801.shtml
> >
> > Thanks. Does Obama have meetings with his staff members when he is on
vacations?
>

> All presidents do.
> No president is ever completely "on vacation". They will always
> have appointments, daily briefings, urgent business.

After the four Americans were killed, a news story indicated that (unlike
Bush2) Obama did NOT attend security briefings while on vacation or on
trips. He started attending security briefings after that news story made
him look like a bad president.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Jason-27021...@66-53-214-17.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Irrelevant.