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J
Nov 15, 2012, 12:58:07 AM11/15/12
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Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
pro-decency activist.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/14/contraception-may-not-reduce-the-number-of-abortions/
Libby Anne, of Love, Joy, Feminism, recently blogged about �How [She]
Lost Faith in the �Pro-Life� Movement.� Marc Barnes addresses Libby
Anne�s statements in a three-part blog post series.
I won�t speak to his first two posts, but the third, entitled �Does
Contraception Reduce the Abortion Rate? (Rebuttal Part 3),� addresses
the oft-repeated argument that if pro-lifers are unhappy about the
number of abortions taking place in the United States, we should make
sure condoms show up as an item on adolescents� school supply lists and
not complain about the HHS mandate that insurance plans cover
contraception without copay.
Mr. Barnes covers a variety of arguments, including the
apples-to-oranges nature of comparisons of Eastern and Western Europe�s
contraception use/abortion rates, but here�s one reason he argues
contraception may not actually reduce abortion:
As Guttmacher researcher Stanley Henshaw noted in his review �Unintended
Pregnancy in the United States�, �contraceptive users appear to have
been more motivated to prevent births than were nonusers�.
The CDC has consistently reported that the majority of abortions are
performed on women who were using contraception at the time of their
last menstrual cycle, that is, at the time they conceived. If
contraceptive users are more motivated to have abortions than
non-contraceptive users, then it is not ridiculous to posit that the
increased use of contraception in the USA was a major factor in the
simultaneous increase in abortions�
The use of contraception is the attempt to have sex while avoiding
having children. To conceive a child despite using contraception means
that that attempt has failed. If the attempt fails, then that newly
created human life naturally represents a failure. The contraceptive
mentality � a mentality I believe can exist whether or not one uses
specifically uses contraceptive devices while having sex � carries over
into pregnancy. If I want to avoid a child while having sex, chances are
I will want to avoid a child when my partner becomes pregnant.
The author goes on to state that, of course, not all couples who use any
form of contraception will go on to abort their child, should they
conceive. I would argue this is particularly true among Evangelical
Christians, many of whom have not been advised by their clergy to eschew
contraception but most of whom oppose abortion. Regardless, Mr. Barnes�s
point stands: It may be that members of a society lulled into a false
sense of security about its ability to have sex without consequences are
more likely to abort than those not using contraception at all.
--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com
http://www.americandecency.org/
pro-decency activist.
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/14/contraception-may-not-reduce-the-number-of-abortions/
Libby Anne, of Love, Joy, Feminism, recently blogged about �How [She]
Lost Faith in the �Pro-Life� Movement.� Marc Barnes addresses Libby
Anne�s statements in a three-part blog post series.
I won�t speak to his first two posts, but the third, entitled �Does
Contraception Reduce the Abortion Rate? (Rebuttal Part 3),� addresses
the oft-repeated argument that if pro-lifers are unhappy about the
number of abortions taking place in the United States, we should make
sure condoms show up as an item on adolescents� school supply lists and
not complain about the HHS mandate that insurance plans cover
contraception without copay.
Mr. Barnes covers a variety of arguments, including the
apples-to-oranges nature of comparisons of Eastern and Western Europe�s
contraception use/abortion rates, but here�s one reason he argues
contraception may not actually reduce abortion:
As Guttmacher researcher Stanley Henshaw noted in his review �Unintended
Pregnancy in the United States�, �contraceptive users appear to have
been more motivated to prevent births than were nonusers�.
The CDC has consistently reported that the majority of abortions are
performed on women who were using contraception at the time of their
last menstrual cycle, that is, at the time they conceived. If
contraceptive users are more motivated to have abortions than
non-contraceptive users, then it is not ridiculous to posit that the
increased use of contraception in the USA was a major factor in the
simultaneous increase in abortions�
The use of contraception is the attempt to have sex while avoiding
having children. To conceive a child despite using contraception means
that that attempt has failed. If the attempt fails, then that newly
created human life naturally represents a failure. The contraceptive
mentality � a mentality I believe can exist whether or not one uses
specifically uses contraceptive devices while having sex � carries over
into pregnancy. If I want to avoid a child while having sex, chances are
I will want to avoid a child when my partner becomes pregnant.
The author goes on to state that, of course, not all couples who use any
form of contraception will go on to abort their child, should they
conceive. I would argue this is particularly true among Evangelical
Christians, many of whom have not been advised by their clergy to eschew
contraception but most of whom oppose abortion. Regardless, Mr. Barnes�s
point stands: It may be that members of a society lulled into a false
sense of security about its ability to have sex without consequences are
more likely to abort than those not using contraception at all.
--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com
http://www.americandecency.org/
Jeanne Douglas
Nov 15, 2012, 2:17:00 AM11/15/12
to
In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com>
wrote:
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
wrote:
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
W.T.S.
Nov 15, 2012, 3:47:49 AM11/15/12
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In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
activist.
This has to be the worst sort of disinformation you've ever published,
"J". It's not even good disinformation, it's pure, lying bull shit
easily recognized as pure, lying bull shit and the lowest grade of
propaganda. Add that to being published on an internet lie rag, and
it's enough to make a maggot gag.
>
> http://www.LieNews.com/Lies/Propaganda/Disinformation/Bigotry/Hate/
>
<snip> Obvious lying bull shit by a pro-liar loon, why repost? </snip>
>
Summary: Easy access to proper contraception, coupled with
comprehensive sex education greatly reduced abortions. Those are the
actual facts. For more _facts_, follow the links below:
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8
>
http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4
>
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
You spelled it wrong, "J". The proper spelling is "pro-degeneracy
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
activist.
This has to be the worst sort of disinformation you've ever published,
"J". It's not even good disinformation, it's pure, lying bull shit
easily recognized as pure, lying bull shit and the lowest grade of
propaganda. Add that to being published on an internet lie rag, and
it's enough to make a maggot gag.
>
> http://www.LieNews.com/Lies/Propaganda/Disinformation/Bigotry/Hate/
>
<snip> Obvious lying bull shit by a pro-liar loon, why repost? </snip>
>
Summary: Easy access to proper contraception, coupled with
comprehensive sex education greatly reduced abortions. Those are the
actual facts. For more _facts_, follow the links below:
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/c4thugl
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg
>
http://tinyurl.com/7q2ft38
>
http://tinyurl.com/7hk9gk8
>
http://tinyurl.com/ybmwsk4
duke
Nov 15, 2012, 7:29:50 AM11/15/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:17:00 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
>In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
>> pro-decency activist.
>
> Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
Haahaahaa. Remember, put it on your thumb like the pharmacist showed you.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************
wrote:
>In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
>> pro-decency activist.
>
> Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
The dukester, American - American
********************************************
You can't fix stupid.
********************************************
Syd M.
Nov 15, 2012, 7:44:32 AM11/15/12
to
On Nov 15, 12:58 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
>
>
Nope.
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
>
>
Nothing has been disproved by you indecent misogynists.
PDW
Syd M.
Nov 15, 2012, 7:45:14 AM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 7:30 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:17:00 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <63ulqm.iah.1...@news.alt.net>, J <jdyou...@ymail.com>
that.
PDW
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:17:00 -0800, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <63ulqm.iah.1...@news.alt.net>, J <jdyou...@ymail.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >> pro-decency activist.
>
> > Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
>
> Haahaahaa. Remember, put it on your thumb like the pharmacist showed you.
>
>
You comedy career is not going to get anywhere with material like
>
> >> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >> pro-decency activist.
>
> > Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
>
> Haahaahaa. Remember, put it on your thumb like the pharmacist showed you.
>
>
that.
PDW
MarkA
Nov 15, 2012, 9:04:12 AM11/15/12
to
On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:17:00 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
>> pro-decency activist.
>
> Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
The premise seems to be that people who have sex but don't want kids will
> In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
>> pro-decency activist.
>
> Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
use abortion as a "rescue" for failed contraception. Makes sense, and is
hardly an argument *against* the use of contraceptives.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
•R.Measures
Nov 15, 2012, 9:48:55 AM11/15/12
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In article <pan.2012.11.15....@nowhere.invalid>, MarkA
Friday because of contraceptive failure. Giving birth to a baby with HIV
is probably not a good idea despite what the pope's dicta happens to be in
this century.
<nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:17:00 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
> > In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >> pro-decency activist.
> >
> > Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
>
> The premise seems to be that people who have sex but don't want kids will
> use abortion as a "rescue" for failed contraception. Makes sense, and is
> hardly an argument *against* the use of contraceptives.
*** Indeed MA. A friend with several STDs is having the procedure this
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:17:00 -0800, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
> > In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >> pro-decency activist.
> >
> > Then we need more education so people know how to use it properly.
>
> The premise seems to be that people who have sex but don't want kids will
> use abortion as a "rescue" for failed contraception. Makes sense, and is
> hardly an argument *against* the use of contraceptives.
Friday because of contraceptive failure. Giving birth to a baby with HIV
is probably not a good idea despite what the pope's dicta happens to be in
this century.
Davej
Nov 15, 2012, 11:28:26 AM11/15/12
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On Nov 14, 11:58 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>[...]
How could contraception reduce the abortion rate if conservatives
don't want it to? They simply invent their own "facts" and believe
what they want to believe.
>[...]
How could contraception reduce the abortion rate if conservatives
don't want it to? They simply invent their own "facts" and believe
what they want to believe.
elizabeth
Nov 15, 2012, 2:55:50 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 14, 9:58 pm, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
>
> http://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/14/contraception-may-not-reduce-the-n...
> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> pro-decency activist.
>
The best method is vasectomy, and if we really want to get rid of
unwanted pregnancy, we will demand that more males get the process.
There is a method using a "plug" made of soy, that dissolves in 7
years. There is NO MORBIDITY OR MORTALITY associated with
vasectomies, unlike any female method, and VASECTOMIES ARE BY FAR THE
MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND THE MOST RELIABLE.
Brian E. Clark
Nov 15, 2012, 6:02:17 PM11/15/12
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In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, jdyoung1
@ymail.com says...
> Subject: Contraception may not reduce the number of abortions
Are you a COMPLETE imbecile, J?
--
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Brian E. Clark
@ymail.com says...
> Subject: Contraception may not reduce the number of abortions
Are you a COMPLETE imbecile, J?
--
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Brian E. Clark
Smiler
Nov 15, 2012, 7:54:27 PM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:02:17 -0500, Brian E. Clark wrote:
> In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, jdyoung1 @ymail.com says...
>
>> Subject: Contraception may not reduce the number of abortions
>
> Are you a COMPLETE imbecile, J?
Yes.
> In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, jdyoung1 @ymail.com says...
>
>> Subject: Contraception may not reduce the number of abortions
>
> Are you a COMPLETE imbecile, J?
--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Zacharias Mulletstein
Nov 16, 2012, 2:41:18 AM11/16/12
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"Syd M." <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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•RLMEAS@teranews.com
Nov 17, 2012, 2:56:39 PM11/17/12
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In article <MPG.2b0f3e775...@news.eternal-september.org>, Brian
when the 3rd semester is when they get a brain?
cheerz Brian
E. Clark <brian...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
> In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, jdyoung1
> @ymail.com says...
>
> > Subject: Contraception may not reduce the number of abortions
>
> Are you a COMPLETE imbecile, J?
• Who else would say that 1st Semester abortees feel pain
> In article <63ulqm....@news.alt.net>, jdyoung1
> @ymail.com says...
>
> > Subject: Contraception may not reduce the number of abortions
>
> Are you a COMPLETE imbecile, J?
when the 3rd semester is when they get a brain?
cheerz Brian
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•RLMEAS@teranews.com
Nov 19, 2012, 12:00:15 PM11/19/12
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In article <qovea8tr59sts8qr2...@4ax.com>, Attila
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:58:07 -0800, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> in
> alt.abortion with message-id <63ulqm....@news.alt.net> wrote:
>
> >Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >pro-decency activist.
>
> Facts trump propaganda every time, and this is pure propaganda.
*** ... and why not Mr. Hun? For Christians the Ten Commandments do not
proscribe lying as long as it's general-purpose and not calumny.
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:58:07 -0800, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> in
> alt.abortion with message-id <63ulqm....@news.alt.net> wrote:
>
> >Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >pro-decency activist.
>
*** ... and why not Mr. Hun? For Christians the Ten Commandments do not
proscribe lying as long as it's general-purpose and not calumny.
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•RLMEAS@teranews.com
Nov 19, 2012, 4:46:46 PM11/19/12
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In article <426la89doqfo6cegl...@4ax.com>, Attila
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> That is what is very scary about all superstitions. They allow
> anything for someone who is doing something approved of by their Great
> One.
• indeed
>
> If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
> prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
> that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
> and another, slightly different form will cast you into
> eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
> worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
> murderer.
• organized religion has a history of murder and even genocide.
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> anything for someone who is doing something approved of by their Great
> One.
• indeed
>
> If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
> prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
> that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
> and another, slightly different form will cast you into
> eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
> worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
> murderer.
• organized religion has a history of murder and even genocide.
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•RLMeasures
Dec 1, 2012, 3:07:47 PM12/1/12
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In article <426la89doqfo6cegl...@4ax.com>, Attila
with cute, young boys in Islamic Paradise.
from religious conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:00:15 -0800, r...@somis.org (•RLM...@teranews.com)
> in alt.abortion with message-id <r-1911120...@10.0.1.3> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:00:15 -0800, r...@somis.org (•RLM...@teranews.com)
> in alt.abortion with message-id <r-1911120...@10.0.1.3> wrote:
>
> That is what is very scary about all superstitions. They allow
> anything for someone who is doing something approved of by their Great
> One.
• Indeed. Gay Muslims who suicide bomb their countrymen are rewarded
> anything for someone who is doing something approved of by their Great
> One.
with cute, young boys in Islamic Paradise.
>
> If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
> prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
> that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
> and another, slightly different form will cast you into
> eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
> worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
> murderer.
• - "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it
> If you *actually* believe this life is merely a short
> prelude to the one to come and if you *actually* believe
> that one form of magic will enable you to live it in bliss
> and another, slightly different form will cast you into
> eternal fire, then anyone pushing the wrong magic is the
> worst imaginable kind of criminal, far worse than a mere
> murderer.
from religious conviction."
- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
•RLMeasures
Dec 1, 2012, 3:09:34 PM12/1/12
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In article <6adla8l3l1eqi6va8...@4ax.com>, Attila
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> It doesn't take organized superstitions. Just one nut will do.
• true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
• true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
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•RLMeasures
Dec 1, 2012, 8:09:20 PM12/1/12
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In article <au3lb8d6ed8ievs0p...@4ax.com>, Attila
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> It facilitates a lot of things - all bad.
• and for millennia.
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
• and for millennia.
Syd M.
Dec 1, 2012, 8:32:52 PM12/1/12
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On Nov 16, 2:41 am, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
<zachariasmulletst...@isright.com> wrote:
> "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
That's right.
NOTHING.
PDW
<zachariasmulletst...@isright.com> wrote:
> "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
NOTHING.
PDW
Zacharias Mulletstein
Dec 2, 2012, 2:37:19 AM12/2/12
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news:c9656386-6456-40fc...@17g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
No.
Syd M.
Dec 2, 2012, 2:45:43 AM12/2/12
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On Dec 2, 2:37 am, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
NOTHING.
PDW
<zachariasmulletst...@isright.com> wrote:
> "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c9656386-6456-40fc...@17g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
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>
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>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 2:41 am, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
> > <zachariasmulletst...@isright.com> wrote:
> >> "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:5e3b75b6-7bdf-4e8a...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Nov 15, 12:58 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >> >> pro-decency activist.
>
> >> > Nope.
> >> > Nothing has been disproved by you indecent misogynists.
>
> >> No.
>
> > That's right.
> > NOTHING.
>
> > PDW
>
> No.
Yep.
> "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c9656386-6456-40fc...@17g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 2:41 am, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
> > <zachariasmulletst...@isright.com> wrote:
> >> "Syd M." <pauldavidwri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:5e3b75b6-7bdf-4e8a...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Nov 15, 12:58 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Once again. a radical social liberal myth has been dispelled by a
> >> >> pro-decency activist.
>
> >> > Nope.
> >> > Nothing has been disproved by you indecent misogynists.
>
> >> No.
>
> > That's right.
> > NOTHING.
>
> > PDW
>
> No.
NOTHING.
PDW
Linuxgal
Dec 2, 2012, 11:23:35 AM12/2/12
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•RLMeasures wrote:
> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find new prey.
> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
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•RLMeasures
Dec 2, 2012, 1:58:08 PM12/2/12
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In article <psGdnVZE9PwVHSbN...@giganews.com>, Linuxgal
fresh hunting grounds. The bad news is that the hierarchy does not warn
any of the parents in the new diocese that the new priest is a miscreant
who has an affinity for boy butt. .
<tere...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> •RLMeasures wrote:
> > • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
>
> By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find new prey.
�€ Indeed. Also known as moving 'chicken-hawks' - a.k.a. pedophiles - to
> •RLMeasures wrote:
> > • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
>
> By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find new prey.
fresh hunting grounds. The bad news is that the hierarchy does not warn
any of the parents in the new diocese that the new priest is a miscreant
who has an affinity for boy butt. .
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•RLMeasures
Dec 2, 2012, 5:40:08 PM12/2/12
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In article <hqenb811gp28gcr5j...@4ax.com>, Attila
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> That would be admitting a member of the organization could possibly do
> something wrong, an act which is forbidden.
�€ Sounds like a good ol' boys club when it comes to admitting a flub. .
>
> First insure survival of the organization by never admitting error
> until forced to do so.
<<proc...@here.now> wrote:
> something wrong, an act which is forbidden.
�€ Sounds like a good ol' boys club when it comes to admitting a flub. .
>
> First insure survival of the organization by never admitting error
> until forced to do so.
Zacharias Mulletstein
Dec 2, 2012, 8:57:40 PM12/2/12
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duke
Dec 3, 2012, 8:20:27 AM12/3/12
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:23:35 -0800, Linuxgal <tere...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>•RLMeasures wrote:
>> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
>By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find new prey.
Oh, rl's still playing his silly boy games.
>•RLMeasures wrote:
>> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
>By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find new prey.
Associate pastors are routinely moved every 2 years and pastors ever 7 years,
and ONLY within their own diocese as they work for the bishop of the diocese.
For instance, in Los Angeles diocese, that's only 10 miles x 10 miles square.
Hard, real hard, to pretend it's fresh hunting grounds, or who came from a
reported pedo site and who didn't.
The dukester, American - American
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•RLMeasures
Dec 3, 2012, 9:20:43 AM12/3/12
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In article <2g9pb8tns28bjnrfp...@4ax.com>, duke
Camarillo is in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:23:35 -0800, Linuxgal <tere...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >•RLMeasures wrote:
> >> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
>
> >By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find new prey.
>
> Oh, rl's still playing his silly boy games.
>
> Associate pastors are routinely moved every 2 years and pastors ever 7 years,
> and ONLY within their own diocese as they work for the bishop of the diocese.
> For instance, in Los Angeles diocese, that's only 10 miles x 10 miles square.
> Hard, real hard, to pretend it's fresh hunting grounds, or who came from a
> reported pedo site and who didn't.
>
• 10-miles? I live 50-miles from the new $500,000,000 L.A. Cathedral and
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:23:35 -0800, Linuxgal <tere...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
> >•RLMeasures wrote:
> >> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
>
> >By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find new prey.
>
> Oh, rl's still playing his silly boy games.
>
> Associate pastors are routinely moved every 2 years and pastors ever 7 years,
> and ONLY within their own diocese as they work for the bishop of the diocese.
> For instance, in Los Angeles diocese, that's only 10 miles x 10 miles square.
> Hard, real hard, to pretend it's fresh hunting grounds, or who came from a
> reported pedo site and who didn't.
>
Camarillo is in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.
duke
Dec 4, 2012, 12:51:53 PM12/4/12
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•RLMeasures
Dec 4, 2012, 7:44:42 PM12/4/12
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In article <o0esb8hl7t3q4el6u...@4ax.com>, duke
archdiocese is much larger than that Duke.
<duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 06:20:43 -0800, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <2g9pb8tns28bjnrfp...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:23:35 -0800, Linuxgal
<tere...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >•RLMeasures wrote:
> >> >> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
> >>
> >> >By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find
new prey.
> >>
> >> Oh, rl's still playing his silly boy games.
> >>
> >> Associate pastors are routinely moved every 2 years and pastors ever
7 years,
> >> and ONLY within their own diocese as they work for the bishop of the
diocese.
> >> For instance, in Los Angeles diocese, that's only 10 miles x 10 miles
square.
> >> Hard, real hard, to pretend it's fresh hunting grounds, or who came from a
> >> reported pedo site and who didn't.
> >>
> >• 10-miles? I live 50-miles from the new $500,000,000 L.A. Cathedral and
> >Camarillo is in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.
>
> 100 = 10 x 10.
>
• The city of Los Angeles itself is 469 square miles and the
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 06:20:43 -0800, r...@somis.org (•RLMeasures) wrote:
>
> >In article <2g9pb8tns28bjnrfp...@4ax.com>, duke
> ><duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:23:35 -0800, Linuxgal
<tere...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >•RLMeasures wrote:
> >> >> • true but organized religion facilitates miscreant behaviour.
> >>
> >> >By shuffling the miscreants to fresh parishes where they can find
new prey.
> >>
> >> Oh, rl's still playing his silly boy games.
> >>
> >> Associate pastors are routinely moved every 2 years and pastors ever
7 years,
> >> and ONLY within their own diocese as they work for the bishop of the
diocese.
> >> For instance, in Los Angeles diocese, that's only 10 miles x 10 miles
square.
> >> Hard, real hard, to pretend it's fresh hunting grounds, or who came from a
> >> reported pedo site and who didn't.
> >>
> >• 10-miles? I live 50-miles from the new $500,000,000 L.A. Cathedral and
> >Camarillo is in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.
>
> 100 = 10 x 10.
>
archdiocese is much larger than that Duke.
duke
Dec 5, 2012, 9:08:49 AM12/5/12
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•RLMeasures
Dec 5, 2012, 10:37:24 AM12/5/12
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In article <5blub81ih2h24vdfk...@4ax.com>, duke
• 100 square miles is wrong. The Archdiocese of Los Angeles is the
largest in the U.S.
largest in the U.S.
duke
Dec 5, 2012, 2:56:09 PM12/5/12
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years, but my reference to the Diocese of LA might now be called the Ladies of
the Angels Pastoral Region, and it encompasses the area from Pacific Palisades
to Glendale to Lynnwood to LAX to Pacific Palisades, which is nominally 100 sq
miles. There are 4 separate but intertwined deaneries in there. The regional
bishop is Edward William Clark. Now, I'm no expert on these things, but a
bishop generally controls the priests in his diocese which I now take to mean
the Ladies of the Angels Pastoral Region. And so my comment re priest movement
and pedo priests would be 10 miles, hardly a way to hide a pedo priest. The
Archbishop is currently José Horacio Gómez.
•RLMeasures
Dec 5, 2012, 3:57:39 PM12/5/12
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In article <hl8vb8djv9k7m7c66...@4ax.com>, duke
• he never admits that a wrong assumption was a miistake.
Alan Ferris
Dec 5, 2012, 5:29:30 PM12/5/12
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:56:09 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>but my reference to the Diocese of LA might now be called the Ladies of
>the Angels Pastoral Region,
A Pastoral region is not a diocese, just as the United States Catholic church is
>but my reference to the Diocese of LA might now be called the Ladies of
>the Angels Pastoral Region,
not just the Archdiocese of LA.
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Alan Ferris
Dec 5, 2012, 5:33:21 PM12/5/12
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A diocese is the district or see under the supervision of a bishop.
Archdiocese have pastoral regions under the control of Auxiliary Bishops/
Any educated catholic knows the difference.
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duke
Dec 6, 2012, 1:34:02 PM12/6/12
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Today I find the reference of "Ladies of the Angels Pastoral Region" of 100 sq
miles. I never myself used the Archdiocese in this discussion. You just never
caught on.
•RLMeasures
Dec 7, 2012, 10:51:42 AM12/7/12
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duke
Dec 7, 2012, 12:19:15 PM12/7/12
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can move associate pastors secretly.
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