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Budikka666
Oct 13, 2012, 10:21:36 AM10/13/12
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When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
This is how it works:
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/10/european-food-safety-authority-slams-
gm-maize-study.html
Contrast this with religion: it's wrong, yet there is no one out there on
the theist side even trying to put it right because every one of them is
hooked on their own dogma.
That's why religion has so spectacularly failed and continues to do so,
and why science, in the long run, is the best bet for discovering the
truth about reality - something religion cannot ever hope to do.
Budikka
That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
This is how it works:
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/10/european-food-safety-authority-slams-
gm-maize-study.html
Contrast this with religion: it's wrong, yet there is no one out there on
the theist side even trying to put it right because every one of them is
hooked on their own dogma.
That's why religion has so spectacularly failed and continues to do so,
and why science, in the long run, is the best bet for discovering the
truth about reality - something religion cannot ever hope to do.
Budikka
Freedom Man
Oct 13, 2012, 11:57:30 AM10/13/12
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"Budikka666" <Budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Thank you!
news:k5btdg$fbe$1...@dont-email.me...
Andrew
Oct 13, 2012, 2:48:18 PM10/13/12
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"Budikka666" wrote:
> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
"We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
> Budikka
Andrew
Ken
Oct 13, 2012, 4:07:43 PM10/13/12
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On Oct 13, 7:21 am, Budikka666 <Budik...@netscape.net> wrote:
> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
> This is how it works:http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/10/european-food-safety-authority-s...
> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
> gm-maize-study.html
>
> Contrast this with religion: it's wrong, yet there is no one out there on
> the theist side even trying to put it right because every one of them is
> hooked on their own dogma.
>
> That's why religion has so spectacularly failed and continues to do so,
> and why science, in the long run, is the best bet for discovering the
> truth about reality - something religion cannot ever hope to do.
>
> Budikka
When biblethumpers are wrong or get duped, they will NEVER admit it!
>
> Contrast this with religion: it's wrong, yet there is no one out there on
> the theist side even trying to put it right because every one of them is
> hooked on their own dogma.
>
> That's why religion has so spectacularly failed and continues to do so,
> and why science, in the long run, is the best bet for discovering the
> truth about reality - something religion cannot ever hope to do.
>
> Budikka
Example; Dimwit Davie Boi...DUPED by The Onion
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
From: "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Oct 1 2009 11:10 am
Subject: Looks like Astronaut Neil Armstrong comes clean on the
alleged Moon Landing of 1969. It WAS a hoax afterall.
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/conspiracy_theorist_convinces_neil
I always thought it was ; how about you ???
Not only did he completely fall for this satirical article,
he NEVER once has admitted that he was duped.
Talk about a fucking idiot!
(FYI).... The Onion is an American news satire organization. It
features
satirical articles reporting on international, national, local news
and comment on current events, real and imaginary)
Some of Dimwitted Dave's other dumbassed ideas:
That the Earth is ONLY 6000 years old
That the Sun runs by "Nitrogen exploding into Helium"
That Man and Dinos lived together
Kelsey Bjarnason
Oct 14, 2012, 1:06:55 AM10/14/12
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making. Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
Andrew
Oct 14, 2012, 2:16:31 AM10/14/12
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"Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote in message news:k5dh9f$eff$1...@dont-email.me...
> Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>> heroes.
>>
>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> making.
Only within genetic limits.
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>> heroes.
>>
>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> making.
> Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
SkyEyes
Oct 14, 2012, 4:16:49 AM10/14/12
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On Oct 13, 11:14 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote in messagenews:k5dh9f$eff$1...@dont-email.me...
change in a population's environment, evolution works very slowly and
gradually. When a significant change happens in the environment,
however, evolution can work very quickly; the change causes the
population to evolve quickly, or die out.
Andrew, you moron, would you *please* pick up an ACTUAL SCIENCE BOOK
and read it sometime?
the fucking book again.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote in messagenews:k5dh9f$eff$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Andrew wrote:
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> >>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
> >>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
> >>> heroes.
>
> >> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
> >> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
> >> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> > Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> > making.
>
> Only within genetic limits.
And the mechanism for these "genetic limits" is...? What, precisely?
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> >>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
> >>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
> >>> heroes.
>
> >> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
> >> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
> >> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> > Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> > making.
>
> Only within genetic limits.
>
> > Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>
> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
It is, alternating with punctuated equilibrium. When there's no
> > Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>
> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
change in a population's environment, evolution works very slowly and
gradually. When a significant change happens in the environment,
however, evolution can work very quickly; the change causes the
population to evolve quickly, or die out.
Andrew, you moron, would you *please* pick up an ACTUAL SCIENCE BOOK
and read it sometime?
>
> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
***NO***, he is saying that evolution works at different rates. Read
> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
the fucking book again.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Dakota
Oct 14, 2012, 8:32:12 AM10/14/12
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a former mentor who was proved wrong in front of his students.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA86N8K4VBI
Andrew
Oct 14, 2012, 10:00:23 AM10/14/12
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"SkyEyes" wrote in message news:086b6274-0b51-4da8...@b9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> > Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>>
>> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
>> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>
> It is, alternating with punctuated equilibrium.
This is your belief.
> When there's no change in a population's environment, evolution
> works very slowly and gradually.
Here we see diversity occur exactly as our Creator has programmed
into the original creation.
> When a significant change happens in the environment, however,
> evolution can work very quickly; the change causes the population
> to evolve quickly, or die out.
Here we see adaptation occur as our Creator has so programmed
into the original creation.
> Andrew, you moron, would you *please* pick up an ACTUAL
> SCIENCE BOOK and read it sometime?
I do, but contrary to you and many others, I question what I read.
>> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
>> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>
> ***NO***
Oh yes he is.
> he is saying that evolution works at different rates.
He is saying that the history of life does not support
******the story****** of gradual adaptive change.
It is the **story** that is presented in connection with
the false, yet politically correct, anti-God origin myth.
> Read the fucking book again.
The *story* book, which you accept as being truth..
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Andrew
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote:
>> > Andrew wrote:
>> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>> >>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>> >>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>> >>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>> >>> heroes.
>>
>> >> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>> >> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>> >> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>
>> > Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>> > making.
>>
>> Only within genetic limits.
>
> And the mechanism for these "genetic limits" is...? What, precisely?
Genetic information is a fact rather than a mechanism.
>> > Andrew wrote:
>> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>> >>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>> >>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>> >>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>> >>> heroes.
>>
>> >> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>> >> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>> >> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>
>> > Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>> > making.
>>
>> Only within genetic limits.
>
> And the mechanism for these "genetic limits" is...? What, precisely?
>> > Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>>
>> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
>> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>
> It is, alternating with punctuated equilibrium.
> When there's no change in a population's environment, evolution
> works very slowly and gradually.
into the original creation.
> When a significant change happens in the environment, however,
> evolution can work very quickly; the change causes the population
> to evolve quickly, or die out.
into the original creation.
> Andrew, you moron, would you *please* pick up an ACTUAL
> SCIENCE BOOK and read it sometime?
>> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
>> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>
> ***NO***
> he is saying that evolution works at different rates.
******the story****** of gradual adaptive change.
It is the **story** that is presented in connection with
the false, yet politically correct, anti-God origin myth.
> Read the fucking book again.
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
> BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Andrew
Oct 14, 2012, 10:01:14 AM10/14/12
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"Dakota" wrote in message news:k5ebcd$fq5$1...@dont-email.me...
Such reaction is commendable for anyone who is proved wrong.
Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
And those who are not blinded by factors of prejudice and false
ideology will acknowledge the empirical evidence that points to
the *intelligent causation* of the origin of life.
Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
And those who are not blinded by factors of prejudice and false
ideology will acknowledge the empirical evidence that points to
the *intelligent causation* of the origin of life.
Caranx latus
Oct 14, 2012, 10:11:52 AM10/14/12
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On 10/14/2012 10:01 AM, Andrew wrote:
> "Dakota" wrote in message news:k5ebcd$fq5$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/14/2012 12:06 AM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:48:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>> journals.
>>>>> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>> heroes.
>>>>
>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>>
>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>> making. Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>>>
>> In the video at the link, Richard Dawkins talks about the reaction
>> of a former mentor who was proved wrong in front of his students.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA86N8K4VBI
>
> Such reaction is commendable for anyone who is proved wrong.
>
> Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
Many people do indeed.
> "Dakota" wrote in message news:k5ebcd$fq5$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/14/2012 12:06 AM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:48:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>> journals.
>>>>> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>> heroes.
>>>>
>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>>
>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>> making. Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>>>
>> In the video at the link, Richard Dawkins talks about the reaction
>> of a former mentor who was proved wrong in front of his students.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA86N8K4VBI
>
> Such reaction is commendable for anyone who is proved wrong.
>
> Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
> And those who are not blinded by factors of prejudice and false
> ideology will acknowledge the empirical evidence that points to
> the *intelligent causation* of the origin of life.
and not until then.
By the way, textbook example of the 'poisoning the well' fallacy there.
I'd compliment you on its construction but there's really no need...
you've practiced it often enough.
Caranx latus
Oct 14, 2012, 10:21:54 AM10/14/12
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On 10/14/2012 10:00 AM, Andrew wrote:
> "SkyEyes" wrote in message news:086b6274-0b51-4da8...@b9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote:
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>>> heroes.
>>>
>>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>>
>>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>>> making.
>>>
>>> Only within genetic limits.
>>
>> And the mechanism for these "genetic limits" is...? What, precisely?
>
> Genetic information is a fact rather than a mechanism.
You might at least *try* to make it look like you answered the question
> "SkyEyes" wrote in message news:086b6274-0b51-4da8...@b9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote:
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>>> heroes.
>>>
>>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>>
>>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>>> making.
>>>
>>> Only within genetic limits.
>>
>> And the mechanism for these "genetic limits" is...? What, precisely?
>
> Genetic information is a fact rather than a mechanism.
that was asked. Have another go at it. Three tries for a quarter...
>>>> Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>>>
>>> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
>>> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>>
>> It is, alternating with punctuated equilibrium.
>
> This is your belief.
>> When there's no change in a population's environment, evolution
>> works very slowly and gradually.
>
> Here we see diversity occur exactly as our Creator has programmed
> into the original creation.
>
>> When a significant change happens in the environment, however,
>> evolution can work very quickly; the change causes the population
>> to evolve quickly, or die out.
>
> Here we see adaptation occur as our Creator has so programmed
> into the original creation.
>
>> Andrew, you moron, would you *please* pick up an ACTUAL
>> SCIENCE BOOK and read it sometime?
>
> I do, but contrary to you and many others, I question what I read.
predicted simply by knowing what the subject matter is.
<snip>
Fred^4
Oct 14, 2012, 12:24:15 PM10/14/12
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whereas Republicanism there's money to be rooked and swindled from
the rubes, marks, and suckers by keeping it wrong.
Budikka666
Oct 14, 2012, 12:37:03 PM10/14/12
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But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
format where we each would be forced to support our position with
independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
YOU LOST.
Deal with it. loser.
Budikka
format where we each would be forced to support our position with
independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
YOU LOST.
Deal with it. loser.
Budikka
Syd Maniac
Oct 14, 2012, 8:18:25 PM10/14/12
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does either. You are a liar.
--
PDW
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Syd Maniac
Oct 14, 2012, 8:19:07 PM10/14/12
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Syd Maniac
Oct 14, 2012, 8:19:57 PM10/14/12
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Syd Maniac
Oct 14, 2012, 8:20:59 PM10/14/12
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Andrew wrote:
> "Dakota" wrote in message news:k5ebcd$fq5$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/14/2012 12:06 AM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:48:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>> journals.
>>>>> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>> heroes.
>>>>
>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>>
>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>> making. Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>>>
>> In the video at the link, Richard Dawkins talks about the reaction
>> of a former mentor who was proved wrong in front of his students.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA86N8K4VBI
>
> Such reaction is commendable for anyone who is proved wrong.
>
> Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
>
>
Like YOU, for instance.
> "Dakota" wrote in message news:k5ebcd$fq5$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/14/2012 12:06 AM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:48:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>> journals.
>>>>> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>> heroes.
>>>>
>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>>
>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>> making. Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>>>
>> In the video at the link, Richard Dawkins talks about the reaction
>> of a former mentor who was proved wrong in front of his students.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA86N8K4VBI
>
> Such reaction is commendable for anyone who is proved wrong.
>
> Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
>
>
Andrew
Oct 15, 2012, 2:59:42 AM10/15/12
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"Budikka666" wrote in message news:83cfffea-7430-4b69...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
> Budikka
Andrew
> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
> Budikka
Andrew
SkyEyes
Oct 15, 2012, 3:07:44 AM10/15/12
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On Oct 14, 6:58 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "SkyEyes" wrote in messagenews:086b6274-0b51-4da8...@b9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
mutability. I want to know how one recognizes that limit, what
enforces it, what it's called, precisely how it works, and who
discovered it.
confidence in science with your irrational religious faith, they are
*not* the same thing.
and sometimes quickly?
Good. Then we're getting somewhere.
*verifiable* evidence, not just opinions, that it's false. I'm
talkin' data, here, Andrew. Put up or shut up.
> "SkyEyes" wrote in messagenews:086b6274-0b51-4da8...@b9g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote:
> >> > Andrew wrote:
> >> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >> >>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> >> >>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
> >> >>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
> >> >>> heroes.
>
> >> >> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
> >> >> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
> >> >> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> >> > Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> >> > making.
>
> >> Only within genetic limits.
>
> > And the mechanism for these "genetic limits" is...? What, precisely?
>
> Genetic information is a fact rather than a mechanism.
Mechanisms are facts, you idiot. You posit that there's a limit
> >> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote:
> >> > Andrew wrote:
> >> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >> >>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> >> >>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
> >> >>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
> >> >>> heroes.
>
> >> >> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
> >> >> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
> >> >> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> >> > Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> >> > making.
>
> >> Only within genetic limits.
>
> > And the mechanism for these "genetic limits" is...? What, precisely?
>
> Genetic information is a fact rather than a mechanism.
mutability. I want to know how one recognizes that limit, what
enforces it, what it's called, precisely how it works, and who
discovered it.
>
> >> > Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>
> >> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
> >> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>
> > It is, alternating with punctuated equilibrium.
>
> This is your belief.
There's quite a bit of evidence to support it. Don't equate my
> >> > Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>
> >> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
> >> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>
> > It is, alternating with punctuated equilibrium.
>
> This is your belief.
confidence in science with your irrational religious faith, they are
*not* the same thing.
>
> > When there's no change in a population's environment, evolution
> > works very slowly and gradually.
>
> Here we see diversity occur exactly as our Creator has programmed
> into the original creation.
>
> > When a significant change happens in the environment, however,
> > evolution can work very quickly; the change causes the population
> > to evolve quickly, or die out.
>
> Here we see adaptation occur as our Creator has so programmed
> into the original creation.
So you agree that populations or organisms evolve, sometimes gradually
> > When there's no change in a population's environment, evolution
> > works very slowly and gradually.
>
> Here we see diversity occur exactly as our Creator has programmed
> into the original creation.
>
> > When a significant change happens in the environment, however,
> > evolution can work very quickly; the change causes the population
> > to evolve quickly, or die out.
>
> Here we see adaptation occur as our Creator has so programmed
> into the original creation.
and sometimes quickly?
Good. Then we're getting somewhere.
>
> > Andrew, you moron, would you *please* pick up an ACTUAL
> > SCIENCE BOOK and read it sometime?
>
> I do, but contrary to you and many others, I question what I read.
As do I. Which is why I no longer believe in creationism.
> > Andrew, you moron, would you *please* pick up an ACTUAL
> > SCIENCE BOOK and read it sometime?
>
> I do, but contrary to you and many others, I question what I read.
>
> >> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
> >> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>
> > ***NO***
>
> Oh yes he is.
>
> > he is saying that evolution works at different rates.
>
> He is saying that the history of life does not support
> ******the story****** of gradual adaptive change.
No, that's not what he's saying.
> >> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
> >> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>
> > ***NO***
>
> Oh yes he is.
>
> > he is saying that evolution works at different rates.
>
> He is saying that the history of life does not support
> ******the story****** of gradual adaptive change.
>
> It is the **story** that is presented in connection with
> the false, yet politically correct, anti-God origin myth.
Please post your evidence - and that's *logical*, *objective*,
> It is the **story** that is presented in connection with
> the false, yet politically correct, anti-God origin myth.
*verifiable* evidence, not just opinions, that it's false. I'm
talkin' data, here, Andrew. Put up or shut up.
>
> > Read the fucking book again.
>
> The *story* book, which you accept as being truth..
And for which there are mountains and mountains of supporting data.
> > Read the fucking book again.
>
> The *story* book, which you accept as being truth..
SkyEyes
Oct 15, 2012, 3:10:52 AM10/15/12
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On Oct 14, 6:59 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Dakota" wrote in messagenews:k5ebcd$fq5$1...@dont-email.me...
you're about 0 for 400 on that score.
> "Dakota" wrote in messagenews:k5ebcd$fq5$1...@dont-email.me...
> > On 10/14/2012 12:06 AM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> >> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:48:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>
> >>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> >>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
> >>>> journals.
> >>>> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
> >>>> heroes.
>
> >>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
> >>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
> >>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> >> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> >> making. Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>
> > In the video at the link, Richard Dawkins talks about the reaction
> > of a former mentor who was proved wrong in front of his students.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA86N8K4VBI
>
> Such reaction is commendable for anyone who is proved wrong.
>
> Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
> >> On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 11:48:18 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>
> >>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> >>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
> >>>> journals.
> >>>> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
> >>>> heroes.
>
> >>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
> >>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
> >>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>
> >> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
> >> making. Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>
> > In the video at the link, Richard Dawkins talks about the reaction
> > of a former mentor who was proved wrong in front of his students.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA86N8K4VBI
>
> Such reaction is commendable for anyone who is proved wrong.
>
> Unfortunately many people have ideologies that supersede truth.
>
> And those who are not blinded by factors of prejudice and false
> ideology will acknowledge the empirical evidence that points to
> the *intelligent causation* of the origin of life.
I'm still waiting for you to provide that empirical evidence. So far
> And those who are not blinded by factors of prejudice and false
> ideology will acknowledge the empirical evidence that points to
> the *intelligent causation* of the origin of life.
you're about 0 for 400 on that score.
SkyEyes
Oct 15, 2012, 3:12:03 AM10/15/12
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On Oct 14, 11:57 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:83cfffea-7430-4b69...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Got any evidence - logical, objective, verifiable *evidence* - that
your god, or *any* god, actually exists?
Get back to us when you do.
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:83cfffea-7430-4b69...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
your god, or *any* god, actually exists?
Get back to us when you do.
Jeanne Douglas
Oct 15, 2012, 4:46:51 AM10/15/12
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In article <ArWdnbvaQqZrLubN...@earthlink.com>,
There's that tell again.
When they know they're losing, this god loves you crap is one of the
tricks they pull. Pure passive aggression.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
When they know they're losing, this god loves you crap is one of the
tricks they pull. Pure passive aggression.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Christopher A. Lee
Oct 15, 2012, 5:45:29 AM10/15/12
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:46:51 -0700, Jeanne Douglas
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>In article <ArWdnbvaQqZrLubN...@earthlink.com>,
> "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
What fucking "wonderful God" of what "heaven", what "forgive" what
<hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>In article <ArWdnbvaQqZrLubN...@earthlink.com>,
> "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
"sins", and what "glorious inheritance" in what "eternal kingdom" was
the question-begging moron rudely and stupidly presuming?
>There's that tell again.
>
>When they know they're losing, this god loves you crap is one of the
>tricks they pull. Pure passive aggression.
But that's all these mindless retards have got.
walksalone
Oct 15, 2012, 6:11:36 AM10/15/12
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Syd Maniac <pauldav...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:k5fkog$332$1...@news.albasani.net:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it
>>> right. That's why we have open publication of results in
>>> professional journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those
>>> who put it right are heroes.
>>
>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that
>> it does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
http://www.christianforums.com/t7677521-3/
http://members.iinet.net.au/
<~sejones/fsslrc01.html#fsslrcrdgrdlsmntplntlgstshvsdthtthhstryflfspprtsk
nwngthttdsnt.>
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080229111422AAu3htf
Read the comments.
> Coming from you, I highly doubt that the quote exists, or the person
> does either. You are a liar.
>
http://www.nileseldredge.com/NELE.htm.
Which does not change the fact that Andrew & honesty are like ships in
the night, in a dense fog & running on radar.
Plenty of downloadable info for those that would like to see where this
came from.
walksalone who hasn't the time, let alone curiousity.
Plenty of kind, decent, caring people have no religious beliefs, and they
act out of the goodness of their hearts. Conversely, plenty of people who
profess to be religious, even those who worship regularly, show no
particular interest in the world beyond themselves.
-John Danforth, priest, ambassador, senator (b. 1936)
news:k5fkog$332$1...@news.albasani.net:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it
>>> right. That's why we have open publication of results in
>>> professional journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those
>>> who put it right are heroes.
>>
>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that
>> it does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
http://members.iinet.net.au/
<~sejones/fsslrc01.html#fsslrcrdgrdlsmntplntlgstshvsdthtthhstryflfspprtsk
nwngthttdsnt.>
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080229111422AAu3htf
Read the comments.
> Coming from you, I highly doubt that the quote exists, or the person
> does either. You are a liar.
>
Which does not change the fact that Andrew & honesty are like ships in
the night, in a dense fog & running on radar.
Plenty of downloadable info for those that would like to see where this
came from.
walksalone who hasn't the time, let alone curiousity.
Plenty of kind, decent, caring people have no religious beliefs, and they
act out of the goodness of their hearts. Conversely, plenty of people who
profess to be religious, even those who worship regularly, show no
particular interest in the world beyond themselves.
-John Danforth, priest, ambassador, senator (b. 1936)
Harry F. Leopold
Oct 15, 2012, 7:04:36 AM10/15/12
to
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:07:44 -0500, SkyEyes wrote
(in article
<b67f63de-e81c-4806...@rj6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
Who to believe? Hundreds of thousands of biologists/geneticists/etc. who
openly put up their evidence and theories to be studied by hundreds of
thousands of biologists/geneticists/etc., and anyone else with actual
evidence? Or Andrew, a moron without any evidence, without anything other
than "goddidit"?
So hard to make an informed decision.
Well, not so hard at all.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³(B)iological evolution is a team sport.³-Louis Friend
(in article
<b67f63de-e81c-4806...@rj6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
openly put up their evidence and theories to be studied by hundreds of
thousands of biologists/geneticists/etc., and anyone else with actual
evidence? Or Andrew, a moron without any evidence, without anything other
than "goddidit"?
So hard to make an informed decision.
Well, not so hard at all.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³(B)iological evolution is a team sport.³-Louis Friend
Free Lunch
Oct 15, 2012, 8:24:15 PM10/15/12
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 23:59:42 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
Any god worthy of worship would just forgive and forget. You keep acting
as if your god is incapable of doing that unless we pander to his base
instincts.
>> Budikka
>
>
>Andrew
>
>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
as if your god is incapable of doing that unless we pander to his base
instincts.
>> Budikka
>
>
>Andrew
>
>
fasgnadh
Oct 15, 2012, 8:45:43 PM10/15/12
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Budikka666 created a post titled "Disproving Creation" (snicker ;^) :
Solar system was a belief shared by all the atheists of the time,
until the heroes, Copernicus, Tycho, Galileo, Kepler .. ALL BELIEVERS..
AND Great Scientists, constructed a new weltenshuang based on reality.
> This is how it works:
And that is why, throughout history, religious scientists have
contributed to the steady progress of civilisation which has led
majority religious societies out of barbarism and evolved into
the free, open, progressive, secular democracies we all enjoy living in.
(Even if a slight erosion of religious affiliation co-incides with the
economic decline of Europe and the USA)
Contrast this with the only atheist states in human history, the Union of
Savage Slaughter and Represwsion (USSR), Mao's Great Leap Backward and
Cultural Devolution, and Pol Pots atheist Genocide, "Year Zero" 8^o
While the majority religious societies were developing their secular
democracies, the atheist tyrannies were terrorising, torturing and
killing over 80,000,000 people.. in the so-called 'modern' era! 8^o
> Contrast this with religion:
which has produced all the great and enduring civilisations, with their
brilliant architecture, science and technology.
Even Maoist China, after suffering under the Maoist tyranny which killed
over 40,000,000 people, abandoned the atheist persecution of
religion, reformed their constitution to allow greater freedom of
religion and enterprise, and now enjoys a surge of over 300,000,000
new believers and a vibrant and growing economy!
The feeble attempt by atheist propagandists to link SCIENCE to ATHEISM
is historically completely BOGUS. as the list of great scientists who
were believers shows below.
> it's wrong,
Because atheism has NOTHING to do with science!
It only has ONE idea, the non-existance of something, which is not
something science bothers with! B^D
The attempt to illegitimately link atheism to science is an attempt
to give the atheist hypothesis, which was historically refuted by the
catastrophic FAILURE of EVERY atheist regime in history, some psuedo-
scientific cachet! B^D
> yet there is no one out there on
> the theist side even trying to put it right because
they have no need to discredit an atheist belief which is already
discredited by the entire HISTORY of atheist states.. terror, torture
mass murder far in excess of ANY religion in history, and catastrophic
collapse!
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Fuk..
> every one of them is hooked on their own dogma.
ALL the Atheist tyrants who caused such barbaric failure in the 20th
century, while majority religious societies like the USA and Australia
were prospering and advancing.. have discredited the atheist fallacy.
> That's why religion has so spectacularly
succeeded globally.
While atheist numbers ahve increased by a few thousand in declining
powers such as the USA, the number of believers in just one former
Atheist state has exploded by 300,000,000 new believers, as China's
growth and development continues!
The atheist fallacy has been discredited.
Atheism, in EVERY atheist state in history has
> failed and continues to do so,
The number of believers, globally continues to expand, in
absolute numbers and as a percentage of world population! B^]
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
> and why
Because, unlike the failed atheist dogma, people find spiritual
teachings to be efficacious and have continued to use them for millennia.
Which is why desperate atheists try to hitch their failed dogma
to the brilliance of something else.. which has NOTHING to do
with ATHEISM;
> science, in the long run, is the best bet for discovering the
> truth about reality
Even Dawkins now asserts the "scientific evolution" of God:
# Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
So Dawkins asserts what the spiritual teachers have long taught! B^D
Einstein elaborated The Harmony of Science and Religion:
"Science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."
- Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion:
a Symposium", 1941
^^^^^
Science being LED, as usual, by the divinely inspired; ;-)
`Abdu'l-Bahá, in 1912, stated that religion without science
is mere superstition and that science without religion is
crude materialism;
"Religion and science are the two wings upon which a man's intelligence
can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress.
It s not possible to fly with one wing alone!
Should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone
he would quickly fall into the quagmire of superstition,
whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism."
'Abdu'l-Bahá, Paris Talks 1912
^^^^
(London: Bahá'í Publishing Trust, 1969), pp. 141-46.
"Bahá'u'lláh has declared that religion must be in
accord with science and reason. If it does not
correspond with scientific principles and the
processes of reason, it is superstition.
For God has endowed us with faculties by which
we may comprehend the realities of things, contemplate
reality itself. If religion is opposed to reason and
science, faith is impossible; and when faith and
confidence in the divine religion are not manifest
in the heart, there can be no spiritual attainment.
- Abdul Baha
------------------------
"Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
"Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related
---------
The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
are aware of it
- Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
- Louis Pasteur 1822-95
As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
- Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
"My view of the World" 1918
There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
and harmony.
- Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
"Where is Science Going" 1918
"Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
-Sir Arthur Eddington
Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism.
- 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)
George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)
Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)
John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)
Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)
Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)
Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)
Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)
Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.
Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)
Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)
Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)
Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)
Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)
Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)
"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects." - Albert Einstein
"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
"The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
(noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
University)
Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.
William Turner the "father of English botany"
John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
astronomical observations,
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
necessary demonstrations.
- Galileo Galilei 1615.
..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
(math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
science could improve glorification of God.
John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
machine
Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
mathematicians in history.
Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,
Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician
Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
Michael Faraday
Charles Babbage
Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"
Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
development of the first vaccines.
Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,
Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
Astronomical Society,
Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.
Georges Lemaître proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest
Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science
von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.
Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
Convergence of Science and Religion.
Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
Thomas Prize.
John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
Noncommutative geometry.
Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.
John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.
Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
evolutionary dynamics.
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
And that's just a partial list of Western scientists who were believers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
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The foremost atheist Philosopher of our age recently
launched his new book "Religion for Atheists" and
no atheists are interested in talking about it:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com.au/
- Alain de Botton, Lanching his new Book, Religion for Atheists
The Wheeler Centre, Melbourne 19/3/2012
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2012/03/19/3455152.htm
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alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
“Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
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"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
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>
> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
For example, the pre Christian view of the Earth at the centre of our
> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
> That's why we have open publication of results in professional journals.
> If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are heroes.
Solar system was a belief shared by all the atheists of the time,
until the heroes, Copernicus, Tycho, Galileo, Kepler .. ALL BELIEVERS..
AND Great Scientists, constructed a new weltenshuang based on reality.
> This is how it works:
contributed to the steady progress of civilisation which has led
majority religious societies out of barbarism and evolved into
the free, open, progressive, secular democracies we all enjoy living in.
(Even if a slight erosion of religious affiliation co-incides with the
economic decline of Europe and the USA)
Contrast this with the only atheist states in human history, the Union of
Savage Slaughter and Represwsion (USSR), Mao's Great Leap Backward and
Cultural Devolution, and Pol Pots atheist Genocide, "Year Zero" 8^o
While the majority religious societies were developing their secular
democracies, the atheist tyrannies were terrorising, torturing and
killing over 80,000,000 people.. in the so-called 'modern' era! 8^o
> Contrast this with religion:
which has produced all the great and enduring civilisations, with their
brilliant architecture, science and technology.
Even Maoist China, after suffering under the Maoist tyranny which killed
over 40,000,000 people, abandoned the atheist persecution of
religion, reformed their constitution to allow greater freedom of
religion and enterprise, and now enjoys a surge of over 300,000,000
new believers and a vibrant and growing economy!
The feeble attempt by atheist propagandists to link SCIENCE to ATHEISM
is historically completely BOGUS. as the list of great scientists who
were believers shows below.
> it's wrong,
Because atheism has NOTHING to do with science!
It only has ONE idea, the non-existance of something, which is not
something science bothers with! B^D
The attempt to illegitimately link atheism to science is an attempt
to give the atheist hypothesis, which was historically refuted by the
catastrophic FAILURE of EVERY atheist regime in history, some psuedo-
scientific cachet! B^D
> yet there is no one out there on
> the theist side even trying to put it right because
discredited by the entire HISTORY of atheist states.. terror, torture
mass murder far in excess of ANY religion in history, and catastrophic
collapse!
Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Ill Fuk..
> every one of them is hooked on their own dogma.
century, while majority religious societies like the USA and Australia
were prospering and advancing.. have discredited the atheist fallacy.
> That's why religion has so spectacularly
While atheist numbers ahve increased by a few thousand in declining
powers such as the USA, the number of believers in just one former
Atheist state has exploded by 300,000,000 new believers, as China's
growth and development continues!
The atheist fallacy has been discredited.
Atheism, in EVERY atheist state in history has
> failed and continues to do so,
absolute numbers and as a percentage of world population! B^]
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
> and why
Because, unlike the failed atheist dogma, people find spiritual
teachings to be efficacious and have continued to use them for millennia.
Which is why desperate atheists try to hitch their failed dogma
to the brilliance of something else.. which has NOTHING to do
with ATHEISM;
> science, in the long run, is the best bet for discovering the
> truth about reality
# Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
So Dawkins asserts what the spiritual teachers have long taught! B^D
Einstein elaborated The Harmony of Science and Religion:
"Science without religion is lame,
religion without science is blind."
- Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion:
a Symposium", 1941
^^^^^
Science being LED, as usual, by the divinely inspired; ;-)
`Abdu'l-Bahá, in 1912, stated that religion without science
is mere superstition and that science without religion is
crude materialism;
"Religion and science are the two wings upon which a man's intelligence
can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress.
It s not possible to fly with one wing alone!
Should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone
he would quickly fall into the quagmire of superstition,
whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism."
'Abdu'l-Bahá, Paris Talks 1912
^^^^
(London: Bahá'í Publishing Trust, 1969), pp. 141-46.
"Bahá'u'lláh has declared that religion must be in
accord with science and reason. If it does not
correspond with scientific principles and the
processes of reason, it is superstition.
For God has endowed us with faculties by which
we may comprehend the realities of things, contemplate
reality itself. If religion is opposed to reason and
science, faith is impossible; and when faith and
confidence in the divine religion are not manifest
in the heart, there can be no spiritual attainment.
- Abdul Baha
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"Do you think that God can intervene in the universe as he wants
or is God to bound by the laws of science?"
"Your question of whether God is bound by the laws
of science is a bit like the question 'can God make a stone
that is so heavy that he can not lift it'. I don't think it
is very useful to speculate on what God might or might not
be able to do. Rather we should examine what he actually does
with the universe we live in. All our observations suggest
that it operates according to defined laws. These laws may
have been made by God, but it seems he does not intervene in
the Universe to break the laws, at least not once he had set
the universe going." - Prof Stephen Hawking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O9cYTZXekA&feature=related
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The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we
are aware of it
- Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher
René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in
the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system
used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important
work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy
partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas
with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.
I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world
- Louis Pasteur 1822-95
As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner
by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.
- Sir Isaac Newton 1642-1727
The scientific picture of the real world around me is very
deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how
an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is
a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to
which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.
- Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics
"My view of the World" 1918
There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.
Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the
religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if
all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance
and harmony.
- Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics
"Where is Science Going" 1918
"Something unknown is doing we don't know what"
-Sir Arthur Eddington
Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can
soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not
possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the
wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of
superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone
he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of
materialism.
- 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911
Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of
the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as
well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces
worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the
facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost
beyond question." (2)
George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in
the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the
complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use
the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological
status of the word." (3)
Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it
quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be
some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the
explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something
instead of nothing." (6)
John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,
a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the
Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could
never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances
indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)
George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the
thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,
Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without
intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence
of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially
crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)
Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or
Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present
state of scientific theory." (9)
Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique
event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very
delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to
permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say
'supernatural') plan." (10)
Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe
has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)
Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty
of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very
tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am
sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)
Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by
our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the
divine." (13)
Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has
lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad
dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to
conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he
is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for
centuries." (14)
Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to
take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and
the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the
ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of
God." (15)
Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my
career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced
atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be
writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-
Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are
straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand
them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable
logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since
has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The
Physics Of Christianity.
Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is
described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created
it."(17)
Ed Harrison (cosmologist): "Here is the cosmological proof of the
existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and
refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie
evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that
requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one....
Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the
teleological or design argument." (18)
Edward Milne (British cosmologist): "As to the cause of the Universe,
in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but
our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." (19)
Barry Parker (cosmologist): "Who created these laws? There is no
question but that a God will always be needed." (20)
Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists): "This type of universe,
however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial
conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." (21)
Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981
Nobel Prize in physics): "It seems to me that when confronted with the
marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how.
The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God
in the universe and in my own life." (22)
Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and
director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the
University of Georgia): "The significance and joy in my science comes
in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to
myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little
corner of God's plan." (23)
Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to
understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a
superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to
comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." (24)
Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University of Illinois) "Life in
Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I
can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100
billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed
and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would
contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that
the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out
of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to
that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may
extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be
entirely unique." (25)
"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a
little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the
ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that
someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It
does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the
child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly
suspects." - Albert Einstein
"The statistical probability that organic structures and the most
precisely harmonized reactions that typify living organisms would be
generated by accident, is zero."- Ilya Prigogine (Chemist-Physicist)
Recipient of two Nobel Prizes in chemistry
I. Prigogine, N. Gregair, A. Babbyabtz, Physics Today 25, pp. 23-28
"The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a
knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge,
and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off
even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a
chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems
unreasonably suited to the existence of life -- almost contrived --
you might say a 'put-up job'."- Dr. Paul Davies
(noted author and Professor of Theoretical Physics at Adelaide
University)
Just a few believers who exceeded the intellectual output of this
ignorant atheist fuckwit and his cronies in alt.atheism;
Sir Francis Bacon - established the scientific method of inquiry based
on experimentation and inductive reasoning.
Nicolaus Copernicus Catholic canon who introduced a heliocentric world view.
William Turner the "father of English botany"
John Napier Scottish mathematician known for inventing logarithms,
Napier's bones, and being the popularizer of the use of decimals.
Johannes Kepler His model of the cosmos based on nesting Platonic solids
was explicitly driven by religious ideas; his later and most famous
scientific contribution, the Kepler's laws of planetary motion, was
based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's meticulous
astronomical observations,
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct experience or
necessary demonstrations.
- Galileo Galilei 1615.
..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with
the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling,
however, springs from the sphere of Religion... science without religion
is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
- Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
Blaise Pascal well-known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem
(math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).
Nicolas Steno a pioneer in both anatomy and geology
Robert Boyle Scientist and theologian who argued that the study of
science could improve glorification of God.
John Wallis As a mathematician he wrote Arithmetica Infinitorumis,
introduced the term Continued fraction, worked on cryptography, helped
develop calculus, and is further known for the Wallis product.
Gottfried Leibniz A polymath who worked on determinants, a calculating
machine
Isaac Newton (He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and
mathematicians in history.
Thomas Bayes Bayes' theorem. Fellow of the Royal Society
Firmin Abauzit A physicist and theologian.
Carolus Linnaeus father of modern taxonomy, contributions to ecology.
Leonhard Euler mathematician and physicist,
Maria Gaetana Agnesi mathematician
Isaac Milner Lucasian Professor of Mathematics
Michael Faraday
Charles Babbage
Gregor Mendel "father of modern genetics"
Asa Gray - Gray's Manual remains a pivotal work in botany.
Louis Pasteur Inventor of the pasteurization method, a french chemist
and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax,
chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the
development of the first vaccines.
Lord Kelvin Thermodynamics. winner of the Copley Medal and the Royal Medal,
Pierre Duhem Thermodynamic potentials
Dmitri Egorov mathematician - differential geometry
John Ambrose Flemingthe Right-hand rule and work on vacuum tubes,
Fleming valve. the Hughes Medal.
Max Planck founder of Quantum mechanics (1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
Edward Arthur Milne astrophysicist and mathematician proposed the Milne
model and had a Moon crater named for him. Gold Medal of the Royal
Astronomical Society,
Arthur Compton Nobel Prize in Physics.
Georges Lemaître proposed the Big Bang theory. Roman Catholic priest
Sir Robert Boyd pioneer in British space science
von Weizsäcker nuclear physicist Bethe-Weizsäcker formula.
Charles Hard Townes 1964 Nobel Prize in Physics 1966 wrote The
Convergence of Science and Religion.
Freeman Dyson the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis
Thomas Prize.
John T. Houghtonco-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change gold medal from the Royal Astronomical Society.
Micha? Heller mathematical physicist relativistic physics and
Noncommutative geometry.
Eric PriestSolar Magnetohydrodynamics , won the George Ellery Hale Prize
Francis Collins director of the US National Human Genome Research Institute.
John D. Barrow English cosmologist implications of the Anthropic principle.
Denis Alexander Director of the Faraday Institute and author of
Rebuilding the Matrix - Science and Faith in the 21st Century.
Christopher IshamTheoretical physicist who developed HPO formalism.
Martin NowakEvolutionary biologist and mathematician best known for
evolutionary dynamics.
Robert Boyle
Michael Faraday
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Oct 16, 2012, 12:43:55 AM10/16/12
to
"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:o7ap781ck65rnkc5q...@4ax.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
remember their sin no more."
Jeremiah 31:34
"The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love..he does
not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us
according to our iniquities. For as high as
the heavens are above the earth, so great is
his love for those who fear him; as far as
the east is from the west, so far has he re-
moved our transgressions from us."
Psalm 103:8-12
"He will..cast all our sins into the depths
of the sea." Micah 7:19
> "Andrew" wrote:
>>"Budikka666" wrote:
>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>
>>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>
> Any god worthy of worship would just forgive and forget.
> You keep acting as if your god is incapable of doing that
> unless we pander to his base instincts.
"I will forgive their iniquity, and I will
>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>
>>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>
> Any god worthy of worship would just forgive and forget.
> You keep acting as if your god is incapable of doing that
> unless we pander to his base instincts.
remember their sin no more."
Jeremiah 31:34
"The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love..he does
not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us
according to our iniquities. For as high as
the heavens are above the earth, so great is
his love for those who fear him; as far as
the east is from the west, so far has he re-
moved our transgressions from us."
Psalm 103:8-12
"He will..cast all our sins into the depths
of the sea." Micah 7:19
Uergil
Oct 16, 2012, 2:23:30 AM10/16/12
to
In article <7qydnTMeLdk-eOHN...@earthlink.com>,
As far as I am aware, there is no objective physical evidence supporting
your claims of "godly creation" or "godly existence", so that doubting
it is quite reasonable and insisting on it is not.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
> "Free Lunch" wrote in message
> news:o7ap781ck65rnkc5q...@4ax.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >>"Budikka666" wrote:
> >>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
> >>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
> >>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
> >>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
> >>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
> >>
> >>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
> >>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
> >>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
> >>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
And how can you establish that what you are claiming above is truth?
> "Free Lunch" wrote in message
> news:o7ap781ck65rnkc5q...@4ax.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >>"Budikka666" wrote:
> >>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
> >>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
> >>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
> >>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
> >>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
> >>
> >>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
> >>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
> >>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
> >>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
As far as I am aware, there is no objective physical evidence supporting
your claims of "godly creation" or "godly existence", so that doubting
it is quite reasonable and insisting on it is not.
--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less
remote from the- truth who believes nothing than
he who believes what is wrong.
Thomas Jefferson
Christopher A. Lee
Oct 16, 2012, 4:11:26 AM10/16/12
to
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:23:30 -0600, Uergil <Uer...@uer.net> wrote:
>In article <7qydnTMeLdk-eOHN...@earthlink.com>,
> "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>
>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message
>> news:o7ap781ck65rnkc5q...@4ax.com...
>> > "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>"Budikka666" wrote:
>> >>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>> >>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>> >>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>> >>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>> >>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>> >>
>> >>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>> >>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>> >>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>> >>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>
>And how can you establish that what you are claiming above is truth?
The retard says so.
>In article <7qydnTMeLdk-eOHN...@earthlink.com>,
> "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>
>> "Free Lunch" wrote in message
>> news:o7ap781ck65rnkc5q...@4ax.com...
>> > "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>"Budikka666" wrote:
>> >>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>> >>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>> >>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>> >>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>> >>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>> >>
>> >>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>> >>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>> >>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>> >>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>
>And how can you establish that what you are claiming above is truth?
Ralph
Oct 16, 2012, 2:30:10 PM10/16/12
to
Andrew
Oct 16, 2012, 3:11:06 PM10/16/12
to
"Ralph" wrote in message news:WP2dnVE_GtsvOuDN...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>
>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>>
>>
>>> Budikka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>
That goes for you too, Ralph!
>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>
>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>>
>>
>>> Budikka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>
Ralph
Oct 16, 2012, 6:59:18 PM10/16/12
to
Andrew, not only yours but all man-made gods.
I've often said that we could eliminate much strife in the world by
having all of the gods claimed by man, to meet
in a great battlefield with......winner take all. You see the problem
Andrew...there would be no gods there to fight. Not only yours,
but all gods.
Free Lunch
Oct 16, 2012, 7:48:27 PM10/16/12
to
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:43:55 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:o7ap781ck65rnkc5q...@4ax.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>"Budikka666" wrote:
>>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>
>>>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>>
>> Any god worthy of worship would just forgive and forget.
>> You keep acting as if your god is incapable of doing that
>> unless we pander to his base instincts.
>
>"I will forgive their iniquity, and I will
> remember their sin no more."
> Jeremiah 31:34
So your claims about hell are total nonsense.
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
>"Free Lunch" wrote in message news:o7ap781ck65rnkc5q...@4ax.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>"Budikka666" wrote:
>>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>
>>>Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>>the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>>you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>>a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>>
>> Any god worthy of worship would just forgive and forget.
>> You keep acting as if your god is incapable of doing that
>> unless we pander to his base instincts.
>
>"I will forgive their iniquity, and I will
> remember their sin no more."
> Jeremiah 31:34
Ralph
Oct 16, 2012, 8:50:47 PM10/16/12
to
On 10/16/2012 2:30 PM, Ralph wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 2:59 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:83cfffea-7430-4b69...@x14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On 10/15/2012 2:59 AM, Andrew wrote:
time pick a god who gives you money and happiness:-))),
Ralph
Oct 16, 2012, 9:11:27 PM10/16/12
to
On 10/14/2012 2:16 AM, Andrew wrote:
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote in messagenews:k5dh9f$eff$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
most people will accept them after you repeat them so often.
They might in the Church of the Ignorant and Unschooled, but not around
anyone with a brain.
>
>> Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>
> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote in messagenews:k5dh9f$eff$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>
>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>> heroes.
>>>
>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>> heroes.
>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>> making.
> Only within genetic limits.
You poor pitiful liar. Why keep repeating your lies? Do you think that
>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>> making.
> Only within genetic limits.
most people will accept them after you repeat them so often.
They might in the Church of the Ignorant and Unschooled, but not around
anyone with a brain.
>
>> Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>
> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>
>
Read the GD story before you trip over your own lies.
> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>
>
Andrew
Oct 16, 2012, 10:18:04 PM10/16/12
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"Ralph" wrote in message news:bMSdnRHy5cR6nePN...@giganews.com...
are not worthy to be compared with the glory which
shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
> Next time pick a god who gives you money and happiness:-))),
"And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How
long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be
God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him."
1 Kings 18:21
> Ralph wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>
>>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>>>
>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar, and
>>>> a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>
>>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>>>
> Sure he 'loves you', that is why you are having such a tough time.
"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time
are not worthy to be compared with the glory which
shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
> Next time pick a god who gives you money and happiness:-))),
long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be
God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him."
1 Kings 18:21
Andrew
Oct 16, 2012, 10:26:42 PM10/16/12
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"Ralph" wrote in message news:OsednY39WYBdmOPN...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:
Just give us the empirical truth.
>>> Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
>> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>>
>> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
>> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>>
> Read the GD story before you trip over your own lies.
I hope you enjoyed your vacation, Ralph!
Andrew
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>> heroes.
>>>>
>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>> making.
>> Only within genetic limits.
>
> You poor pitiful liar. Why keep repeating your lies? Do you think that
> most people will accept them after you repeat them so often.
> They might in the Church of the Ignorant and Unschooled, but not
> around anyone with a brain.
You may hold the flame, Ralph.
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When a scientist gets something wrong, other scientists put it right.
>>>>> That's why we have open publication of results in professional
>>>>> journals. If it's wrong, it gets put right, and those who put it right are
>>>>> heroes.
>>>>
>>>> "We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the
>>>> story of gradual adaptive change), all the while really knowing that it
>>>> does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge
>>> Indeed; sometimes change is comparatively rapid, the very point he was
>>> making.
>> Only within genetic limits.
>
> You poor pitiful liar. Why keep repeating your lies? Do you think that
> most people will accept them after you repeat them so often.
> They might in the Church of the Ignorant and Unschooled, but not
> around anyone with a brain.
Just give us the empirical truth.
>>> Perhaps you should learn to read, rather than quote mine.
>> Contrary to what you were taught, the true history of life
>> does not support the story of gradual adaptive change.
>>
>> Dr. Eldredge is effectively saying (above) that Paleontologists
>> have been lying in order to support the accepted worldview.
>>
> Read the GD story before you trip over your own lies.
Andrew
skye...@yahoo.com
Oct 17, 2012, 5:20:12 AM10/17/12
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Hey, walks: we gonna get another JAGOTD post any time soon? I miss
'em.
Mitchell Holman
Oct 17, 2012, 8:51:39 AM10/17/12
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:9vudnQnkDq5piePN...@earthlink.com:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
Mark 11:24
news:9vudnQnkDq5piePN...@earthlink.com:
believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
Mark 11:24
Andrew
Oct 17, 2012, 9:36:37 AM10/17/12
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"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA0EF4FE4D875C...@216.196.121.131...
> "Andrew" wrote:
Preach it, Brother!
> "Andrew" wrote:
Ken
Oct 17, 2012, 10:25:47 AM10/17/12
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On Oct 16, 7:16 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote the usual
delusional crap not worth repeating, as usual
Do you have ANY idea just how fucked up you are?
delusional crap not worth repeating, as usual
Do you have ANY idea just how fucked up you are?
Les
Oct 17, 2012, 10:34:12 AM10/17/12
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:36:37 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:
>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA0EF4FE4D875C...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Ralph" wrote:
>>>> Ralph wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>>>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar,
>>>>>>> and a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>>>>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>>>>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>>>>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
There is nothing stopping him (apart from his not existing that is)
IF he can forgive sins and does then he will forgive the sin of
not asking for forgiveness and give it out of the goodness of
his ... hmm do gods have or need hearts?
>>>>>>
>>>> Sure he 'loves you', that is why you are having such a tough time
>>>
Is that the best he can offer?
His opinion?
If he is going to pretend he is writing down the 'word of
god' he needs to project a tad more ceraintly methinks :-)
>>>
>>>> Next time pick a god who gives you money and happiness:-))),
>>>
>>> "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How
>>> long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be
>>> God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him."
>>> 1 Kings 18:21
Hmm he seems a bit uncertain too with his 'ifs'.
>> Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>> Mark 11:24
>
>
>Preach it, Brother!
Merely believe the prayers are answered?
I think that say is all.
Preach it brother!
The 'if' and 'if' and the believe because I say so
religion LOL
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "
- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010
wrote:
>"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsA0EF4FE4D875C...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Ralph" wrote:
>>>> Ralph wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>>>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar,
>>>>>>> and a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>>>>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>>>>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>>>>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
IF he can forgive sins and does then he will forgive the sin of
not asking for forgiveness and give it out of the goodness of
his ... hmm do gods have or need hearts?
>>>>>>
>>>> Sure he 'loves you', that is why you are having such a tough time
>>>
>>> "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time
>>> are not worthy to be compared with the glory which
>>> shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
He reckons?
>>> are not worthy to be compared with the glory which
>>> shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
Is that the best he can offer?
His opinion?
If he is going to pretend he is writing down the 'word of
god' he needs to project a tad more ceraintly methinks :-)
>>>
>>>> Next time pick a god who gives you money and happiness:-))),
>>>
>>> "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How
>>> long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be
>>> God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him."
>>> 1 Kings 18:21
>> Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>> Mark 11:24
>
>
>Preach it, Brother!
I think that say is all.
Preach it brother!
The 'if' and 'if' and the believe because I say so
religion LOL
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
"In our more diverse and secular society, the place of religion has
come to be a matter of lively discussion. It is rightly acknowledged
that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue and that the wellbeing
and prosperity of the nation depend on the contribution of individuals
and groups of all faiths and of none. "
- Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
- from a speech to the Synond of the Church of England in 2010
walksalone
Oct 17, 2012, 5:40:59 PM10/17/12
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"skye...@yahoo.com" <skye...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:99ccd75e-f39e-4b3e-
b997-557...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com:
>
> Hey, walks: we gonna get another JAGOTD post any time soon? I miss
> 'em.
walks? Who dat?
Now, if you mean me, I could repost, with the consent of the regulars, from
as far back as I have, say Dec of 2010. I don't suppose you would like
those in email?
walksalone who does admit, as of late those posts are sporadic, but so are
my days.
Fear prophets... and those prepared to die for the truth,
for as a rule they make many others die with them, often
before them, at times instead of them.
誘mberto Eco
b997-557...@y5g2000pbi.googlegroups.com:
>
> Hey, walks: we gonna get another JAGOTD post any time soon? I miss
> 'em.
Now, if you mean me, I could repost, with the consent of the regulars, from
as far back as I have, say Dec of 2010. I don't suppose you would like
those in email?
walksalone who does admit, as of late those posts are sporadic, but so are
my days.
Fear prophets... and those prepared to die for the truth,
for as a rule they make many others die with them, often
before them, at times instead of them.
誘mberto Eco
Mitchell Holman
Oct 17, 2012, 5:52:15 PM10/17/12
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:Qfidnc1df-dgLuPN...@earthlink.com:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA0EF4FE4D875C...@216.196.121.131...
>>
prayers for health NOT being answered?
news:Qfidnc1df-dgLuPN...@earthlink.com:
> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsA0EF4FE4D875C...@216.196.121.131...
>>
>> Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>> Mark 11:24
>
>
> Preach it, Brother!
So why are there sick Christians? Are their
>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>> Mark 11:24
>
>
> Preach it, Brother!
prayers for health NOT being answered?
Andrew
Oct 17, 2012, 6:07:50 PM10/17/12
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"Les" wrote in message news:4kft78tc9iq0o70c9...@4ax.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
Notice I stated, "IF you will"
It's really very simple and wonderful.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just
to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from
all unrighteousness." 1John 1:9
> and give it out of the goodness of his ... hmm do gods have or
> need hearts?
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Sure he 'loves you', that is why you are having such a tough time
>>>>
>>>> "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time
>>>> are not worthy to be compared with the glory which
>>>> shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
>
> He reckons?
>
> Is that the best he can offer?
You would also so reckon, if you new what he knew.
>
> His opinion?
>
> If he is going to pretend he is writing down the 'word of
> god' he needs to project a tad more ceraintly methinks :-)
>
>>>>
>>>>> Next time pick a god who gives you money and happiness:-))),
>>>>
>>>> "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How
>>>> long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be
>>>> God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him."
>>>> 1 Kings 18:21
>
> Hmm he seems a bit uncertain too with his 'ifs'.
Elijah is with certainty calling the people to decision.
>>> Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
>>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>>> Mark 11:24
>>
>>
>>Preach it, Brother!
>
> Merely believe the prayers are answered?
That is, for that which is in harmony with God's will.
> I think that say is all.
God loves you.
> Preach it brother!
Amen!
> Les Hellawell
> Greeting from:
> YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Andrew
> "Andrew" wrote:
>>"Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Ralph" wrote:
>>>>> Ralph wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>>>>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>>>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>>>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar,
>>>>>>>> and a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>>>>>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>>>>>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>>>>>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>
> There is nothing stopping him (apart from his not existing that is)
>
> IF he can forgive sins and does then he will forgive the sin of
> not asking for forgiveness..
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Ralph" wrote:
>>>>> Ralph wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>>>> But every time you're asked to debate your transparent LIES in a
>>>>>>>> format where we each would be forced to support our position with
>>>>>>>> independent objective evidence, ***YOU*** are the one who runs,
>>>>>>>> thereby admitting to everyone on Usenet what a coward, and a liar,
>>>>>>>> and a hypocrite, and a fraud you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Budikka, this is Andrew here. Have I ever told you that
>>>>>>> the wonderful God of heaven is the One who greatly loves
>>>>>>> you? He wants to forgive all of your sins and to give you
>>>>>>> a glorious inheritance in His eternal Kingdom, if you will.
>
> There is nothing stopping him (apart from his not existing that is)
>
> IF he can forgive sins and does then he will forgive the sin of
Notice I stated, "IF you will"
It's really very simple and wonderful.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just
to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from
all unrighteousness." 1John 1:9
> and give it out of the goodness of his ... hmm do gods have or
> need hearts?
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Sure he 'loves you', that is why you are having such a tough time
>>>>
>>>> "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time
>>>> are not worthy to be compared with the glory which
>>>> shall be revealed in us." Romans 8:18
>
> He reckons?
>
> Is that the best he can offer?
>
> His opinion?
>
> If he is going to pretend he is writing down the 'word of
> god' he needs to project a tad more ceraintly methinks :-)
>
>>>>
>>>>> Next time pick a god who gives you money and happiness:-))),
>>>>
>>>> "And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How
>>>> long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be
>>>> God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him."
>>>> 1 Kings 18:21
>
> Hmm he seems a bit uncertain too with his 'ifs'.
>>> Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
>>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>>> Mark 11:24
>>
>>
>>Preach it, Brother!
>
> Merely believe the prayers are answered?
> I think that say is all.
> Preach it brother!
Amen!
> Les Hellawell
> Greeting from:
> YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Mitchell Holman
Oct 17, 2012, 10:12:43 PM10/17/12
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"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
news:QMWdnfyFe6pQtuLN...@earthlink.com:
>
>>>> Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
>>>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>>>> Mark 11:24
>>>
>>>
>>>Preach it, Brother!
>>
>> Merely believe the prayers are answered?
>
> That is, for that which is in harmony with God's will.
So if you don't get well after praying
it is because God wants you to be sick?
news:QMWdnfyFe6pQtuLN...@earthlink.com:
>
>>>> Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
>>>> believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
>>>> Mark 11:24
>>>
>>>
>>>Preach it, Brother!
>>
>> Merely believe the prayers are answered?
>
> That is, for that which is in harmony with God's will.
it is because God wants you to be sick?
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