If God Had any Balls...
God Challenger
about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
sweat. If the stories about him were true.
He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
for all who saw him. Someone who created the heavens and the earth
would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
living people.
Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar. He is the
retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
living, and no earthly power.
(This posting in honour of the anti-blasphemy laws recently passed in
Ireland)
Free Lunch
<godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
But it's so much nicer to mock the fools who passed this law. They can
feel shame. God has disappeared.
Bill M
Congratulations!
"God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Fact Attack
you think you are brave, to challenge God, you are an ant taking on
an elephant, to show off to the other ants, the elephant doesn't prove
he's there, because he doesn't even notice you.
Smiler
Then why worship it and why pray to it, if it doesn't notice us?
But you firstly have to show some evidence that any supposed god character
exists and then show evidence that it's the same god that you worship and
not one of the myriad of other gods.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Sir Frederick
There are probably putative 'higher intelligences', aka 'gods'.
Their consideration of 'humanity' is probably no more than 'our'
consideration of cockroaches, In the meanwhile 'we' confabulate
and practice 'our' stories, 'our' meaning giving stories, at 'our'
level of intelligence. I wonder if the putative gods need their stories,
at their level? Probably so.
Of interest is to at least ask the question as the basis for the whole
situation. Kind of spooky, I say.
Budikka666
I find it hilarious as it is revealing, that those who most loudly
proclaim their faith have so very little of it.
Budikka
carl
of god. My mum deeply believes. She collects angels. I've been
an agnostic for some 7 years. So if any one who does believe.
Please present evidence any evidence of god's existance? A miracle
for instance. Bring my brother back from the dead who passed away back in
Oct. Thats all I ask.
"Sir Frederick" <mmcn...@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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tirebiter
Oh look! Another human telling other people what this god does and
doesn't do. And for the zillionth time, the god itself remains quiet
on the subject.
---
a.a. #2273
Free Lunch
in alt.atheism:
>I'm agnostic. So I'm in the middle.
Not really. Agnosticism is not about faith/belief. It is about whether
we can know. I am atheist, but I am also agnostic. There is no way to
know whether any gods exist if there is the out of the supernatural.
God
> I'm agnostic. So I'm in the middle. I challenge the existance
> of god. My mum deeply believes. She collects angels. I've been
> an agnostic for some 7 years. So if any one who does believe.
> Please present evidence any evidence of god's existance? A miracle
> for instance. Bring my brother back from the dead who passed away back in
> Oct. Thats all I ask.
That depends... was your brother a Republican or a Democrat?
Mark Earnest
"God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
He's too busy with more important things.
If any of the stories
> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
existence.
>
> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> for all who saw him.
That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
Someone who created the heavens and the earth
> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> living people.
The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to happen
until you have earned it in full colors.
>
> Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
>
> Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
> after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
God allows people to make fools of themselves.
> Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
> powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
> mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
> superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
> damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
We all effect each other. You didn't know that?
>
> I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
I say you are stupid. So there.
He is the
> retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
> the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
> will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
> living, and no earthly power.
God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
Pink Freud
"Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> He's too busy with more important things.
>
Allegedly, God is omnipotent.
By definition, he can't be too busy.
>
> If any of the stories
>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> existence.
>
And your evidence for this is?
>
>>
>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
>> for all who saw him.
>
> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>
Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
Over.
>
>
> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
>> living people.
>
> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>
Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
>>
>> Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
>
> He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
>
Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
>>
>> Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
>> after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>>
>> God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
>
> God allows people to make fools of themselves.
>
Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>> Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
>> powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
>> mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
>> superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
>> damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
>
> We all effect each other. You didn't know that?
>>
>> I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>
> I say you are stupid. So there.
>
>
> He is the
>> retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
>> stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
>> the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
>> around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
>> will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
>> living, and no earthly power.
>
> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
> You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
>
ROFL!
Curly Surmudgeon
I fart in the general direction of your god.
--
Regards, Curly
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Father Haskell
The elephant's smell would give him away every time.
Mark Earnest
"Pink Freud" <some...@here.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>>
>> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
>> He's too busy with more important things.
>>
>
> Allegedly, God is omnipotent.
> By definition, he can't be too busy.
God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things for
him.
>
>
>>
>> If any of the stories
>>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
>>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
>>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
>>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>>
>> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
>> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
>> existence.
>>
>
> And your evidence for this is?
Can you imagine things any other way?
>
>>
>>>
>>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
>>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
>>> for all who saw him.
>>
>> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>>
>
> Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
> You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
> Over.
The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
That sits pretty well with me.
>
>>
>>
>> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
>>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
>>> living people.
>>
>> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
>> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>>
>
> Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
See, you can't.
It is funny. It is so f*&$@$$# funny that one day reality may just melt.
Father Haskell
> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> He's too busy with more important things.
Like what? He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
years. More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
than actually busy.
> If any of the stories
>
> > about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> > skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> > universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> > debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> > sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> existence.
Cite?
Mark Earnest
"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> He's too busy with more important things.
Like what?
**His busy, for example, at creating you.
He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
years.
**In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
than actually busy.
**Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
such an imagining that works.
John Locke
>he's there, because he doesn't even notice you...
>
.."he doesn't even notice you"...well I'd say that's the whole problem
in a nutshell !!
Father Haskell
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> news:9e10dce7-379a-4bbf...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > He's too busy with more important things.
>
> Like what?
>
> **His busy, for example, at creating you.
>
> He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> years.
>
> **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
>
> More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> than actually busy.
>
> **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> such an imagining that works.
That only works with Tinkerbelle. And not even then.
> > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> > be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > existence.
>
> Cite?
Waiting. *Certainly* you're not beneath just making
shit up on the fly.
carl
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Well god o'mate. My brother was neither. He never voted in his life. I was
the
only Republican in the family. I was actually born in England. But
unfortunately
raised in Ca. Don't worry god. I don't believe you exist. Well sortof. Prove
your
existance to me..please?
carl
prove aliens...or ufos exist? I'm a big skeptic. I tried to get
my brother to prove he was in the bermuda triangle when
he was in the navy back in 75. He was on board the USS
Wabash. But unfortunately my brother died last Oct..of unknown
reason. I'm waiting to find out from the coroner.
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Andre Lieven
> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> He's too busy with more important things.
Crappy attempt at an analogy. The President DOES attend
public events, and multi media events. The existence, and
specifics of the President are beyond question, due to the
evidence for his existence and specifics.
Your sky pixie, OTOH, leaves NO evidence.
> > If any of the stories
> > about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> > skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> > universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> > debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> > sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> You know nothing of the God you talk about.
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
> The universe as it is would
> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> existence.
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
> > He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> > a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> > for all who saw him.
>
> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
Who says that YOURS is ?
> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
> > would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> > living people.
>
> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to happen
> until you have earned it in full colors.
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
> > Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
>
> He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
> > Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
> > after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> > God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
>
> God allows people to make fools of themselves.
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
> > Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
> > powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
> > mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
> > superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
> > damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
>
> We all effect each other. You didn't know that?
Irrelevant.
> > I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>
> I say you are stupid. So there.
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
> > He is the
> > retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> > stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
> > the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> > around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
> > will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
> > living, and no earthly power.
>
> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
> You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
No evidence offered ? Factless BS claim always fails.
"That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence." Christopher Hitchens.
Andre
tooly
>
> - Show quoted text -
YOu know I always 'mostly' agree with you...but not your cynicism. I
think we make the mistake to classify 'higher order' as 'higher
intelligence'. I mean, I think that is arrogance where we try to
define all BEing by our own standardization, and of course we see what
science and problem solving has allowed us [a certain domain over the
other animals] and then automatically resolve 'higher BEing' along the
same vector as our own. I argue that consciousness can take on
many...hmmm...I would say 'forms', but that's not quite right is it.
Consciousness can perhaps take on many 'states'...hmmm...better I
think. But then we are back to the problem of clasification
whereupon, what gives us our sense of higher order, say between, a
dog, mouse, whale, and ourselves? Intelligence surely IS part of the
equation [from simple empirical observation], but I argue that it is
the 'state' itself that somehow justifies the 'higher order'. One
clue I get is our fascination with movies...projecting 'life like'
characterizations in graphical, even 3d, representations with complex
'STORIES' to capture our imaginations...and I wonder if this is not
insight into how consciousness will divulge itself over time [in some
parallel creation]. I make this argument upon my own reasoning that
the base premise of consciousness is 'experience'...and wouldn't it
follow that eventually we use to 'create' whatever experience we find
gratifying [once we conquer the elements with our intelligence...about
the only reason I see for it's function actually, ha]. I mean, why do
people want to go to Disney World anyway?
Belief and Faith, for this reason, I wonder might perhaps be deeper
clues into how to operate the machine that we are. To eventually
create whatever paradise we might find imaginable. A lof of elements
to overcome of course...ha...peak oil, GW...so the scientist's day is
not dead quite yet, LOL [or the engineer's, just an extension of the
scientist to apply discovery]. I think we need our objects as of yet
to 'prove' to us whatever reality we find...well..'real'. A reality
without objects is a bit foreign to us...held to the poets, prophets,
and saints...and perhaps the 'crazies', hehe. There's no way to prove
that the BORG are not real to Borg you know. Perhaps it is an 'art'
to create mass hysteria to see the gods...and capture our minds in
illusions that promote a work in progress with the potential to
someday be paradise. No less that what a movie does for a few hours
in dark theaters.
Yap
Yes, but the elephant is always physically present to show his might.
Now, where is this stupid god of yours?
Yap
> I'm agnostic. So I'm in the middle. I challenge the existance
> of god. My mum deeply believes. She collects angels. I've been
> an agnostic for some 7 years. So if any one who does believe.
> Please present evidence any evidence of god's existance? A miracle
> for instance. Bring my brother back from the dead who passed away back in
> Oct. Thats all I ask.
>
Mark Earnest
On Jan 4, 12:19 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > He's too busy with more important things.
>
> Like what?
>
> **His busy, for example, at creating you.
>
> He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> years.
>
> **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
>
> More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> than actually busy.
>
> **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> such an imagining that works.
That only works with Tinkerbelle. And not even then.
***Give yourself more credit than that. If you can talk about God, you
can surely imagine him.
> > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> > be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > existence.
>
> Cite?
Waiting. *Certainly* you're not beneath just making
shit up on the fly.
***What? An atheist is interested in the Scriptures?
I almost fell out of my seat.
But here goes...
2Peter:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
Mark Earnest
"Andre Lieven" <andre...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Irrelevant.
Andre
**You don't have much to say, so I don't have much to say to you.
Yap
> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> He's too busy with more important things.
like the US cabinet?
>
> If any of the stories
>
> > about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> > skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> > universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> > debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> > sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> existence.
I have daily dreams, but they are just dreams.
>
>
>
> > He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> > a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> > for all who saw him.
>
> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
stand in front of you as a float, next change itself into a Mercedes,
then a talking elephant, then...........
>
> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
>
> > would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> > living people.
>
> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to happen
> until you have earned it in full colors.
And why would it need those ?
>
>
>
> > Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
>
> He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
When you said "blind", indeed, every single person in this world is !
>
>
>
> > Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
> > after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> > God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
>
> God allows people to make fools of themselves.
>
> > Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
> > powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
> > mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
> > superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
> > damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
>
> We all effect each other. You didn't know that?
>
>
>
> > I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>
> I say you are stupid. So there.
wrong hand.
>
> He is the
>
> > retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> > stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
> > the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> > around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
> > will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
> > living, and no earthly power.
>
> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
> You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
There is no god to show us the light, except for sun.
The so-called god can't exist in daylight, and scared of ghostly moon.
So, however much you like or prefer, there is none.
Mark Earnest
"carl" <cstan...@bak.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4b41806a$0$4942$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> If any of you can prove god's existance. Can any of you
> prove aliens...or ufos exist? I'm a big skeptic. I tried to get
> my brother to prove he was in the bermuda triangle when
> he was in the navy back in 75. He was on board the USS
> Wabash. But unfortunately my brother died last Oct..of unknown
> reason. I'm waiting to find out from the coroner.
Proof cannot exist for anything until one figures out just what proof
is.
Sir Frederick
By "higher" I generally think in terms of higher dimensionality.
Thus the consideration becomes about neural structures in five
or six dimensions, with associated representational information
structures (virtual realities), rather than the very constrained three
or four 'dimensions 'we' truck around in. IMO 'consciousness'
is a kind of folk talk on brain processes, with a lot of deceit
and 'self' deceit, thrown in. In other words, your very here and
now 'reality' experience called 'conscious', is a pragmatic virtual
reality and self con job. Also, on the other hand, there may well
be esoteric phenomena going on. 'We' need 'our' Singularity
machines. Perhaps they will become the Gods that 'we' need.
Yap
> "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8Hd0n.13643$Ma2....@newsfe04.ams2...
>
>
>
> > "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>
> >> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> >>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> >> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> >> He's too busy with more important things.
>
> > Allegedly, God is omnipotent.
> > By definition, he can't be too busy.
>
> God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things for
> him.
So, what do we call you?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> If any of the stories
> >>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> >>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> >>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> >>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> >>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> >> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> >> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> >> existence.
>
> > And your evidence for this is?
>
> Can you imagine things any other way?
>
>
>
> >>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> >>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> >>> for all who saw him.
>
> >> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>
> > Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
> > You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
> > Over.
>
> The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
> That sits pretty well with me.
>
>
>
> >> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
> >>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> >>> living people.
>
> >> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
> >> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>
> > Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
> Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
> Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
> See, you can't.
You should have ask for a million....more helpful than $50.
Andre Lieven
> "Andre Lieven" <andrelie...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
Weasel lie. The usual from the fundy retard goons.
> so I don't have much to say to you.
1) You clearly cannot even format a basic Usenet post,
2) You clearly cannot debate/refute any of my points,
3) You clearly cannot provide ANY actual evidence for
your claims,
4) You are a waste of skin.
Andre
Mark Earnest
"Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:54cd4f84-9afe-4691...@upsg2000gro.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 4, 11:17 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> He's too busy with more important things.
You mean the god also has his team of gods, some do different function
like the US cabinet?
**The other gods work pretty much indepently of the God we know about. His
servants are generally saints and angels.
>
> If any of the stories
>
> > about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> > skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> > universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> > debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> > sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> existence.
Why do you imagine that a mere showing up would destroy the universe?
**Because I know what God is like. I have been around him enough to know.
It is called eye witness testimony. Proof sufficient to send a man to
prison for life.
I have daily dreams, but they are just dreams.
>
>
>
> > He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> > a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> > for all who saw him.
>
> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
If a god can create this universe, then he could do anything. He could
stand in front of you as a float, next change itself into a Mercedes,
then a talking elephant, then...........
**He could, but would he, now? The Fonz of Happy Days could say he was
wrong about something, but would he?
>
> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
Where do you "think" the heaven is?
**It is nowhere. It does not exist yet. Just as atheists believe,
amazingly enough.
>
> > would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> > living people.
>
> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
> happen
> until you have earned it in full colors.
What type of full colors you "think" your god want?
**Creativity, bravery, correctness...
And why would it need those ?
**Because those are noble ways to be.
>
>
>
> > Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
>
> He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
How do you know he is not hiding?
**He's not hiding, he is plainly right out in front of everyone, and is
easily observable by anyone that can see.
When you said "blind", indeed, every single person in this world is !
**This is true.
>
>
>
> > Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
> > after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> > God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
>
> God allows people to make fools of themselves.
Yes, for those who wish to.
>
> > Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
> > powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
> > mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
> > superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
> > damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
>
> We all effect each other. You didn't know that?
No, not buying it.
**Throw several rocks into a still body of water. Watch how they all
affect each other.
>
>
> > I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>
> I say you are stupid. So there.
We ask a intelligent question, but unfortunately this falls on the
wrong hand.
**Name calling is never intelligent.
>
> He is the
>
> > retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> > stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
> > the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> > around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
> > will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
> > living, and no earthly power.
>
> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
> You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
There are more and more people getting out of the darkness.
***Darkness as you are using it is a spiritual term. Good going.
There is no god to show us the light, except for sun.
**And you do so again.
The so-called god can't exist in daylight, and scared of ghostly moon.
So, however much you like or prefer, there is none.
**You are getting used to spiritual terms, so you will see.
Yap
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9e10dce7-379a-4bbf...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > He's too busy with more important things.
>
> Like what?
>
> **His busy, for example, at creating you.
But this world never has such precedence.
>
> He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> years.
>
> **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
There is no god , just as there is no god to the rescue of human lives
during tsunami......
>
> More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> than actually busy.
>
> **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> such an imagining that works.
minds or the indoctrinated fools.
Mark Earnest
On Jan 4, 12:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8Hd0n.13643$Ma2....@newsfe04.ams2...
>
>
>
> > "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>
> >> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> >>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> >> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> >> He's too busy with more important things.
>
> > Allegedly, God is omnipotent.
> > By definition, he can't be too busy.
>
> God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things
> for
> him.
You think you are clever, and you think you can be his spokesman.
So, what do we call you?
**I'm nobody. I'm just another person.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> If any of the stories
> >>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> >>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> >>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> >>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> >>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> >> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> >> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> >> existence.
>
> > And your evidence for this is?
>
> Can you imagine things any other way?
See, you have admitted to "imagine" !!!!!
Atheists, I have long maintained, are correct in that we imagine
up God.
**What I maintain, in response, however, is that this fact does not
make God any less real.
We create lots of real things.
Everything real starts in somone's imagination.
>
>
>
> >>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> >>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> >>> for all who saw him.
>
> >> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>
> > Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
> > You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
> > Over.
>
> The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
> That sits pretty well with me.
Hey, your defense looks pretty the same.
**OK, I'll try to be more entertaining.
>
>
>
> >> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
> >>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> >>> living people.
>
> >> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
> >> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>
> > Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
> Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
> Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
> See, you can't.
You are not only a weakling, but also a cheap one.
You should have ask for a million....more helpful than $50.
**But I have a slightly better chance at $50, woundn't you agree?
**It doesn't melt that way. What is in your brain is what melts.
Mark Earnest
On Jan 4, 1:19 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:9e10dce7-379a-4bbf...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > He's too busy with more important things.
>
> Like what?
>
> **His busy, for example, at creating you.
You mean there could be another Father Haskell with the same DNA?
**No, but he could have reflections that could be mistaken for other Father
Haskels.
But this world never has such precedence.
**That is true.
>
> He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> years.
>
> **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
No. This world lives on with its vast resources and lives.
There is no god , just as there is no god to the rescue of human lives
during tsunami......
**Your world works that way, for now.
>
> More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> than actually busy.
>
> **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> such an imagining that works.
It is our duty to impart knowledge into the misguided or the twisted
minds or the indoctrinated fools.
**I can see your point of view. Why can't you see mine?
If you wish to be a personality with any depth, you should maintain
dozens of points of view. That makes you the life of any party.
huge
<SNP>
>> Can you imagine things any other way?
> See, you have admitted to "imagine" !!!!!
>
> Atheists, I have long maintained, are correct in that we imagine up God.
>
> **What I maintain, in response, however, is that this fact does not make
> God any less real.
You are confusing two senses of 'real.'
Captain Ahab and Buffy the Vampire Slayer are real --
real fictional characters.
But there was not an actual one-legged man who sailed the seas
in pursuit of a white whale, and there is not a young girl that goes
around stabbing blood sucking fiends with a stake.
So, to say that your god is real in the sense of being a
real imaginary being doesn't gain you anything except
the knowledge that anyone who reads your silly equivocations
will think you to be insane, and very possibly incapable
of passing a Turing test.
<SNP>
--
huge: Not on my time you don't.
Mark Earnest
"huge" <hu...@nomailaddress.com> wrote in message
news:nYadncp2nr1sE9zW...@earthlink.com...
Point to ponder:
Would anyone enjoy a good work of fiction if it were all a lie?
Fiction is reality in symbols, making it easier for the cognition to
function
enjoyably, possibly making laughter easier.
Atheists have a hard time with this one, because if they figure it out,
their whole way of looking at things comes crumbling down.
huge
> "huge" <hu...@nomailaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:nYadncp2nr1sE9zW...@earthlink.com...
>> Mark Earnest :
>> <SNP>
>>>> Can you imagine things any other way?
>>> See, you have admitted to "imagine" !!!!!
>>>
>>> Atheists, I have long maintained, are correct in that we imagine up
>>> God.
>>>
>>> **What I maintain, in response, however, is that this fact does not
>>> make God any less real.
>>
>> You are confusing two senses of 'real.'
>>
>> Captain Ahab and Buffy the Vampire Slayer are real -- real fictional
>> characters.
>>
>> But there was not an actual one-legged man who sailed the seas in
>> pursuit of a white whale, and there is not a young girl that goes
>> around stabbing blood sucking fiends with a stake.
>>
>> So, to say that your god is real in the sense of being a real imaginary
>> being doesn't gain you anything except the knowledge that anyone who
>> reads your silly equivocations will think you to be insane, and very
>> possibly incapable of passing a Turing test.
>> <SNP>
>
> Point to ponder:
> Would anyone enjoy a good work of fiction if it were all a lie? Fiction
> is reality in symbols,
You have just committed the same equivocation again!
A fiction is a reality *as* a fiction.
> making it easier for the cognition to function
> enjoyably, possibly making laughter easier.
Of course fictions and myths have their uses.
The kind of reality that any atheist worth his salt
denies is the *literal* reality of a god, bonehead.
As an atheist, I do not deny gods as *myths* or
*fictions.*
>
> Atheists have a hard time with this one,
No, obviously *you* have a hard time with it,
having shown a confusion that a grammar school
student should be able to sort out.
> because if they figure it out,
> their whole way of looking at things comes crumbling down.
I suggest you saddle up old nag Google and try to find
out what an equivocation is.
Father Haskell
I'm imaging a "her." That proves god is a she, according
to your reasoning.
>
> > > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> > > be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > > existence.
>
> > Cite?
>
> Waiting. *Certainly* you're not beneath just making
> shit up on the fly.
>
> ***What? An atheist is interested in the Scriptures?
> I almost fell out of my seat.
>
> But here goes...
>
> 2Peter:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
> the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
> shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
> shall be burned up.
That's just someone's druggie talk. Like all the rest
of the bible.
Mark Earnest
No equivocation here, as you do not know what fiction is.
Mark Earnest
***There is a way for imagining things correctly.
>
> > > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
> > > would
> > > be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > > existence.
>
> > Cite?
>
> Waiting. *Certainly* you're not beneath just making
> shit up on the fly.
>
> ***What? An atheist is interested in the Scriptures?
> I almost fell out of my seat.
>
> But here goes...
>
> 2Peter:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
> the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
> shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
> therein
> shall be burned up.
That's just someone's druggie talk. Like all the rest
of the bible.
**Well, it was you who wanted to look in the Bible, so don't blame me.
Father Haskell
I'll imagine "god" any way I like. And it'll
be true. You said so yourself.
Father Haskell
> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> You mean there could be another Father Haskell with the same DNA?
>
> **No, but he could have reflections that could be mistaken for other Father
> Haskels.
We share a multiverse with an infinite number of Father
Haskells and a zero number of gods. Thank you for
acknowledging that.
huge
No, you don't understand that a representation of one
class of things is not to be taken as a correct representation
of a completely different class of things. That is why you
don't understand what an equivocation is, and it is why no
one will take you seriously.
Yap
> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b82e4ce2-34c4-4d14...@35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 4, 12:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8Hd0n.13643$Ma2....@newsfe04.ams2...
>
> > > "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>
> > >> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> > >>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > >> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > >> He's too busy with more important things.
>
> > > Allegedly, God is omnipotent.
> > > By definition, he can't be too busy.
>
> > God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things
> > for
> > him.
>
> You think you are clever, and you think you can be his spokesman.
> So, what do we call you?
>
> **I'm nobody. I'm just another person.
But you still speak for an imaginative god.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> If any of the stories
> > >>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> > >>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> > >>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> > >>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> > >>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> > >> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
> > >> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > >> existence.
>
> > > And your evidence for this is?
>
> > Can you imagine things any other way?
>
> See, you have admitted to "imagine" !!!!!
>
> Atheists, I have long maintained, are correct in that we imagine
> up God.
>
> **What I maintain, in response, however, is that this fact does not
> make God any less real.
How do others think of your opinion?
>
> We create lots of real things.
> Everything real starts in somone's imagination.
But, from imagination to creation takes material manifestation, using
tools to make working items.
Can any one create a real god, except in his brain?
>
>
>
> > >>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> > >>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> > >>> for all who saw him.
>
> > >> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>
> > > Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
> > > You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
> > > Over.
>
> > The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
> > That sits pretty well with me.
>
> Hey, your defense looks pretty the same.
>
> **OK, I'll try to be more entertaining.
>
>
>
> > >> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
> > >>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> > >>> living people.
>
> > >> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
> > >> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>
> > > Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
> > Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
> > Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
> > See, you can't.
>
> You are not only a weakling, but also a cheap one.
> You should have ask for a million....more helpful than $50.
>
> **But I have a slightly better chance at $50, woundn't you agree?
And small sum gets you nowhere, whereas big sum can fulfill you dream
on a large scale.
Does it stick in your? Perhaps your cells have glue?
Yap
> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0a353471-57da-4bbe...@c34g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 4, 1:19 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:9e10dce7-379a-4bbf...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > > Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > > He's too busy with more important things.
>
> > Like what?
>
> > **His busy, for example, at creating you.
>
> You mean there could be another Father Haskell with the same DNA?
>
> **No, but he could have reflections that could be mistaken for other Father
> Haskels.
And can you bring a god for us to test....it may not have any DNA.
>
> But this world never has such precedence.
>
> **That is true.
>
>
>
> > He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> > years.
>
> > **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> > When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
>
> No. This world lives on with its vast resources and lives.
> There is no god , just as there is no god to the rescue of human lives
> during tsunami......
>
> **Your world works that way, for now.
>
>
>
> > More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> > than actually busy.
>
> > **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> > such an imagining that works.
>
> It is our duty to impart knowledge into the misguided or the twisted
> minds or the indoctrinated fools.
>
> **I can see your point of view. Why can't you see mine?
> If you wish to be a personality with any depth, you should maintain
> dozens of points of view. That makes you the life of any party.
I don't allow for multiple points, unless absolutely required and not
for party.
We all do not have so much time to explore, we need results.
For all practical purposes, from LA to New York, I don't travel LA-HK-
London-NY which is a waste of time and money. ( unless you pay and
that I must have the time).
Talking about your point, how about if we forgo all the medical
training and drug manufacturing to allow for god's "cure"? Would
you?
Yap
But Mark doesn't know what is a Turin test.
So, he plead ignorant.
Yap
> "huge" <h...@nomailaddress.com> wrote in message
Perhaps you have a humor in discussing the subject?
But your argument seems to have lots of holes.
What the bigots failed carries the same result in you.
Yap
But how about you imagine a god...see how it looks like.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
> > > > would
> > > > be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > > > existence.
>
> > > Cite?
>
> > Waiting. *Certainly* you're not beneath just making
> > shit up on the fly.
>
> > ***What? An atheist is interested in the Scriptures?
> > I almost fell out of my seat.
>
> > But here goes...
>
> > 2Peter:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
> > the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
> > shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
> > therein
> > shall be burned up.
>
> That's just someone's druggie talk. Like all the rest
> of the bible.
>
> **Well, it was you who wanted to look in the Bible, so don't blame me.
You mean you learn the trick of the bible, using con tactics?
Poor Mark, or mark?
Yap
Hey, I still think the multiverse as a doomed concept?
But, I agree 1000 % of zero god....con stuff for the weak earthlings,
especially in the US.
They trusted their god, but all the calamities still happened
there....the 9/11 as well.
Robibnikoff
"Fact Attack" <ilp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 3, 8:19 pm, God Challenger
you think you are brave, to challenge God,
What god?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & Belly Dancer Supreme
BAAWA Knight
#1557
Christopher A. Lee
<ilp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 3, 8:19�pm, God Challenger
>
> you think you are brave, to challenge God,
What a fucking moron.
Alex W
> On Jan 3, 8:19�pm, God Challenger
>
> you think you are brave, to challenge God, you are an ant taking on
> an elephant, to show off to the other ants, the elephant doesn't prove
> he's there, because he doesn't even notice you.
Even elephants notice when they stand in an anthill....
Anyway, don't you feel silly admitting you worship a god who
doesn;t even notice your existence?
Pink Freud
"Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com> wrote in message
> news:8Hd0n.13643$Ma2....@newsfe04.ams2...
>>
>> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>>>
>>> "God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>>>
>>> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
>>> He's too busy with more important things.
>>>
>>
>> By definition, he can't be too busy.
>
> God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things
> for him.
>
But you just said "He's too busy"
Which is it?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If any of the stories
>>>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
>>>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
>>>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
>>>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>>>
>>> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is would
>>> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
>>> existence.
>>>
>>
>> And your evidence for this is?
>
> Can you imagine things any other way?
>
Do you even know what the term "Atheist" means?
I can imagine things lots of different ways, each far more likely than the
"omnipotent god hypothesis".
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
>>>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
>>>> for all who saw him.
>>>
>>> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>>>
>>
>> Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
>> You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
>> Over.
>
> The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
> That sits pretty well with me.
>
I think the comment "20 feet tall and floating on air" was designed to
illustrate a point.
That point being "if god was omnipotent as claimed, he could indeed prove
his own existence beyond doubt".
To an atheist, "god" is in others' imaginations.
My point is: who says that *your* imagination of "god" is correct?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
>>>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
>>>> living people.
>>>
>>> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
>>> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>>>
>>
>> Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
> Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
> Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
> See, you can't.
>
Rubbish.
Here is my proof:
http://www.westernunion.co.uk/
Meaningless dribble.
Lisbeth Andersson
<...>
> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it
> is would be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent
> is his very existence.
<...>
> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you
> go. You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
Can I nominate this for oxymoron of the year?
Lisbeth.
--
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
Jimbo
> "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica:
>
> <...>
>
> > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it
> > is would be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent
> > is his very existence.
>
> <...>
>
> > God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you
> > go. You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
>
> Can I nominate this for oxymoron of the year?
>
> Lisbeth.
>
One of the more bizarre hyper-mystical answers I've ever seen. " He's
there, but you can't see him...." {Begin Twilight Zone intro music...}
M Purcell
> "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica:
>
> <...>
>
> > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it
> > is would be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent
> > is his very existence.
>
> <...>
>
> > God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you
> > go. You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
>
> Can I nominate this for oxymoron of the year?
Sure, if I can nominate this one:
On Jan 3, 1:21 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 6:29 am, M Purcell <sacsca...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 2:18 pm, Michael Gordge <mikegor...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>> What lines? There are no lines in reality, do you have an example of a
>>> certainty that deals with reality, you know something that is
>>> independent of the mind?
>> You want to know a certainty without using your mind?
> Yeah, you know the stuff that exists in reality even though billions
> of dead humans can no longer use their mind.
SkyEyes
> On Jan 3, 8:19 pm, God Challenger
>
> you think you are brave, to challenge God, you are an ant taking on
> an elephant, to show off to the other ants, the elephant doesn't prove
> he's there, because he doesn't even notice you.
Yeah, really? Got any evidence that "God" actually exists? If so,
post it here:
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Thank you.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
SkyEyes
> "huge" <h...@nomailaddress.com> wrote in message
>
> news:nYadncp2nr1sE9zW...@earthlink.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mark Earnest :
> > <SNP>
> >>> Can you imagine things any other way?
> >> See, you have admitted to "imagine" !!!!!
>
> >> Atheists, I have long maintained, are correct in that we imagine up God.
>
> >> **What I maintain, in response, however, is that this fact does not make
> >> God any less real.
>
> > You are confusing two senses of 'real.'
>
> > Captain Ahab and Buffy the Vampire Slayer are real --
> > real fictional characters.
>
> > But there was not an actual one-legged man who sailed the seas
> > in pursuit of a white whale, and there is not a young girl that goes
> > around stabbing blood sucking fiends with a stake.
>
> > So, to say that your god is real in the sense of being a
> > real imaginary being doesn't gain you anything except
> > the knowledge that anyone who reads your silly equivocations
> > will think you to be insane, and very possibly incapable
> > of passing a Turing test.
> > <SNP>
>
> Point to ponder:
> Would anyone enjoy a good work of fiction if it were all a lie?
Oh, don't pull a [M]Adman and start off with "either it's true or it's
a lie" bullpucky.
> Fiction is reality in symbols, making it easier for the cognition to
> function
> enjoyably, possibly making laughter easier.
Fiction consists of stories about events that never took place. It
*can* involve symbols, but it doesn't have to. Not everything is a
symbol. Sometimes a cigar is only a cigar.
> Theists have a hard time with this one, because they can't distinguish reality from fantasy, and think that because they *want* a ficitonal story to be factual, it must be.
I fixed it for you. No need to thank me.
SkyEyes
> "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica:
> > God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you
> > go. You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
>
> Can I nominate this for oxymoron of the year?
Yes. With heavy emphasis on the "moron" syllable.
Patriot Games
<godcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
why He is...
>If any of the stories
>about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>skeptics in person.
You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>Instead he hides, like a coward.
Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
>Does he even exist?
If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
If He does you've lost everything.
>Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men,
Or not...
>and then after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
I dunno... That whole Eternal Damnation thing doesn't sound very
convenient to me...
>God never stops people saying he doesn't exist,
Does saying He doesn't exist cause Him to not exist?
Nope. So why bother?
>I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
Self-assigned impunity?
Hahahahahahahah!!
Olrik
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
> <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
> why He is...
>
>> If any of the stories
>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>> skeptics in person.
>
> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>
>> Instead he hides, like a coward.
>
> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
>
>> Does he even exist?
>
> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
>
> If He does you've lost everything.
The Pascal Wager is hypocrite & insincere.
Pink Freud
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
> <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
> why He is...
>
>>If any of the stories
>>about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>skeptics in person.
>
> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>
>>Instead he hides, like a coward.
>
> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
>
>>Does he even exist?
>
> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
Except the endless time wasted praying, on your knees with your eyes closed.
Time, that most valuable of resources.
So that was a lie, really, about having lost nothing, wasn't it?
>
> If He does you've lost everything.
Unless the Moslems are right, in which case Christians also lose everything.
Or the Hindus are right, in which case Christians also lose everything.
Or the ancient Greeks are right, in which case Christians also lose
everything.
So that was a lie as well, really, wasn't it?
Seriously, do you think we've not come across Pascal's wager before?
It's one of the most well known pieces of non-logic in history.
Father Haskell
> On Jan 4, 3:53 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 4, 1:42 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > You mean there could be another Father Haskell with the same DNA?
>
> > > **No, but he could have reflections that could be mistaken for other Father
> > > Haskels.
>
> > We share a multiverse with an infinite number of Father
> > Haskells and a zero number of gods. Thank you for
> > acknowledging that.
>
> Hey, I still think the multiverse as a doomed concept?
An intriguing one, though. If true, every time you make a
decision, the universe buds itself off accordingly.
> But, I agree 1000 % of zero god....con stuff for the weak earthlings,
> especially in the US.
> They trusted their god, but all the calamities still happened
> there....the 9/11 as well.
God never fails, he just does shit for mysterious reasons.
It's the most watertight bullsh^H^H^H alibi ever.
Father Haskell
> "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica:
>
> <...>
>
> > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it
> > is would be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent
> > is his very existence.
>
> <...>
>
> > God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you
> > go. You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
>
> Can I nominate this for oxymoron of the year?
As well as moron of the year.
Andre Lieven
> "Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
"And finally, christians. Christians ? Ah yes, I'm sorry, I'm afraid
the Jews
were right."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UbqZ_oN5do
Andre
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Jan 3, 8:19 pm, God Challenger
>
> you think you are brave, to challenge God, you are an ant taking on
> an elephant, to show off to the other ants, the elephant doesn't prove
> he's there, because he doesn't even notice you.
There is no 'God' to challenge. Rather than squeaking your own
beliefs, why don't you back them up. Provide some evidence that
your god exists.
The Chief Instigator
failure that calls itself "Duke".
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Abbotsford 4, Houston 3 (OT, January 3)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, January 6 at Texas, 7:35
Smiler
> "Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:54cd4f84-9afe-4691...@upsg2000gro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 4, 11:17 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>>
>> He's too busy with more important things.
> like the US cabinet?
>
>
> **The other gods work pretty much indepently of the God we know
> about. His servants are generally saints and angels.
>
Evidence?
>
>>
>> If any of the stories
>>
>>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
>>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
>>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without
>>> breaking a sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>>
>> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
>> would be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his
>> very existence.
> Why do you imagine that a mere showing up would destroy the universe?
>
> **Because I know what God is like.
Your delusions are not evidence.
> I have been around him enough to
> know.
Your delusions are not evidence.
> It is called eye witness testimony. Proof sufficient to send a
> man to prison for life.
>
Not without corroborating evidence (in the UK, at least)
>
>
> I have daily dreams, but they are just dreams.
>>
>>
>>
>>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need
>>> to: a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be
>>> enough for all who saw him.
>>
>> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
> If a god can create this universe, then he could do anything. He could
> stand in front of you as a float, next change itself into a Mercedes,
> then a talking elephant, then...........
>
>
> **He could, but would he, now? The Fonz of Happy Days could say he
> was wrong about something, but would he?
The Fonz is a fictional character, exactly like your god.
>
>>
>> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
> Where do you "think" the heaven is?
>
> **It is nowhere. It does not exist yet. Just as atheists believe,
> amazingly enough.
Then why was it 'created' not to exist?
>
>
>>
>>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
>>> living people.
>>
>> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
>> happen
>> until you have earned it in full colors.
> What type of full colors you "think" your god want?
>
>
> **Creativity, bravery, correctness...
>
No gods neccessary for any of those characteristics.
>
> And why would it need those ?
>
> **Because those are noble ways to be.
>
Yes, they are noble but no gods are neccessary for them to exist in any
person.
>>
>>> Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
>>
>> He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
> How do you know he is not hiding?
>
> **He's not hiding, he is plainly right out in front of everyone, and
> is easily observable by anyone that can see.
Everyone who is deluded.
>
>
> When you said "blind", indeed, every single person in this world is !
>
> **This is true.
Yet you claim to be able to see him?
>
>>
>>> Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
>>> after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>>
>>> God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
>>
>> God allows people to make fools of themselves.
> Yes, for those who wish to.
>>
>>> Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
>>> powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't
>>> need mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying
>>> he was a superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the
>>> free will to damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other
>>> men to stop him?
>>
>> We all effect each other. You didn't know that?
> No, not buying it.
>
> **Throw several rocks into a still body of water. Watch how they all
> affect each other.
>
Throwing several people into a still body of water is illegal. Assault,
attempted murder or murder (if one or more of them drowns).
People are not rocks.
>>
>>
>>> I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>>
>> I say you are stupid. So there.
> We ask a intelligent question, but unfortunately this falls on the
> wrong hand.
>
> **Name calling is never intelligent.
>
So why did you call someone 'stupid'?
Is it because you're not intelligent?
>
>>
>> He is the
>>
>>> retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
>>> stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife
>>> until the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he
>>> hangs around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of
>>> whoever will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing
>>> to offer the living, and no earthly power.
>>
>> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
>> You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
> There are more and more people getting out of the darkness.
>
> ***Darkness as you are using it is a spiritual term. Good going.
>
Why should religion keep all the useful words to itself?
>
>
> There is no god to show us the light, except for sun.
>
> **And you do so again.
>
Why should religion keep all the useful words to itself?
>
> The so-called god can't exist in daylight, and scared of ghostly moon.
> So, however much you like or prefer, there is none.
>
> **You are getting used to spiritual terms, so you will see.
Why should religion keep all the useful words to itself?
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
tirebiter
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
>
> >He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
> why He is...
>
> >If any of the stories
> >about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> >skeptics in person.
>
> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>
> >Instead he hides, like a coward.
>
> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
>
Yet 70% of the world's population doesn't believe in the christian
brand of god, and that number is rising. Seems that even with the
evangelizing, people are not convinced.
> >Does he even exist?
>
> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
>
> If He does you've lost everything.
>
Would this god really want people to believe in it, simply as a hedge
against postlife judgement?
> >Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men,
>
> Or not...
>
> >and then after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> I dunno... That whole Eternal Damnation thing doesn't sound very
> convenient to me...
>
> >God never stops people saying he doesn't exist,
>
> Does saying He doesn't exist cause Him to not exist?
>
> Nope. So why bother?
>
> >I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>
> Self-assigned impunity?
>
> Hahahahahahahah!!
This whole post is just multiple restatements of the "hollow threat"
aka "you'll be sorry when you're dead". No proof, no rationale for
what would appease this alleged god to judge someone favorably.
Certainly it's not possible to believe this god is "all loving" or
possesses "infinite mercy" since it will arbitrarily punish dead
people for all eternity.
I wonder if this poster cares that a lot of other christians would
find the condescending laughter to be the "sin of pride" which would
also result in "Eternal Damnation"?
---
a.a. #2273
Patriot Games
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>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
>> <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
>> why He is...
>>>If any of the stories
>>>about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>>skeptics in person.
>> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>>>Instead he hides, like a coward.
>> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
>>>Does he even exist?
>> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
>Except the endless time wasted praying, on your knees with your eyes closed.
You must be talking about Muslims...
They don't believe in God, they believe in Allah, who is really
Satan...
>Time, that most valuable of resources.
Just wait... You won't truly appreciate how valuable it is until you
have an eternity of it...
>So that was a lie, really, about having lost nothing, wasn't it?
No, it wasn't. See above.
>> If He does you've lost everything.
>Unless the Moslems are right,
They aren't.
>Or the Hindus are right, in which case Christians also lose everything.
>Or the ancient Greeks are right, in which case Christians also lose
>everything.
>So that was a lie as well, really, wasn't it?
No, you weren't paying attention.
You seem to confuse belief in God with the tiny differences such as
Christians and Hindus...
>Seriously, do you think we've not come across Pascal's wager before?
From: "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com>
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Seriously, do you think the opinion of a limey faggot has any value?
>It's one of the most well known pieces of non-logic in history.
You are free to believe anything you want however your inability to
allow others THE SAME FREEDOM BETRAYS YOU.
Pink Freud
"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:13:49 -0000, "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com>
> wrote:
>>"Patriot Games" <Pat...@America.Com> wrote in message
>>news:rei4k5p7nol7h4lc7...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
>>> <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>>> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
>>> why He is...
>>>>If any of the stories
>>>>about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>>>skeptics in person.
>>> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>>>>Instead he hides, like a coward.
>>> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
>>>>Does he even exist?
>>> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
>>Except the endless time wasted praying, on your knees with your eyes
>>closed.
>
> You must be talking about Muslims...
>
I'm talking about any of the major religions. Take your pick.
> They don't believe in God, they believe in Allah, who is really
> Satan...
>
Some Christians call their god "Allah".
And Satan is a myth, just like Allah, and "god", so in that you are correct.
>>Time, that most valuable of resources.
>
> Just wait... You won't truly appreciate how valuable it is until you
> have an eternity of it...
>
Take your threats and shove them up your ass.
>>So that was a lie, really, about having lost nothing, wasn't it?
>
> No, it wasn't. See above.
>
But you have lost time, haven't you, praying, worshipping, etc?
So it was a lie.
Wasn't it.
>>> If He does you've lost everything.
>>Unless the Moslems are right,
>
> They aren't.
>
They have the same evidence as you do.
>>Or the Hindus are right, in which case Christians also lose everything.
>>Or the ancient Greeks are right, in which case Christians also lose
>>everything.
>>So that was a lie as well, really, wasn't it?
>
> No, you weren't paying attention.
>
> You seem to confuse belief in God with the tiny differences such as
> Christians and Hindus...
>
The above sentence doesn't even make sense, moron.
Care to rewrite it in English?
>>Seriously, do you think we've not come across Pascal's wager before?
>
> From: "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.9.223
> 62.252.9.223 = Leicester, United Kingdom.
>
> Seriously, do you think the opinion of a limey faggot has any value?
>
Seriously, do you think posting my approximate location in any way perturbs
me?
Why not follow up with a threat, so I can laugh at you even more?
What a fucking moron you are.
>>It's one of the most well known pieces of non-logic in history.
>
> You are free to believe anything you want however your inability to
> allow others THE SAME FREEDOM BETRAYS YOU.
>
Please explain how I am 'not allowing' others to believe, you fucking prick.
Please explain how 'not allowing' others to believe is even possible.
Try and do it in English, since you know I am a limey.
What a bunch of fucking morons we get visiting here nowadays.
God Challenger
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
>
> >He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
> why He is...
>
> >If any of the stories
> >about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> >skeptics in person.
>
> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>
> >Instead he hides, like a coward.
>
> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
>
> >Does he even exist?
>
> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
>
> If He does you've lost everything.
>
> >Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men,
>
> Or not...
>
> >and then after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> I dunno... That whole Eternal Damnation thing doesn't sound very
> convenient to me...
God will show himself when we reach a place none of us can see right
now, from which we won't be able to return to tell others about. In
this place he will have great power and then we'll be sorry. What a
conveniently untestable belief. We can't demand evidence because
evidence isn't possible for such a place. We can therefore suggest,
with equal weight, that god is afraid to come and face us, and must
hide behind bluffs that can't be called. What a loser. What a
charlatan. What an impotent half-wit this god shows himself to be.
Like any vain con-man, he only has the power we choose to give him. He
will happily let us waste all our time and money in his service.
Don Martin
>On Jan 3, 8:19�pm, God Challenger
>
> you think you are brave, to challenge God, you are an ant taking on
>an elephant, to show off to the other ants, the elephant doesn't prove
>he's there, because he doesn't even notice you.
You, perhaps, have some genuine evidence for the existence of this "elephant"?
Do present it, before discoursing of others as "ants"--there's a good fellow.
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Father Haskell
> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> Why do you imagine that a mere showing up would destroy the universe?
>
> **Because I know what God is like. I have been around him enough to know.
> It is called eye witness testimony. Proof sufficient to send a man to
> prison for life.
Or an insane asylum.
Yap
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
>
> >He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
> why He is...
He or it never stand on a podium to make a speech.......all his or its
words were the hand written hebrew language.
>
> >If any of the stories
> >about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> >skeptics in person.
>
> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
>
> >Instead he hides, like a coward.
>
> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
WE human are taking care of our family, country and career.....no time
for imagination.
>
> >Does he even exist?
>
> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
>
> If He does you've lost everything.
You mustn't put up smoke screen.
>
> >Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men,
>
> Or not...
place in the Middle-east.
You may not find it if the model globe is as small as a football.
>
> >and then after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> I dunno... That whole Eternal Damnation thing doesn't sound very
> convenient to me...
I only know human can live maximum to 120?
>
> >God never stops people saying he doesn't exist,
>
> Does saying He doesn't exist cause Him to not exist?
It has never existed for billion of years before and neither will it
be in existence in future !
>
> Nope. So why bother?
We wish for no lies to our next generation.
Or do you?
>
> >I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>
> Self-assigned impunity?
>
> Hahahahahahahah!!
Dry laughter or the beginning of insanity?
Yap
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:13:49 -0000, "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Patriot Games" <Patr...@America.Com> wrote in message
> >news:rei4k5p7nol7h4lc7...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:19:59 -0800 (PST), God Challenger
> >> <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
> >> Oops! FIRST prove He is hiding behind spokespeople THEN whine about
> >> why He is...
> >>>If any of the stories
> >>>about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> >>>skeptics in person.
> >> You'll get your chance. Be patient.
> >>>Instead he hides, like a coward.
> >> Or, He just waits for YOU to find Him.
> >>>Does he even exist?
> >> If He doesn't you've lost nothing.
> >Except the endless time wasted praying, on your knees with your eyes closed.
>
> You must be talking about Muslims...
Muslims in the mosque?
>
> They don't believe in God, they believe in Allah, who is really
> Satan...
all believing the same fooling story.
>
> >Time, that most valuable of resources.
>
> Just wait... You won't truly appreciate how valuable it is until you
> have an eternity of it...
Have you ever seen your past great great grandparents back? Or any one
for that matter?
>
> >So that was a lie, really, about having lost nothing, wasn't it?
>
> No, it wasn't. See above.
>
> >> If He does you've lost everything.
> >Unless the Moslems are right,
>
> They aren't.
what is right about you?
Or you think your believe is a better one? Or more poisonous?
>
> >Or the Hindus are right, in which case Christians also lose everything.
> >Or the ancient Greeks are right, in which case Christians also lose
> >everything.
> >So that was a lie as well, really, wasn't it?
>
> No, you weren't paying attention.
>
> You seem to confuse belief in God with the tiny differences such as
> Christians and Hindus...
They fool the ignorant.
>
> >Seriously, do you think we've not come across Pascal's wager before?
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.9.223
> 62.252.9.223 = Leicester, United Kingdom.
>
> Seriously, do you think the opinion of a limey faggot has any value?
Shame ...
>
> >It's one of the most well known pieces of non-logic in history.
>
> You are free to believe anything you want however your inability to
> allow others THE SAME FREEDOM BETRAYS YOU.
choose to place your palm into it.
When you are hurt, do you scream murder or do you fault yourself?
I bet it the former.
Worse, you don't allow we human to save your children from your
poison.
Yap
I think Mark must have been quite tire to seek asylum every where as
we do not allow him in peace.
However, I think his messages are not bright enough.
Mark Earnest
"huge" <hu...@nomailaddress.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Earnest :
>
>> "huge" <hu...@nomailaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:nYadncV2nr2fCNzW...@earthlink.com...
>>> Mark Earnest :
>>>
>>>> "huge" <hu...@nomailaddress.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:nYadncp2nr1sE9zW...@earthlink.com...
>>>>> Mark Earnest :
>>>>> <SNP>
>>>>>>> Can you imagine things any other way?
>>>>>> See, you have admitted to "imagine" !!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheists, I have long maintained, are correct in that we imagine up
>>>>>> God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> make God any less real.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are confusing two senses of 'real.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Captain Ahab and Buffy the Vampire Slayer are real -- real fictional
>>>>> characters.
>>>>>
>>>>> But there was not an actual one-legged man who sailed the seas in
>>>>> pursuit of a white whale, and there is not a young girl that goes
>>>>> around stabbing blood sucking fiends with a stake.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, to say that your god is real in the sense of being a real
>>>>> imaginary being doesn't gain you anything except the knowledge that
>>>>> anyone who reads your silly equivocations will think you to be
>>>>> insane, and very possibly incapable of passing a Turing test. <SNP>
>>>>
>>>> Point to ponder:
>>>> Would anyone enjoy a good work of fiction if it were all a lie?
>>>
>>> reality *as* a fiction.
>>
>> No equivocation here, as you do not know what fiction is.
>
> No, you don't understand that a representation of one
> class of things is not to be taken as a correct representation
> of a completely different class of things. That is why you
> don't understand what an equivocation is, and it is why no
> one will take you seriously.
If you Google me you will find that plenty of people take me seriously.
Atheists generally do not, however, since I speak a different language than
theirs.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> making it easier for the cognition to function enjoyably, possibly
>>>> making laughter easier.
>>>
>>> Of course fictions and myths have their uses. The kind of reality that
>>> any atheist worth his salt denies is the *literal* reality of a god,
>>> bonehead. As an atheist, I do not deny gods as *myths* or *fictions.*
>>>
>>>
>>>> Atheists have a hard time with this one,
>>>
>>> No, obviously *you* have a hard time with it, having shown a confusion
>>> that a grammar school student should be able to sort out.
>>>
>>>> because if they figure it out,
>>>> their whole way of looking at things comes crumbling down.
>>>
>>> I suggest you saddle up old nag Google and try to find out what an
>>> equivocation is.
>>>
>>> --
>>> huge: Not on my time you don't.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> huge: Not on my time you don't.
Mark Earnest
"SkyEyes" <skye...@cox.net> wrote in message
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**OK you fixed it, rattle brains.
One day you will know what fiction is.
Mark Earnest
On Jan 4, 2:38 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Jan 4, 12:55 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:8Hd0n.13643$Ma2....@newsfe04.ams2...
>
> > > "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>
> > >> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> He's too busy with more important things.
>
> > > By definition, he can't be too busy.
>
> > God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things
> > for
> > him.
>
> You think you are clever, and you think you can be his spokesman.
> So, what do we call you?
>
> **I'm nobody. I'm just another person.
Yes, you are.
But you still speak for an imaginative god.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> If any of the stories
> > >>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> > >>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> > >>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking
> > >>> a
> > >>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> > >> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
> > >> would
> > >> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > >> existence.
>
>
> > Can you imagine things any other way?
>
> See, you have admitted to "imagine" !!!!!
>
> Atheists, I have long maintained, are correct in that we imagine
> up God.
>
> **What I maintain, in response, however, is that this fact does not
> make God any less real.
How do others think of your opinion?
>
> We create lots of real things.
> Everything real starts in somone's imagination.
Of course we created a lot of real things.
But, from imagination to creation takes material manifestation, using
tools to make working items.
Can any one create a real god, except in his brain?
No, because that is where the gods start existence, just as you thought.
That is why there really is a Zeus, a Hermes, and an Apollo.
>
>
>
> > >>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need
> > >>> to:
> > >>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be
> > >>> enough
> > >>> for all who saw him.
>
> > >> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>
> > > Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
> > > You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
> > > Over.
>
> > The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
> > That sits pretty well with me.
>
> Hey, your defense looks pretty the same.
>
> **OK, I'll try to be more entertaining.
Not with your half attempt.
>
>
>
> > >> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
> > >>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> > >>> living people.
>
> > >> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
> > >> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>
> > > Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
> > Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
> > Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
> > See, you can't.
>
> You are not only a weakling, but also a cheap one.
> You should have ask for a million....more helpful than $50.
>
> **But I have a slightly better chance at $50, woundn't you agree?
No, a con for 50 cent carries a same jail term as for 50 million.
And small sum gets you nowhere, whereas big sum can fulfill you dream
on a large scale.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >>> Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
>
> > >> He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
>
> > > Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
> > >>> Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
> > >>> after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> > >>> God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
>
> > >> God allows people to make fools of themselves.
>
> > > Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>
> > >>> Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
> > >>> powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't
> > >>> need
> > >>> mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was
> > >>> a
> > >>> superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will
> > >>> to
> > >>> damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop
> > >>> him?
>
> > >> We all effect each other. You didn't know that?
>
> > >>> I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
>
> > >> I say you are stupid. So there.
>
> > >> He is the
> > >>> retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> > >>> stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife
> > >>> until
> > >>> the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> > >>> around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of
> > >>> whoever
> > >>> will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer
> > >>> the
> > >>> living, and no earthly power.
>
> > >> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
> > >> You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
>
> > > ROFL!
>
> > It is funny. It is so f*&$@$$# funny that one day reality may just melt.
>
> Yes, reality of a real world melts under your feet.
>
> **It doesn't melt that way. What is in your brain is what melts.
Yes, the idea of a god cannot sustain in my brain, it melts away.
Does it stick in your? Perhaps your cells have glue?
Knowledge always melts away. Wisdom is what stays.
Mark Earnest
"Pink Freud" <some...@here.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JZudnWUvOqcv6dzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>>
>> "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com> wrote in message
>> news:8Hd0n.13643$Ma2....@newsfe04.ams2...
>>>
>>> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>>>>
>>>> "God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>>>>
>>>> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
>>>> He's too busy with more important things.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Allegedly, God is omnipotent.
>>> By definition, he can't be too busy.
>>
>> God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things
>> for him.
>>
>
> Which is it?
He's busy with the important things. He leaves lesser jobs to his
servants.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If any of the stories
>>>>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>>>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
>>>>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
>>>>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
>>>>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>>>>
>>>> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
>>>> would
>>>> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
>>>> existence.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And your evidence for this is?
>>
>> Can you imagine things any other way?
>>
>
> Do you even know what the term "Atheist" means?
> I can imagine things lots of different ways, each far more likely than the
> "omnipotent god hypothesis".
Then put reality together until it works.
One place atheists' version of reality does not work is that you
end existence in the grave. That makes life of no purpose.
Fix your perception of reality until it works.
I had to, many times.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
>>>>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
>>>>> for all who saw him.
>>>>
>>>> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
>>> You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
>>> Over.
>>
>> The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
>> That sits pretty well with me.
>>
>
> I think the comment "20 feet tall and floating on air" was designed to
> illustrate a point.
> That point being "if god was omnipotent as claimed, he could indeed prove
> his own existence beyond doubt".
> To an atheist, "god" is in others' imaginations.
>
> My point is: who says that *your* imagination of "god" is correct?
No one. But it still is.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
>>>>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
>>>>> living people.
>>>>
>>>> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
>>>> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>>
>> Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
>> Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
>> See, you can't.
>>
>
> Rubbish.
> Here is my proof:
> http://www.westernunion.co.uk/
Well do it then. That will prove you can.
Mark Earnest
"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 2:44 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4ced8aa2-b7f2-4cf7...@h9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 4, 1:14 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:eab5a92c-8539-45a4...@q41g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jan 4, 12:19 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:9e10dce7-379a-4bbf...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > > > Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > > > He's too busy with more important things.
>
>
> > > **His busy, for example, at creating you.
>
> > > He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> > > years.
>
> > > **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> > > When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
>
> > > More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> > > than actually busy.
>
> > > **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> > > such an imagining that works.
>
> > That only works with Tinkerbelle. And not even then.
>
> > ***Give yourself more credit than that. If you can talk about God, you
> > can surely imagine him.
>
> I'm imaging a "her." That proves god is a she, according
> to your reasoning.
>
> ***There is a way for imagining things correctly.
I'll imagine "god" any way I like. And it'll
be true. You said so yourself.
**There's imagining, and then there is being rampant.
The flying spaghetti monster, for example.
That is being rampant.
Mark Earnest
But how about you imagine a god...see how it looks like.
**Keep trying and you will.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
> > > > would
> > > > be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
> > > > existence.
>
> > > Cite?
>
> > Waiting. *Certainly* you're not beneath just making
> > shit up on the fly.
>
> > ***What? An atheist is interested in the Scriptures?
> > I almost fell out of my seat.
>
> > But here goes...
>
> > 2Peter:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
> > in
> > the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
> > elements
> > shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are
> > therein
> > shall be burned up.
>
> That's just someone's druggie talk. Like all the rest
> of the bible.
>
> **Well, it was you who wanted to look in the Bible, so don't blame me.
If you have not looked into it, how could you stay with us ?
You mean you learn the trick of the bible, using con tactics?
Poor Mark, or mark?
The Bible gives you guys something to do, just as it does any of us.
Pink Freud
>
> "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com> wrote in message
> news:bJk0n.32319$hP3....@newsfe30.ams2...
>>
>> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:JZudnWUvOqcv6dzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>>>
>>> "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8Hd0n.13643$Ma2....@newsfe04.ams2...
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Earnest" <gmea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:08udnbuym8JUwNzW...@posted.internetamerica...
>>>>>
>>>>> "God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
>>>>> He's too busy with more important things.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Allegedly, God is omnipotent.
>>>> By definition, he can't be too busy.
>>>
>>> God may be omnipotent, but he also likes servants like you to do things
>>> for him.
>>>
>>
>> But you just said "He's too busy"
>> Which is it?
>
> He's busy with the important things. He leaves lesser jobs to his
> servants.
>
You said "too busy".
How can he be "too busy"?
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If any of the stories
>>>>>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>>>>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
>>>>>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
>>>>>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>>>>>
>>>>> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
>>>>> would
>>>>> be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his very
>>>>> existence.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And your evidence for this is?
>>>
>>> Can you imagine things any other way?
>>>
>>
>> Do you even know what the term "Atheist" means?
>> I can imagine things lots of different ways, each far more likely than
>> the "omnipotent god hypothesis".
>
> Then put reality together until it works.
> One place atheists' version of reality does not work is that you
> end existence in the grave.
Why does that not work?
> That makes life of no purpose.
>
Non sequitor.
> Fix your perception of reality until it works.
It works, thanks.
> I had to, many times.
>
Newsflash, Mark: you still need to.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need
>>>>>> to:
>>>>>> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>> for all who saw him.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pot. Come in Pot. This is Kettle.
>>>> You are black, repeat, YOU ARE BLACK.
>>>> Over.
>>>
>>> The point is that the atheist is attempting to imagine God.
>>> That sits pretty well with me.
>>>
>>
>> I think the comment "20 feet tall and floating on air" was designed to
>> illustrate a point.
>> That point being "if god was omnipotent as claimed, he could indeed prove
>> his own existence beyond doubt".
>> To an atheist, "god" is in others' imaginations.
>>
>> My point is: who says that *your* imagination of "god" is correct?
>
> No one. But it still is.
>
No it isn't. We can play this game all day.
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
>>>>>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
>>>>>> living people.
>>>>>
>>>>> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
>>>>> happen until you have earned it in full colors.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Translation: I can offer no evidence to support my argument.
>>>
>>> Just because I don't doesn't mean that I can't.
>>> Prove you can send me fifty dollars.
>>> See, you can't.
>>>
>>
>> Rubbish.
>> Here is my proof:
>> http://www.westernunion.co.uk/
>
> Well do it then. That will prove you can.
>
Why would I want to send you money?
I've already proved that I can.
Mark Earnest
On Jan 4, 2:42 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> On Jan 4, 1:19 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > On Jan 3, 10:17 pm, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > >news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>
> > > Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
> > > He's too busy with more important things.
>
>
> > **His busy, for example, at creating you.
>
>
> **No, but he could have reflections that could be mistaken for other
> Father
> Haskels.
And can you bring a god for us to test....it may not have any DNA.
**God is too big to fit into any laboratory. Can you prove Niagara Falls
exists by putting it into a laboratory?
>
> But this world never has such precedence.
>
> **That is true.
So, you know there was never a god to begin with?
**It depends on what you mean by "to begin."
If by begin you mean us thinking God up, then yes,
God had a beginning. And that is the admitted many times
over atheist's perspective, so go with it.
**You see, you guys are right about one thing at least: that we all
really did crawl up out of the ocean.
>
>
>
> > He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> > years.
>
> > **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> > When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
>
> No. This world lives on with its vast resources and lives.
> There is no god , just as there is no god to the rescue of human lives
> during tsunami......
>
> **Your world works that way, for now.
Your world is the same as mine, except you have fantasy.
**That's your perspective. Leave my perspective alone.
>
>
>
> > More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> > than actually busy.
>
> > **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> > such an imagining that works.
>
> It is our duty to impart knowledge into the misguided or the twisted
> minds or the indoctrinated fools.
**What do you get for doing it?
>
> **I can see your point of view. Why can't you see mine?
> If you wish to be a personality with any depth, you should maintain
> dozens of points of view. That makes you the life of any party.
My points are clear. But you don't have a point.
I don't allow for multiple points, unless absolutely required and not
for party.
We all do not have so much time to explore, we need results.
For all practical purposes, from LA to New York, I don't travel LA-HK-
London-NY which is a waste of time and money. ( unless you pay and
that I must have the time).
Talking about your point, how about if we forgo all the medical
training and drug manufacturing to allow for god's "cure"? Would
you?
**No, because God works in the natural these days.
As I said, we all crawled up out of the ocean.
Dionysus
"God Challenger" <godcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen. If any of the stories
> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> living people.
>
>
> after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
> powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
> mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
> superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
> damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
>
> retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
> the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
> will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
> living, and no earthly power.
>
> Ireland)
***********
You remind me of the old story about the flea crawling up the elephant's
leg, with rape on its mind. The elephant merely ignores that which is
totally inconsequential. As you are.
Dionysus
Mark Earnest
"Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Earnest wrote:
>> "Yap" <hhya...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:54cd4f84-9afe-4691...@upsg2000gro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jan 4, 11:17 am, "Mark Earnest" <gmearn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "God Challenger" <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:ec769eea-e258-48df...@34g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
>>>
>>> Why does the U.S. President send a Secretary of State?
>>> He's too busy with more important things.
>> You mean the god also has his team of gods, some do different function
>> like the US cabinet?
>>
>>
>> **The other gods work pretty much indepently of the God we know
>> about. His servants are generally saints and angels.
>>
>
> Evidence?
Go get a book on Greek Mythology.
>
>>
>>>
>>> If any of the stories
>>>
>>>> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
>>>> skeptics in person. It would be nothing for the creator of the
>>>> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
>>>> debated. He could do this a thousand times a second without
>>>> breaking a sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>>>
>>> You know nothing of the God you talk about. The universe as it is
>>> would be destroyed if God suddenly showed up, so magnificent is his
>>> very existence.
>> Why do you imagine that a mere showing up would destroy the universe?
>>
>> **Because I know what God is like.
>
> Your delusions are not evidence.
There is no such thing as a delusion.
>
>> I have been around him enough to
>> know.
>
> Your delusions are not evidence.
There is no such thing as a delusion.
>
>> It is called eye witness testimony. Proof sufficient to send a
>> man to prison for life.
>>
>
> Not without corroborating evidence (in the UK, at least)
There's plenty of that, too. Atheists just don't understand the word,
evidence, and what it truthfully means.
>
>>
>>
>> I have daily dreams, but they are just dreams.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need
>>>> to: a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be
>>>> enough for all who saw him.
>>>
>>> That's your imagination of God. Who says it is correct?
>> If a god can create this universe, then he could do anything. He could
>> stand in front of you as a float, next change itself into a Mercedes,
>> then a talking elephant, then...........
>>
>>
>> **He could, but would he, now? The Fonz of Happy Days could say he
>> was wrong about something, but would he?
>
> The Fonz is a fictional character, exactly like your god.
He's not fictional, he's Henry Winkler on one of his best days.
(Happy Days, ha ha)
>
>>
>>>
>>> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
>> Where do you "think" the heaven is?
>>
>> **It is nowhere. It does not exist yet. Just as atheists believe,
>> amazingly enough.
>
> Then why was it 'created' not to exist?
It is not created at all yet.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
>>>> living people.
>>>
>>> The appearance of God happens to be the payoff, so don't expect it to
>>> happen
>>> until you have earned it in full colors.
>> What type of full colors you "think" your god want?
>>
>>
>> **Creativity, bravery, correctness...
>>
>
> No gods neccessary for any of those characteristics.
That is not connected with the question here.
>
>>
>> And why would it need those ?
>>
>> **Because those are noble ways to be.
>>
>
> Yes, they are noble but no gods are neccessary for them to exist in any
> person.
>
>>>
>>>> Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
>>>
>>> He's not hiding. You are just blind to him.
>> How do you know he is not hiding?
>>
>> **He's not hiding, he is plainly right out in front of everyone, and
>> is easily observable by anyone that can see.
>
> Everyone who is deluded.
There is no such thing as a delusion.
You guys are believing things you have never seen now.
Give God a break.
>
>>
>>
>> When you said "blind", indeed, every single person in this world is !
>>
>> **This is true.
>
> Yet you claim to be able to see him?
Only through a very strong filter.
Maybe it was not intelligent of me to say that.
But he started it.
>
>>
>>>
>>> He is the
>>>
>>>> retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
>>>> stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife
>>>> until the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he
>>>> hangs around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of
>>>> whoever will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing
>>>> to offer the living, and no earthly power.
>>>
>>> God is not in limbo. He is right in front of you, everywhere you go.
>>> You, like everyone else, are just blind to him.
>> There are more and more people getting out of the darkness.
>>
>> ***Darkness as you are using it is a spiritual term. Good going.
>>
>
> Why should religion keep all the useful words to itself?
You are using the words in their spiritual connotation, a no no for
atheists.
Mark Earnest
Or an insane asylum.
**The sane people are in the insane asylum.
The insane people are outside of it.
The world is upside down.
Yap
There is nothing too big for the lab, especially for a god which can
change itself into a rodent.
We can't bring Niagara to the lab but we can bring the lab to the
Falls.
You don't believe in human intelligence?
>
>
>
> > But this world never has such precedence.
>
> > **That is true.
>
> So, you know there was never a god to begin with?
>
> **It depends on what you mean by "to begin."
> If by begin you mean us thinking God up, then yes,
> God had a beginning. And that is the admitted many times
> over atheist's perspective, so go with it.
My begin with meant there was no god form the beginning of universe.
Let us know your version of the bigotry perspective.....but buying the
bullshit from goat herders is a sad thing.
>
> **You see, you guys are right about one thing at least: that we all
> really did crawl up out of the ocean.
Wow, your god will be sad.
It said it created human from dust, but now you proclaimed we were
from ocean?
>
>
>
> > > He's been AWOL for the past several thousand
> > > years.
>
> > > **In a way God is gone, and in another way he is already here.
> > > When God is here in every way, that is when life begins.
>
> > No. This world lives on with its vast resources and lives.
> > There is no god , just as there is no god to the rescue of human lives
> > during tsunami......
>
> > **Your world works that way, for now.
I thought this is also your world?
Human will never have an end to "for now"....if it were to be gone,
there would be anything left.
>
> Your world is the same as mine, except you have fantasy.
>
> **That's your perspective. Leave my perspective alone.
No, how can we not out to save you?
We need you to stand up and work, work for humanity....not day
dreaming.
But if you choose otherwise, pls shout aloud.
>
>
>
> > > More likely he's behind the toolshed goldbricking
> > > than actually busy.
>
> > > **Well, at least you are imagining God. Keep at it, until you get
> > > such an imagining that works.
>
> > It is our duty to impart knowledge into the misguided or the twisted
> > minds or the indoctrinated fools.
>
> **What do you get for doing it?
The world needs helping hands all the time.
Look at the vast poverty in Africa....you should visit one day.
>
>
>
> > **I can see your point of view. Why can't you see mine?
> > If you wish to be a personality with any depth, you should maintain
> > dozens of points of view. That makes you the life of any party.
>
> My points are clear. But you don't have a point.
> I don't allow for multiple points, unless absolutely required and not
> for party.
> We all do not have so much time to explore, we need results.
> For all practical purposes, from LA to New York, I don't travel LA-HK-
> London-NY which is a waste of time and money. ( unless you pay and
> that I must have the time).
>
> Talking about your point, how about if we forgo all the medical
> training and drug manufacturing to allow for god's "cure"? Would
> you?
>
> **No, because God works in the natural these days.
> As I said, we all crawled up out of the ocean.
I guess you are a naturalist?
Please say so and that there is no god in your vocabulary or nature =
god.
Yap
> "Yap" <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote in message
No, I don't waste my time. The bible is a well known con.
I am working hard for myself, my family, my society and my fellow
human being.
If you are in the same ship as me, welcome.
bigfl...@gmail.com
> He would not need to hide behind spokesmen.
So you have decided God is a 'he'
>If any of the stories
> about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> skeptics in person.
So what would 'he' look like?
> It would be nothing for the creator of the
> universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> debated.
You would have to at least have some idea of what you were looking
for.
> He could do this a thousand times a second without breaking a
> sweat. If the stories about him were true.
And you could recognise this 'he' a thousand times per second?
>
> He could of course fight all who challenged him, but wouldn't need to:
> a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> for all who saw him.
Ahhh, so 20' and gravity defying! Something like the art of ancient
civilizations, gravity defying, and different height and shape.
What if some other entity then appeared, 40' and coould walk through
fire?
> Someone who created the heavens and the earth
> would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> living people.
How high would 'he' have to be?
>
> Instead he hides, like a coward. Does he even exist?
So a 15' 'entity' appears on your room tonight. Which religion would
you join tomorrow?
>
> Apparently he reveals himself through books written by men, and then
> after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
What...no music reference?
The only way for those who believe in what you believe....being the
frame of references required.A few 'tricks' and you would be there !
>
> God never stops people saying he doesn't exist, only people do that.
> Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
> powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
> mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
> superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
> damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
Ahhh, so you have hell on your list of beliefs also.
>
> I say with impunity that god is a coward and a liar.
Impunity from who? A 'tall' manipulator of the laws of physics? A few
'magic mushrooms' from a Brazillian Indian shaman will give you all of
that, and more.
> He is the
> retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
> the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
> will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
> living, and no earthly power.
I think you have already had some psychic experiences by the sound of
it. Yes, there are such entities, but either you have experienced
them, or thats just another belief.
>
> (This posting in honour of the anti-blasphemy laws recently passed in
> Ireland).
And I thought you were being serious...
BOfL
bigfl...@gmail.com
>
> But it's so much nicer to mock the fools who passed this law. They can
> feel shame. God has disappeared.- Hide quoted text -
>
So what did God look like befor the disappearing act?
BOfL
bigfl...@gmail.com
> Fact Attack wrote:
> > On Jan 3, 8:19 pm, God Challenger
>
> > you think you are brave, to challenge God, you are an ant taking on
> > an elephant, to show off to the other ants, the elephant doesn't prove
> > he's there, because he doesn't even notice you.
>
> But you firstly have to show some evidence that any supposed god character
> exists and then show evidence that it's the same god that you worship and
> not one of the myriad of other gods.
>
> --
> Smiler
> The godless one
> a.a.# 2279
> All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
> perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
So far then, we have a very tall gravity defyng entity, and something
of the scale of an ant to an elephant. That describes some of the
early cave paintings. Very good!
BOfL
bigfl...@gmail.com
> On Jan 3, 7:19 pm, God Challenger <godchallen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > He would not need to hide behind spokesmen. If any of the stories
> > about him were true, he would have nothing to fear from facing his
> > universe to pop out of the air whenever and wherever he was being
> > sweat. If the stories about him were true.
>
> > a simple appearance, 20 feet tall and floating on air, would be enough
> > would require no effort to make this appearance at least once to all
> > living people.
>
>
> > after you die. How convenient for his proponents.
>
> > Perhaps they believe they are fulfilling his will. But god is more
> > powerful - supposedly - than all people put together. He doesn't need
> > mere humans to defend him. If he wanted to stop people saying he was a
> > superstitious fairly tale, he would do so. If man has the free will to
> > damn himself to hell for unbelief, then who are other men to stop him?
>
> > retarded ghost of a man who wanted to be king but was too weak and
> > stupid when he was alive. He now refuses to go to the afterlife until
> > the whole world worships him, but it will never happen. So he hangs
> > around in limbo, sad and desperate, whispering in the ears of whoever
> > will listen. A pathetic, pitiful creature. He has nothing to offer the
> > living, and no earthly power.
>
> > Ireland)
>
> proclaim their faith have so very little of it.
>
> Budikka- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
And the value and purpose of faith is ?
BOfL
tirebiter
> "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote in message
> >> **He's not hiding, he is plainly right out in front of everyone, and
> >> is easily observable by anyone that can see.
>
> > Everyone who is deluded.
>
> There is no such thing as a delusion.
>
And that's exactly what delusional people always say.
---
a.a. #2273
bigfl...@gmail.com
> I'm agnostic. So I'm in the middle. I challenge the existance
> of god. My mum deeply believes. She collects angels. I've been
> an agnostic for some 7 years. So if any one who does believe.
> Please present evidence any evidence of god's existance? A miracle
> for instance. Bring my brother back from the dead who passed away back in
> Oct. Thats all I ask.
>
And then what? Would you be convinced? How would you convince others?
By having their families be brought back to life?
If you die of old age, or a debilitating disease, would you not prefer
to come back in a brand new 'pristine' body?
People are strring at miracles every minute of every day, and 'know
not what they see'.
Thats not meant to be an argument 'for' God, but for 'life'.
BOfL
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> I'm agnostic. So I'm in the middle. I challenge the existance
> of god. My mum deeply believes. She collects angels. I've been
> an agnostic for some 7 years. So if any one who does believe.
> Please present evidence any evidence of god's existance? A miracle
> for instance. Bring my brother back from the dead who passed away back in
> Oct. Thats all I ask.
>
Then what? You get what you want so therefor ther is a God? How would
you convince others (assuming you would want them to be as fulfilled
as this event would make you). Have ther families brought back?
If you died of old age, or a debilitationg disease, whould you not
prefer to come back in a brand new body of a baby?
Many people are stiring at miracles 24/7, but always believe they
'know better'.....until they finally 'get it', which takes many many
lifetimes.
BOfL