Ok already! Christ existed, what of NT content
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servant
Jan 24, 2023, 1:52:06 PMJan 24
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Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist bart
ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses in part
Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ, Peter and John
as his evidence.
As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT around the early
to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and events and thinking
some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including people who knew Him
directly.
He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in other of his letters as a
missionary folllower of his.
He ties the current discussion of theology he had learned from the apostles
above to the prophets of the OT.
Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of his theological
discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
Bart ehrman has no hesitation the Crucifixion of Christ happened at the
direction of the head roman official. As an event also with Christ
existing as the overwhelming view of scolars of the place/time, that also
has a similar reception among them.
Considering but one of the very early letters of Paul, it alone laid the
historical/theological foundation for much of the rest of what became the
nT even without considering any of it on its own historical merits.
ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses in part
Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ, Peter and John
as his evidence.
As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT around the early
to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and events and thinking
some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including people who knew Him
directly.
He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in other of his letters as a
missionary folllower of his.
He ties the current discussion of theology he had learned from the apostles
above to the prophets of the OT.
Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of his theological
discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
Bart ehrman has no hesitation the Crucifixion of Christ happened at the
direction of the head roman official. As an event also with Christ
existing as the overwhelming view of scolars of the place/time, that also
has a similar reception among them.
Considering but one of the very early letters of Paul, it alone laid the
historical/theological foundation for much of the rest of what became the
nT even without considering any of it on its own historical merits.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 24, 2023, 9:25:49 PMJan 24
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servant wrote in news:63d028d2$0$2227$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu:
> Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist
> bart ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses
> in part Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ,
> Peter and John as his evidence.
>
> As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT around the
> early to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and events and
> thinking some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including people
> who knew Him directly.
>
> He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in other of his letters as
> a missionary folllower of his.
>
> He ties the current discussion of theology he had learned from the
> apostles above to the prophets of the OT.
>
> Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of his theological
> discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
>
> Bart ehrman has no hesitation the Crucifixion of Christ happened at
> the direction of the head roman official. As an event also with
> Christ existing as the overwhelming view of scolars of the place/time,
> that also has a similar reception among them.
What "scolars" are you talking about?
> Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist
> bart ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses
> in part Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ,
> Peter and John as his evidence.
>
> As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT around the
> early to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and events and
> thinking some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including people
> who knew Him directly.
>
> He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in other of his letters as
> a missionary folllower of his.
>
> He ties the current discussion of theology he had learned from the
> apostles above to the prophets of the OT.
>
> Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of his theological
> discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
>
> Bart ehrman has no hesitation the Crucifixion of Christ happened at
> the direction of the head roman official. As an event also with
> Christ existing as the overwhelming view of scolars of the place/time,
> that also has a similar reception among them.
Ted
Jan 24, 2023, 10:10:37 PMJan 24
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gospels are almost entirely bullshit. And *your* Jesus is pure myth.
JWS
Jan 24, 2023, 10:41:08 PMJan 24
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On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-6, servant wrote:
> Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist bart
> ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses in part
> Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ, Peter and John
> as his evidence.
It was common to call friends "brother".
> Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist bart
> ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses in part
> Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ, Peter and John
> as his evidence.
I meet people too. It's not all that significant.
> As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT around the early
> to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and events and thinking
> some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including people who knew Him
> directly.
Why 20 or 30 years of silence before anyone
writes about Geebuzz?
> He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in other of his letters as a
> missionary folllower of his.
> He ties the current discussion of theology he had learned from the apostles
> above to the prophets of the OT.
stories that fulfill the prophecies.
> Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of his theological
> discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
beyond the execution of a criminal of the state.
> Bart ehrman has no hesitation the Crucifixion of Christ happened at the
> direction of the head roman official. As an event also with Christ
> existing as the overwhelming view of scolars of the place/time, that also
> has a similar reception among them.
Beyond "say-so", I mean?
> Considering but one of the very early letters of Paul, it alone laid the
> historical/theological foundation for much of the rest of what became the
> nT even without considering any of it on its own historical merits.
You get to pretend you will live forever.
servant
Jan 25, 2023, 9:18:58 AMJan 25
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> Re: Ok already! Christ existed, what of NT content
>
> From: Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net>
> Reply to: Mitchell Holman
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 02:25:42 +0000
> Organization: TDSOTF
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His colleagues and peers who study the time and place of 1st century
palistine. You might want to have a look here:
'Execution of Jesus | Evidence Unseen'
https://www.evidenceunseen.com/christ/defending-the-resurrection/execution-of-jesus/
>
> From: Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net>
> Reply to: Mitchell Holman
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 02:25:42 +0000
> Organization: TDSOTF
> Newsgroups:
> alt.christnet.christianlife,
> alt.atheism
> Followup to: newsgroups
> References:
> <63d028d2$0$2227$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu>
palistine. You might want to have a look here:
'Execution of Jesus | Evidence Unseen'
https://www.evidenceunseen.com/christ/defending-the-resurrection/execution-of-jesus/
servant
Jan 25, 2023, 9:40:29 AMJan 25
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>Nope. "Christ" never existed.
In the same letter above Paul uses the title "Christ",ie. "annointed one".
What opinion one might have 2000 years later is of little consequence about
the use of the title at the time.
>Yes, Jesus was a real person. But the
>gospels are almost entirely bullshit. And *your* Jesus is pure myth.
to refer to them because Paul expressed the core of christian theology long
before their writing and soon after the life of Christ. His sources
mentioned did know directly of the life and times and teachings of
Christ,ie. the man Jesus but a few years later when conveyed to Paul.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 25, 2023, 9:40:30 AMJan 25
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servant wrote in news:63d13a4e$0$2227$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu:
From the above:
"First, ancient non-Christian writers
mention the crucifixion of Jesus. Consider
a few key examples.
Cornelius Tacitus (Non-Christian Roman historian, AD 110): "Christus… was
put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of
Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke
out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but
through the city of Rome also.”[4]
(not a contemporaneous account)
Talmud (Jewish literature, AD 200-400): "On the eve of the Passover Yeshu
[Jesus] was hanged."[5]
(not a contemporaneous account)
Lucian (Greek satirist, AD 115-200): "The Christians, you know, worship a
man to this day… and was crucified on that account… they are all
brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of
Greece, and worship the crucified sage."[6]
(not a contemporaneous account)
"First, ancient non-Christian writers
mention the crucifixion of Jesus. Consider
a few key examples.
Cornelius Tacitus (Non-Christian Roman historian, AD 110): "Christus… was
put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of
Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke
out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but
through the city of Rome also.”[4]
(not a contemporaneous account)
Talmud (Jewish literature, AD 200-400): "On the eve of the Passover Yeshu
[Jesus] was hanged."[5]
(not a contemporaneous account)
Lucian (Greek satirist, AD 115-200): "The Christians, you know, worship a
man to this day… and was crucified on that account… they are all
brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of
Greece, and worship the crucified sage."[6]
(not a contemporaneous account)
seervant
Jan 25, 2023, 9:50:51 AMJan 25
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>>>> Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist
>>>> bart ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He
>>>> uses in part Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of
>>>> Christ, Peter and John as his evidence.
>>>>
>>>> As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT around the
>>>> early to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and events
>>>> and thinking some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including
>>>> people who knew Him directly.
>>>>
>>>> He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in other of his letters
>>>> as a missionary folllower of his.
>>>>
>>>> He ties the current discussion of theology he had learned from the
>>>> apostles above to the prophets of the OT.
>>>>
>>>> Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of his
>>>> theological discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
>>>>
>>>> Bart ehrman has no hesitation the Crucifixion of Christ happened at
>>>> the direction of the head roman official. As an event also with
>>>> Christ existing as the overwhelming view of scolars of the
>>>> place/time, that also has a similar reception among them.
>>>
>>>
>>> What "scolars" are you talking about?
>>
>> His colleagues and peers who study the time and place of 1st century
>> palistine. You might want to have a look here:
>>
>> 'Execution of Jesus | Evidence Unseen'
>>
>> https://www.evidenceunseen.com/christ/defending-the-resurrection/execut
>> ion-of-jesus/
>>
>
One poster observes:>
>>>> bart ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He
>>>> uses in part Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of
>>>> Christ, Peter and John as his evidence.
>>>>
>>>> As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT around the
>>>> early to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and events
>>>> and thinking some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including
>>>> people who knew Him directly.
>>>>
>>>> He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in other of his letters
>>>> as a missionary folllower of his.
>>>>
>>>> He ties the current discussion of theology he had learned from the
>>>> apostles above to the prophets of the OT.
>>>>
>>>> Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of his
>>>> theological discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
>>>>
>>>> Bart ehrman has no hesitation the Crucifixion of Christ happened at
>>>> the direction of the head roman official. As an event also with
>>>> Christ existing as the overwhelming view of scolars of the
>>>> place/time, that also has a similar reception among them.
>>>
>>>
>>> What "scolars" are you talking about?
>>
>> His colleagues and peers who study the time and place of 1st century
>> palistine. You might want to have a look here:
>>
>> 'Execution of Jesus | Evidence Unseen'
>>
>> https://www.evidenceunseen.com/christ/defending-the-resurrection/execut
>> ion-of-jesus/
>>
>
>
> From the above:
He then mentions dates of ancient writers listed by the author of the
article. That was not my point for selecting it, it was solely to document
the view of bart ehrman quoated in it; as to the historical reality of the
event.
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 5:28:38 PMJan 25
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invented a lot of it himself. Jesus certainly didn't have anything to
do with it.
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 5:31:17 PMJan 25
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 19:41:05 -0800 (PST), JWS <jld...@skybeam.com>
wrote:
The christers who truly believe that are very few. They hope it's
true, but at some level they worry that it's not.
wrote:
true, but at some level they worry that it's not.
Message has been deleted
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 5:42:48 PMJan 25
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derive nothing by establishing that your silly myth was based on the
existence of a real person. Zeus too may have been based on a real
person. But the mythical Zeus doesn't exist and neither does Jesus.
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 6:28:38 PMJan 25
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 14:39:53 -0800 (PST), Jeffrey Rubard
<jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 2:28:38 PM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot
wrote:
> Do you think this "does a whole lot", do
> you?
Vague questions deserve no response.
<jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 at 2:28:38 PM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot
wrote:
> you?
Vague questions deserve no response.
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 6:54:13 PMJan 25
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religion to be bullshit. That's why you won't make any argument other
than citing scholars.
servant
Jan 25, 2023, 7:08:14 PMJan 25
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A partial copy and paste of the original post to fix formatting problems:
Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist bart
ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses in part
Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ, Peter and John
as his evidence. As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT
around the early to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and
events and thinking some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including
people who knew Him directly. He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in
other of his letters as a missionary folllower of his. He ties the current
discussion of theology he had learned from the apostles above to the
prophets of the OT. Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of
his theological discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
One fundimentalist atheist had a thought:
>Paul didn't "express" the core of Christian theology, rather he invented a
>lot of it himself.
Hmm, read the entire letter referenced above and tell us what major part of
core christian theology is missing? Then have a go at the evidence of the
"invented" bit above; and what part is His and what not in the letter to
that end.
>Jesus certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
Ah, then please add an addendum to support this novel idea given the info
in the letter being discussed.
Let's concentrate alone on the writings of Paul. Agnostic/atheist bart
ehrman cites him as part of the evidence Christ existed. He uses in part
Galatians in which Paul meets James the brother of Christ, Peter and John
as his evidence. As one of the very first chronological writings of the NT
around the early to middle 50's; Paul opens a window to the people and
events and thinking some 20 years after Christ in this letter; including
people who knew Him directly. He mentions Barnabas who is also mentioned in
other of his letters as a missionary folllower of his. He ties the current
discussion of theology he had learned from the apostles above to the
prophets of the OT. Paulin this letter has the Crucifixion at the core of
his theological discussion as to Christ's life and death and teaching.
>Paul didn't "express" the core of Christian theology, rather he invented a
>lot of it himself.
core christian theology is missing? Then have a go at the evidence of the
"invented" bit above; and what part is His and what not in the letter to
that end.
>Jesus certainly didn't have anything to do with it.
in the letter being discussed.
servant
Jan 25, 2023, 7:27:22 PMJan 25
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Following the evidence provided by an atheist scolar asserting the
historical reality of the Crucifixion event in the NT, one fundimentalist
atheist want's some clarification and has a go at his supporting evidence
for his question.
>Why can't you see that doesn't matter? Jesus was a nut case. You can
>derive nothing by establishing that your silly myth was based on the
>existence of a real person. Zeus too may have been based on a real
>person. But the mythical Zeus doesn't exist and neither does Jesus.
Good golly miss molly, why didn't someone tell me about this earth shaking
new evidence before? I must write that atheist scholar at once that he
might know the error of his ways and amend them.
historical reality of the Crucifixion event in the NT, one fundimentalist
atheist want's some clarification and has a go at his supporting evidence
for his question.
>Why can't you see that doesn't matter? Jesus was a nut case. You can
>derive nothing by establishing that your silly myth was based on the
>existence of a real person. Zeus too may have been based on a real
>person. But the mythical Zeus doesn't exist and neither does Jesus.
new evidence before? I must write that atheist scholar at once that he
might know the error of his ways and amend them.
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 7:48:27 PMJan 25
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than you do. And you're asking me to tell you what Christian
doctrines aren't included in Paul's letter to the Galatians? Are you
really that stupid?
Among many others, neither Paul, Peter, nor James believed Jesus was
God. That's huge, I'd say. And if you think Jesus believed in the
later christer bullshit, cite chapter and verse.
And stop saying Ehrman speaks of "evidence Christ existed". Christ
never existed. Jesus was the real guy the christers claim founded
Christianity but he did no such thing. If you want to cite scholarly
conclusions, then read why they come to those conclusions. But you
won't because they also prove your religion to be utter bullshit.
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 7:49:17 PMJan 25
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Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 7:51:54 PMJan 25
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On 26 Jan 2023 00:08:10 GMT, servant wrote:
you really that biblically illiterate?
Dr. Who
Jan 25, 2023, 8:22:38 PMJan 25
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On Jan 25, 2023, Ted wrote
(in article<almarsoft.2477...@news.easynews.com>):
> Paul didn't "express" the core of Christian theology, rather he
> invented a lot of it himself. Jesus certainly didn't have anything to
> do with it.
“For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the
revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Gal 1:12, KJV)
He was three years in the desert, learning and being instructed,
“But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and
called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him
among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither
went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into
Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to
Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the
apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. Now the things which I
write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.” (Gal 1:15-20, KJV)
(in article<almarsoft.2477...@news.easynews.com>):
> Paul didn't "express" the core of Christian theology, rather he
> invented a lot of it himself. Jesus certainly didn't have anything to
> do with it.
revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Gal 1:12, KJV)
He was three years in the desert, learning and being instructed,
“But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and
called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him
among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither
went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into
Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to
Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the
apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother. Now the things which I
write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.” (Gal 1:15-20, KJV)
Ted
Jan 25, 2023, 8:33:50 PMJan 25
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:22:34 -0800, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
wrote:
Thanks for sharing that, Robert. I'd begun to worry that you'd
stopped speaking to me. Yes, in Paul's opinion, he got all his info
from Jesus.
Btw, that passage in Galatians contradicts what Luke says about Paul
in Acts.
wrote:
stopped speaking to me. Yes, in Paul's opinion, he got all his info
from Jesus.
Btw, that passage in Galatians contradicts what Luke says about Paul
in Acts.
Dr. Who
Jan 25, 2023, 9:11:01 PMJan 25
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On Jan 25, 2023, Ted wrote
(in article<almarsoft.8463...@news.easynews.com>):
It was not Paul’s "opinion”. Anymore that the words Jesus spoke, his.
>
> Btw, that passage in Galatians contradicts what Luke says about Paul
> in Acts.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 25, 2023, 9:17:25 PMJan 25
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servant wrote in news:63d1c8e5$0$2227$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu:
> Following the evidence provided by an atheist scolar asserting the
> historical reality of the Crucifixion event in the NT,
What historical evidence?
> Following the evidence provided by an atheist scolar asserting the
> historical reality of the Crucifixion event in the NT,
Ted
Jan 26, 2023, 8:51:17 PMJan 26
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 18:10:56 -0800, Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb>
LOL. It doesn't surprise me that you have an explanation for it,
Robert. Your skills as an apologist are very impressive. I've never
before met anybody even nearly as good as you.
Robert. Your skills as an apologist are very impressive. I've never
before met anybody even nearly as good as you.
Dr. Who
Jan 26, 2023, 9:34:14 PMJan 26
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On Jan 26, 2023, Ted wrote
(in article<almarsoft.3211...@news.easynews.com>):
Thanks for the kind words, but I scanned Luke before I replied just to be
sure. I would never consider myself an apologist as I study His words daily.
Learning new things almost all the time. I do trust the Heavenly Father via
the Holy Spirit to show and enlighten me. There is so much to learn and I am
just barely peeping over the edges it is so vast.
(in article<almarsoft.3211...@news.easynews.com>):
sure. I would never consider myself an apologist as I study His words daily.
Learning new things almost all the time. I do trust the Heavenly Father via
the Holy Spirit to show and enlighten me. There is so much to learn and I am
just barely peeping over the edges it is so vast.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 26, 2023, 10:02:55 PMJan 26
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
news:tqvd6u$1e5gl$1...@dont-email.me:
> I do trust the
> Heavenly Father via the Holy Spirit to show and enlighten me.
That explains a lot.
news:tqvd6u$1e5gl$1...@dont-email.me:
> I do trust the
> Heavenly Father via the Holy Spirit to show and enlighten me.
Dr. Who
Jan 26, 2023, 11:23:46 PMJan 26
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On Jan 26, 2023, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsAF98D4579758F...@69.80.101.55>):
Yet you have forgotten that I also do as scripture instructs us.
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of
God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” (1Jn 4:1,
KJV)
God establishes checks and boundaries. Thus what is of the Lord is also
backed up in His words, the Scriptures.
(in article<XnsAF98D4579758F...@69.80.101.55>):
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of
God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” (1Jn 4:1,
KJV)
God establishes checks and boundaries. Thus what is of the Lord is also
backed up in His words, the Scriptures.
Dr. Who
Jan 27, 2023, 3:07:59 AMJan 27
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Throne of the Heavenly Father made possible through Jesus the Christ.
Therefore this is the norm, positionally, of those who walk and trust in him.
I should have made that clear in my last reply.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 27, 2023, 8:55:02 AMJan 27
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Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
news:tqvjkd$1hq0t$1...@dont-email.me:
Christians who are slaves should give their
masters full respect so that the name of God and
his teaching will not be shamed. If your master
is a Christian, that is no excuse for being
disrespectful.
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Dr. Who
Jan 27, 2023, 11:48:26 AMJan 27
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On Jan 27, 2023, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsAF994EC32605B...@69.80.101.58>):
> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
> news:tqvjkd$1hq0t$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> > On Jan 26, 2023, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsAF98D4579758F...@69.80.101.55>):
> >
> > > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
> > > news:tqvd6u$1e5gl$1...@dont-email.me:
> > >
> > > > I do trust the
> > > > Heavenly Father via the Holy Spirit to show and enlighten me.
> > >
> > > That explains a lot.
> >
> > Yet you have forgotten that I also do as scripture instructs us.
> >
> > “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they
> > are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the
> > world.” (1Jn 4:1, KJV)
> >
> > God establishes checks and boundaries. Thus what is of the Lord is
> > also backed up in His words, the Scriptures.
>
> Scripture also instructs us:
>
> Christians who are slaves should give their
> masters full respect so that the name of God and
> his teaching will not be shamed. If your master
> is a Christian, that is no excuse for being
> disrespectful.
> 1 Timothy 6:1-2
That is correct.
“Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy
of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And
they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are
brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved,
partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.” (1Ti 6:1-2, KJV)
Slavery was the culture of that day. It was also the way that many were
“employed” Some willingly, others not by their choice. In today’s time
working for others is no different other than you are typically not fed, nor
housed.
Some people of today in America think it is their right to get paid by an
employer without regards to their productivity, role reversal, the boss is
the slave to their demands, with benefits. Thankless unholy people, as
prophesied in scripture.
There is slavery going on in many areas of the world today. Even in America
there is a form of slavery in that illegal migrants and many of those on
welfare have enslaved you to work for them. Think about it.
(in article<XnsAF994EC32605B...@69.80.101.58>):
> Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
> news:tqvjkd$1hq0t$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> > On Jan 26, 2023, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsAF98D4579758F...@69.80.101.55>):
> >
> > > Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
> > > news:tqvd6u$1e5gl$1...@dont-email.me:
> > >
> > > > I do trust the
> > > > Heavenly Father via the Holy Spirit to show and enlighten me.
> > >
> > > That explains a lot.
> >
> > Yet you have forgotten that I also do as scripture instructs us.
> >
> > “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they
> > are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the
> > world.” (1Jn 4:1, KJV)
> >
> > God establishes checks and boundaries. Thus what is of the Lord is
> > also backed up in His words, the Scriptures.
>
> Scripture also instructs us:
>
> Christians who are slaves should give their
> masters full respect so that the name of God and
> his teaching will not be shamed. If your master
> is a Christian, that is no excuse for being
> disrespectful.
> 1 Timothy 6:1-2
“Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy
of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And
they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are
brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved,
partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.” (1Ti 6:1-2, KJV)
Slavery was the culture of that day. It was also the way that many were
“employed” Some willingly, others not by their choice. In today’s time
working for others is no different other than you are typically not fed, nor
housed.
Some people of today in America think it is their right to get paid by an
employer without regards to their productivity, role reversal, the boss is
the slave to their demands, with benefits. Thankless unholy people, as
prophesied in scripture.
There is slavery going on in many areas of the world today. Even in America
there is a form of slavery in that illegal migrants and many of those on
welfare have enslaved you to work for them. Think about it.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 27, 2023, 1:51:47 PMJan 27
to
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
news:tr0v8m$1ovg2$1...@dont-email.me:
animal sacfrifices but Jesus put a
stop to them. Why was slavery left
alone?
> It was also the way that many
> were “employed” Some willingly, others not by their choice. In
> today’s time working for others is no different other than you are
> typically not fed, nor housed.
to death, as compared to Biblical slavery.
The two are not camparable.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with
a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he
shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives
for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since
the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:20-21
>
> Some people of today in America think it is their right to get paid by
> an employer without regards to their productivity, role reversal, the
> boss is the slave to their demands, with benefits. Thankless unholy
> people, as prophesied in scripture.
>
> There is slavery going on in many areas of the world today. Even in
> America there is a form of slavery in that illegal migrants and many
> of those on welfare have enslaved you to work for them. Think about
> it.
Who is being enslaved here?
Dr. Who
Jan 27, 2023, 2:13:27 PMJan 27
to
On Jan 27, 2023, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsAF998113D3F8n...@69.80.101.54>):
>
>
> > It was also the way that many
> > were “employed” Some willingly, others not by their choice. In
> > today’s time working for others is no different other than you are
> > typically not fed, nor housed.
>
> No one today can beat their workers
> to death, as compared to Biblical slavery.
> The two are not camparable.
What makes you think they could lawfully beat them to death, even then?
>
> > It was also the way that many
> > were “employed” Some willingly, others not by their choice. In
> > today’s time working for others is no different other than you are
> > typically not fed, nor housed.
>
> No one today can beat their workers
> to death, as compared to Biblical slavery.
> The two are not camparable.
>
>
> When a man strikes his male or female slave with
> a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he
> shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives
> for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since
> the slave is his own property.
> Exodus 21:20-21
There is nothing there that mentions a beating. And if by their owners hand a
>
> When a man strikes his male or female slave with
> a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he
> shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives
> for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since
> the slave is his own property.
> Exodus 21:20-21
slave died, where is it legally justified?
The Egyptian slave drivers would beat their slaves on occasion, yet use a
little common sense. Ok? If anyones slave was unfit to work how would that
benefit the slave owner?
>
> > Some people of today in America think it is their right to get paid by
> > an employer without regards to their productivity, role reversal, the
> > boss is the slave to their demands, with benefits. Thankless unholy
> > people, as prophesied in scripture.
>
> Is that rant about the minimum wage?
Not at all. Would you like examples of it? Like twitter employees who
> > Some people of today in America think it is their right to get paid by
> > an employer without regards to their productivity, role reversal, the
> > boss is the slave to their demands, with benefits. Thankless unholy
> > people, as prophesied in scripture.
>
> Is that rant about the minimum wage?
performed very little and look at all their benefits, upper end pay scales,
free food, etc.This is prevalent for todays time in many industries. And no
one but the responsible needy will take a physical laborious job for any
length of time
>
>
> >
> > There is slavery going on in many areas of the world today. Even in
> > America there is a form of slavery in that illegal migrants and many
> > of those on welfare have enslaved you to work for them. Think about
> > it.
>
> Huh?
>
> Who is being enslaved here?
Are you honestly that socially illiterate?
>
> >
> > There is slavery going on in many areas of the world today. Even in
> > America there is a form of slavery in that illegal migrants and many
> > of those on welfare have enslaved you to work for them. Think about
> > it.
>
> Huh?
>
> Who is being enslaved here?
Mitchell Holman
Jan 27, 2023, 9:37:54 PMJan 27
to
Dr. Who <dr....@biosphere.orb> wrote in
news:tr17oj$1qebb$2...@dont-email.me:
Ten Commandments. Leviticus could have
ended it with the list of "abominations".
Jesus could have ended it any time.
Slavery was "the culture of the day"
because your religion approved of it.
>>
>> > It was also the way that many
>> > were “employed” Some willingly, others not by their choice. In
>> > today’s time working for others is no different other than you
>> > are typically not fed, nor housed.
>>
>> No one today can beat their workers
>> to death, as compared to Biblical slavery.
>> The two are not camparable.
>
> What makes you think they could lawfully beat them to death, even
> then?
>>
>>
>> When a man strikes his male or female slave with
>> a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he
>> shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives
>> for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since
>> the slave is his own property.
>> Exodus 21:20-21
>
> There is nothing there that mentions a beating. And if by their owners
> hand a slave died, where is it legally justified?
>
> The Egyptian slave drivers would beat their slaves on occasion, yet
> use a little common sense. Ok? If anyones slave was unfit to work how
> would that benefit the slave owner?
killing a slave, obviuosly it was a common
enough practice.
>>
>> > Some people of today in America think it is their right to get paid
>> > by an employer without regards to their productivity, role
>> > reversal, the boss is the slave to their demands, with benefits.
>> > Thankless unholy people, as prophesied in scripture.
>>
>> Is that rant about the minimum wage?
>
> Not at all. Would you like examples of it? Like twitter employees who
> performed very little and look at all their benefits, upper end pay
> scales, free food, etc.This is prevalent for todays time in many
> industries. And no one but the responsible needy will take a physical
> laborious job for any length of time
on an oil rig or a dairy farm or framing
houses. Hard, phyiscal jobs many intelligent
people make a career of. The "responsible needy"?
>> > There is slavery going on in many areas of the world today. Even in
>> > America there is a form of slavery in that illegal migrants and
>> > many of those on welfare have enslaved you to work for them. Think
>> > about it.
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Who is being enslaved here?
>
> Are you honestly that socially illiterate?
"many of those on welfare have enslaved you to work for them"
Dr. Who
Jan 27, 2023, 11:43:04 PMJan 27