Heterophobia is just as common as Homophobia
Newton's Cat
behave "inappropriately" is similar to the percentage of heterosexuals
who are homophobic and behave "inappropriately".
Until the homosexuals community "opens-up" and publically denounces
heterophobia the 50% of the British public who have "reservations"
about homosexuality will not be persuaded to change their viewpoint.
Are you all blind? deaf? Inable to think?
Society being dominated by heterophobics?
Like Peter Mandelson - for instance.
'American Beauty' - such a wonderful film - eh?
Newton's Cat
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Len Seven
>The percentage of homosexuals who are heterophobic and
>behave "inappropriately" is similar to the percentage of heterosexuals
>who are homophobic and behave "inappropriately".
>
I sez:
The coined phrase I'm familiar with is heterodominant. The notion that all
heterosexuals think they are better than homosexuals. To my knowledge, no one
in the gay community ever did anything close to what a couple homophobes did to
Matthew Shepard. What I'm saying is there probably are heterodominant people,
but compared to all the hate crimes involving homosexuality, the effort isn't
important, because I doubt society will be ruled by them. Living in the San
Francisco bay area, I have no knowledge of any heterodominants, although many
gay men I know abhor women for some reason.
--
Len Seven
"Hold me closer, Tony Danza." -Elton John.
Gregory Gadow
> The percentage of homosexuals who are heterophobic and
> behave "inappropriately" is similar to the percentage of heterosexuals
> who are homophobic and behave "inappropriately".
And of course you can back this claim up with appropriate statistics? Or
are you going to pull a "God exists, so there!" and then (pardon the
expression) bugger out?
> Until the homosexuals community "opens-up" and publically denounces
> heterophobia the 50% of the British public who have "reservations"
> about homosexuality will not be persuaded to change their viewpoint.
When those reservations (at least in the US, where I live) are used as an
exuse to discriminate in my employment, to prohibit me from legally
protecting my family, to make me fear walking down the street and to
excuse the murder of my friends and community... I will continue to
denouce those who have "reservations" about homosexuality.
> Are you all blind? deaf? Inable to think?
No one is so blind, deaf and unable to think as a bigot such as yourself.
> Society being dominated by heterophobics?
How? Who? Please back this claim up.
> Like Peter Mandelson - for instance.
>
> 'American Beauty' - such a wonderful film - eh?
THAT is your evidence? Puh-leeze. I would be unhappy to send you a list of
a dozen movies and television shows where the gleeful assault and even
murder of a gay person demonstrated the moral uprightness of the central
character.
--
Gregory Gadow
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"Our doubts are traitors,
And make us lose the good we oft might win,
By fearing to attempt"
-- William Shakespeare, Measure for Measure
Patrick Gliddon
This Homosexual Obsession on the part of Miss Kitty is rather painful
to watch, yes? Perhaps understandable, given the early childhood
trauma he experienced, but painful nonetheless, rather like a seeing a
severely beaten cat on the other side of a large river. You can't
help it, but can't help but feel compassion for the poor little thing.
Patrick Gliddon
GCU Unwarranted Optimist
The tides of history are unforgiving.
All sandcastles will be washed away.
Emi Melissa Briet
> Until the homosexuals community "opens-up" and publically denounces
> heterophobia the 50% of the British public who have "reservations"
> about homosexuality will not be persuaded to change their viewpoint.
Want to see a true heterophobe (and transphobe, btw)
Go to Deja and search newsgroup alt.support.srs for the name "Jim
Fouratt" *heh* ;)
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Martin Thomas
> The percentage of homosexuals who are heterophobic and
> behave "inappropriately" is similar to the percentage of heterosexuals
> who are homophobic and behave "inappropriately".
I do not know if that is true, but it hardly matters if it is. I have
never been assaulted, threatened or discriminated in any way as a
result of being attracted to women. There probably are cases of such
discrimination - which need to be dealt with - but they must be pretty
rare. After all, there are sections of the media who do not like
homosexuals at all, even if they do not often say so as bluntly as
they did a few years ago. I am sure that they would give much
publicity to any such anti heterosexual discrimination.
> Until the homosexuals community "opens-up" and publically denounces
> heterophobia the 50% of the British public who have "reservations"
> about homosexuality will not be persuaded to change their viewpoint.
Why should they denounce something so insignificant?
> Are you all blind? deaf? Inable to think?
>
> Society being dominated by heterophobics?
How many actual cases where heterosexuals have been discriminated
against do you know of?
> Like Peter Mandelson - for instance.
>
> 'American Beauty' - such a wonderful film - eh?
I thought it was. :)
** Martin Thomas **
What does not kill me makes me stronger - Nietzsche
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Newton's Cat
A heterophobic homosexual is in a work environment. He is in a position
of authority.
Whenever he is in communication with others he tends to "exaggerate"
his sexuality. He frowns at manifestations of heterosexual banter and
body language. He has a habit of interrupting at crucial points in
heterosexuals' communication with each other. His use of language is
almost an art form - having a subtly disruptive effect upon those over
whom he has authority.
As he walks through the streets his mind is constantly noting that
which he finds "annoying" in the behaviour of the straight populace.
When he is relaxing in the company of his fellows he "overdoes" his
sexual orientation. If he is participating in public festivities he can
be a startling exhibitionist.
One day, as he passes a group of people in the street they take
exception to him - and he ends up in hospital.
Heterophobia generates homophobic responses.
I can see it all happening - apparently most people can't.
Frank Wustner
> Heterophobia
> A heterophobic homosexual is in a work environment. He is in a position
> of authority.
Uh huh. Yeah. Right. And if he is, what do you think his chances are
of keeping that position if he abuses it? If you say anything other
than *zero*, you don't know how business works these days.
> Whenever he is in communication with others he tends to "exaggerate"
> his sexuality. He frowns at manifestations of heterosexual banter and
> body language. He has a habit of interrupting at crucial points in
> heterosexuals' communication with each other. His use of language is
> almost an art form - having a subtly disruptive effect upon those over
> whom he has authority.
> As he walks through the streets his mind is constantly noting that
> which he finds "annoying" in the behaviour of the straight populace.
> When he is relaxing in the company of his fellows he "overdoes" his
> sexual orientation. If he is participating in public festivities he can
> be a startling exhibitionist.
> One day, as he passes a group of people in the street they take
> exception to him - and he ends up in hospital.
And this elaborate hypothetical should mean what to me?
> Heterophobia generates homophobic responses.
> I can see it all happening - apparently most people can't.
Please excuse me while I scoff at you. I do not believe that you have
*EVER* seen this happen. I believe that this entire story of yours is
100% fiction.
Furthermore, even if it is 100% true, none of that excuses violence
against queers. Period.
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coined by Foucault (who used honeymoon as an example!). But if you have
a look at the mass media and the predominant representation of
relationships, heterosexuality is still very much the "norm".
"Segregation" by choice by the queer community is partly a self-
defensive measure against homophobia. Ofcourse, I wouldn't rule out
homosexual or lesbian "extremists", but I would also argue that the
radical perspective which they harbour is formed from the perception
and treatment of the general society regarding homosexuality. Most
commonly, homosexuality and lesbianism are fetished as some sort of
public entertainment for a heterosexual audience (how many times have
you heard about the "straight" man's fantasies about lesbian sex?).
If a more interactive (hmm, bad choice of word... but it'll do) social
context is to be realised between people of all sexual persuasions, we
need to lose the stereotypes, the prejudices, and the fetishisation of
the homosexual and lesbian community.
Well, now I'm meant to tell everyone to hold hands and sing...
best regards,
Joyce
In article <930r88$cjf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Newton's Cat <newto...@my-deja.com> wrote:
kirstinn
> I can see it all happening - apparently most people can't.
nope - most people can't hear those little voices, either....
--
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Whenever a politician or a business has no justification for
their actions, they say it's either to avoid raising prices,
or they're doing it to protect the children.
Puck Greenman
For bigotry, if not for being English.
PLONK
Newton's Cat
2ivfikh.dialup.mindspring.com>,
violent against gays because they are "afraid of their latent
homosexuality" - that's all a load of bullshit. Homophobia has its
origins in the behaviour of a section of the gay community.
If you were to get a group of gay-bashing louts in a studio with non-
heterophobic gays who would admit that there are "not a few" gays who
are a "problem", whose behaviour is "out of order" then the "louts"
would demonstrate that they are not really against gays because of
their sexual practices but because of they way at lot of them behave.
Zzsss! Why can't we have some intelligent conversation about this? Are
you all in denial or are you engaging in political pragmatism?
Newton's Cat
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Newton's Cat
kirstinn <kirs...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <933f1j$jok$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Newton's Cat <newto...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > Heterophobia
>
> > I can see it all happening - apparently most people can't.
>
> nope - most people can't hear those little voices, either....
>
That's what they (do heterophobic ones) do!
Why do I bother?
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented s Cat
broadcast on alt.atheism:
sC> I'm totally non-violent - don't believe in violence. Heteros are
sC> not violent against gays because they are "afraid of their latent
sC> homosexuality" - that's all a load of bullshit. Homophobia has its
sC> origins in the behaviour of a section of the gay community.
Oh this sounds familiar. "I'm not a racist. If black people weren't
so bad, no one would mind them."
sC> If you were to get a group of gay-bashing louts in a studio with
sC> non- heterophobic gays who would admit that there are "not a few"
sC> gays who are a "problem", whose behaviour is "out of order" then
sC> the "louts" would demonstrate that they are not really against
sC> gays because of their sexual practices but because of they way at
sC> lot of them behave.
All you want is everyone back in the closet! If gay people don't try
to act like straight people, it really bugs you. And of course
straight pricks are no problem - they are just acting normal.
--
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Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer
Frank Wustner
> I'm totally non-violent - don't believe in violence. Heteros are not
> violent against gays because they are "afraid of their latent
> homosexuality" - that's all a load of bullshit. Homophobia has its
> origins in the behaviour of a section of the gay community.
Lars mentioned that this sounds like "I'm not racist. Black people
provoke it." Another thing it sounds like is "That bitch deserved to
be raped. She was wearing a short skirt."
No excuse, Newton.
> If you were to get a group of gay-bashing louts in a studio with non-
> heterophobic gays who would admit that there are "not a few" gays who
> are a "problem", whose behaviour is "out of order" then the "louts"
> would demonstrate that they are not really against gays because of
> their sexual practices but because of they way at lot of them behave.
If the above is true, then kindly explain why otherwise "normal" gays
are *also* victims of homophobia.
> Zzsss! Why can't we have some intelligent conversation about this? Are
> you all in denial or are you engaging in political pragmatism?
News flash, Newton. Not buying into your propeganda is not the same
as being in denial. Pop your ego a bit, child.
--
Frank Wustner
> > > Heterophobia
> > > I can see it all happening - apparently most people can't.
> > nope - most people can't hear those little voices, either....
> 'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman ...'
> That's what they (do heterophobic ones) do!
Remembering, for the moment, that you haven't actually proven any of
it. That's why I'm not a christian, and that's why I don't believe
you. *NO PROOF*.
> Why do I bother?
*My* guess is that you want to convince us of your homophobic agenda.
What's *your* guess, Newton?
Newton's Cat
2ivfk93.dialup.mindspring.com>,
see...@for.email.org (Frank Wustner) wrote:
> Newton's Cat <newto...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > kirstinn <kirs...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > Newton's Cat <newto...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Heterophobia
> > > > I can see it all happening - apparently most people can't.
>
> > > nope - most people can't hear those little voices, either....
>
> > 'And I will put enmity between thee and the woman ...'
> > That's what they (do heterophobic ones) do!
>
> Remembering, for the moment, that you haven't actually proven any of
> it. That's why I'm not a christian, and that's why I don't believe
> you. *NO PROOF*.
>
> > Why do I bother?
>
> *My* guess is that you want to convince us of your homophobic agenda.
> What's *your* guess, Newton?
>
Here's a story for you:
I was walking through Hampstead with a couple of my gay friends
discussing the attitude of gays towards woman. One of them said that he
would like to able to form sexual relationships with women but whenever
he tried having sex with them as soon as penetration began experienced
an uncontrollable fear and could not continue. The other said that he
had absolutely no problems getting women into bed. He demonstrated his
abilities by walking up to a good looking woman who was passing by and
giving her a "passionate" kiss. Most impressive. He explained that he
needed the "challenge" of seducing reluctant males. That was why he
preferred homosexuality.
Would you like to know more?
My gay friends are honest - they don't bleat on about "gay rights".
Mind you - they would probably have a different view if they lived in
an overtly homophobic community, as is often the case in rural areas.
Newton's Cat
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Patrick Gliddon
Weird friends, dude.
Newton's Cat
Lars Eighner <eig...@io.com> wrote:
> In our last episode, <933sth$u2o$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> the lovely and talented s Cat
> broadcast on alt.atheism:
>
> sC> I'm totally non-violent - don't believe in violence. Heteros are
> sC> not violent against gays because they are "afraid of their latent
> sC> homosexuality" - that's all a load of bullshit. Homophobia has its
> sC> origins in the behaviour of a section of the gay community.
>
> Oh this sounds familiar. "I'm not a racist. If black people weren't
> so bad, no one would mind them."
>
the "people of colour" that it is necessary for a section of their
community to behave itself? Is there not?
> sC> If you were to get a group of gay-bashing louts in a studio with
> sC> non- heterophobic gays who would admit that there are "not a few"
> sC> gays who are a "problem", whose behaviour is "out of order" then
> sC> the "louts" would demonstrate that they are not really against
> sC> gays because of their sexual practices but because of they way at
> sC> lot of them behave.
>
> All you want is everyone back in the closet! If gay people don't try
> to act like straight people, it really bugs you. And of course
> straight pricks are no problem - they are just acting normal.
>
I am talking about those gays who DELIBERATELY EXAGGERATE the SEXUAL
aspects of their personalities when engaging in "normal" human
communication. Some form of NARCISSISM? Eh? Is that what you mean
by "coming out of the closet"?
> --
> Lars Eighner eig...@io.com
http://www.io.com/~eighner/
> Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer
>
Newton's Cat
2ivfk93.dialup.mindspring.com>,
see...@for.email.org (Frank Wustner) wrote:
> Newton's Cat <newto...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm totally non-violent - don't believe in violence. Heteros are not
> > violent against gays because they are "afraid of their latent
> > homosexuality" - that's all a load of bullshit. Homophobia has its
> > origins in the behaviour of a section of the gay community.
>
> Lars mentioned that this sounds like "I'm not racist. Black people
> provoke it." Another thing it sounds like is "That bitch deserved to
> be raped. She was wearing a short skirt."
>
like some of them - is wrong? Eh?
When I wrote "homophobia has its origins in the behaviour of a section
of gay community" I was deliberately trying to provoke the response I
got. I have a LOT of gay friends! Most of them agree with me - THEY
don't like a section of the gay community. THEY don't want them as
their leaders! I associate with HONEST gays - including those who are
well-aware that their orientation is not their natural sexuality but
have chosen to continue being gay because they realise that any attempt
to overcome their childhood experiences would result in years of
emotional turmoil.
Some people fear that gays are trying to "take over the language" - you
know? Use of homosexual symbolism is children's television programs,
and so on?
Perhaps certain gays would like to walk the streets and see the
majority of the populace as gay? Switch on their televisions and see -
gays? Listen to the politicians - and hear gays? Maybe some gays want
to be like the very people they accuse of being homophobic?
Prejudice is the "engine the runs the world" - gays are no better than
the rest of us. Gays should stop trying to convince the world that
their consciousness is "a cut above" the rest of us!
> No excuse, Newton.
>
> > If you were to get a group of gay-bashing louts in a studio with
non-
> > heterophobic gays who would admit that there are "not a few" gays
who
> > are a "problem", whose behaviour is "out of order" then the "louts"
> > would demonstrate that they are not really against gays because of
> > their sexual practices but because of they way at lot of them
behave.
>
> If the above is true, then kindly explain why otherwise "normal" gays
> are *also* victims of homophobia.
>
> > Zzsss! Why can't we have some intelligent conversation about this?
Are
> > you all in denial or are you engaging in political pragmatism?
>
> News flash, Newton. Not buying into your propeganda is not the same
> as being in denial. Pop your ego a bit, child.
>
Hmm: pro-PEG-anda. Something shaped like a penis? Eh?
Ha! ha! Very good!
Keep your spine straight. Norwegian woodland scenery. Please stop
sniping at me?
I'm not in love with one-eyed dwarves!
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Newton's Cat
remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) wrote:
> In article <936bcs$5u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Newton's Cat <newtonscat@my-
Apparently Boy george has said that when he thinks of vaginas images of
spiders come into his mind. Honesty! - I admire the man.
"Filthy female cunts!"
Newton's Cat
>
> Patrick Gliddon
> GCU Unwarranted Optimist
>
> The tides of history are unforgiving.
> All sandcastles will be washed away.
>
Frank Wustner
> Here's a story for you:
If you are going to try the personal story tactic, you should learn
from the christians. They use it all the time, and they do a better
job than you have. For one thing, their stories always have obvious
connections to the topic at hand.
> I was walking through Hampstead with a couple of my gay friends
> discussing the attitude of gays towards woman. One of them said that he
> would like to able to form sexual relationships with women but whenever
> he tried having sex with them as soon as penetration began experienced
> an uncontrollable fear and could not continue. The other said that he
> had absolutely no problems getting women into bed. He demonstrated his
> abilities by walking up to a good looking woman who was passing by and
> giving her a "passionate" kiss. Most impressive. He explained that he
> needed the "challenge" of seducing reluctant males. That was why he
> preferred homosexuality.
Good for them. So what?
> Would you like to know more?
Yes. I would like to know what that has to do with anything. Gays do
not deserve violence against them, yet they still suffer from it. Your
story does not change that.
Are you saying that you would not consider them your friends or would
not sympathise with them if they were "overtly" gay? If yes, that says
more about you than it does about them.
I can't figure out what else you might be trying to say.
> My gay friends are honest - they don't bleat on about "gay rights".
> Mind you - they would probably have a different view if they lived in
> an overtly homophobic community, as is often the case in rural areas.
Again, so what? Matt Shepard didn't bleat about gay rights either.
Look what happened to him just because he flirted with some guys who
were pretending to hit on him.
Newton's Cat
2ivflf8.dialup.mindspring.com>,
I knew Denis Nilsen. A very "kind" man. I looked into his eyes - then I
turned to my friend and quietly said: 'Thare is something about this
man. Do not go with him.' My friend is still alive. How many young men
accepted his kindly invitations - no-one really knows?
I am being told that any description of the "dark" foibles of the world
of homosexuality is not "politically correct" - because it serves to
provoke homophobia. However, homosexuals write books and make films
depicting heterosexuals as violent and dysfunctional. The author
of 'American Dream' was a homosexual. It is extra-ordinary how the
heteros lapped it up.
Newton's Cat
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Patrick Gliddon
You're a serious nutcase, you know that, don't you?
Newton's Cat
remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) wrote:
> In article <9386o3$asb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Newton's Cat <newtonscat@my-
Psychotics have "no insight into their condition" - how would I know?
> Patrick Gliddon
> GCU Unwarranted Optimist
>
> The tides of history are unforgiving.
> All sandcastles will be washed away.
>
ClaySkye
remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>You're a serious nutcase, you know that, don't you?
He probably doesn't. He is seriously disturbed and, chances are, a habitual
liar. Don't put too much into anything he says.
ClayeSkye
#4 (Head of EAC Department of Education/Reeducation)
I still believe that I cannot be saved-Smashing Pumpkins
"I can't stand here and argue with your biblical rhetoric."-Agent Mulder,
Miracle Man
Newton's Cat
clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye) wrote:
> In article <g5O56.7118$JT5.3...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>
> >You're a serious nutcase, you know that, don't you?
>
> He probably doesn't. He is seriously disturbed and, chances are, a
habitual
> liar. Don't put too much into anything he says.
>
> ClayeSkye
Nilsen was a very confident man. He knew what he wanted.
> #4 (Head of EAC Department of Education/Reeducation)
> I still believe that I cannot be saved-Smashing Pumpkins
> "I can't stand here and argue with your biblical rhetoric."-Agent
Mulder,
> Miracle Man
>
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented s Cat
broadcast on alt.atheism:
sC> I am talking about those gays who DELIBERATELY EXAGGERATE the
sC> SEXUAL aspects of their personalities when engaging in "normal"
sC> human communication. Some form of NARCISSISM? Eh? Is that what you
sC> mean by "coming out of the closet"?
As a fish is the last to discover water, you are blind to the sexual
aspects of hets' personality because you are surrounded by it all the
time. I have never seen a gay person act out sexually so much as
straight people do - and no one seems to notice when straight people
do.
What you want is for gay people to act just like straight people -
but acting just like straight people means acting out heterosexually.
You are like a dog complaining that a cat won't bark - it just meows.
You see a woman leaving for work at 7 a.m. with her face painted up
like a neon tetra - and you see nothing wrong with that. But you
see a woman wearing comfortable, practical shoes and you complain
"Why are these lesbians so blatant?" A gay man at work is not going
to stand around the water cooler talking about the female employees'
tits - too bad for you and your sense of normalcy.
Kahuna Burger
: As a fish is the last to discover water, you are blind to the sexual
: aspects of hets' personality because you are surrounded by it all the
: time. I have never seen a gay person act out sexually so much as
: straight people do - and no one seems to notice when straight people
: do.
: What you want is for gay people to act just like straight people -
: but acting just like straight people means acting out heterosexually.
: You are like a dog complaining that a cat won't bark - it just meows.
I really need to eventualy write that editorial for coming out day. I had
this idea years ago that straight people should try spending at least one
day a year "keeping their sexuality to themselves". One day of pretending
that everyone in the world assumes that you are gay, and not letting them
know otherwise. (and it can't be a day where you stay home and maybe go to
the grocery store, you have to engage in social interaction of the type
where a gay person might "flaunt" his or her sexuality.)
If it works for a day, try it for a week. try it for a month. see how long
it takes before you have to lie, or avoid a conversation you'd normally
consider natural, or hurt your SO. Find out how much you take "acting out
sexually" for granted.
Too bad kitty belongs to newton instead of schroedinger. I'd like to lock
him in a box and not hear his "blame the victim" BS anymore.
--
The Big Kahuna Burger Alt.atheist # 1037
\./'\./'\./'\./'\./'\./'\./'\../'\./'\./'\./'\./'\./'\./'\./
Patrick Gliddon
>remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>
>>You're a serious nutcase, you know that, don't you?
>
>He probably doesn't. He is seriously disturbed and, chances are, a habitual
>liar. Don't put too much into anything he says.
Well, I don't, but--Really!
<campy stamping of foot and crossing of arms in a stereotypically
overblown display of homosexual mockery and domination of the
heterosexual around him>
It's just that it's all too typically reminiscent of the Homosexual
Agenda crap, the Evil Atheist Conspiracy crap, the Protocols of the
Elders of Zion crap, and other Great Conspiracy crap.
ClaySkye
remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>In article <20010106223054...@nso-cg.news.cs.com>,
>clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye) wrote:
>>In article <g5O56.7118$JT5.3...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>>remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>>
>>>You're a serious nutcase, you know that, don't you?
>>
>>He probably doesn't. He is seriously disturbed and, chances are, a habitual
>>liar. Don't put too much into anything he says.
>
>Well, I don't, but--Really!
>
><campy stamping of foot and crossing of arms in a stereotypically
>overblown display of homosexual mockery and domination of the
>heterosexual around him>
Don't throw a hissy fit! Seriously, I think he's just here to push buttons.
First he acts upset about the way that these women were talking openly about
sex on the subway or something and then he goes on about free speech.
>It's just that it's all too typically reminiscent of the Homosexual
>Agenda crap, the Evil Atheist Conspiracy crap, the Protocols of the
>Elders of Zion crap, and other Great Conspiracy crap.
>
I know. He gives mental illness a bad name.
The only conspiracy theory I believe in is the DMV. No one can be that dumb
and slow. It must be an organized effort.
ClayeSkye
Patrick Gliddon
>In article <iY066.67099$f36.3...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>
>>In article <20010106223054...@nso-cg.news.cs.com>,
>>clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye) wrote:
>>>In article <g5O56.7118$JT5.3...@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>>>remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>>>
>>>>You're a serious nutcase, you know that, don't you?
>>>
>>>He probably doesn't. He is seriously disturbed and, chances are, a habitual
>>>liar. Don't put too much into anything he says.
>>
>>Well, I don't, but--Really!
>>
>><campy stamping of foot and crossing of arms in a stereotypically
>>overblown display of homosexual mockery and domination of the
>>heterosexual around him>
>
>Don't throw a hissy fit! Seriously, I think he's just here to push buttons.
>First he acts upset about the way that these women were talking openly about
>sex on the subway or something and then he goes on about free speech.
>
>>It's just that it's all too typically reminiscent of the Homosexual
>>Agenda crap, the Evil Atheist Conspiracy crap, the Protocols of the
>>Elders of Zion crap, and other Great Conspiracy crap.
>>
>
>I know. He gives mental illness a bad name.
>
>The only conspiracy theory I believe in is the DMV. No one can be that dumb
>and slow. It must be an organized effort.
The Department of Motor Vehicles?
Frank Wustner
...yet another irrelevant story.
I give up. You clearly don't care to actually discuss anything. Any
more talking with you would be a waste of my time.
<plonk>
Masked Man
| Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
| Two hands working do more than a thousand clasped in prayer
Masked Man------>The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man
availeth much...
--
Who was that masked man?
ClaySkye
remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>>The only conspiracy theory I believe in is the DMV. No one can be that dumb
>>and slow. It must be an organized effort.
>
>The Department of Motor Vehicles?
>
Yep. They must be playing with us. I can't imagine that much incompetence
occurring naturally.
Liquid Grace
"ClaySkye" <clay...@cs.comStopThat> wrote in message
news:20010109222449...@nso-md.news.cs.com...
> In article <pG566.37147$n%.1783112@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>
> >>The only conspiracy theory I believe in is the DMV. No one can be that
dumb
> >>and slow. It must be an organized effort.
> >
> >The Department of Motor Vehicles?
> >
>
> Yep. They must be playing with us. I can't imagine that much
incompetence
> occurring naturally.
>
>
> ClayeSkye
ROTFL, can you imagine the memo?
TO ALL DMV EMPLOYEES:
Consider this memo to be fair warning...most of you are moving too quickly
and behaving too politely. Just yesterday a group of "mystery victims" were
able to enter the office, conduct business, and leave the office in less
than four hours. Three of the "mystery victims" reported not having been
treated rudely, two reported having been thanked, and one reported having
been wished to "have a nice day." (The person in question has been suspended
without pay while we investigate this aggregious lack of disrespect.)
Management will not tolerate this behavior. Kindly increase your time in
dealing with each customer. Many of you are not taking your 32 assigned
breaks each day. Remember, when it is breaktime, kindly leave your post
just as some poor soul is walking up to your window. Remember, each time
you slam the window in someone's face, we'll award you bounus points in the
monthly drawing!
Remember, if you're rude and abusive, if you're slow and act as though
you're stupid, people will think twice about coming to our office on
superfluous errands. We want to be the place of last resort for our driving
public.
Sincerely,
The Management
Grace
--
"And the knowledge that they fear is a weapon to be held against them."
Neil Peart - Rush - The Weapon
aa#1752 BAWAA!
And, I'll go you one up: I havent invited any strippers to church, either.
Though, I've spent more than one evening talking pleasantly about
spirituality.
So, I stand here accused - a hypocrite in one world, and a reprobate in
another.
The Masked Moron in alt.sex.strip-clubs tells us about his own morality
issues.
http://x51.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=545086885&CONTEXT=979012543.1379
991644&hitnum=347
Patrick Gliddon
Hey...you've been rooting around in my in-tray!
My favourite line they teach us in library school:
"Hello, how may I pretend to help you?"
Al Klein
in alt.atheism:
>In article <pG566.37147$n%.1783112@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>remove-...@this-yahoo.com (Patrick Gliddon) writes:
>>>The only conspiracy theory I believe in is the DMV. No one can be that dumb
>>>and slow. It must be an organized effort.
>>The Department of Motor Vehicles?
>Yep. They must be playing with us. I can't imagine that much incompetence
>occurring naturally.
Here, you just sit and read a book until your number is called. It
still takes quite a long time, sometimes, but it's a nice way to get a
free hour.
--
Al - Unnumbered Atheist #infinity
aklein at villagenet dot com
ClaySkye
Exactly! They copied it from the Post Office who got it from the IRS.