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Dan Fake

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Oct 3, 2001, 9:02:33 PM10/3/01
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Excerpts:

Human Cave Paintings Now Dated as
~30,000 Years Old

Pictures of horses in a cave in Chauvenet, France, have
been dated as being between 29,700 and 32,400 years
old.

When compared to similar art in the Lascaux caves,
dated as 17,000 years old, little variation is seen.

Quote from the article:

The prehistoric cave art found in France and Spain
shows ancient man to be a remarkable artist. When
Pablo Picasso visited the newly-discovered Lascaux
caves, in the Dordogne, in 1940, he emerged from them
saying of modern art, "We have discovered nothing".

Source:

BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1577000/1577421.stm

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Scientists Find Gene Clue to Human Speech

Scientists have discovered the first gene involved in the
development of speech and language.

The discovery of the gene could provide an understanding
of how speech, a unique human characteristic, developed
by comparing the DNA in humans to the same stretch of
DNA in chimpanzees.

The gene, FOXP2, was discovered by studying three gen-
erations of a family affected by a rare language impediment.

Sources:

BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1575000/1575471.stm

CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/10/03/language.gene.ap/index.html

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Bubonic Plague Gene Decoded

The bubonic plague, killer of over 200 million in the 14th
century, still poses a threat to modern humans, but now,
thanks to scientific exploration, the complete genetic
structure of the bacterium responsible has been unveiled.

The bacterium evolved by gaining and losing bits of DNA
around 1,500 years ago.

The breakthrough will help ensure that the black plague
does not reemerge naturally, and that one of the potential
weapons of bio-terrorism can be conquered.

Sources:

BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1576000/1576875.stm

ABC News / Reuters
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/blackdeath011003_wire.html

CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/10/03/plague.gene.ap/index.html

Reference:

CNN - Bubonic Plague Details
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0109/biochem.terrorism/plague.html

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New Birth Control Device

New birth control device?

NuvaRing, inserted once per month, removed after 21
days (just before the start of the menstrual cycle),
releasing estrogen and progestin in lower doses than
that delivered via the pill.

NuvaRing should be about the same price as name-brand
birth control pills, which sell for about $30 a month.

Sources:

ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/contraceptive011003.html

CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/10/03/new.contraception.ap/index.html

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-Dan Fake, Pro-Humanist FREELOVER

FREELOVER? Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness, Verity,
Enlightenment, & Rationality (also, pro-love,
free from state and church authorities) ...

http://danfake.home.att.net

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chib

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Oct 3, 2001, 10:44:49 PM10/3/01
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In article
<JyOu7.34936$3d2.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Dan Fake
<dan...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> ---
> http://freelover.home.att.net/2001/10/03.htm
> ---
>
> Excerpts:
>
> Human Cave Paintings Now Dated as
> ~30,000 Years Old
>
> Pictures of horses in a cave in Chauvenet, France, have
> been dated as being between 29,700 and 32,400 years
> old.
>
> When compared to similar art in the Lascaux caves,
> dated as 17,000 years old, little variation is seen.
>
> Quote from the article:
>
> The prehistoric cave art found in France and Spain
> shows ancient man to be a remarkable artist. When
> Pablo Picasso visited the newly-discovered Lascaux
> caves, in the Dordogne, in 1940, he emerged from them
> saying of modern art, "We have discovered nothing".

Picasso was an asshole.

A great artist, yes. But an asshole nonetheless.

-chib

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Dark Jedi

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Oct 4, 2001, 12:51:43 PM10/4/01
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 19:44:49 -0700, chib <ch...@outreach.com> wrote:

>In article
><JyOu7.34936$3d2.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Dan Fake
><dan...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> ---
>> http://freelover.home.att.net/2001/10/03.htm
>> ---
>>
>> Excerpts:
>>
>> Human Cave Paintings Now Dated as
>> ~30,000 Years Old
>>
>> Pictures of horses in a cave in Chauvenet, France, have
>> been dated as being between 29,700 and 32,400 years
>> old.
>>
>> When compared to similar art in the Lascaux caves,
>> dated as 17,000 years old, little variation is seen.
>>
>> Quote from the article:
>>
>> The prehistoric cave art found in France and Spain
>> shows ancient man to be a remarkable artist. When
>> Pablo Picasso visited the newly-discovered Lascaux
>> caves, in the Dordogne, in 1940, he emerged from them
>> saying of modern art, "We have discovered nothing".
>
>Picasso was an asshole.
>
>A great artist, yes. But an asshole nonetheless.
>
>-chib

Where did you meet him?
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are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination."
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Steve Mading

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Oct 4, 2001, 4:24:28 PM10/4/01
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In talk.atheism Dan Fake <dan...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: ---
: http://freelover.home.att.net/2001/10/03.htm
: ---

: Excerpts:

: Human Cave Paintings Now Dated as
: ~30,000 Years Old

: Pictures of horses in a cave in Chauvenet, France, have
: been dated as being between 29,700 and 32,400 years
: old.

: When compared to similar art in the Lascaux caves,
: dated as 17,000 years old, little variation is seen.

: Quote from the article:

: The prehistoric cave art found in France and Spain
: shows ancient man to be a remarkable artist. When
: Pablo Picasso visited the newly-discovered Lascaux
: caves, in the Dordogne, in 1940, he emerged from them
: saying of modern art, "We have discovered nothing".

In other words, modern art is just as bad as primitive
cave drawings. I'd agree with that.

Robert Templeton

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Oct 4, 2001, 6:43:59 PM10/4/01
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"Steve Mading" <mad...@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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Actually, as an artist of many years and admirer of art, I find the cave
paintings more aesthetic and interesting than most modern art (cubist and
abstract, definitely). Pollock should be ashamed to call himself an
"artist". Art is not just about the release of "emotion" or "energy"; it is
also about the choice and control of the tools and materials in the process.

Robert Templeton


Steve Mading

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Oct 4, 2001, 7:05:25 PM10/4/01
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In talk.atheism Robert Templeton <tem...@vplayground.com> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <mad...@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote in message

Agreed. Plus, modern art of that style fails utterly to even do
what it claims to - release "emotion" or "energy" in the viewer.
If it doesn't *look* like anything I can recognize, then I fail
utterly to receive any sort of emotional impression from it. And
to those who say it is supposed to bring out the emotion of the
viewer himself, I say hogwash - if that was the case then Rorshach
Ink Blots would be art. If the art doesn't actually contribute
anything to the process, such that I'm making up the meaning all
by myself then the art might as well not even be there.


JB

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Oct 4, 2001, 9:20:24 PM10/4/01
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"chib" <ch...@outreach.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <JyOu7.34936$3d2.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Dan Fake
> <dan...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > ---
> > http://freelover.home.att.net/2001/10/03.htm
> > ---
> >
> > Excerpts:
> >
> > Human Cave Paintings Now Dated as
> > ~30,000 Years Old
> >
> > Pictures of horses in a cave in Chauvenet, France, have
> > been dated as being between 29,700 and 32,400 years
> > old.
> >
> > When compared to similar art in the Lascaux caves,
> > dated as 17,000 years old, little variation is seen.
> >
> > Quote from the article:
> >
> > The prehistoric cave art found in France and Spain
> > shows ancient man to be a remarkable artist. When
> > Pablo Picasso visited the newly-discovered Lascaux
> > caves, in the Dordogne, in 1940, he emerged from them
> > saying of modern art, "We have discovered nothing".
>
> Picasso was an asshole.
>
> A great artist, yes. But an asshole nonetheless.

I'd even debate the "great artist" part. <G>

(My taste in painting runs more toward the photorealistic school. A child
can create an "impression" of something. It takes a skilled hand to create
an accurate depiction.)

JB

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Oct 4, 2001, 9:21:23 PM10/4/01
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"Steve Mading" <mad...@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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Modern art, and art critics' taste. How else to you explain Jackson Pollock?
LOL

>


chib

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Oct 5, 2001, 1:04:49 PM10/5/01
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In article <sV7v7.69419$6q.73...@typhoon.neo.rr.com>, JB
<nos...@dontbugme.net> wrote:

Everyone is aware of Picasso's later works, the cubism and abstracts
he's famous for. But very few people are aware that he was a skilled
draftsman who could draw or paint something so accurately it could
qualify as trompe l'oeil.

http://www.boston.com/mfa/picasso/torso.htm

-chib

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JB

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Oct 7, 2001, 4:32:24 AM10/7/01
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"chib" <ch...@outreach.com> wrote in message
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Actually, I am aware of, though not overly familiar with Picasso's earlier
work. I've sometimes wondered why he chose to abandon realism in favor of
abstract.

Fred Stone

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Oct 7, 2001, 10:51:43 AM10/7/01
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JB wrote:

He said in an interview once (I paraphrase): "If I paint realistically, I'm a
good
artist. If I paint like Picasso, I am Picasso!"

Nothing like a healthy ego, I say. ;-)

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The Mad Doctor

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Oct 9, 2001, 1:46:42 AM10/9/01
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But it is true. If all he painted werew realistic, he would have made
it as the local mural painter or something, but he, instead chose to
make an identity of his art.

Realism shows technical skill, but true art goes beyond that, it is
the expression of the artist, and that is why Picasso will be
immortalized, and the guy who paints the great murals on the sides of
the buildings in my hometown won't.

Grant Kinsley MD

The Ghost In The Machine

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Oct 9, 2001, 10:42:17 AM10/9/01
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In talk.atheism, chib
<ch...@outreach.com>
wrote
on Wed, 03 Oct 2001 19:44:49 -0700
<031020011944491480%ch...@outreach.com>:

>In article
><JyOu7.34936$3d2.1...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Dan Fake
><dan...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> ---
>> http://freelover.home.att.net/2001/10/03.htm
>> ---
>>
>> Excerpts:
>>
>> Human Cave Paintings Now Dated as
>> ~30,000 Years Old
>>
>> Pictures of horses in a cave in Chauvenet, France, have
>> been dated as being between 29,700 and 32,400 years
>> old.
>>
>> When compared to similar art in the Lascaux caves,
>> dated as 17,000 years old, little variation is seen.
>>
>> Quote from the article:
>>
>> The prehistoric cave art found in France and Spain
>> shows ancient man to be a remarkable artist. When
>> Pablo Picasso visited the newly-discovered Lascaux
>> caves, in the Dordogne, in 1940, he emerged from them
>> saying of modern art, "We have discovered nothing".
>
>Picasso was an asshole.
>
>A great artist, yes. But an asshole nonetheless.

Apparently, so was Newton. Go fig. :-) He and Leibnitz
didn't get along, for example.

But if you want a *real* nasty guy, try the Marquis de Sade.
Although I suspect some of those sitting on the Spanish
Inquisition (no, they didn't have comfy chairs, AFAIK)
might have been almost as bad. But I'd have to look.

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