Going to Hell in a Handbasket
KelBel
and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
God, et al:
First of all, READ THE BIBLE for Pete's sake before making Biblical
judgments. Most of what I read out there is completely unfounded and
misguided. See what it has to say. Read it with an open mind (and an
open heart, but for some of you that might be a little tougher). The Bible
was, is, and will alway be the ONLY word of God (the ONLY God, by the way)
and is his outline for life and how it should be lived. The Bible's
writings were divinely inspired, meaning, they are God's words written
through the hands of the men who wrote them. They weren't just some made
up gobbledygook written down by some religious lunatics. God wanted
everything written just SO, so me made sure he controlled the people
writing it. And if you think that the Bible is too old and that it's had
too many translations and interpretations, here's something: when they
discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls (late 1940s), there was an ancient book of
Isaiah in them. After it was interpreted to modern language, it was
discovered that there were only THREE words that were any different than
the modern version of the book of Isaiah, and they did nothing to construe
the context. The Bible is the ONLY book that has stayed "true to its word"
for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's God's will, and THAT'S why it is
God's word.
Everyone thinks that if God was truly a loving God that he wouldn't let
all these terrible things happen to the world/to people, etc. Well, it's
not Him, it's US--God created the perfect world for his perfect
beings--humans--which had everything in it that man would ever need to
survive and thrive. But when man chose to go against God's word, and eat
that apple, he basically sealed a pact with Satan/the Devil to go against
God, since Satan was cast down to the earth, and the earth is HIS domain
(not just Hell). All those "terrible things" that go on in the world are
not from God, they're from Satan, because he WANTS to get all the unsaved
souls he can before the end of the world, because he knows that his time is
short (he's already defeated, but he keeps on trying). Man is BORN sinful,
and being baptized as a baby, doing good deeds and being a "good person"
and just going to church every Sunday will NOT get you into Heaven,
contrary to popular belief. Churches and religion in general are not liked
very much by God; in the Bible THE CHURCH was not a place of worship, but
the people, the believers in God who spread his word (they're also known as
"saints"--all believers are saints, you don't have to live, die and be
cannonized to be one, like what Catholics belive). Religion, as a rule, is
man's way of trying to reach God; Christianity is GOD'S way of reaching
down to man.
Here's some things to think about: people naturally fear death because
they don't know what's on "the other side." So, what if you were to die
tonight, on your way home from work, in some freak accident. Where would
you go? If you think you would go to Heaven, are you 100% SURE you would?
Do you have proof? How about this: what if you were caught after
committing crime after heinous crime, and you were going to the absolute
worst prison you could imagine for the rest of your life (Pelican Bay,
perhaps?), where, not only were you in prison, away from family, friends,
and life in general, but were tortured day after day, night after
night--just until you were about to pass out, but they didn't LET you pass
out, they just tortured you till the right moment, gave you some semblance
of relief, then just as you caught your breath, the torture would begin
again. Or, what about this: think of the worst possible pain you've ever
felt in your life: maybe it was a broken limb, maybe childbirth, maybe
you're a chronic pain sufferer, maybe you've had a depression so deep that
you thought suicide was the only way out? And the pain was so great, you
would have given anything to make it stop NOW??? Think about that pain,
that torture, that torment continuing on and on...forever and ever...NEVER
to stop, never to end...never to give you relief!!!
NOW...what if there was one simple, easy, and absolutely FREE thing that
you could do for yourself that would make any and all of those troubles and
problems simply disappear, vanish, never to be heard from again, WITH NO
STRINGS ATTACHED??? Wouldn't you do it??? That's what I mean--that's what
God is offering to man, He's saying, "Here ya go--here's a perfect life, no
pain, no anguish, no fear, no darkness...and it's all FREEEEE!!! All you
have to do is say a small prayer and believe in Me!" It makes me really
wonder why anyone WOULDN'T want to do it!!! All the proof is in His word:
He promises all this, and from what the Bible says, every promise He has
ever made He has kept to the letter. Every God-given prophesy was
fulfilled, every promise made.
And speaking of promises, make sure you read Revelations in the back of
the Bible. We are living in the "end times" as we speak today. Although
it's a tough read, try also reading "Planet Earth 2000" and "There's a New
World Coming" by Hal Lindsey. He's been studying Relevations for years, and
his books are good for putting Revelations into 20th century layman's
terms. Relevation was written by John (as in Matthew, Mark, Luke and...).
Here's a first century man, thrust into a vision through God, to view
terrible things that will be happening nearly 2,000 years in the future,
with machines, war, disease and nuclear holocost that poor John couldn't
even begin to understand, let alone try to write about this stuff to people
in his time--there weren't even words created for what he saw. But God
chose him to see all this, and write it down for posterity. And you know
what? If you read Relevations or a good book that deciphers Relevations,
and you read the news paper, listen to the radio and watch the TV news, you
can't help but KNOW that the time is extremely short! The Jews got their
homeland back in the state of Israel, they got Jerusalem back in the war in
1967, all that's left is for them to rebuild their Temple (the third time
Solomon's temple would be built after being destroyed), and the way things
are going over in Israel and the Middle East in general, it shouldn't be
much longer.
If people would just READ the Bible, and learn the truth for themselves,
there wouldn't be any need for atheism at all--as well as any of the other
strange and hopeless, cultist religions of the world (which were all begun
way back in Babylon, by the way--the Bible even says that we are now living
in the second Babylon, to be destroyed like He did the first one) There
may be thousands of religions in the world, but there is only ONE GOD, and
like it or not, it's the truth. You may not believe it yourself, but that
doesn't stop it from being true.
For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing. He'll do it!
Now don't go asking him for $100 or something (although from personal
experience, He has come through for me in certain ways when I was in a REAL
pinch) He WANTS people to know He exists, He cares, He loves every human
being (although NOT necessarily what they do). Ask anyone who is a true
Christian what He has done in their lives: got them jobs, money, spouses,
anything that they asked for SINCERELY and in God's name, as to how God
wanted to guide their lives. Remember, without God, you can do nothing,
but with him, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!
Isn't it worth it to ask God to come into your heart and change your life
for the better? I've seen it inmy family's and my friends and my life too
(and believe me, I lived the proverbial life of sex & drugs & rock and
roll, but I was always afraid to die and knew it could come at ANY TIME).
So why not make a change for the better--for all eternity??? It's FREE.
All you have to do is ask.
--Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
A.X. Lias
: Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
: and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
: you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
: God, et al:
Too obvious. Zero troll points, try again.
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Jazz is like a bee.
Ian Wood
> Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
Wrong! You need rec.humor, but then I may be wrong: reading
your posting had me guffawing...
> ...However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
> God, et al:
So you admit there's more than one? Ah HA!
> First of all, READ THE BIBLE for Pete's sake before making Biblical
> judgments.
Been there, done that. I was a misguided Cretin, sorry,
Christian for fifteen years before I wised up. I know the
bible better than most of the people I debate with, so there,
nyah, nyah, nyah!
> Most of what I read out there is completely unfounded and
> misguided.
_Their_ stuff, right? Not ours.
> open heart, but for some of you that might be a little tougher). The Bible
> was, is, and will alway be the ONLY word of God (the ONLY God, by the way)
The KJV, the Catholic bible, the Koran, the Jewish bible - you
don't say which one...
> and is his outline for life and how it should be lived.
I've always thought the courts ought to go back to an eye for
an eye. That's the way they do it in the Middle East, after
all, and they're closer to the Holy Land than we. We can go
further. I've always wanted to conquer people and rape their
women and rip the unborn from the womb like they do in the old
testament. The hard thing to understand is that the people
doing all this weren't amoral atheists, but god's chosen. Hmm!
> The Bible's
> writings were divinely inspired, meaning, they are God's words written
> through the hands of the men who wrote them.
I'm going to need a minute to grasp that concept...
> They weren't just some made
> up gobbledygook written down by some religious lunatics. God wanted
> everything written just SO, so me made sure he controlled the people
> writing it.
You seem to have a better handle on religion than most theists
who post here. You've hit the nail right on the head. It _is_
about control! How incisive of you! Now where is your proof,
please, that it _wasn't_ written by lunatics? Every time I read
it, i can't believe otherwise. Are you saying your belief is
better than mine? How do you justify _that_ claim?
> And if you think that the Bible is too old and that it's had
> too many translations and interpretations, here's something: when they
> discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls (late 1940s), there was an ancient book of
> Isaiah in them. After it was interpreted to modern language, it was
> discovered that there were only THREE words that were any different than
> the modern version of the book of Isaiah, and they did nothing to construe
> the context.
"Construe the context"? I am sorry, I am not undertaking of
the meanness of these wordings.
Besides, there aren't that many people who argue the accuracy
of the translation, just the stupidity of it.
> The Bible is the ONLY book that has stayed "true to its word"
> for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's God's will, and THAT'S why it is
> God's word.
Kama Sutra comes to mind (but then that's my mind...) How
about Bhagavad Gita? Epic of Gilgamesh from which Noah's story
was stolen? The love letters written in Cuneiform found at
Kissan Tel...
"Verily, I say unto you, There are some of them that stand
here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the
Son of man coming in his kingdom." (Matt 16:28)
Ignoring the sexual implications of this quote for a minute,
how can you say the bible is inerrant when Jesus has quite
obviously not returned and all of his contemporaries are dead?
Are you claiming there are people still alive who knew him? If
not, then he must have returned and no one noticed. What a
shame!
And how about this one?
"Among them that are born of women there hath not arisen a
greater than John the Baptist" (Matt 11:11) (Great grammar,
huh?) Here is Jesus, whom you worship, stating unequivocally
that John is greater than he is. How do you think John feels
when everyone worships his inferior? I'll bet he's John the
Bat-pissed.
> Everyone thinks that if God was truly a loving God that he wouldn't let
> all these terrible things happen to the world/to people, etc. Well, it's
> not Him, it's US--God created the perfect world for his perfect
> beings--humans--which had everything in it that man would ever need to
> survive and thrive.
Tell that to the relatives of five thousand dead people in
Kobe, Japan. Now _we_ know they just _caused_ that earthquake,
but I think you need to tell _them_. Meanwhile, tell me how a
perfectly created world could go so godawfully _wrong!_ The
fact is that god _fucked up_ royally and _I'm_ waiting for you
people to _admit_ it.
> But when man chose to go against God's word, and eat
> that apple
It wasn't an apple, nyah, nyah, nyah! The bible says fruit.
RTFB! There were no apples in Israel at that time. How can I
trust any of this if you get a sinful thing like that wrong?
> he basically sealed a pact with Satan/the Devil to go against
> God, since Satan was cast down to the earth, and the earth is HIS domain
> (not just Hell).
Hey, Satan's a buddy of mine. He's here when we need him, and
he get's things done. Where the hell has god been for the last
2,000 years?
> and being baptized as a baby, doing good deeds and being a "good person"
> and just going to church every Sunday will NOT get you into Heaven,
> contrary to popular belief.
No shit, Sherlock!
> Here's some things to think about:
Do you get your grammar from the bible, too?
people naturally fear death because
> they don't know what's on "the other side." So, what if you were to die
> tonight, on your way home from work, in some freak accident. Where would
> you go? If you think you would go to Heaven, are you 100% SURE you would?
> Do you have proof?
According to drunk driving statistics, it's 100 proof which
causes a lot of accidents...
> How about this: what if you were caught after
> committing crime after heinous crime, and you were going to the absolute
> worst prison you could imagine for the rest of your life (Pelican Bay,
> perhaps?)
You speaking from experience?
> where, not only were you in prison, away from family, friends,
> and life in general, but were tortured day after day, night after
> night
I live in a country where Christian fundies do this already.
It's on TV, it's in the press, it's at work. I can't get away
from it. Have you any idea what it's like? Arrrggghhhh!
> would have given anything to make it stop NOW??? Think about that pain,
> that torture, that torment continuing on and on...forever and ever...NEVER
> to stop, never to end...never to give you relief!!!
It Marquis de sade. Sorry, I _meant_ it makes me sad...
> NOW...what if there was one simple, easy, and absolutely FREE thing that
> you could do for yourself that would make any and all of those troubles and
> problems simply disappear, vanish, never to be heard from again,
WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED???
Having to sit and worship god for all eternity is a greater
hell to me than anything you've listed. And you say there are
no strings attached? Gimme a break!
> He promises all this, and from what the Bible says, every promise He has
> ever made He has kept to the letter.
except about Jesus returning, except about no more floods,
except about the temple being rebuilt, except about except
about etc about...
> And speaking of promises, make sure you read Revelations in the back of
> the Bible. We are living in the "end times" as we speak today. Although
> it's a tough read, try also reading "Planet Earth 2000" and "There's a New
> World Coming" by Hal Lindsey.
Excuse me, I have to run out and vomit profusely. Now I _know_
what kind of asshole you are.
> He's been studying Relevations for years, and
> his books are good for putting Revelations into 20th century layman's
> terms.
So he's interpreting the bible for us because what? God can't
do it? So we should believe Hal cos he's what? A holy man?
He's inspired? Oh yeah, I can _see_ that. Now when did "The
Late Great Planet Earth" come out? _How_ many years ago?
_That_ was timely...
> Relevation was written by John (as in Matthew, Mark, Luke and...).
And your proof of this is where?
> Here's a first century man, thrust into a vision through
> God...
Chewing on some weed...
> terrible things that will be happening nearly 2,000 years in the future,
> with machines, war, disease and nuclear holocost
Let's holocost it out shall we, and see how much Jesus saves...
> that poor John couldn't
> even begin to understand, let alone try to write about this stuff to people
> in his time--there weren't even words created for what he saw. But God
> chose him to see all this, and write it down for posterity.
Is that the same as talking out of your ass?
> And you know
> what? If you read Relevations or a good book that deciphers Relevations,
> and you read the news paper, listen to the radio and watch the TV news, you
> can't help but KNOW that the time is extremely short!
Sure you can't - if you're a schmuck.
> The Jews got their
> homeland back in the state of Israel, they got Jerusalem back in the war in
> 1967, all that's left is for them to rebuild their Temple (the third time
> Solomon's temple would be built after being destroyed), and the way things
> are going over in Israel and the Middle East in general, it shouldn't be
> much longer.
How're they gonna build it if the Islamic terrorists keep
blowing things up?
> If people would just READ the Bible,
Been there, done that.
> and learn the truth for themselves,
Sorry, couldn't do that. Not from the bible.
> may be thousands of religions in the world, but there is only ONE GOD
But how can we tell when we have the _right_ one? I'm just
a-itchin' to pray and be saved, but ooooh! so many gods, so
little time. What's a poor atheist to do?
> For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
> that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
> several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
> sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
> say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
> a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing.
I asked him to wake me up at ten the _next_ night, but I woke
up at my usual 8:30. Sorry. I guess this means god doesn't
exist. Hey fundies, here's proof, readallaboutit!
> He WANTS people to know He exists
Then why doesn't the silly bastard post to this group? I'm
challenging him now. Let this be the proof. God, (any god
who'll listen) if you're out there, post an uneraseable message
to alt.atheist, and we'll believe... There, I said it!
> He cares
That's why five thousand - FIVE FUCKING THOUSAND - innocent men
women and children are _dead_ in Japan because a a fault in a
system _he_ designed. How can you justify this? I don't want
_any_ part of a god who can permit this whether he has a divine
plan or not.
> He loves every human
Yeah, in the way O.J loved Nicole...
> being (although NOT necessarily what they do). Ask anyone who is a true
> Christian what He has done in their lives: got them jobs, money, spouses,
Well, I have a job and money. How did _that_ happen? It must
be an atheist miracle! hallatheistlujah!
> anything that they asked for SINCERELY and in God's name, as to how God
> wanted to guide their lives. Remember, without God, you can do nothing,
> but with him, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!
You know how long I've been begging him SINCERELY to get me
that ten million that Ed McMahon has been promising me?
>
> --Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
This is the only thing you posted that I accept. Now get a
life or drop dead if you so love your god, and meet him.
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Nathan Hand
: Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
: and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
: you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
: God, et al:
ie "I shall troll this group like its never been trolled before. I have
no life and need attention. I cant get attention through good deeds be-
cause I am a weiner so I will get attention through insults and ridicu-
lous claims".
: First of all, READ THE BIBLE for Pete's sake before making Biblical
: judgments. Most of what I read out there is completely unfounded and
: misguided.
Hmm... the dozens of deconverts would be happy to hear this. They had
imagined they had been reading the bible for the many years up to they
"lost their faith". The many scholars here who also read the bible for
ammo against self-centred snobs like you are undoubtedly hurt also.
: See what it has to say. Read it with an open mind (and an
: open heart, but for some of you that might be a little tougher).
Hooboy... he has already assumed the stance that atheists have closed
minds and closed hearts. By inference he has an open mind and an open
heart. Talk about smug little so-and-so.
: The Bible
: was, is, and will alway be the ONLY word of God (the ONLY God, by the way)
Hooboy!!! Not you have insulted just about every other major world
religion (ie Hinduism!). You are also making the claim that a gods
word is indeed written in the bible. I assume you have some proof
of this claim. The contents of the bible do not count as proof of
the contents of the bible -- for those who still have difficulty
understanding this simple concept.
: and is his outline for life and how it should be lived. The Bible's
: writings were divinely inspired, meaning, they are God's words written
: through the hands of the men who wrote them. They weren't just some made
: up gobbledygook written down by some religious lunatics.
Unlike your post you mean?
: God wanted
: everything written just SO, so me made sure he controlled the people
: writing it.
Free-will people... please join the thread here...
: And if you think that the Bible is too old and that it's had
: too many translations and interpretations, here's something: when they
: discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls (late 1940s), there was an ancient book of
: Isaiah in them. After it was interpreted to modern language, it was
: discovered that there were only THREE words that were any different than
: the modern version of the book of Isaiah, and they did nothing to construe
: the context. The Bible is the ONLY book that has stayed "true to its word"
: for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's God's will, and THAT'S why it is
: God's word.
Shakespeares words have kept a pretty close translation after 400 (?)
years. I suppose Shakespeare was working under the influence of a god.
Same goes for all the great literary writers from Greece, Rome, etc.
: [deletia of gobbledygook written down by some religious lunatic]
My you can talk. And not very well either.
: --Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
Dont you mean Pumpkinhead?
bugger.... i resorted to insults... i _hate_ that...
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"help, help, im being repressed" | perfection is achieved only
"ahhh, what you gonna do about it" | on the point of collapse
Niall McAuley
>You people make my heart ache for you.
I won't include cheeseheads post again, but just make a few points.
On Biblical inerrancy:
I've read the bible, that's one reason I'm an atheist.
The literal truth of the bible is held only by fanatics even
among christians. There was no flood. The only way it could
have happened is a massive cover-up by god using miracles, and
a huge fraudulent creation of the existing evidence of no flood,
and if you believe that, you'll believe anything. This single
example is enough to knock your whole ridiculous theology on its
arse.
On death:
I'm as certain about "whats on the other side" as I am that the
sun will rise tomorrow. I fear death because it means no more life.
"I" won't "go" anywhere. I'll be dead. It's like asking where was
I in the year 1800. I didn't exist. Same thing in the year 3000.
From your bit about hell:
...tortured day after day...but they didn't LET you pass
out, they just tortured you till... the torture would begin
again....worst possible pain...broken limb, maybe childbirth
...chronic pain sufferer...depression...suicide ...pain was so great
...make it stop...pain,that torture, that torment continuing on and on
...forever and ever...NEVER..to stop, never to end...never
You think about this stuff too much. It's not healthy.
On Biblical prophecy:
What was it Jesus said *exactly* to his followers about the end of the
world coming before this generation has passed away ? These are Jesus
own words, and Paul obviously believed them, yet they were totally false.
This is where *you* have to cheat, and say the obvious meaning isn't the
literal meaning. You are making up the literal meaning to fit the facts.
You are making up the "inspired" word of god as you go along.
On prayer:
When I was young, I had a religion teacher who believed the
NT literally. He quoted a verse from to the effect of "ask and you shall
receive". He stated that if he prayed for a million pounds, he would
get it. He said anyone who didn't literally believe this was not a
Christian. Since I knew from personal tests that this verse is
not literally true, I realized he was correct, I did not believe
as he did. A first step towards realizing I was an atheist. If
you pin your false beliefs on verifiable tests, they will fail you.
On sin:
There is no god, and nothing wrong with sex and drugs and rock and roll
in themselves. Relax and enjoy your life, it's the only one you're going
to get. Don't worry so much, and stop fantasizing about hell.
In conclusion:
You will not see the end times. You will one day realize how false
your present beliefs are. Come back and see us then, we'll be here,
and you might contribute something.
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Niall
Ade The Shade
KelBel (024...@nt.com) wrote:
: Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
: and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
: you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
: God, et al:
I'd be suprised if you could.
: First of all, READ THE BIBLE for Pete's sake before making Biblical
: judgments.
Read it, been there, done that.
Most of what I read out there is completely unfounded and
: misguided. See what it has to say. Read it with an open mind (and an
: open heart, but for some of you that might be a little tougher).
Done that too. No difference.
: The Bible
: was, is, and will alway be the ONLY word of God
(the ONLY God, by the way)
Says who? There are thousands of other gods out there.
: and is his outline for life and how it should be lived. The Bible's
: writings were divinely inspired, meaning, they are God's words written
: through the hands of the men who wrote them. They weren't just some made
: up gobbledygook written down by some religious lunatics. God wanted
: everything written just SO, so me made sure he controlled the people
: writing it.
So why is it so full of contradictions and utter shite?
Are bats really birds, like it says?
[snip]
: Everyone thinks that if God was truly a loving God that he wouldn't let
: all these terrible things happen to the world/to people, etc. Well, it's
: not Him, it's US--God created the perfect world for his perfect
: beings--humans--which had everything in it that man would ever need to
: survive and thrive.
Aha. So WE cause earthquakes etc. which kill people, do we?
But when man chose to go against God's word, and eat
: that apple, he basically sealed a pact with Satan/the Devil to go against
: God, since Satan was cast down to the earth, and the earth is HIS domain
: (not just Hell).
So, like, why didn't god just start all over again right when that
happened?
All those "terrible things" that go on in the world are
: not from God, they're from Satan, because he WANTS to get all the unsaved
: souls he can before the end of the world, because he knows that his time is
: short (he's already defeated, but he keeps on trying).
Seems a shame god ain't powerful enough to sort him out, really...
: Man is BORN sinful,
What about woman?
: and being baptized as a baby, doing good deeds and being a "good person"
: and just going to church every Sunday will NOT get you into Heaven,
: contrary to popular belief. Churches and religion in general are not liked
: very much by God;
He told you this, did he?
in the Bible THE CHURCH was not a place of worship, but
: the people, the believers in God who spread his word (they're also known as
: "saints"--all believers are saints, you don't have to live, die and be
: cannonized to be one, like what Catholics belive).
You are a saint, are you?
Well hey, _I_ am a god. Bible says so : John 10:34.
: Here's some things to think about: people naturally fear death because
: they don't know what's on "the other side." So, what if you were to die
: tonight, on your way home from work, in some freak accident. Where would
: you go?
I shall wait and see.
: If you think you would go to Heaven, are you 100% SURE you would?
Personally, I fully intend to haunt castles and scare tourists.
: Do you have proof? How about this: what if you were caught after
: committing crime after heinous crime,
Quite likely, after all, that's what atheists do best ;)
and you were going to the absolute
: worst prison you could imagine for the rest of your life (Pelican Bay,
: perhaps?),
A room with you in it, perhaps?
where, not only were you in prison, away from family, friends,
: and life in general, but were tortured day after day, night after
: night--just until you were about to pass out, but they didn't LET you pass
: out, they just tortured you till the right moment, gave you some semblance
: of relief, then just as you caught your breath, the torture would begin
: again.
What's your point?
[snip]
: NOW...what if there was one simple, easy, and absolutely FREE thing that
: you could do for yourself that would make any and all of those troubles and
: problems simply disappear, vanish, never to be heard from again, WITH NO
: STRINGS ATTACHED??? Wouldn't you do it??? That's what I mean--that's what
: God is offering to man, He's saying, "Here ya go--here's a perfect life, no
: pain, no anguish, no fear, no darkness...and it's all FREEEEE!!!
Sounds good. To good to be true, maybe...
All you
: have to do is say a small prayer and believe in Me!" It makes me really
: wonder why anyone WOULDN'T want to do it!!!
Well... God has never said that to me. And I suspect he never will, unless
he suddenly comes into existence.
: All the proof is in His word:
Sounds like a car salesman I know.
: He promises all this, and from what the Bible says, every promise He has
: ever made He has kept to the letter. Every God-given prophesy was
: fulfilled, every promise made.
Like what, for instance?
: And speaking of promises, make sure you read Revelations in the back of
: the Bible. We are living in the "end times" as we speak today. Although
: it's a tough read, try also reading "Planet Earth 2000" and "There's a New
: World Coming" by Hal Lindsey. He's been studying Relevations for years, and
his mind has turned to cheese (sorry, couldn't resist)
[end of world snipped]
: If people would just READ the Bible,
Why not the Koran, or the Talmud?
: and learn the truth for themselves,
: there wouldn't be any need for atheism at all
There isn't a _need_ for atheism. What are you taking about?
--as well as any of the other
: strange and hopeless, cultist religions of the world (which were all begun
: way back in Babylon, by the way
What? All of them? You are deranged, sir!
--the Bible even says that we are now living
: in the second Babylon,
Hmm. I live in Lancaster. Wrong again, sorry.
to be destroyed like He did the first one) There
: may be thousands of religions in the world, but there is only ONE GOD, and
: like it or not, it's the truth. You may not believe it yourself, but that
: doesn't stop it from being true.
All the other religions say exactly the same thing, though. So why should
we believe yours above them? Give a _very_ good reason, please.
: For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
: that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
: several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
: sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
: say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
: a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing. He'll do it!
Yeah yeah. I can do that without asking god to give me a wakeup call. If I
_want_ to wake up at a certain time, I do. Now why should god trouble
himself by acting as an alarm clock for millions of people?
: Now don't go asking him for $100 or something
Why not, he's omnipotent, isn't he?
(although from personal
: experience, He has come through for me in certain ways when I was in a REAL
: pinch) He WANTS people to know He exists, He cares, He loves every human
: being (although NOT necessarily what they do).
Then why doesn't he show it? Let him manifest himself on the White House lawn.
Ask anyone who is a true
: Christian
How can we tell? There are many Christians who believe at least as
strongly as you, poor boopy, do, and do terrible things to others.
what He has done in their lives: got them jobs, money, spouses,
: anything that they asked for SINCERELY
Sounds like a FreeMason...
and in God's name, as to how God
: wanted to guide their lives. Remember, without God, you can do nothing,
Help! I can't type anymore without god!
: but with him, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!
Can he fill my fridge with beer?
: Isn't it worth it to ask God to come into your heart and change your life
: for the better?
My life is quite good without him, thank you very much.
I've seen it inmy family's and my friends and my life too
: (and believe me, I lived the proverbial life of sex & drugs & rock and
: roll, but I was always afraid to die and knew it could come at ANY TIME).
: So why not make a change for the better--for all eternity??? It's FREE.
I'm not afraid to die. If there is nothing after death, then it doesn't
matter, and if there is, then it will be an interesting experience.
I don't _want_ to die, as I enjoy life, but death is not scary.
: All you have to do is ask.
Okay. Please will you fuck off?
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"Call on God, but row _away_ from the rocks."
Steve Keppel-Jones
plus this bit:
>For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
>that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
>several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
>sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
>say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
>a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing. He'll do it!
No he won't. Your brain will. I've done this many times without
invoking the help of any nonexistent deities. It's really neat!
>--Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
Yes, the thoughtless rhetoric was pretty much a dead giveaway.
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(practically everything snipped)
> For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
> that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
> several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
> sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
> say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
> a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing. He'll do it!
> Now don't go asking him for $100 or something (although from personal
> experience, He has come through for me in certain ways when I was in a REAL
> pinch) He WANTS people to know He exists, He cares, He loves every human
> being (although NOT necessarily what they do). Ask anyone who is a true
> Christian what He has done in their lives: got them jobs, money, spouses,
> anything that they asked for SINCERELY and in God's name, as to how God
> wanted to guide their lives. Remember, without God, you can do nothing,
> but with him, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!
Oh, man, this is just too easy. The entire article could be refuted
and mocked point for point, but that would take hours. I'm sticking with
my very favourite assertion.
God's an alarm clock! He created the universe, he made a perfect
world for his perfect beings (us), and we can ask him to be our very own
personal alarm clock! He can't do anything actually _useful_, like prove
his existence or demonstrably cure an irreverible illness, oh no; but he
can wake you up at any time you choose!
Boy, that's a god I'd hate not to have on my side. I mean, what if I
didn't ask him to wake me up and I slept in and missed a job interview?
Why, that would be just awful. Believe in the Holy Alarm Clock and You
Will Be Saved.
Unless KenBel's posting is the troll to end all trolls (always a
possibility), I think it's safe to say we have a world-class schmuck here.
Robert Matthews
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"Never before--more than you had to be!
Francesca Fiore
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bfe...@ibm.net
>Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
>and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
>you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
>God, et al:
Somehow I suspect it isn't your heart that aches, but your arrogance...
As to how misguided one can get, you seem to be approaching the limit.
As to shedding light, it doesn't seem so -- you might turn on a light or
two yourself and take an ever so slightly more careful look.
>First of all, READ THE BIBLE for Pete's sake before making Biblical
>judgments. Most of what I read out there is completely unfounded and
>misguided.
Evidence? Or merely personal assertion? Given the number of precise
references provided, and the rather detailed criticisms raised, I'd say
you're pretty far off base so far.
> See what it has to say. Read it with an open mind (and an
>open heart, but for some of you that might be a little tougher). The Bible
>was, is, and will alway be the ONLY word of God (the ONLY God, by the way)
Funny, some of the words alleged to have come from this God indicate
that HE at least believed there to be other Gods which "his" people
might hold over him...
>and is his outline for life and how it should be lived. The Bible's
>writings were divinely inspired, meaning, they are God's words written
>through the hands of the men who wrote them.
Then he has a terrible time coming up with a consistent story -- how many
visited Christ's tomb? How did Judas die?
And he seems rather monstrous, to boot -- the treatment of Job, the
treatment of the 21 school children who mocked the prophet, etc..
>They weren't just some made
>up gobbledygook written down by some religious lunatics.
Evidence? Or yet another personal assertion?
>God wanted
>everything written just SO, so me made sure he controlled the people
>writing it.
Which raises a nasty little theological problem for you -- why was He so
concerned to get the writing correct but not so concerned to control
the behavior of those whose behavior is abhorent to him? Why was control
OK in one case and not the other?
How does God justify himself and his actions to himself??
>And if you think that the Bible is too old and that it's had
>too many translations and interpretations, here's something: when they
>discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls (late 1940s), there was an ancient book of
>Isaiah in them. After it was interpreted to modern language, it was
>discovered that there were only THREE words that were any different than
>the modern version of the book of Isaiah, and they did nothing to construe
>the context. The Bible is the ONLY book that has stayed "true to its word"
>for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's God's will, and THAT'S why it is
>God's word.
Totally irrelevant, even if true (which it simply is not -- speak with Virk Audil
re: the Quran vs. the Bible for unchanging accuracy). But again, quite
irrelevant -- so its unchanged? So what?
> Everyone thinks that if God was truly a loving God that he wouldn't let
>all these terrible things happen to the world/to people, etc. Well, it's
>not Him, it's US--God created the perfect world for his perfect
>beings--humans--which had everything in it that man would ever need to
>survive and thrive. But when man chose to go against God's word, and eat
>that apple, he basically sealed a pact with Satan/the Devil to go against
>God, since Satan was cast down to the earth, and the earth is HIS domain
>(not just Hell). All those "terrible things" that go on in the world are
>not from God, they're from Satan, because he WANTS to get all the unsaved
>souls he can before the end of the world, because he knows that his time is
>short (he's already defeated, but he keeps on trying).
Ah, I see -- so God is not all powerful after all. Satan creates earthquakes
and volcanoes. How... convenient... for this supposedly all-loving, all-
powerful deity of yours.
What a despicable crud he is, if he is as you paint him!
>Man is BORN sinful,
>and being baptized as a baby, doing good deeds and being a "good person"
>and just going to church every Sunday will NOT get you into Heaven,
>contrary to popular belief.
I see, so it doesn't matter what we do, GOD decides who to save and
who to punish, irrespective of the behavior.
And you *worship* this being?? How monstrous!
>Churches and religion in general are not liked
>very much by God;
Well, so he occassionally finds himself in good company...
[massive silliness snipped]
>For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
>that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
>several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
>sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
>say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
>a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing. He'll do it!
No, YOU'LL do it. Good grief, man, what happened to your mind??
How in the world is this something that could only happen because of
God??
>Now don't go asking him for $100 or something (although from personal
>experience, He has come through for me in certain ways when I was in a REAL
>pinch) He WANTS people to know He exists, He cares, He loves every human
>being (although NOT necessarily what they do).
Then he could do a damn sight better at showing himself than he in fact has.
[more inanities snipped]
>--Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
Ah, this explains so much! Cheese instead of brains -- no wonder.
I would still advise cheesefood -- your head is starving and the hallucinations
are beginning to overcome you.
Rev. Bill
Chris Ho-Stuart
> For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
> that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
> several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
> sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
> say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
> a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing. He'll do it!
I do this regularly, with no reference to God. My wife, on the other
hand, who is a Christian, does not have this ability. She has asked me
to wake her up at certain times, however.
Apparently I am more reliable than God for this particular trick.
Please redirect your tithes as appropriate.
Thank you -- Chris Ho-Stuart
--
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"Capital: a letter used to indicate that the writer does not know the
meaning of a word. eg: God, Truth, I." -- Damian Conway
William Barwell
>Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
>and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
>you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
>God, et al:
>
>First of all, READ THE BIBLE for Pete's sake before making Biblical
>judgments. Most of what I read out there is completely unfounded and
>misguided.
So, what do you make of Joshua 11:19-20? God commands Moses to send teh
Israelites to kill all the Canaanites and when the canaanites try to make
peace, god hardens their hearts to keep the foul genocide going including
the cruel murder of young children old women, and infants. Nice god you
have.
God is stupid. He puts Adam and Eve in the garden, tells 'em not to eat
of the tree, and knowing full well they have absolutely no sense of good
or evil and so canot know it is evil not to obey, go do it. God is
omniscient of course, but to stupid to put a cheapo Sears and Roebuck
electric fence around his tree. Pretty stupid creature, yes?
And then evereybody afterwards gets the blame. Bright.
See what it has to say. Read it with an open mind (and an
>open heart, but for some of you that might be a little tougher).
Done it all. It is a stupid book of lies and myths and ignorance.
Try the book Out Of The Desert by William H. Steibing Jr. Much
of the early OT that purports to be historical simply is not and this is
hard archeological fact. Get with it. The Bible is lies and myths.
Open mind and heart now. Go read Steibing's book. Prometheus
Press. in print.
The Bible
>was, is, and will alway be the ONLY word of God (the ONLY God, by the way)
>and is his outline for life and how it should be lived.
Bullshit. It is a book of lies, myths, legends, and has nothing
whatsoever to do wiath a amythical god, thank god. For the God of the
Bible is nasty, vicious and stupid and insane. A god that wil have Moses
ask Pharoah to let his people go, all the while bragging to Moses how he
will harden Pharoah's heart so he will not do so. So he can do things
lik ekill all teh first born of Egypt. What a kindly amd merciful God
the ancient billygoat herders of the Judean desert envisioned!
The Bible's
>writings were divinely inspired, meaning, they are God's words written
>through the hands of the men who wrote them. They weren't just some made
>up gobbledygook written down by some religious lunatics.
That is exactly what it is.
Mark 11:22-3
22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have Faith in God.
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that these
things he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever
he saith.
Here ya go. Now show us a big bad in yer face miracle like Jesus
promised us by merely lacking doubts.
It's in the Bible isn't it? From the lips of Jesus Christ himself!
And the Bible is dininely inspired! So it CANNOT be wrong, right?
So Why is Jesus blowing it out his ass here?
Here the Bible can be tested. Either you can fulfill the promises Jesus
said are possible or no Christain can. And none can. So if we cannot
trust the solemn and specific promises from teh son of god in a divinely
inspired Bible of things we can test, why should we trust promises of
things not so readily testable, such as the promises that only those who
declare Jesus son of God and believe in him will go to heaven?
God wanted
>everything written just SO, so me made sure he controlled the people
>writing it. And if you think that the Bible is too old and that it's had
>too many translations and interpretations,
So do the friggin miracles as promised in Mark 11:22-3 already. Prove
you are not talking out of yer ass. Come back to us when you can meet my
challenge.
If you can work miracles as promised, the Bibl eis true. If not it is false.
Mark 11:22-3 makes the Bible testable in a really scientific sense of the
word. It fails. So who cares?
Who cares what ignorant billy goat herders thought? Not me.
I have no room in my life for their insane babbling religious tripe.
Now if I could only get through to the insane and deeply stupid religous
right wing extremists around me.
********* irrelevant tripe deleted **********
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope Of Houston
Slack!
Robert Matthews
iw...@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Ian Wood) wrote:
> And how about this one?
> "Among them that are born of women there hath not arisen a
> greater than John the Baptist" (Matt 11:11) (Great grammar,
> huh?)
Ian, I have no intention of starting a grammar war, but there's
nothing wrong with this sentence at all, at least not in a poetic,
"written" sense.
Occasionally, a writer may find it useful to omit a word from a
sentence in order to a achieve a particular effect. It's a figure of
speech called an ellipsis. In this case, the word omitted is "man" (or, if
you like, the phrase omitted is "[person] born of woman"), and its
omission has the effect of making John the Baptist seem like more than a
man. If the word "man" had been used, then he would have been merely that,
because the sentence said so; but since the word was so conspicuously
absent, it leads the mind to think that he's not a man, but something
"greater", as the sentence itself reinforces. It's a gorgeously conceived
sentence.
I may disagree with the contents of the Christian bible, but it's a
beautifully written book, for the most part.
Matt McIrvin
>there wouldn't be any need for atheism at all--as well as any of the other
>strange and hopeless, cultist religions of the world (which were all begun
>way back in Babylon, by the way--the Bible even says that we are now living
>in the second Babylon, to be destroyed like He did the first one)
The third Babylon is going to be destroyed too, and the fourth,
largest one will abruptly ripple and vanish without a trace 24 hours
after beginning operation... which leaves number 5...
--
Matt 01234567 <-- Indent-o-Meter
McIrvin ^ Harnessing tab damage for peaceful ends!
Ewan Chilton (PA)
: Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
: and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
: you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
: God, et al:
: First of all, READ THE BIBLE for Pete's sake before making Biblical
: judgments. Most of what I read out there is completely unfounded and
: misguided. See what it has to say. Read it with an open mind (and an
: open heart, but for some of you that might be a little tougher). The Bible
{snip}
: So why not make a change for the better--for all eternity??? It's FREE.
: All you have to do is ask.
Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz... seen all this before.
I thought id check out alt.christianity just for kicks and you wouldnt belive
how misguided these ppl are......
most of us have read the bible perhapes you should read our FAQ?
dont lecture us please, but if you do want to argue can you define
your god in a number of points eg.
1: god is good
2: god is all powerfull
3: god loves us
etc etc
as no-one seems to have been able to do this yet. Then tell us why you think
it exists and why we should worship it./
Good luck, Ewan.
Donald A. Varvel
Greg Palmer <gpa...@xroads.com> wrote:
>In article <0243792-31...@47.66.33.145> 024...@nt.com (KelBel) writes:
>>From: 024...@nt.com (KelBel)
>>Subject: Going to Hell in a Handbasket
>>Date: 1 Feb 1995 01:19:37 GMT
>>Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
>>and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
>>you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
>>God, et al:
>[rest of fuckstick's post deleted]
Take it easy. He's stupid enough to believe that he's showing off
his superior knowledge. Remarkably, he seems able to spell, most
of the time, and has learned to use a computer. That's quite a lot,
under the circumstances. I don't think you should be so hard on him.
>Your entire 6+ page post was nothing but an opinion. I didn't see any factual
>proof or evidence for any of your claims. Most atheists deal in proof and
>hard evidence. You're obviously not an atheist so get the hell off
>alt.atheism.
There are reasons for this sort of exhibition.
Many Fundamentalists are taught that those who don't agree with them
will roast in hell for eternity. They therefore do us a favor by
enlightening us. They save us from eternal torture. Further, for
each sinner they convert to the True Faith they receive a star in
their heavenly crown; that is, power and honor in heaven.
They truly believe they are doing us and (incidentally) themselves
a favor by showing off their ignorance and bigotry.
And how might one gain more crown-stars than by wading into a self-
proclaimed gathering of infidels? It makes much more sense than
"preaching to the choir".
Such people, of course, expect (figurative) martyrdom. Whether to
oblige is a choice we must all make.
--
-- Don Varvel (var...@cs.utexas.edu)
"Excellent. Many mainlanders will suffer. You have done well."
Dirk Tebben
[snip garden-variety religious rant]
>--Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
Is it me, or does this say it all?
--
[ "Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurled: -- Alexander Pope, ]
[ The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!..." "An Essay on Man" ]
["RARE." -- Death, on what humans would be without love (T. Pratchett)]
[ Dirk Tebben Disclaimer: I have no one else's opinion to use. ]
Aario Sami
: Ask anyone who is a true
: Christian what He has done in their lives: got them jobs, money, spouses,
: anything that they asked for SINCERELY and in God's name, as to how God
: wanted to guide their lives. Remember, without God, you can do nothing,
: but with him, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!
Hi. My name is D*ve Rh*des. In September 1986 my car was repossessed...
--
Sami Aario
The_Doge of St. Louis
[The usual blather deleted]
So....how ARE things over on alt.syntax.tactical these days?
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[many deletions]
In article <0243792-31...@47.66.33.145>, KelBel <024...@nt.com> wrote:
>writing it. And if you think that the Bible is too old and that it's had
>too many translations and interpretations, here's something: when they
>discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls (late 1940s), there was an ancient book of
>Isaiah in them. After it was interpreted to modern language, it was
>discovered that there were only THREE words that were any different than
>the modern version of the book of Isaiah, and they did nothing to construe
>the context. The Bible is the ONLY book that has stayed "true to its word"
>for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's God's will, and THAT'S why it is
>God's word.
Um. That's what they say about the Qur'an (the unchanging part). BTW,
did you know that both Arizona and Indiana claim to be the only US state
that doesn't observe daylight savings time? Anyway, three words off?
Can't an omnipotent being be a bit more accurate than that?
>Here's some things to think about: people naturally fear death because
>they don't know what's on "the other side."
Well, you might notice that this is a good reason to be suspicious of
peoples' unfounded assertions about what "the other side" looks like.
>Do you have proof? How about this: what if you were caught after
>committing crime after heinous crime, and you were going to the absolute
>worst prison you could imagine for the rest of your life (Pelican Bay,
[shallow but graphic description of really nasty place]
>that torture, that torment continuing on and on...forever and ever...NEVER
>to stop, never to end...never to give you relief!!!
Excuse me. Could we go over again how we established that such a thing is
our fate? Or did you just make this up to scare us?
>NOW...what if there was one simple, easy, and absolutely FREE thing that
>you could do for yourself that would make any and all of those troubles and
>problems simply disappear, vanish, never to be heard from again, WITH NO
>STRINGS ATTACHED???
Really? Do we get a free 10-day trial offer too? Tell you what...you
give God my e-mail address and have him give me the benefits of the saved
life for 10 days (and make sure he lets me know that he's the one doing
it and what he's doing for me). When that time is up, if I like what I
see, I'll sign up. OK? Wait, isn't believing in Jeezus a string?
> And speaking of promises, make sure you read Revelations in the back of
>the Bible. We are living in the "end times" as we speak today.
I think that's what the Apostles thought.
>Although
>it's a tough read, try also reading "Planet Earth 2000" and "There's a New
>World Coming" by Hal Lindsey. He's been studying Relevations for years, and
>his books are good for putting Revelations into 20th century layman's
>terms.
Heh. Like any Christian eschatology is really heavy sledding. Look at
the audience it is directed at. Hasn't Hal Lindsey been saying we're in
the end times for a long time now? (remember "The Late Great Planet
Earth" circa 1970?)
>If people would just READ the Bible, and learn the truth for themselves,
>there wouldn't be any need for atheism at all--as well as any of the other
>strange and hopeless, cultist religions of the world (which were all begun
>way back in Babylon, by the way--the Bible even says that we are now living
>in the second Babylon, to be destroyed like He did the first one) There
>may be thousands of religions in the world, but there is only ONE GOD, and
>like it or not, it's the truth. You may not believe it yourself, but that
>doesn't stop it from being true.
You may believe it yourself, but that doesn't make it true. BTW,
Christianity is one of those strange, hopeless, cultist religions of the
world that can trace some of its origins back to Babylon.
>For all you unbelievers out there, try this (although I want to point out
>that God is not a puppet). It's a simple test but it's worked for me, and
>several other people I know. Before you go to bed tonight, ask God
>sincerely to wake you up at a designated time. Don't set your clock. Just
>say, "Lord, if you really are the one true God, please wake me up at 5:45
>a.m. tomorrow morning." Or any other time of your choosing. He'll do it!
Well, this is the real reason I'm responding to you at all. You see, I
read this after oversleeping for two days in a row. So, I tried it. Why
not; it didn't cost anything. I even gave Him a ten minute window. I
asked God to wake me up between 11:10 and 11:20 am this morning. You
know when I woke up? 1:26 pm. So, it seems the experiment disproves
your hypothesis. No God (at least not your Jehovah-Chronus the
Christian alarm clock deity). Care to explain? It's a real shame, too,
since I really need that sort of God. (You should be complimented on
having come up with a god that would really be of use to me. You're the
first to do so.)
>Remember, without God, you can do nothing,
>but with him, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!
Cute. Did you make it up? Please name for me one thing that I can't do
that I could do with God's help?
>(and believe me, I lived the proverbial life of sex & drugs & rock and
>roll, but I was always afraid to die and knew it could come at ANY TIME).
Sometimes I wish I was less of a goody goody. God just doesn't like
prudes. Maybe if I'd had more sex and drugs at an early age (I'll admit
to listening to rock 'n roll), God would have pulled me out of my
self-induced Hell and shown me the light. Then I wouldn't be in the
miserable state I'm in now (what with having to think about what I
believe for several minutes before screaming about in in public). Ho hum.
>All you have to do is ask.
Done it. Several times. Of course, I never really believed He'd
answer. Or did you mean to say "All you have to do is ask, while
believing that God will answer your prayers"? That's a much more
complicated matter.
JJ Hahn
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
Mats Andtbacka
Hell in a handbasket" only a couple of years ago? I distictly remember
pledging to bring a case of Guinness.
-- M.A., trying to remember who was supposed to bring the sunscreen
Greg Palmer
>From: 024...@nt.com (KelBel)
>Subject: Going to Hell in a Handbasket
>Date: 1 Feb 1995 01:19:37 GMT
>Well, well well. I thought I'd check out alt.atheism just to get a laugh,
>and was I right. You people make my heart ache for you. How misguided can
>you get??? However, I hope I can shed some light on a few things about
>God, et al:
[rest of fuckstick's post deleted]
Your entire 6+ page post was nothing but an opinion. I didn't see any factual
proof or evidence for any of your claims. Most atheists deal in proof and
hard evidence. You're obviously not an atheist so get the hell off
alt.atheism.
>All you have to do is ask.
Ok, could you please get the hell of alt.atheism, you idiotic, babbling
ingrown rhinocerous' dingleberry?
>--Cheesehead (and Christian, too, I might add--or couldn't you tell?)
You must have something like cheese in your head! My vote is water, but
whatever you say!
Love,
-Greg
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-Greg
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose!"