OT (or is it?): The buisiness end of the "Argument from Evil"
panam...@hotmail.com
culture. The "buisiness end" of a weapon is the muzzle. Yup, the end
the bullets come out of. Today, it's what I feel like.
I knew a woman once. Smart, cute, and strong-willed. I fell in love
with her. So much in love that I left a lifeless, mechanical marriage
to shallow but sturdy mother of my child to be with her.
Our relationship lasted just over a year. We loved each other, but we
were the poster children for "love isn't enough". My thrill-seeking,
hard partying nature, she soon viewed as self-destructive behavior. Her
insistance upon having strong views upon *every* subject and her great
demands for my time, I soon viewed as self-absorbtion and jealousy. But
I loved her. Still do, reallly. And I've seen hints from her in the ten
years since we simply decided to be "friends" that she feels much the
same way. It's been eight years since her last relationship, and about
four since mine. Neither of us seem to be interested in anyone else
these days.
She called me last night, first time I've heard from her in a couple of
months (but that's as much my fault as hers..I've not lost the number).
This majestic, passionate woman that I love has been diagnosed with
multiple sclerosis. I am absolutely broken hearted.
So, can anyone point me to some solid information on the research being
done on this disease? Every google search I make leads me to a bunch of
websites explaining the disease to new cases & their loved ones. I
don't really trust Google Scholar anymore, since discovering so much
pseudo-science while researching prayer and NDEs. I'm just hoping that
someone here knows someone who knows someone, etc. who can tell me
what's on the cutting edge for treating this disease. I know it won't
kill her outright. But it will break her heart to be inactive, watching
the joggers outside the window as she ponders how many years she'll be
stuck in that fucking chair.
Thanks in advance, folks. You're the best of the best.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
-Epicurus, 3d. century BCE
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Liz
<1160129149.7...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
[----]
>She called me last night, first time I've heard from her in a couple of
>months (but that's as much my fault as hers..I've not lost the number).
>This majestic, passionate woman that I love has been diagnosed with
>multiple sclerosis. I am absolutely broken hearted.
>
>So, can anyone point me to some solid information on the research being
>done on this disease? Every google search I make leads me to a bunch of
>websites explaining the disease to new cases & their loved ones. I
>don't really trust Google Scholar anymore, since discovering so much
>pseudo-science while researching prayer and NDEs. I'm just hoping that
>someone here knows someone who knows someone, etc. who can tell me
>what's on the cutting edge for treating this disease. I know it won't
>kill her outright. But it will break her heart to be inactive, watching
>the joggers outside the window as she ponders how many years she'll be
>stuck in that fucking chair.
I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I don't know anything
specifically about MS except that the prognosis is quite variable. I
suggest contacting the MS society personally, not through their
website, as they would have the latest and greatest information about
the disease.
Living with a progressive disease does not mean that you become the
disease, nor does it mean that you just give up and watch from the
sidelines.
My best wishes for you and your friend.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
Enkidu
@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> She called me last night, first time I've heard from her in a couple of
> months (but that's as much my fault as hers..I've not lost the number).
> This majestic, passionate woman that I love has been diagnosed with
> multiple sclerosis. I am absolutely broken hearted.
I know two people with MS, one who has had it for all of the twenty years
I've known her, and she continues to work full time as a middle school math
teacher. I don't know any details, but life has gone on for both women.
It's a serious condition, but isn't a death sentence.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
Matt Silberstein
in <1160129149.7...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
I am very sorry for your situation and for your friend. I have a
relative with MS. I will try to get what I can for you. You can email
me (remove the obvious stuff from the email address) if you wish.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
L. Raymond
> So, can anyone point me to some solid information on the research being
> done on this disease? Every google search I make leads me to a bunch of
> websites explaining the disease to new cases & their loved ones. I
> don't really trust Google Scholar anymore, since discovering so much
> pseudo-science while researching prayer and NDEs. I'm just hoping that
> someone here knows someone who knows someone, etc. who can tell me
> what's on the cutting edge for treating this disease. I know it won't
> kill her outright. But it will break her heart to be inactive, watching
> the joggers outside the window as she ponders how many years she'll be
> stuck in that fucking chair.
When my dad was diagnosed with ALS (Lou Gherig's disease) I went right
to the National Institutes of Health site for data.
MS Main Page
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/multiple_sclerosis/multiple_sclerosis.htm
Multiple Sclerosis: Hope Through Research: National Institute of
Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS)
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/multiple_sclerosis/detail_multiple_sclerosis.htm
A list of MS studies being done that need patients to volunteer:
http://clinicaltrials.gov/search/term=Multiple%20Sclerosis
--
L. Raymond
ike milligan
<panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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for 4 days and the 2,000 IU per day after that. Also 20 grams of fish oil
per day, or combine the two by taking Cod liver oil which is high in Vitamin
D enough to get the dosage I recommended.
panam...@hotmail.com
Enkidu wrote:
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote in news:1160129149.738564.288180
> @m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > She called me last night, first time I've heard from her in a couple of
> > months (but that's as much my fault as hers..I've not lost the number).
> > This majestic, passionate woman that I love has been diagnosed with
> > multiple sclerosis. I am absolutely broken hearted.
>
> I know two people with MS, one who has had it for all of the twenty years
> I've known her, and she continues to work full time as a middle school math
> teacher. I don't know any details, but life has gone on for both women.
> It's a serious condition, but isn't a death sentence.
Fortunately, my friend has the type that goes into remission from time
to time, rather than the type that marches someone straight into a
wheelchair. She's already getting "..gee, but you look so good!" from
people she's telling. They don't know that tomorrow she may not have
the ability to get out of bed. It comes and goes, and nobody can
predict when it will strike again. The problem with work is that she
works in the same industry I do (television). Her doctor is already
demanding she work a regular 9-to-5 daily schedule, and in *this*
business, it's almost impossible. She'll have to leave the broadcast
center, and take a supplimentary job shoving papers from one side of a
desk to the other. Her career's over, and she knows it. She's fighting
right now to keep her current level of pay, since the paper-pushers
make about %20-30 less than we do. She's trying to keep a sense of
humor about it. She jokes that she can keep the suits in line, since
she's now a "real live handicapped person!", but I can tell that she
feels cheated.
I'm just glad that she's not going to die. Even if I have to spend a
few years cleaning up after her, I want her around. Y'know, it's funny.
She was always afraid of losing me, since I smoke. Ironic, now that the
shoe's on the other foot..
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
panam...@hotmail.com
Thanks for the links. This is the kind of stuff I was looking for.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
panam...@hotmail.com
Matt Silberstein wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2006 03:05:49 -0700, in alt.atheism , panam...@hotmail.com
> in <1160129149.7...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> I am very sorry for your situation and for your friend. I have a
> relative with MS. I will try to get what I can for you. You can email
> me (remove the obvious stuff from the email address) if you wish.
Thanks, Matt. We're still plotting a plan of action. I'll contact you
if need be.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
panam...@hotmail.com
Thanks, Liz. It's good to know someone's cheering for us.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
panam...@hotmail.com
Hmmm. I don't know how she feels about suppliments, but I'm sure she'll
be tempted by anything that can keep the wolf from the door for a
little while. Thanks, Ike.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Pangur Ban
news:1160186390.1...@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>> <panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1160129149.7...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
*snip* only for brevity
>> > She called me last night, first time I've heard from her in a
>> > couple of months (but that's as much my fault as hers..I've not
>> > lost the number). This majestic, passionate woman that I love has
>> > been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. I am absolutely broken
>> > hearted.
>> >
I am so very sorry to read of her diagnosis. I have known several
people with MS; all felt they were living full lives. With the
adjustments to life-style necessitated by the progression of the
disease, each found a new way to move forward with life. I hope she
will do the same.....
Pangur
Robibnikoff
<panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I have a good friend who terrible MS - Not in a wheelchair yet, but she's
definitely on her way. She's only 36 and has two young sons. My whole
family does the MS walk with her group down in South Jersey to help raise
money (raised over $11,000 last spring - woohoo!). It's been a terribly
rough road for her. My only advice is to do TONS of research - as well as
be supportive. Hopefully your friend will be one of the lucky ones and will
have long period of remission. I'll keep my fingers crossed :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist Bastard Extraordinaire
#1557
stoney
alt.atheism
Oh, damn. Sorry I can't be of assistance. A guy who worked in avionics
the same time I did was inflicted with that. :\
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
It's a moment by moment thing. It isn't fun, but there are times you
still 'win big.'
Pangur Ban
news:7rqli2hqcfm6upt57...@4ax.com:
> wrote in alt.atheism
>>panam...@hotmail.com wrote in
>>news:1160186390.1...@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>>> ike milligan wrote:
>>>> <panam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1160129149.7...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>*snip* only for brevity
>>
>>>> > She called me last night, first time I've heard from her in a
>>>> > couple of months (but that's as much my fault as hers..I've not
>>>> > lost the number). This majestic, passionate woman that I love has
>>>> > been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. I am absolutely broken
>>>> > hearted.
>>>> >
>>
>>I am so very sorry to read of her diagnosis. I have known several
>>people with MS; all felt they were living full lives. With the
>>adjustments to life-style necessitated by the progression of the
>>disease, each found a new way to move forward with life. I hope she
>>will do the same.....
>
> It's a moment by moment thing. It isn't fun, but there are times you
> still 'win big.'
>
watching.
Pangur
panam...@hotmail.com
She's actually a little angry at me right now. Seems ol' Floyd can get
a little overprotective sometimes..and strong-willed, independent women
don't seem to like that! ;)
She's doing damn good, but still looking to sell the two story house
just in case. She's been introduced to several other patients by her
neurologist, and she's trying to get a better picture of what to
expect.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
Apologies. I was commenting about constant checks and adjustments. I
don't have MS. However, my central nervous system is 'customized' and
a mass of deteriorating circuitry. I can relate to what the lady's
going through although my path is different.
One can either 'cry in their beer' or make lots and lots and lots of
'lemonade.' The last couple of years I've been learning to draw and
paint. That's one hefty change from electronics.
My speech is now pretty good although it does vary. My written language
skills are, in some ways, better than they were before 'customization.'
All 'bootstrapping.' Manure Occurrith. :)
Pangur Ban
news:hgcoi2h20dvplkee8...@4ax.com:
When you are making lemonade, please use artificial sugar in mine....and
I do like pink lemonade on occasion.
Best wishes for strong bootstraps.....drawing and painting. Two skills
which I totally lack.
Pangur - who would appreciate an update if you wish to make one whenever
panam...@hotmail.com
She really enjoys those dog agility trials. She actually had a
part-time buisiness making all the little ramps and jumps and things
for awhile. Building the things might be a little tough in the future,
but I don't see how it would affect how she handles the dogs, as long
as her mind is still there. IIRC, one of her dog buddies also has MS.
Perhaps that's a contact that can help.
What do you draw/paint?
> My speech is now pretty good although it does vary. My written language
> skills are, in some ways, better than they were before 'customization.'
> All 'bootstrapping.' Manure Occurrith. :)
Stoney, do you find that you can get better at things if you practice
them? I'm just wondering if the activity itself can be
preserved/improved by repetition.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
Certes.
>Best wishes for strong bootstraps.....drawing and painting. Two skills
>which I totally lack.
Skill? Not at all. It's learning the basic mechanics. Consider a
child first being exposed to a hammer, nails, and a scrap piece of
lumber. With time and practice the child learns to weild the hammer to
a degree then may shift to a hand saw, plus measuring. In time the
child starts to understand things and begins to blossom. Perhaps
his/her first project will be assembling a pre-cut bird house. It may
not be pretty, but it will be functional and recognizable.
Painting and drawing is no different. Consider this; I don't see a
single image which gives problems with depth perception. Further, my
fine motor control leaves much to be desired.
It's not "how well the bear dances," but a wonder the bear dances at
all. It's an individual journey as is everything else learned. What it
takes is curiosity and a desire to learn something about a new medium or
application.
>Pangur - who would appreciate an update if you wish to make one whenever
--
stoney
alt.atheism
>
Indeed. One of the reasons I conduct word and imagery play-besides
trying to get people to grin, laugh, or grimace is to seek to keep the
mind nimble and active. Some days I do better than others. I may have
to bounce from 'item to item' during the course of a day; or not be able
to do an item today. That's ok. Some things I might not be able to do
for a week, or more. It can be frustrating, but there's no sense in
'beating oneself up about it.' Shift to something else you can do-even
if its for a few minutes. It's not an easy thing for a 'go-getter' to
come to terms with, but it helps.
We all have our limitations. If injury and/or disease doesn't get you;
time will.
>What do you draw/paint?
Just about everything. I work in oils, acrylics, graphite, pen and ink,
and have been known to work with charcoal. For instance, one time I had
access to a picture of a lighthouse attached structure. The outside was
taken quite a few feet from and 90 degrees to a window flanked by open
shutters. The structure was brick and the window had a stone arch.
The other pic was taken from the inside looking out the window. There
was visual data surrounding the window. For just the exercise I rotated
the viewpoint so the viewer was looking through the window from the
outside. I drew it and even placed items inside the vacant place.
>> My speech is now pretty good although it does vary. My written language
>> skills are, in some ways, better than they were before 'customization.'
>> All 'bootstrapping.' Manure Occurrith. :)
>
>Stoney, do you find that you can get better at things if you practice
>them?
Certainly. With the data dropout I have if I'm working on something
mechanical or electrical then I've got to be 'backstopped' to minimize
injury potential and/or further damage to what is being worked on.
> I'm just wondering if the activity itself can be
>preserved/improved by repetition.
Yes it can. Even new things can be learned. However, that's not to say
from moment to moment you may not be able to access the data. In such
case, shift to something else and pick up the dropped task whenever
you're able to.
I guess a bit of comparison might help. For years I worked on avionics
black boxes as well as on jet aircraft. The last exposure to art was
mucking around in junior high. It wasn't something I had interest in or
an aptitude for.
The skills I had in the technical world are gone. That's ok. It took
me awhile to accept they're gone and then to realize my accomplishments
remained. They couldn't be taken away. Mechanical stuff and table saws
were high risk.
I still don't have an aptitude for drawing and painting. However, my
curiosity got piqued by a art website I stumbled across a couple of
years ago. What I'm able to do is light-years ahead of when I started.
I hit things usually for 20 minutes, or so then back off and rest or do
something else for awhile. Sometimes I can go for a couple of hours.
I'm serious about it, but, for me, it is playtime and getting my body to
do things that are difficult for it.
I don't finish everything I start. There are some projects where I
haven't learned enough to either 'see' what needs to be done or I am
stymied by not being able to figure out how to get the particular effect
I'm after. As I either finally figure out or 'see' something then I'll
pick that project up again. As you work with things you learn
things-even if the end result is garbage.
Many though's the time I've flat been astonished at what I have done.
Just ask 'atheist@home ' about that. Or Robyn or Mickey.
Next spring I intend on building a small punt sail boat. No, I've never
attempted that. It will be small enough to fit inside the bed of my
pickup.
I'm also considering roughing out a form to bend a new gas tank for my
old motorcycle. I'd like to get that running again.
Of course, I'm also mulling over making a tryke.
I believe the key is to focus on what you can do and think of different
ways to complete a task. Hit it while you can then leave it and pick it
up again later.
Your ladyfriend sounds like a go-getter. She's just gotta be flexible
and adaptable, figure out ways which work for her and focus on bite
sized pieces. 'Just.' That took me quite awhile to figure out.
One person indicated that I can still *do* things, but in my own time as
I'm able to. It took me a long time to accept that, as I was a Class A
personality who could 'triple track.' 'Triple tracking' was gone and
had a heck of a time keeping from being 'derailed' on a single track.
Hope this helps some.
Pangur Ban
news:h2bri2lecpe80769m...@4ax.com:
This bear may one day get a book on art basics and give it a try. Are
you familiar with artist, Judy Chicago? I worked for her for several
years - in a non-artistic capacity, of course. I was fascinated by her
artistic processes.
Pangur
panam...@hotmail.com
That's pretty cool. Just twisted the perspective around, eh?
> >> My speech is now pretty good although it does vary. My written language
> >> skills are, in some ways, better than they were before 'customization.'
> >> All 'bootstrapping.' Manure Occurrith. :)
> >
> >Stoney, do you find that you can get better at things if you practice
> >them?
>
> Certainly. With the data dropout I have if I'm working on something
> mechanical or electrical then I've got to be 'backstopped' to minimize
> injury potential and/or further damage to what is being worked on.
>
> > I'm just wondering if the activity itself can be
> >preserved/improved by repetition.
>
> Yes it can. Even new things can be learned. However, that's not to say
> from moment to moment you may not be able to access the data. In such
> case, shift to something else and pick up the dropped task whenever
> you're able to.
>
> I guess a bit of comparison might help. For years I worked on avionics
> black boxes as well as on jet aircraft. The last exposure to art was
> mucking around in junior high. It wasn't something I had interest in or
> an aptitude for.
>From somewhere, I remember that you were an avionics guy. A lot of the
aircraft humor you post must keep me reminded of it. <g>
Yes, it does. And you're right about my friend. She's a pistol! I'm
glad she has at least the one hobby right now. She was quite the
accomplished flautist in college, but she hasn't picked it up in ages.
Sounds like having it re-padded might make a good xmas present.
Now if I can just figure out how to get it out of the house without her
knowing...<g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
>stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote in
>news:h2bri2lecpe80769m...@4ax.com:
>> On 11 Oct 2006 01:51:55 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban$@worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
No need to spend a penny.
http://www.wetcanvas.com
> Are you familiar with artist, Judy Chicago?
No. Did a web search and I see she does abstracts. And she works large.
>I worked for her for several
>years - in a non-artistic capacity, of course. I was fascinated by her
>artistic processes.
Then I'm sure you saw the process can be visualized as an inward spiral.
The top outside represents the base idea and it continues to gel then
it's changes until you reach the end. Of course, as you get further
along the changes {error corrections} become smaller and smaller.
It's a journey of self. You're also your own 'worst enemy.' I have fun
with this stuff. I win regardless if the piece turns out the way I want
it to, or not. Either way I learn from it.
Heck, you can start with pencil and 3 x 5 cards or small notepads.
Sketch small objects like an apple, pear, cucumber, tomato, that type of
thing. One has to learn to 'see' and get the eye-hand coordination
down. Just go for overall shapes at first.
And/or simply doodle and see what you come up with. Something might
come to mind via the fairly random lines. Play. Simply play and follow
the whimseys. And, most of all, have fun.
Pangur Ban
news:mvfvi2t73c88784s3...@4ax.com:
The Dinner Party is her best-known work. It is in NY; MOMA I
think is
the acronym. It is my favorite. I also own a final sketch of
one piece
in a multi-piece work. Bury the Hatchet is the name of the
sketch and
finished work.
Fun? What a concept. I know why I am convinced I have no
talent; my
4th grade teacher, Mrs. Fox, told me I didn't - after I had
worked so on
a small Xmas painting; that was half a century ago.
I promised myself then that as a teacher I would never "put
down" a
child as I had been.
Go for the overall shape.... hrmmmm.
Thanks for the advice.
Pang
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
>stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote in
>news:mvfvi2t73c88784s3...@4ax.com:
>> On 12 Oct 2006 10:24:52 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban
>$@worldnet.att.net>
>> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
>>>This bear may one day get a book on art basics and give it a
>try.
>>
>> No need to spend a penny. http://www.wetcanvas.com
>>
>>> Are you familiar with artist, Judy Chicago?
>>
>> No. Did a web search and I see she does abstracts. And she
>works
>> large.
>
>The Dinner Party is her best-known work. It is in NY; MOMA I
>think is the acronym. It is my favorite. I also own a final sketch of
>one piece in a multi-piece work.
>Bury the Hatchet is the name of the
>sketch and finished work.
Dinner Party's a very intriguing work. I couldn't find anything on
'Bury the Hatchet.'
I probably ran into the same thing. Again, learning the basic mechanics
is the key. Consider the general sequencing of ingrediants when baking.
Get the ingrediant sequencing/measurement wrong and the desired end
result isn't reached. Once you're familiar with the process you can
begin to make modifications.
>I promised myself then that as a teacher I would never "put
>down" a child as I had been.
Putting down a child is never a good idea.
>Go for the overall shape.... hrmmmm.
first drawing class Jan 2005 pencil portrait 15 x 18 on paper
http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/127d621122985
second drawing class May 2005 landscape pencil 15 x 18 on paper
http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/a4fdfe1123050
1st oils class Jun 2005 abstract generated from instructors general
lines
http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/a1dead1123093
1st oils class Jul 2005 playing on ceramic tile. Ala prima.
http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/f1173a1123143
This will help you. It's "Fun With A Pencil" By Andrew Loomis (1939).
Mr. Loomis died in 1958/9 so no copywrite issue.
Very good and anything but dry.
http://www.keepmyfile.com/download/a7535b1123480
>Thanks for the advice.
Welcome. :)
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
[snip]
>>>> Painting and drawing is no different. Consider this; I
>don't see a
>>>> single image which gives problems with depth perception.
>Further,
>>>> my fine motor control leaves much to be desired.
>>>>
>>>> It's not "how well the bear dances," but a wonder the bear
>dances at
>>>> all. It's an individual journey as is everything else
>learned.
>>>> What it takes is curiosity and a desire to learn something
>about a
>>>> new medium or application.
I forgot to mention the pencil portrait was done via the gridding
method.
stoney
alt.atheism
Inside shot
http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/90cfaf1123516
Outside shot
http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/91ae211123517
final result
http://www.keepmyfile.com/image/de169e1123518
At the time I had commented:
I tried hard. I got the 3D on the window sides ok, but for quite awhile
I couldn't figure out how to approach the arch. Then I thought, based on
the observers angle the inside of the arch would appear shorter. So, I
erased the top curve of the window and extended it up to narrow things.
I guess that worked, but I wasn't sure it would when I did it.
I ran things right up to the 'cliff edge' of my knowledge base and
continued on with what I could puzzle out. It might be interesting to do
this one again at a later time.
I did have drafting back in the stone age (B.C. before computers) while
in college (university). Haven't used it since the class.
--
stoney
alt.atheism
I post all sorts of things. :) My sense of humour is, admittedly,
off-beat and I pick on everything.
Pick a time when she's not there?
Pangur Ban
news:0k82j2hcd2iusrt7b...@4ax.com:
> On 14 Oct 2006 14:23:22 GMT, Pangur Ban <Pangur-Ban
Bury the Hatchet is one piece from a large work called
"Resolutions for a New Millenium." That was the working name
anyway. It took different sayings, Bury the Hatchet, A stitch
in time, Paddle your own canoe, and she interpreted them for
the 21st century.
Mine is a representative of each of the three major religions
in their "religious" dress all kneeling by a hole and the
three are bur
panam...@hotmail.com
stoney wrote:
> On 12 Oct 2006 23:22:33 -0700, panam...@hotmail.com wrote in
> alt.atheism
>
> >
> >stoney wrote:
> >> On 10 Oct 2006 21:38:11 -0700, panam...@hotmail.com wrote in
> >> alt.atheism
snippy
I kind of like it! A second sketch to put it more like you want, and
then time to throw a lil' color at it!
> I did have drafting back in the stone age (B.C. before computers) while
> in college (university). Haven't used it since the class.
Same here. Strange thing..when I draw an arrow, I still do it the way
they taught me in drafting class. <g>
stoney
alt.atheism
If I were to do it again it would be on canvas.
>> I did have drafting back in the stone age (B.C. before computers) while
>> in college (university). Haven't used it since the class.
I should have indicated 'until I did that piece.'
>Same here. Strange thing..when I draw an arrow, I still do it the way
>they taught me in drafting class. <g>
I don't. I can when need be, which hasn't come up.