Charismatic Chaos..... Are these people for real or what?...........
John Leister ( Misery Guts )
McArthur. Jr which I jsut bought a few weeks ago and have started to
read. It's a pretty heavy book and not light reading but it's worth it
to see just how odd some people's beliefs are. For example here is
what I got from page 15. It's quite funny tell me what you think....
"Recently I saw on television one lady tell how her flat tyre was
healed. Not long ago I got a letter from somebody in Florida who had
heard a wonderful testimony by a woman who had taught her do to praise
the Lord in an unknown bark.:"
Granted these two examples are pretty much isolated but it's like the
other things I've witnessed first hand, people being told they'll
marry in 14 months and that they'll get a job in the next couple of
months. I thought that was the role of crackpots like Doris Stokes and
other charletons but no here we go again kiddies. It seems the
pentecostals do stretch the limits now don't they?
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If that fails bang your head,
If that too fails,
Just do the wacky.
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Dark Fader
> When all else fails scream,
> If that fails bang your head,
> If that too fails,
> Just do the wacky.
Reminds me of the little saying ("Pome"?) we said in the service:
".....when in fear, when in doubt;
run in circles; scream and shout!.......".
Still true.
Unfortunately.
.
Mike Dobony
John Leister ( Misery Guts ) wrote in message
<36BFF799...@senet.com.au>...
>Here is a small excerpt from the book Charismatic Chaos by John E
>McArthur. Jr which I jsut bought a few weeks ago and have started to
>read. It's a pretty heavy book and not light reading but it's worth it
>to see just how odd some people's beliefs are. For example here is
>what I got from page 15. It's quite funny tell me what you think....
>
>
>"Recently I saw on television one lady tell how her flat tyre was
>healed. Not long ago I got a letter from somebody in Florida who had
>heard a wonderful testimony by a woman who had taught her do to praise
>the Lord in an unknown bark.:"
>
>Granted these two examples are pretty much isolated but it's like the
>other things I've witnessed first hand, people being told they'll
>marry in 14 months and that they'll get a job in the next couple of
>months. I thought that was the role of crackpots like Doris Stokes and
>other charletons but no here we go again kiddies. It seems the
>pentecostals do stretch the limits now don't they?
>
Written by someone who applies the absurd to the whole and also
misrepresents the facts. Yes, there are charlatans out there and a lot of
them are on TV. As far as praising "the Lord in an unknown bark," why don't
you watch some National Geographic programs on Africa. Many of the
languages sound like barking. Yet they are true languages. People
understand it even if the close-minded listener can't. How do you know that
the people will NOT get married in 14 months? How do you know they won't
get a job in a couple of months? Follow Scripture and TEST these prophecies
to judge the prophet. If these things come to pass, then they are truly a
prophet of God. If not, then these are false prophets and THEN you can
reject them, BUT NOT UNTIL YOU TEST THEM!!!!!! The false prophets do not
prove that God-given prophecy does not exist, but that false prophets exist.
There ARE real prophets out there, but they must all be tested. A real
prophet of God will not only allow testing, but insist on it.
In Christ's Love,
Michael Dobony, Evangelist
mi...@netins.net
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mike
John Leister ( Misery Guts ) wrote:
> pentecostals do stretch the limits now don't they?
>
I know a huge bunch of Pentecoastals.
They are completely nuts, and they like being nuts. (general
observation) They go to church continually and speak in tongues whenever
they are at a loss for real words. I was in a mild discussion with one
awhile ago, and all the sudden she refuted me in the brave proclamation:
"yedeballaybadedebabadadyadada o bey yadgelabedayedaayeda" *deep inhale* I
hated to tell her, so I didn't, but she inadvertently spoke some
gobbeldygook JUST LIKE one of the aliens on a Star Trek episode we saw a
few days ago. It wasn't the words of god coming out of her, it was a
Romulen or Cardassian spew.
I couldn't hide the smirk, no matter how much my face needed itching. It
was like...farting and trying to cover up any evidence you did it by
putting your hand over your huge smile. *this damn itch won't go away!*
-mike#1375
Another Mike
> They go to church continually and speak in tongues whenever
> they are at a loss for real words.
I'm afraid I have problems in using the words "church" and "pentecostal" in
the same sentence. They're brainwashed into a state of euphoria through what
one could conceivably call hypnosis.
Another Mike.
Peter Kelly
writer of our times John Leister ( Misery Guts )<joh...@senet.com.au>
did eloquently compose:
> Here is a small excerpt from the book Charismatic Chaos by John E
> McArthur. Jr which I jsut bought a few weeks ago and have started to
> read. It's a pretty heavy book and not light reading but it's worth it
> to see just how odd some people's beliefs are. For example here is
> what I got from page 15. It's quite funny tell me what you think....
>
>
> "Recently I saw on television one lady tell how her flat tyre was
> healed. Not long ago I got a letter from somebody in Florida who had
> heard a wonderful testimony by a woman who had taught her do to praise
> the Lord in an unknown bark.:"
A flat tyre. Probably a slow leak that "God" stopped going flat again
for a few days. No substitute for a real repair. Talking in tongues is
easy. Just talk gibberish and this is something that fundys do easily
anyway.
>
> Granted these two examples are pretty much isolated but it's like the
> other things I've witnessed first hand, people being told they'll
> marry in 14 months and that they'll get a job in the next couple of
> months. I thought that was the role of crackpots like Doris Stokes and
> other charletons but no here we go again kiddies. It seems the
> pentecostals do stretch the limits now don't they?
They lack any skeptical outlook. No concept of testing the
extraordinary with controlled double blind experiments. The silliest
claim I heard was of someone's leg growing two inches. The least
skeptical person would doubt this as anyone can do this by
standing and adjusting their hips.
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Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
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Peter Kelly
writer of our times Mike Dobony<mi...@netins.net> did eloquently
compose:
> There ARE real prophets out there,
Which ones? If they are REAL where is the data that led to this
conclusion?
Mike Dobony
Peter Kelly wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:03:33 -0600 that most illustrious and gifted
>writer of our times Mike Dobony<mi...@netins.net> did eloquently
>compose:
>
>> There ARE real prophets out there,
>
>Which ones? If they are REAL where is the data that led to this
>conclusion?
>
Matt 23:34, 1 Cor 12:28-29, Eph 3:5, 4:11, 1 John 4:1-3.
Since we are to test the prophets and teachers and not just reject all of
them, that means there MUST be some true prophets of God. I know of one
prophetess, and another who might have the gift of prophecy (she just got
Baptized in the Holy Spirit and has prophecied twice) and another two men
who are prophets. They speak the truth and every prediction has come true.
Also, they confess with their mouths and their lives that Jesus Christ is
their Lord.
The test of a true prophet of God is basically two-fold. 1) Confession of
the Lord Jesus Christ, in word and in deed. 2) When they predict in the
name of the Lord, they predict with 100% accuracy.
>--
>#1417 rot-13 on email reply
>Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
>Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
>-unknown
>
And Christianity is answers to questions.
Peter Kelly
compose:
>
> Peter Kelly wrote in message ...
> >On Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:03:33 -0600 that most illustrious and gifted
> >writer of our times Mike Dobony<mi...@netins.net> did eloquently
> >compose:
> >
> >> There ARE real prophets out there,
> >
> >Which ones? If they are REAL where is the data that led to this
> >conclusion?
And again. Where is the data???? The bible doesn't count as data.
> >
>
> Matt 23:34, 1 Cor 12:28-29, Eph 3:5, 4:11, 1 John 4:1-3.
You give a biblical reference? The bible does not pass any tests. It
is an interesting book of myths. Just like the Greek epics.
>
> Since we are to test the prophets and teachers and not just reject all of
> them, that means there MUST be some true prophets of God. I know of one
> prophetess, and another who might have the gift of prophecy (she just got
> Baptized in the Holy Spirit and has prophecied twice) and another two men
> who are prophets. They speak the truth and every prediction has come true.
Then they can meet the challenge at http://www.randi.org/jr/chall.html
> Also, they confess with their mouths and their lives that Jesus Christ is
> their Lord.
>
> The test of a true prophet of God is basically two-fold. 1) Confession of
> the Lord Jesus Christ, in word and in deed. 2) When they predict in the
> name of the Lord, they predict with 100% accuracy.
How come this has NEVER been proven. Please go to the above link and
collect your money. Do not rant on about "100% accuracy" until you
have collected. How can you gain any respect making such wild
unsubstantiated claims.
> >--
> >#1417 rot-13 on email reply
> >Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
> >Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
> >-unknown
> >
>
> And Christianity is answers to questions.
Incorrect answers for answers sake. Religion is for those who can't
stand uncertainty.
>
>
> In Christ's Love,
> Michael Dobony, Evangelist
> mi...@netins.net
> http://www.netins.net/showcase/gibbor/gibbor
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> The LORD mighty in battle.
He is indeed. He killed tens of thousands in the OT. The horrible
monster. see
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Psalms 24:8
>
>
>
>
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Religion is answers that may never be questioned."
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Sarcen
tongues can be described as repeating a sylable over and over, while
occasionally inserting the word "jesus" into the stream of vocal nonsense.
~|SarceN|~
#1174
mike wrote in message <36C0EC6D...@NOSPAMstudents.wisc.edu>...
>
>
>John Leister ( Misery Guts ) wrote:
>
>> pentecostals do stretch the limits now don't they?
>>
>
mike
Sarcen wrote:
> I once read an excerpt from a researchers notes that the act of speaking in
> tongues can be described as repeating a sylable over and over, while
> occasionally inserting the word "jesus" into the stream of vocal nonsense.
That pretty much fits what was said:
> yedeballaybadedebabadadyadada o bey yadgelabedayedaayeda"