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Rudy Canoza
Jan 17, 2022, 11:19:22 AM1/17/22
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On 1/17/2022 8:14 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 1/16/22 3:29 PM, William T wrote:
>> This is a good read.
>>
>> "The Electric Vehicle Scam"
No, it is bullshit from top to bottom.
>
> Looking forward to the postings of hose [sic]
You're looking forward to eating another massive bucket of shit.
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On 1/17/2022 8:14 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 1/16/22 3:29 PM, William T wrote:
>> This is a good read.
>>
>> "The Electric Vehicle Scam"
No, it is bullshit from top to bottom.
>
> Looking forward to the postings of hose [sic]
You're looking forward to eating another massive bucket of shit.
[comp.os.linux.advocacy maliciously added by cocksucking filth is removed]
Kurt Nicklas
Jan 17, 2022, 2:37:27 PM1/17/22
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On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:29:03 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>David Hartung <da...@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:28SdnVlLruJVCHj8...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>> "The utility companies have thus far had little to say about the
>>> alarming cost projections to operate electric vehicles (EVs) or the
>>> increased rates that they will be required to charge their customers.
>>> It is not just the total amount of electricity required?but the
>>> transmission lines and fast charging capacity that must be built at
>>> existing filling stations. Neither wind nor solar can support any of
>>> it. Electric vehicles will never become the mainstream of
>>> transportation!
>>>
>>> In part 1 of our exposé on the problems with electric vehicles
>>> (EVs), we showed that they were too expensive, too unreliable, rely
>>> on materials mined in China and other unfriendly countries, and
>>> require more electricity than the nation can afford. In this second
>>> part, we address other factors that will make any sensible reader
>>> avoid EVs like the plague.
>>>
>>> EV Charging Insanity
>>>
>>> In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can
>>> service in a busy 12 hours, an EV charging station would require 600,
>>> 50- watt chargers at an estimated cost of $24 million and a supply of
>>> 30 megawatts of power from the grid. That is enough to power 20,000
>>> homes. No one likely thinks about the fact that it can take 30
>>> minutes to 8 hours to recharge a vehicle between empty or just
>>> topping off. What are the drivers doing during that time?
>>>
>>> ICSC-Canada board member New Zealand-based consulting engineer Bryan
>>> Leyland describes why installing electric car charging stations in a
>>> city is impractical:
>>>
>>> “If you’ve got cars coming into a petrol station, they would stay
>>> for an average of five minutes. If you’ve got cars coming into an
>>> electric charging station, they would be at least 30 minutes,
>>> possibly an hour, but let’s say its 30 minutes. So that’s six
>>> times the surface area to park the cars while they’re being
>>> charged. So, multiply every petrol station in a city by six. Where
>>> are you going to find the place to put them?”
>>>
>>> The government of the United Kingdom is already starting to plan for
>>> power shortages caused by the charging of thousands of EVs. Starting
>>> in June 2022, the government will restrict the time of day you can
>>> charge your EV battery. To do this, they will employ smart meters
>>> that are programmed to automatically switch off EV charging in peak
>>> times to avoid potential blackouts.
>>>
>>> In particular, the latest UK chargers will be pre-set to not function
>>> during 9-hours of peak loads, from 8 am to 11 am (3-hours), and 4 pm
>>> to 10 pm (6-hours). Unbelievably, the UK technology decides when and
>>> if an EV can be charged, and even allows EV batteries to be drained
>>> into the UK grid if required. Imagine charging your car all night
>>> only to discover in the morning that your battery is flat since the
>>> state took the power back. Better keep your gas-powered car as a
>>> reliable and immediately available backup! While EV charging will be
>>> an attractive source of revenue generation for the government,
>>> American citizens will be up in arms.
>>>
>>> Used Car Market
>>>
>>> The average used EV will need a new battery before an owner can sell
>>> it, pricing them well above used internal combustion cars. The
>>> average age of an American car on the road is 12 years. A 12-year-old
>>> EV will be on its third battery. A Tesla battery typically costs
>>> $10,000 so there will not be many 12-year-old EVs on the road. Good
>>> luck trying to sell your used green fairy tale electric car!
>>>
>>> Tuomas Katainen, an enterprising Finish Tesla owner, had an
>>> imaginative solution to the battery replacement problem—he blew up
>>> his car! New York City-based Insider magazine reported (December 27,
>>> 2021):
>>>
>>> “The shop told him the faulty battery needed to be replaced, at a
>>> cost of about $22,000. In addition to the hefty fee, the work would
>>> need to be authorized by Tesla…Rather than shell out half the cost
>>> of a new Tesla to fix an old one, Katainen decided to do something
>>> different… The demolition experts from the YouTube channel
>>> Pommijätkät (Bomb Dudes) strapped 66 pounds of high explosives to
>>> the car and surrounded the area with slow-motion cameras…the 14
>>> hotdog-shaped charges erupt into a blinding ball of fire, sending a
>>> massive shockwave rippling out from the car…The videos of the
>>> explosion have a combined 5 million views.”
>>>
>>> We understand that the standard Tesla warranty does not cover
>>> “damage resulting from intentional actions,” like blowing the car
>>> up for a YouTube video.
>>>
>>> EVs Per Block In Your Neighborhood
>>>
>>> A home charging system for a Tesla requires a 75-amp service. The
>>> average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On most suburban
>>> streets the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more
>>> than three houses with a single Tesla. For half the homes on your
>>> block to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly
>>> overloaded.
>>>
>>> Batteries
>>>
>>> Although the modern lithium-ion battery is four times better than the
>>> old lead-acid battery, gasoline holds 80 times the energy density.
>>> The great lithium battery in your cell phone weighs less than an
>>> ounce while the Tesla battery weighs 1,000 pounds. And what do we get
>>> for this huge cost and weight? We get a car that is far less
>>> convenient and less useful than cars powered by internal combustion
>>> engines. Bryan Leyland explained why:
>>>
>>> “When the Model T came out, it was a dramatic improvement on the
>>> horse and cart. The electric car is a step backward into the
>>> equivalence of an ordinary car with a tiny petrol tank that takes
>>> half an hour to fill. It offers nothing in the way of convenience or
>>> extra facilities.”
>>>
>>> Our Conclusion
>>>
>>> The electric automobile will always be around in a niche market
>>> likely never exceeding 10% of the cars on the road. All automobile
>>> manufacturers are investing in their output and all will be
>>> disappointed in their sales. Perhaps they know this and will
>>> manufacture just what they know they can sell. This is certainly not
>>> what President Biden or California Governor Newsom are planning for.
>>> However, for as long as the present government is in power, they will
>>> be pushing the electric car as another means to run our lives. We
>>> have a chance to tell them exactly what we think of their expensive
>>> and dangerous plans when we go to the polls in November of 2022. "
>>
>> Looking forward to the postings of hose who will defend a move to EVs.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> The move to EV's doesn't have to be defended.
Hollowman is never able to defend anything. Nothing he believes
in "has to be defended" but he wants you to explain in detail why
you attack it.
It's his shtick. Always has been.
That's why he pretends to have me kill filed.
Don't play his game.
<noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>David Hartung <da...@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:28SdnVlLruJVCHj8...@giganews.com:
>
>> On 1/16/22 3:29 PM, William T wrote:
>>> This is a good read.
>>>
>>> "The Electric Vehicle Scam"
>>>
>>> <https://www.americaoutloud.com/the-electric-vehicle-scam/>
>> On 1/16/22 3:29 PM, William T wrote:
>>> This is a good read.
>>>
>>> "The Electric Vehicle Scam"
>>>
>>>
>>> "The utility companies have thus far had little to say about the
>>> alarming cost projections to operate electric vehicles (EVs) or the
>>> increased rates that they will be required to charge their customers.
>>> It is not just the total amount of electricity required?but the
>>> transmission lines and fast charging capacity that must be built at
>>> existing filling stations. Neither wind nor solar can support any of
>>> it. Electric vehicles will never become the mainstream of
>>> transportation!
>>>
>>> In part 1 of our exposé on the problems with electric vehicles
>>> (EVs), we showed that they were too expensive, too unreliable, rely
>>> on materials mined in China and other unfriendly countries, and
>>> require more electricity than the nation can afford. In this second
>>> part, we address other factors that will make any sensible reader
>>> avoid EVs like the plague.
>>>
>>> EV Charging Insanity
>>>
>>> In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can
>>> service in a busy 12 hours, an EV charging station would require 600,
>>> 50- watt chargers at an estimated cost of $24 million and a supply of
>>> 30 megawatts of power from the grid. That is enough to power 20,000
>>> homes. No one likely thinks about the fact that it can take 30
>>> minutes to 8 hours to recharge a vehicle between empty or just
>>> topping off. What are the drivers doing during that time?
>>>
>>> ICSC-Canada board member New Zealand-based consulting engineer Bryan
>>> Leyland describes why installing electric car charging stations in a
>>> city is impractical:
>>>
>>> “If you’ve got cars coming into a petrol station, they would stay
>>> for an average of five minutes. If you’ve got cars coming into an
>>> electric charging station, they would be at least 30 minutes,
>>> possibly an hour, but let’s say its 30 minutes. So that’s six
>>> times the surface area to park the cars while they’re being
>>> charged. So, multiply every petrol station in a city by six. Where
>>> are you going to find the place to put them?”
>>>
>>> The government of the United Kingdom is already starting to plan for
>>> power shortages caused by the charging of thousands of EVs. Starting
>>> in June 2022, the government will restrict the time of day you can
>>> charge your EV battery. To do this, they will employ smart meters
>>> that are programmed to automatically switch off EV charging in peak
>>> times to avoid potential blackouts.
>>>
>>> In particular, the latest UK chargers will be pre-set to not function
>>> during 9-hours of peak loads, from 8 am to 11 am (3-hours), and 4 pm
>>> to 10 pm (6-hours). Unbelievably, the UK technology decides when and
>>> if an EV can be charged, and even allows EV batteries to be drained
>>> into the UK grid if required. Imagine charging your car all night
>>> only to discover in the morning that your battery is flat since the
>>> state took the power back. Better keep your gas-powered car as a
>>> reliable and immediately available backup! While EV charging will be
>>> an attractive source of revenue generation for the government,
>>> American citizens will be up in arms.
>>>
>>> Used Car Market
>>>
>>> The average used EV will need a new battery before an owner can sell
>>> it, pricing them well above used internal combustion cars. The
>>> average age of an American car on the road is 12 years. A 12-year-old
>>> EV will be on its third battery. A Tesla battery typically costs
>>> $10,000 so there will not be many 12-year-old EVs on the road. Good
>>> luck trying to sell your used green fairy tale electric car!
>>>
>>> Tuomas Katainen, an enterprising Finish Tesla owner, had an
>>> imaginative solution to the battery replacement problem—he blew up
>>> his car! New York City-based Insider magazine reported (December 27,
>>> 2021):
>>>
>>> “The shop told him the faulty battery needed to be replaced, at a
>>> cost of about $22,000. In addition to the hefty fee, the work would
>>> need to be authorized by Tesla…Rather than shell out half the cost
>>> of a new Tesla to fix an old one, Katainen decided to do something
>>> different… The demolition experts from the YouTube channel
>>> Pommijätkät (Bomb Dudes) strapped 66 pounds of high explosives to
>>> the car and surrounded the area with slow-motion cameras…the 14
>>> hotdog-shaped charges erupt into a blinding ball of fire, sending a
>>> massive shockwave rippling out from the car…The videos of the
>>> explosion have a combined 5 million views.”
>>>
>>> We understand that the standard Tesla warranty does not cover
>>> “damage resulting from intentional actions,” like blowing the car
>>> up for a YouTube video.
>>>
>>> EVs Per Block In Your Neighborhood
>>>
>>> A home charging system for a Tesla requires a 75-amp service. The
>>> average house is equipped with 100-amp service. On most suburban
>>> streets the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more
>>> than three houses with a single Tesla. For half the homes on your
>>> block to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly
>>> overloaded.
>>>
>>> Batteries
>>>
>>> Although the modern lithium-ion battery is four times better than the
>>> old lead-acid battery, gasoline holds 80 times the energy density.
>>> The great lithium battery in your cell phone weighs less than an
>>> ounce while the Tesla battery weighs 1,000 pounds. And what do we get
>>> for this huge cost and weight? We get a car that is far less
>>> convenient and less useful than cars powered by internal combustion
>>> engines. Bryan Leyland explained why:
>>>
>>> “When the Model T came out, it was a dramatic improvement on the
>>> horse and cart. The electric car is a step backward into the
>>> equivalence of an ordinary car with a tiny petrol tank that takes
>>> half an hour to fill. It offers nothing in the way of convenience or
>>> extra facilities.”
>>>
>>> Our Conclusion
>>>
>>> The electric automobile will always be around in a niche market
>>> likely never exceeding 10% of the cars on the road. All automobile
>>> manufacturers are investing in their output and all will be
>>> disappointed in their sales. Perhaps they know this and will
>>> manufacture just what they know they can sell. This is certainly not
>>> what President Biden or California Governor Newsom are planning for.
>>> However, for as long as the present government is in power, they will
>>> be pushing the electric car as another means to run our lives. We
>>> have a chance to tell them exactly what we think of their expensive
>>> and dangerous plans when we go to the polls in November of 2022. "
>>
>> Looking forward to the postings of hose who will defend a move to EVs.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> The move to EV's doesn't have to be defended.
Hollowman is never able to defend anything. Nothing he believes
in "has to be defended" but he wants you to explain in detail why
you attack it.
It's his shtick. Always has been.
That's why he pretends to have me kill filed.
Don't play his game.
David Hartung
Jan 17, 2022, 7:16:30 PM1/17/22
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Rudy Canoza
Jan 21, 2022, 8:02:20 PM1/21/22
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On 1/21/2022 4:33 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 1/21/22 8:02 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> NoBody wrote:
>>
>>>> The future is electic, get used to it.
>>>
>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the electricity is going to
>>> come from
>>
>> From generators. More can be built. It will take time. The
>> transition will take longer than what some people are hoping.
>
> What will power the generator stations?
Clean energy sources.
>
>>> and how we will deal with the toxi waste of the batteries.
>>
>> The batteries will be recycled.
>
> How? From what I read, lithium batteries cannot be recycled at this time.
You have read no such thing. The batteries can be recycled.
https://www.wired.com/story/cars-going-electric-what-happens-used-batteries/
Cloud Hobbit
Jan 21, 2022, 8:56:07 PM1/21/22
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stations, they will run on solar power.
Almost every week there is a news item
about how much farther new batteries will allow
EV'S to travel on a full charge.
Almost as often are stories about faster chargers.
There are no gods unless we create them.
Mike Dolan
Jan 21, 2022, 9:32:21 PM1/21/22
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On 21 Jan 2022, Rudy Canoza <notg...@gmail.com> posted some
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Part of them can be recycled.
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BeamMeUpScotty
Jan 21, 2022, 10:45:57 PM1/21/22
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On 1/21/22 9:31 PM, Mike Dolan wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2022, Rudy Canoza <notg...@gmail.com> posted some
> news:sIIGJ.47526$4C3....@fx13.iad:
>
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>> removed]
>>
>> On 1/21/2022 4:33 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 1/21/22 8:02 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Â The future is electic, get used to it.
> On 21 Jan 2022, Rudy Canoza <notg...@gmail.com> posted some
> news:sIIGJ.47526$4C3....@fx13.iad:
>
>> [comp.os.linux.advocacy maliciously added by reactionary cocksuckers
>> removed]
>>
>> On 1/21/2022 4:33 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 1/21/22 8:02 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the electricity is going
>>>>> to come from
>>>>
>>>>  From generators. More can be built. It will take time. The
>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the electricity is going
>>>>> to come from
>>>>
>>>> transition will take longer than what some people are hoping.
>>>
>>> What will power the generator stations?
>>
>> Clean energy sources.
>>
>>>
>>>>> and how we will deal with the toxi waste of the batteries.
>>>>
>>>> The batteries will be recycled.
>>>
>>> How? From what I read, lithium batteries cannot be recycled at this
>>> time.
>>
>> You have read no such thing. The batteries can be recycled.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/cars-going-electric-what-happens-used-batte
>> ries/
>
> Part of them can be recycled.
Part of the CO2 is recycled by plants... How is that any worse?
>>>
>>> What will power the generator stations?
>>
>> Clean energy sources.
>>
>>>
>>>>> and how we will deal with the toxi waste of the batteries.
>>>>
>>>> The batteries will be recycled.
>>>
>>> How? From what I read, lithium batteries cannot be recycled at this
>>> time.
>>
>> You have read no such thing. The batteries can be recycled.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/cars-going-electric-what-happens-used-batte
>> ries/
>
> Part of them can be recycled.
--
That's karma,
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equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
*deriving their just powers from the consent* of the governed, — That
whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is
the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new
Government,"
It would seem that *MANDATES* are NOT derived from the consent of the
governed. The Constitution doesn't delegate unlimited power to mandate
the governed, become part of a medical experiment.
"This is the classic definition of a “cult,” when facts and real science
are tossed aside for beliefs that contradict the actual facts."
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Rudy Canoza
Jan 26, 2022, 5:15:39 PM1/26/22
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On 1/26/2022 1:45 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 1/26/22 13:37, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/26/2022 8:58 AM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:52:40 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 09:56:09 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:25:13 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:20:30 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 09:49:55 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 12:46:28 -0500, Yak <y...@inbox.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/19/22 12:33 PM, Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 16:40:50 -0600, chrisv
>>>>>>>>>>> <chr...@nospam.invalid> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When lots of people need to go somewhere, like
>>>>> when >> >> >> there's a >> >>>>>>> hurricane, the roads will be
>>>>> filled with >> cars >> >> with dead >> >>>>>>> batteries. I've seen
>>>>> 20 or 30 cars >> backed up >> >> around gas >> >>>>>>> stations where
>>>>> it only takes a >> few minutes to >> >> gas up. >> > > > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Things like that will keep many people
>>>>> from >> >> >> >> >>>>>> considering an EV as their only vehicle, for
>>>>> years to >> >> come. >> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and many other reasons that people will not
>>>>> consider >> >> >> owning >> >>>>> any EV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... but many are, it's growing every year. Almost
>>>>> all >> the >> >> >> >>>> "drawbacks" disappear, when applied to a
>>>>> second >> vehicle >> that >> need >> >>>> never exceed it's daily
>>>>> charge >> capacity. >> >> >> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense...All the good sales figures are "projected."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sales figures are solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for every car maker to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch to making EV's. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't include NEW electrric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car companies like Rivian and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sony and Lucid and Fisker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps they know more about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this than you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These Car Companies Are Going All-Electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAR. 31 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GM - all-electric by 2035
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volvo - all-electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford - carbon neutral by 2050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volkswagon - all electric by 2025
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota - all electric by 2040
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mercedez - all electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Audi - all electric by 2035
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nissan - all electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fiat - all electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrysler - all electric by 2028
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyundai - all electric by 2040
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.greenmatters.com/p/car-companies-electric-energy-pledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mashable.com/article/traditional-carmakers-going-all-electric-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve >> hicles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/chrysler-aims-electric-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 >> 28-82086896 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.techradar.com/news/hyundai-switches-focus-to-electric-stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> s- >> developing-petrol-diesel-engines >> > >> >> >
>>>>> Curious, >> >> what are states doing relative to electrical grids to
>>>>> be >> >> > >> able >> to handle the capacity of all these new cars?
>>>>> Because goofy >> >> >> > >> states like CA can't even handle what it
>>>>> has now with all >> its >> >> > >> rolling blackouts, and is in no
>>>>> position to deal with >> millions >> >> upon >> > millions of EVs
>>>>> taxing its electric grids. >> >> >> >> >> >> The entire push towards
>>>>> EVs is nonsense. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The future is
>>>>> of >> the >> batteries. >> Liberals really are this stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The electric grid is being expanded yearly
>>>>>>>>>> as I have already posted. Too bad you are too
>>>>>>>>>> stupid to research your own questions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50818
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't you even look at the above
>>>> citation, "Nobody"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <LOL> 46 GW is a drop in the bucket, Dummy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every state government is promoting
>>>>>>>> electric cars and believes they have
>>>>>>>> the grid capacity to handle them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <LOL> No they don't, Dummy. Many electric companies don't have the
>>>>>>> capacity to support the current demands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Repeating that disproven claim doesn't help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> When did you disprove this, Lying Lee? Please repost your citations.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since you are incapable of answering
>>>> your own questions.........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric
>>>> Vehicles Easily - They Just Need Proper
>>>> Management
>>>> Nov 13 2021
>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grids-ca
>>>> n-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/?sh=
>>>> 5d7093c77862
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Op-ed? No thanks..
>>
>> More right-wingnut knuckle-dragging fuckwit /ad hominem/.
>>
>> You didn't read it, Baa-Baa-BlueGirl (the sheep), so you can't possibly refute
>> it.
>
> You are in no position to attack others for not reading articles.
Of course I am.
You're another of the right-wingnut knuckle-dragging fuckwits who dismisses
authoritative pieces merely on the basis of who publishes them. *You* don't
cite authoritative pieces, ever. You cite right-wingnut lie sites.
> On 1/26/22 13:37, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/26/2022 8:58 AM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:52:40 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 09:56:09 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:25:13 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:20:30 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 09:49:55 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 12:46:28 -0500, Yak <y...@inbox.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/19/22 12:33 PM, Lee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 16:40:50 -0600, chrisv
>>>>>>>>>>> <chr...@nospam.invalid> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When lots of people need to go somewhere, like
>>>>> when >> >> >> there's a >> >>>>>>> hurricane, the roads will be
>>>>> filled with >> cars >> >> with dead >> >>>>>>> batteries. I've seen
>>>>> 20 or 30 cars >> backed up >> >> around gas >> >>>>>>> stations where
>>>>> it only takes a >> few minutes to >> >> gas up. >> > > > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. Things like that will keep many people
>>>>> from >> >> >> >> >>>>>> considering an EV as their only vehicle, for
>>>>> years to >> >> come. >> >> > > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...and many other reasons that people will not
>>>>> consider >> >> >> owning >> >>>>> any EV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... but many are, it's growing every year. Almost
>>>>> all >> the >> >> >> >>>> "drawbacks" disappear, when applied to a
>>>>> second >> vehicle >> that >> need >> >>>> never exceed it's daily
>>>>> charge >> capacity. >> >> >> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense...All the good sales figures are "projected."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sales figures are solid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for every car maker to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch to making EV's. And that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't include NEW electrric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> car companies like Rivian and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sony and Lucid and Fisker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps they know more about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this than you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These Car Companies Are Going All-Electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAR. 31 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GM - all-electric by 2035
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volvo - all-electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford - carbon neutral by 2050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volkswagon - all electric by 2025
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toyota - all electric by 2040
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mercedez - all electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Audi - all electric by 2035
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nissan - all electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fiat - all electric by 2030
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrysler - all electric by 2028
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hyundai - all electric by 2040
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.greenmatters.com/p/car-companies-electric-energy-pledge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://mashable.com/article/traditional-carmakers-going-all-electric-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve >> hicles >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/chrysler-aims-electric-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 >> 28-82086896 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.techradar.com/news/hyundai-switches-focus-to-electric-stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> s- >> developing-petrol-diesel-engines >> > >> >> >
>>>>> Curious, >> >> what are states doing relative to electrical grids to
>>>>> be >> >> > >> able >> to handle the capacity of all these new cars?
>>>>> Because goofy >> >> >> > >> states like CA can't even handle what it
>>>>> has now with all >> its >> >> > >> rolling blackouts, and is in no
>>>>> position to deal with >> millions >> >> upon >> > millions of EVs
>>>>> taxing its electric grids. >> >> >> >> >> >> The entire push towards
>>>>> EVs is nonsense. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The future is
>>>>> electic, get used to it. >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the electricity is
>>>>>>> going >> to >> come from and how we will deal with the toxi waste
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the electricity is
>>>>> of >> the >> batteries. >> Liberals really are this stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The electric grid is being expanded yearly
>>>>>>>>>> as I have already posted. Too bad you are too
>>>>>>>>>> stupid to research your own questions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50818
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't you even look at the above
>>>> citation, "Nobody"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <LOL> 46 GW is a drop in the bucket, Dummy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every state government is promoting
>>>>>>>> electric cars and believes they have
>>>>>>>> the grid capacity to handle them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <LOL> No they don't, Dummy. Many electric companies don't have the
>>>>>>> capacity to support the current demands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Repeating that disproven claim doesn't help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> When did you disprove this, Lying Lee? Please repost your citations.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since you are incapable of answering
>>>> your own questions.........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric
>>>> Vehicles Easily - They Just Need Proper
>>>> Management
>>>> Nov 13 2021
>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grids-ca
>>>> n-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/?sh=
>>>> 5d7093c77862
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Op-ed? No thanks..
>>
>> More right-wingnut knuckle-dragging fuckwit /ad hominem/.
>>
>> You didn't read it, Baa-Baa-BlueGirl (the sheep), so you can't possibly refute
>> it.
>
> You are in no position to attack others for not reading articles.
Of course I am.
You're another of the right-wingnut knuckle-dragging fuckwits who dismisses
authoritative pieces merely on the basis of who publishes them. *You* don't
cite authoritative pieces, ever. You cite right-wingnut lie sites.
Rudy Canoza
Jan 26, 2022, 8:20:25 PM1/26/22
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On 1/26/2022 5:14 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 1/26/22 19:10, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/26/2022 4:15 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 1/26/22 16:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/26/2022 1:43 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks as if solar and wind will account for just under 20% of
>>>>> electricity generation in 2022.
>>>>
>>>> That share is rising every year.
>>>
>>> For the moment,
>>
>> You already squandered your reply to my post. You only get one.
>
> My unconditional surrender noted.
Correct.
> On 1/26/22 19:10, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 1/26/2022 4:15 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 1/26/22 16:11, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> On 1/26/2022 1:43 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks as if solar and wind will account for just under 20% of
>>>>> electricity generation in 2022.
>>>>
>>>> That share is rising every year.
>>>
>>> For the moment,
>>
>> You already squandered your reply to my post. You only get one.
>
> My unconditional surrender noted.
Correct.
osugeo...@aol.com
Jan 26, 2022, 10:00:12 PM1/26/22
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On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 1:37:27 PM UTC-6, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:29:03 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >David Hartung <da...@Hotmail.com> wrote in
> >news:28SdnVlLruJVCHj8...@giganews.com:
> >
> >> On 1/16/22 3:29 PM, William T wrote:
> >>> This is a good read.
> >>>
> >>> "The Electric Vehicle Scam"
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.americaoutloud.com/the-electric-vehicle-scam/>
> >>>
> >>> "The utility companies have thus far had little to say about the
> >>> alarming cost projections to operate electric vehicles (EVs) or the
> >>> increased rates that they will be required to charge their customers.
> >>> It is not just the total amount of electricity required?but the
> >>> transmission lines and fast charging capacity that must be built at
> >>> existing filling stations. Neither wind nor solar can support any of
> >>> it. Electric vehicles will never become the mainstream of
> >>> transportation!
> >>>
> >>> In part 1 of our exposé on the problems with electric vehicles
> >>> (EVs), we showed that they were too expensive, too unreliable, rely
> >>> on materials mined in China and other unfriendly countries, and
> >>> require more electricity than the nation can afford. In this second
> >>> part, we address other factors that will make any sensible reader
> >>> avoid EVs like the plague.
> >>>
> >>> EV Charging Insanity
> >>>
Some simple math mistakes here:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 13:29:03 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >David Hartung <da...@Hotmail.com> wrote in
> >news:28SdnVlLruJVCHj8...@giganews.com:
> >
> >> On 1/16/22 3:29 PM, William T wrote:
> >>> This is a good read.
> >>>
> >>> "The Electric Vehicle Scam"
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.americaoutloud.com/the-electric-vehicle-scam/>
> >>>
> >>> "The utility companies have thus far had little to say about the
> >>> alarming cost projections to operate electric vehicles (EVs) or the
> >>> increased rates that they will be required to charge their customers.
> >>> It is not just the total amount of electricity required?but the
> >>> transmission lines and fast charging capacity that must be built at
> >>> existing filling stations. Neither wind nor solar can support any of
> >>> it. Electric vehicles will never become the mainstream of
> >>> transportation!
> >>>
> >>> In part 1 of our exposé on the problems with electric vehicles
> >>> (EVs), we showed that they were too expensive, too unreliable, rely
> >>> on materials mined in China and other unfriendly countries, and
> >>> require more electricity than the nation can afford. In this second
> >>> part, we address other factors that will make any sensible reader
> >>> avoid EVs like the plague.
> >>>
> >>> EV Charging Insanity
> >>>
> >>> In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can
> >>> service in a busy 12 hours, an EV charging station would require 600,
> >>> 50- watt chargers at an estimated cost of $24 million and a supply of
> >>> 30 megawatts of power from the grid.
roughly the size of four cigarette packs) would require 30 Kilowatts total, not the 30 megawatts
stated. Regardless of how many Kw of supply power required, there is a mismatch of 1000 times
between the stated power and the actual power required.
> "The average house is equipped with a 100 amp service."
Reply: 200-amp service is the current standard for new homes and updated service panels.
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
El Kabong
Jan 27, 2022, 1:12:12 AM1/27/22
to
is a more standard EV charging rate.
The article was full of other mistakes too. The author
overstated charging times. He assumed the electricity
would be too expensive, but in general it's cheaper than
gas. He assumed incorrectly that gas stations need to be
retrofitted into charging stations, but the Tesla
charging stations I've seen are at malls, big box stores,
rest areas, work places, places people stop at for a
while. He understates the battery lifetime.
It was obviously a hit piece by someone who didn't like
people using electric cars.
> > "The average house is equipped with a 100 amp service."
> Reply: 200-amp service is the current standard for new homes and updated service panels.
may be the reason for that discrepancy.
>
> Marvin Sebourn
> osugeo...@aol.com
Rudy Canoza
Jan 27, 2022, 12:23:00 PM1/27/22
to
On 1/27/2022 8:22 AM, Lee wrote:
> David Hartung wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/22 10:52, Lee wrote:
>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>
[...]
> David Hartung wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/22 10:52, Lee wrote:
>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> The electric grid is being expanded yearly
>>>>>>>>> as I have already posted. Too bad you are too
>>>>>>>>> stupid to research your own questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50818
>>
>> https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php
>>
>> It looks as if solar and wind will account for just under 20% of
>> electricity generation in 2022.
>
>
>
>
> The electric grid can handle EV's
>>>>>>>>> as I have already posted. Too bad you are too
>>>>>>>>> stupid to research your own questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50818
>>
>> https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/electricity.php
>>
>> It looks as if solar and wind will account for just under 20% of
>> electricity generation in 2022.
>
>
>
>
> which explains why state legislators
> from both parties are pushing them.
Every single fucking lie/post from the far right-wingnuts about the "grid" and
EVs is predicated on the idea that all EVs are going to be plugged in at the
same time, all requiring a full charge. That is false.
The grid can *clearly* handle the existing set of EVs...because it does. As the
number of EVs grows, and particularly as they displace fossil fuel-powered
vehicles, electricity consumption by everything involved in the *production* of
fossil fuels will decline, thereby making electricity available for other
uses...such as charging cars.
It's very important to note that right-wingnut liars like Hartung and Kremlin
Girl / Bit of Nothingness are not *really* interested in any practical
impediments to the widespread adoption of EVs. No, their opposition is
ideological. They consider global warming to be a "hoax" — it is not — and that
everyone pushing a reduction and eventual elimination of fossil fuels is just a
long-haired pinko godless "radical" Marxist commie, and that is reason enough to
the knuckle-draggers to oppose EVs. They are, of course, completely full of shit.
"The future is electric, get used to it" ~ chrisv
An obviously correct statement.
>
>
>
>
>
> Electric Vehicles Charge Ahead in Statehouses
> January 24, 2022
>
> Across the country, legislatures in
> blue and red states are considering
> bills to bolster charging infrastructure,
> expand consumer incentives, electrify
> state fleets or mandate charging stations
> in new buildings. States also will be
> tasked with deploying billions in new
> federal funds for charging stations
> approved in the new infrastructure law,
> and some legislators say they plan to
> take an active role in that strategy.
>
> “Every state is involved,” said Marc
> Geller, a board member and spokesperson
> for the Electric Vehicle Association, an
> advocacy group that promotes the adoption
> of such vehicles. “This is being taken
> seriously in a way it hasn’t been before,
> because the trajectory is very clear.”
>
> https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/
> 01/24/electric-vehicles-charge-ahead-in-statehouses
>
>
>
>
Rudy Canoza
Jan 27, 2022, 1:33:58 PM1/27/22
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On 1/27/2022 9:18 AM, Lee wrote:
> NoBody wrote:
>
> NoBody wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> The electric grid is being expanded yearly
>>>>>>>>> as I have already posted. Too bad you are too
>>>>>>>>> stupid to research your own questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50818
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> as I have already posted. Too bad you are too
>>>>>>>>> stupid to research your own questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50818
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why didn't you even look at the above
>>> citation, "Nobody"?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> To what in this chopped up thread are you responding, Lying Lee?
>>> citation, "Nobody"?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <LOL> 46 GW is a drop in the bucket, Dummy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every state government is promoting
>>>>>>> electric cars and believes they have
>>>>>>> the grid capacity to handle them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <LOL> No they don't, Dummy. Many electric companies don't have
>> the >> >> capacity to support the current demands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Repeating that disproven claim doesn't help you.
>>>>
>>>> When did you disprove this, Lying Lee? Please repost your
>> citations. >>
>>>
>>> Since you are incapable of answering
>>> your own questions.........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric
>>> Vehicles Easily - They Just Need Proper
>>> Management
>>> Nov 13 2021
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grid
>>> s-ca
>>> n-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/
>>> ?sh= 5d7093c77862
>>
>> This person talks about the UK and speculates the US. Point not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <LOL> 46 GW is a drop in the bucket, Dummy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every state government is promoting
>>>>>>> electric cars and believes they have
>>>>>>> the grid capacity to handle them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <LOL> No they don't, Dummy. Many electric companies don't have
>> the >> >> capacity to support the current demands.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Repeating that disproven claim doesn't help you.
>>>>
>>>> When did you disprove this, Lying Lee? Please repost your
>> citations. >>
>>>
>>> Since you are incapable of answering
>>> your own questions.........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric
>>> Vehicles Easily - They Just Need Proper
>>> Management
>>> Nov 13 2021
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/11/13/electricity-grid
>>> s-ca
>>> n-handle-electric-vehicles-easily--they-just-need-proper-management/
>>> ?sh= 5d7093c77862
>>
>> supported. Please try again.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "A November report sponsored by the U.S.
>>> Department of Energy found that there has
>>> been almost no increase in electricity
>>> demand nationwide over the past 10 years,
>>> while capacity has grown an average of 12
>>> gigawatts per year (1 GW can power more
>>> than half a million homes). That means
>>> energy production could climb at a similar
>>> rate and still meet even the most aggressive
>>> increase in electric vehicles, with proper
>>> planning."
>>> https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2
>>> 020/ 01/09/electric-cars-will-challenge-state-power-grids
>>
>> Oh look,
"Oh look" is not a comment from a serious adult.
>> more speculation. Please provide DATA thtat the electric
>> grid can support electric vehicles.
>
>
>
> You want further "data", look it up yourself.
I don't know how you have the patience to beat up on Kremlin Girl / Bit of
Nothingness so much. It's like fucking whack-a-mole. I think only
AlleyPussyBitch surpasses KG/BoN for narcissism and childishness. And of
course, they're both just staggeringly dishonest.
>
>
>
>
> I'm not doing your homework for you lib."
> Nobody, July 10 2018
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/GoMAUkI
> oUrE/7SzMaYTHAwAJ
>
Bill Litchfield
Jan 28, 2022, 10:05:54 AM1/28/22
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On 1/28/2022 3:54 AM, NoBody wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 04:33:38 -0800 (PST), -hh
> <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:00:40 AM UTC-5, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 06:57:14 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> nuclear? >> New HV transmission lines? NIMBY!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But windmills cause cancer. Trump
>>>>>>> said so "Nobody" believes it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh look, Lying Lee is lying about me again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No one has to lie about you, you do
>>>>> that well enough by yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop evading. Just show us that the electric grid has the capacity
>>>> for electric vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> " Everyone loses with censorship."
>>>>
>>>> Lying Lee Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:41:26 -0600, forgetting that he hasn't
>>>> spoken up about the censorship from the left.
>>> And Lying still has no answer.
>>
>> Q: guess what happens when you spam across groups but don't
>> check each one for single-group replies?
>>
>> A: you embarrass yourself because you missed that your "challenge"
>> had indeed been answered, simply by another poster:
>>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/GWj3wfVcxwQ/m/W-P_foxTAAAJ>
>>
>> TL;DR: the grid --without any infrastructure growth - already has adequate
>> off-peak capacity for 95% of the existing fleet to convert to EV, at a
>> consumption rate equivalent of driving an average of 300 miles/week.
>>
>> (FYI, 300 mi/week = 15K/yr, which is 5% more than the 2019 average).
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Please don't link to another Usenet post to "prove" your point.
Fuck off, shitstain.
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 04:33:38 -0800 (PST), -hh
> <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:00:40 AM UTC-5, NoBody wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 06:57:14 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 10:22:53 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 09:42:45 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 10:22:53 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/21/2022 07:02 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 01/21/2022 07:02 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The future is electic, get used to it.
>>>>>>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the electricity is
>>>>>>>>>> going to come from
>>>>>>>>> From generators. More can be built. It will take time. The
>>>>>>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the electricity is
>>>>>>>>>> going to come from
>>>>>>>>> transition will take longer than what some people are hoping.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> New power plants, wind, solar, traditional, or, god forbid,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> nuclear? >> New HV transmission lines? NIMBY!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But windmills cause cancer. Trump
>>>>>>> said so "Nobody" believes it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh look, Lying Lee is lying about me again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No one has to lie about you, you do
>>>>> that well enough by yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stop evading. Just show us that the electric grid has the capacity
>>>> for electric vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> " Everyone loses with censorship."
>>>>
>>>> Lying Lee Tue, 21 Dec 2021 11:41:26 -0600, forgetting that he hasn't
>>>> spoken up about the censorship from the left.
>>> And Lying still has no answer.
>>
>> Q: guess what happens when you spam across groups but don't
>> check each one for single-group replies?
>>
>> A: you embarrass yourself because you missed that your "challenge"
>> had indeed been answered, simply by another poster:
>>
>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/GWj3wfVcxwQ/m/W-P_foxTAAAJ>
>>
>> TL;DR: the grid --without any infrastructure growth - already has adequate
>> off-peak capacity for 95% of the existing fleet to convert to EV, at a
>> consumption rate equivalent of driving an average of 300 miles/week.
>>
>> (FYI, 300 mi/week = 15K/yr, which is 5% more than the 2019 average).
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Please don't link to another Usenet post to "prove" your point.
Fuck off, shitstain.
Rudy Canoza
Jan 28, 2022, 11:45:03 AM1/28/22
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On 1/27/2022 7:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote in news:Bb-dne7K0vJETm_8nZ2dnUU7-
> cXN...@giganews.com:
>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:20:30 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>> Oh look, more speculation. Please provide DATA thtat the electric
>
> Post an article, she finds some minute
> point and demands you research it. You
> provide the data, she dismisses it as
> insufficient, biased, outdated, or lacking
> in the detail only she wants. Then she
> accuses you of "fleeing" if you don't
> continue to research HER questions.
>
> There is no proof she will accept.
She is a childish bitch troll, just based on her mannerisms and posting behavior
alone:
"Oh, look..."
"<crickets.wav>"
"And Lee has fled..."
She is a clumsy, oafish practitioner of the Gish Gallop. She knows her quibbles
over corroborating evidence you offer are groundless. She also knows — or
would, if she weren't such an obnoxious and ignorant cunt — that "Rolling
Stone.....hah!" and "Now you're citing Twitter?" and her other childish /ad
hominem/ ploys are nothing but trolling.
I observed a long time ago that 99% of her posts are replies — she virtually
never initiates a thread with an original post — and of the replies, close to
50% of them are replies to her own childish moronic bitchy trolls.
I disagree with you and Lee and Bradley on most policy positions, but you're not
moronic trolling mental defectives. *All* of the far right-wingnuts are just
that: Hartung, Kremlin Girl, BlueGirl, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, AlleyPussyBitch.
They are also complete assholes — just shit character. Gak isn't a troll, but
he absolutely *is* an asshole.
>
> Such is why she is most everyone's
> killfiles now. Including mine.
>
She claims to have kill-filed me. I'm actually pretty surprised she hasn't
kill-filed Lee. Of course, if she did, there goes at least 80% of her
engagement in Usenet.
> "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote in news:Bb-dne7K0vJETm_8nZ2dnUU7-
> cXN...@giganews.com:
>
>> NoBody wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:52:40 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:52:40 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 09:56:09 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:25:13 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:25:13 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:20:30 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>>> The future is >> electic, get used to it. >> >> >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This from the guy who can't explain where the
>>> grid can support electric vehicles.
>>
>>
>>
>> You want further "data", look it up yourself.
>>
>>
>
> Don't fall into Kremlin Girls' trap.
>>
>>
>>
>> You want further "data", look it up yourself.
>>
>>
>
>
> Post an article, she finds some minute
> point and demands you research it. You
> provide the data, she dismisses it as
> insufficient, biased, outdated, or lacking
> in the detail only she wants. Then she
> accuses you of "fleeing" if you don't
> continue to research HER questions.
>
> There is no proof she will accept.
She is a childish bitch troll, just based on her mannerisms and posting behavior
alone:
"Oh, look..."
"<crickets.wav>"
"And Lee has fled..."
She is a clumsy, oafish practitioner of the Gish Gallop. She knows her quibbles
over corroborating evidence you offer are groundless. She also knows — or
would, if she weren't such an obnoxious and ignorant cunt — that "Rolling
Stone.....hah!" and "Now you're citing Twitter?" and her other childish /ad
hominem/ ploys are nothing but trolling.
I observed a long time ago that 99% of her posts are replies — she virtually
never initiates a thread with an original post — and of the replies, close to
50% of them are replies to her own childish moronic bitchy trolls.
I disagree with you and Lee and Bradley on most policy positions, but you're not
moronic trolling mental defectives. *All* of the far right-wingnuts are just
that: Hartung, Kremlin Girl, BlueGirl, #ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty, AlleyPussyBitch.
They are also complete assholes — just shit character. Gak isn't a troll, but
he absolutely *is* an asshole.
>
> Such is why she is most everyone's
> killfiles now. Including mine.
>
She claims to have kill-filed me. I'm actually pretty surprised she hasn't
kill-filed Lee. Of course, if she did, there goes at least 80% of her
engagement in Usenet.
NoBody
Jan 29, 2022, 10:04:01 AM1/29/22
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 12:49:12 -0700, Fred OInka <Fred...@invalid.com>
wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:44:56 -0800, Rudy Canoza <notg...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>Look at Rudy slurping for a friend.
Poor self-centered idiotic Rudely. He actually thinks he is relevant
in this world and demands that everyone reads his childish posts.
Psst, Rudely, you ARE in my killfile as you aren't worth the effort to
respond. I know it's difficult for you to understand but there are
people who just aren't interested in your stupidity.
wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:44:56 -0800, Rudy Canoza <notg...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
Poor self-centered idiotic Rudely. He actually thinks he is relevant
in this world and demands that everyone reads his childish posts.
Psst, Rudely, you ARE in my killfile as you aren't worth the effort to
respond. I know it's difficult for you to understand but there are
people who just aren't interested in your stupidity.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Jan 29, 2022, 10:08:59 AM1/29/22
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 10:03:56 -0500, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>Look at Rudy slurping for a friend.
>
>Poor self-centered idiotic Rudely. He actually thinks he is relevant
>in this world and demands that everyone reads his childish posts.
>Psst, Rudely, you ARE in my killfile as you aren't worth the effort to
>respond. I know it's difficult for you to understand but there are
>people who just aren't interested in your stupidity.
It can be entertaining to watch Rudy looking for attention and
>>Look at Rudy slurping for a friend.
>
>Poor self-centered idiotic Rudely. He actually thinks he is relevant
>in this world and demands that everyone reads his childish posts.
>Psst, Rudely, you ARE in my killfile as you aren't worth the effort to
>respond. I know it's difficult for you to understand but there are
>people who just aren't interested in your stupidity.
watching him get owned, over and over again.
NoBody
Jan 30, 2022, 10:38:02 AM1/30/22
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Cloud Hobbit
Jan 30, 2022, 6:45:42 PM1/30/22
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https://tinyurl.com/mr2dbbce
Electricity Grids Can Handle Electric Vehicles Easily – They Just Need Proper Management
Let’s do the same calculation for the USA. In 2020, there were 286.9 million cars registered in America. In 2020, while the US grid had 1,117.5TW of utility electricity capacity and 27.7GW of solar, according to the US Energy Information Administration. If all the cars were EVs charging at 7kW, they would need 2,008.3TW – nearly twice the grid capacity. If they charged at 50kW, they would need 14,345TW – 12.8 times the capacity.
Cloud Hobbit
Jan 30, 2022, 6:46:54 PM1/30/22
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https://www.virta.global › blog › m...
Myth buster: Electric vehicles will overload the power grid | Virta
El Kabong
Jan 30, 2022, 9:10:44 PM1/30/22
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GW, or 1.1175 TW. Did you skip the giga's?
> capacity and 27.7GW of solar, according to the US Energy
> Information Administration. If all the cars were EVs
> charging at 7kW, they would need 2,008.3TW – nearly twice
> the grid capacity. If they charged at 50kW, they would
> need 14,345TW – 12.8 times the capacity.
the time. But they are only driven so much, and they
only need so much recharging. Otherwise the extra
electrons spill out onto the pavement, and you know what
a mess that makes.
Let's make up rough numbers, you can adjust as you see
fit:
Avg car is driven 1 hr/day
Avg engine power output is about 27hp (20 kW)
That's 20 kW-hr/day energy consumption per car.
For 300 million cars, that's 6,000 GW-hr or 6 TW-hr/day
If you spread charging over a 24 hr period, and ignore
charger/battery and transmission inefficiencies, you need
250 GW, or (using my number) 22.4% of present total
electric generating capacity.
For sure we need more generating capacity, and more
transmission capacity to carry it. Electric utilities
must know that, and there's new revenue in it for them.
Plus, in most of the US, electricity is cheaper than
gasoline.
A lot of power is still generated from gas and coal,
which only shifts the carbon emission to the utility.
In any case we can't continue using internal combustion
engines, or humans won't survive.
Rudy Canoza
Feb 2, 2022, 2:09:09 PM2/2/22
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On 2/2/2022 10:59 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8283134/
> [...]
> Economically viable electric vehicle lithium-ion battery recycling is
> increasingly needed; however routes to profitability are still unclear.
> [...]
> The widespread implementation of LIB recycling is hampered by insufficient
> recycling efficiencies, environmental impacts, safety hazards and logistical
> challenges, such as collection and transportation (Gaines et al., 2018; Harper
> et al., 2019; Yun et al., 2018). A large variety of pack designs and battery
> chemistries further add to the complexity of recycling (Chitre et al., 2020).
> Given the currently rather low number of End-of-Life (EoL) EV LIBs, recycling
> costs are still high and profits low, discouraging EV and battery manufacturers
> from pursuing the recycling of retired batteries effectively (Heelan et al.,
> 2016; Rohr et al., 2017).
> [...]
>
> In other words, we are making progress but we aren't there yet.
We're well on our way to being there.
You're pretending to be objecting to EVs based on practical concerns, but we
know that's only a smokescreen. Your real and shameful objection is that you
stupidly believe anthropogenic global warming is a "hoax" and that attempting to
halt and reverse it is only a "radical socialist" plot to seize control of the
economy. As always, you're working strenuously to be stupid, and you're succeeding.
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8283134/
> [...]
> Economically viable electric vehicle lithium-ion battery recycling is
> increasingly needed; however routes to profitability are still unclear.
> [...]
> The widespread implementation of LIB recycling is hampered by insufficient
> recycling efficiencies, environmental impacts, safety hazards and logistical
> challenges, such as collection and transportation (Gaines et al., 2018; Harper
> et al., 2019; Yun et al., 2018). A large variety of pack designs and battery
> chemistries further add to the complexity of recycling (Chitre et al., 2020).
> Given the currently rather low number of End-of-Life (EoL) EV LIBs, recycling
> costs are still high and profits low, discouraging EV and battery manufacturers
> from pursuing the recycling of retired batteries effectively (Heelan et al.,
> 2016; Rohr et al., 2017).
> [...]
>
> In other words, we are making progress but we aren't there yet.
We're well on our way to being there.
You're pretending to be objecting to EVs based on practical concerns, but we
know that's only a smokescreen. Your real and shameful objection is that you
stupidly believe anthropogenic global warming is a "hoax" and that attempting to
halt and reverse it is only a "radical socialist" plot to seize control of the
economy. As always, you're working strenuously to be stupid, and you're succeeding.
Rudy Canoza
Feb 3, 2022, 1:16:24 PM2/3/22
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On 2/3/2022 10:00 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 2/2/22 07:19, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 2/1/22 15:38, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 10:33:49 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The blackouts happen EVERY year. Regardless, let's say that
>>>>>>> forest >> >> fires cause rolling blackouts every year. The
>>>>> electric >> cars won't >> be >> able to be charged WILL THEY?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neither will gas cars (gas pumps requre
>>>>>>>>>> electricity to work no duh)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Lying Lee has difficulty comprehending the subject....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guess who can't comprehend that power
>>>>>>>> cuts affect ALL cars, not just EVs......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not in the same way. The affect EVs much more than gas and diesel
>>>>>>> vehicles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. No power for charging stations
>>>>>> the same as no power for gas pumps. Why
>>>>>> can't you understand that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except there are hundred of thousand of gas stations which only
>>>>> require a few minutes to fill up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there are MILLIONS of garages
>>>> with electrical outlets that can charge
>>>> electric cars overnight.
>>>
>>> What about those who live in an apartment and have to park in an open parking
>>> lot?
>>
>> The truth is that Electric vehicles may well have a major place in our future,
>> but not until some major issues are dealt with. The biggest as I see it are:
>>
>> Range, the average range of an electric vehicle appears to be under 200 miles
>> (https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/range-electric-car).
>>
>> Availability of charging stations.
>>
>> Charging time: even with a quick charge, it takes several times longer to
>> recharge an EV than to gas up a conventional car.
>>
>> Electric grid capacity: Can or will grid capacity grow quickly enough to keep
>> up with EV demand?
>>
>> Cost: Without government tax credits, EVs are significantly more expensive
>> than conventional cars.
>>
>> Disposal of old batteries: At this time we do not have a commercially viable
>> process for recycling lithium ion batteries.
>>
>>
>> I have no doubt that most or all of these issues will eventually be resolved,
>> but those resolutions are years down the road.
>>
>>
>> There is also an issue of the environmental and social cost of extracting the
>> needed materials from the earth.
>
> How will lost gas tax revenue be made up? Will there be a new tax on electricity?
More bad-faith quibbling. You don't *really* care about how the revenues will
be made up. This is just more "...and another thing!" phony objections. Your
*real* objection, as I have already elaborated, is that you think anthropogenic
global warming is a "hoax" pushed by "radical Marxists" who are only using it as
a pretext to "take over the economy." That's what you think. Mostly you tell
us that indirectly, but you've edged damned fucking close to saying it
literally. We know what you think — you reveal it to us.
In fact, forward-looking states, like California, are already looking to replace
fuel taxes with mileage taxes. The more miles you drive, the more tax you pay.
That is equitable. If you're driving a lot more than others, you're deriving
much greater benefit from the roads, which need to be maintained. You ought to
pay more.
> On 2/2/22 07:19, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 2/1/22 15:38, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 2/1/22 14:04, Lee wrote:
>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:55:12 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Feb 2022 10:25:45 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:55:12 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 10:33:49 -0600, "Lee" <cle...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote: >>
>>>>>>>>>> NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The blackouts happen EVERY year. Regardless, let's say that
>>>>>>> forest >> >> fires cause rolling blackouts every year. The
>>>>> electric >> cars won't >> be >> able to be charged WILL THEY?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neither will gas cars (gas pumps requre
>>>>>>>>>> electricity to work no duh)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Lying Lee has difficulty comprehending the subject....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guess who can't comprehend that power
>>>>>>>> cuts affect ALL cars, not just EVs......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not in the same way. The affect EVs much more than gas and diesel
>>>>>>> vehicles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. No power for charging stations
>>>>>> the same as no power for gas pumps. Why
>>>>>> can't you understand that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Except there are hundred of thousand of gas stations which only
>>>>> require a few minutes to fill up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there are MILLIONS of garages
>>>> with electrical outlets that can charge
>>>> electric cars overnight.
>>>
>>> What about those who live in an apartment and have to park in an open parking
>>> lot?
>>
>> The truth is that Electric vehicles may well have a major place in our future,
>> but not until some major issues are dealt with. The biggest as I see it are:
>>
>> Range, the average range of an electric vehicle appears to be under 200 miles
>> (https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/range-electric-car).
>>
>> Availability of charging stations.
>>
>> Charging time: even with a quick charge, it takes several times longer to
>> recharge an EV than to gas up a conventional car.
>>
>> Electric grid capacity: Can or will grid capacity grow quickly enough to keep
>> up with EV demand?
>>
>> Cost: Without government tax credits, EVs are significantly more expensive
>> than conventional cars.
>>
>> Disposal of old batteries: At this time we do not have a commercially viable
>> process for recycling lithium ion batteries.
>>
>>
>> I have no doubt that most or all of these issues will eventually be resolved,
>> but those resolutions are years down the road.
>>
>>
>> There is also an issue of the environmental and social cost of extracting the
>> needed materials from the earth.
>
> How will lost gas tax revenue be made up? Will there be a new tax on electricity?
More bad-faith quibbling. You don't *really* care about how the revenues will
be made up. This is just more "...and another thing!" phony objections. Your
*real* objection, as I have already elaborated, is that you think anthropogenic
global warming is a "hoax" pushed by "radical Marxists" who are only using it as
a pretext to "take over the economy." That's what you think. Mostly you tell
us that indirectly, but you've edged damned fucking close to saying it
literally. We know what you think — you reveal it to us.
In fact, forward-looking states, like California, are already looking to replace
fuel taxes with mileage taxes. The more miles you drive, the more tax you pay.
That is equitable. If you're driving a lot more than others, you're deriving
much greater benefit from the roads, which need to be maintained. You ought to
pay more.
Rudy Canoza
Feb 3, 2022, 2:08:07 PM2/3/22
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On 2/3/2022 10:31 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> How will lost gas tax revenue be made up? Will there be a new tax on
>>> electricity?
>>
>> More bad-faith quibbling. You don't *really* care about how the revenues will
>> be made up. This is just more "...and another thing!" phony objections. Your
>> *real* objection, as I have already elaborated, is that you think
>> anthropogenic global warming is a "hoax" pushed by "radical Marxists" who are
>> only using it as a pretext to "take over the economy." That's what you
>> think. Mostly you tell us that indirectly, but you've edged damned fucking
>> close to saying it literally. We know what you think — you reveal it to us.
>
> I asked a valid question, your response was to engage in an ad-hominem attack.
>>> How will lost gas tax revenue be made up? Will there be a new tax on
>>> electricity?
>>
>> More bad-faith quibbling. You don't *really* care about how the revenues will
>> be made up. This is just more "...and another thing!" phony objections. Your
>> *real* objection, as I have already elaborated, is that you think
>> anthropogenic global warming is a "hoax" pushed by "radical Marxists" who are
>> only using it as a pretext to "take over the economy." That's what you
>> think. Mostly you tell us that indirectly, but you've edged damned fucking
>> close to saying it literally. We know what you think — you reveal it to us.
>
First of all, the comma is, as almost always, wrong. You are terminally stupid
and will never learn.
Secondly, you don't "ask" a question — you *pose* a question. If you pose a
question, then you have asked something, but you don't "ask" a question.
Thirdly, it was *not* a valid question. It was a question posed in 100% bad
faith, *exactly* as I said. You really do think that AGW is a "hoax" pushed by
"radical Marxists" who are only using it as a pretext to "take over the
economy." That is *exactly* what you think, and it is not in any way /ad
hominem/ for me to point that out (because it's true) and to trash your
bad-faith question based on it.
Now fuck off, shitbag (also not /ad hominem/ because I didn't say it in place of
an argument — it is supplementary to my excellent argument).
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