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RichTravsky
Jan 26, 2012, 3:57:52 PM1/26/12
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Jason wrote:
>
> In article <4F1CC861...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
>
> > DanielSan wrote:
> > >
> > > On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> > >
> > > > For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evidence of Noah's
> > > > Flood.
> > >
> > > Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers carve them and
> > they also form through uplift.
>
> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of valleys. Noah's
> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
>
> In article <4F1CC861...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> <traR...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
>
> > DanielSan wrote:
> > >
> > > On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> > >
> > > > For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evidence of Noah's
> > > > Flood.
> > >
> > > Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers carve them and
> > they also form through uplift.
>
> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of valleys. Noah's
> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
DanielSan
Jan 26, 2012, 6:18:39 PM1/26/12
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time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a man
named Utnapishtim.
Utnapishtim was a trader. He dealt in alcohol, grain, an animals. He
took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villages. He was
massively in debt to his creditors. When a local flood threatened his
trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed them out
to sea. They went so far out to see that they couldn't see land
anywhere around them.
While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the animals and
grain. When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim went ashore, they
were in a different country. Fearing retribution from his creditors
(they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the different
country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the animals of the
world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see any land
(assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest of
mountains). It was also where the idea that Noah was a drunkard came from.
Nothing supernatural. Just man embellishing a story over and over again
until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. Game of
telephone, y'know?
Jason
Jan 27, 2012, 2:39:59 AM1/27/12
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In article <jfsn0j$jk2$3...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories about a
worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that you
posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed down from
generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my guess
that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that you
posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed down from
generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my guess
that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
Devils Advocaat
Jan 27, 2012, 2:43:56 AM1/27/12
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On Jan 27, 7:39 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
Some have no survivors.
Some have only people surviving.
Some have only two people surviving.
The reason and cause for the flood are different.
The list of differences is long.
But I am sure you get my drift.
> In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > Jason wrote:
>
> > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > Jason wrote:
>
> > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
Some have no survivors.
Some have only people surviving.
Some have only two people surviving.
The reason and cause for the flood are different.
The list of differences is long.
But I am sure you get my drift.
Jason
Jan 27, 2012, 3:26:56 AM1/27/12
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In article
<e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 7:39=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =A0wrote:
> =A0He
> > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villages. =A0He wa=
> s
> > > massively in debt to his creditors. =A0When a local flood threatened hi=
> ey
> > > were in a different country. =A0Fearing retribution from his creditors
> from.
> >
> > > Nothing supernatural. =A0Just man embellishing a story over and over ag=
> ain
> > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =A0Game of
<e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 7:39=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> >
> > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evidence of Noa=
> > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> h's
> > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers carve them =
> > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> and
> > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of valleys. Noa=
> > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> h's
> > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly exaggerated over
> > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a man
> > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =A0He dealt in alcohol, grain, an animals. =
> > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly exaggerated over
> > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a man
> > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> =A0He
> > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villages. =A0He wa=
> s
> > > massively in debt to his creditors. =A0When a local flood threatened hi=
> s
> > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed them out
> > > to sea. =A0They went so far out to see that they couldn't see land
> > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed them out
> > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the animals and
> > > grain. =A0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim went ashore, th=
> >
> > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the animals and
> ey
> > > were in a different country. =A0Fearing retribution from his creditors
> > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the different
> > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the animals of the
> > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see any lan=
> > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the animals of the
> d
> > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest of
> > > mountains). =A0It was also where the idea that Noah was a drunkard came=
> > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest of
> from.
> >
> > > Nothing supernatural. =A0Just man embellishing a story over and over ag=
> ain
> > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =A0Game of
> > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories about a
> > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that you
> > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed down from
> > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my guess
> > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
>
> Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
>
> However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
>
> Some have no survivors.
>
> Some have only people surviving.
>
> Some have only two people surviving.
>
> The reason and cause for the flood are different.
>
> The list of differences is long.
>
> But I am sure you get my drift.
Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.
> >
> > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories about a
> > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that you
> > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed down from
> > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my guess
> > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
>
> Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
>
> However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
>
> Some have no survivors.
>
> Some have only people surviving.
>
> Some have only two people surviving.
>
> The reason and cause for the flood are different.
>
> The list of differences is long.
>
> But I am sure you get my drift.
Wombat
Jan 27, 2012, 6:43:58 AM1/27/12
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On Jan 27, 9:26 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
snip
Egyptians didn't have a Noah-style flood. In fact, about the time
they should have been drowning they were in the middle of a drought.
It caused the fall of the Old Kingdom and an interregnum before the
rise of the New Kingdom. The chaos was recorded in a tomb built
during the interregnum. Meanwhile the Chinese, Indians and the people
of Skara Brae went about their business unaware that they were
drowning.
snip
>
> > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories about a
> > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that you
> > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
>
> > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed down from
> > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my guess
> > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
>
> > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
>
> > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
>
> > Some have no survivors.
>
> > Some have only people surviving.
>
> > Some have only two people surviving.
>
> > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
>
> > The list of differences is long.
>
> > But I am sure you get my drift.
>
> Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.
Yes, like the bit about being flooded with water. AFAIK, the ancient
> > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories about a
> > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that you
> > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
>
> > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed down from
> > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my guess
> > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
>
> > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
>
> > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
>
> > Some have no survivors.
>
> > Some have only people surviving.
>
> > Some have only two people surviving.
>
> > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
>
> > The list of differences is long.
>
> > But I am sure you get my drift.
>
> Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.
Egyptians didn't have a Noah-style flood. In fact, about the time
they should have been drowning they were in the middle of a drought.
It caused the fall of the Old Kingdom and an interregnum before the
rise of the New Kingdom. The chaos was recorded in a tomb built
during the interregnum. Meanwhile the Chinese, Indians and the people
of Skara Brae went about their business unaware that they were
drowning.
Devils Advocaat
Jan 27, 2012, 10:22:07 AM1/27/12
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> <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
You obviously don't get my drift.
The stories all differ on the major points.
The stories all differ on the major points.
Free Lunch
Jan 27, 2012, 10:43:23 AM1/27/12
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:39:59 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
I know for a fact that no such flood ever happened. There is physical
evidence everywhere that shows that it could not have happened. Stop
repeating the lies of frauds who are trying to con you out of money.
alt.talk.creationism:
evidence everywhere that shows that it could not have happened. Stop
repeating the lies of frauds who are trying to con you out of money.
Free Lunch
Jan 27, 2012, 10:43:49 AM1/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:26:56 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Water.
You really need to stop worshipping the lies you tell.
alt.talk.creationism:
You really need to stop worshipping the lies you tell.
harry k
Jan 27, 2012, 11:08:22 AM1/27/12
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On Jan 26, 11:39 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
>
>
>
>
>
> In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
>
>
>
>
>
> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > Jason wrote:
>
> > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > Jason wrote:
>
> > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well when it comes to evidence: Your posts in the historical record
show that what you "believe" is wrong just about 100% of the time.
Why don't you ask your parish priest what the RCC says about a literal
bible?
Harry K
harry k
Jan 27, 2012, 11:09:44 AM1/27/12
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> <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide quoted text -
have boat.
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
About the only "similar" is they all involve water. many don't even
> - Show quoted text -
have boat.
Harry K
harry k
Jan 27, 2012, 11:11:37 AM1/27/12
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> <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
Harry K
> Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jason: Please address the point about the earth being in total
>
> - Show quoted text -
darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
Harry K
Jason
Jan 27, 2012, 7:11:41 PM1/27/12
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In article
<6f0d6968-b26c-4f29...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:26=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Noa=3D
> hem =3D
> Noa=3D
> ls. =3D
> > > =3DA0He
> > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villages. =3DA=
> 0He wa=3D
> > > s
> > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3DA0When a local flood threate=
> ned hi=3D
> > > s
> > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed them=
> out
> > > > > to sea. =3DA0They went so far out to see that they couldn't see lan=
> d
> > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the animals=
> and
> > > > > grain. =3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim went asho=
> re, th=3D
> > > ey
> > > > > were in a different country. =3DA0Fearing retribution from his cred=
> itors
> > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the differen=
> e
> > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see any=
> lan=3D
> d came=3D
> > > =A0from.
> >
> > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3DA0Just man embellishing a story over and o=
> ver ag=3D
> > > ain
> > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =3DA0Game=
> of
> > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories abou=
> t a
> > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that =
> from
> > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my gue=
rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
<6f0d6968-b26c-4f29...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:26=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3DA0wrote:
> > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> >
> > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evidence of=
> > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> Noa=3D
> > > h's
> > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers carve t=
> > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> hem =3D
> > > and
> > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of valleys.=
> > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> Noa=3D
> > > h's
> > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly exaggerated o=
> > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> ver
> > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a man
> > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3DA0He dealt in alcohol, grain, an anima=
> > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a man
> > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> ls. =3D
> > > =3DA0He
> > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villages. =3DA=
> 0He wa=3D
> > > s
> > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3DA0When a local flood threate=
> ned hi=3D
> > > s
> > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed them=
> out
> > > > > to sea. =3DA0They went so far out to see that they couldn't see lan=
> d
> > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the animals=
> and
> > > > > grain. =3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim went asho=
> re, th=3D
> > > ey
> > > > > were in a different country. =3DA0Fearing retribution from his cred=
> itors
> > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the differen=
> t
> > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the animals of th=
> > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> e
> > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see any=
> lan=3D
> > > d
> > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest of
> > > > > mountains). =3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah was a drunkar=
> > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest of
> d came=3D
> > > =A0from.
> >
> > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3DA0Just man embellishing a story over and o=
> ver ag=3D
> > > ain
> > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =3DA0Game=
> of
> > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories abou=
> t a
> > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story that =
> you
> > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed down =
> > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> from
> > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my gue=
> ss
> > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
> >
> > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide quoted te=
> > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stories.
> >
> > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> xt -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Jason: Please address the point about the earth being in total
> darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
>
> Harry K
I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered with
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Jason: Please address the point about the earth being in total
> darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
>
> Harry K
rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
tirebiter
Jan 27, 2012, 7:44:08 PM1/27/12
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> <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
This idiocy goes beyond being stupid and a liar. And make no mistake,
you are both.
It is pure insanity. Even if you don't believe it.
Your crazy claim of a canopy that can hold enough water to flood the
whole planet up to 30,000 feet above sea level is much more than a
thunderstorm on a rainy day.
Do you have no capacity to understand the scale of things? Even
something this massive?
You are a stupid, lying, insane, racist bigot.
Why do you insist on behaving this way?
---
a.a. #2273
you are both.
It is pure insanity. Even if you don't believe it.
Your crazy claim of a canopy that can hold enough water to flood the
whole planet up to 30,000 feet above sea level is much more than a
thunderstorm on a rainy day.
Do you have no capacity to understand the scale of things? Even
something this massive?
You are a stupid, lying, insane, racist bigot.
Why do you insist on behaving this way?
---
a.a. #2273
Jeanne Douglas
Jan 27, 2012, 8:16:37 PM1/27/12
to
In article
<Jason-27011...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
No, it wasn't.
The only thing that could approach the darkness of that much water in
the sky would be the bottom of the Marianas Trench. How much light is
there at the bottom of the trench?
That's how much light there would be beneath a canopy of water thick
enough to flood the Earth to the height of Mt. Everest.
--
JD
"the lybian lier"
<Jason-27011...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
The only thing that could approach the darkness of that much water in
the sky would be the bottom of the Marianas Trench. How much light is
there at the bottom of the trench?
That's how much light there would be beneath a canopy of water thick
enough to flood the Earth to the height of Mt. Everest.
--
JD
"the lybian lier"
harry k
Jan 27, 2012, 11:36:49 PM1/27/12
to
> <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
the form of vapor.
Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> - Show quoted text -
water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
the form of vapor.
Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
Harry K
Wombat
Jan 28, 2012, 2:32:27 AM1/28/12
to
> <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
Now factor in the vapour needed for 29,000 feet of water. Result -
black. Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. The pupils
were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and the
like. BTW, it didn't rain.
black. Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. The pupils
were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and the
like. BTW, it didn't rain.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 3:27:43 AM1/28/12
to
In article
<40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:11=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> e of=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> ve t=3D
> > > hem =3D3D
> eys.=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> ed o=3D
> > > ver
> > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a=
> man
> > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3DA0He dealt in alcohol, grain, an=
> anima=3D
> > > ls. =3D3D
> > > > > =3D3DA0He
> > > 0He wa=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3DA0When a local flood t=
> hreate=3D
> > > ned hi=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed =
> them=3D
> > > =A0out
> > > > > > > to sea. =3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they couldn't s=
> ee lan=3D
> > > d
> > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the ani=
> mals=3D
> > > =A0and
> > > > > > > grain. =3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim wen=
> t asho=3D
> > > re, th=3D3D
> > > > > ey
> > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3DA0Fearing retribution from hi=
> s cred=3D
> > > itors
> > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the diff=
> eren=3D
> f th=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see=
> any=3D
> > > =A0lan=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest o=
> f
> > > > > > > mountains). =3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah was a d=
> runkar=3D
> > > d came=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3DA0Just man embellishing a story over=
> and o=3D
> > > ver ag=3D3D
> > > > > ain
> > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =3D3D=
> A0Game=3D
> > > =A0of
> > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories =
> abou=3D
> > > t a
> > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story t=
> hat =3D
> own =3D
> > > from
> > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my=
> gue=3D
> > > ss
> > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stori=
> d te=3D
<40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:11=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 12:26=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3DA0wrote:
> > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> >
> > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evidenc=
> > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> e of=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> > > > > h's
> > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers car=
> > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> ve t=3D
> > > hem =3D3D
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> > > > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of vall=
> > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> eys.=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> > > > > h's
> > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly exaggerat=
> > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> ed o=3D
> > > ver
> > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a=
> man
> > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3DA0He dealt in alcohol, grain, an=
> anima=3D
> > > ls. =3D3D
> > > > > =3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villages. =
> =3D3DA=3D
> > > 0He wa=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3DA0When a local flood t=
> hreate=3D
> > > ned hi=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed =
> them=3D
> > > =A0out
> > > > > > > to sea. =3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they couldn't s=
> ee lan=3D
> > > d
> > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the ani=
> mals=3D
> > > =A0and
> > > > > > > grain. =3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim wen=
> t asho=3D
> > > re, th=3D3D
> > > > > ey
> > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3DA0Fearing retribution from hi=
> s cred=3D
> > > itors
> > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the diff=
> eren=3D
> > > t
> > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the animals o=
> > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> f th=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see=
> any=3D
> > > =A0lan=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest o=
> f
> > > > > > > mountains). =3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah was a d=
> runkar=3D
> > > d came=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3DA0Just man embellishing a story over=
> and o=3D
> > > ver ag=3D3D
> > > > > ain
> > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =3D3D=
> A0Game=3D
> > > =A0of
> > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories =
> abou=3D
> > > t a
> > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story t=
> hat =3D
> > > you
> > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed d=
> > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> own =3D
> > > from
> > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my=
> gue=3D
> > > ss
> > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stori=
> es.
> >
> > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> > > > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide quote=
> >
> > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> d te=3D
> > > xt -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Jason: =A0Please address the point about the earth being in total
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered with
> > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
> > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
>
> Now factor in the vapour needed for 29,000 feet of water. Result -
> black. Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
> clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. The pupils
> were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and the
> like. BTW, it didn't rain.
I don't know how thick the canopy was.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered with
> > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
> > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
>
> Now factor in the vapour needed for 29,000 feet of water. Result -
> black. Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
> clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. The pupils
> were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and the
> like. BTW, it didn't rain.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 3:28:55 AM1/28/12
to
In article
<f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 4:11=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> e of=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> eys.=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> ed o=3D
> > > ver
> > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a=
> man
> > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > 0He wa=3D3D
> > > > > s
> ee lan=3D
> > > d
> > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the diff=
> eren=3D
> f th=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see=
> any=3D
> > > =A0lan=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =3D3D=
> A0Game=3D
> > > =A0of
> > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories =
> abou=3D
> > > t a
> > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story t=
> hat =3D
> own =3D
> > > from
> > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my=
> gue=3D
> > > ss
> > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stori=
> d te=3D
<f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 4:11=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 12:26=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3DA0wrote:
> > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravsky
> >
> > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evidenc=
> > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> e of=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> > > > > h's
> > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers car=
> ve t=3D
> > > hem =3D3D
> ve t=3D
> > > hem =3D3D
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> > > > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of vall=
> > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> eys.=3D
> > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> > > > > h's
> > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly exaggerat=
> > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyons.
> >
> > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> ed o=3D
> > > ver
> > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh with a=
> man
> > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3DA0He dealt in alcohol, grain, an=
> anima=3D
> > > ls. =3D3D
> > > > > =3D3DA0He
> anima=3D
> > > ls. =3D3D
> > > > > =3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villages. =
> =3D3DA=3D
> > > 0He wa=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3DA0When a local flood t=
> hreate=3D
> > > ned hi=3D3D
> > > > > s
> hreate=3D
> > > ned hi=3D3D
> > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood washed =
> them=3D
> > > =A0out
> > > > > > > to sea. =3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they couldn't s=
> them=3D
> > > =A0out
> ee lan=3D
> > > d
> > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the ani=
> mals=3D
> > > =A0and
> > > > > > > grain. =3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim wen=
> t asho=3D
> > > re, th=3D3D
> > > > > ey
> mals=3D
> > > =A0and
> > > > > > > grain. =3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim wen=
> t asho=3D
> > > re, th=3D3D
> > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3DA0Fearing retribution from hi=
> s cred=3D
> > > itors
> s cred=3D
> > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the diff=
> eren=3D
> > > t
> > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the animals o=
> > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> f th=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to see=
> any=3D
> > > =A0lan=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the tallest o=
> f
> > > > > > > mountains). =3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah was a d=
> runkar=3D
> > > d came=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3DA0Just man embellishing a story over=
> and o=3D
> > > ver ag=3D3D
> > > > > ain
> f
> > > > > > > mountains). =3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah was a d=
> runkar=3D
> > > d came=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3DA0Just man embellishing a story over=
> and o=3D
> > > ver ag=3D3D
> > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =3D3D=
> A0Game=3D
> > > =A0of
> > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stories =
> abou=3D
> > > t a
> > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the story t=
> hat =3D
> > > you
> > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were passed d=
> > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> own =3D
> > > from
> > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It's my=
> gue=3D
> > > ss
> > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those stori=
> es.
> >
> > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> > > > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide quote=
> >
> > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic of
> > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> d te=3D
> > > xt -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > Jason: =A0Please address the point about the earth being in total
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered with
> > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
> > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
> the form of vapor.
>
> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
> scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> Harry K
I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered with
> > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
> > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
>
> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
> the form of vapor.
>
> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
> scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> Harry K
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:22:31 AM1/28/12
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In article <hlwdjsd-D46EF7...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Jeanne
I don't know how thick the canopy was prior to Noah's flood. I have seen
it rain for 7 days in a row. Where did all of that rain water come from?
it rain for 7 days in a row. Where did all of that rain water come from?
Devils Advocaat
Jan 28, 2012, 4:29:41 AM1/28/12
to
Wombat
Jan 28, 2012, 4:58:56 AM1/28/12
to
> <40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24-a76c-10db01e2e...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
Wombat
Jan 28, 2012, 5:02:09 AM1/28/12
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> > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered with
> > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
> > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> > kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
> > the form of vapor.
>
> > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
> > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > Harry K
>
> I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a flash
> > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> > kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
> > the form of vapor.
>
> > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
> > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > Harry K
>
> I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
of light from the surface.
David Fritzinger
Jan 28, 2012, 7:00:49 AM1/28/12
to
In article
<Jason-27011...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Did the clouds you saw hold enough water to completely cover the earth,
up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
ocean is the sunlight completely gone. HInt: it is a lot less than 5
miles.
<Jason-27011...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
ocean is the sunlight completely gone. HInt: it is a lot less than 5
miles.
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 7:43:05 AM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:28:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article
><f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
>k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
...
>> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
>> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>>
>> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
>> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
>> the form of vapor.
>>
>> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
>> scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>>
>> Harry K
>
>I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
You refuse to believe anything anyone ever tells you about science that
you get wrong and make pathetic excuses like your 'deep sea fishing' one
here, but you will believe any lie that the criminal con men at ICR or
AIG tell.
Why do you worship liars like Ken Ham?
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article
><f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
>k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
>> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>>
>> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
>> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
>> the form of vapor.
>>
>> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
>> scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>>
>> Harry K
>
>I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
you get wrong and make pathetic excuses like your 'deep sea fishing' one
here, but you will believe any lie that the criminal con men at ICR or
AIG tell.
Why do you worship liars like Ken Ham?
Mitchell Holman
Jan 28, 2012, 11:49:07 AM1/28/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> I don't know how thick the canopy was prior to Noah's flood.
Even the Bible doesn't claim there was any "canopy".
That is just pure conjecture.
news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> I don't know how thick the canopy was prior to Noah's flood.
That is just pure conjecture.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 28, 2012, 11:55:30 AM1/28/12
to
else with lots of dives has seen: Virtually all marine
plant life is in the first 30 feet of water. By 60 feet
there is very little. By 100 feet there is none at all.
Now, tell us how the marine plants AND the creatures
that depend on it could have survived being under miles
of water for months.
Or, post your usual "God must have made a miracle
happen" response.
harry k
Jan 28, 2012, 2:43:49 PM1/28/12
to
> <40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24-a76c-10db01e2e...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> I don't know how thick the canopy was.- Hide quoted text -
penetrate past 200 m and then apply a bit of common sense to how thick
the canopy had to be...not in exact terms but in fundy terms, THICK!
or mayby VERY THICK! or "my god! it would have to be at least
thousands of feet thick".
Of course you can always fall back on.
"There was a flud, my bible tells me so"
In which case quite trying to explain it and jsut say "goddidit' which
leaves you looking like a fool also by not the damn fool you showing
yourself tobe now.
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
YOu don't have to "know" it. all you need to know is that light won't
> - Show quoted text -
penetrate past 200 m and then apply a bit of common sense to how thick
the canopy had to be...not in exact terms but in fundy terms, THICK!
or mayby VERY THICK! or "my god! it would have to be at least
thousands of feet thick".
Of course you can always fall back on.
"There was a flud, my bible tells me so"
In which case quite trying to explain it and jsut say "goddidit' which
leaves you looking like a fool also by not the damn fool you showing
yourself tobe now.
Harry K
harry k
Jan 28, 2012, 2:38:34 PM1/28/12
to
> <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
> I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.- Hide quoted text -
google for "penetration of light in water" and then deny that what you
see is correct. Just the usual fundy lie, deny, distort approach.
Keep in mind the canopy would by kilometers thick, not 200 meters.
You have already tried to play that card.
Harry K
>
> - Show quoted text -
You don't have to "know if I am correct". All you have to do is
> - Show quoted text -
google for "penetration of light in water" and then deny that what you
see is correct. Just the usual fundy lie, deny, distort approach.
Keep in mind the canopy would by kilometers thick, not 200 meters.
You have already tried to play that card.
Harry K
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:01:08 PM1/28/12
to
In article
<d4428489-ba91-473c...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24-a76c-10db01e2e...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, h=
> arry
> >
> > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.co=
> ky
> > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3D3DA0wrote:
> denc=3D
> > > e of=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> car=3D
> > > ve t=3D3D
> > > > > hem =3D3D3D
> vall=3D
> > > eys.=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyon=
> erat=3D
> > > ed o=3D3D
> > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh wi=
> th a=3D
> > > =A0man
> > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3D3DA0He dealt in alcohol, gra=
> in, an=3D
> > > =A0anima=3D3D
> > > > > ls. =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villag=
> es. =3D
> > > =3D3D3DA=3D3D
> > > > > 0He wa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3D3DA0When a local f=
> lood t=3D
> > > hreate=3D3D
> > > > > ned hi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood was=
> hed =3D
> > > them=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0out
> > > > > > > > > to sea. =3D3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they coul=
> dn't s=3D
> > > ee lan=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the=
> ani=3D
> > > mals=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0and
> > > > > > > > > grain. =3D3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapisht=
> im wen=3D
> > > t asho=3D3D
> > > > > re, th=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ey
> > > > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3D3DA0Fearing retribution f=
> rom hi=3D
> > > s cred=3D3D
> > > > > itors
> > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the =
> diff=3D
> > > eren=3D3D
> ls o=3D
> > > f th=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to=
> see=3D
> > > =A0any=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0lan=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the talle=
> st o=3D
> > > f
> > > > > > > > > mountains). =3D3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah w=
> as a d=3D
> > > runkar=3D3D
> > > > > d came=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3D3DA0Just man embellishing a stor=
> y over=3D
> > > =A0and o=3D3D
> > > > > ver ag=3D3D3D
> > > A0Game=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0of
> > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stor=
> ies =3D
> > > abou=3D3D
> > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the sto=
> ry t=3D
> > > hat =3D3D
> ed d=3D
> > > own =3D3D
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It'=
> s my=3D
> > > =A0gue=3D3D
> > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those s=
> tori=3D
> uote=3D
> > > d te=3D3D
> with
> > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a f=
> > > black. =A0Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
> > > clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. =A0The pupils
California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
<d4428489-ba91-473c...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24-a76c-10db01e2e...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> arry
> >
> > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.co=
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravs=
> > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> ky
> > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3D3DA0wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evi=
> > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> denc=3D
> > > e of=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers=
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> car=3D
> > > ve t=3D3D
> > > > > hem =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of =
> > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> vall=3D
> > > eys.=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyon=
> s.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly exagg=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> erat=3D
> > > ed o=3D3D
> > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh wi=
> th a=3D
> > > =A0man
> > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3D3DA0He dealt in alcohol, gra=
> in, an=3D
> > > =A0anima=3D3D
> > > > > ls. =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villag=
> es. =3D
> > > =3D3D3DA=3D3D
> > > > > 0He wa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3D3DA0When a local f=
> lood t=3D
> > > hreate=3D3D
> > > > > ned hi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood was=
> hed =3D
> > > them=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0out
> > > > > > > > > to sea. =3D3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they coul=
> dn't s=3D
> > > ee lan=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the=
> ani=3D
> > > mals=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0and
> > > > > > > > > grain. =3D3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapisht=
> im wen=3D
> > > t asho=3D3D
> > > > > re, th=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ey
> > > > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3D3DA0Fearing retribution f=
> rom hi=3D
> > > s cred=3D3D
> > > > > itors
> > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the =
> diff=3D
> > > eren=3D3D
> > > > > t
> > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the anima=
> > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> ls o=3D
> > > f th=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to=
> see=3D
> > > =A0any=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0lan=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the talle=
> st o=3D
> > > f
> > > > > > > > > mountains). =3D3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah w=
> as a d=3D
> > > runkar=3D3D
> > > > > d came=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3D3DA0Just man embellishing a stor=
> y over=3D
> > > =A0and o=3D3D
> > > > > ver ag=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > ain
> > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =
> =3D3D3D=3D
> > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =
> > > A0Game=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0of
> > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stor=
> ies =3D
> > > abou=3D3D
> > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the sto=
> ry t=3D
> > > hat =3D3D
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > > > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were pass=
> > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> ed d=3D
> > > own =3D3D
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It'=
> s my=3D
> > > =A0gue=3D3D
> > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those s=
> tori=3D
> > > es.
> >
> > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic o=
> >
> > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> f
> > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> > > > > > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide q=
> > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> uote=3D
> > > d te=3D3D
> > > > > xt -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > Jason: =3DA0Please address the point about the earth being in total
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
> >
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered =
> >
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> with
> > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a f=
> lash
> > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> >
> > > Now factor in the vapour needed for 29,000 feet of water. =A0Result -
> > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> >
> > > black. =A0Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
> > > clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. =A0The pupils
> > > were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and the
> > > like. =A0BTW, it didn't rain.
> >
> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:04:39 PM1/28/12
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In article <dfritzin-18AF11...@news.eternal-september.org>,
I don't believe the canopy was very thick. It has rained in California for
about 7 days in a row. I will never forget it. Lots of people were worried
about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
called the Russian River lost their homes. I don't live near the Russian
River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
about 7 days in a row. I will never forget it. Lots of people were worried
about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
called the Russian River lost their homes. I don't live near the Russian
River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:05:57 PM1/28/12
to
In article
<c1e92855-6ded-4d02...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered =
> with
> > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a f=
> e
> > > kilometers, not meters, =A0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if i=
I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
<c1e92855-6ded-4d02...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered =
> with
> > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a f=
> lash
> > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> > > Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. =A0The canopy would =A0b=
> > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> e
> > > kilometers, not meters, =A0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if i=
> n
> > > the form of vapor.
> >
> > > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. =A0Just as =
> > > the form of vapor.
> >
> a
> > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
> Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> of light from the surface.
Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
> > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
> Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> of light from the surface.
I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 4:04:07 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:01:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article
><d4428489-ba91-473c...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
...
yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article
><d4428489-ba91-473c...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>>
>> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
>I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
>California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
>believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
>
So you missed the bit about doing the math to figure it out for
>>
>> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
>I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
>California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
>believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
>
yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:12:03 PM1/28/12
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In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DE...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
Just because certain experts claim that the canopy would have had to be so
thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
correct.
I don't believe the canopy was very thick. I believe it was not very thick
since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
from the canopy.
thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
correct.
I don't believe the canopy was very thick. I believe it was not very thick
since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
from the canopy.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:12:41 PM1/28/12
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Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:22:38 PM1/28/12
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In article <Xns9FE86CB9F501A...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
Yes, but it does explain where the flood water came from.
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 4:18:35 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:05:57 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Then the canopy that you claim existed cannot possibly explain the
Flood. Lucky for you there was no such flood or canopy.
alt.talk.creationism:
Flood. Lucky for you there was no such flood or canopy.
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 4:19:57 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:12:41 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
They are not. When you tell me that you believe that liars are not
lying, I have to ask whether you are just so ignorant that anyone can
mislead you and defraud you or that you, too, are lying because you are
a shill for those liars?
One or the other or both. Tell us.
lying, I have to ask whether you are just so ignorant that anyone can
mislead you and defraud you or that you, too, are lying because you are
a shill for those liars?
One or the other or both. Tell us.
David Fritzinger
Jan 28, 2012, 4:19:58 PM1/28/12
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In article
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Then, where did the water come from? You are saying there wasn't enough
water in the supposed canopy, so where did it come from?
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
water in the supposed canopy, so where did it come from?
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 4:21:51 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:04:39 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
That little flood isn't remotely what the mythic flood that you claim
happend would have been like. You really are profoundly ignorant about
these things.
alt.talk.creationism:
happend would have been like. You really are profoundly ignorant about
these things.
David Fritzinger
Jan 28, 2012, 4:25:55 PM1/28/12
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In article
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
What has that got to do with Noah's nonexistent flood? The nonexistent
canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:35:23 PM1/28/12
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In article <fgo8i7dhs7qgsl7kc...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
I don't believe the expert or experts that came up with the very thick
canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
during the last 20 days of Noah's Flood came from water that had
canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
during the last 20 days of Noah's Flood came from water that had
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 4:32:17 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:35:23 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.atheism:
You don't understand the water cycle. You also don't understand the
Noah's Flood Myth. Water that evaporates brings the water level down.
alt.atheism:
Noah's Flood Myth. Water that evaporates brings the water level down.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:39:16 PM1/28/12
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In article <dfritzin-436C1F...@news.eternal-september.org>,
I believe that the water during the first approx. 20 days of Noah's flood
came from the collapsed canopy. The rain that fell on the earth during the
last approx. 20 days of Noah's flood came from evaporated water from
oceans and large lakes. That rain also helped flush huge amounts of salt
from soil. That may be the reason that Noah and his family were able to
plant a vineyard soon after the flood was over.
came from the collapsed canopy. The rain that fell on the earth during the
last approx. 20 days of Noah's flood came from evaporated water from
oceans and large lakes. That rain also helped flush huge amounts of salt
from soil. That may be the reason that Noah and his family were able to
plant a vineyard soon after the flood was over.
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 4:37:18 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:39:16 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
Where did you get the idea that this imaginary flood lasted only 40
days? You need to read your Bible.
alt.talk.creationism:
days? You need to read your Bible.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:42:01 PM1/28/12
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In article <ghp8i714nmkjbil73...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
LOL none of the above. I believe Ken Ham is telling the truth and I
believe the truths that he tells to me.
believe the truths that he tells to me.
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 4:46:20 PM1/28/12
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In article <dfritzin-96FDC0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
I believe that Noah's flood did happen. Several posters admitted that the
Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water. I agree
with them--it was Noah's flood water. Of course, they claim there was a
different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water. I agree
with them--it was Noah's flood water. Of course, they claim there was a
different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
tirebiter
Jan 28, 2012, 5:03:43 PM1/28/12
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> <d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Name a single rain storm that lasted 7 days without letting up. that
would have been 7 days x 24 hours x 60 minutes, or at least 10,080
minutes of nonstop rain. I guarantee that this would have been a
major news story. The longest rainstorm I can find reference to was
59 hours in England back in 1903. That is less than 2 and a half
days.
You are lying about this. You are a liar.
---
a.a. #2273
would have been 7 days x 24 hours x 60 minutes, or at least 10,080
minutes of nonstop rain. I guarantee that this would have been a
major news story. The longest rainstorm I can find reference to was
59 hours in England back in 1903. That is less than 2 and a half
days.
You are lying about this. You are a liar.
---
a.a. #2273
tirebiter
Jan 28, 2012, 5:04:11 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 4:04 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
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>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-2701121611420...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
When did this 7 day rainstorm happen? You are lying about it.
---
a.a. #2273
> In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-2701121611420...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
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a.a. #2273
tirebiter
Jan 28, 2012, 5:06:26 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <d8r7i7t8prind26bnb79vi02mmjo3mt...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
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a.a. #2273
> In article <d8r7i7t8prind26bnb79vi02mmjo3mt...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:28:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > ><f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
>
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:28:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > >k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > >> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > >> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> > >> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
> > >> the form of vapor.
>
> > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
> > >> scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > >I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
> > You refuse to believe anything anyone ever tells you about science that
> > you get wrong and make pathetic excuses like your 'deep sea fishing' one
> > here, but you will believe any lie that the criminal con men at ICR or
> > AIG tell.
>
> > Why do you worship liars like Ken Ham?
>
> Because I believe they are telling the truth.
Your constant lying proves you don't know what the truth is.
>
> > ...
>
> > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > >> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > >> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> > >> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
> > >> the form of vapor.
>
> > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
> > >> scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > >I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
> > You refuse to believe anything anyone ever tells you about science that
> > you get wrong and make pathetic excuses like your 'deep sea fishing' one
> > here, but you will believe any lie that the criminal con men at ICR or
> > AIG tell.
>
> > Why do you worship liars like Ken Ham?
>
> Because I believe they are telling the truth.
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a.a. #2273
Jason
Jan 28, 2012, 5:17:31 PM1/28/12
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tirebiter
Jan 28, 2012, 5:07:31 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 4:35 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <fgo8i7dhs7qgsl7kcvd1h5h07qinh24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
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a.a. #2273
> In article <fgo8i7dhs7qgsl7kcvd1h5h07qinh24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:01:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > ><d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:01:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > >Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > >> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > ...
> > >> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> > >> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> > >I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > >California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> > >believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
>
> > So you missed the bit about doing the math to figure it out for
> > yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
> > have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
> > competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
> > in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
> > flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
> > having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
>
> I don't believe the expert or experts that came up with the very thick
> canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
> during the last 20 days of Noah's Flood came from water that had
> evaporated from the oceans and huge lakes.
Then how did it keep rising to the mountaintops? You liar.
>
> > >> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > ...
> > >> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> > >> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> > >I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > >California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> > >believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
>
> > So you missed the bit about doing the math to figure it out for
> > yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
> > have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
> > competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
> > in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
> > flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
> > having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
>
> I don't believe the expert or experts that came up with the very thick
> canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
> during the last 20 days of Noah's Flood came from water that had
> evaporated from the oceans and huge lakes.
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a.a. #2273
tirebiter
Jan 28, 2012, 5:05:59 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DEnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
You are lying about this 7 day rainstorm. What year and month did it
occur in? How wide was the coverage? Did it rain every second of
those 7 days? How hard was it raining? How many inches per hour of
water fell?
You are lying.
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a.a. #2273
> In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DEnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
occur in? How wide was the coverage? Did it rain every second of
those 7 days? How hard was it raining? How many inches per hour of
water fell?
You are lying.
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a.a. #2273
tirebiter
Jan 28, 2012, 6:43:41 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 5:17 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <gjq8i7tcq3e71bsnn9du615olo3gj5j...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> > >> <Jason-2801121305580...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Don't even know your own book of fables, do you liar?
What about genesis 7:24? Or don't you know a flood doesn't end when
the rain stops.
You are a liar *and* an idiot.
---
a.a. #2273
> In article <gjq8i7tcq3e71bsnn9du615olo3gj5j...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:39:16 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
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> > >In article <dfritzin-436C1F.16195828012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:39:16 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >> <Jason-2801121305580...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
What about genesis 7:24? Or don't you know a flood doesn't end when
the rain stops.
You are a liar *and* an idiot.
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a.a. #2273
David Fritzinger
Jan 28, 2012, 6:54:01 PM1/28/12
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evidence that clouds that are thin enough to allow light to pass through
hold enough water to cover Mt. Everest. That, in order for Noah's flood
to have happened as told in the Bible, it would have had to rain at a
rate of 30 inches/minute?
You were told that the area around the Grand Canyon was a sea bottom at
one time by several posters quite a while ago. The fact is the land was
uplifted over millions of years such that it was no longer a sea bottom,
and the Colorado River gradually, over millions of years, eroded the
Grand Canyon.
If you actually want to learn something, see:
http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/geologicformations.htm
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 7:02:15 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:42:01 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
I know for a fact that Ken Ham is lying. He is not telling you any
truths. You are lying to me.
truths. You are lying to me.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 28, 2012, 7:11:52 PM1/28/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in news:Jason-2801121322380001@67-150-168-
219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
So does your "well, God must have created a miracle
at that point in the story". So why bother with this
"canopy" story?
219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
at that point in the story". So why bother with this
"canopy" story?
Mitchell Holman
Jan 28, 2012, 7:16:46 PM1/28/12
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Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
There is no canopy. There never WAS a canopy.
It is not mentioned in the Bible, it is not
mentioned in any geology text, it is not mentioned
in any climatology text. You might as well be talking
about a layer of Kryptonite or Fairy Dust. It is
all just fiction.
news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
It is not mentioned in the Bible, it is not
mentioned in any geology text, it is not mentioned
in any climatology text. You might as well be talking
about a layer of Kryptonite or Fairy Dust. It is
all just fiction.
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 7:20:38 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:46:20 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article <dfritzin-96FDC0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
...
you explain that delusion?
> Several posters admitted that the
>Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water.
Yes, so what?
>I agree with them--it was Noah's flood water.
No, it was not. The area that was under sea water was there while the
rocks were being built up.
>Of course, they claim there was a
>different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
Facts are stubborn things, you cannot twist them to fit the lies you are
preaching.
alt.talk.creationism:
>In article <dfritzin-96FDC0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> What has that got to do with Noah's nonexistent flood? The nonexistent
>> canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
>> of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
>> about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
>> Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
>> of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
>> the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
>> to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
>> happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
>
>I believe that Noah's flood did happen.
Even though you know that the facts show that it never happened. How do
>> canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
>> of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
>> about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
>> Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
>> of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
>> the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
>> to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
>> happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
>
>I believe that Noah's flood did happen.
you explain that delusion?
> Several posters admitted that the
>Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water.
>I agree with them--it was Noah's flood water.
rocks were being built up.
>Of course, they claim there was a
>different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
preaching.
Mitchell Holman
Jan 28, 2012, 7:42:55 PM1/28/12
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The rain that fell on the earth
> during the last approx. 20 days of Noah's flood came from evaporated
> water from oceans and large lakes.
Free Lunch
Jan 28, 2012, 7:46:33 PM1/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:42:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
wrote in alt.atheism:
Do you think he could calculate the temperature of the atmosphere if the
amount of water he alleges were actually in the atmosphere?
wrote in alt.atheism:
amount of water he alleges were actually in the atmosphere?
Mitchell Holman
Jan 28, 2012, 8:17:52 PM1/28/12
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Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in
news:vl59i79q22f06orol...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:42:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>>news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <dfritzin-436C1F...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
>>> Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In article
>>>> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19c86
Not without resorting a "well, God just
made a miracle happen at that point". That
seems to be his only answer to the obvious
problems with Ye Floode.....
news:vl59i79q22f06orol...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:42:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>>Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>>news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <dfritzin-436C1F...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
>>> Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>>>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > In article
made a miracle happen at that point". That
seems to be his only answer to the obvious
problems with Ye Floode.....
Jeanne Douglas
Jan 28, 2012, 9:15:28 PM1/28/12
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In article
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <c1e92855-6ded-4d02...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
top of Mt. Everest. It takes grade school math to calculate how thick a
canopy would have to be to hold that much water.
Unless you're stating that arithmetic is subject to belief?
--
JD
"the lybian lier"
Jeanne Douglas
Jan 28, 2012, 9:19:43 PM1/28/12
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In article
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
<Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> > Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
Was there ever a rain that fell at 30 feet per hour?
>
> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
If not, then comparing your flood to a normal rain storm is nonsense.
harry k
Jan 28, 2012, 11:47:22 PM1/28/12
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> <d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > <40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24-a76c-10db01e2e...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, h=
> > arry
>
> > > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.co=
> > m>,
>
> > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ky
> > > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3D3DA0wrote:
> > vall=3D
> > > > eys.=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyon=
> > erat=3D
> > > > ed o=3D3D
> > > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh wi=
> > th a=3D
> > > > =A0man
> > > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
>
> > > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
>
> > > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the =
> > diff=3D
> > > > eren=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to=
> > see=3D
> > > > =A0any=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0lan=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > d
> > > > A0Game=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0of
> > > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
>
> > > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stor=
> > ies =3D
> > > > abou=3D3D
> > > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It'=
> > s my=3D
> > > > =A0gue=3D3D
> > > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those s=
> > tori=3D
depth of the water covering 'the highest hills' or a bit less
depending on how high up the canopy was.. To be even that 'thin' the
canopy would have to be liquid water. If the canopy was water in the
vapor form, like clouds, it would be some one hundred times thicker
than that.
No matter how you play around with your mythical canopy, it cannot be
made towork for several different reasons.
Darkness
Weight
Heat
Source/destination.
Atmospheric pressure.
Pick any one and we can discuss it.
Harry K
>
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>
> Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > <40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24-a76c-10db01e2e...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, h=
> > arry
>
> > > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.co=
> > m>,
>
> > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
>
> > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichTravs=
> > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
>
> > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
>
> > ky
> > > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3D3DA0wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are evi=
> > denc=3D
> > > > e of=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> > denc=3D
> > > > e of=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glaciers=
> > car=3D
> > > > ve t=3D3D
> > > > > > hem =3D3D3D
> > car=3D
> > > > ve t=3D3D
> > > > > > hem =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of =
> > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
>
> > vall=3D
> > > > eys.=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0Noa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of canyon=
> > s.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
>
> > > > > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly exagg=
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
>
> > erat=3D
> > > > ed o=3D3D
> > > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh wi=
> > th a=3D
> > > > =A0man
> > > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3D3DA0He dealt in alcohol, gra=
> > in, an=3D
> > > > =A0anima=3D3D
> > > > > > ls. =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villag=
> > es. =3D
> > > > =3D3D3DA=3D3D
> > > > > > 0He wa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > s
> > in, an=3D
> > > > =A0anima=3D3D
> > > > > > ls. =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local villag=
> > es. =3D
> > > > =3D3D3DA=3D3D
> > > > > > 0He wa=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3D3DA0When a local f=
> > lood t=3D
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> > lood t=3D
> > > > hreate=3D3D
> > > > > > ned hi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood was=
> > hed =3D
> > > > them=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0out
> > > > > > > > > > to sea. =3D3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they coul=
> > dn't s=3D
> > > > ee lan=3D3D
> > > > > > d
> > hed =3D
> > > > them=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0out
> > > > > > > > > > to sea. =3D3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they coul=
> > dn't s=3D
> > > > ee lan=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
>
> > > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate the=
> > ani=3D
> > > > mals=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0and
> > > > > > > > > > grain. =3D3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapisht=
> > im wen=3D
> > > > t asho=3D3D
> > > > > > re, th=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > ey
> > ani=3D
> > > > mals=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0and
> > > > > > > > > > grain. =3D3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapisht=
> > im wen=3D
> > > > t asho=3D3D
> > > > > > re, th=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3D3DA0Fearing retribution f=
> > rom hi=3D
> > > > s cred=3D3D
> > > > > > itors
> > rom hi=3D
> > > > s cred=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the =
> > diff=3D
> > > > eren=3D3D
> > > > > > t
> > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
>
> > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
>
> > > > > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the anima=
> > ls o=3D
> > > > f th=3D3D
> > > > > > e
> > ls o=3D
> > > > f th=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be able to=
> > see=3D
> > > > =A0any=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0lan=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the talle=
> > st o=3D
> > > > f
> > > > > > > > > > mountains). =3D3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah w=
> > as a d=3D
> > > > runkar=3D3D
> > > > > > d came=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0from.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3D3DA0Just man embellishing a stor=
> > y over=3D
> > > > =A0and o=3D3D
> > > > > > ver ag=3D3D3D
> > st o=3D
> > > > f
> > > > > > > > > > mountains). =3D3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah w=
> > as a d=3D
> > > > runkar=3D3D
> > > > > > d came=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0from.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3D3DA0Just man embellishing a stor=
> > y over=3D
> > > > =A0and o=3D3D
> > > > > > ver ag=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > ain
> > > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =
> > =3D3D3D=3D
> > > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story. =
> > > > A0Game=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0of
> > > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
>
> > > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own stor=
> > ies =3D
> > > > abou=3D3D
> > > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the sto=
> > ry t=3D
> > > > hat =3D3D
> > ry t=3D
> > > > hat =3D3D
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
>
> > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
>
> > > > > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were pass=
> > ed d=3D
> > > > own =3D3D
> > > > > > from
> > ed d=3D
> > > > own =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition. It'=
> > s my=3D
> > > > =A0gue=3D3D
> > > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those s=
> > tori=3D
> > > > es.
>
> > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
>
> > > > > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic o=
>
> > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
>
> > f
> > > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
>
> > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
>
> > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
>
> > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
>
> > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
>
> > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
>
> > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
>
> > > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
>
> > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
>
> > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
>
> > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
>
> > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
>
> > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
>
> > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
>
> > > > > > > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide q=
> > uote=3D
> > > > d te=3D3D
> > uote=3D
> > > > d te=3D3D
> > > > > > xt -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Jason: =3DA0Please address the point about the earth being in total
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
>
> > > > > > Harry K
>
>
> > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was covered =
> > with
> > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a f=
> > lash
> > with
> > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of a f=
> > lash
> > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
>
> > > > Now factor in the vapour needed for 29,000 feet of water. =A0Result -
> > > > black. =A0Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
> > > > clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. =A0The pupils
> > > > were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and the
> > > > like. =A0BTW, it didn't rain.
>
> > > > Now factor in the vapour needed for 29,000 feet of water. =A0Result -
> > > > black. =A0Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, the
> > > > clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. =A0The pupils
> > > > were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and the
>
> > > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> > > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> > Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
>
> - Show quoted text -
The minimum thickness of the canopy wouild have to be the same as the
> - Show quoted text -
depth of the water covering 'the highest hills' or a bit less
depending on how high up the canopy was.. To be even that 'thin' the
canopy would have to be liquid water. If the canopy was water in the
vapor form, like clouds, it would be some one hundred times thicker
than that.
No matter how you play around with your mythical canopy, it cannot be
made towork for several different reasons.
Darkness
Weight
Heat
Source/destination.
Atmospheric pressure.
Pick any one and we can discuss it.
Harry K
harry k
Jan 28, 2012, 11:54:15 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 1:12 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <d8r7i7t8prind26bnb79vi02mmjo3mt...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:28:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > >> the form of vapor.
>
> > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
Harry K
> In article <d8r7i7t8prind26bnb79vi02mmjo3mt...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:28:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > ><f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
> > >k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > >k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > >> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > >> water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > >> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> > >> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if in
> > >> the form of vapor.
>
> > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as a
> > >> scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > >I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > >I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
> > You refuse to believe anything anyone ever tells you about science that
> > you get wrong and make pathetic excuses like your 'deep sea fishing' one
> > here, but you will believe any lie that the criminal con men at ICR or
> > AIG tell.
>
> > Why do you worship liars like Ken Ham?
>
> Because I believe they are telling the truth.- Hide quoted text -
> > you get wrong and make pathetic excuses like your 'deep sea fishing' one
> > here, but you will believe any lie that the criminal con men at ICR or
> > AIG tell.
>
> > Why do you worship liars like Ken Ham?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Even when we point out FACTS to prove they are lying.
> - Show quoted text -
Harry K
harry k
Jan 28, 2012, 11:57:53 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 1:12 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DEnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount
> > >> of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > >> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> > >> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if
> > >> in the form of vapor.
>
> > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as
> > >> a scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea
> > > diving.
>
> > > In article
> > > <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount
> > >> of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > >> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. The canopy would be
> > >> kilometers, not meters, thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if
> > >> in the form of vapor.
>
> > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. Just as
> > >> a scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea
> > > diving.
>
> > Then do some. If so you will notice what everyone
> > else with lots of dives has seen: Virtually all marine
> > plant life is in the first 30 feet of water. By 60 feet
> > there is very little. By 100 feet there is none at all.
>
> > Now, tell us how the marine plants AND the creatures
> > that depend on it could have survived being under miles
> > of water for months.
>
> > Or, post your usual "God must have made a miracle
> > happen" response.
>
> Just because certain experts claim that the canopy would have had to be so
> thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
> correct.
>
> I don't believe the canopy was very thick. I believe it was not very thick
> since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
> last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
> from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
> with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
> They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
> from the canopy.- Hide quoted text -
> > else with lots of dives has seen: Virtually all marine
> > plant life is in the first 30 feet of water. By 60 feet
> > there is very little. By 100 feet there is none at all.
>
> > Now, tell us how the marine plants AND the creatures
> > that depend on it could have survived being under miles
> > of water for months.
>
> > Or, post your usual "God must have made a miracle
> > happen" response.
>
> Just because certain experts claim that the canopy would have had to be so
> thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
> correct.
>
> I don't believe the canopy was very thick. I believe it was not very thick
> since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
> last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
> from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
> with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
> They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
>
> - Show quoted text -
So your canopy was _less_ than 200 meters thick? That would mean the
> - Show quoted text -
max rise in the water level on earth could not have been more than 200
meters. Hardly even noticeable when you are trying to "cover the
highest hills".
The canopy had to be almost as thick as theh depth of Ye Flud
that is FACT and not subject to "belief"
Harry K
Devils Advocaat
Jan 29, 2012, 12:22:53 AM1/29/12
to
prove those beliefs to be misplaced.
Devils Advocaat
Jan 29, 2012, 12:19:09 AM1/29/12
to
incredible, the weight unbearable, and the darkness total.
But as to where it all came from and where it all went, I can only
quote my venerable philosophy teacher who said "f**k nose". :)
harry k
Jan 28, 2012, 11:50:10 PM1/28/12
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On Jan 28, 1:35 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <fgo8i7dhs7qgsl7kcvd1h5h07qinh24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:01:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> evaporated from the oceans and huge lakes.- Hide quoted text -
If it is evaporating as fast as it fell, then the depth of water would
not be changing and would not have covered "the highest hills".
You poor brain damaged deluded fool.
Harry K
> In article <fgo8i7dhs7qgsl7kcvd1h5h07qinh24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:01:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article
> > ><d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> > >Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > >> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > ...
> > ><d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> > >Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > >> On Jan 28, 9:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> > >> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> > >I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > >California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
>
> > >> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> > >I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > >California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> > >believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
>
> > So you missed the bit about doing the math to figure it out for
> > yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
> > have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
> > competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
> > in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
> > flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
> > having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
>
> I don't believe the expert or experts that came up with the very thick
> canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
> during the last 20 days of Noah's Flood came from water that had
>
> > So you missed the bit about doing the math to figure it out for
> > yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
> > have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
> > competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
> > in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
> > flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
> > having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
>
> I don't believe the expert or experts that came up with the very thick
> canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
> evaporated from the oceans and huge lakes.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO!
> - Show quoted text -
If it is evaporating as fast as it fell, then the depth of water would
not be changing and would not have covered "the highest hills".
You poor brain damaged deluded fool.
Harry K
harry k
Jan 29, 2012, 12:01:31 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 28, 1:46 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-96FDC0.16255528012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > <Jason-2801121304400...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-2701121611420...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.- Hide quoted text -
known FACT there was, namely tectonic plate activity.
Harry K
> In article <dfritzin-96FDC0.16255528012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > <Jason-2801121304400...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > <Jason-2701121611420...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
>
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No, they do not "claim" there was a differengt source for it. It is
> - Show quoted text -
known FACT there was, namely tectonic plate activity.
Harry K
Jeanne Douglas
Jan 29, 2012, 1:59:16 AM1/29/12
to
In article
<c45144de-a5c3-46de...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
The surface of the earth would have been pretty much like the bottom of
the Marianas, only really really hot.
> But as to where it all came from and where it all went, I can only
> quote my venerable philosophy teacher who said "f**k nose". :)
Yeah, the canopy "theory" only puts the problem of where the water came
from back a step.
<c45144de-a5c3-46de...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
the Marianas, only really really hot.
> But as to where it all came from and where it all went, I can only
> quote my venerable philosophy teacher who said "f**k nose". :)
from back a step.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:21:30 AM1/29/12
to
In article
<ad17a754-b894-42c1...@s9g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
tirebiter <dontsp...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 4:12=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DEnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount
> > > >> of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> > > >> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. =A0The canopy would =
> =A0be
> > > >> kilometers, not meters, =A0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers i=
> as
> > > >> a scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head=
> > > happen" response.
> >
> > Just because certain experts claim that the canopy would have had to be s=
rain about 7 days in a row. You may want to google the "Russian River". I
do recall that it flooded and some of the people that had houses near that
river lost their homes.
<ad17a754-b894-42c1...@s9g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
tirebiter <dontsp...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 4:12=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DEnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount
> > > >> of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> =A0be
> > > >> kilometers, not meters, =A0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers i=
> f
> > > >> in the form of vapor.
> >
> > > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. =A0Just =
> > > >> in the form of vapor.
> >
> as
> > > >> a scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head=
> .
> >
> > > >> Harry K
> >
> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea
> > > > diving.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Then do some. If so you will notice what everyone
> >
> > > >> Harry K
> >
> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea
> > > > diving.
> >
> > > else with lots of dives has seen: Virtually all marine
> > > plant life is in the first 30 feet of water. By 60 feet
> > > there is very little. By 100 feet there is none at all.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Now, tell us how the marine plants AND the creatures
> > > plant life is in the first 30 feet of water. By 60 feet
> > > there is very little. By 100 feet there is none at all.
> >
> > > that depend on it could have survived being under miles
> > > of water for months.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Or, post your usual "God must have made a miracle
> > > of water for months.
> >
> > > happen" response.
> >
> > Just because certain experts claim that the canopy would have had to be s=
> o
> > thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
> > correct.
> >
> > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. I believe it was not very thic=
> > thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
> > correct.
> >
> k
> > since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
> > last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
> > from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
> > with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
> > They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
> > from the canopy.
>
> You are lying about this 7 day rainstorm. What year and month did it
> occur in? How wide was the coverage? Did it rain every second of
> those 7 days? How hard was it raining? How many inches per hour of
> water fell?
>
> You are lying.
>
> ---
> a.a. #2273
I don't remember. It did NOT rain every hour of every day. However, it did
> > since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
> > last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
> > from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
> > with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
> > They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
> > from the canopy.
>
> You are lying about this 7 day rainstorm. What year and month did it
> occur in? How wide was the coverage? Did it rain every second of
> those 7 days? How hard was it raining? How many inches per hour of
> water fell?
>
> You are lying.
>
> ---
> a.a. #2273
rain about 7 days in a row. You may want to google the "Russian River". I
do recall that it flooded and some of the people that had houses near that
river lost their homes.
Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 2:19:17 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 28, 10:01 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
snip
>
> > > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> > Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
According to Genesis it rained for 40 days and 40 nights until the
entire Earth was flooded. That's about 30 feet per hour. Your
picayune storms pale in comparison.
Do the maths.
snip
>
> > > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
>
> > Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
entire Earth was flooded. That's about 30 feet per hour. Your
picayune storms pale in comparison.
Do the maths.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:28:06 AM1/29/12
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In article
<9592688f-0297-45c7...@n8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:12=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DEnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount
> > > >> of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> as
> > > >> a scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head=
> > > happen" response.
> >
> > Just because certain experts claim that the canopy would have had to be s=
I have never heard before.
http://biblegeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
click on: Latest Blogs
also click on: Question: answer Where did the Flood Waters Go?
Make sure to read his answer to that question.
<9592688f-0297-45c7...@n8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:12=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <Xns9FE86DCF023DEnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-175-65.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount
> > > >> of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> > > >> Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. =A0The canopy would =
> =A0be
> > > >> kilometers, not meters, =A0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers i=
> =A0be
> f
> > > >> in the form of vapor.
> >
> > > >> Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. =A0Just =
> > > >> in the form of vapor.
> >
> as
> > > >> a scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head=
> .
> >
> > > >> Harry K
> >
> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea
> > > > diving.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Then do some. If so you will notice what everyone
> >
> > > >> Harry K
> >
> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea
> > > > diving.
> >
> > > else with lots of dives has seen: Virtually all marine
> > > plant life is in the first 30 feet of water. By 60 feet
> > > there is very little. By 100 feet there is none at all.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Now, tell us how the marine plants AND the creatures
> > > plant life is in the first 30 feet of water. By 60 feet
> > > there is very little. By 100 feet there is none at all.
> >
> > > that depend on it could have survived being under miles
> > > of water for months.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 Or, post your usual "God must have made a miracle
> > > of water for months.
> >
> > > happen" response.
> >
> > Just because certain experts claim that the canopy would have had to be s=
> o
> > thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
> > correct.
> >
> > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. I believe it was not very thic=
> > thick that sun light could NOT get thru it--does NOT mean the experts are
> > correct.
> >
> k
> > since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
> > last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
> > from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
> > with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
> > They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
> > from the canopy.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> So your canopy was _less_ than 200 meters thick? That would mean the
> max rise in the water level on earth could not have been more than 200
> meters. Hardly even noticeable when you are trying to "cover the
> highest hills".
>
> The canopy had to be almost as thick as theh depth of Ye Flud
>
> that is FACT and not subject to "belief"
>
> Harry K
I found some info. on the internet today. Some Christian has a theory that
> > since I have seen it rain for about 7 days in a row in California. The
> > last 20 days of Noah's flood was probably from water that had evaporated
> > from the oceans and huge lakes. I don't believe the experts that came up
> > with the VERY THICK canopy theory took that factor into consideration.
> > They probably incorrectly assumed that ALL of the Noah's flood water came
> > from the canopy.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> So your canopy was _less_ than 200 meters thick? That would mean the
> max rise in the water level on earth could not have been more than 200
> meters. Hardly even noticeable when you are trying to "cover the
> highest hills".
>
> The canopy had to be almost as thick as theh depth of Ye Flud
>
> that is FACT and not subject to "belief"
>
> Harry K
I have never heard before.
http://biblegeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
click on: Latest Blogs
also click on: Question: answer Where did the Flood Waters Go?
Make sure to read his answer to that question.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:29:50 AM1/29/12
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In article
<c45144de-a5c3-46de...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 4:47=A0am, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<c45144de-a5c3-46de...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 1:01=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article
> > > <d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > > <40a0bb8f-0fe5-4b24-a76c-10db01e2e...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>=
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article
> > > <d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> ,
> >
> > > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > > > > > > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.c=
> om>, h=3D
> > > > arry
> >
> > > > > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 12:26=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegro=
> > > > > > > > > In article
> ups.co=3D
> > > > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wr=
> ote:
> > > > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, Ric=
> > > > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> hTravs=3D
> > > > ky
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3D3D3DA0wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks a=
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> re evi=3D
> > > > denc=3D3D
> > > > > > e of=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Noa=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Gl=
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> aciers=3D
> > > > =A0car=3D3D
> > > > > > ve t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > hem =3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the developme=
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> nt of =3D
> > > > vall=3D3D
> > > > > > eys.=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Noa=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of =
> canyon=3D
> > > > s.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly=
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> exagg=3D
> > > > erat=3D3D
> > > > > > ed o=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgam=
> esh wi=3D
> > > > th a=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0man
> > > > > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3D3D3DA0He dealt in alco=
> hol, gra=3D
> > > > in, an=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0anima=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > ls. =3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local =
> villag=3D
> > > > es. =3D3D
> > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > 0He wa=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3D3D3DA0When a=
> local f=3D
> > > > lood t=3D3D
> > > > > > hreate=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > ned hi=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flo=
> od was=3D
> > > > hed =3D3D
> > > > > > them=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0out
> > > > > > > > > > > > to sea. =3D3D3D3DA0They went so far out to see that t=
> hey coul=3D
> > > > dn't s=3D3D
> > > > > > ee lan=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and a=
> te the=3D
> > > > =A0ani=3D3D
> > > > > > mals=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0and
> > > > > > > > > > > > grain. =3D3D3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and U=
> tnapisht=3D
> > > > im wen=3D3D
> > > > > > t asho=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > re, th=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > ey
> > > > > > > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3D3D3DA0Fearing retri=
> bution f=3D
> > > > rom hi=3D3D
> > > > > > s cred=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > itors
> > > > > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family i=
> n the =3D
> > > > diff=3D3D
> > > > > > eren=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > t
> > > > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the=
> > > > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> anima=3D
> > > > ls o=3D3D
> > > > > > f th=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be a=
> ble to=3D
> > > > =A0see=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0any=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0lan=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the=
> talle=3D
> > > > st o=3D3D
> > > > > > f
> > > > > > > > > > > > mountains). =3D3D3D3DA0It was also where the idea tha=
> t Noah w=3D
> > > > as a d=3D3D
> > > > > > runkar=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > d came=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3D3D3DA0Just man embellishin=
> g a stor=3D
> > > > y over=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0and o=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > ver ag=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > ain
> > > > > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original st=
> ory. =3D
> > > > =3D3D3D3D=3D3D
> > > > > > A0Game=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > =3D3DA0of
> > > > > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their ow=
> n stor=3D
> > > > ies =3D3D
> > > > > > abou=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to t=
> he sto=3D
> > > > ry t=3D3D
> > > > > > hat =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they wer=
> > > > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> e pass=3D
> > > > ed d=3D3D
> > > > > > own =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral traditio=
> n. It'=3D
> > > > s my=3D3D
> > > > > > =3DA0gue=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of t=
> hose s=3D
> > > > tori=3D3D
> > > > > > es.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the =
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> Epic o=3D
> > > > f
> > > > > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood stor=
> y.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- =
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> Hide q=3D
> > > > uote=3D3D
> > > > > > d te=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > xt -
> >
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > > Jason: =3D3DA0Please address the point about the earth being =
> >
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> in total
> > > > > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all =
> light.
> >
> > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was co=
> vered =3D
> > > > with
> > > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use =
> of a f=3D
> > > > lash
> > > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> >
> > > > > > Now factor in the vapour needed for 29,000 feet of water. =3DA0Re=
> > > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> >
> sult -
> > > > > > black. =3DA0Back in the mid sixties at about 3 in the afternoon, =
> the
> > > > > > clouds were so thick that it was dark in the playground. =3DA0The=
> pupils
> > > > > > were wandering around saying "The end of the world is nigh" and t=
> he
> > > > > > like. =3DA0BTW, it didn't rain.
> >
> > > > > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
> >
> > > > Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain=
> > > > > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
> >
> .
> >
> > > I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > > California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> > > believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.- Hide quoted te=
> >
> > > I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > > California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> xt -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > The minimum thickness of the canopy wouild have to be the same as the
> > depth of the water covering 'the highest hills' or a bit less
> > depending on how high up the canopy was.. =A0To be even that 'thin' the
> > depth of the water covering 'the highest hills' or a bit less
> > canopy would have to be liquid water. =A0If the canopy was water in the
> > vapor form, like clouds, it would be some one hundred times thicker
> > than that.
> >
> > No matter how you play around with your mythical canopy, it cannot be
> > made towork for several different reasons.
> >
> > Darkness
> > Weight
> > Heat
> > Source/destination.
> > Atmospheric pressure.
> >
> > Pick any one and we can discuss it.
> >
> > Harry K
>
> Well with that much water the pressure would be phenomenal, the heat
> incredible, the weight unbearable, and the darkness total.
>
> But as to where it all came from and where it all went, I can only
> quote my venerable philosophy teacher who said "f**k nose". :)
> > than that.
> >
> > No matter how you play around with your mythical canopy, it cannot be
> > made towork for several different reasons.
> >
> > Darkness
> > Weight
> > Heat
> > Source/destination.
> > Atmospheric pressure.
> >
> > Pick any one and we can discuss it.
> >
> > Harry K
>
> Well with that much water the pressure would be phenomenal, the heat
> incredible, the weight unbearable, and the darkness total.
>
> But as to where it all came from and where it all went, I can only
> quote my venerable philosophy teacher who said "f**k nose". :)
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:31:27 AM1/29/12
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In article
<2dec602a-0242-49ec...@v6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <fgo8i7dhs7qgsl7kcvd1h5h07qinh24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:01:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > alt.talk.creationism:
> >
> > > >In article
> > > ><d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > >> On Jan 28, 9:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > ...
> > > >> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
> >
> > > >> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rai=
flood. I have already told you how to find that website.
<2dec602a-0242-49ec...@v6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 1:35=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <fgo8i7dhs7qgsl7kcvd1h5h07qinh24...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:01:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > alt.talk.creationism:
> >
> > > >In article
> > > ><d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > >> On Jan 28, 9:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > ...
> > > >> > I don't know how thick the canopy was.
> >
> n.
> >
> > > >I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > > >California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> > > >believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
> >
> > > So you missed the bit about doing the math to figure it out for
> > > yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
> > > have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
> > > competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
> > > in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
> > > flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
> > > having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
> >
> > I don't believe the expert or experts that came up with the very thick
> > canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
> > during the last 20 days of Noah's Flood came from water that had
> > evaporated from the oceans and huge lakes.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO!
>
> If it is evaporating as fast as it fell, then the depth of water would
> not be changing and would not have covered "the highest hills".
>
> You poor brain damaged deluded fool.
>
> Harry K
One Christian claims the mountains were not very high prior to Noah's
> >
> > > >I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > > >California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> > > >believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
> >
> > > So you missed the bit about doing the math to figure it out for
> > > yourself. Is that because you are too lazy to bother or too ignorant to
> > > have a clue how to figure it out. What is clear is that everyone who is
> > > competent to do the work knows that your claim is totally absurd. Rain
> > > in one location is not remotely related to the story of the global
> > > flood. You need to stop being so proud of your foolish ignorance. Stop
> > > having an opinion that you cannot back up with facts.
> >
> > I don't believe the expert or experts that came up with the very thick
> > canopy theory took into consideration that most of the rain that fell
> > during the last 20 days of Noah's Flood came from water that had
> > evaporated from the oceans and huge lakes.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO!
>
> If it is evaporating as fast as it fell, then the depth of water would
> not be changing and would not have covered "the highest hills".
>
> You poor brain damaged deluded fool.
>
> Harry K
flood. I have already told you how to find that website.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:32:50 AM1/29/12
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Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 2:25:10 AM1/29/12
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> <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
snip
You don't get the logic (or rather lack of it) in your position, do
you. According to Genesis almost 30,.000 feet of rain fell. Where
did the water come from if the canopy wasn't thick? Do the maths.
snip
>
> > > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
>
> > > > Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. =A0The canopy would =A0b=
> > e
> > > > kilometers, not meters, =A0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometers if i=
> > e
> > n
> > > > the form of vapor.
>
> > > > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. =A0Just as =
> > > > the form of vapor.
>
> > a
> > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > > > Harry K
>
> > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
> > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
>
> > > > Harry K
>
> > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
>
> > Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> > of light from the surface.
>
> Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
>
> I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
> > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> > of light from the surface.
>
> Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
>
You don't get the logic (or rather lack of it) in your position, do
you. According to Genesis almost 30,.000 feet of rain fell. Where
did the water come from if the canopy wasn't thick? Do the maths.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:35:49 AM1/29/12
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In article <d339i7hmvder9ia78...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
If you choose to believe he has told the people that read his
mini-magazine is telling lies in that mini-magazine--so be it. I continue
to believe he is a Christian and is telling us truths and believes
whatever he tells us.
mini-magazine is telling lies in that mini-magazine--so be it. I continue
to believe he is a Christian and is telling us truths and believes
whatever he tells us.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:39:03 AM1/29/12
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In article <dfritzin-340EBB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> > In article <dfritzin-96FDC0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > <Jason-27011...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> > > > > > k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3DA0wrote:
> > > > evidence of=
> > > > > > > Noa=3D
> > > > valleys.=
> > > > > > > Noa=3D
> > > > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh
> > > > with a man
> > > > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 0He wa=3D
> > > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the
> > > > differen=
> > > > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story.
> > > > =3DA0Game=
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own
> > > > stories abou=
> > > > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the
> > > > story that =
> > > > passed down =
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those
> > > > > > > > > > stories.
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> > > > quoted te=
> evidence that clouds that are thin enough to allow light to pass through
> hold enough water to cover Mt. Everest. That, in order for Noah's flood
> to have happened as told in the Bible, it would have had to rain at a
> rate of 30 inches/minute?
>
> You were told that the area around the Grand Canyon was a sea bottom at
> one time by several posters quite a while ago. The fact is the land was
> uplifted over millions of years such that it was no longer a sea bottom,
> and the Colorado River gradually, over millions of years, eroded the
> Grand Canyon.
>
> If you actually want to learn something, see:
> http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/geologicformations.htm
I have two websites for you to visit:
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/apologetics/message/25093
David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > In article <dfritzin-96FDC0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > <Jason-27011...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> > > > > > k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 12:26=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >
<e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 12:26=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> RichTravsky
> > > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3DA0wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > evidence of=
> > > > > > > Noa=3D
> > > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers.
Glaciers
> > > > carve t=
> > > > > > > hem =3D
> > > > carve t=
> > > > > > > hem =3D
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development of
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > valleys.=
> > > > > > > Noa=3D
> > > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of
> > > > > > > > > > > >> canyons.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly
> > > > exaggerated o=
> > > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly
> > > > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgamesh
> > > > with a man
> > > > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3DA0He dealt in alcohol, grain,
> > > > an anima=
> > > > > > > ls. =3D
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0He
> > > > an anima=
> > > > > > > ls. =3D
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0He
> > > > > > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local
> > > > villages. =3DA=
> > > > > > > 0He wa=3D
> > > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3DA0When a
local flood
> > > > threate=
> > > > > > > ned hi=3D
> > > > > > > > > s
local flood
> > > > threate=
> > > > > > > ned hi=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood
> > > > washed them=
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > to sea. =3DA0They went so far out to see that they
couldn't
> > > > see lan=
> > > > washed them=
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > to sea. =3DA0They went so far out to see that they
couldn't
> > > > see lan=
> > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and
> > > > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and
ate the
> > > > animals=
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > grain. =3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim
> > > > went asho=
> > > > > > > re, th=3D
> > > > > > > > > ey
> > > > animals=
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > grain. =3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapishtim
> > > > went asho=
> > > > > > > re, th=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > were in a different country. =3DA0Fearing retribution from
> > > > his cred=
> > > > > > > itors
> > > > his cred=
> > > > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in the
> > > > differen=
> > > > > > > t
> > > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the
> > > > animals of th=
> > > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be
> > > > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be
able to
> > > > see any=
> > > > > > > lan=3D
> > > > > > > > > d
> > > > see any=
> > > > > > > lan=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the
> > > > > > > > > > > tallest
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > mountains). =3DA0It was also where the idea that
Noah was a
> > > > drunkar=
> > > > > > > d came=3D
> > > > > > > > > =A0from.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3DA0Just man embellishing a story
> > > > over and o=
> > > > > > > ver ag=3D
> > > > > > > > > ain
> > > > > > > > > > > tallest
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > mountains). =3DA0It was also where the idea that
Noah was a
> > > > drunkar=
> > > > > > > d came=3D
> > > > > > > > > =A0from.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3DA0Just man embellishing a story
> > > > over and o=
> > > > > > > ver ag=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original story.
> > > > =3DA0Game=
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own
> > > > stories abou=
> > > > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the
> > > > story that =
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were
> > > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > passed down =
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition.
> > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > my gue=
> > > > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > > > It's
> > > > my gue=
> > > > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of those
> > > > > > > > > > stories.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Epic
> > > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hide
> > > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > quoted te=
> > > > > > > xt -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jason: Please address the point about the earth being in total
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all
light.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was
> > covered with
> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of
> > a flash
> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did the clouds you saw hold enough water to completely cover the
earth,
> > > > > up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
> > > > > ocean is the sunlight completely gone. HInt: it is a lot less than 5
> > > > > miles.
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. It has rained in California
> > > > for
> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of
> > a flash
> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did the clouds you saw hold enough water to completely cover the
earth,
> > > > > up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
> > > > > ocean is the sunlight completely gone. HInt: it is a lot less than 5
> > > > > miles.
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. It has rained in California
> > > > about 7 days in a row. I will never forget it. Lots of people were
> > > > worried
> > > > about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
> > > > called the Russian River lost their homes. I don't live near the Russian
> > > > River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
> > >
> > > What has that got to do with Noah's nonexistent flood? The nonexistent
> > > canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
> > > of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
> > > about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
> > > Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
> > > of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
> > > the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
> > > to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
> > > happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
> >
> > I believe that Noah's flood did happen. Several posters admitted that the
> > Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water. I agree
> > with them--it was Noah's flood water. Of course, they claim there was a
> > different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
>
> Why are you running from my points? Why don't you try to come up with
> > > > worried
> > > > about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
> > > > called the Russian River lost their homes. I don't live near the Russian
> > > > River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
> > >
> > > What has that got to do with Noah's nonexistent flood? The nonexistent
> > > canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
> > > of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
> > > about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
> > > Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
> > > of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
> > > the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
> > > to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
> > > happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
> >
> > I believe that Noah's flood did happen. Several posters admitted that the
> > Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water. I agree
> > with them--it was Noah's flood water. Of course, they claim there was a
> > different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
>
> evidence that clouds that are thin enough to allow light to pass through
> hold enough water to cover Mt. Everest. That, in order for Noah's flood
> to have happened as told in the Bible, it would have had to rain at a
> rate of 30 inches/minute?
>
> You were told that the area around the Grand Canyon was a sea bottom at
> one time by several posters quite a while ago. The fact is the land was
> uplifted over millions of years such that it was no longer a sea bottom,
> and the Colorado River gradually, over millions of years, eroded the
> Grand Canyon.
>
> If you actually want to learn something, see:
> http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/geologicformations.htm
I have two websites for you to visit:
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/apologetics/message/25093
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:42:42 AM1/29/12
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In article <l349i7d1cblhvmkdb...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
I found it interesting that no posters told me the Grand Canyon was once
covered with ocean water until after I pointed out that ocean creature
fossils were found at the top of the some of canyon walls. I claimed those
sea creatures got there as a result of Noah's flood. It was at that point,
various posters told me that the Grand Canyon was covered with sea water
for some other reason.
covered with ocean water until after I pointed out that ocean creature
fossils were found at the top of the some of canyon walls. I claimed those
sea creatures got there as a result of Noah's flood. It was at that point,
various posters told me that the Grand Canyon was covered with sea water
for some other reason.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:45:28 AM1/29/12
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In article <Xns9FE8BD0EB6284...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
A fellow Christian came up with a different theory. He claims the
mountains were not very high prior to Noah's flood. If he is correct, the
canopy did not have to be very thick.
mountains were not very high prior to Noah's flood. If he is correct, the
canopy did not have to be very thick.
Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 2:39:09 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 28, 10:46 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-96FDC0.16255528012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-2801121304400...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> In article <dfritzin-96FDC0.16255528012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-2701121611420...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > xt -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Jason: Please address the point about the earth being in total
> > > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
>
> > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all light.
>
> > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was
> covered with
> > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of
> a flash
> > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
>
> > > > Did the clouds you saw hold enough water to completely cover the earth,
> > > > up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
>
> > > > Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
> > > > ocean is the sunlight completely gone. HInt: it is a lot less than 5
> > > > miles.
>
> > > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. It has rained in California for
> > > about 7 days in a row. I will never forget it. Lots of people were worried
> > > about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
> > > called the Russian River lost their homes. I don't live near the Russian
> > > River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
>
> > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
>
> > > > Did the clouds you saw hold enough water to completely cover the earth,
> > > > up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
>
> > > > Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
> > > > ocean is the sunlight completely gone. HInt: it is a lot less than 5
> > > > miles.
>
> > > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. It has rained in California for
> > > about 7 days in a row. I will never forget it. Lots of people were worried
> > > about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
> > > called the Russian River lost their homes. I don't live near the Russian
> > > River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
>
> > What has that got to do with Noah's nonexistent flood? The nonexistent
> > canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
> > of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
> > about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
> > Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
> > of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
> > the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
> > to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
> > happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
>
> I believe that Noah's flood did happen. Several posters admitted that the
> > canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a depth
> > of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babbling
> > about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
> > Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
> > of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
> > the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have had
> > to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
> > happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
>
> Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water. I agree
> with them--it was Noah's flood water. Of course, they claim there was a
> different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
Over 600 My the Colorado plateau has been submerged several times,
with the last time 250 MILLION YEARS AGO. Stop saying people
'admitted' that fact, as though you are the earnest seeker after truth
who dragged it out.. You are entirely ignorant of geology. You have
admitted it. You know nothing about the layers of rock in the Canyon,
one of which is effectively a fossilised desert from Permian times.
You have refused to explain how any flood can form such a layer.
While deserts are being mentioned, the Atacama and Namib have been
arid for millions of years. You can, and do, ignore those points but
they destroy your flood myth.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 2:47:04 AM1/29/12
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Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 2:54:52 AM1/29/12
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> <2dec602a-0242-49ec-bde5-459d6cac3...@v6g2000pba.googlegroups.com>, harry
Your "one Christian" clearly knows as much about mountain building as
you. In other words - nothing. Your latest website re Mexico won't
open. The message is "Sorry, we can't find "biblegeology.net". Please
check the spelling of the web address"
Why are you so incompetent?
you. In other words - nothing. Your latest website re Mexico won't
open. The message is "Sorry, we can't find "biblegeology.net". Please
check the spelling of the web address"
Why are you so incompetent?
Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 2:57:26 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 29, 8:39 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
snip
> > Why are you running from my points? Why don't you try to come up with
> > evidence that clouds that are thin enough to allow light to pass through
> > hold enough water to cover Mt. Everest. That, in order for Noah's flood
> > to have happened as told in the Bible, it would have had to rain at a
> > rate of 30 inches/minute?
>
> > You were told that the area around the Grand Canyon was a sea bottom at
> > one time by several posters quite a while ago. The fact is the land was
> > uplifted over millions of years such that it was no longer a sea bottom,
> > and the Colorado River gradually, over millions of years, eroded the
> > Grand Canyon.
>
> > If you actually want to learn something, see:
> >http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/geologicformations.htm
>
> I have two websites for you to visit:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/apologetics/message/25093
>
> I found some info. on the internet today. Some Christian has a theory that
> I have never heard before.
>
> http://biblegeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
>
> click on: Latest Blogs
>
> also click on: Question: answer Where did the Flood Waters Go?
>
> Make sure to read his answer to that question.
How? your website isn't there! The error message is "Sorry, we can't
snip
> > Why are you running from my points? Why don't you try to come up with
> > evidence that clouds that are thin enough to allow light to pass through
> > hold enough water to cover Mt. Everest. That, in order for Noah's flood
> > to have happened as told in the Bible, it would have had to rain at a
> > rate of 30 inches/minute?
>
> > You were told that the area around the Grand Canyon was a sea bottom at
> > one time by several posters quite a while ago. The fact is the land was
> > uplifted over millions of years such that it was no longer a sea bottom,
> > and the Colorado River gradually, over millions of years, eroded the
> > Grand Canyon.
>
> > If you actually want to learn something, see:
> >http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/geologicformations.htm
>
> I have two websites for you to visit:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/apologetics/message/25093
>
> I found some info. on the internet today. Some Christian has a theory that
> I have never heard before.
>
> http://biblegeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
>
> click on: Latest Blogs
>
> also click on: Question: answer Where did the Flood Waters Go?
>
> Make sure to read his answer to that question.
find "biblegeology.net". Please check the spelling of the web address"
Why are you so incompetent.
Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 3:11:19 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 29, 8:45 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <Xns9FE8BD0EB6284nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> > >> <Jason-2801121305580...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Who is this "fellow Christian"? Where is his research published? Is
he also a professional, or even amateur, geologist? Such a claim, if
true, would earn a Nobel Prize.
Oh wait, It's Jason telling us. I wonder if this person even exists?
> In article <Xns9FE8BD0EB6284nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-436C1F.16195828012...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > >> <Jason-2801121305580...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
he also a professional, or even amateur, geologist? Such a claim, if
true, would earn a Nobel Prize.
Oh wait, It's Jason telling us. I wonder if this person even exists?
Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 3:13:26 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 29, 8:47 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <vl59i79q22f06orolv0qhu3iqk7huul...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> > >>> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Can't or won't? After all, it's boring trying to prove your point.
The info was posted a few days ago.
> In article <vl59i79q22f06orolv0qhu3iqk7huul...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:42:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> > wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> > >Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> In article
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:42:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
> > wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> > >Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > >> In article
> > >> <dfritzin-436C1F.16195828012...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > >> Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> In article
> > >>> <Jason-2801121305580...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> In article
> > >>> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
The info was posted a few days ago.
Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 3:06:50 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 29, 8:42 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <l349i7d1cblhvmkdb6oud7mqs3madvq...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
It wasn't relevant with regard to a mythical flood. A quick glace at
http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc_layer.htm would have
shown you that some layers were formed underwater. You never do your
own research. The top layer contains fossils. Forgot that, didn't
you? You were told. It takes millions of years to form those fossils,
not a floode 4 or so thousand years ago. You were told that too.
Why are you so mendacious.
> In article <l349i7d1cblhvmkdb6oud7mqs3madvq...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:46:20 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article <dfritzin-96FDC0.16255528012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:46:20 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/geology/gc_layer.htm would have
shown you that some layers were formed underwater. You never do your
own research. The top layer contains fossils. Forgot that, didn't
you? You were told. It takes millions of years to form those fossils,
not a floode 4 or so thousand years ago. You were told that too.
Why are you so mendacious.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 3:33:49 AM1/29/12
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In article
<30445fa5-3b8e-4ab7...@n12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:39=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> snip
>
> > > Why are you running from my points? Why don't you try to come up with
> > > evidence that clouds that are thin enough to allow light to pass throug=
bilicalgeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
If that does not work, try a google search for
"Noah's Flood in Mexico"
<30445fa5-3b8e-4ab7...@n12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:39=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> snip
>
> > > Why are you running from my points? Why don't you try to come up with
> h
> > > hold enough water to cover Mt. Everest. That, in order for Noah's flood
> > > to have happened as told in the Bible, it would have had to rain at a
> > > rate of 30 inches/minute?
> >
> > > You were told that the area around the Grand Canyon was a sea bottom at
> > > one time by several posters quite a while ago. The fact is the land was
> > > uplifted over millions of years such that it was no longer a sea bottom=
> > > hold enough water to cover Mt. Everest. That, in order for Noah's flood
> > > to have happened as told in the Bible, it would have had to rain at a
> > > rate of 30 inches/minute?
> >
> > > You were told that the area around the Grand Canyon was a sea bottom at
> > > one time by several posters quite a while ago. The fact is the land was
> ,
> > > and the Colorado River gradually, over millions of years, eroded the
> > > Grand Canyon.
> >
> > > If you actually want to learn something, see:
> > >http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/geologicformations.htm
> >
> > I have two websites for you to visit:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/apologetics/message/25093
> >
> > I found some info. on the internet today. Some Christian has a theory tha=
> > > and the Colorado River gradually, over millions of years, eroded the
> > > Grand Canyon.
> >
> > > If you actually want to learn something, see:
> > >http://www.nps.gov/grca/naturescience/geologicformations.htm
> >
> > I have two websites for you to visit:
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/apologetics/message/25093
> >
> t
> > I have never heard before.
> >
> > http://biblegeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
> >
> > click on: Latest Blogs
> >
> > also click on: Question: answer Where did the Flood Waters Go?
> >
> > Make sure to read his answer to that question.
>
> How? your website isn't there! The error message is "Sorry, we can't
> find "biblegeology.net". Please check the spelling of the web address"
> Why are you so incompetent.
try:
> > I have never heard before.
> >
> > http://biblegeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
> >
> > click on: Latest Blogs
> >
> > also click on: Question: answer Where did the Flood Waters Go?
> >
> > Make sure to read his answer to that question.
>
> How? your website isn't there! The error message is "Sorry, we can't
> find "biblegeology.net". Please check the spelling of the web address"
> Why are you so incompetent.
bilicalgeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
If that does not work, try a google search for
"Noah's Flood in Mexico"
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 3:35:09 AM1/29/12
to
In article
<48b9714d-4539-4972...@p21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:46=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-96FDC0.16255528012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-2801121304400...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org=
> ravsky
> > > > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3DA0wrote:
> > > > > > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> iers
> > > > carve t=3D
> > > > > > > hem =3D3D
> of
> > > > valleys.=3D
> > > > > > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of ca=
> > > > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgames=
> rain,
> > > > an anima=3D
> > > > > > > ls. =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > 0He wa=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3DA0When a local=
> flood
> > > > threate=3D
> > > > > > > ned hi=3D3D
> > > > > > > =A0out
> > > > > > > > > > > to sea. =3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they co=
> uldn't
> > > > see lan=3D
> > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate=
> the
> > > > animals=3D
> > > > > > > =A0and
> > > > > > > > > > > grain. =3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapis=
> htim
> > > > went asho=3D
> > > > > > > re, th=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ey
> > > > > > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3DA0Fearing retribution=
> from
> > > > his cred=3D
> > > > > > > itors
> > > > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in =
> the
> > > > differen=3D
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be abl=
> e to
> > > > see any=3D
> > > > > > > =A0lan=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the t=
> allest
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > mountains). =3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah=
> was a
> > > > drunkar=3D
> > > > > > > d came=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3DA0Just man embellishing a st=
> ory
> > > > over and o=3D
> > > > > > > ver ag=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ain
> > > > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original stor=
> y.
> > > > =3D3DA0Game=3D
> > > > > > > =A0of
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition.=
> It's
> > > > my gue=3D
> > > > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of tho=
> de
> > > > quoted te=3D
> al
> > > > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all li=
> 5
> > > > > miles.
> >
> > > > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. It has rained in Californi=
> a for
> > > > about 7 days in a row. I will never forget it. Lots of people were wo=
> h
> > > of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babblin=
<48b9714d-4539-4972...@p21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:46=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-96FDC0.16255528012...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-2801121304400...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-18AF11.07004928012...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-2701121611420...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-2701121611420...@67-150-168-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article
> >
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 12:26=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <e60f5c6c-e6fe-4627-97ca-c57921145...@b20g2000yqb.googlegroup=
> >
> > > > > > In article
> >
> > <6f0d6968-b26c-4f29-8c84-59ee8598a...@c9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Jan 27, 12:26=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > On Jan 27, 7:39=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> In article<4F1CC861.3F13F...@hotmMOVEail.com>, RichT=
> > > > > > > > > > In article <jfsn0j$jk...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> >
> > > > > > > > > > <danielsan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 1/26/2012 12:57 PM, RichTravsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jason wrote:
> >
> ravsky
> > > > > > > > > > > >> <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> =3D3DA0wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are
> > > > evidence of=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> DanielSan wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On 1/22/2012 2:20 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> For example, the thousands of valleys
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> in the world that don't have rivers or creeks are
> > > > > > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Not to mention that valleys don't need rivers. Glac=
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Flood.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Rivers can't dry up?
> >
> iers
> > > > carve t=3D
> > > > > > > hem =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Yes, I agree that glaciers can cause the development=
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> they also form through uplift.
> >
> of
> > > > valleys.=3D
> > > > > > > =A0Noa=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > h's
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Flood also caused the development of thousands of ca=
> nyons.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly
> > > > exaggerated o=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Noah didn't exist nor did this flood...
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've heard stories that the story of Noah was greatly
> > > > > > > ver
> > > > > > > > > > > time and was originally a story in the Epic of Gilgames=
> h
> > > > with a man
> > > > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Utnapishtim was a trader. =3D3DA0He dealt in alcohol, g=
> > > > with a man
> > > > > > > > > > > named Utnapishtim.
> >
> rain,
> > > > an anima=3D
> > > > > > > ls. =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0He
> > > > > > > > > > > took his boat out on a river to trade with the local
> > > > villages. =3D3DA=3D
> > > > > > > 0He wa=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > > massively in debt to his creditors. =3D3DA0When a local=
> flood
> > > > threate=3D
> > > > > > > ned hi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood
> > > > washed them=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > trade, he packed his family onto the boat and the flood
> > > > > > > =A0out
> > > > > > > > > > > to sea. =3D3DA0They went so far out to see that they co=
> uldn't
> > > > see lan=3D
> > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > anywhere around them.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > While out there, they caroused with the alcohol and ate=
> the
> > > > animals=3D
> > > > > > > =A0and
> > > > > > > > > > > grain. =3D3DA0When the floodwaters subsided and Utnapis=
> htim
> > > > went asho=3D
> > > > > > > re, th=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ey
> > > > > > > > > > > were in a different country. =3D3DA0Fearing retribution=
> from
> > > > his cred=3D
> > > > > > > itors
> > > > > > > > > > > (they consumed the delivery), he settled his family in =
> the
> > > > differen=3D
> > > > > > > t
> > > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the
> > > > animals of th=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > country (apparently modern-day Qatar).
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > That story morphed over time to Noah carrying all the
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > world on his ark and the rain caused Noah to not be abl=
> e to
> > > > see any=3D
> > > > > > > =A0lan=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > (assuming that the floodwaters had swallowed even the t=
> allest
> > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > mountains). =3D3DA0It was also where the idea that Noah=
> was a
> > > > drunkar=3D
> > > > > > > d came=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nothing supernatural. =3D3DA0Just man embellishing a st=
> ory
> > > > over and o=3D
> > > > > > > ver ag=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ain
> > > > > > > > > > > until it was almost unrecognizable as the original stor=
> y.
> > > > =3D3DA0Game=3D
> > > > > > > =A0of
> > > > > > > > > > > telephone, y'know?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own
> > > > stories abou=3D
> >
> > > > > > > > > > It's my understanding that other cultures have their own
> > > > > > > t a
> > > > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the
> > > > story that =3D
> > > > > > > > > > worldwide flood. Many of those stories are similar to the
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were
> > > > passed down =3D
> > > > > > > > > > posted above and the Noah's Ark story.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Those types of stories lead me to believe that they were
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > generation to generation. It's called the oral tradition.=
> It's
> > > > my gue=3D
> > > > > > > ss
> > > > > > > > > > that Noah and his children was the original source of tho=
> se
> > > > > > > > > > stories.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> > > > > > > > > However, they are not similar at all to the one from the Ep=
> > > > > > > > > > stories.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Indeed there are many flood myths from around the world.
> >
> ic of
> > > > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> > > > > > > > Yes, but some portions of all of the stories are similar.- Hi=
> > > > > > > > > Gilamesh, nor are they similar to the Biblical flood story.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Some have no survivors.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Some have only two people surviving.
> >
> > > > > > > > > The reason and cause for the flood are different.
> >
> > > > > > > > > The list of differences is long.
> >
> > > > > > > > > But I am sure you get my drift.
> >
> de
> > > > quoted te=3D
> > > > > > > xt -
> >
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > Jason: =A0Please address the point about the earth being in tot=
> >
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> al
> > > > > > > darkness until Ye Floode due to that canopy blocking out all li=
> ght.
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was
> > covered with
> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of
> > a flash
> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> >
> > > > > Did the clouds you saw hold enough water to completely cover the ea=
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was
> > covered with
> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use of
> > a flash
> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.
> >
> rth,
> > > > > up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
> >
> > > > > Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
> > > > > ocean is the sunlight completely gone. HInt: it is a lot less than =
> > > > > up to the top of Mt. Everest? The answer is no.
> >
> > > > > Here is something for you to look up. Find out at what depth in the
> 5
> > > > > miles.
> >
> > > > I don't believe the canopy was very thick. It has rained in Californi=
> a for
> > > > about 7 days in a row. I will never forget it. Lots of people were wo=
> rried
> > > > about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
> > > > called the Russian River lost their homes. I don't live near the Russ=
> > > > about flood damage. Lots of people that lived near what I believe is
> ian
> > > > River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
> >
> > > What has that got to do with Noah's nonexistent flood? The nonexistent
> > > canopy would have had to hold enough water to cover the earth to a dept=
> > > > River but recall seeing videos of that area on the news.
> >
> > > What has that got to do with Noah's nonexistent flood? The nonexistent
> h
> > > of 5 miles or more. In the case of the California storm you are babblin=
> g
> > > about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
> > > Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
> > > of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
> > > the Pacific. If Noah's nonexistent flood had happened, it would have ha=
> > > about, the rain came from a number of storms coming off the Pacific
> > > Ocean. IOW, it was raining hard in part of California, but not in a lot
> > > of other places, and the rain was fed by a number of storms coming off
> d
> > > to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
> > > happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
> >
> > I believe that Noah's flood did happen. Several posters admitted that the
> > Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water. I agree
> > with them--it was Noah's flood water. Of course, they claim there was a
> > different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
>
> Over 600 My the Colorado plateau has been submerged several times,
> with the last time 250 MILLION YEARS AGO. Stop saying people
> 'admitted' that fact, as though you are the earnest seeker after truth
> who dragged it out.. You are entirely ignorant of geology. You have
> admitted it. You know nothing about the layers of rock in the Canyon,
> one of which is effectively a fossilised desert from Permian times.
> You have refused to explain how any flood can form such a layer.
> While deserts are being mentioned, the Atacama and Namib have been
> arid for millions of years. You can, and do, ignore those points but
> they destroy your flood myth.
I continue to believe Noah's flood did happen.
> > > to rain at the rate of >360 inches/hr., or 30"/minute. That couldn't
> > > happen, and, obviously, didn't happen.
> >
> > I believe that Noah's flood did happen. Several posters admitted that the
> > Grand Canyon area of the world was once covered with ocean water. I agree
> > with them--it was Noah's flood water. Of course, they claim there was a
> > different source for that ocean water covering the Grand Canyon.
>
> Over 600 My the Colorado plateau has been submerged several times,
> with the last time 250 MILLION YEARS AGO. Stop saying people
> 'admitted' that fact, as though you are the earnest seeker after truth
> who dragged it out.. You are entirely ignorant of geology. You have
> admitted it. You know nothing about the layers of rock in the Canyon,
> one of which is effectively a fossilised desert from Permian times.
> You have refused to explain how any flood can form such a layer.
> While deserts are being mentioned, the Atacama and Namib have been
> arid for millions of years. You can, and do, ignore those points but
> they destroy your flood myth.
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 3:38:23 AM1/29/12
to
In article
<dfd4e3f7-c8a8-4c95...@x19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:05=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
>
> snip
> >
> > > > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount=
> d =3DA0b=3D
> > > e
> > > > > kilometers, not meters, =3DA0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometer=
> s if i=3D
> st as =3D
as they are now.
http://bibligeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
<dfd4e3f7-c8a8-4c95...@x19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:05=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
>
> snip
> >
> of
> > > > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> > > > > Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. =3DA0The canopy woul=
> > > > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> d =3DA0b=3D
> > > e
> > > > > kilometers, not meters, =3DA0thick if liquid, hundreds of kilometer=
> s if i=3D
> > > n
> > > > > the form of vapor.
> >
> > > > > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water. =3DA0Ju=
> > > > > the form of vapor.
> >
> st as =3D
> > > a
> > > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
> >
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea divin=
> > > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
> >
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> g.
> >
> > > Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> > > of light from the surface.
> >
> > Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
> >
> > I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
>
> You don't get the logic (or rather lack of it) in your position, do
> you. According to Genesis almost 30,.000 feet of rain fell. Where
> did the water come from if the canopy wasn't thick? Do the maths.
One Christian believes the mountains prior to the flood were not as high
> >
> > > Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> > > of light from the surface.
> >
> > Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
> >
> > I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
>
> You don't get the logic (or rather lack of it) in your position, do
> you. According to Genesis almost 30,.000 feet of rain fell. Where
> did the water come from if the canopy wasn't thick? Do the maths.
as they are now.
http://bibligeology.net/2006/noahs_flood_in_mexico.html
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 3:39:51 AM1/29/12
to
In article
<a1dd7317-3d22-42fd...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:45=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <Xns9FE8BD0EB6284nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <dfritzin-436C1F.16195828012...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article
> > > >> <Jason-2801121305580...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02-8960-7fe865d19...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com=
> py
> > > > would =3DA0b=3D
> > > >> > > e
> > > >> > > > > kilometers, not meters, =3DA0thick if liquid, hundreds of
> > > > kilometers if i=3D
> > > >> > > a
> > > >> > > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into you=
> r
> > > >> > > > > head.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > >> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep se=
> >
> > > =A0The rain that fell on the earth
<a1dd7317-3d22-42fd...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 8:45=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <Xns9FE8BD0EB6284nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article
> > > > <dfritzin-436C1F.16195828012...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> In article
> > > >> <Jason-2801121305580...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >,
> > > >> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > On Jan 28, 9:28=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > snip
> >
> > > >> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky
> > > >> > > > > > was
> > > > covered =3D
> > > >> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > On Jan 28, 9:28=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> > > snip
> >
> > > >> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky
> > > >> > > > > > was
> > > >> > > with
> > > >> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making
> > > >> > > > > > use
> > > > of a f=3D
> > > >> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making
> > > >> > > > > > use
> > > >> > > lash
> > > >> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide
> > > >> > > > > > quoted text -
> >
> > > >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > >> > > > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the
> > > >> > > > > amount of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. =3DA0The cano=
> > > >> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide
> > > >> > > > > > quoted text -
> >
> > > >> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > >> > > > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the
> > > >> > > > > amount of water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> >
> py
> > > > would =3DA0b=3D
> > > >> > > e
> > > >> > > > > kilometers, not meters, =3DA0thick if liquid, hundreds of
> > > > kilometers if i=3D
> > > >> > > n
> > > >> > > > > the form of vapor.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water.
> > > > =3DA0Just as =3D
> > > >> > > > > the form of vapor.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water.
> > > >> > > a
> > > >> > > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into you=
> r
> > > >> > > > > head.
> >
> > > >> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > >> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep se=
> a
> > > >> > > > diving.
> >
> > > >> > > Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > > >> > > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the
> > > >> > > lack of light from the surface.
> >
> > > >> > Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
> >
> > > >> > I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
> >
> > > >> Then, where did the water come from? You are saying there wasn't
> > > >> enough water in the supposed canopy, so where did it come from?
> >
> > > > I believe that the water during the first approx. 20 days of Noah's
> > > > flood came from the collapsed canopy.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0That is not in the Bible.
> > > >> > > > diving.
> >
> > > >> > > Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > > >> > > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the
> > > >> > > lack of light from the surface.
> >
> > > >> > Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
> >
> > > >> > I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
> >
> > > >> Then, where did the water come from? You are saying there wasn't
> > > >> enough water in the supposed canopy, so where did it come from?
> >
> > > > I believe that the water during the first approx. 20 days of Noah's
> > > > flood came from the collapsed canopy.
> >
> >
> > > =A0The rain that fell on the earth
> > > > during the last approx. 20 days of Noah's flood came from evaporated
> > > > water from oceans and large lakes.
> >
> > > =A0 =A0 =A0That is not in the Bible either.
> > > > water from oceans and large lakes.
> >
> >
> > A fellow Christian came up with a different theory. He claims the
> > mountains were not very high prior to Noah's flood. If he is correct, the
> > canopy did not have to be very thick.
>
> Who is this "fellow Christian"? Where is his research published? Is
> he also a professional, or even amateur, geologist? Such a claim, if
> true, would earn a Nobel Prize.
> Oh wait, It's Jason telling us. I wonder if this person even exists?
> > A fellow Christian came up with a different theory. He claims the
> > mountains were not very high prior to Noah's flood. If he is correct, the
> > canopy did not have to be very thick.
>
> Who is this "fellow Christian"? Where is his research published? Is
> he also a professional, or even amateur, geologist? Such a claim, if
> true, would earn a Nobel Prize.
> Oh wait, It's Jason telling us. I wonder if this person even exists?
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 3:50:58 AM1/29/12
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In article <hlwdjsd-86FAAC...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Jeanne
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
>
> > > Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>
> Was there ever a rain that fell at 30 feet per hour?
>
> If not, then comparing your flood to a normal rain storm is nonsense.
NO
Douglas <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > <d4428489-ba91-473c...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
> In article
> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
>
> > > Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
> >
> > I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
> > believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
> > I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
> > California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
>
> Was there ever a rain that fell at 30 feet per hour?
>
> If not, then comparing your flood to a normal rain storm is nonsense.
NO
Jason
Jan 29, 2012, 3:53:44 AM1/29/12
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In article <hlwdjsd-5074E7...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Jeanne
kilometers if i=
> > > a
> > > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
> > > >
> > > > > Harry K
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
> top of Mt. Everest. It takes grade school math to calculate how thick a
> canopy would have to be to hold that much water.
>
> Unless you're stating that arithmetic is subject to belief?
One Christian that has a website claims the mountains prior to the flood
were not as high as they are now. If he is correct, that means the canopy
would have to be very thick.
Douglas <hlw...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <c1e92855-6ded-4d02...@z31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> In article
> <Jason-28011...@67-150-168-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 28, 9:28=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > snip
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was
covered =
> >
> > > On Jan 28, 9:28=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > snip
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > I have outside on very cloudy rainy days. The entire sky was
covered =
> > > with
> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use
of a f=
> > > > > > rain clouds. Guess what--I could easily see without making use
of a f=
> > > lash
> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
> > > >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > >
> > > > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > > > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> > > >
> > > > > > light. That is how it was prior to Noah's flood.- Hide quoted text -
> > > >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> > > >
> > > > > And those clouds would not even be a pimple comapared to the amount of
> > > > > water (or water vapor) contained in said canopy.
> > > >
> > > > > Light will _not_ penetrate past 200m of water. =A0The canopy
would =A0b=
> > > e
> > > > > kilometers, not meters, =A0thick if liquid, hundreds of
would =A0b=
> > > e
kilometers if i=
> > > n
> > > > > the form of vapor.
> > > >
> > > > > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water.
=A0Just as =
> > > > > the form of vapor.
> > > >
> > > > > Again, light will _not_ penetrate more than 200 m in water.
> > > a
> > > > > scientific fact will not penetrate even 1 nanometer into your head.
> > > >
> > > > > Harry K
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if you are correct. I have never done any deep sea diving.
> > >
> > > Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> > > of light from the surface.
> >
> > Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
> >
> > I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
>
> Then you don't believe it held enough water to flood the earth to the
> > > Your ignorance of deep sea diving is no surprise, though enough
> > > programmes on deep sea creatures have been on TV to confirm the lack
> > > of light from the surface.
> >
> > Yes, I have seen those types of shows--totally dark.
> >
> > I don't believe the canopy level was very thick.
>
> top of Mt. Everest. It takes grade school math to calculate how thick a
> canopy would have to be to hold that much water.
>
> Unless you're stating that arithmetic is subject to belief?
One Christian that has a website claims the mountains prior to the flood
were not as high as they are now. If he is correct, that means the canopy
would have to be very thick.
Devils Advocaat
Jan 29, 2012, 3:58:55 AM1/29/12
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On Jan 29, 7:35 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <d339i7hmvder9ia78sjaiptik1k5k43...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> harry
Poor Jason saying you believe that someone believes what they have
said is true doesn't make it true.
> In article <d339i7hmvder9ia78sjaiptik1k5k43...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:42:01 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article <ghp8i714nmkjbil73mq13o4gl0ib6g5...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:42:01 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > >> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:12:41 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >> >In article <d8r7i7t8prind26bnb79vi02mmjo3mt...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>
> > >> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:12:41 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >> ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > >> >> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:28:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >> alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >> >> >In article
>
> ><f7b5d8d8-5ea2-46c3-8b2e-2aedbc330...@rk3g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >> >> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:28:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >> alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >> >> >In article
>
> harry
said is true doesn't make it true.
Devils Advocaat
Jan 29, 2012, 5:31:20 AM1/29/12
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Wombat
Jan 29, 2012, 6:17:39 AM1/29/12
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> <a1dd7317-3d22-42fd-a4d5-ea1fa47fa...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
The web site does not open. Please either give a working url or tell
me who he is and what he is saying. I'm fed up with your
uncooperative attitude.
me who he is and what he is saying. I'm fed up with your
uncooperative attitude.
Jim Burns
Jan 29, 2012, 7:48:09 AM1/29/12
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On 1/28/2012 11:47 PM, harry k wrote:
Wow! California got covered with water up to the height of the Rockies?
I am surprised I didn't hear about it in the news.
> The minimum thickness of the canopy wouild have to be the same as the
> depth of the water covering 'the highest hills' or a bit less
> depending on how high up the canopy was.. To be even that 'thin' the
> canopy would have to be liquid water. If the canopy was water in the
According to Jason, God put the canopy in place when He created
the Earth. It could only have been put in place _for the purpose_
of having a Great Flood. We can see this clearly both in how
well the Earth works now without a canopy and in that God did
not replace the canopy after the Great Flood.
As Jason describes Him, God is a father who generously
builds a house for his son and his son's wife and children,
but who builds explosives into the walls, just in case they
ever disrespect him.
>> <d4428489-ba91-473c-9eec-0b0bb8381...@l16g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
>> Wombat<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>>> Do the maths needed for a canopy shedding nigh on 30,000 feet of rain.
>> Wombat<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>>
>> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
>> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
>> believe the canopy layer did not have to be very thick.
>> I don't know if that is correct. We have had some major rain storms in
>> California that have lasted for seven days in a row. That leads me to
Wow! California got covered with water up to the height of the Rockies?
I am surprised I didn't hear about it in the news.
> The minimum thickness of the canopy wouild have to be the same as the
> depth of the water covering 'the highest hills' or a bit less
> canopy would have to be liquid water. If the canopy was water in the
> vapor form, like clouds, it would be some one hundred times thicker
> than that.
>
> No matter how you play around with your mythical canopy, it cannot be
> made towork for several different reasons.
>
> Darkness
> Weight
> Heat
> Source/destination.
> Atmospheric pressure.
>
> Pick any one and we can discuss it.
Add one more to your list: morality.
> than that.
>
> No matter how you play around with your mythical canopy, it cannot be
> made towork for several different reasons.
>
> Darkness
> Weight
> Heat
> Source/destination.
> Atmospheric pressure.
>
> Pick any one and we can discuss it.
According to Jason, God put the canopy in place when He created
the Earth. It could only have been put in place _for the purpose_
of having a Great Flood. We can see this clearly both in how
well the Earth works now without a canopy and in that God did
not replace the canopy after the Great Flood.
As Jason describes Him, God is a father who generously
builds a house for his son and his son's wife and children,
but who builds explosives into the walls, just in case they
ever disrespect him.
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