Mayor of Miami Condemns Atheists
Carl Christensen
From the Miami Herald
"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
ClaySkye
We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
ClayeSkye
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Carl Christensen
>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
Well I guess we're blamed for Fidel Castro; as if anybody controlled
by the EAC would allow the pope to visit! ;-)
I'll say one thing, the fascist & terrorist tactics of the CANF in
Miami doesn't seem any different from the alleged horrible tacts of
Castro...
Francois Tremblay
<dpr3gsoi20pbi6gft...@4ax.com>:
>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>
>From the Miami Herald
>
>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>
>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
I wouldn't trust any government, atheist or not.
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Dave Holloway
>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>>
>>From the Miami Herald
>>
>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>>
>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
*hand raised*
Dave
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Rune Boersjoe
>
>From the Miami Herald
>
>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>
>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
This is a joke right? Bad pun? Tell me you made this up? Please? No
one can truly be this dumb.
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kojak
Government. I don't see how it has anything to do with Atheism.
The political and theological football game is simply an example
of the madness within the American mentality, unable to
understand what is in the best interest of a six-year old child
and that is NOT a fucking MACHINE GUN in his face.
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Rune Boersjoe
>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
*raises hand with Glock 9mm*
Oops... how'd that get there?
Landis D. Ragon
>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>>
>>From the Miami Herald
>>
>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>>
>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
>This is a joke right? Bad pun? Tell me you made this up? Please?
>No one can truly be this dumb.
This is 'Muraka. Where the opportunities to be dumb are truly
limitless.
<*sigh*>
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DJ Nozem
>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>>From the Miami Herald
>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
I know I would be sick, but frankly I can only laugh at this
stupidity, fits right in the whole issue about Elian, which is a
hilarious soap opera for any non-USA citizen anyway, very
demonstrative of that good old insanity we all have grown to love, so
keep up the good show, I'd say.
But to be fair with this stupid ( or populist ) mayor, he didn't blame
the problem on the atheists in general, he "only" said that people who
engaged in this sort of activity had to be atheists. Yes there is a
difference between being scapegoats and being used as poison for
wells, though I can't say which is worse.
You have my sympathies.
Anyway, I think the federal govt. did the right thing, though I
disapprove of the ( typical ) methods used to get the kid to it's
father.
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Rune Boersjoe
>limitless.
Damn. That's it. Next time I do something wrong I'm going to blame
Rock Music for corrupting my mind.
Rune Boersjoe
>stupidity, fits right in the whole issue about Elian, which is a
>hilarious soap opera for any non-USA citizen anyway, very
>demonstrative of that good old insanity we all have grown to love, so
>keep up the good show, I'd say.
I was just getting to that =)
Where else would millions of people obsess over the fate of one boy,
while millions of Elians are far worse off right under one's noses.
Rune Boersjoe
>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
So... Elian Gonzalez' house was a Church? Or did I miss something? =P
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> Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>
> From the Miami Herald
>
> "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>
> don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
I know that I'd never trust any government that idiot was a part of, so I
guess we're even.
>
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> I'm horrified by the police state tactics of the American
> Government. I don't see how it has anything to do with Atheism.
> The political and theological football game is simply an example
> of the madness within the American mentality, unable to
> understand what is in the best interest of a six-year old child
> and that is NOT a fucking MACHINE GUN in his face.
I agree that the raid was not the best thing that could have happened to
Elian. However, I think the atmosphere he was surrounded by in "Little
Havana" was far more harmful than a few seconds of confrontation. Imagine
what could have happened to the kid if he'd grown up with that mob of
religious whack-jobs and militant morons all over the place there! He would
have been nearly as loony as Dore, and probably thinking he WAS Moses!
*Nemo*
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> >Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
> >
> >From the Miami Herald
> >
> >"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
> >
> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
is
> sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
My hand's up. You betcha!
>
>
> ClayeSkye
> #4 (Head of EAC Department of Education/Reeducation)
> I still believe that I cannot be saved-Smashing Pumpkins
> Rednecks didn't do this. Rednecks aren't this creative-Michael, The Blair
> Witch Project
*Nemo*
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> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside. And
they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done everything
they could to make it a bloody church they could.
BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
> --
>
>
> Which is scarier? The fact that Windows can make your
> system collapse, or that Microsoft found it necessary
> to build in a recovery tool?
*Nemo*
> >Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
> >
> >From the Miami Herald
> >
> >"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
> >
> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
> one can truly be this dumb.
If only this were so. I've seen far crazier things out of elected officials.
After all, I'm from North Carolina, home of Jesse - Helms, that is!
*Nemo*
> >This is 'Muraka. Where the opportunities to be dumb are truly
> >limitless.
>
> Damn. That's it. Next time I do something wrong I'm going to blame
> Rock Music for corrupting my mind.
Ha! You'll be thinging like a Yankee before you know it! Talk about
dangerous mind-viruses!
DJ Nozem
<NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote:
>>I know I would be sick, but frankly I can only laugh at this
>>stupidity, fits right in the whole issue about Elian, which is a
>>hilarious soap opera for any non-USA citizen anyway, very
>>demonstrative of that good old insanity we all have grown to love, so
>>keep up the good show, I'd say.
>I was just getting to that =)
Grab the munchies!
>Where else would millions of people obsess over the fate of one boy,
>while millions of Elians are far worse off right under one's noses.
Uhh......Norway? ;-)
Seriously, you're right, I can't think of this happening elsewhere on
nearly the same scale.
People can become personifications of social and political problems
and/or ideals, that much I can understand, but the spectacle people
will make of this is only possible in the land of sensationalism and
ten seconds of fame.
walks...@total.confusion.org
snip
> >"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
Well, I can't argue the not trust the govt. line, but did anyone expect
anything else from a politician in a very heavy catholic population?
> We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
> sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
Absolutely lass, do hizzoner have an e mail addy by chance. How about the
Miami Herold? Be interesting if they take email letters to the editor.
Oh course, you did notice "hese atheists" are not named, reckon why. Not
really.
> ClayeSkye
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> I'm horrified by the police state tactics of the American
> Government. I don't see how it has anything to do with Atheism.
> The political and theological football game is simply an example
> of the madness within the American mentality, unable to
> understand what is in the best interest of a six-year old child
> and that is NOT a fucking MACHINE GUN in his face.
>
I can't help but agree with the tactics used. You have had a 6 year old boy
living with some very militant activists since november. Would you as a
rational person trust those people at all? Those agents were toting much
more kevlar than metal. They had to have figured on using force because not
only could they expect the family and town to use violence but also for the
boy to be indoctrinated to be scared of them. Would you expect them to try
to convince him in 5 minutes to go with them?
I think it's hillarious. You have agents coming into a madhouse using just
reasonable precautions. They are trained to be cool and collected to deal
with a hostage situation and to take the boy out without causing him any
harm. And then you have some b*tch that he's been living with for half a
year going ballistic in front of them, screaming and crying for them to not
traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos she
was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
Hendrix Fan
a.a atheist #1692
ClaySkye
>
>>>From the Miami Herald
>
>>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>I know I would be sick, but frankly I can only laugh at this
>stupidity, fits right in the whole issue about Elian, which is a
>hilarious soap opera for any non-USA citizen anyway, very
>demonstrative of that good old insanity we all have grown to love, so
>keep up the good show, I'd say.
I am also sick of this being looked at as a US issue. The people involved on
both sides are Cubans. Cubans who have left Cuba are fighting over a Cuban
with Cubans who are still living in Cuba. The American government has to try
not to piss too many people off in this thing, knowing that everyone will be
pissed off. Since day one the word from the government has been that the
father should have his son. That is law. If someone could point out a country
where the child custody laws are "finders keepers" I'll change my stance, but
it seems a pretty common way of thinking. I've been hearing people from all
over the world complaining that America has been holding this kid because he
was Cuban, but the relatives refused to respond. They were under the
impression that they had the right to bargain with this poor kid.
Yet America is always blamed for anything that goes wrong in the world that we
even pay attention to, so what else is new?
Rune Boersjoe
>they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done everything
>they could to make it a bloody church they could.
>
>BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
>closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
Ooooh... so THAT's why they sent in the federal EAC controlled troops
=)
ClaySkye
>>stupidity, fits right in the whole issue about Elian, which is a
>>hilarious soap opera for any non-USA citizen anyway, very
>>demonstrative of that good old insanity we all have grown to love, so
>>keep up the good show, I'd say.
>
>
>while millions of Elians are far worse off right under one's noses.
Apparently Cuba.
>
>
>Which is scarier? The fact that Windows can make your
>system collapse, or that Microsoft found it necessary
>to build in a recovery tool?
ClayeSkye
Carl Christensen
wrote:
> I'm horrified by the police state tactics of the American
>Government. I don't see how it has anything to do with Atheism.
Well in this case, this sort of force is unfortunately necessary with
the kidnapping thugs in Miami. Just because they lost they are now
crying, but for the last five months they have been belligerent,
inciting violence, and breaking the law. Reno took their threats
seriously and handled it appropriate. The Miami Cuban community is
collectively "the boy who cried wolf."
If you look at the pictures of the relieved Elian with his father it
doesn't appear that he really does hate him after all. It looks like
a happy kid with his real family. I think five minutes of being
around federal agents with guns is nothing compared to the months of
mental anguish at the hands of the Miami mob. He'll probably be
bragging about it with his friends back in Cuba someday soon.
Carl Christensen
<calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>year going ballistic in front of them, screaming and crying for them to not
>traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos she
>was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
Not to mention they planted a photographer to get an arguably great
photo of the guy coming in with the gun. I'm sure he used a flash; I
think the agent should get a medal for not instinctively pulling the
trigger!
This whole mess was a setup by the Miami thugs all along; just like
they are hiding behind their Catholic mythology too. The mayor
bashing atheists is just the icing on the cake.
Nat
>Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
>news:Fw4COWb1TmGkBr...@4ax.com...
>> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>
>> So... Elian Gonzalez' house was a Church? Or did I miss something? =P
>
>Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside. And
>they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done everything
>they could to make it a bloody church they could.
>
>BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
>closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
OK someone explain this to me, because my mom, dad and I don't get it:
Mary'sLazyWhore Gonzales (the bitch who's been trying to get Elian to
call her "mom") claims that they burst in while they were all sleeping
and that it was TOTALLY unexpected.
1- WHAT THE FUCK was the fisherman doing there? AND DRESSED, at
that?!?
2- WHY IN THE WORLD did they have a PHOTOGRAPHER ready to snap a shot
of Elian's terrorized face when he was found in the closet?
3- If the operation took 3 minutes (which by all accounts, it did),
then the gov't had NO TIME to go around destroying things around the
house. I don't know if anyone was watching CNN, but Mary'sLazyWhore
did a whole walk-thru the house showing where the agents "destroyed"
everything... INCLUDING the closet where Elian was found... which
looks totally fine in the PICTURE. Gee... sounds to me like the
"relatives" destroyed their own house to blame the gov't of being
"barbaric." I'm telling you, the only barbarism committed here has
been the relatives' refusal to let Elian be with his dad.
4- If all these cuban exiles like Cuba so much (as shown by how they
fly cuban flags and the US flag upside-down), then why don't we just
ship them back?
BTW, before anyone accuses me of being a racist... my family is from
South America. No anti-"hispanic" sentiments here; my anger is aimed
SPECIFICALLY at the cuban-american population that is trying to turn
the U.S. into their own version of Cuba... a Cuba that was at least as
oppressive (under Batista) as it is today.
-- Nat (a.a. #1750)
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Patrick Alexander
: I'm horrified by the police state tactics of the American
: Government.
Not you too, kojak!
: I don't see how it has anything to do with Atheism.
: The political and theological football game is simply an example
: of the madness within the American mentality, unable to
: understand what is in the best interest of a six-year old child
: and that is NOT a fucking MACHINE GUN in his face.
Living with religious nuts who forced him to renounce his father
on camera is better?
Patrick Alexander a.a #1736
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limited by what is thinkable"
--Friedrich Nietzsche
ClaySkye
>then the gov't had NO TIME to go around destroying things around the
>house.
I've been seriously wondering about this myself.
I don't see how they could have done so much. Eight people in three minutes.
I can see if they knocked down her mom's door. If they were so willing to hand
over the kid, then why would that door need to be broken open.
I don't think it would have been smart to go in unarmed. These people seem
none to stable or peaceful to me.
Elroy Willis
>> This is 'Muraka. Where the opportunities to be dumb are truly
>> limitless.
> Damn. That's it. Next time I do something wrong I'm going to blame
> Rock Music for corrupting my mind.
Wait! Don't be so drastic! Blame it on Barney the purple dinosaur
instead. Maybe we can get rid of the grape-colored goomer once
and for all if people blame all the bad stuff on him. After he's gone,
we can focus on Pokeymen and the Teletubbies.
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Blackguard
>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>>
>>From the Miami Herald
>>
>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>>
>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this.
And I want to state categorically right here, right now that the EAC
(not that we exist of course) had anything to do with it. I deny the
accusations that we were somehow responsible for it.
Like *we* had anything to do with putting Fidel Castro in power over
Cuba. I mean the guy invited the freaking pope for a visit last year!
>Who else is
>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
Yes.
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Michelle Malkin
wrote:
>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>>
>>From the Miami Herald
>>
>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>>
>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>
>
Geeze! It's a nearly midnight, I just got into the newsgroup for
the first time today, and this is the very first thing I see!
Personally, I think that every atheist in the country should let
this asshole know exactly what we think of him as a non-human
boing. Only, we should do it politely. ;) Why should we sink to
his level?
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
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WoN ereH
>If someone could point out a country
>where the child custody laws are "finders keepers" I'll change my stance,
>but
>it seems a pretty common way of thinking.
LOL. That's good as I've heard.
D
DarkAngel
> I'll say one thing, the fascist & terrorist tactics of the CANF in
> Miami doesn't seem any different from the alleged horrible tacts of
> Castro...
Ah yes, people are always ready to fight horrible injustice by perpetrating
horrible injustice in return. Then they justify it saying that 'they are
evil'. They always forget that they just turned in their own hated enemy.
--
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Then Law of Force is what you get"
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> "*Nemo*" <nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>
> >Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
> >news:Fw4COWb1TmGkBr...@4ax.com...
> >> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
> >>
> >
> >Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside.
And
> >they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done
everything
> >they could to make it a bloody church they could.
> >
> >BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
> >closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
>
> OK someone explain this to me, because my mom, dad and I don't get it:
>
> Mary'sLazyWhore Gonzales (the bitch who's been trying to get Elian to
> call her "mom") claims that they burst in while they were all sleeping
> and that it was TOTALLY unexpected.
I can't imagine anyone outside the Rush Limburger area of intellect who
would seriously consider believing that whack-job.
>
> 1- WHAT THE FUCK was the fisherman doing there? AND DRESSED, at
> that?!?
>
> 2- WHY IN THE WORLD did they have a PHOTOGRAPHER ready to snap a shot
> of Elian's terrorized face when he was found in the closet?
>
> 3- If the operation took 3 minutes (which by all accounts, it did),
> then the gov't had NO TIME to go around destroying things around the
> house. I don't know if anyone was watching CNN, but Mary'sLazyWhore
> did a whole walk-thru the house showing where the agents "destroyed"
> everything... INCLUDING the closet where Elian was found... which
> looks totally fine in the PICTURE. Gee... sounds to me like the
> "relatives" destroyed their own house to blame the gov't of being
> "barbaric."
I saw through that little ploy the second I hear that wacko say that. These
people really have a lot to learn about the game of demonizing their
enemies. They have no idea how to go about the task of creating effective
propaganda. The first task would be to make it *believable* to strangers.
They can cry on at length about how Castro eats little boys for supper, but
exactly how believable is that?
> I'm telling you, the only barbarism committed here has
> been the relatives' refusal to let Elian be with his dad.
Those people ran out of any possibility of sympathy from me the day they
started buying him every toy under the sun. There was no chance of real love
(at least as I understand it) after that point.
>
> 4- If all these cuban exiles like Cuba so much (as shown by how they
> fly cuban flags and the US flag upside-down), then why don't we just
> ship them back?
I'm all for it. Reverse boat-lift!
>
> BTW, before anyone accuses me of being a racist... my family is from
> South America. No anti-"hispanic" sentiments here; my anger is aimed
> SPECIFICALLY at the cuban-american population that is trying to turn
> the U.S. into their own version of Cuba... a Cuba that was at least as
> oppressive (under Batista) as it is today.
Same here. These people are obviously as dangerous as Castro. Their
supporters really need to be wary of climbing into political bed with them.
>
> -- Nat (a.a. #1750)
>
>
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>
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redrum
nat9...@ispamvillage.com says...
>
>"*Nemo*" <nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>
>>Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
>>news:Fw4COWb1TmGkBr...@4ax.com...
>>> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>>
>>> So... Elian Gonzalez' house was a Church? Or did I miss something?
=P
>>
>>Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside.
And
>>they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done
everything
>>they could to make it a bloody church they could.
>>
>>BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in
the
>>closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
Not only that, the Cubans outside the house became convinced that Elian
was the reborn Jesus. Marisleysis claimed specifically that Elian had
seen the Virgin Mary in the bathroom mirror. Marisleysis had three
mental breakdowns in one week, what the media called "exhaustion".
That's gotta be a record.
>
>OK someone explain this to me, because my mom, dad and I don't get it:
>
>Mary'sLazyWhore Gonzales (the bitch who's been trying to get Elian to
>call her "mom") claims that they burst in while they were all sleeping
>and that it was TOTALLY unexpected.
>
>1- WHAT THE FUCK was the fisherman doing there? AND DRESSED, at
>that?!?
They had advance notice of the raid, apparently. And they used it to
their advantage.
>
>2- WHY IN THE WORLD did they have a PHOTOGRAPHER ready to snap a shot
>of Elian's terrorized face when he was found in the closet?
Manipulation. Those people are evil.
>
>3- If the operation took 3 minutes (which by all accounts, it did),
>then the gov't had NO TIME to go around destroying things around the
>house. I don't know if anyone was watching CNN, but Mary'sLazyWhore
>did a whole walk-thru the house showing where the agents "destroyed"
>everything... INCLUDING the closet where Elian was found... which
>looks totally fine in the PICTURE. Gee... sounds to me like the
>"relatives" destroyed their own house to blame the gov't of being
>"barbaric." I'm telling you, the only barbarism committed here has
>been the relatives' refusal to let Elian be with his dad.
Yep, Lazaro and Marisleyis are natural manipulators. I wish the govt had
time to kill them.
>
>4- If all these cuban exiles like Cuba so much (as shown by how they
>fly cuban flags and the US flag upside-down), then why don't we just
>ship them back?
kewl :)
>
>BTW, before anyone accuses me of being a racist... my family is from
>South America. No anti-"hispanic" sentiments here; my anger is aimed
>SPECIFICALLY at the cuban-american population that is trying to turn
>the U.S. into their own version of Cuba... a Cuba that was at least as
>oppressive (under Batista) as it is today.
Hey, but it was a nice playground for rich Americans who played at
casinos in Havana and owned huge estates on the coast while the Cubans
were forced to cut sugar cane for a big American company. Theodore
Roosevelt stated that everything south of the Rio Grande and in the
Caribbean too was America's to do with as it pleased. Castro said fuck
you America and America never forgave him.
Carl Christensen
wrote:
>Mary'sLazyWhore Gonzales (the bitch who's been trying to get Elian to
>call her "mom") claims that they burst in while they were all sleeping
>and that it was TOTALLY unexpected.
>1- WHAT THE FUCK was the fisherman doing there? AND DRESSED, at
>that?!?
Well my theory is that the fisherman and Marysleaziest are having a
big affair; but we'll have to wait until the movie comes out.
>2- WHY IN THE WORLD did they have a PHOTOGRAPHER ready to snap a shot
>of Elian's terrorized face when he was found in the closet?
Oh, they wanted a "plant" from the start; that was the whole point of
belligerently refusing to give Elian to his father so that Reno had to
force a confrontation. I have to admit it's an excellent photograph
and the photographer deserves a Pulitzer. If they didn't have some
cute photos of Elian back with his real family an hour later it would
definitely seem a lot worse. I believe that a few minutes of a rescue
raid was less traumatic to Elian than the months of brainwashing he
underwent at the hands of the Miami relatives and their
cohorts/financiers.
>3- If the operation took 3 minutes (which by all accounts, it did),
>then the gov't had NO TIME to go around destroying things around the
>house. I don't know if anyone was watching CNN, but Mary'sLazyWhore
The family obviously smashed the house up. For instance, they showed
the closet door, the one in the infamous photograph all taken down and
smashed up. It looks like the fisherman barely had time to piss his
pants when the agent came to get Elian from the closet; so I doubt the
agents stayed behind to smash the place up.
>4- If all these cuban exiles like Cuba so much (as shown by how they
>fly cuban flags and the US flag upside-down), then why don't we just
>ship them back?
It's hard to get a grasp of what a Cuban is like based on the Miami
Cubans. Apparently Cuba is a very racially mixed society (a lot of
African descent there) but the Miami gang is very heterogeneous. I
bet if Elian was of African descent he would have been shipped back
immediately and we never would have heard of him.
What I find odd is that the Miami Cubans have been doing all they an
for 40 years to cripple the Cuban economy; and they really have done a
lot thanks to paying off the right politicians. The oddity is that I
have never read of a revolution in a country that started in another
country; they take potshots at Fidel but nothing ever really happens.
If they had any balls they would just try another invasion (and most
likely get their asses kicked by the people in Cuba). They're from an
evil, corrupt regime (Battista) and they're bitching about an evil,
corrupt regime (Castro) so it's not likely to motivate anybody who
would care.
Hence it's easier to buy our US politicians. What the hell do the
people in the states of these Republican senators that kow-tow to
Miami Cubans really think? I mean, shouldn't they worry more about
the people of North Carolina, Indiana, New Hampshire instead (Helms,
Burton, Smith, etc).
Furthermore, I think it's appalling that "family values" Rebublican
Senator Smith of New Hampshire tried to force a great-uncle and crazy
cousin on the Elian & Juan reunion today at Andrews Air Force Base.
What a bunch of disgusting hypocrites. But we atheists knew that all
along....
Carl Christensen
wrote:
>Ah yes, people are always ready to fight horrible injustice by perpetrating
>horrible injustice in return. Then they justify it saying that 'they are
>evil'. They always forget that they just turned in their own hated enemy.
Well the spin from Miami and even the mayor is that their version of
evil is better because gawd/Jesus/the Virgin Mary is on their side.
Although I did hear a Christian make a point against this saying how
it's appropriate the rescue happened Easter weekend because it points
out how a Father was united with a Son again, so that was kind of cute
(of course Elian thankfully didn't have to get nailed to a hunk of
wood first ;-)
Michelle Malkin
<nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
>news:Fw4COWb1TmGkBr...@4ax.com...
>> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>
>> So... Elian Gonzalez' house was a Church? Or did I miss something? =P
>
>Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside. And
>they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done everything
>they could to make it a bloody church they could.
>
>BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
>closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
>
In other words, they were never interested in keeping the child
in the US for his own good; they were only interested in turning
him into yet another fanatical Christoholic. In that case,
sending him back to Cuba with his father definitely is the best
thing for him.
Landis D. Ragon
>"*Nemo*" <nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>
>>Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
>>news:Fw4COWb1TmGkBr...@4ax.com...
>>> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>>
>>> So... Elian Gonzalez' house was a Church? Or did I miss something? =P
>>
>>Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside. And
>>they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done everything
>>they could to make it a bloody church they could.
>>
>>BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
>>closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
>
>OK someone explain this to me, because my mom, dad and I don't get it:
>
>Mary'sLazyWhore Gonzales (the bitch who's been trying to get Elian to
>call her "mom") claims that they burst in while they were all sleeping
>and that it was TOTALLY unexpected.
>
>1- WHAT THE FUCK was the fisherman doing there? AND DRESSED, at
>that?!?
>
Fishing?
>2- WHY IN THE WORLD did they have a PHOTOGRAPHER ready to snap a shot
>of Elian's terrorized face when he was found in the closet?
That was a - er - uh - coincidence. Yea, that's it. It was just a
coincidence.
<If you believe that, would you be willing to buy some swampland in
Arizona?>
>
>3- If the operation took 3 minutes (which by all accounts, it did),
>then the gov't had NO TIME to go around destroying things around the
>house. I don't know if anyone was watching CNN, but Mary'sLazyWhore
>did a whole walk-thru the house showing where the agents "destroyed"
>everything... INCLUDING the closet where Elian was found... which
>looks totally fine in the PICTURE. Gee... sounds to me like the
>"relatives" destroyed their own house to blame the gov't of being
>"barbaric." I'm telling you, the only barbarism committed here has
>been the relatives' refusal to let Elian be with his dad.
>
Hmmmm... Can Elian's dad file kidnapping charges
>4- If all these cuban exiles like Cuba so much (as shown by how they
>fly cuban flags and the US flag upside-down), then why don't we just
>ship them back?
>
>BTW, before anyone accuses me of being a racist... my family is from
>South America. No anti-"hispanic" sentiments here; my anger is aimed
>SPECIFICALLY at the cuban-american population that is trying to turn
>the U.S. into their own version of Cuba... a Cuba that was at least as
>oppressive (under Batista) as it is today.
>
--
Landis Ragon (dS = dq/T)
Chief Elf in the Toy Factory.
"I've got a little list--I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed--who never would be missed!"
-- Gilbert and Sullivan : "The Mikado"
Rune Boersjoe
>instead. Maybe we can get rid of the grape-colored goomer once
>and for all if people blame all the bad stuff on him. After he's gone,
>we can focus on Pokeymen and the Teletubbies.
Yeah hey what's up with that... is children's entertainment getting
'dumber'? Have you ever watched these shows? My nephew doesn't, he's
4, he says they're for babies *lol* so he sees the Phantom Menace and
stuff with me... hell it's better than his mom taking him to Church.
--
DJ Nozem
>>>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>>>>From the Miami Herald
>>>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>>>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>>>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>>I know I would be sick, but frankly I can only laugh at this
>>stupidity, fits right in the whole issue about Elian, which is a
>>hilarious soap opera for any non-USA citizen anyway, very
>>demonstrative of that good old insanity we all have grown to love, so
>>keep up the good show, I'd say.
>I am also sick of this being looked at as a US issue.
Well, honey, it is a US issue, it's in the US, after all.
You'll have to find a way to deal with that.
>The people involved on both sides are Cubans. Cubans who have left Cuba
Who are now Americans and who act like typical American religious
loonies. A lot of the pioneers of your country were people from
persecuted sects in Europe, trying to find the promised land. These
Cuban loonies are just stepping into the old tradition.
>are fighting over a Cuban with Cubans who are still living in Cuba.
*chuckles*
>The American government has to try
>not to piss too many people off in this thing, knowing that everyone will be
>pissed off. Since day one the word from the government has been that the
>father should have his son. That is law.
Americans, in general, seem more concerned with whether or not this is
"justice".
>If someone could point out a country where the child custody laws are
>"finders keepers" I'll change my stance, but it seems a pretty common
>way of thinking.
Another funny thing is that everyone seems to presume this falls under
the American laws, while it seems to me this should be a typical case
of private international law, I could be wrong here, though.
>I've been hearing people from all over the world complaining that
>America has been holding this kid because he was Cuban, but the
>relatives refused to respond. They were under the impression that
>they had the right to bargain with this poor kid.
It's sad...
>Yet America is always blamed for anything that goes wrong in the world that we
>even pay attention to, so what else is new?
This would not be a media spectacle anywhere else in the world, face
it. Furthermore, I did not and do not blame the American government or
people for hanging on to the baby, though you cannot say that only
Cubans are involved, some insane republican senator wanted to sue to
keep the kid in America and I'm sure there are more Americans who are
not ethnically Cuban involved in trying to keep the kid from going
back to Cuba.
Ernest Dumenigo
: "kojak" <kojakN...@i.am.invalid> wrote in message
: news:237ee158...@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com...
: > I'm horrified by the police state tactics of the American
: > Government. I don't see how it has anything to do with Atheism.
: > The political and theological football game is simply an example
: > of the madness within the American mentality, unable to
: > understand what is in the best interest of a six-year old child
: > and that is NOT a fucking MACHINE GUN in his face.
: >
: I can't help but agree with the tactics used. You have had a 6 year old boy
: living with some very militant activists since november. Would you as a
: rational person trust those people at all? Those agents were toting much
: more kevlar than metal. They had to have figured on using force because not
: only could they expect the family and town to use violence but also for the
: boy to be indoctrinated to be scared of them. Would you expect them to try
: to convince him in 5 minutes to go with them?
: I think it's hillarious. You have agents coming into a madhouse using just
: reasonable precautions. They are trained to be cool and collected to deal
: with a hostage situation and to take the boy out without causing him any
: harm. And then you have some b*tch that he's been living with for half a
: year going ballistic in front of them, screaming and crying for them to not
: traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos she
: was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
I agree, and not only that but they rejected every peaceful chance they
were given to bring the boy to their father, and then they have the nerve
to complain that there was a show of force? They didn't leave any other
option.
: Hendrix Fan
: a.a atheist #1692
--
-----
Ernest | Atheist #1613
Ernest Dumenigo
: Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
: From the Miami Herald
: "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
: ``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
: don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
If anyone is interested in contacting Mayor Joe Carollo here is his email:
chibiabos
Christensen <car...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>
> From the Miami Herald
>
> "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>
> ``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
> don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
Taking the standard atheist position, all I can say is, unbelievable!
-chib
--
wild(at our first)beasts uttered human words
--our second coming made stones sing like birds--
but o the starhushed silence which our third's
--e.e. cummings
*Nemo*
news:jbt4gskkmgsqs6ldp...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:13:24 GMT, "*Nemo*"
> <nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>
> >Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
> >news:Fw4COWb1TmGkBr...@4ax.com...
> >> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
> >>
> >
> >Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside.
And
> >they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done
everything
> >they could to make it a bloody church they could.
> >
> >BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
> >closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
> >
> in the US for his own good; they were only interested in turning
> him into yet another fanatical Christoholic.
I think it more likely that they wanted to make the kid a poster child for
the anti-Castro movement. The religious whack-jobs appeared to me to be
tagging along for the ride, giving the whole affair a circus-like twist.
It's definintely a freak show at times, don't you think?
> In that case,
> sending him back to Cuba with his father definitely is the best
> thing for him.
>
I think so. So far as I've heard, so do the majority of people I've talked
with, *including* a few Rush Limburger fans.
>
> Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
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>|>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>|>
>|>From the Miami Herald
>|>
>|>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>|>
>|>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>|>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>|
>|We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>|sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
<Erikc raises -both- hands>
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the Father, the Creator of the Universe, the God of Gods. The
there is the Holy Spirit, which is the power and indwelling
of Godliness, and then there is the first Christ, the teacher
and sacrificial lamb, and then, there is me, the judge and
redeemer. We are all one, in the same Godhead, but at times
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:49:28 -0500
From: "Dore Williamson" <spiri...@supernet.com>
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"NOT believing I am Christ is insanity and ignorance of
prophetic scripture to your own eternal demise. But that isn't
my problem. If you think sanity is ignorance, arrogance, and
infidelity of Christ, and your eventual eternal justice in hell,
then you have no clue of what sanity is."
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:04:38 -0500
From: "Dore Williamson" <spiri...@supernet.com>
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Michelle Malkin
Dumenigo) wrote:
>Carl Christensen (car...@my-deja.com) wrote:
>: Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>
>: From the Miami Herald
>
>: "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>
>: ``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>: don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
>If anyone is interested in contacting Mayor Joe Carollo here is his email:
>
>jcar...@ci.miami.fl.us
Thank you Ernesto. I just let the bastard know exactly what I
think of him for his uncalled for attack on atheists and for
using a child for his own political ends. I wonder if I'll get a
response.
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Michelle Malkin
<nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>Michelle Malkin <malk...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:jbt4gskkmgsqs6ldp...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:13:24 GMT, "*Nemo*"
>> <nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
>> >news:Fw4COWb1TmGkBr...@4ax.com...
>> >> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>> >> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>> >>
>> >> So... Elian Gonzalez' house was a Church? Or did I miss something? =P
>> >
>> >Have you seen the house? It's got a huge crucifix on the wall outside.
>And
>> >they claim they've seen the ghost of Mary inside. They have done
>everything
>> >they could to make it a bloody church they could.
>> >
>> >BTW, I think I heard that the "fisherman" who was holding the kid in the
>> >closet is also a Pentecostal preacher. Figures, huh?
>> >
>> In other words, they were never interested in keeping the child
>> in the US for his own good; they were only interested in turning
>> him into yet another fanatical Christoholic.
>
>I think it more likely that they wanted to make the kid a poster child for
>the anti-Castro movement. The religious whack-jobs appeared to me to be
>tagging along for the ride, giving the whole affair a circus-like twist.
>It's definintely a freak show at times, don't you think?
Both saw a way to take advantage of the situation. Neither gave a
damn about the child himself. He's better off away from both
packs of scavengers.
>
>> In that case,
>> sending him back to Cuba with his father definitely is the best
>> thing for him.
>>
>I think so. So far as I've heard, so do the majority of people I've talked
>with, *including* a few Rush Limburger fans.
>
In the beginning (hmmm, that sounds familiar), probably most
peoples' gut reaction was to let the boy stay here. Once it
became clear what was going on and people had time to think
about it, most said returning him to his father was the only
right thing to do. His aunt is obviously a fanatic and a loon.
And the mayor of Miami should be ashamed of himself.
stoney
]>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
]>>
]>>From the Miami Herald
]>>
]>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the
]>>boy.
]>>
]>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
]>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
]>
]>We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who
]>else is sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
And people elect morons like that to office...The mayor *is* part of
the government.
]>ClayeSkye
]>#4 (Head of EAC Department of Education/Reeducation)
]>I still believe that I cannot be saved-Smashing Pumpkins
]>Rednecks didn't do this. Rednecks aren't this creative-Michael, The
]>Blair Witch Project
Stoney
stoney
<NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote:
]>>I know I would be sick, but frankly I can only laugh at this
]>>stupidity, fits right in the whole issue about Elian, which is a
]>>hilarious soap opera for any non-USA citizen anyway, very
]>>demonstrative of that good old insanity we all have grown to love,
so
]>>keep up the good show, I'd say.
]>
]>I was just getting to that =)
]>
]>Where else would millions of people obsess over the fate of one boy,
]>while millions of Elians are far worse off right under one's noses.
Indeed, but those others are being *dragged* back to the *evil *
Castro.
Look at the obsession over Princess Diana.
Stoney
stoney
<NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote:
]>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
]>>
]>>From the Miami Herald
]>>
]>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the
boy.
]>>
]>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
]>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
]>
]>This is a joke right? Bad pun? Tell me you made this up? Please? No
]>one can truly be this dumb.
Oh yes they can. :\
Stoney
Tim Schulz
> On 22 Apr 2000 18:40:49 GMT, clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye)
> wrote:
>
> >>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
> >>
> >>From the Miami Herald
> >>
> >>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
> >>
> >>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
> >>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
> >
> >We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
> >sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
> >
> >
> Geeze! It's a nearly midnight, I just got into the newsgroup for
> the first time today, and this is the very first thing I see!
> Personally, I think that every atheist in the country should let
> this asshole know exactly what we think of him as a non-human
> boing. Only, we should do it politely. ;) Why should we sink to
> his level?
So, we've just been singled out as the "enemies" of one of the most
corrupt city administrations in the US? BWAH-hahaha!!! Personally, I'm
glad. It amounts to an admission that while atheists obey and enforce
laws, theists are shiftless lawbreakers who think nothing of destroying
innocent minds to get what they want. I'll go along with that!
Wonder what Sham Slopez thinks of all this...
ratkat #1610
Michelle Malkin
<ta...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Michelle Malkin wrote:
>
>> On 22 Apr 2000 18:40:49 GMT, clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>> >>
>> >>From the Miami Herald
>> >>
>> >>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>> >>
>> >>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>> >>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>> >
>> >We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who else is
>> >sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>> >
>> >
>> Geeze! It's a nearly midnight, I just got into the newsgroup for
>> the first time today, and this is the very first thing I see!
>> Personally, I think that every atheist in the country should let
>> this asshole know exactly what we think of him as a non-human
>> boing. Only, we should do it politely. ;) Why should we sink to
>> his level?
>
>So, we've just been singled out as the "enemies" of one of the most
>corrupt city administrations in the US? BWAH-hahaha!!! Personally, I'm
>glad. It amounts to an admission that while atheists obey and enforce
>laws, theists are shiftless lawbreakers who think nothing of destroying
>innocent minds to get what they want. I'll go along with that!
>
>Wonder what Sham Slopez thinks of all this...
>
I have to admit that the e-mail I sent the mayor was not exactly
polite. :)
randall g
wrote:
>Wonder what Sham Slopez thinks of all this...
Heh heh. Could there be any doubt? You'd see that paragon of family
values vehemently defending the kidnapping of a six year old boy from
his father. Nothing is too hypocritical when you speak for God.
randall g =%^)> #320 - only 346 short
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When You let me fall, grew my own wings, now I'm as tall as the sky
When You let me drown, grew gills and fins, now I'm as deep as the sea
When You let me die, my spirit's free, there's nothing challenging me
- James (a band from England, not my name)
Decimal
>
> We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who
> else is sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
Here.
Cripes, how else could they have gotten the boy out of there?
Do you remember the pictures of the people arm in arm in "cuban
chains", sending the clear message that they wouldn't willingly
let the boy be taken anywhere under any circumstances. Put yourself
in Reno's shoes: You had negotiations that had broken down, that would
never go anywhere, and you've got this boy being given a messiah complex
by people who don't care about anything other than keeping an object,
much less a child. I'd bet that if they had known about the impending
raid, they would have killed the child rather than see him go back to
his father.
And people don't seem to realize that there's more of an issue than
a custody battle here. Political relations are a tough game. When
someone in power makes a move, a poor image can mean that your allies
can turn their backs on you while a military skirmish breaks out. And it
could have happened over *one freaking child*.
-- Decimal [a.a. #482]
"Believe in me... because I don't believe in anything..."
-- Counting Crows, "Mr. Jones"
The correct prefix for the return address is 'marble'.
Decimal
> I have to admit that the e-mail I sent the mayor was not exactly
> polite. :)
And if there was any way that he would ever see it, I'm sure that he'd
be more than a little upset.
*Nemo*
> On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:23:06 GMT, "*Nemo*"
> <nemo...@yahoo.nospm.com> wrote:
>
> >Michelle Malkin <malk...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >news:jbt4gskkmgsqs6ldp...@4ax.com...
> >> In other words, they were never interested in keeping the child
> >> in the US for his own good; they were only interested in turning
> >> him into yet another fanatical Christoholic.
> >
> >I think it more likely that they wanted to make the kid a poster child
for
> >the anti-Castro movement. The religious whack-jobs appeared to me to be
> >tagging along for the ride, giving the whole affair a circus-like twist.
> >It's definintely a freak show at times, don't you think?
>
> Both saw a way to take advantage of the situation. Neither gave a
> damn about the child himself. He's better off away from both
> packs of scavengers.
Agreed. There's no question in my mind that he's better off at this point.
Whether the situation is ideal - that's another question.
> >
> >> In that case,
> >> sending him back to Cuba with his father definitely is the best
> >> thing for him.
> >>
> >I think so. So far as I've heard, so do the majority of people I've
talked
> >with, *including* a few Rush Limburger fans.
> >
> In the beginning (hmmm, that sounds familiar), probably most
> peoples' gut reaction was to let the boy stay here. Once it
> became clear what was going on and people had time to think
> about it, most said returning him to his father was the only
> right thing to do. His aunt is obviously a fanatic and a loon.
>
I keep expecting to see a cukoo spring out of her forehead!
> And the mayor of Miami should be ashamed of himself.
>
The man probably never heard of the concept of shame - except in the context
of his bloody confessional.
>
> Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
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Panama Floyd
>Date: 4/22/00 2:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20000422144049...@ng-md1.news.cs.com>
>
>>Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>>
>>From the Miami Herald
>>
>>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>>
>>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
>sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>
Count mine, please.
What next!?!?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta
aa# maybe soon...
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"The altar cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain, Notebook, 1898
I'm the EAC, and I vote!!
Panama Floyd
>Date: 4/24/00 12:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3903D46D...@centurytel.net>
>
>ClaySkye wrote:
>>
>> We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who
>> else is sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>
>
>Cripes, how else could they have gotten the boy out of there?
>Do you remember the pictures of the people arm in arm in "cuban
>chains", sending the clear message that they wouldn't willingly
>let the boy be taken anywhere under any circumstances. Put yourself
>in Reno's shoes: You had negotiations that had broken down, that would
>never go anywhere, and you've got this boy being given a messiah complex
>by people who don't care about anything other than keeping an object,
>much less a child. I'd bet that if they had known about the impending
>raid, they would have killed the child rather than see him go back to
>his father.
And somehow found a way to blame it on the raiders.
snip for bandwith, not for content.
Panama Floyd
>Date: 4/22/00 5:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <ywoM4.18391$PV.12...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>>news:MwUCOfp7aSXqxs...@4ax.com...
>> >Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>> >
>> >From the Miami Herald
>> >
>> >"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>> >
>> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>
>> one can truly be this dumb.
>
>After all, I'm from North Carolina, home of Jesse - Helms, that is!
Verifiable, repeatable proof that nicotine is an addictive substance:
Ol' Floyd *still* can't quit-even though he knows a buck from every pack goes
into Jesse's pocket...
PF, Atl.
"..I wish I were home.." -Dorothy, "The Wizard of OZ"
Michelle Malkin
<not...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>Michelle Malkin wrote:
>
>> I have to admit that the e-mail I sent the mayor was not exactly
>> polite. :)
>
>And if there was any way that he would ever see it, I'm sure that he'd
>be more than a little upset.
In an instance like this, silence tells jerks like the mayor of
Miami that his bigotry is right. I don't know if he'll see my
message or not, but at least I sent one.
Did you send him an e-mail or are you merely griping here where
he definitely won't see your message?
Decimal
> Decimal wrote:
>> Michelle Malkin wrote:
>>
>>> I have to admit that the e-mail I sent the mayor was not exactly
>>> polite. :)
>>
>> And if there was any way that he would ever see it, I'm sure that
>> he'd be more than a little upset.
>
> In an instance like this, silence tells jerks like the mayor of
> Miami that his bigotry is right. I don't know if he'll see my
> message or not, but at least I sent one.
>
> Did you send him an e-mail or are you merely griping here where
> he definitely won't see your message?
That last one. I'm under the impression that he has someone else
sort through his mail for him, and deliver him the positive or
important mail. Some sort of secretarial position.
Ernest Dumenigo
: On 23 Apr 2000 12:40:03 GMT, p047...@pb.seflin.org (Ernest
: Dumenigo) wrote:
: >Carl Christensen (car...@my-deja.com) wrote:
: >: Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
: >
: >: From the Miami Herald
: >
: >: "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
: >
: >: ``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
: >: don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
: >
: >If anyone is interested in contacting Mayor Joe Carollo here is his email:
: >
: >jcar...@ci.miami.fl.us
: Thank you Ernesto. I just let the bastard know exactly what I
: think of him for his uncalled for attack on atheists and for
: using a child for his own political ends. I wonder if I'll get a
: response.
Any time Ms. Malkin. Let me know if he does give you an answer. I
haven't recieved anything as of yet, but it is early Monday =-)
Dewey Henize
In article <SnYDOVaMtEaeAVV0=RepzJ...@4ax.com],
randall g <rand...@nospam.com] wrote:
]On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:54:56 -0400, Tim Schulz <ta...@virginia.edu>
]wrote:
]
]>Wonder what Sham Slopez thinks of all this...
]
Sham has learned to think?
Dew de la BAAWA
Knight, Duke in hiding
--
Dew de la BAAWA #122
"If you're not a clueless newbie, you are certainly the most clueless
veteran I've ever seen." Mike McAngus's observation of the moronic
chr...@cs.jhu.edu (Antichrist Alex/Ethel/Alex Reynolds)
MagyckMe
>From the Miami Herald
>
>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the
>seizure of the boy.
>
>"What they did was a crime,'' he said. "These are
>atheists. They don't believe in God. I feel I cannot
>trust this government."
Wow. Mayor Carollo says "atheist" with the same kind
of venom I reserve for the appellation "politician". The
only difference, I guess, is that one of us has a good
deal of evidence to back up HER assertions. <g>
Magyck
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Paul Wenthold
>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:42:10 -0400, "Hendrix Fan"
> <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >year going ballistic in front of them, screaming and crying for them to not
> >traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos she
> >was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
>
> photo of the guy coming in with the gun. I'm sure he used a flash; I
> think the agent should get a medal for not instinctively pulling the
> trigger!
>
Shit, look at the picture. His finger isn't even _on_
the trigger!
paul
ClaySkye
>not
>> >traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos
>she
>> >was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
>>
>> Not to mention they planted a photographer to get an arguably great
>> photo of the guy coming in with the gun. I'm sure he used a flash; I
>> think the agent should get a medal for not instinctively pulling the
>> trigger!
>>
>
>Shit, look at the picture. His finger isn't even _on_
>the trigger!
>
>paul
Of course it isn't, but noticing that would make it harder to claim that these
people didn't know what they were doing. Law enforcement is not pretty or cute
or meant to make you feel warm inside. Law enforcement is what is necessary to
"enforce" the law, implying that it is not being done. Note the root word
"force."
This kind of thing is done everyday, just not always on TV. People seem to
enjoy it on COPS, but are shocked by it here.
You are an idiot if you would ever enter anyones house to enforce a warrant
without guns. Anybody who thinks it's a good idea can go in first.
ClaySkye
>
>In article <SnYDOVaMtEaeAVV0=RepzJ...@4ax.com],
>randall g <rand...@nospam.com] wrote:
>]On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:54:56 -0400, Tim Schulz <ta...@virginia.edu>
>]wrote:
>]
>]>Wonder what Sham Slopez thinks of all this...
>]
>Sham has learned to think?
You are right. That should have read, "I wonder how Sham Slopez would react to
this?" You don't need to think to react.
>Dew de la BAAWA
>Knight, Duke in hiding
>--
>Dew de la BAAWA #122
>"If you're not a clueless newbie, you are certainly the most clueless
>veteran I've ever seen." Mike McAngus's observation of the moronic
> chr...@cs.jhu.edu (Antichrist Alex/Ethel/Alex Reynolds)
ClayeSkye
cz...@ecn.ab.ca
: >>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
: >>
: >>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
: >>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
: >
: >We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who
: >else is sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
: Count mine, please.
: What next!?!?
The Lindburg (sp?) kidnapping, no doubt.
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Paul J. Koeck
> >Wait! Don't be so drastic! Blame it on Barney the purple dinosaur
> >instead. Maybe we can get rid of the grape-colored goomer once
> >and for all if people blame all the bad stuff on him. After he's gone,
> >we can focus on Pokeymen and the Teletubbies.
>
> Yeah hey what's up with that... is children's entertainment getting
> 'dumber'? Have you ever watched these shows? My nephew doesn't, he's
> 4, he says they're for babies *lol* so he sees the Phantom Menace and
> stuff with me... hell it's better than his mom taking him to Church.
As much as it pains me to admit to knowing this, your nephew
is right. The 'tubbies are intended for an audience ranging
from 6 months to around 3 or so. Hence the bright, primary
colors and repetitiveness.
> --
>
>
> Which is scarier? The fact that Windows can make your
> system collapse, or that Microsoft found it necessary
> to build in a recovery tool?
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Elroy Willis
> Rune Boersjoe <NOSPA...@chello.no> wrote in message
>> Elroy Willis wrote:
>>> Wait! Don't be so drastic! Blame it on Barney the purple dinosaur
>>> instead. Maybe we can get rid of the grape-colored goomer once
>>> and for all if people blame all the bad stuff on him. After he's gone,
>>> we can focus on Pokeymen and the Teletubbies.
>> Yeah hey what's up with that... is children's entertainment getting
>> 'dumber'? Have you ever watched these shows? My nephew doesn't, he's
>> 4, he says they're for babies *lol* so he sees the Phantom Menace and
>> stuff with me... hell it's better than his mom taking him to Church.
> As much as it pains me to admit to knowing this, your nephew
> is right. The 'tubbies are intended for an audience ranging
> from 6 months to around 3 or so. Hence the bright, primary
> colors and repetitiveness.
What about Barney and his stupid repetitive songs?
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Michelle Malkin
Dumenigo) wrote:
>Michelle Malkin (malk...@mindspring.com) wrote:
>: On 23 Apr 2000 12:40:03 GMT, p047...@pb.seflin.org (Ernest
>: Dumenigo) wrote:
>
>: >Carl Christensen (car...@my-deja.com) wrote:
>: >: Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
>: >
>: >: From the Miami Herald
>: >
>: >: "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>: >
>: >: ``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>: >: don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>: >
>: >If anyone is interested in contacting Mayor Joe Carollo here is his email:
>: >
>: >jcar...@ci.miami.fl.us
>
>: Thank you Ernesto. I just let the bastard know exactly what I
>: think of him for his uncalled for attack on atheists and for
>: using a child for his own political ends. I wonder if I'll get a
>: response.
>
>Any time Ms. Malkin. Let me know if he does give you an answer. I
>haven't recieved anything as of yet, but it is early Monday =-)
Not a peep yet, but I'll let you know if I do. In fact, I'll post
it right here in the newsgroup.
Sorry about putting that 'o' at the end of your name. By the time
I realized I'd done that, I'd already sent the message.
Michelle Malkin
<not...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>Michelle Malkin wrote:
>> Decimal wrote:
>>> Michelle Malkin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to admit that the e-mail I sent the mayor was not exactly
>>>> polite. :)
>>>
>>> And if there was any way that he would ever see it, I'm sure that
>>> he'd be more than a little upset.
>>
>> In an instance like this, silence tells jerks like the mayor of
>> Miami that his bigotry is right. I don't know if he'll see my
>> message or not, but at least I sent one.
>>
>> Did you send him an e-mail or are you merely griping here where
>> he definitely won't see your message?
>
>That last one. I'm under the impression that he has someone else
>sort through his mail for him, and deliver him the positive or
>important mail. Some sort of secretarial position.
>
Then, maybe we should send a message to the secretary telling
her/him what a doofus he/she has for a boss.
Paul Wenthold
>
> Paul Wenthold <p...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>
> >Carl Christensen wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:42:10 -0400, "Hendrix Fan"
> >> <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos she
> >> >was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
> >>
> >> Not to mention they planted a photographer to get an arguably great
> >> photo of the guy coming in with the gun. I'm sure he used a flash; I
> >> think the agent should get a medal for not instinctively pulling the
> >> trigger!
> >>
> >
> >Shit, look at the picture. His finger isn't even _on_
> >the trigger!
> >
>
>
Can you discern that from the picture?
paul
ClaySkye
>> >instead. Maybe we can get rid of the grape-colored goomer once
>> >and for all if people blame all the bad stuff on him. After he's gone,
>> >we can focus on Pokeymen and the Teletubbies.
>>
>> Yeah hey what's up with that... is children's entertainment getting
>> 'dumber'? Have you ever watched these shows? My nephew doesn't, he's
>> 4, he says they're for babies *lol* so he sees the Phantom Menace and
>> stuff with me... hell it's better than his mom taking him to Church.
>
>As much as it pains me to admit to knowing this, your nephew
>is right. The 'tubbies are intended for an audience ranging
>from 6 months to around 3 or so. Hence the bright, primary
>colors and repetitiveness.
My daughter first saw teletubbies when she was 18 months and my son when he was
three. They both stared at the TV for about 20 seconds and then went on with
their business.
I've always known they were advanced.....:)
Now Blue's Clues is a completely different story.
>> --
>>
>>
>> Which is scarier? The fact that Windows can make your
>> system collapse, or that Microsoft found it necessary
>> to build in a recovery tool?
>
>
>--
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>
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>
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>
>Don't let reality hit you in the ass on your way out.
>
>Only an idiot or a PromiseKeeper cult member would
>think that my opinions necessarily reflect those of
>my employer.
>
>To reply, change Byte.Me to newsguy
ClayeSkye
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>paul
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Landis D. Ragon
>"Landis D. Ragon" wrote:
>>
>> Paul Wenthold <p...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >Carl Christensen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:42:10 -0400, "Hendrix Fan"
>> >> <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >year going ballistic in front of them, screaming and crying for them to not
>> >> >traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos she
>> >> >was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
>> >>
>> >> Not to mention they planted a photographer to get an arguably great
>> >> photo of the guy coming in with the gun. I'm sure he used a flash; I
>> >> think the agent should get a medal for not instinctively pulling the
>> >> trigger!
>> >>
>> >
>> >Shit, look at the picture. His finger isn't even _on_
>> >the trigger!
>> >
>>
>> And the safety is on.
>>
>
>Can you discern that from the picture?
>
I believe the safety is that round button, about 2 inches above the
trigger (I'm recalling from memory, since I don't have a picture of
the weapon in question). I think it's in the 'safe' position.
Ernest Dumenigo
: On 24 Apr 2000 11:25:47 GMT, p047...@pb.seflin.org (Ernest
: Dumenigo) wrote:
: >Michelle Malkin (malk...@mindspring.com) wrote:
: >: On 23 Apr 2000 12:40:03 GMT, p047...@pb.seflin.org (Ernest
: >: Dumenigo) wrote:
: >
: >: >Carl Christensen (car...@my-deja.com) wrote:
: >: >: Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
: >: >
: >: >: From the Miami Herald
: >: >
: >: >: "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
: >: >
: >: >: ``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
: >: >: don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
: >: >
: >: >If anyone is interested in contacting Mayor Joe Carollo here is his email:
: >: >
: >: >jcar...@ci.miami.fl.us
: >
: >: Thank you Ernesto. I just let the bastard know exactly what I
: >: think of him for his uncalled for attack on atheists and for
: >: using a child for his own political ends. I wonder if I'll get a
: >: response.
: >
: >Any time Ms. Malkin. Let me know if he does give you an answer. I
: >haven't recieved anything as of yet, but it is early Monday =-)
: Not a peep yet, but I'll let you know if I do. In fact, I'll post
: it right here in the newsgroup.
: Sorry about putting that 'o' at the end of your name. By the time
: I realized I'd done that, I'd already sent the message.
OK, hope I don't miss it :-) 'o'? oh I see!!! Dont' worry about it,
lots of people add the 'o' to my name ;-) I am not that picky :-)
Panama Floyd
>Date: 4/24/00 10:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20000424103205...@ng-md1.news.cs.com>
>
>>> >year going ballistic in front of them, screaming and crying for them to
>>not
>>> >traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos
>>she
>>> >was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
Agreed. She saw Waco on TV, and thinks she can do the same for her "people".
She'd gladly be Koresh for the rest of her family to be Tim McVeigh...
>>>
>>> Not to mention they planted a photographer to get an arguably great
>>> photo of the guy coming in with the gun. I'm sure he used a flash; I
>>> think the agent should get a medal for not instinctively pulling the
>>> trigger!
>>>
>>
>>Shit, look at the picture. His finger isn't even _on_
>>the trigger!
I didn't notice that at first. Thank you.
>>
>>paul
>
>Of course it isn't, but noticing that would make it harder to claim that
>these
>people didn't know what they were doing. Law enforcement is not pretty or
>cute
>or meant to make you feel warm inside. Law enforcement is what is necessary
>to
>"enforce" the law, implying that it is not being done. Note the root word
>"force."
Not just implying..it would seem there were many chances for the "family" to
give up the child without the raid. That smells like "evidence" to me...
>
>This kind of thing is done everyday, just not always on TV. People seem to
>enjoy it on COPS, but are shocked by it here.
ROFL!! Most emphatically agreed!!!
>
>You are an idiot if you would ever enter anyones house to enforce a warrant
>without guns. Anybody who thinks it's a good idea can go in first.
Well said.
>
>ClayeSkye
at...@my-deja.com
clay...@cs.comStopThat (ClaySkye) wrote:
> >Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
> >
> >From the Miami Herald
> >
> >"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the
boy.
> >
> >``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
> >don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>
else is
> sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
How about raised fists instead? Ignorant, bigoted people like Carollo
are nothing new. BC comic strip writer Johnny Hart pinned school
shootings on us a while back. It will be a great day with Atheism is
synonymous with rational thought rather than evil. Marx new what he was
talking about; religion is WAY more popular than heroin.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
jo...@my-deja.com
Landis D. Ragon <Landis...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Paul Wenthold <p...@purdue.edu> wrote:
>
> >"Landis D. Ragon" wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul Wenthold <p...@purdue.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Carl Christensen wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:42:10 -0400, "Hendrix Fan"
> >> >> <calv...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >traumatize the boy. She was really asking for a bullet to her head, cos she
> >> >> >was the only thing actually trying to traumatizing him.
> >> >>
> >> >> photo of the guy coming in with the gun. I'm sure he used a flash; I
> >> >> think the agent should get a medal for not instinctively pulling the
> >> >> trigger!
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Shit, look at the picture. His finger isn't even _on_
> >> >the trigger!
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Can you discern that from the picture?
> >
>
> I believe the safety is that round button, about 2 inches above the
> trigger (I'm recalling from memory, since I don't have a picture of
> the weapon in question). I think it's in the 'safe' position.
>
> >paul
>
> --
from the Justice Dept. (It may have been the Assistant AG, I don't
recall) said that the safety was off and that the finger was off the
trigger. Agents are trained to carry the weapon in that way to
minimize the risk of it accidentally firing if someone, like one of
their own, should bump into them during the confusion. I'm no
expert on these matters, but I was impressed by the smoothness,
professionalism, and speed with which the operation was carried
out.
John Hachmann, Another Atheist
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It was the schoolboy who said: "Faith is believing what you know
ain't so." - Mark Twain (1835-1910).
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Panama Floyd
>Date: 4/24/00 6:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3904...@ecn.ab.ca>
>
>Panama Floyd (panam...@aol.compoospam) wrote:
>
>: >>"Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
>: >>
>: >>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>: >>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>: >
>: >We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who
>: >else is sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>
>: What next!?!?
>
>The Lindburg (sp?) kidnapping, no doubt.
>
LOL! No doubt. Probably the Teapot Dome scandal, and the `29 stock market
crash, as well.
They always seem to be quite a few years behind...2000 at my last count.
And "evereboddy nows that Jesus woulda come back if the damned atheists and
muzlims hadn't scared him away!"
Fundy neighbor said that to me last week.
ClaySkye
>>: >>
>>: >>``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
>>: >>don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
>>: >
>>: >We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who
>>: >else is sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
>>
>>: Count mine, please.
>>: What next!?!?
>>
>>The Lindburg (sp?) kidnapping, no doubt.
>>
>
>LOL! No doubt. Probably the Teapot Dome scandal, and the `29 stock market
>crash, as well.
>They always seem to be quite a few years behind...2000 at my last count.
>
>And "evereboddy nows that Jesus woulda come back if the damned atheists and
>muzlims hadn't scared him away!"
>Fundy neighbor said that to me last week.
I, for one am used to being blamed for things that happened before I was born.
Feb 2, 1971 there was a major California earthquake. I was born 2 weeks, to
the day, later. I spent the first decade or so of my life listening to how I
caused my mother so much pain because I wouldn't stop kicking after the
earthquake. I don't suppose it could have had anything to do with all of the
speed my mom did to stay thin while pregnant. Or the cigarettes. Or the acid.
After the first decade, I found another place to be. Now I hear about it every
4-5 years.
>-Panama Floyd, Atlanta
>aa# maybe soon...
>EAC Reclamation Committee Chair (..Soylent Green is people!!...)
>
>"The altar cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
>-Mark Twain, Notebook, 1898
>
>I'm the EAC, and I vote!!
cz...@ecn.ab.ca
: >From: cz...@ecn.ab.ca ()
: >Panama Floyd (panam...@aol.compoospam) wrote:
: >: >We really should have known that we would be dragged into this. Who
: >: >else is sick of being blamed for everything? Hands?
: >
: >: Count mine, please.
: >: What next!?!?
: >
: >The Lindburg (sp?) kidnapping, no doubt.
: LOL! No doubt. Probably the Teapot Dome scandal, and the `29 stock
: market crash, as well.
: They always seem to be quite a few years behind...2000 at my last count.
: And "evereboddy nows that Jesus woulda come back if the damned atheists
: and muzlims hadn't scared him away!"
: Fundy neighbor said that to me last week.
I can see the headlines now:
"EAC Jihad bests Son of God! `Nyaa, Nyaa!' sez Leader Chani"
cz...@ecn.ab.ca
: I, for one am used to being blamed for things that happened before I
: was born.
On a terribly un-PC note, I think many white males know what that feels
like. :)
N Scott Pestana
{>In article <dpr3gsoi20pbi6gft...@4ax.com>, Carl
{>Christensen <car...@my-deja.com> wrote:
{>> Ok, are you happy Francois, the Elian case does affect atheists:
{>>
{>> From the Miami Herald
{>>
{>> "Miami Mayor Joe Carollo emotionally denounced the seizure of the boy.
{>>
{>> ``What they did was a crime,'' he said. ``These are atheists. They
{>> don't believe in God. `I feel I cannot trust this government.''
{>Taking the standard atheist position, all I can say is, unbelievable!
{>-chib
::laughs out loud, spitting Spirulina all over monitor:: hehee... good one
Chib. What I don't understand is why anyone outside of the family is getting
all huffy about all this. Its really a matter for the kid, his dad, and
his relatives to decide, not the whole freakin' city of Miami or Janet
Reno. Although I am happy that he's with his father. In the absence of
evidence of bad parenting, bioligical parents are best, IMWO.
--
Scott Pestana | "A firewall? You
tracker at ccs.neu.edu | call that an excuse?!?"
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Margie Gwen
<cz...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:3906...@ecn.ab.ca...
> ClaySkye (clay...@cs.comStopThat) wrote:
>
> : I, for one am used to being blamed for things that happened before I
> : was born.
>
> On a terribly un-PC note, I think many white males know what that feels
> like. :)
Where I am being born a white male carries with it distinct advantages ( at
the expense of those not born white males) . In my experience , the white
males who complain most loudly are those who loathe to lose this position of
privilege . As far as I understood Clay is no longer kicking her mother ,
white males still receive better treatment (on average) than anyone else in
the US and have the lion's share of wealth and power. Their advantage is
based on the theft and abuse their forebears perpetrated but many claim they
"deserve " their privileges. I hate to break it to you but I know of many
employers in my town from law offices to record stores(many of them viewing
themselves as "ENLIGHTENED" and "LIBERAL") who dismiss black applicants as
"bad risks" and hire the white applicants 90% of the time (unless the black
applicant is overwhelmingly overqualified) . I could go on and on ( and I
have on occasion) but the fact is the US is a racist sexist nation and
pretty much all white males (outside of some Appalachian hollow) benefit to
one degree or another. If you feel you have gotten more flack than benefits
... sorry .
aa 1638
Margie Gwen
She of the 6 week sinus infection
Patrick Alexander
: <cz...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:3906...@ecn.ab.ca...
:> ClaySkye (clay...@cs.comStopThat) wrote:
:>
:> : I, for one am used to being blamed for things that happened before I
:> : was born.
:>
:> On a terribly un-PC note, I think many white males know what that feels
:> like. :)
: Where I am being born a white male carries with it distinct advantages ( at
: the expense of those not born white males) .
Just out of curiosity, where were you born?
: In my experience , the white
: males who complain most loudly are those who loathe to lose this position of
: privilege.
What about those of us who don't have a position of privilege,
don't want a position of privilege, and are just tired of being the
PC-scapegoat?
: As far as I understood Clay is no longer kicking her mother ,
: white males still receive better treatment (on average) than anyone else in
: the US and have the lion's share of wealth and power. Their advantage is
: based on the theft and abuse their forebears perpetrated but many claim they
: "deserve " their privileges.
Ah. They have an advantage. It's due to crimes committed by
their ancestors. You seem to be pissed off at them for it. What'd czar
say again? :)
: I hate to break it to you but I know of many
: employers in my town from law offices to record stores(many of them viewing
: themselves as "ENLIGHTENED" and "LIBERAL") who dismiss black applicants as
: "bad risks" and hire the white applicants 90% of the time (unless the black
: applicant is overwhelmingly overqualified). I could go on and on ( and I
: have on occasion) but the fact is the US is a racist sexist nation and
: pretty much all white males (outside of some Appalachian hollow) benefit to
: one degree or another. If you feel you have gotten more flack than benefits
: ... sorry .
I've gotten flack. I haven't gotten any benefits that I am aware
of. <shrug> So far it ain't workin out that well.
Now, perhaps I'm just being all naive and idealistic here, but it
just seems to me that the key to a hate-free and equal society is to not
first consider people as being "white" or "black" or "male" or "female".
If you see me treat someone unfairly because of their gender or race, feel
free to insult me for it. Until then, don't look down on me in the
interests of equality.
Patrick Alexander a.a #1736
EAC Department of the Inquisition, Deputy in Charge of Fluffy Pillows
"I'm always falling down the same hill bamboo puncturing this skin
and nothing comes bleeding out of me just like a waterfall I'm drowning in
two feet below the surface I can still make out your wavy face
and if I could just reach you maybe I could leave this place"
--Trent Reznor
cz...@ecn.ab.ca
: <cz...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in message news:3906...@ecn.ab.ca...
: > ClaySkye (clay...@cs.comStopThat) wrote:
: >
: > : I, for one am used to being blamed for things that happened before I
: > : was born.
: >
: > On a terribly un-PC note, I think many white males know what that feels
: > like. :)
: Where I am being born a white male carries with it distinct advantages
[...blah, blah, blah...]
Try to read only what I wrote, and not imagine shitloads of between-
the-lines baggage, next time, right?
I don't recall denying any advantages such a color and sex may carry,
but I likewise don't recall doing anything wrong to take any of the
shit I sometimes do (like from yourself).
I'll tell you straight -- I don't feel I have a damn thing to be
guilty about, because *I* haven't done anything to feel guilty
about. Maybe some other white males have done things, and maybe
some of them have been or are related to me, but I don't buy the
"inherited sin" shit from the church, and I don't buy it from you.
Oh, and FYI, *women* control the lion's share of personal wealth in
the western world.
ClaySkye
>> : was born.
>>
>> On a terribly un-PC note, I think many white males know what that feels
>> like. :)
>
>As far as I understood Clay is no longer kicking her mother ,
She's not in the continental US, so it's been too difficult. I gave up trying.