Passive Smoking-Another Of the Nanny State's Big Lies

[Joe Bruno]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/

[Tim]

"Joe Bruno" <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0215c5d9-cfb9-435f...@googlegroups.com...
> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/

By all means smoke away bruno, the sooner you're dead the better.

[hypatiab7]

He isn't worried about himself. He wants others to die. Too bad that I don't
smoke. Never have.

[Joe Bruno]

Cite one documented case where someone was proven to have died from the effects of secondhand smoke.

[Tim]

"Joe Bruno" <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1780ade3-1ac8-4b9c...@googlegroups.com...

> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 9:10:27 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:

> Well, if you kicked the bucket, I would not be clinically depressed.
>

Judging on your inability to correctly answer your own quizzes, you are
clinically brain-dead.

[Tim]

"Joe Bruno" <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:c942126a-4c14-4b18...@googlegroups.com...

http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke

http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/secondhandsmoke.html

What's wrong middle-man, have you forgotten how to google?

[Paul]

On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 7:00:58 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/

Sigh... I miss the days when you could smoke in your office, and non-smoking coworkers had ash trays on their desks for when smokers came to visit.

[Joe Bruno]

The only place I smoke around other people is in the casino I visit to play Poker and Craps.Some other players raised hell about my smoking for a while. Then, a pit boss named Carlos, who I was friendly with, told me and the others that I could smoke 10 feet from the card table and nobody could object to that.

Now that he has set policy, peace reigns at Barona Casino.I move back from the Poker table and smoke when I want and they all leave me alone.

Bless you, Carlos!!!!!

[WTS-51b]

Paul <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote in
news:740c9082-9560-45bc...@googlegroups.com:

Enjoy your eventual smoking related illness.

[WTS-51b]

Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:be68ff64-2a3c-464b...@googlegroups.com:

I'm sure he blesses your losses.

[Paul]

I have more pressing issues to deal with. :P

[WTS-51b]

Paul <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote in
news:378e31e4-dce5-4e6c...@googlegroups.com:

When the time comes, it'll be pressing enough.

[Mike Painter]

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 09:32:11 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
<joebr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 9:10:27 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:

>Well, if you kicked the bucket, I would not be clinically depressed.

What he means is that particular event would not contribute to his
current condition.

[Mike Painter]

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 12:41:34 -0400, "Tim" <m...@rsabc.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Joe Bruno" <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:c942126a-4c14-4b18...@googlegroups.com...
>> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 9:10:27 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>> > "Joe Bruno" <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:0215c5d9-cfb9-435f...@googlegroups.com...
>>> > > http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/
>>> >
>>> > By all means smoke away bruno, the sooner you're dead the better.
>>>
>>> He isn't worried about himself. He wants others to die. Too bad that I
>>> don't
>>> smoke. Never have.
>>
>> Cite one documented case where someone was proven to have died from the
>> effects of secondhand smoke.
>
>http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
>
>http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke
>
>http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/secondhandsmoke.html
>
>What's wrong middle-man, have you forgotten how to google?

He probably watched Fox news and decided that it must be true since
Stossel said it.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/dec/11/john-stossel/fox-business-pundit-no-good-data-deaths-secondhand/

His asking for a "documented case" is just typical Tandy.

Apparently anecdotal stories are as valid as scientific studies in his
mind.

[default]

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 04:00:56 -0700, Joe Bruno wrote:

> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-

smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/

Yeah boy I believe that. You ain't never ridden in a car full of
rednecks in winter for a few hours. I don't smoke and could feel the
physiological effects of it.

Then who doesn't love spending a packet of money at a ritzy restaurant
and having the idiot at the next table light up and blow smoke your way
as you're trying to enjoy a meal?

Or cleaning up the cigarette butts from some idiot who just emptied his
car ash tray?

Or go out on a beach and build a sand castle - presumably the cigarette
butts make good gun emplacements?


I think smoking should be legal and unregulated. I think if you want to
smoke, I shouldn't try to stop you. I frankly don't care if you like to
eat dog shit, it is your right to do so.

But just don't smoke around me, because I find it very disagreeable.

[hhya...@gmail.com]

There are many. Why don't you do your work, you fake idiot.

[Joe Bruno]

She made the claim. The burden of proof is on her. That has been explained and documented more than 10 times, you useless idiot.

[WTS-51b]

hhya...@gmail.com wrote in
news:2a95381a-f162-469c...@googlegroups.com:

<http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/health-effects/secondhand-
smoke.html?referrer=http://search.earthlink.net/search?q=Death%20due%20to%
20secondhand%20smoking.&area=earthlink-ws&channel=webmail&>

<http://tinyurl.com/pq2k6oa>

<http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke>

<http://tinyurl.com/2cbp265>

<http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/g
eneral_facts/>

<http://tinyurl.com/934ushm>

<http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tob
acco_related_mortality/>

<http://tinyurl.com/yzpjqua>

Now, will all those who don't believe that secondhand smoke kills, please
relax and light up, we really want you to. Just don't light up around me
or someone I care about. The case for secondhand smoke killing is so
solid, the tobacco industry doesn't even bother with disinformation
sites.

[Street]

Even when you're right, they'll all diss you anyway just because
you're posting under the name "Joe Bruno". If you say "there are no
documented cases", that automatically means, in their minds, that
"there are many", just because it's you who said it and you're
automatically wrong no matter what you say.

You said you were here to educate, but you can't with the reputation
you have.

[Joe Bruno]

Nicotine occurs naturally in some vegetables:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/nicotine-in-vegetables_n_1597087.html

Tomatoes, Potatoes, eggplant,and cauliflower are just a few of them.

[Joe Bruno]

I can and do by providing evidence with my claims.Here, for example is a list of vegetables in which nicotine occurs naturally:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/nicotine-in-vegetables_n_1597087.html

[Street]

On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno

[Street]

On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno

No, you don't because they're not going to examine any of your
evidence because you're wrong by definition, in their minds, because
you're "Joe Bruno".

[Tom McDonald]

Nicotine
>>
isn't the substance that causes lung cancer, emphysema, heart problems,
etc. It is a mild heart stimulant, but causes no other problems that I'm
aware of in healthy adults.

The issue with tobacco smoke is that there are hundreds, perhaps
thousands, of other compounds in smoking tobacco that can and do lead to
those problems. And they aren't magically wrung out of the smoke in
their entirety by passing through the smoker's lungs.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <hh8qua1cpn1dj9ngl...@4ax.com>,

Well, no. It's because he NEVER supplies evidence for any of his claims.

--

JD

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom
Rosario, Addicting Info

[Joe Bruno]

ROTFL! Here are 6 posts where I did just that:

1.ust 31, 2015 at 2:06:18 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
> "Joe Bruno" <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:36c89505-3605-49cf...@googlegroups.com...
> > Lots of people know very little about guns. Perhaps some of you would like
> > to be better informed on the subject, especially when new gun laws are
> > proposed.
>
> LOL!!! Why would anyone who wanted to be better informed ever listen to you
> mr. quadratics have one solution and isosceles triangles have three equal
> sides?
>
Here is the proof, jackass


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semi-automatic?s=t

https://www.atf.gov/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state


http://chuckhawks.com/ This site can answer most all your questions about guns


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_firearm

http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/Effective_range

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494489

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=pisols

http://usgovinfo.about.com/blnoguns.htm


2. You confuse socialism with communism. France is at this moment under a "socialist"
> > president.
>
> LOL! He's in the Socialist Party. That does not mean he can impose socialism on France. Look up the French aerospace giant"Aerospatiale Generale."
> It's privately owned.


Here is a list of privately owned companies in France:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Privately_held_companies_of_France


3.
me (Joe Bruno change)


Aug 29
- show quoted text -
From the website of the Socialist Party:

"Socialism is a society where this large-scale private ownership of the big corporations, the banks and the land, is ended. This means that we can collectively and democratically plan how we use the world's resources. In her book, Socialism in the 21st Century, Hannah explains how:

This would mean bringing all the big corporations, controlling around 80% of the economy, into democratic public ownership, under democratic working-class control.

Ordinary working class people - the vast majority of society - would then collectively own and control these wealth producing resources and would draw up a plan for their best use.

A socialist society would put people's needs and interests, immediate and long-term, before profit. Hannah explains what this would mean below.

There are no countries where this takes place today."

3.


4.

me (Joe Bruno change) From Dictionary.com


Aug 25
- show quoted text -
socialism
[soh-shuh-liz-uh m]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


5.
me (Joe Bruno change)


Aug 23
- show quoted text -
He has only been indicted by a Grand Jury. That means there has been no trial yet.The GJ decides if there is enough evidence to proceed to trial.
He has been accused, no more.The full weight of evidence for and against the charges has yet to be reviewed by a jury and a final decision made as to his guilt or innocence.

It's all right here:

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/how-does-a-grand-jury-work.html


6.
me (Joe Bruno change)


Aug 22
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller


UGH! JEANNE IS ONE BIG LIAR

[hhya...@gmail.com]

The Christians claim there is a god, but no believer ever comes out to prove.
And those claims are numerous and documented more than a million times.

Does it make it different and requires no action, just because it is religious?

[hhya...@gmail.com]

It is not...
The fact is Joe Bruno is an uneducated person who paste and link, without understanding of the contents. So, when we question him, he will say we can't read.

Some of the links may be correct but many can be disputed. He has to lead in making them sensible, rather than rely upon us to agree with him.

But, if you think he is reliable, he can be your buddy for all we care.

>
> You said you were here to educate, but you can't with the reputation
> you have.

He is devoid of common sense and has low level of education, as well as an untrustworthy character...and therefore his very bad reputation.

[Malcolm McMahon]

Same kind of obfustication that the tobacco industry used when they were fighting off the knowledge that smoking causes cancer. Anyone _can_ get lung cancer. A 40 a day man could, in theory, of had lung cancer even if he hadn't smoked. Its a matter of statistics, and so are the detrimental effects of passive smoking.

[hhya...@gmail.com]

The link has information that 20 eggplants is equivalent to one cigarette and who in his right mind will eat 20 eggplants?

What has nicotine in vege anything to do with secondhand smoking?
Or are you claiming those vege are the same as cigarette?
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/nicotine-in-vegetables_n_1597087.html

[Alex W.]

On 07/09/2015 08:02, Tom McDonald wrote:

>
> The issue with tobacco smoke is that there are hundreds, perhaps
> thousands, of other compounds in smoking tobacco that can and do lead to
> those problems. And they aren't magically wrung out of the smoke in
> their entirety by passing through the smoker's lungs.

Which is correct in itself.

It is also misleading when used as an argument.

It leads to a fixation on tobacco which in turn results in situations
where people complain about the mere sight of a cigarette or cigar but
are happy to sit in restaurants with open fireplaces and grills, or
where incense is burned -- all of them being sources of equal amounts of
comparable pollutants and carcinogens.

[Street]

He provided a link, although I didn't bother reading it, because I
don't care about the subject. I doubt anybody else read it either.
They just assumed he was wrong because he was "Joe Bruno" and they
already "knew" that second-hand smoke has been proven to cause cancer.
(It hasn't.) I'm just advising him to not even bother because he seems
kind of pathetic.

Another case in point was the joke link posted yesterday about
vaccine/autism. Good joke, but it should have been labeled "sarcasm"
if the OP wanted anybody to really look at it.

[Street]

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 02:06:23 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno

Like I said, Joe. Nobody is going to even bother looking at your
evidence, not because of the evidence, but because of who it comes
from.

>
>
>UGH! JEANNE IS ONE BIG LIAR

No. She isn't, although I've read some cites proving that you seem to
be.

[Christopher A. Lee]

He teaches an involuntary audience that there are only three saltwater
ports in Russia, that "the bends" is nitrogen narcosis, that cosines
can be greater than one, that quadratic equations only have one
solution, that a mention in Greek literature of Moses and the Exodus
is evidence for something supposed to have happened a thousand years
earlier, and a whole slew of other things a high-school kid knows are
obviously wrong (and why).

[Christopher A. Lee]

When it is examined, it isn't evidence.

He's only "wrong by definition" because he has been wrong so many
times. And usually nastily so.

[WTS-51b]

Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:f1106930-88ff-4ee0...@googlegroups.com:

Not anywhere near the concentrations of tobacco. The Tobacco growers
bred the current leaves to contain very high doses of nicotine. And
if you should burn tomatoes and other vegetables in a trash fire, I
don't want to stand in the smoke. There are things in addition to
nicotine in tobacco, such as tar. Nicotine is the addictive factor,
but there's plenty more damaging contents to tobacco. Now, go light
up a good dose of tobacco, please!

[Street]

Then that's a good reason to not even bother examining it. I'm trying
to get him to realize that he doesn't have a chance here.

[Malcolm McMahon]

Breathing almost any kind of smoke is a bad idea, but a well designed fireplace or grill won't allow any significant amount into the room. That's what chimneys are for. If you were sitting in a pub wreathed in smoke from a faulty fireplace I'd guess you'd complain pretty quickly.

I don't know if anyone's measured the chemistry of incense smoke. I'd guess it's produced at a lower temperature than cigarette smoke. My guess would be that it would be less toxic.

Smokers love to fill confined spaces, like cars with clouds of smoke. It's unlikely you'll get exposure to any kind of smoke for so long, or in such concentrations.

[Tim]

"Joe Bruno" <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:7b8d12e1-71e4-4f26...@googlegroups.com...

Sorry, but cutting and pasting links doesn't qualify you as an educator.
Furthermore, failure to answer your own quizzes categorically disqualifies
you from membership in the class of educators.

>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/15/nicotine-in-vegetables_n_1597087.html

[Christopher A. Lee]

He didn't either - he just assumes that if he "knows" something, any
link he finds will "prove" it.

>don't care about the subject. I doubt anybody else read it either.
>They just assumed he was wrong because he was "Joe Bruno" and they
>already "knew" that second-hand smoke has been proven to cause cancer.

There is a strong correlation.

But that is not the only way it can cause death.

I'm not asthmatic, but I have had attacks when driving, when someone
has lit up in the car.

If I hadn't been able to keep control, it could have caused a fatal
accident.

>(It hasn't.) I'm just advising him to not even bother because he seems
>kind of pathetic.

He is.

When he first crashed alt.atheism, he accused atheists of wanting to
all sorts of things to thge religious but we couldn't because we
didn't have the power.

He took no notice of replies. Because in what passes for his mind, he
was right, and his lies got nastier with every one of his responses.

>Another case in point was the joke link posted yesterday about
>vaccine/autism. Good joke, but it should have been labeled "sarcasm"
>if the OP wanted anybody to really look at it.

He's serious.

He's also seriously mentally ill.

[Christopher A. Lee]

>>ROTFL! Here are 6 posts where I did just that:
>
>Like I said, Joe. Nobody is going to even bother looking at your
>evidence, not because of the evidence, but because of who it comes
>from.

What evidence?

He has never posted anything remotely resembling evidence.

Eg, his idea of "evidence" for Moses and the exodus, is a mention in
Greek literature from between 300 and 400 BCE of something supposed to
have happened at least a thousand years earlier.

[Street]

Yikes! Well I think everybody, even Joe hopefully, knows that second
hand smoke isn't good for anybody.

>>(It hasn't.) I'm just advising him to not even bother because he seems
>>kind of pathetic.
>
>He is.
>
>When he first crashed alt.atheism, he accused atheists of wanting to
>all sorts of things to thge religious but we couldn't because we
>didn't have the power.
>
>He took no notice of replies. Because in what passes for his mind, he
>was right, and his lies got nastier with every one of his responses.
>

You know them all a lot better than I do. I probably just need to take
your words for it and stop giving them the benefit of the doubt.

>>Another case in point was the joke link posted yesterday about
>>vaccine/autism. Good joke, but it should have been labeled "sarcasm"
>>if the OP wanted anybody to really look at it.
>
>He's serious.
>
>He's also seriously mentally ill.

I don't doubt that he's mentally ill, but he didn't believe what he
said. Here's the link he posted "proving" that vaccines cause autism:

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com

The videos he posted are good too. Funny.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgpfNScEd3M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2mdwmpLYLY

[Christopher A. Lee]

We've been trying that for years without success.

Have you seen his silly quizzes?

After being an in-your-face, obnoxious jerk for many years, he
suddenly started demanding we answer trivia quizzes as if we we
buddies.

But too many of the questions would insult a high-schooler, and his
own wrong answers (and questions based on invalid presumptions) meant
he shot himself in the foot - especially as he also said they were
intended to "prove" he was more intelligent and more knowledgeable
that we are.

Case in point - he demanded we solve a couple of equations.

One of these reduced to Cos(X) = 12 [or similar] so it showed he had
no idea what a cosine was (the knowledge part), or why it couldn't be
greater than 1 (the intelligence part).

When we tried to explain that a cosine is the ratio of the adjacent
side of a right-angled triangle to the hypotenuse (the longest side)
and that this couldn't be greater than one, he attacked us because we
were atheists and therefore couldn't be trusted because we were liars.

We treated him and his silly quiz as a joke and ignored the reat of
that quiz - which he took as meaning we couldn't answer any of it.

So he "worked through" a quadratic equation as a put-down, completely
missing that there are two values for the square root of nine - plus
three and minus three.

And again, he didn't believe us and demanded evidence for what every
kid learns in high school math.

That's even before his self-aggrandising lies about himself to
give him undeserved "authority" for his own nonsense...

"I also practiced criminal law as a prosecutor in the Navy for 4
years." -- Art Tandy (Joe Bruno), July 22, 2011

"I did not practice law in the military or anywhere else, you stupid
fucking atheist fucks and never said I did." -- Art Tandy (Joe Bruno),
Sept 22 2011

[Don Martin]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 07:37:05 -0400, Street <str...@the.office> wrote

to Jeanne Douglas:

>>Well, no. It's because he NEVER supplies evidence for any of his claims.
>
>He provided a link, although I didn't bother reading it, because I
>don't care about the subject.

You ought to have done, though, before charging people with dismissing
this slob because he is this slob. His typical efforts to produce
evidence in the past have consisted of bullshit almost immediately
debunked by those with access to genuine information or links to
websites the biases of which are patent to the most casual observer.
While there is a possibility that he has reformed, it is pretty much
on a par with those Utah chaps having really produced cold fusion a
few years ago.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

[Street]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:04:02 -0400, Don Martin
<drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 07:37:05 -0400, Street <str...@the.office> wrote
>to Jeanne Douglas:
>
>>>Well, no. It's because he NEVER supplies evidence for any of his claims.
>>
>>He provided a link, although I didn't bother reading it, because I
>>don't care about the subject.
>
>You ought to have done, though, before charging people with dismissing
>this slob because he is this slob. His typical efforts to produce
>evidence in the past have consisted of bullshit almost immediately
>debunked by those with access to genuine information or links to
>websites the biases of which are patent to the most casual observer.
>While there is a possibility that he has reformed, it is pretty much
>on a par with those Utah chaps having really produced cold fusion a
>few years ago.

Thanks Don. Your advice is heeded, although I wasn't (deliberately)
charging anybody here, just trying to get Joe to understand why what
he's trying to do is useless.

[Street]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 08:59:10 -0500, Christopher A. Lee

No, I haven't seen his quizzes yet.

>After being an in-your-face, obnoxious jerk for many years, he
>suddenly started demanding we answer trivia quizzes as if we we
>buddies.
>
>But too many of the questions would insult a high-schooler, and his
>own wrong answers (and questions based on invalid presumptions) meant
>he shot himself in the foot - especially as he also said they were
>intended to "prove" he was more intelligent and more knowledgeable
>that we are.
>

Sheesh.

>Case in point - he demanded we solve a couple of equations.
>
>One of these reduced to Cos(X) = 12 [or similar] so it showed he had
>no idea what a cosine was (the knowledge part), or why it couldn't be
>greater than 1 (the intelligence part).
>
>When we tried to explain that a cosine is the ratio of the adjacent
>side of a right-angled triangle to the hypotenuse (the longest side)
>and that this couldn't be greater than one, he attacked us because we
>were atheists and therefore couldn't be trusted because we were liars.
>
>We treated him and his silly quiz as a joke and ignored the reat of
>that quiz - which he took as meaning we couldn't answer any of it.
>
>So he "worked through" a quadratic equation as a put-down, completely
>missing that there are two values for the square root of nine - plus
>three and minus three.
>
>And again, he didn't believe us and demanded evidence for what every
>kid learns in high school math.
>

He must be crazy, then.

>That's even before his self-aggrandising lies about himself to
>give him undeserved "authority" for his own nonsense...
>
>"I also practiced criminal law as a prosecutor in the Navy for 4
>years." -- Art Tandy (Joe Bruno), July 22, 2011
>
>"I did not practice law in the military or anywhere else, you stupid
>fucking atheist fucks and never said I did." -- Art Tandy (Joe Bruno),
>Sept 22 2011

LOL. Only 2 months apart.

[Don Martin]

But I suspect that it is not useless to him. His apparent motives for
infesting this space is to attract attention, and he does not seem to
care whether the attention is positive or negative, so long as he gets
SOME. It is pathetic, really, and many here have told him to seek
help, but so long as their attention continues to come his way he is
unlikely to do so.

[Christopher A. Lee]

Elsewhere he said he went to law school and was a criminal prosecutor
in the navy.

The first part was actually true - but he dropped out.

It was weaseling language to make him seem he qualified to be the
criminal lawyer he never was.

I forget what he was trying to "justify", but it was clearly nonsense,
which is common knowledge and any lawyer would have known - so it was
clear he could not have been a criminal prosecutor.

But his modus operandi is to keep demanding evidence that has been
provided over and over again, for things like this.

It's deny, deny, deny and keep denying even when caught red handed.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <sg5rua5fnliobph1k...@4ax.com>,

Don Martin <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 07:37:05 -0400, Street <str...@the.office> wrote
> to Jeanne Douglas:
>
> >>Well, no. It's because he NEVER supplies evidence for any of his claims.
> >
> >He provided a link, although I didn't bother reading it, because I
> >don't care about the subject.
>
> You ought to have done, though, before charging people with dismissing
> this slob because he is this slob. His typical efforts to produce
> evidence in the past have consisted of bullshit almost immediately
> debunked by those with access to genuine information or links to
> websites the biases of which are patent to the most casual observer.
> While there is a possibility that he has reformed, it is pretty much
> on a par with those Utah chaps having really produced cold fusion a
> few years ago.

Or he posts the URL to a google search results page which, of course, is
worthless unless you've clicked on those links to make sure they say
what you think they're saying (which, very often, they don't).

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <b1arual9ta85693ae...@4ax.com>,

Better he behave like this here online than go out and behave like this
in public, so we feel we're doing him a favor by keeping him out of jail
for disturbing the peace. He's a prime example of a "pity troll".

[rja.ca...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, 5 September 2015 12:00:58 UTC+1, Joe Bruno wrote:
> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/

How do you choose what to lie about on any given day?
Is there a circular you subscribe to that goes around
with each topic in turn? Or do you use Conservapedia's
featured articles? (described as "random".) For instance
<http://www.conservapedia.com/Passive_smoking>

[Alex W.]

On 07/09/2015 13:31, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> On Monday, 7 September 2015 11:25:59 UTC+1, Alex W. wrote:
>> On 07/09/2015 08:02, Tom McDonald wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The issue with tobacco smoke is that there are hundreds, perhaps
>>> thousands, of other compounds in smoking tobacco that can and do lead to
>>> those problems. And they aren't magically wrung out of the smoke in
>>> their entirety by passing through the smoker's lungs.
>>
>> Which is correct in itself.
>>
>> It is also misleading when used as an argument.
>>
>> It leads to a fixation on tobacco which in turn results in situations
>> where people complain about the mere sight of a cigarette or cigar but
>> are happy to sit in restaurants with open fireplaces and grills, or
>> where incense is burned -- all of them being sources of equal amounts of
>> comparable pollutants and carcinogens.
>
> Breathing almost any kind of smoke is a bad idea, but a well designed
> fireplace or grill won't allow any significant amount into the room.
> That's what chimneys are for. If you were sitting in a pub wreathed
> in smoke from a faulty fireplace I'd guess you'd complain pretty
> quickly.

That's the extreme end.

According to the experts, though, even a well-vented grill or fireplace
is quite harmful

http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/healtheffects.html

"Although cigarette smoking is a greater risk factor for COPD in
developed countries, indoor air pollution from solid fuel use is
responsible for more than 1.6 million annual deaths and 2.7 percent of
the global burden of COPD in developing countries, according to the
World Health Organization."

http://www.burningissues.org/car-www/medical_effects/heart-lung/heart-lung-copd.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100715090651.htm

>
> I don't know if anyone's measured the chemistry of incense smoke. I'd
> guess it's produced at a lower temperature than cigarette smoke. My
> guess would be that it would be less toxic.

I'm not sure about untangling the chemistry of incense smoke, but I do
recall reading about a study in the Netherlands that measured the
concentration and known carcinogens in churches and concluded that going
to mass for an hour was equal to spending several hours in a smoky pub.

>
> Smokers love to fill confined spaces, like cars with clouds of smoke.
> It's unlikely you'll get exposure to any kind of smoke for so long,
> or in such concentrations.

In churches or temples you do.

The EPA estimates that a single fireplace operating for an hour and
burning 10 pounds of wood will generate 4,300 times more highly
carcinogenic PAHs (polyaromatic hydrocarbons than 30 cigarettes.

A study by the University of Washington in Seattle showed that 50-70% of
the outdoor levels of wood smoke were entering homes that were not
burning wood. EPA did a similar study in Boise, Idaho, with similar results.

[Street]

That's actually nice of you. I hadn't thought of it that way. I was
just feeling sorry for them (Joe and Jim) because they seem so
emotional. Unlike J, whom I suspect isn't even sincere, and the
fundies who probably think they're doing God's will and reaping
rewards in Heaven for being persecuted here.

[Don Martin]

It is, however, mere speculation that attention to such "keeps them
out of jail," and further speculation that their being in jail is
necessarily a bad thing. It is at least possible that from jail they
may be remanded to a mental health facility that might do them more
good than either incarceration or our attention can.

[Jim Noles]

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 16:39:13 -0700 (PDT), rja.ca...@gmail.com wrote:

>On Saturday, 5 September 2015 12:00:58 UTC+1, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/
>
>How do you choose what to lie about on any given day?

It has to end in "day."




Planet Visitor II

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." --
Martin Luther King Jr.

"Imagine the beautiful sound of toilets flushing and garbage disposals
grinding away night and day! MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm, I'm
getting all wet again!!!" == W.T.S. (the fuckwit) becoming sexually
aroused at her thought of aborted fetuses See --
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!original/alt.abortion/92tbHdpw6fQ/AOKc4nTGu8cJ

[Jim Noles]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 00:17:49 -0700, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

>In article <hh8qua1cpn1dj9ngl...@4ax.com>,

>Well, no. It's because he NEVER supplies evidence for any of his claims.

ROTFLMAO... Like you care about evidence....

Planet Visitor II

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." --
Martin Luther King Jr.

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom of the barrel that is Jeane's depraved
racism == Jim Noles

[hypatiab7]

And his past 'evidence' has been proved wrong so many times. And, as with the other theist trolls, he obviously hadn't read the entire articles he provided
links to.

[hypatiab7]

Our theist trolls have gone through stages. First, they wanted to convert us.
They finally realized that this wasn't going to happen (it took years), so
they decided to be annoying and time wasting. Now, they are realizing that this no longer works, so they have become nasty and obscene. Some are even stupid enough to make threats. But if we can simply choose a pity troll or two or three to keep off the streets, we've served a good purpose. Once we have an
active corral of pity trolls, we can ignore the others. Also when the sillier trolls start a thread of their own, it gets ignored, unless one of them is someone's pity troll. It keeps the poor wretches busy. And, they do feed on attention whether its good or bad. The ones who are seriously mentally ill are
cases unto themselves.The ones I'd place in this grouping are Cody, Joe Bruno,
Duke and Asteroid 7. Others aren't quite as bad - Mattb, Jim Noles and more.

[hypatiab7]

That won't work. ArtyJoe is the center of his own universe. He can't be
wrong ever. He's been doing this for 13 years.

[hypatiab7]

On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 7:30:07 PM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 3:28:24 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:

> > On Saturday, September 5, 2015 at 7:00:58 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> > > http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100251229/passive-smoking-another-of-the-nanny-states-big-lies/
> >

> > Sigh... I miss the days when you could smoke in your office, and non-smoking coworkers had ash trays on their desks for when smokers came to visit.
>
> The only place I smoke around other people is in the casino I visit to play Poker and Craps.Some other players raised hell about my smoking for a while. Then, a pit boss named Carlos, who I was friendly with, told me and the others that I could smoke 10 feet from the card table and nobody could object to that.
>
> Now that he has set policy, peace reigns at Barona Casino.I move back from the Poker table and smoke when I want and they all leave me alone.
>
> Bless you, Carlos!!!!!

You're blessing Carlos for allowing you to develop cancer a bit sooner?
You're nuts.

[Street]

Physical threats are felonies. Anybody who makes them had better be
sure they really are anonymous.

>But if we can simply choose a pity troll or two or three to keep off the streets, we've served a good purpose. Once we have an
>active corral of pity trolls, we can ignore the others. Also when the sillier trolls start a thread of their own, it gets ignored, unless one of them is someone's pity troll. It keeps the poor wretches busy. And, they do feed on attention whether its good or bad.

Trolls vary in their motives but they all need to know that they've
affected people in some way. That's the whole point of trolling.
Attention is evidence that they've succeeded.

>The ones who are seriously mentally ill are
>cases unto themselves.The ones I'd place in this grouping are Cody, Joe Bruno,
>Duke and Asteroid 7. Others aren't quite as bad - Mattb, Jim Noles and more.

I feel sorry for Joe if he's serious. I hope he isn't.

[Street]

Maybe he needs meds.

[Christopher A. Lee]

That might calm help his anger issues, but nothing can help his
complete lack of self-awareness, his narcissism, etc.

[Paul]

Perhaps a few years of psychotherapy might help.

[rja.ca...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, 13 September 2015 16:50:32 UTC+1, hypatiab7 wrote:
> Our theist trolls have gone through stages. First, they wanted to convert us.
> They finally realized that this wasn't going to happen (it took years), so
> they decided to be annoying and time wasting. Now, they are realizing that
> this no longer works, so they have become nasty and obscene. Some are
> even stupid enough to make threats. But if we can simply choose a pity
> troll or two or three to keep off the streets, we've served a good
> purpose. Once we have an active corral of pity trolls, we can ignore
> the others. Also when the sillier trolls start a thread of their own,
> it gets ignored, unless one of them is someone's pity troll. It keeps
> the poor wretches busy. And, they do feed on attention whether its
> good or bad. The ones who are seriously mentally ill are cases unto
> themselves.The ones I'd place in this grouping are Cody, Joe Bruno,
> Duke and Asteroid 7. Others aren't quite as bad - Mattb, Jim Noles
> and more.

With respect to our friend Street, I don't want to be involved
in keeping trolls off the streets if it means they're in my
home-office instead. Let them be a nuisance elsewhere.
Let them declaim their beliefs to the public on street corners.
Maybe someone will shoot them.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <9288efd4-1e73-4df3...@googlegroups.com>,

He's also bragging that he's a drug addict.

--

JD

I¹ve officially given up trying to find the bottom

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <8d6aa9a3-5a15-46c7...@googlegroups.com>,

Now now now. We're better than they are and don't wish people dead.

--

JD

I靶e officially given up trying to find the bottom

[Don Martin]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT), rja.ca...@gmail.com
wrote:

One can but hope.

[Don Martin]

People, no, but how does that apply to _them_?

[Jim Noles]

1) I am absolutely NOT a theist. I have no idea where you would have come up
with that. I am a bound and determined atheist.

2) I hardly ever START a thread. I am not an activist, but rather a person who
only reacts to the argument of someone else, and I generally respond only
because I find a problem with that argument as presented. Which obviously
makes me seen as annoying to the person having offered that argument. I
can't apologize for being someone who questions and prods, often in a caustic
way, I admit, causing them to react in such a volatile explosion in being so
determined to never admit the slightest problem with their arguments. I use
this caustic method in purposely hoping to cause such strong reactions. If people
feel "threatened" by my methods in questioning their argument, I hardly think that's
my fault.

3) I need to repeat... nothing in human nature is an _absolute_. I don't consider
myself a leader, but I also do not consider myself a follower in lock step with anyone.
I am who I am... not who others would want me to be.

4) It's not my place to even suggest this, but at the risk of taking that chance,
IMHO, you would do much better defending your own arguments, and finding
your own place, rather than marching along with others in lock step defending
their arguments. I find that you NEVER have any disagreement with any
of your friends, which can only make me wonder if you actually have any
thoughts of your own.

HTH

Planet Visitor II

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." --
Martin Luther King Jr.

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom of the barrel that is Jeanne's
depraved racism. == Jim Noles

[rja.ca...@gmail.com]

I don't see an obligation not to wish people dead if they are
Internet trolls. If they are dead then they aren't bothering us
any more. Not only do I sincerely wish them dead, I want to
kill them all myself, for the general good and for personal
satisfaction. But you tell me it's illegal to do that. But
it's not illegal to /want/ to do it. And it's not wrong either.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <lp5cval9h1llvq7i5...@4ax.com>,

That's the kind of dehumanization that they do. We're supposed to be
better than that.

--

JD

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom

[Don Martin]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:23:23 -0700, Jeanne Douglas

Personally, I feel no warm glow of moral superiority by wishing them
to continue in life. While I will not work actively to bump them off,
I shall shed no tears should they stop posting because of having been
devoured--slowly--by alligators.

Should they wish to stop posting without enduring that ordeal, I might
think the better of them.

[rja.ca...@gmail.com]

Specifically, they should stop writing and posting troll
articles. Appropriate and respectful communication would
be acceptable - although since this is alt.atheism,
religious trolls don't have much that they could say here
/except/ for unwelcome abuse of the system and its
legitimate users.

As for not taking up arms to wipe them out by physical force
- I myself am not presently undertaking that, but, if and
when it becomes appropriate, I don't want to be the one who
does all the work. So there's going to be a rota.

[Don Martin]

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 05:50:25 -0700 (PDT), rja.ca...@gmail.com
wrote:

>> >That's the kind of dehumanization that they do. We're supposed to be
>> >better than that.
>>
>> Personally, I feel no warm glow of moral superiority by wishing them
>> to continue in life. While I will not work actively to bump them off,
>> I shall shed no tears should they stop posting because of having been
>> devoured--slowly--by alligators.
>>
>> Should they wish to stop posting without enduring that ordeal, I might
>> think the better of them.
>
>Specifically, they should stop writing and posting troll
>articles. Appropriate and respectful communication would
>be acceptable - although since this is alt.atheism,
>religious trolls don't have much that they could say here
>/except/ for unwelcome abuse of the system and its
>legitimate users.
>
>As for not taking up arms to wipe them out by physical force
>- I myself am not presently undertaking that, but, if and
>when it becomes appropriate, I don't want to be the one who
>does all the work. So there's going to be a rota.

Is that the shuffle of feet I hear, as guys line up to sign up?

[Jim Noles]

And yet you aren't. You personally have dehumanized Blacks a number of
times.

[Jim Noles]

Heh... your friend, Mr. Eire., just wished me dead, Jeanne. His words
"Isn't it about time for you to die? If it is, then please go. We'll light a candle."

[Jim Noles]

Heh... aren't you the very image of self-deprecation.

>While I will not work actively to bump them off,
>I shall shed no tears should they stop posting because of having been
>devoured--slowly--by alligators.

Oops... looks like you're trying to dehumanize them.

>Should they wish to stop posting without enduring that ordeal, I might
>think

No proof offered.


> the better of them.

You should consider them your betters to begin with, sport.

Planet Visitor II

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." --
Martin Luther King Jr.

I've officially given up trying to find the bottom of the barrel that is PATRICK'S
depraved hate for gays. == Jim Noles