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MarkA
Feb 14, 2013, 12:34:47 PM2/14/13
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To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
are true:
The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
see how far you get.
If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
commitment is to a mental institution.
Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
not one shred of evidence to support it. But, it's very important, so,
don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus. You'd think
that a carpenter, traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY who had the
literacy to write a contemporary narrative. But no, the stories got
written about 100 years after the fact, and we are to accept them as
historically accurate. Right.
Pick more if you like. The Garden of Eden? (Explain how all of humankind
could have come from a single pair of ancestors, about 6,000 years ago).
Tower of Babel? (Why was God worried about the Tower, when we can reach
much higher into the Heavens today?)
The list goes on.
The only thing more bizarre about the theist brain is their willingness to
kill infidels and blasphemers, who insist on asking the obvious questions.
Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things. I often wonder if
they will be our salvation, or our eventual destruction.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
are true:
The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
see how far you get.
If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
commitment is to a mental institution.
Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
not one shred of evidence to support it. But, it's very important, so,
don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus. You'd think
that a carpenter, traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY who had the
literacy to write a contemporary narrative. But no, the stories got
written about 100 years after the fact, and we are to accept them as
historically accurate. Right.
Pick more if you like. The Garden of Eden? (Explain how all of humankind
could have come from a single pair of ancestors, about 6,000 years ago).
Tower of Babel? (Why was God worried about the Tower, when we can reach
much higher into the Heavens today?)
The list goes on.
The only thing more bizarre about the theist brain is their willingness to
kill infidels and blasphemers, who insist on asking the obvious questions.
Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things. I often wonder if
they will be our salvation, or our eventual destruction.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Ken
Feb 14, 2013, 12:58:09 PM2/14/13
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Kelsey Bjarnason
Feb 14, 2013, 1:19:09 PM2/14/13
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[snips]
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
> to you?
Let's not forget, this is the dude held to be the standard of what is
good and loving.
> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
> see how far you get.
If you were *really* industrious, you could possibly build such a
monster. Problem is, the first wave it saw would cause it to collapse
like a deck of cards. That's assuming its own mass didn't force its
seams open and dump the entire load.
> If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
> rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the
> water came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals
> into/out of the ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard
> to see how even the most committed theists could take it seriously.
> Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
Even more fun is calculating the energy involved. Buddy of mine did so,
years back. Net result? If there *were* a flood, it killed every living
thing with temperatures in the range of something like 1400 C.
> Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
> IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
> not one shred of evidence to support it.
Yeah, and both the Jews and the Romans were fairly meticulous records-
keepers, yet there's absolutely FA recorded evidence of some of the most
significant events and people surrounding the whole story.
> Pick more if you like. The Garden of Eden? (Explain how all of
> humankind could have come from a single pair of ancestors, about 6,000
> years ago). Tower of Babel? (Why was God worried about the Tower, when
> we can reach much higher into the Heavens today?)
Or how about this one: "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out
the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants
of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."
God - who is omnipotent and can create entire universes - can't defeat an
army if it has iron chariots. And people actually take this nonsense
seriously. :)
> The only thing more bizarre about the theist brain is their willingness
> to kill infidels and blasphemers, who insist on asking the obvious
> questions.
> Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things. I often wonder if
> they will be our salvation, or our eventual destruction.
According to their beliefs, God created them as they are, complete with
brains and curiosity. Pity they refuse to use the gifts God supposedly
gave them. I think that, if I were God, I'd be a little miffed that the
supposed pinnacle of design, the human mind, was squandered by the very
people who supposedly worship me.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
> to you?
good and loving.
> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
> see how far you get.
monster. Problem is, the first wave it saw would cause it to collapse
like a deck of cards. That's assuming its own mass didn't force its
seams open and dump the entire load.
> If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
> rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the
> water came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals
> into/out of the ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard
> to see how even the most committed theists could take it seriously.
> Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
years back. Net result? If there *were* a flood, it killed every living
thing with temperatures in the range of something like 1400 C.
> Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
> IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
> not one shred of evidence to support it.
keepers, yet there's absolutely FA recorded evidence of some of the most
significant events and people surrounding the whole story.
> Pick more if you like. The Garden of Eden? (Explain how all of
> humankind could have come from a single pair of ancestors, about 6,000
> years ago). Tower of Babel? (Why was God worried about the Tower, when
> we can reach much higher into the Heavens today?)
the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants
of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."
God - who is omnipotent and can create entire universes - can't defeat an
army if it has iron chariots. And people actually take this nonsense
seriously. :)
> The only thing more bizarre about the theist brain is their willingness
> to kill infidels and blasphemers, who insist on asking the obvious
> questions.
> Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things. I often wonder if
> they will be our salvation, or our eventual destruction.
brains and curiosity. Pity they refuse to use the gifts God supposedly
gave them. I think that, if I were God, I'd be a little miffed that the
supposed pinnacle of design, the human mind, was squandered by the very
people who supposedly worship me.
Christopher A. Lee
Feb 14, 2013, 2:19:29 PM2/14/13
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
>To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>
>Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>are true:
>
>The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
>
>Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>see how far you get.
Not just that, but wooden vessels flex. The seams have to be caulked
to seal them from the water coming in. The larger the ship, the
greater the flexing. This puts an upper limit on the size of the
vessels. The biggest sailing vessels leaked badly. And the ark is much
bigger still.
Rope was used between planks in olden days. Here's an example...
http://batana-kostanca-en.blogspot.com/2011/12/caulking-puttying-and-painting.html
wrote:
>To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>
>Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>are true:
>
>The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
>
>Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>see how far you get.
to seal them from the water coming in. The larger the ship, the
greater the flexing. This puts an upper limit on the size of the
vessels. The biggest sailing vessels leaked badly. And the ark is much
bigger still.
Rope was used between planks in olden days. Here's an example...
http://batana-kostanca-en.blogspot.com/2011/12/caulking-puttying-and-painting.html
MarkA
Feb 14, 2013, 2:23:09 PM2/14/13
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crazy shit, too!
Ken
Feb 14, 2013, 2:35:18 PM2/14/13
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beginning?
Have a friend who ended up the local psy ward for taking a few dozen
too many pills one night.
I brought her some marbles on the sly when visiting her.
The next day, during group, she pulls them out, puts them on the table
and saz: "Look. I found my marbles. Can I go home now?"
Even the Doctor cracked up
Christopher A. Lee
Feb 14, 2013, 2:36:41 PM2/14/13
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>[snips]
>
>On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
>
>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
>> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
>> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
>> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
>> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
>> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
>> to you?
>
>Let's not forget, this is the dude held to be the standard of what is
>good and loving.
Which they resolve by redefining "good" and "loving" as what it did
<kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>[snips]
>
>On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
>
>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
>> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
>> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
>> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
>> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
>> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
>> to you?
>
>Let's not forget, this is the dude held to be the standard of what is
>good and loving.
according to the Bible.
MarkA
Feb 14, 2013, 2:41:45 PM2/14/13
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if the required amount of water vapor condensed into liquid water at the
rate needed to flood the world in 40 days. It was a LOT. I suppose you
could get around that by supposing that the water wasn't actually a vapor,
but a fine mist suspended in the atmosphere. I don't think there is a
significant amount of energy released when tiny water droplets coalesce
into large drops. However, water at sea level will be warmer than water
high in the atmosphere, due to the difference in potential energy, and the
conversion of kinetic energy to heat when the rain drop hits the
ground, and stops falling.
Joe Bruno
Feb 14, 2013, 2:45:52 PM2/14/13
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On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>
> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>
> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>
> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that all theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.Fundies are a small minority.As a matter of fact, I have posted material which proves that most Churches accept evolution.
> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>
> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>
> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>
> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>
>
>
> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>
> are true:
>
>
>
> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>
> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>
> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>
> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>
> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>
> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
As usual, you make silly assumptions.
>
>
> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>
> are true:
>
>
>
> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>
> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>
> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>
> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>
> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>
> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
Where is your evidence of the Earth's population at the time of the flood? How did you pick 4000BC?Human have been on Earth more than 30,000 years?
According to the story God brought the flood because people had become evil not because "things were not turning out".
>
>
>
> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>
> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>
> see how far you get.
The ark's dimensions were no where near the size of a supertanker.
>
>
> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>
> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>
> see how far you get.
Those dimensions are listed in Genesis.Why must you lie about it?
>
>
>
> If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
>
> rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
>
> came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
>
> ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
>
> most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
>
> commitment is to a mental institution.
AHHH! Theists frighten you so much that you want them locked up?
>
>
> If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
>
> rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
>
> came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
>
> ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
>
> most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
>
> commitment is to a mental institution.
That's what the Soviets in the USSR used to do to dissidents.
Shall I call you"comrade"?
YOu want religious groups locked up because of their beliefs?
Wow! Hitler and Stalin would heartedly approve.
Funny. You atheists always seem to hide behind your constitutional rights
when threatened by your enemies. Now, you want to tear up the first amendment?Remember it says:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
>
>
>
> Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
>
> IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
>
> not one shred of evidence to support it. But, it's very important, so,
>
> don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
>
>
>
> Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus. You'd think
>
> that a carpenter, traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
>
> a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY who had the
>
> literacy to write a contemporary narrative. But no, the stories got
>
> written about 100 years after the fact, and we are to accept them as
>
> historically accurate. Right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
>
>
> Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
>
> IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
>
> not one shred of evidence to support it. But, it's very important, so,
>
> don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
>
>
>
> Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus. You'd think
>
> that a carpenter, traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
>
> a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY who had the
>
> literacy to write a contemporary narrative. But no, the stories got
>
> written about 100 years after the fact, and we are to accept them as
>
> historically accurate. Right.
>
>
>
Joe Bruno
Feb 14, 2013, 3:09:54 PM2/14/13
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On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
and Buddhists want to do this? As of the 1997 census, Moslems as a whole
represented only 22% of the Earth's population.Christians were 33%.
who insist on asking the obvious questions.
>
> Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things. I often wonder if
>
> they will be our salvation, or our eventual destruction.
to support their vendetta against anyone who disagrees with them.
You just put atheists in that category.
Joe Bruno
Feb 14, 2013, 3:20:25 PM2/14/13
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Uncle Vic
Feb 15, 2013, 12:47:02 AM2/15/13
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MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2013.02.14....@nowhere.invalid:
>
> I saw a calculation once that determined how much heat would be
> released if the required amount of water vapor condensed into liquid
> water at the rate needed to flood the world in 40 days. It was a LOT.
> I suppose you could get around that by supposing that the water
> wasn't actually a vapor, but a fine mist suspended in the atmosphere.
> I don't think there is a significant amount of energy released when
> tiny water droplets coalesce into large drops. However, water at sea
> level will be warmer than water high in the atmosphere, due to the
> difference in potential energy, and the conversion of kinetic energy
> to heat when the rain drop hits the ground, and stops falling.
>
It seems to me there'd be a lot more bailing duty than Noah's family could
handle 24/7 for 40 days. Maybe they trained the dinosaurs to do it.
Don't hit me.
--
Uncle Vic
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The purpose of life is to give it away.
Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee
news:pan.2013.02.14....@nowhere.invalid:
>
> I saw a calculation once that determined how much heat would be
> released if the required amount of water vapor condensed into liquid
> water at the rate needed to flood the world in 40 days. It was a LOT.
> I suppose you could get around that by supposing that the water
> wasn't actually a vapor, but a fine mist suspended in the atmosphere.
> I don't think there is a significant amount of energy released when
> tiny water droplets coalesce into large drops. However, water at sea
> level will be warmer than water high in the atmosphere, due to the
> difference in potential energy, and the conversion of kinetic energy
> to heat when the rain drop hits the ground, and stops falling.
>
handle 24/7 for 40 days. Maybe they trained the dinosaurs to do it.
Don't hit me.
--
Uncle Vic
aa# 2011
The meaning of life is to find your gift.
The purpose of life is to give it away.
Visit my You Tube Channel!
http://www.youtube.com/user/Vicman6311?feature=mhee
Uncle Vic
Feb 15, 2013, 12:49:47 AM2/15/13
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Joe Bruno <atan...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a183fb31-961b-4400...@googlegroups.com:
> You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that all
> theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.
So how do you take the Flood story? Is it a metaphor? What does it mean?
What kind of picture does it paint of your god in your mind?
news:a183fb31-961b-4400...@googlegroups.com:
> You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that all
> theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.
What kind of picture does it paint of your god in your mind?
Jason
Feb 15, 2013, 1:59:28 AM2/15/13
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In article <XnsA167DD93AB9...@216.196.121.131>, Uncle Vic
A liberal CNN reporter asked Doctor Nye the Science Guy if the asteroid
heading towards the earth was caused by global warming.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rnr/3608381914.html
<so...@noway.com> wrote:
> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
> news:pan.2013.02.14....@nowhere.invalid:
>
> >
> > I saw a calculation once that determined how much heat would be
> > released if the required amount of water vapor condensed into liquid
> > water at the rate needed to flood the world in 40 days. It was a LOT.
> > I suppose you could get around that by supposing that the water
> > wasn't actually a vapor, but a fine mist suspended in the atmosphere.
> > I don't think there is a significant amount of energy released when
> > tiny water droplets coalesce into large drops. However, water at sea
> > level will be warmer than water high in the atmosphere, due to the
> > difference in potential energy, and the conversion of kinetic energy
> > to heat when the rain drop hits the ground, and stops falling.
> >
>
> It seems to me there'd be a lot more bailing duty than Noah's family could
> handle 24/7 for 40 days. Maybe they trained the dinosaurs to do it.
>
> Don't hit me.
Why do liberal reporters say weird things?
> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
> news:pan.2013.02.14....@nowhere.invalid:
>
> >
> > I saw a calculation once that determined how much heat would be
> > released if the required amount of water vapor condensed into liquid
> > water at the rate needed to flood the world in 40 days. It was a LOT.
> > I suppose you could get around that by supposing that the water
> > wasn't actually a vapor, but a fine mist suspended in the atmosphere.
> > I don't think there is a significant amount of energy released when
> > tiny water droplets coalesce into large drops. However, water at sea
> > level will be warmer than water high in the atmosphere, due to the
> > difference in potential energy, and the conversion of kinetic energy
> > to heat when the rain drop hits the ground, and stops falling.
> >
>
> It seems to me there'd be a lot more bailing duty than Noah's family could
> handle 24/7 for 40 days. Maybe they trained the dinosaurs to do it.
>
> Don't hit me.
A liberal CNN reporter asked Doctor Nye the Science Guy if the asteroid
heading towards the earth was caused by global warming.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rnr/3608381914.html
fasgnadh
Feb 15, 2013, 2:34:11 AM2/15/13
to
MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
> Some of the things they believe in
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
# Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
# religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
> would be instantly recognized as being absurd.
But much of their ideology is just as dangerous as
every atheist regime in history has shown it to be;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
> Look at some of the really, really stupid things
# From: "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
<god...@fidemturbare.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
# Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
Re-defined by
# the New Atheists
# Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
# Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
#
#
# Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
#
# > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
# > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
#
# you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
# (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
>
> Wow.
Yeah! Not a single atheist took the atheists who believe that the
ONLY qualification to be an atheist is the inability to form a rational
belief, or thought, to task... 8^o
Thus the atheists believe that babies, simians, the brain dead comatose
and lumps of Dog Shit are all de facto atheists! B^D
Priceless!
And because of stupidity like that, most people think the Dog Shit
is the intellectual ELITE of atheism!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
> I'm always impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
Sure you are, but you're an atheist, and thus easily impressed by
what is really the most useless, ineffectual sub-branch of pointless
Nihilism.
And atheists simply cannot face the historical reality
that EVERY atheist state in history has been a totalitarian
tyranny, terrorising, torturing and killing over 80,000,000 people.. Far
more than ANY religion! 8^o
> Really?
One atheist admitted the death toll from atheist regimes could be as
high as 100,000,000;
# From: Kilmir <kil...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: is religion really the answer? Not if the question is
# "What killed 60,000,000 in the last 100 years" - ATHEIST REGIMES DID
IT! 8^o
# Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
# Organization: http://groups.google.com
# Message-ID:
<042262dc-a546-4054...@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#
#
#
http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2008/06/anonymous-wanted-body-count-total-so-he.html
#
# atheists have caused almost a whopping 100 million deaths throughout
# world history.
> That sounds OK to you?
It's possible, the data suggests the death toll could have been that
high, but I prefer to use the more conservative estimates of serious
historians.
> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship
Sounds like something the last of the failed atheist regimes, Nth Korea
would be challenged to achieve.. they, like every atheist state ever
to exist, are a catastrophic cluster fuck, so dysfunctional the UN can't
even place them on the Human Development Index, .. their people have to
EAT GRASS during the frequent famines to try and stay alive!!!
North Korea is such a twisted propaganda nightmare they INVENTED
a a fake state 'religion', Juche, so they could pretend 'See, we don't
ban ALL religion, we allow this fraud!" B^D
> It is such an obvious fable
Sure, but you still find the atheist stooges in USENET defending those
insane atheist fanatics from criticism! B^p
it's hard to see how even the most committed atheist could take it
> Here's another good one:
# Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
# claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
# was Re: Atheist infanticide -
# "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
# alt.politics.republicans
# Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
Bukakke was challenged for EVIDENCE supporting the claim that atheist
infanticide was justified because the child was 'a despot' and has
kept running EVER SINCE!
> there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
Of course not, it was just more atheist propaganda lies
in a futile attempt to disguise their brutal murder of an
annocent child.
Runaway chicken!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
> don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
Oh I know the atheists will never admit the truth,
but I like to expose them for the liars and frauds they are.
And peoiple can see how they make themselves complicit
in the crimes against humanity committed by EVERY atheist
state in history! B^[
Why do atheists defend such evil and oppose all that is good;
# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John
# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
> Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus.
It's great to hear you admit it, after all he has had far more impact
on the world than all the atheists put together! B^D
> You'd think that a carpenter,
> traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
> a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY
And so the4re must have been something extraordinary about him
to cause an expotential explosion of converts, including such
temporal powers as Rome, and such hard cases as the Vikings.
Clearly even the toughest, men who couldn't be co-erced, were
won over by a superior world-view, and poor old atheism has NEVER
achieved popular acceptance anywhere.. it has ALWAYS been IMPOSED
by atheist tyrants and ALWAYS FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY.
Clearly atheist correlates with tyranny, and religions, including gentle
Jesus, have inspired all the great and enduring civilisations;
# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
> Right.
>
> Pick more if you like.
No need really, the evidence of athiest failure and the success of
theism is overwhelming.
All the free, open, progressive, scientifically literate, rights-based
secular democratic states have been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies, no atheist state has ever achieved a decent democracy!!
> The list goes on.
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
> The only thing more bizarre
.....
as EVERY atheist regime in history proves!
> I often wonder if they will be our salvation,
According to the atheist theory that babies, and any other entity
that can't formn a rational thought or belief, is an atheist,
our brains ARE our salvation, as over 98% of babies ABANDON ATHEISM
when they GROW UP, and develop a capacity for rational thought.
Bad luck for you atheists, eh?
> our eventual destruction.
seems likely!
B^D
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
To an agnostic atheists are just as weird and much more dangerous;
> Some of the things they believe in
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
# Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
# religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
> would be instantly recognized as being absurd.
every atheist regime in history has shown it to be;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
> Look at some of the really, really stupid things
<god...@fidemturbare.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
# Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
Re-defined by
# the New Atheists
# Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
# Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
#
#
# Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
#
# > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
# > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
#
# you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
# (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
>
> Wow.
Yeah! Not a single atheist took the atheists who believe that the
ONLY qualification to be an atheist is the inability to form a rational
belief, or thought, to task... 8^o
Thus the atheists believe that babies, simians, the brain dead comatose
and lumps of Dog Shit are all de facto atheists! B^D
Priceless!
And because of stupidity like that, most people think the Dog Shit
is the intellectual ELITE of atheism!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
> I'm always impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
what is really the most useless, ineffectual sub-branch of pointless
Nihilism.
And atheists simply cannot face the historical reality
that EVERY atheist state in history has been a totalitarian
tyranny, terrorising, torturing and killing over 80,000,000 people.. Far
more than ANY religion! 8^o
> Really?
One atheist admitted the death toll from atheist regimes could be as
high as 100,000,000;
# From: Kilmir <kil...@gmail.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: is religion really the answer? Not if the question is
# "What killed 60,000,000 in the last 100 years" - ATHEIST REGIMES DID
IT! 8^o
# Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
# Organization: http://groups.google.com
# Message-ID:
<042262dc-a546-4054...@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
# Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
#
#
#
http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2008/06/anonymous-wanted-body-count-total-so-he.html
#
# atheists have caused almost a whopping 100 million deaths throughout
# world history.
> That sounds OK to you?
high, but I prefer to use the more conservative estimates of serious
historians.
> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship
would be challenged to achieve.. they, like every atheist state ever
to exist, are a catastrophic cluster fuck, so dysfunctional the UN can't
even place them on the Human Development Index, .. their people have to
EAT GRASS during the frequent famines to try and stay alive!!!
North Korea is such a twisted propaganda nightmare they INVENTED
a a fake state 'religion', Juche, so they could pretend 'See, we don't
ban ALL religion, we allow this fraud!" B^D
> It is such an obvious fable
insane atheist fanatics from criticism! B^p
it's hard to see how even the most committed atheist could take it
seriously.
Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
Which is EXACTLY what atheist regimes do to dissidents! 8^o
Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
> Here's another good one:
# claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
# was Re: Atheist infanticide -
# "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
# alt.politics.republicans
# Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
Bukakke was challenged for EVIDENCE supporting the claim that atheist
infanticide was justified because the child was 'a despot' and has
kept running EVER SINCE!
> there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
in a futile attempt to disguise their brutal murder of an
annocent child.
Runaway chicken!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
> don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
but I like to expose them for the liars and frauds they are.
And peoiple can see how they make themselves complicit
in the crimes against humanity committed by EVERY atheist
state in history! B^[
Why do atheists defend such evil and oppose all that is good;
# From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Merry Christmas
# Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
# Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
#
# Hello Folks;
#
# I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
# and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
#
# Cheers,
# John
# From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
# Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
# Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
#
# "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
> Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus.
on the world than all the atheists put together! B^D
> You'd think that a carpenter,
> traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
> a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY
to cause an expotential explosion of converts, including such
temporal powers as Rome, and such hard cases as the Vikings.
Clearly even the toughest, men who couldn't be co-erced, were
won over by a superior world-view, and poor old atheism has NEVER
achieved popular acceptance anywhere.. it has ALWAYS been IMPOSED
by atheist tyrants and ALWAYS FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY.
Clearly atheist correlates with tyranny, and religions, including gentle
Jesus, have inspired all the great and enduring civilisations;
# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
> Right.
>
> Pick more if you like.
theism is overwhelming.
All the free, open, progressive, scientifically literate, rights-based
secular democratic states have been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
societies, no atheist state has ever achieved a decent democracy!!
> The list goes on.
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
> The only thing more bizarre
> is their willingness to kill
> Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things.
Actually it is the FAILURE of atheists to USE THEIRS which is the danger,
as EVERY atheist regime in history proves!
> I often wonder if they will be our salvation,
that can't formn a rational thought or belief, is an atheist,
our brains ARE our salvation, as over 98% of babies ABANDON ATHEISM
when they GROW UP, and develop a capacity for rational thought.
Bad luck for you atheists, eh?
> our eventual destruction.
seems likely!
B^D
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
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"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
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DVH
Feb 15, 2013, 2:55:13 AM2/15/13
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On 15/02/2013 07:34, fasgnadh wrote:
> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
Think of them as belonging to a cult, just like atheists.
> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
I'd also recommend not seeing them as a group. There are so many types
of theists you can't put them all into one box.
This will be difficult for many atheists, who are into
'self-identification' as 'things'.
eg 'I am an atheist'.
Now *that's* a curious thing to say!
What does it mean, to call yourself a 'thing' like that? It seems awful
introspective, to the point of self-centredness.
The world isn't interested in the thing you are. The world is interested
in your actions.
What you *do* has meaning. What you *claim to be* is uninteresting.
If an atheist becomes a christian in the forest, does anybody notice?
Yap
Feb 15, 2013, 3:06:38 AM2/15/13
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On Feb 15, 1:34 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>
> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
> are true:
>
> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
It certainly sounds OK to those believers with tiny brains.
> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>
> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
> are true:
>
> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
>
> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
> see how far you get.
by hand?
And the stupid thing is, there was this Holland idiot who build a
similar boat just to prove he is an idiot (completed last year)
?
>
> If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
> rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
> came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
> ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
> most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
> commitment is to a mental institution.
First of all, the amount of water to cover the high mountain in Middle-
> If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
> rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
> came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
> ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
> most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
> commitment is to a mental institution.
east is mind boggling.
Then, you find Noah had the ability to go round the world to search
for two of a kind?
He might have magic broom and was able to command those animals to
come to him?
>
> Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
> IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
> not one shred of evidence to support it. But, it's very important, so,
> don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
use his magic against the enemy?
But this does not prevent our brain dead believers from swallowing the
story whole heartedly.
>
> Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus. You'd think
> that a carpenter, traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
> a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY who had the
> literacy to write a contemporary narrative. But no, the stories got
> written about 100 years after the fact, and we are to accept them as
> historically accurate. Right.
>
> Pick more if you like. The Garden of Eden? (Explain how all of humankind
> could have come from a single pair of ancestors, about 6,000 years ago).
> Tower of Babel? (Why was God worried about the Tower, when we can reach
> much higher into the Heavens today?)
And Chinese and Indian record of their own civilization were more than
5000 years.
They were the most populated people on earth then, and the Whites were
not even 10, 12 generations old?
>
> The list goes on.
And more bizarre .........
>
> The only thing more bizarre about the theist brain is their willingness to
> kill infidels and blasphemers, who insist on asking the obvious questions.
> Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things. I often wonder if
> they will be our salvation, or our eventual destruction.
skye...@yahoo.com
Feb 15, 2013, 3:10:34 AM2/15/13
to
children, by their parents; (2) many of them are afraid of dying.
They'll buy into *anything* not to have to die and be dead.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
skye...@yahoo.com
Feb 15, 2013, 3:13:53 AM2/15/13
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On Feb 14, 10:47 pm, Uncle Vic <so...@noway.com> wrote:
nights; the boat, supposedly, floated for a year. Imagine the bailing
*that* required.
> MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote innews:pan.2013.02.14....@nowhere.invalid:
>
>
>
> > I saw a calculation once that determined how much heat would be
> > released if the required amount of water vapor condensed into liquid
> > water at the rate needed to flood the world in 40 days. It was a LOT.
> > I suppose you could get around that by supposing that the water
> > wasn't actually a vapor, but a fine mist suspended in the atmosphere.
> > I don't think there is a significant amount of energy released when
> > tiny water droplets coalesce into large drops. However, water at sea
> > level will be warmer than water high in the atmosphere, due to the
> > difference in potential energy, and the conversion of kinetic energy
> > to heat when the rain drop hits the ground, and stops falling.
>
> It seems to me there'd be a lot more bailing duty than Noah's family could
> handle 24/7 for 40 days. Maybe they trained the dinosaurs to do it.
>
> Don't hit me.
Vic, the way the story goes is that it *rained* for 40 days and 40
>
>
>
> > I saw a calculation once that determined how much heat would be
> > released if the required amount of water vapor condensed into liquid
> > water at the rate needed to flood the world in 40 days. It was a LOT.
> > I suppose you could get around that by supposing that the water
> > wasn't actually a vapor, but a fine mist suspended in the atmosphere.
> > I don't think there is a significant amount of energy released when
> > tiny water droplets coalesce into large drops. However, water at sea
> > level will be warmer than water high in the atmosphere, due to the
> > difference in potential energy, and the conversion of kinetic energy
> > to heat when the rain drop hits the ground, and stops falling.
>
> It seems to me there'd be a lot more bailing duty than Noah's family could
> handle 24/7 for 40 days. Maybe they trained the dinosaurs to do it.
>
> Don't hit me.
nights; the boat, supposedly, floated for a year. Imagine the bailing
*that* required.
skye...@yahoo.com
Feb 15, 2013, 3:14:53 AM2/15/13
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On Feb 14, 11:59 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> A liberal CNN reporter asked Doctor Nye the Science Guy if the asteroid
> heading towards the earth was caused by global warming.
>
> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rnr/3608381914.html
What makes you characterize the CNN reporter as "liberal"? Methinks
> A liberal CNN reporter asked Doctor Nye the Science Guy if the asteroid
> heading towards the earth was caused by global warming.
>
> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rnr/3608381914.html
you're just casting aspersions for no good reason.
AC
Feb 15, 2013, 4:04:20 AM2/15/13
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DVH wrote:
> On 15/02/2013 07:34, fasgnadh wrote:
>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
>
> Think of them as belonging to a cult, just like atheists.
Like another group of people who don't believe in fairies? Don't believe
> On 15/02/2013 07:34, fasgnadh wrote:
>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
>
> Think of them as belonging to a cult, just like atheists.
in father christmas, dont believe in goblins, don't believe in ghosts,
don't believe in.......
"Atheist" is religious construct designed merely to prop up theism.
>
> I'd also recommend not seeing them as a group. There are so many types
> of theists you can't put them all into one box.
>
> This will be difficult for many atheists, who are into
> 'self-identification' as 'things'.
>
> eg 'I am an atheist'.
nonsense is the same as believing nonsense. Its not.
>
> Now *that's* a curious thing to say!
>
> What does it mean, to call yourself a 'thing' like that? It seems awful
> introspective, to the point of self-centredness.
the point. People theists claim as atheists don't say that at all. They
reject the term out right.
>
> The world isn't interested in the thing you are. The world is interested
> in your actions.
what ever. Most "do" nothing but judge others and prop up corrupt and
corrupting institutions.
>
> What you *do* has meaning. What you *claim to be* is uninteresting.
its poor attempts at intellectuality and logical argument.
>
> If an atheist becomes a christian in the forest, does anybody notice?
--
AC
Jeanne Douglas
Feb 15, 2013, 4:45:16 AM2/15/13
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In article <Jason-14021...@66.53.222.191>,
CNN isn't liberal.
And even if the reporter is, what the hell does his political leaning
have to do with our earth-grazer asteroid?
I've gotta say, if a reporter actually asked such a submoronic question,
he or she deserves to be fired and drummed out of the field of
journalism for life.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
And even if the reporter is, what the hell does his political leaning
have to do with our earth-grazer asteroid?
I've gotta say, if a reporter actually asked such a submoronic question,
he or she deserves to be fired and drummed out of the field of
journalism for life.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Dakota
Feb 15, 2013, 5:16:57 AM2/15/13
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On 2/14/2013 1:19 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>>
>> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>> are true:
>>
>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
>>
>> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>> see how far you get.
>
Let's not forget that Noah was 600 years old when he started on the
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>>
>> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>> are true:
>>
>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
>>
>> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>> see how far you get.
>
ark project.
I sure hope I'm in good enough shape to undertake a project like that
when I'm 600.
Joe Bruno
Feb 15, 2013, 5:33:05 AM2/15/13
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On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:49:47 PM UTC-8, Uncle Vic wrote:
> Joe Bruno wrote in
> Joe Bruno wrote in
>
> news:a183fb31-961b-4400...@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that all
>
> > theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.
>
>
>
> So how do you take the Flood story? Is it a metaphor? What does it mean?
>
> What kind of picture does it paint of your god in your mind?
http://www.jewishhistory.org/the-great-flood/
> news:a183fb31-961b-4400...@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that all
>
> > theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.
>
>
>
> So how do you take the Flood story? Is it a metaphor? What does it mean?
>
> What kind of picture does it paint of your god in your mind?
Joe Bruno
Feb 15, 2013, 5:51:12 AM2/15/13
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Joe Bruno
Feb 15, 2013, 5:54:27 AM2/15/13
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On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
Yap
Feb 15, 2013, 6:52:42 AM2/15/13
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Read through again and refute him with logic and reasons !
I thought that you are maintaining that bible should not be read
literally ? Change of mind, perhaps.
>
> http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
Joe Bruno
Feb 15, 2013, 7:28:49 AM2/15/13
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Here it is again:
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
Ken
Feb 15, 2013, 10:40:17 AM2/15/13
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On Feb 15, 12:14 am, "skyey...@yahoo.com" <skyey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 11:59 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > A liberal CNN reporter asked Doctor Nye the Science Guy if the asteroid
> > heading towards the earth was caused by global warming.
>
> >http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rnr/3608381914.html
>
> What makes you characterize the CNN reporter as "liberal"? Methinks
> you're just casting aspersions for no good reason.
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
If someone doesn't kowtow to Jason's insane beliefs, then that person
> On Feb 14, 11:59 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > A liberal CNN reporter asked Doctor Nye the Science Guy if the asteroid
> > heading towards the earth was caused by global warming.
>
> >http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/rnr/3608381914.html
>
> What makes you characterize the CNN reporter as "liberal"? Methinks
> you're just casting aspersions for no good reason.
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
must be a liberal!
Uncle Vic
Feb 15, 2013, 12:09:24 PM2/15/13
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Joe Bruno <atan...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f03dfbdf-bf6d-4174...@googlegroups.com:
Joe Bruno
Feb 15, 2013, 12:13:09 PM2/15/13
to
On Friday, February 15, 2013 9:09:24 AM UTC-8, Uncle Vic wrote:
> Joe Bruno <atan...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> news:f03dfbdf-bf6d-4174...@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:49:47 PM UTC-8, Uncle Vic wrote:
>
> >> Joe Bruno wrote in
>
> >>
>
> >> news:a183fb31-961b-4400...@googlegroups.com:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that
>
> >> > all
>
> >>
>
> >> > theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> So how do you take the Flood story? Is it a metaphor? What does it
>
> >> mean?
>
> >>
>
> >> What kind of picture does it paint of your god in your mind?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://www.jewishhistory.org/the-great-flood/
>
> >
>
>
>
> But what is your take?
I don't have my own on this issue.In some cases I do, but not this one.
> Joe Bruno <atan...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> news:f03dfbdf-bf6d-4174...@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:49:47 PM UTC-8, Uncle Vic wrote:
>
> >> Joe Bruno wrote in
>
> >>
>
> >> news:a183fb31-961b-4400...@googlegroups.com:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> > You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that
>
> >> > all
>
> >>
>
> >> > theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> So how do you take the Flood story? Is it a metaphor? What does it
>
> >> mean?
>
> >>
>
> >> What kind of picture does it paint of your god in your mind?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://www.jewishhistory.org/the-great-flood/
>
> >
>
>
>
> But what is your take?
>
>
>
> --
>
Malte Runz
Feb 15, 2013, 3:41:06 PM2/15/13
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"Joe Bruno" skrev i meddelelsen
news:330fdd93-8874-4fef...@googlegroups.com...
> > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
> >
> > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
> >
> > not one shred of evidence to support it.
>
> That's a lie:
>
> http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
Let's have a look at the evidence presented here.
"Are the sceptics right? They are looking at the right evidence, but at the
wrong time. Dating in the history of Egypt and Palestine is based on a
couple of assumptions that professors have handed down over the decades.
First, they assume the Exodus took place, not when the Bible says it did,
around 1450-1447 BC ..."
I'm sure the Bible doesn't say 'The exodus took place in the years around
1450-1447 BC'. How do you know that that is what "the Bible says it did"?
"... but around 1300 BC. The Bible says the Hebrews built the city of
Ramesses and that existed around the time of Ramses II who is dated around
1290. There is no evidence of Hebrews or an Exodus at that time."
And that's the truth!
"What if, however, the Hebrews built the city of Avaris, which existed
before the city of Ramesses?"
Hullo! The Bible says the Hebrews build the city of Ramesses and not Avaris.
The Bible could be right about one thing, if it is wrong about some other
things. Is that how it goes?
"Also, what if the Egyptian chronology itself has been wrongly focused?
...
In 1991 a group led by Peter James published a book called Centuries of
Darkness. Four years later British archaeologist David Rohl published A Test
of Time, marketed in America as Pharaohs and Kings. Both of these books
argue, convincingly in my opinion, that the traditional dating of much of
ancient history before 1000 BC in most history books is flawed."
'Don't trust nobody, son!'
"‘Before Moses, the Bible records that the Israelites were enslaved by their
Egyptian hosts (Exodus 1:8-14). In the Brooklyn Museum (p.276, fig. 310)
resides a papyrus scroll numbered Brooklyn 35:1446 which was acquired in the
late 19th century by Charles Wilbour. This dates to the reign of Sobekhotep
III, the predecessor of Neferhotep I and so the pharaoh who reigned one
generation before Moses. ..."
But what if the Egyptian chronology itself has been wrongly focused? And
we've just established that much of the dating of ancient history is flawed.
"This papyrus is a decree by the pharaoh for a transfer of slaves. Of the 95
names of slaves mentioned in the letter, 50% are Semitic in origin. What is
more, it lists the names of these slaves in the original Semitic language
and then adds the Egyptian name each had been assigned, which is something
the Bible records the Egyptians as doing, cf. Joseph’s name given to him by
pharaoh (Genesis 41:45). Some of the Semitic names are biblical and
include:- Menahem, Issachar, Asher, and Shiprah (cf. Exodus 1:15-21)."
Great. 47,5 Semitic names on a papyrus that might be from the right period.
And further down some very indirect evidence that might support parts of the
exodus story.
To summarize, you've got a couple of what ifs, a bit of speculation
concerning some statistical irregularities and your strongest argument is
that we can't really rely on anything we think we know.
--
Malte Runz
news:330fdd93-8874-4fef...@googlegroups.com...
>
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
(snip)
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
> > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
> >
> > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
> >
> > not one shred of evidence to support it.
>
> That's a lie:
>
> http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
"Are the sceptics right? They are looking at the right evidence, but at the
wrong time. Dating in the history of Egypt and Palestine is based on a
couple of assumptions that professors have handed down over the decades.
First, they assume the Exodus took place, not when the Bible says it did,
around 1450-1447 BC ..."
I'm sure the Bible doesn't say 'The exodus took place in the years around
1450-1447 BC'. How do you know that that is what "the Bible says it did"?
"... but around 1300 BC. The Bible says the Hebrews built the city of
Ramesses and that existed around the time of Ramses II who is dated around
1290. There is no evidence of Hebrews or an Exodus at that time."
And that's the truth!
"What if, however, the Hebrews built the city of Avaris, which existed
before the city of Ramesses?"
Hullo! The Bible says the Hebrews build the city of Ramesses and not Avaris.
The Bible could be right about one thing, if it is wrong about some other
things. Is that how it goes?
"Also, what if the Egyptian chronology itself has been wrongly focused?
...
In 1991 a group led by Peter James published a book called Centuries of
Darkness. Four years later British archaeologist David Rohl published A Test
of Time, marketed in America as Pharaohs and Kings. Both of these books
argue, convincingly in my opinion, that the traditional dating of much of
ancient history before 1000 BC in most history books is flawed."
'Don't trust nobody, son!'
"‘Before Moses, the Bible records that the Israelites were enslaved by their
Egyptian hosts (Exodus 1:8-14). In the Brooklyn Museum (p.276, fig. 310)
resides a papyrus scroll numbered Brooklyn 35:1446 which was acquired in the
late 19th century by Charles Wilbour. This dates to the reign of Sobekhotep
III, the predecessor of Neferhotep I and so the pharaoh who reigned one
generation before Moses. ..."
But what if the Egyptian chronology itself has been wrongly focused? And
we've just established that much of the dating of ancient history is flawed.
"This papyrus is a decree by the pharaoh for a transfer of slaves. Of the 95
names of slaves mentioned in the letter, 50% are Semitic in origin. What is
more, it lists the names of these slaves in the original Semitic language
and then adds the Egyptian name each had been assigned, which is something
the Bible records the Egyptians as doing, cf. Joseph’s name given to him by
pharaoh (Genesis 41:45). Some of the Semitic names are biblical and
include:- Menahem, Issachar, Asher, and Shiprah (cf. Exodus 1:15-21)."
Great. 47,5 Semitic names on a papyrus that might be from the right period.
And further down some very indirect evidence that might support parts of the
exodus story.
To summarize, you've got a couple of what ifs, a bit of speculation
concerning some statistical irregularities and your strongest argument is
that we can't really rely on anything we think we know.
--
Malte Runz
Don Martin
Feb 15, 2013, 4:28:14 PM2/15/13
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:16:57 -0600, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:
>On 2/14/2013 1:19 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>>> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>>> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>>> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>>>
>>> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>>> are true:
>>>
>>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>>> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>>> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>>> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>>> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>>> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
>>>
>>> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>>> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>>> see how far you get.
>>
>Let's not forget that Noah was 600 years old when he started on the
>ark project.
>
>I sure hope I'm in good enough shape to undertake a project like that
>when I'm 600.
Do you have power tools?
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
wrote:
>On 2/14/2013 1:19 PM, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
>>> believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
>>> instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
>>> about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>>>
>>> Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
>>> are true:
>>>
>>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
>>> impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
>>> what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
>>> the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
>>> doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
>>> thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
>>>
>>> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
>>> super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
>>> see how far you get.
>>
>Let's not forget that Noah was 600 years old when he started on the
>ark project.
>
>I sure hope I'm in good enough shape to undertake a project like that
>when I'm 600.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Don Martin
Feb 15, 2013, 4:28:14 PM2/15/13
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:41:06 +0100, "Malte Runz"
<malte...@forgititl.dk> wrote:
>"Joe Bruno" skrev i meddelelsen
>news:330fdd93-8874-4fef...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
>> >
>> > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
>> >
>> > not one shred of evidence to support it.
>>
>> That's a lie:
>>
>> http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
>
>Let's have a look at the evidence presented here.
>
>"Are the sceptics right? They are looking at the right evidence, but at the
>wrong time. Dating in the history of Egypt and Palestine is based on a
>couple of assumptions that professors have handed down over the decades.
>First, they assume the Exodus took place, not when the Bible says it did,
>around 1450-1447 BC ..."
>
>I'm sure the Bible doesn't say 'The exodus took place in the years around
>1450-1447 BC'. How do you know that that is what "the Bible says it did"?
>
>
>"... but around 1300 BC. The Bible says the Hebrews built the city of
>Ramesses and that existed around the time of Ramses II who is dated around
>1290. There is no evidence of Hebrews or an Exodus at that time."
Had a great number of Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years,
<malte...@forgititl.dk> wrote:
>"Joe Bruno" skrev i meddelelsen
>news:330fdd93-8874-4fef...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
>> >
>> > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
>> >
>> > not one shred of evidence to support it.
>>
>> That's a lie:
>>
>> http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
>
>Let's have a look at the evidence presented here.
>
>"Are the sceptics right? They are looking at the right evidence, but at the
>wrong time. Dating in the history of Egypt and Palestine is based on a
>couple of assumptions that professors have handed down over the decades.
>First, they assume the Exodus took place, not when the Bible says it did,
>around 1450-1447 BC ..."
>
>I'm sure the Bible doesn't say 'The exodus took place in the years around
>1450-1447 BC'. How do you know that that is what "the Bible says it did"?
>
>
>"... but around 1300 BC. The Bible says the Hebrews built the city of
>Ramesses and that existed around the time of Ramses II who is dated around
>1290. There is no evidence of Hebrews or an Exodus at that time."
they would have dropped an even greater number of turds along the way.
Given the climatic conditions of deserts, a significant proportion of
those turds would have become coprolites. To a coprolite, a couple of
hundred years makes very little difference. Neither do those
centuries make any difference to the absence of coprolites.
aaa
Feb 15, 2013, 5:14:42 PM2/15/13
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fasgnadh wrote:
Atheism is the only logical position to take.
If you believe in a religion, you have so many to choose from, so it is a long shot to guess the correct religion.
If God actually existed and cared about humans, then there would be far fewer type of religion.
But if you must believe in a religion, how about giving this church ago?
http://www.venganza.org/
Atheism is the only logical position to take.
If you believe in a religion, you have so many to choose from, so it is a long shot to guess the correct religion.
If God actually existed and cared about humans, then there would be far fewer type of religion.
But if you must believe in a religion, how about giving this church ago?
http://www.venganza.org/
aaa
Feb 15, 2013, 5:16:41 PM2/15/13
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Correction to last post
> fasgnadh wrote:
> ............................
> snipped for brevity
> ............................
> fasgnadh wrote:
> ............................
> snipped for brevity
> ............................
DVH
Feb 15, 2013, 5:29:07 PM2/15/13
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On 15/02/2013 22:14, aaa wrote:
> fasgnadh wrote:
>
> Atheism is the only logical position to take.
ROTFL.
> fasgnadh wrote:
>
> Atheism is the only logical position to take.
DVH
Feb 15, 2013, 5:42:41 PM2/15/13
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On 15/02/2013 09:04, AC wrote:
> DVH wrote:
>> On 15/02/2013 07:34, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
>>
>> Think of them as belonging to a cult, just like atheists.
>
> Like another group of people who don't believe in fairies? Don't believe
> in father christmas, dont believe in goblins, don't believe in ghosts,
> don't believe in.......
Cults often assembe around material things... and imaginary things.
> DVH wrote:
>> On 15/02/2013 07:34, fasgnadh wrote:
>>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
>>
>> Think of them as belonging to a cult, just like atheists.
>
> Like another group of people who don't believe in fairies? Don't believe
> in father christmas, dont believe in goblins, don't believe in ghosts,
> don't believe in.......
>
> "Atheist" is religious construct designed merely to prop up theism.
>
>
>>
>> I'd also recommend not seeing them as a group. There are so many types
>> of theists you can't put them all into one box.
>
> Rubbish. The group is "theists".
>
>>
>> This will be difficult for many atheists, who are into
>> 'self-identification' as 'things'.
>>
>> eg 'I am an atheist'.
>
> No, again, thats a label theists use to try to suggests not believing in
> nonsense is the same as believing nonsense. Its not.
>
>>
>> Now *that's* a curious thing to say!
>>
>> What does it mean, to call yourself a 'thing' like that? It seems awful
>> introspective, to the point of self-centredness.
>
>
> It would be is atheists said that.
> They dont, theists say it to obscure
> the point. People theists claim as atheists don't say that at all. They
> reject the term out right.
>
>>
>> The world isn't interested in the thing you are. The world is interested
>> in your actions.
>
> Tell theists that. They go to church and think that's being christian or
> what ever. Most "do" nothing but judge others and prop up corrupt and
> corrupting institutions.
yaputya
Feb 15, 2013, 5:59:56 PM2/15/13
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"aaa" <an...@aol.com> wrote in message news:mryTs.174342$T25.1...@fx13.fr7...
Why is that fasy? Are you really a closet deist? Why not a word against theists?
Why doesn't fasy ask instead 'Why do theists believe weird things?' ?
You will find thousand of weird things in religions, yet fasy ignores that.......
(Like what foods you can eat, what day to pray etc.. such things cause religious
believers to kill each other. Sunnis and Shiites kill each other every day over such
minor differences in belief, superstition etc.)
So is fasy *really* an agnostic, or is he just pretending to be one so he can avoid
answering questions about the absurditsy of religious belief and theism in general?
Come on fasy, admit religions are mostly incompatible with each other (otherwise they
would be the same religion), and thus theism is seriously flawed logically.
(Despite fasys bleatings about historical atheist state deaths, if you you look at what
is happening *NOW* it is obvious that religious beliefs are causing far more deaths
in the world than the few *atheist* states. Fasy should stop living in the past and look
at the real world today.)
Smiler
Feb 15, 2013, 9:00:14 PM2/15/13
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--
Smiler,
The godless one. a.a.# 2279
All gods are tailored to order. They're made to
exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.
Christopher A. Lee
Feb 15, 2013, 9:03:33 PM2/15/13
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:00:14 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
You'll have to gopher it.
Smiler
Feb 15, 2013, 9:11:03 PM2/15/13
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:28:14 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
time to be constipated...
Christopher A. Lee
Feb 15, 2013, 9:15:06 PM2/15/13
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:11:03 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
Not just coprolites but anything else - the remains of cooking fires,
broken pots, bones from bodies or butchered animals, other debris.
In short, nothing.
broken pots, bones from bodies or butchered animals, other debris.
In short, nothing.
Father Haskell
Feb 15, 2013, 9:27:55 PM2/15/13
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JNugent
Feb 15, 2013, 9:30:29 PM2/15/13
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I reckon it must be for a bet.
hypatiab7
Feb 15, 2013, 9:59:34 PM2/15/13
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On Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:20:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:36:41 AM UTC-8, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason
> > <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >good and loving.
>
> > Which they resolve by redefining "good" and "loving" as what it did
> > according to the Bible.
>
> EVIDENCE?
You can't figure that out on your own, Arthur? I guess you're
unable to think beyond whatever you were taught as a helpless
child. That's how religion works.
As ever, thanks for the spare question marks. Since you never
answer our questions, we use them on you to show what a coward
you are. When will you stop running away? When will you tell
the truth about anything? When will you stop believing that
you are God? When will you stop lying about atheists in general?
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:36:41 AM UTC-8, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason
> > <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
>
> > >> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
> > >> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
> > >> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
> > >> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
> > >> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
> > >> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
> > >> to you?
>
> > >Let's not forget, this is the dude held to be the standard of what is
>
> > >> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
> > >> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
> > >> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
> > >> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
> > >> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
> > >> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
> > >> to you?
>
> > >good and loving.
>
> > Which they resolve by redefining "good" and "loving" as what it did
> > according to the Bible.
>
> EVIDENCE?
You can't figure that out on your own, Arthur? I guess you're
unable to think beyond whatever you were taught as a helpless
child. That's how religion works.
As ever, thanks for the spare question marks. Since you never
answer our questions, we use them on you to show what a coward
you are. When will you stop running away? When will you tell
the truth about anything? When will you stop believing that
you are God? When will you stop lying about atheists in general?
hypatiab7
Feb 15, 2013, 10:29:20 PM2/15/13
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On Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:45:52 PM UTC-5, Joe Bruno wrote:
are lying, you continue to lie. You are SO desperate.
Arthur probably doesn't believe in Cro-Magnon Man.
You know damned well that he meant the ship Noah and his sons built
had to be big to even hold just the animals they knew about.
good example of sanity.
being no evidence ever found in the desert that anyone passed by in
any part at that time period. I wonder if Arthur is a Ron Wyatt fan.
Does he believe that there are chariot parts in the Red Sea?
or whatever form of the name was in use at that time in that area. Not
one of them can be accepted as truth about JC.
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
>
> > To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
> > believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
> > instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
> > about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
>
> > To an atheist, theists are a curious group. Some of the things they
> > believe in, if stripped of their theological implications, would be
> > instantly recognized as being absurd. However, if there's a Bible story
> > about it, nothing is too bizarre to be believed.
> You make that same idiotic assumption of the ignorant atheist-that all theists are fundamentalists and take the bible literally.Fundies are a small minority.As a matter of fact, I have posted material which proves that most Churches accept evolution.
Repeating the same lie about atheists saying that all theists are fundamentalists, Arthur? Yes, you are. Even when you know that you
are lying, you continue to lie. You are SO desperate.
>
> > Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
> > are true:
>
> > Look at some of the really, really stupid things that some theists insist
> > are true:
>
> > The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story is
> > impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
> > what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
> > the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
> > doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
> > thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
> > impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always impressed by
> > what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place. The population of
> > the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than 10,000,000 people. He
> > doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He kills every single living
> > thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK to you?
> As usual, you make silly assumptions.
>
> Where is your evidence of the Earth's population at the time of the flood? How did you pick 4000BC? Human have been on Earth more than 30,000 years?
>
Arthur probably doesn't believe in Cro-Magnon Man.
>
> According to the story God brought the flood because people had become evil not because "things were not turning out".
>
> According to the story God brought the flood because people had become evil not because "things were not turning out".
>
> > Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship the size of a
> > super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
> > see how far you get.
>
> > super-tanker, using only hand tools. Go ahead and try it yourself, and
> > see how far you get.
>
> The ark's dimensions were no where near the size of a supertanker.
> Those dimensions are listed in Genesis.Why must you lie about it?
Stop being stupid, Arthur, though I know that is difficult to you.
> Those dimensions are listed in Genesis.Why must you lie about it?
You know damned well that he meant the ship Noah and his sons built
had to be big to even hold just the animals they knew about.
>
> > If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
> > rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
> > came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
> > ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
> > most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
> > commitment is to a mental institution.
>
> > If you want to keep going, you can calculate how hard it would have to
> > rain to cover all the land with water in 40 days, explain where the water
> > came from/went to, explain the problems of getting animals into/out of the
> > ark, etc, etc. It is such an obvious fable, it's hard to see how even the
> > most committed theists could take it seriously. Unless, of course, his
> > commitment is to a mental institution.
>
> AHHH! Theists frighten you so much that you want them locked up?
> That's what the Soviets in the USSR used to do to dissidents.
> Shall I call you"comrade"?
They would be examined for sanity first, of course. You are not a
> That's what the Soviets in the USSR used to do to dissidents.
> Shall I call you"comrade"?
good example of sanity.
>
> YOu want religious groups locked up because of their beliefs?
> Wow! Hitler and Stalin would heartedly approve.
> Funny. You atheists always seem to hide behind your constitutional rights
> when threatened by your enemies. Now, you want to tear up the first amendment?Remember it says:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
You're exaggerating again. Nothing new.
> YOu want religious groups locked up because of their beliefs?
> Wow! Hitler and Stalin would heartedly approve.
> Funny. You atheists always seem to hide behind your constitutional rights
> when threatened by your enemies. Now, you want to tear up the first amendment?Remember it says:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
>
> > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
> > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
> > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
> > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
> > not one shred of evidence to support it. But, it's very important, so,
> > don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
Like the Red Sea being a mistranslation of the Reed Sea. And, there
> > don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
being no evidence ever found in the desert that anyone passed by in
any part at that time period. I wonder if Arthur is a Ron Wyatt fan.
Does he believe that there are chariot parts in the Red Sea?
>
> > Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus. You'd think
> > that a carpenter, traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
> > a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY who had the
> > literacy to write a contemporary narrative. But no, the stories got
> > written about 100 years after the fact, and we are to accept them as
> > historically accurate. Right.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
All the stories supposedly written about Jesus have been shown to be either interpolations (Josephus) or about anyone who could have been named Jesus
> > Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus. You'd think
> > that a carpenter, traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
> > a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY who had the
> > literacy to write a contemporary narrative. But no, the stories got
> > written about 100 years after the fact, and we are to accept them as
> > historically accurate. Right.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
or whatever form of the name was in use at that time in that area. Not
one of them can be accepted as truth about JC.
Olrik
Feb 16, 2013, 12:19:38 AM2/16/13
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Le 2013-02-15 17:29, DVH a écrit :
> On 15/02/2013 22:14, aaa wrote:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> Atheism is the only logical position to take.
>
> ROTFL.
"ROTFL" all you want, he's right. Humans invented so many «gods», it's
> On 15/02/2013 22:14, aaa wrote:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> Atheism is the only logical position to take.
>
> ROTFL.
not even funny.
I laugh at your «god» the same way you laugh at others'.
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 12:23:47 AM2/16/13
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atheist sockpuppte yaputya snips, runs from facts and lies:
<lets see what the atheists don't want you to read - UNSNIP>
>>> Some of the things they believe in
>>
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
>> Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
>> the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
>> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> # Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
>> #
>> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
>> # <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #
>> # >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> #
>> # It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
>> # The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> # Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>> #
>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
>> # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>> # incremental evolution."'
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism
>>
>>
>> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
>> #
>> #
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>> every atheist regime in history has shown it to be;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>> <god...@fidemturbare.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
>> # Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
>> Re-defined by
>> # the New Atheists
>> # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
>> # Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
>> #
>> #
>> # Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
>> #
>> # > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
>> # > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
>> #
>> # you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
>> # (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>
>> Yeah! Not a single atheist took the atheists who believe that the
>> ONLY qualification to be an atheist is the inability to form a rational
>> belief, or thought, to task... 8^o
>>
>> Thus the atheists believe that babies, simians, the brain dead comatose
>> and lumps of Dog Shit are all de facto atheists! B^D
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>> And because of stupidity like that, most people think the Dog Shit
>> is the intellectual ELITE of atheism!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>> what is really the most useless, ineffectual sub-branch of pointless
>> Nihilism.
>>
>> And atheists simply cannot face the historical reality
>> that EVERY atheist state in history has been a totalitarian
>> tyranny, terrorising, torturing and killing over 80,000,000 people.. Far
>> more than ANY religion! 8^o
>>
>> > Really?
>>
>> One atheist admitted the death toll from atheist regimes could be as
>> high as 100,000,000;
>>
>> # From: Kilmir <kil...@gmail.com>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.usenet.kooks
>> # Subject: Re: is religion really the answer? Not if the question is
>> # "What killed 60,000,000 in the last 100 years" - ATHEIST REGIMES DID
>> IT! 8^o
>> # Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
>> # Organization: http://groups.google.com
>> # Message-ID:
>> <042262dc-a546-4054...@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
>> # Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
>> #
>> #
>> #
>> http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2008/06/anonymous-wanted-body-count-total-so-he.html
>>
>> #
>> # atheists have caused almost a whopping 100 million deaths throughout
>> # world history.
>> high, but I prefer to use the more conservative estimates of serious
>> historians.
position and that annorys fundie atheists AND fundie theists who can't
answer valid criticism.
All you do is snip the facts and run away from the uncomfortable truths
which you can't refute, you merely lie and slander the messenger:
> yet he only ever attack atheists.
Liar, I am on the record attacking fundamentalists, Crusaders,
witch burners, the Borgia Popes, paedophile priests, the church
authorities who protected them and, before you had ever heard of them,
the Taliban;
# Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:30:30 +1000
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com>
# Subject: Holdem.Down Admits Church Coverup of paedophiles
# will continue.. for FINANCIAL REASONS! B^p
# Re: Why dont the NSW police arrest the Pope?
# Message-ID: <487b1c85$0$13949$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>
------------
# Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:39:51 +1000
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com>
# Subject: Pell may reopen sex-abuse case
# WAS Re: Popes Sydney World Youth Day marred in sexual
# and political controversy
# Message-ID: <4875aeac$0$17510$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>
#
# If a known paedophile is given protection and succor
# by the Church then they are accomplices!
#
# An organization which simply FORGIVES any sin, rather than
# opposing it, ignores Christ who turned over the tables of the
# moneylenders in the temple: "Blessed are those who Hunger and
# Thirst for Justice"
#
# Well, the Devil wears Prada and the Pope...?
#
# ... a suit of legal armour crafted by Jesuits?
#
# ...mostly surrounding his heart and protecting his wallet?
#
# ---------
#
# Mark 9:42
#
# "And whosoever shall offend one of these
# little ones that believe in me, it is better
# for him that a millstone were hanged about
# his neck, and he were cast into the sea."
So I CONDEMN EVIL COMMITTED BY THEISTS or ATHEISTS.. the QUESTION IS:
Why do lying atheist tools try to avoid the valid criticisms
of ATHEIST TYRANNIES by snipping all the facts they can't deal with and
simply LYING about me!?
> Weird, eh???
No, it's just typical of atheist PROPAGANDA, ..telling the Big Lie,
which has been a feature of atheism all through history.
I was opposing the Taliban before any of you were even
talking about them;
Lets see anything from ANY of you lying slanderers criticising the
Taliban before 9/11!
# Subject: Taliban epidemic faces Cholera epidemic
# Date: 1999/07/18
# Message-ID: <37909470...@my-deja.com>#1/1
#
# "Afghanistan's ruling Taliban government has made an
# urgent plea to the international community for medical
# supplies to help fight a large-scale outbreak of cholera."
# - [The Age 5/7/99]
#
# This a government where an extreme fundamentalism has decreed
# that females may not be educated in public institutes.
#
# And because they may not be educated, they cannot become doctors.
#
# And of course, no woman could be allowed to attend a male doctor...!
#
# This is not Islam!
#
# This is patriarchal political madness dressed up in the
# terminology of religion.
Lets see any of the current crop of Climb-on-the-bandwagon
Islamophobes and bigots who were providing accurate critical
assessments of Taliban shitpigs in Usenet as early as I was.
>>
>>> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship
>>
>>
>> Sounds like something the last of the failed atheist regimes, Nth Korea
>> would be challenged to achieve.. they, like every atheist state ever
>> to exist, are a catastrophic cluster fuck, so dysfunctional the UN can't
>> even place them on the Human Development Index, .. their people have to
>> EAT GRASS during the frequent famines to try and stay alive!!!
>>
>> North Korea is such a twisted propaganda nightmare they INVENTED
>> a a fake state 'religion', Juche, so they could pretend 'See, we don't
>> ban ALL religion, we allow this fraud!" B^D
>> insane atheist fanatics from criticism! B^p
>>
>>
>> it's hard to see how even the most committed atheist could take it
committed in the name of atheism ALWAYS want to CHANGE the subject! B^]
> You will find thousand of weird things in religions
But on balance, those religions also create schools, hospitals
and GREAT AND ENDURING CIVILISATIONS which more than balance the
negatives.. EVERY modern, free, open, progressive, secular state
has been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES like the USA, Canada,
Australia.. whereas ALL THAT ATHEIST STATES HAVE EVER PRODUCED IS
TERROR, TORTURE AND DEATH.. far more than ANY religion!
> fasy ignores that
No, clearly I can deal with the failings and accomplishments
of both religious and atheist societies, it's just that the EVIDENCE
shows the global civilisation built by religious societies is more
positive than the alternative, .. the atheist states which were ALL,
100% CLUSTER FUCKS.
You are the one who SNIPS and IGNORES the evidence. B^]
> Like what foods you can eat, what day to pray etc
Only you braindead atheist propagandists think that other people
share your insane concern about what others eat, or how they pray,
the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies have evolved secular democracise which
ALLOW such FREEDOMS and RIGHTS (which clearly upset you atheist tyrants)
and EVERY atheist regime has OPPRESSED those freedoms and rights.
Q.E.D.
I like the majority of believers and non-believers alike REJECT the
ATHEIST TYRANTS who want to shove their beliefs down our throats and
force us to discuss ONLY what they want to talk about and not the TRUTH
which they cannot refute and RUN AWAY FROM:
>>> Here's another good one:
>>
>>
>> # Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
>> # claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
>> # was Re: Atheist infanticide -
>> # "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
>> # uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
>> # alt.politics.republicans
>> # Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
>> # Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>>
>> Bukakke was challenged for EVIDENCE supporting the claim that atheist
>> infanticide was justified because the child was 'a despot' and has
>> kept running EVER SINCE!
>> in a futile attempt to disguise their brutal murder of an
>> annocent child.
>>
>> Runaway chicken!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
And this
>>
>>> don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
>>
>> Oh I know the atheists will never admit the truth,
>> but I like to expose them for the liars and frauds they are.
>>
>> And peoiple can see how they make themselves complicit
>> in the crimes against humanity committed by EVERY atheist
>> state in history! B^[
>>
>> Why do atheists defend such evil and oppose all that is good;
>>
>> # From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
>> #
>> # Hello Folks;
>> #
>> # I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
>> # and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
>> #
>> # Cheers,
>> # John
>>
>>
>>
>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>> on the world than all the atheists put together! B^D
>> to cause an expotential explosion of converts, including such
>> temporal powers as Rome, and such hard cases as the Vikings.
>>
>> Clearly even the toughest, men who couldn't be co-erced, were
>> won over by a superior world-view, and poor old atheism has NEVER
>> achieved popular acceptance anywhere.. it has ALWAYS been IMPOSED
>> by atheist tyrants and ALWAYS FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY.
>>
>> Clearly atheist correlates with tyranny, and religions, including gentle
>> Jesus, have inspired all the great and enduring civilisations;
>>
>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>> Pick more if you like.
>>
>> No need really, the evidence of athiest failure and the success of
>> theism is overwhelming.
>>
>> All the free, open, progressive, scientifically literate, rights-based
>> secular democratic states have been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies, no atheist state has ever achieved a decent democracy!!
>>
>>> The list goes on.
>>
>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
>> #
>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>> # religious freedom and practice."
>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>> # David Kowalewski,
>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>> #
>> #
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
>> #
>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>> # were often killed.
>> #
>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>> #
>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
>> #
>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>> # because of their religion."
>> #
>> http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> #
>> #
>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>> #
>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>
>>
>>> The only thing more bizarre
>> .....
>>> is their willingness to kill
>>
>> > Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things.
>>
>> Actually it is the FAILURE of atheists to USE THEIRS which is the danger,
>> as EVERY atheist regime in history proves!
>>
>> > I often wonder if they will be our salvation,
>>
>> According to the atheist theory that babies, and any other entity
>> that can't formn a rational thought or belief, is an atheist,
>> our brains ARE our salvation, as over 98% of babies ABANDON ATHEISM
>> when they GROW UP, and develop a capacity for rational thought.
>>
>> Bad luck for you atheists, eh?
>>
>>> our eventual destruction.
>>
>> seems likely!
>>
>> B^D
The point is, ATHEIST REGIMES have terrorised tortured and killed
over 80,000,000 people! FAR MORE THAN ANY RELIGION!!!
> Sunnis and Shiites kill each other every day
Not in Australia, or the USA, or Canada, or Indonesia or Europe.
ALL YOU PROPAGANDA TOOLS DO IS CHERRY PICK **ATYPICAL** DATA and
PRETEND TO YOURSELVES THAT IS SOMEHOW OUTWEIGHS THE FAR GREATER
DEATH TOLL CAUSED BY **YOU ATHEISTS**
B^D You are screwed by the simple FACTS of HISTORY, you stupid
atheist liar..
and that's why you snip EVERY PIECE OF FACTUAL EVIDENCE, present
NONE OF YOUR OWN, LIE and RUN AWAY FROM REALITY!
THAT is atheism, and THAT is why you are a catastrophic FAILURE! B^]
> So is fasy *really* an agnostic,
You really think that's what the thinking, ie non-atheist, reader wants
to know!? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
It wouldn't matter if I was a card carrying Rastafarian or as your other
bumber than dogshit atheist SpokesOrc, Olrik, claims, a closet atheist..
B^D
... the FACTS about atheist TYRANNIES would still remain!!!
> he can avoid answering questions about the absurditsy of
> religious belief and theism in general
I have no problem criticising the absurd elements of religion,
as the evidence above shows.. it is YOU ATHEISTS who snip and run from
*ANY* HISTORICAL CRITICISM OF ATHEISM IN THE REAL WORLD.. because,
by comparison, it has been FAR WORSE than ANY RELIGION!
Look, dipshit, it is NOT about me, you can't kill the truth by shooting
the messenger, atheism is responsible for untold evil,
far worse than any religion!
I'm an agnostic, so you atheists are shown TRYING to LIE about me being
a theist, or even an atheist because YOU CAN'T REFUTE THE TRUTH, so you
are only left with attacking the messenger.. But anyone of the millions
of other agnostics, or the theists, or even the small number of atheists
who can think for themselves, are equally capable of putting the FACTS
which DESTROY atheism, to you.
I see more and more of my arguments picked up by the theists, and all
you atheists can do is snip and run.. hell, you have lost almost all of
your heavy hitters from USENET! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
You even tried to revive a censored, atheist-only SHELTERED WORKSHOP
where you could post WITHOUT the nasty FACTS being put to you..
.. but, like EVERY atheist state.. IT FAILED!
> admit religions are mostly incompatible with each other
That's like saying "Admit Nations are incompatible with each other"
because in the past they had fights.
Sorry to tell you poor atheist dimwits, religions, like Nation States
EVOLVE.. and just as past wars encouraged humans to develop the
League of NAtions, and then The UN to mitigate conflict, the religions
have been in dialogue for the past coupe of centuries, and have
established a Parliament of World Religions where they TALK, not kill
each other.
Sure, nations still have wars, but less so, the period since WWII and
the UN have been REMARKABLY FREE of war, less people dying, less nations
involved.
So it is in religion. The Catholic Church and Islam have declared
they BOTH worship the same God, as do the Jews, Bahai, Sikhs, Protestant
denominations, Parsees.. etc!
In Australia, the USA, Canada, Europe, Indonesia, .. people of all
faiths and from all nations LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE AND HARMONY! 8^)
So you atheists, who have NEVER achieved that sort of PEACEFUL,
PROGRESSIVE, TOLERANT, MULTI-FAITH, MULTI-ETHNIC, UNITY-IN-DIVERSITY,
RULE-OF-LAW, RIGHTS-BASED, FREE, OPEN, SECULAR DEMOCRACY just have to
keep on whining like little bitches and selectively looking ONLY at
the problems to try and convince yourself that the global civilisation
constructed by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS peoples is worse than your FAILED
ATHEIST SHITHOLE TYRANNIES!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAA
Hey, you stupid dumbfuck atheist propagandist.. there is still
ONE atheist clusterfuck state which has not quite disintegrated
completely, YET, in Nth Korea.. why don't you put your money
and your life where your LYING MOUTH IS and fuck off to that last
Atheist Paradise.. where everyone is FORCED to think like you do!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
> thus theism is seriously flawed logically.
So flawed you CHOOSE to live in a THEIST society rather than an atheist
STATE!
BTW What has theism, got to do with ANYTHING in this debate about the
follies of atheism!?
You atheists really can't fdefend your position, you can only shift
ground and try and change the subject.
> (bleatings about historical atheist state deaths
According to these atheist Holocaust deniers, we are not supposed
to talk about the 80,000,000 people terrorised tortured and killed
by ATHEIST regiems, .. they say that would be 'bleating', instead
they want you to look ONLY at the way people pray differently, standing
up or sitting won or kneeling.
That ultimately is the tragedy of the atheist states.. they tried to
CRUSH FREEDOM of thought and belief and impose THEIR beliefs on
EVERYONE... jsut as this atheist stooge wants to shut down the REAL
DEBATE about ATHEISM, and force us all to his tired old religion-bashing
SCRIPT!
It's over, atheism lost. The world is MORE religious because it's
a better way.
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
> if you you look at what is happening *NOW*
Atheist regimes have failed utterly in the 20th century, only Nth Korea
an atheist rogue terrorist regime, remains, and EVEN the atheist
hypocrites CHOOSE to live in the free open secular democracies built
by the GLOBAL MAJORITY RELIGIOUS!
Game Set Match Over for atheism!
> it is obvious that religious beliefs are causing far more deaths
Nope. Most of the wars are about the usual things, land, freedom,
money, independence, oil, resources.
The USA wasn't attacked by Islam, more Muslims HELPED
it defeat al Quida than joined al Quida, and more Mulsims
were killed by terrorists than Christians were.
Bush himself declared , and Obama re-iterated, we are not at war
with Islam. They couldn't win without Muslim countries.
When the Bali bombings occurred the Indonesian and Australian
governments worked together, caught the terrorists responsible
tried and executed them.. in Muslim Indonesia.
We now fund numerous moderate Madrassas, (Muslim Schools) which
means that the real Koran is taught, not the Wahabbism which Saudi
funded extremists were feeding to Indonesian poor who had no other
choice of schools!
We are not at war with ISlam, Islam is not at war with us.
Only the desperate, hate filled BIGOTS from either camp, supported
as you all can see by hate filled ATHEIST bigots, try to incite
hatred and violence along religious lines.. but they have already
FAILED! B^]
> in the world than the few *atheist* states.
You seriously want to compare a few thousand deaths caused
by a handful of atypical suicide bombers, with the 800,000,000
victims of atheist terror!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
Even SINCE the catastrophic collapse of most of those atheist
tyrannies, atheists are as well represented in global terrorism
as the Wahabbists:
# "In Lebanon in the 1980s, of 41 suicide attackers from
# Hezbollah 1982- 1986, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists.
# Twenty-seven were Communists and Socialists. Three were Christians,
# one of which was a Christian high school teacher with a B.A.
#
# If RELIGION is the critical factor, how come we have three
# Christian suicide bombers, and a majority of SECULAR suicide
# bombers?
#
# Clearly Islamic fundamentalism is not the root cause.
#
# Something else is."
#
# - "Dying To Win" Professor Robert Pape
"Mohammed Khan the ringleader of the London bombings of 7/7
declared clearly in his martyrdom video that his central
motive was "to punish Britain for atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan,
and other Muslim nations"
Hussein Osma, July 21 would-be bomber said in his interrogation;
'This was not about religion, this was about Iraq, we watched
videos of western military atrocities in Iraq'" - Pape, "Dying to Win"
Prof Robert Pape, a distinguished academic whose work has been
funded by the Pentagon, and whose views are so respected
by the US Military that he taught at Dartmouth and 'air power
strategy' at the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower Studies,
conducted the ONLY study of the MOTIVATION of suicide bombers,
and thus he doesn't GUESS like Bush did, he UNDERSTANDS
what THE BOMBERS say are their reasons!!!
"The evidence shows that the presence of American troops
is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism."
"A study by University of Chicago political scientist
Robert Pape of 462 suicide-terrorist attacks between
1980 and 2004 worldwide found the overwhelming reason
for the attacks was a clear political objective and
in more than 95 per cent of the cases the "central
objective" was the eviction of foreign troops.
"Before our invasion, Iraq never had a suicide-terrorist
attack in its history. Never. Since our invasion,
suicide terrorism has been escalating rapidly with 20
attacks in 2003, 48 in 2004, and over 50 in just the
first five months of 2005. Every year that the United
States has stationed 150,000 combat troops in Iraq,
suicide terrorism has doubled."
The Bush administration knows this, but avoids the truth;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
"Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of
Chicago specializing in international security affairs. His publications
include Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (Random
House 2005); Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War (Cornell
1996), "Why Economic Sanctions Do Not Work," International Security
(1997), "The Determinants of International Moral Action," International
Organization (1999); "The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,"
American Political Science Review (2003); and "Soft Balancing against
the United States," International Security (2005). His commentary on
international security policy has appeared in The New York Times,
Washington Post, New Republic, Boston Globe, Los Angeles Times, and
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, as well as on Nightline, ABC News, CBS
News, CNN, Fox News, and National Public Radio. Before coming to Chicago
in 1999, he taught international relations at Dartmouth College for five
years and air power strategy for the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower
Studies for three years. He received his Ph. D. from the University of
Chicago in 1988 and graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from
the University of Pittsburgh in 1982. His current work focuses on the
causes of suicide terrorism and the politics of unipolarity."
http://political-science.uchicago.edu/faculty/pape.html
"Robert Pape graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from the
University of Pittsburgh in 1982 and earned his Ph.D. from the
University of Chicago in 1988. During his Ph.D. program he was a TA for
a class taught by John Mearsheimer. He taught international relations at
Dartmouth College from 1991 to 1996 and air power strategy at the United
States Air Force's School of Advanced Airpower Studies from 1996 to
1999. Since 1999 he has taught at the University of Chicago, where he is
Associate Professor of Political Science. He defines the focus of his
current work as "the effect of technological change on conflict and
cooperation among major powers and the theory and practice of suicide
terrorism."
After presenting preliminary data on his research into suicide terrorism
in the American Political Science Review in 2003, Pape founded the
Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, which he directs. The project is
funded by the Carnegie Corporation, the Pentagon's Defense Threat
Reduction Agency, the University of Chicago, and the Argonne National
Laboratory." - wikipedia
So, who would any sane intelligent person believe, Prof Robert Pape,
or pro Bush tools and clueless atheist Islamophobes who think Iraq made
sense? B^D
"atheists should stop living in the past and look at the real world
today."
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-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
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- Lenin
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> On 15/02/2013 6:34 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
>>
>> To an agnostic atheists are just as weird and much more dangerous;
>>
<lets see what the atheists don't want you to read - UNSNIP>
>>> Some of the things they believe in
>>
>>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>> #
>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
>> Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
>> the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
>>
>> # From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
>> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> # Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
>> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
>> #
>> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
>> # <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #
>> # >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>> #
>> # It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
>> # The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
>> #
>> # Warlord Steve
>> # BAAWA
>>
>> # Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>> #
>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
>> # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>> # incremental evolution."'
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism
>>
>>
>> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
>> #
>> #
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>>
>>
>>> would be instantly recognized as being absurd.
>>
>> But much of their ideology is just as dangerous as
>>
>>> would be instantly recognized as being absurd.
>>
>> every atheist regime in history has shown it to be;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>>
>>> Look at some of the really, really stupid things
>>
>> # From: "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>>
>>> Look at some of the really, really stupid things
>>
>> <god...@fidemturbare.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
>> # Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
>> Re-defined by
>> # the New Atheists
>> # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
>> # Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
>> #
>> #
>> # Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
>> #
>> # > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
>> # > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
>> #
>> # you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
>> # (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>
>> Yeah! Not a single atheist took the atheists who believe that the
>> ONLY qualification to be an atheist is the inability to form a rational
>> belief, or thought, to task... 8^o
>>
>> Thus the atheists believe that babies, simians, the brain dead comatose
>> and lumps of Dog Shit are all de facto atheists! B^D
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>> And because of stupidity like that, most people think the Dog Shit
>> is the intellectual ELITE of atheism!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>
>>
>>> I'm always impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the
>>> first place.
>>
>> Sure you are, but you're an atheist, and thus easily impressed by
>>
>>> I'm always impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the
>>> first place.
>>
>> what is really the most useless, ineffectual sub-branch of pointless
>> Nihilism.
>>
>> And atheists simply cannot face the historical reality
>> that EVERY atheist state in history has been a totalitarian
>> tyranny, terrorising, torturing and killing over 80,000,000 people.. Far
>> more than ANY religion! 8^o
>>
>> > Really?
>>
>> One atheist admitted the death toll from atheist regimes could be as
>> high as 100,000,000;
>>
>> # From: Kilmir <kil...@gmail.com>
>> # Newsgroups:
>> alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,alt.usenet.kooks
>> # Subject: Re: is religion really the answer? Not if the question is
>> # "What killed 60,000,000 in the last 100 years" - ATHEIST REGIMES DID
>> IT! 8^o
>> # Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 03:39:48 -0700 (PDT)
>> # Organization: http://groups.google.com
>> # Message-ID:
>> <042262dc-a546-4054...@b9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>
>> # Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
>> #
>> #
>> #
>> http://teapotatheism.blogspot.com/2008/06/anonymous-wanted-body-count-total-so-he.html
>>
>> #
>> # atheists have caused almost a whopping 100 million deaths throughout
>> # world history.
>>
>>> That sounds OK to you?
>>
>> It's possible, the data suggests the death toll could have been that
>>> That sounds OK to you?
>>
>> high, but I prefer to use the more conservative estimates of serious
>> historians.
>
> Fasy claims he is a fence-sitter *agnostic*
Liar, I never claimed to be a fence sitter. Agnostics adopt the rational
> Fasy claims he is a fence-sitter *agnostic*
position and that annorys fundie atheists AND fundie theists who can't
answer valid criticism.
All you do is snip the facts and run away from the uncomfortable truths
which you can't refute, you merely lie and slander the messenger:
> yet he only ever attack atheists.
witch burners, the Borgia Popes, paedophile priests, the church
authorities who protected them and, before you had ever heard of them,
the Taliban;
# Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:30:30 +1000
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com>
# Subject: Holdem.Down Admits Church Coverup of paedophiles
# will continue.. for FINANCIAL REASONS! B^p
# Re: Why dont the NSW police arrest the Pope?
# Message-ID: <487b1c85$0$13949$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>
------------
# Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:39:51 +1000
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com>
# Subject: Pell may reopen sex-abuse case
# WAS Re: Popes Sydney World Youth Day marred in sexual
# and political controversy
# Message-ID: <4875aeac$0$17510$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>
#
# If a known paedophile is given protection and succor
# by the Church then they are accomplices!
#
# An organization which simply FORGIVES any sin, rather than
# opposing it, ignores Christ who turned over the tables of the
# moneylenders in the temple: "Blessed are those who Hunger and
# Thirst for Justice"
#
# Well, the Devil wears Prada and the Pope...?
#
# ... a suit of legal armour crafted by Jesuits?
#
# ...mostly surrounding his heart and protecting his wallet?
#
# ---------
#
# Mark 9:42
#
# "And whosoever shall offend one of these
# little ones that believe in me, it is better
# for him that a millstone were hanged about
# his neck, and he were cast into the sea."
So I CONDEMN EVIL COMMITTED BY THEISTS or ATHEISTS.. the QUESTION IS:
Why do lying atheist tools try to avoid the valid criticisms
of ATHEIST TYRANNIES by snipping all the facts they can't deal with and
simply LYING about me!?
> Weird, eh???
No, it's just typical of atheist PROPAGANDA, ..telling the Big Lie,
which has been a feature of atheism all through history.
I was opposing the Taliban before any of you were even
talking about them;
Lets see anything from ANY of you lying slanderers criticising the
Taliban before 9/11!
# Subject: Taliban epidemic faces Cholera epidemic
# Date: 1999/07/18
# Message-ID: <37909470...@my-deja.com>#1/1
#
# "Afghanistan's ruling Taliban government has made an
# urgent plea to the international community for medical
# supplies to help fight a large-scale outbreak of cholera."
# - [The Age 5/7/99]
#
# This a government where an extreme fundamentalism has decreed
# that females may not be educated in public institutes.
#
# And because they may not be educated, they cannot become doctors.
#
# And of course, no woman could be allowed to attend a male doctor...!
#
# This is not Islam!
#
# This is patriarchal political madness dressed up in the
# terminology of religion.
Lets see any of the current crop of Climb-on-the-bandwagon
Islamophobes and bigots who were providing accurate critical
assessments of Taliban shitpigs in Usenet as early as I was.
>>
>>> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship
>>
>>
>> would be challenged to achieve.. they, like every atheist state ever
>> to exist, are a catastrophic cluster fuck, so dysfunctional the UN can't
>> even place them on the Human Development Index, .. their people have to
>> EAT GRASS during the frequent famines to try and stay alive!!!
>>
>> North Korea is such a twisted propaganda nightmare they INVENTED
>> a a fake state 'religion', Juche, so they could pretend 'See, we don't
>> ban ALL religion, we allow this fraud!" B^D
>>
>>> It is such an obvious fable
>>
>> Sure, but you still find the atheist stooges in USENET defending those
>>> It is such an obvious fable
>>
>> insane atheist fanatics from criticism! B^p
>>
>>
>> it's hard to see how even the most committed atheist could take it
>> seriously.
>> Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
>>
>> Which is EXACTLY what atheist regimes do to dissidents! 8^o
>> Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
>>
>
> Why doesn't fasy ask instead
Notice how atheists who can't explain the terror torture and death
> Why doesn't fasy ask instead
committed in the name of atheism ALWAYS want to CHANGE the subject! B^]
> You will find thousand of weird things in religions
and GREAT AND ENDURING CIVILISATIONS which more than balance the
negatives.. EVERY modern, free, open, progressive, secular state
has been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES like the USA, Canada,
Australia.. whereas ALL THAT ATHEIST STATES HAVE EVER PRODUCED IS
TERROR, TORTURE AND DEATH.. far more than ANY religion!
> fasy ignores that
No, clearly I can deal with the failings and accomplishments
of both religious and atheist societies, it's just that the EVIDENCE
shows the global civilisation built by religious societies is more
positive than the alternative, .. the atheist states which were ALL,
100% CLUSTER FUCKS.
You are the one who SNIPS and IGNORES the evidence. B^]
> Like what foods you can eat, what day to pray etc
share your insane concern about what others eat, or how they pray,
the MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies have evolved secular democracise which
ALLOW such FREEDOMS and RIGHTS (which clearly upset you atheist tyrants)
and EVERY atheist regime has OPPRESSED those freedoms and rights.
Q.E.D.
I like the majority of believers and non-believers alike REJECT the
ATHEIST TYRANTS who want to shove their beliefs down our throats and
force us to discuss ONLY what they want to talk about and not the TRUTH
which they cannot refute and RUN AWAY FROM:
>>> Here's another good one:
>>
>>
>> # claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
>> # was Re: Atheist infanticide -
>> # "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
>> # uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
>> # alt.politics.republicans
>> # Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
>> # Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>>
>> Bukakke was challenged for EVIDENCE supporting the claim that atheist
>> infanticide was justified because the child was 'a despot' and has
>> kept running EVER SINCE!
>>
>>> there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
>>
>> Of course not, it was just more atheist propaganda lies
>>> there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
>>
>> in a futile attempt to disguise their brutal murder of an
>> annocent child.
>>
>> Runaway chicken!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
And this
>>
>>> don't go asking a lot of foolish questions.
>>
>> but I like to expose them for the liars and frauds they are.
>>
>> And peoiple can see how they make themselves complicit
>> in the crimes against humanity committed by EVERY atheist
>> state in history! B^[
>>
>> Why do atheists defend such evil and oppose all that is good;
>>
>> # From: "John Fraser" <jfr...@ns.sympatico.ca>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:21:03 -0400
>> # Message-ID: <4953abb6$1$5460$9a56...@news.aliant.net>
>> #
>> # Hello Folks;
>> #
>> # I'd like to wish all of you a very Merry Christmas
>> # and a safe holiday season. Phil 4:8.
>> #
>> # Cheers,
>> # John
>>
>>
>>
>> # From: Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
>> # Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:24:01 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <o07dl41sa4t4jhof3...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # "go fuck yourself with your crucifix in a drill chuck'.
>>
>>> Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus.
>>
>> It's great to hear you admit it, after all he has had far more impact
>>> Another good one, of course, is the historicity of Jesus.
>>
>> on the world than all the atheists put together! B^D
>>
>>
>>> You'd think that a carpenter,
>>> traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
>>> a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY
>>
>> And so the4re must have been something extraordinary about him
>>
>>> You'd think that a carpenter,
>>> traveling around the Middle East, performing miracles on
>>> a daily basis, would attract the attention of SOMEBODY
>>
>> to cause an expotential explosion of converts, including such
>> temporal powers as Rome, and such hard cases as the Vikings.
>>
>> Clearly even the toughest, men who couldn't be co-erced, were
>> won over by a superior world-view, and poor old atheism has NEVER
>> achieved popular acceptance anywhere.. it has ALWAYS been IMPOSED
>> by atheist tyrants and ALWAYS FAILED CATASTROPHICALLY.
>>
>> Clearly atheist correlates with tyranny, and religions, including gentle
>> Jesus, have inspired all the great and enduring civilisations;
>>
>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>> Pick more if you like.
>>
>> No need really, the evidence of athiest failure and the success of
>> theism is overwhelming.
>>
>> All the free, open, progressive, scientifically literate, rights-based
>> secular democratic states have been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies, no atheist state has ever achieved a decent democracy!!
>>
>>> The list goes on.
>>
>> # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
>> #
>> # "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
>> # by a government, typically by active suppression of
>> # religious freedom and practice."
>> # - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
>> # Characteristics and Consequences,
>> # David Kowalewski,
>> # Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
>> #
>> #
>> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
>> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
>> # - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
>> #
>> # The Cambodian Genocide:
>> http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
>> # regarded by the regime as social parasites,
>> # were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
>> # Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
>> # destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
>> # Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
>> # rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
>> # or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
>> # were often killed.
>> #
>> # The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
>> # persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
>> # Phnom Penh was completely razed.
>> #
>> # The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
>> # regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
>> # Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
>> # - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
>> #
>> # "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
>> # because of their religion."
>> #
>> http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/CANDEMIELDA/44camboyano.jpg
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
>> # - Daniel Peris,
>> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
>> # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
>> #
>> #
>> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
>> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
>> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
>> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
>> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
>> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
>> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
>> #
>> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
>> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>
>>
>>> The only thing more bizarre
>> .....
>>> is their willingness to kill
>>
>> > Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things.
>>
>> Actually it is the FAILURE of atheists to USE THEIRS which is the danger,
>> as EVERY atheist regime in history proves!
>>
>> > I often wonder if they will be our salvation,
>>
>> According to the atheist theory that babies, and any other entity
>> that can't formn a rational thought or belief, is an atheist,
>> our brains ARE our salvation, as over 98% of babies ABANDON ATHEISM
>> when they GROW UP, and develop a capacity for rational thought.
>>
>> Bad luck for you atheists, eh?
>>
>>> our eventual destruction.
>>
>> seems likely!
>>
>> B^D
>
> things cause religious believers to kill each other.
Wow, that's your big News Flash? Humans kill humans.. well, Duh!
> things cause religious believers to kill each other.
The point is, ATHEIST REGIMES have terrorised tortured and killed
over 80,000,000 people! FAR MORE THAN ANY RELIGION!!!
> Sunnis and Shiites kill each other every day
ALL YOU PROPAGANDA TOOLS DO IS CHERRY PICK **ATYPICAL** DATA and
PRETEND TO YOURSELVES THAT IS SOMEHOW OUTWEIGHS THE FAR GREATER
DEATH TOLL CAUSED BY **YOU ATHEISTS**
B^D You are screwed by the simple FACTS of HISTORY, you stupid
atheist liar..
and that's why you snip EVERY PIECE OF FACTUAL EVIDENCE, present
NONE OF YOUR OWN, LIE and RUN AWAY FROM REALITY!
THAT is atheism, and THAT is why you are a catastrophic FAILURE! B^]
> So is fasy *really* an agnostic,
to know!? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
It wouldn't matter if I was a card carrying Rastafarian or as your other
bumber than dogshit atheist SpokesOrc, Olrik, claims, a closet atheist..
B^D
... the FACTS about atheist TYRANNIES would still remain!!!
> he can avoid answering questions about the absurditsy of
> religious belief and theism in general
as the evidence above shows.. it is YOU ATHEISTS who snip and run from
*ANY* HISTORICAL CRITICISM OF ATHEISM IN THE REAL WORLD.. because,
by comparison, it has been FAR WORSE than ANY RELIGION!
Look, dipshit, it is NOT about me, you can't kill the truth by shooting
the messenger, atheism is responsible for untold evil,
far worse than any religion!
I'm an agnostic, so you atheists are shown TRYING to LIE about me being
a theist, or even an atheist because YOU CAN'T REFUTE THE TRUTH, so you
are only left with attacking the messenger.. But anyone of the millions
of other agnostics, or the theists, or even the small number of atheists
who can think for themselves, are equally capable of putting the FACTS
which DESTROY atheism, to you.
I see more and more of my arguments picked up by the theists, and all
you atheists can do is snip and run.. hell, you have lost almost all of
your heavy hitters from USENET! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
You even tried to revive a censored, atheist-only SHELTERED WORKSHOP
where you could post WITHOUT the nasty FACTS being put to you..
.. but, like EVERY atheist state.. IT FAILED!
> admit religions are mostly incompatible with each other
because in the past they had fights.
Sorry to tell you poor atheist dimwits, religions, like Nation States
EVOLVE.. and just as past wars encouraged humans to develop the
League of NAtions, and then The UN to mitigate conflict, the religions
have been in dialogue for the past coupe of centuries, and have
established a Parliament of World Religions where they TALK, not kill
each other.
Sure, nations still have wars, but less so, the period since WWII and
the UN have been REMARKABLY FREE of war, less people dying, less nations
involved.
So it is in religion. The Catholic Church and Islam have declared
they BOTH worship the same God, as do the Jews, Bahai, Sikhs, Protestant
denominations, Parsees.. etc!
In Australia, the USA, Canada, Europe, Indonesia, .. people of all
faiths and from all nations LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE AND HARMONY! 8^)
So you atheists, who have NEVER achieved that sort of PEACEFUL,
PROGRESSIVE, TOLERANT, MULTI-FAITH, MULTI-ETHNIC, UNITY-IN-DIVERSITY,
RULE-OF-LAW, RIGHTS-BASED, FREE, OPEN, SECULAR DEMOCRACY just have to
keep on whining like little bitches and selectively looking ONLY at
the problems to try and convince yourself that the global civilisation
constructed by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS peoples is worse than your FAILED
ATHEIST SHITHOLE TYRANNIES!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAA
Hey, you stupid dumbfuck atheist propagandist.. there is still
ONE atheist clusterfuck state which has not quite disintegrated
completely, YET, in Nth Korea.. why don't you put your money
and your life where your LYING MOUTH IS and fuck off to that last
Atheist Paradise.. where everyone is FORCED to think like you do!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
> thus theism is seriously flawed logically.
STATE!
BTW What has theism, got to do with ANYTHING in this debate about the
follies of atheism!?
You atheists really can't fdefend your position, you can only shift
ground and try and change the subject.
> (bleatings about historical atheist state deaths
According to these atheist Holocaust deniers, we are not supposed
to talk about the 80,000,000 people terrorised tortured and killed
by ATHEIST regiems, .. they say that would be 'bleating', instead
they want you to look ONLY at the way people pray differently, standing
up or sitting won or kneeling.
That ultimately is the tragedy of the atheist states.. they tried to
CRUSH FREEDOM of thought and belief and impose THEIR beliefs on
EVERYONE... jsut as this atheist stooge wants to shut down the REAL
DEBATE about ATHEISM, and force us all to his tired old religion-bashing
SCRIPT!
It's over, atheism lost. The world is MORE religious because it's
a better way.
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
> if you you look at what is happening *NOW*
an atheist rogue terrorist regime, remains, and EVEN the atheist
hypocrites CHOOSE to live in the free open secular democracies built
by the GLOBAL MAJORITY RELIGIOUS!
Game Set Match Over for atheism!
> it is obvious that religious beliefs are causing far more deaths
money, independence, oil, resources.
The USA wasn't attacked by Islam, more Muslims HELPED
it defeat al Quida than joined al Quida, and more Mulsims
were killed by terrorists than Christians were.
Bush himself declared , and Obama re-iterated, we are not at war
with Islam. They couldn't win without Muslim countries.
When the Bali bombings occurred the Indonesian and Australian
governments worked together, caught the terrorists responsible
tried and executed them.. in Muslim Indonesia.
We now fund numerous moderate Madrassas, (Muslim Schools) which
means that the real Koran is taught, not the Wahabbism which Saudi
funded extremists were feeding to Indonesian poor who had no other
choice of schools!
We are not at war with ISlam, Islam is not at war with us.
Only the desperate, hate filled BIGOTS from either camp, supported
as you all can see by hate filled ATHEIST bigots, try to incite
hatred and violence along religious lines.. but they have already
FAILED! B^]
> in the world than the few *atheist* states.
by a handful of atypical suicide bombers, with the 800,000,000
victims of atheist terror!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
Even SINCE the catastrophic collapse of most of those atheist
tyrannies, atheists are as well represented in global terrorism
as the Wahabbists:
# "In Lebanon in the 1980s, of 41 suicide attackers from
# Hezbollah 1982- 1986, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists.
# Twenty-seven were Communists and Socialists. Three were Christians,
# one of which was a Christian high school teacher with a B.A.
#
# If RELIGION is the critical factor, how come we have three
# Christian suicide bombers, and a majority of SECULAR suicide
# bombers?
#
# Clearly Islamic fundamentalism is not the root cause.
#
# Something else is."
#
# - "Dying To Win" Professor Robert Pape
"Mohammed Khan the ringleader of the London bombings of 7/7
declared clearly in his martyrdom video that his central
motive was "to punish Britain for atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan,
and other Muslim nations"
Hussein Osma, July 21 would-be bomber said in his interrogation;
'This was not about religion, this was about Iraq, we watched
videos of western military atrocities in Iraq'" - Pape, "Dying to Win"
Prof Robert Pape, a distinguished academic whose work has been
funded by the Pentagon, and whose views are so respected
by the US Military that he taught at Dartmouth and 'air power
strategy' at the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower Studies,
conducted the ONLY study of the MOTIVATION of suicide bombers,
and thus he doesn't GUESS like Bush did, he UNDERSTANDS
what THE BOMBERS say are their reasons!!!
"The evidence shows that the presence of American troops
is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism."
"A study by University of Chicago political scientist
Robert Pape of 462 suicide-terrorist attacks between
1980 and 2004 worldwide found the overwhelming reason
for the attacks was a clear political objective and
in more than 95 per cent of the cases the "central
objective" was the eviction of foreign troops.
"Before our invasion, Iraq never had a suicide-terrorist
attack in its history. Never. Since our invasion,
suicide terrorism has been escalating rapidly with 20
attacks in 2003, 48 in 2004, and over 50 in just the
first five months of 2005. Every year that the United
States has stationed 150,000 combat troops in Iraq,
suicide terrorism has doubled."
The Bush administration knows this, but avoids the truth;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
"Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of
Chicago specializing in international security affairs. His publications
include Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (Random
House 2005); Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War (Cornell
1996), "Why Economic Sanctions Do Not Work," International Security
(1997), "The Determinants of International Moral Action," International
Organization (1999); "The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,"
American Political Science Review (2003); and "Soft Balancing against
the United States," International Security (2005). His commentary on
international security policy has appeared in The New York Times,
Washington Post, New Republic, Boston Globe, Los Angeles Times, and
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, as well as on Nightline, ABC News, CBS
News, CNN, Fox News, and National Public Radio. Before coming to Chicago
in 1999, he taught international relations at Dartmouth College for five
years and air power strategy for the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower
Studies for three years. He received his Ph. D. from the University of
Chicago in 1988 and graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from
the University of Pittsburgh in 1982. His current work focuses on the
causes of suicide terrorism and the politics of unipolarity."
http://political-science.uchicago.edu/faculty/pape.html
"Robert Pape graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from the
University of Pittsburgh in 1982 and earned his Ph.D. from the
University of Chicago in 1988. During his Ph.D. program he was a TA for
a class taught by John Mearsheimer. He taught international relations at
Dartmouth College from 1991 to 1996 and air power strategy at the United
States Air Force's School of Advanced Airpower Studies from 1996 to
1999. Since 1999 he has taught at the University of Chicago, where he is
Associate Professor of Political Science. He defines the focus of his
current work as "the effect of technological change on conflict and
cooperation among major powers and the theory and practice of suicide
terrorism."
After presenting preliminary data on his research into suicide terrorism
in the American Political Science Review in 2003, Pape founded the
Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, which he directs. The project is
funded by the Carnegie Corporation, the Pentagon's Defense Threat
Reduction Agency, the University of Chicago, and the Argonne National
Laboratory." - wikipedia
So, who would any sane intelligent person believe, Prof Robert Pape,
or pro Bush tools and clueless atheist Islamophobes who think Iraq made
sense? B^D
"atheists should stop living in the past and look at the real world
today."
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Olrik
Feb 16, 2013, 12:35:33 AM2/16/13
to
Poor «fasgnadh», it still does not admit being an atheist.
fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 12:55:22 AM2/16/13
to
Yap wrote:
OBSESSING about the beliefs(which they simply do not understand, and
thus misrepresent) of others.. because they simply cannot face the
REALITY of the HORRORS which ATHEIST **ACTIONS** have caused.
It is easy to misrepresent and then bay about 'BELIEFS' because it
is not based upon knowledge, but on simple-minded atheist stereotypes;
for example, the VAST MAJORITY of religious believe in Evolution,
it's taught in all the mainstream Catholic, Protestant, Jewish
and Muslim schools in Australia, Europe, Canada.. et al
But because there are a minority of Creationists, the atheists(fooling
no-one but other weak minded atheists) pretend that minority view is
typical.. and then they endlessly beat up on their own strawman stereotype!
They do this because a debate about 'Beliefs', something that exists
in the MINDS of over 60% of the planets adult population, and is thus
easy to misrepresent by atheists, is endless, self-righteous
posturing by atheists, and far more pleasant than confronting the
UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS: that EVERY atheist state has been a toralitarian
tyranny, killing over 80,000,000 people, far more than any religion,
and EVERY free, open, progressive, scientifically advanced, pluralist,
tolerant secular democracy has been built by a majority religious society!
>> Some of the things they believe in,
>> if stripped of their theological implications, would be
efficacious in BUILDING CIVILISATIONS that theirs are the only
ones in existance, and so little in atheism has proven useful at all
that not even a single atheist democracy has ever been achieved! 8^o
# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
Clearly the idea of atheists mocking the far more successful theists
is more absurd that ANY religious belief!!! B^D
Here's the question which reveals the utter stupidity of EVERY atheist
posturing and pontificating in this thread;
If you claim all you see in religion is ABSURDITY then how much more
absurd is it for you to waste your time dealing in NOTHING BUT ABSURDITY!?
Clearly, what OTHERS see in it, but which you admit you cannot grasp,
is the difference between THEIR success in building Great and enduring
civilisations, including the secular democracies which ONLY evolved in
MAJORITY THEIST societies, and your FAILURE to produce ANY SOCIETY of
lasting value, not even a single atheist democracy.. just a series of
COMPLETE CLUSTERFUCK and CATASTROPHICALLY FAILED atheist regimes which
in a mere 7 decades killed more people than ANY religion in history!
What is more 'absurd', the way people choose to pray, or the way
atheists are incapable of seeing the utter failure of atheism to
create any of the benefits which majority religious societies have achieved?
>> The Flood.
...
>> Really? That sounds OK to you?
>
> It certainly sounds OK
Who else but you atheist morons really cares about the BELIEFS of others
when it is ACTIONS which reveal religion has been repeatedly FREELY
CHOSEN by increasingly civilised societies and ATHEISM which failed
utterly when EVERY atheist state was a deadly totalitarian tyranny!!?
Religion is clearly MORE than you are capable of grasping,
otherwise THEY would have produced the atheist holocausts
and YOU would have produced civilisations!
Get over yourselves, and stop worrying about those who have
produced LESS terror torture and death than atheist states have!
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!”
> On Feb 15, 1:34 am, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
Atheists, having nothing of importance or use to do, are constantly
>
>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
OBSESSING about the beliefs(which they simply do not understand, and
thus misrepresent) of others.. because they simply cannot face the
REALITY of the HORRORS which ATHEIST **ACTIONS** have caused.
It is easy to misrepresent and then bay about 'BELIEFS' because it
is not based upon knowledge, but on simple-minded atheist stereotypes;
for example, the VAST MAJORITY of religious believe in Evolution,
it's taught in all the mainstream Catholic, Protestant, Jewish
and Muslim schools in Australia, Europe, Canada.. et al
But because there are a minority of Creationists, the atheists(fooling
no-one but other weak minded atheists) pretend that minority view is
typical.. and then they endlessly beat up on their own strawman stereotype!
They do this because a debate about 'Beliefs', something that exists
in the MINDS of over 60% of the planets adult population, and is thus
easy to misrepresent by atheists, is endless, self-righteous
posturing by atheists, and far more pleasant than confronting the
UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS: that EVERY atheist state has been a toralitarian
tyranny, killing over 80,000,000 people, far more than any religion,
and EVERY free, open, progressive, scientifically advanced, pluralist,
tolerant secular democracy has been built by a majority religious society!
>> Some of the things they believe in,
>> instantly recognized as being absurd.
Even if so, MOST of the things they believe in have proven to be so
efficacious in BUILDING CIVILISATIONS that theirs are the only
ones in existance, and so little in atheism has proven useful at all
that not even a single atheist democracy has ever been achieved! 8^o
# From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
Bjarnyard? B^D
# Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
# Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
#
# There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
is more absurd that ANY religious belief!!! B^D
Here's the question which reveals the utter stupidity of EVERY atheist
posturing and pontificating in this thread;
If you claim all you see in religion is ABSURDITY then how much more
absurd is it for you to waste your time dealing in NOTHING BUT ABSURDITY!?
Clearly, what OTHERS see in it, but which you admit you cannot grasp,
is the difference between THEIR success in building Great and enduring
civilisations, including the secular democracies which ONLY evolved in
MAJORITY THEIST societies, and your FAILURE to produce ANY SOCIETY of
lasting value, not even a single atheist democracy.. just a series of
COMPLETE CLUSTERFUCK and CATASTROPHICALLY FAILED atheist regimes which
in a mere 7 decades killed more people than ANY religion in history!
What is more 'absurd', the way people choose to pray, or the way
atheists are incapable of seeing the utter failure of atheism to
create any of the benefits which majority religious societies have achieved?
>> The Flood.
...
>> Really? That sounds OK to you?
>
> It certainly sounds OK
Who else but you atheist morons really cares about the BELIEFS of others
when it is ACTIONS which reveal religion has been repeatedly FREELY
CHOSEN by increasingly civilised societies and ATHEISM which failed
utterly when EVERY atheist state was a deadly totalitarian tyranny!!?
Religion is clearly MORE than you are capable of grasping,
otherwise THEY would have produced the atheist holocausts
and YOU would have produced civilisations!
Get over yourselves, and stop worrying about those who have
produced LESS terror torture and death than atheist states have!
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
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"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
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fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 1:13:08 AM2/16/13
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atheist Don Martin shares the beliefs which have made atheism redundant:
(because they lack the rational capacity to form a thought or belief)
that would mean that there were more atheists in the Holy Land than
Israelites.
Perhaps that would be a good reason for a Flood,
to FLUSH the atheists away!
B^D
> Where is your evidence?
# From: "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
<god...@fidemturbare.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
# Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
Re-defined by
# the New Atheists
# Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
# Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
#
#
# Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
...
atheist! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
# (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
But, as the MAJORITY of adults who GROW UP and develop the capacity
to THINK rationally abandon atheism, the only reason cats, dog shit
and all OTHER ATHEISTS remain atheist is because they CAN'T THINK!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
I started the laughter and mockery of this Joke, called "dog-shit
atheism", in 2009!; B^D
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.atheism/msg/08da346f88cf480b?hl=en&dmode=source
# Subject: Atheists such a desperately TINY minority, they claim Babies,
Monkeys,
# Cows, Rocks and Trees are Atheists! BWAAHAAHAHA!
# Message-ID: <hDFcl.12231$cu....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:53:12 +1100
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: talk.atheism,alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc,
# aus.politics,alt.religion.christians
#
# mark is ashamed of his atheist views, so he turns archiving off:
# > X-No-Archive: yes
# > "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
# >>Pink Freud tap danced:
# >>>Bob Young Wrote
# >>>>Pink Freud gibbered"
# >>>>>Duke wrote
# >>>>>>Pink Freud blathered:
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>> All newborn babies are atheists, dolt.
#
# Incredible, Atheists know they are such a tiny, ignored,
# irrelevant and ineffectual minority that they have to claim
# BABIES as members, to boost their numbers!
#
# What next.. you will claim other primates? ..the rocks and trees????
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
#
# Face it, that would TRIPLE the average IQ of Atheism!!!!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA
#
# >>>>>> No, they're not. Atheists deny the existence of God.
# >>>>>> The infant mind has no concept of God.
# >>>>>
# >>>>> Your definition is wrong. As are you.
# >>>>
# >>>> I have to agree with Dook, much as it goes against the grain.
# >>>> Newborns are innocent.
#
# First sensible thing I have ever heard an atheist in alt.atheism say!
#
# >>> Innocent or not, the answer to the question "Do newborn children
believe
# >>> in god(s)?" is "No".
#
# "Do Monkeys and Cows believe in god(s)?" NO
#
# "Do Rocks and Trees believe in god(s)?" NO
#
# "Do LUMPS OF SHIT believe in god(s)?" NO
#
# > Therefore, they are atheists.
#
# Brilliant Logic!
#
# We can see why you atheists, being such ENORMOUS INTELLECTS,
# run the world!
#
# >>
# >> The question you propose asking them is impossible, they cannot
talk let
# >> alone underestand what is meant by a god.
#
# if the Atheists want to claim lumps of shit
# meet all the intellectual requirements to be considered Atheists,
# we should respect their honest assessment of what it takes to be one!
#
# > Bob, dook will be laughing behind our backs as we discuss minutae and
# > pedantics giving an impression of dischord...
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAA
#
# People ARE laughing at you desperate cretins! B^D
#
# You are such a tiny, irrelevant, ineffectual minority that
# you are trying to claim BABIES as atheists to boost your numbers!
#
#
# > To concede this pedantic point is dangerous, in my view.
#
# Yes, never let reality or reason get in the Way of Party Membership,
# Comrade!
#
# draft all the infants, mindless vegetables, other primates,
# bovines, and fossils and turds because lets face it.. they would
# be the BEST you have! B^D
> BAAWA
Boring Atheist Arseholes Wanking Away
>
> Had a great number of Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years,
> they would have dropped an even greater number of turds along the way.
> Given the climatic conditions of deserts, a significant proportion of
> those turds would have become coprolites. To a coprolite, a couple of
> hundred years makes very little difference. Neither do those
> centuries make any difference to the absence of coprolites.
According to the atheist belief that babies (and cats) are atheist
> Had a great number of Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years,
> they would have dropped an even greater number of turds along the way.
> Given the climatic conditions of deserts, a significant proportion of
> those turds would have become coprolites. To a coprolite, a couple of
> hundred years makes very little difference. Neither do those
> centuries make any difference to the absence of coprolites.
(because they lack the rational capacity to form a thought or belief)
that would mean that there were more atheists in the Holy Land than
Israelites.
Perhaps that would be a good reason for a Flood,
to FLUSH the atheists away!
B^D
> Where is your evidence?
# From: "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
<god...@fidemturbare.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
# Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
Re-defined by
# the New Atheists
# Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
# Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
#
#
# Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
# > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
# > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
# you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
Atheists claim lumps of Shit meet ALL intellectual requirements to be an
# > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
# you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
atheist! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
# (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
to THINK rationally abandon atheism, the only reason cats, dog shit
and all OTHER ATHEISTS remain atheist is because they CAN'T THINK!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
I started the laughter and mockery of this Joke, called "dog-shit
atheism", in 2009!; B^D
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.atheism/msg/08da346f88cf480b?hl=en&dmode=source
# Subject: Atheists such a desperately TINY minority, they claim Babies,
Monkeys,
# Cows, Rocks and Trees are Atheists! BWAAHAAHAHA!
# Message-ID: <hDFcl.12231$cu....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:53:12 +1100
# ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: talk.atheism,alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc,
# aus.politics,alt.religion.christians
#
# mark is ashamed of his atheist views, so he turns archiving off:
# > X-No-Archive: yes
# > "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
# >>Pink Freud tap danced:
# >>>Bob Young Wrote
# >>>>Pink Freud gibbered"
# >>>>>Duke wrote
# >>>>>>Pink Freud blathered:
# >>>>>>
# >>>>>>> All newborn babies are atheists, dolt.
#
# Incredible, Atheists know they are such a tiny, ignored,
# irrelevant and ineffectual minority that they have to claim
# BABIES as members, to boost their numbers!
#
# What next.. you will claim other primates? ..the rocks and trees????
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAA
#
# Face it, that would TRIPLE the average IQ of Atheism!!!!!!!
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAAA
#
# >>>>>> No, they're not. Atheists deny the existence of God.
# >>>>>> The infant mind has no concept of God.
# >>>>>
# >>>>> Your definition is wrong. As are you.
# >>>>
# >>>> I have to agree with Dook, much as it goes against the grain.
# >>>> Newborns are innocent.
#
# First sensible thing I have ever heard an atheist in alt.atheism say!
#
# >>> Innocent or not, the answer to the question "Do newborn children
believe
# >>> in god(s)?" is "No".
#
# "Do Monkeys and Cows believe in god(s)?" NO
#
# "Do Rocks and Trees believe in god(s)?" NO
#
# "Do LUMPS OF SHIT believe in god(s)?" NO
#
# > Therefore, they are atheists.
#
# Brilliant Logic!
#
# We can see why you atheists, being such ENORMOUS INTELLECTS,
# run the world!
#
# >>
# >> The question you propose asking them is impossible, they cannot
talk let
# >> alone underestand what is meant by a god.
#
# if the Atheists want to claim lumps of shit
# meet all the intellectual requirements to be considered Atheists,
# we should respect their honest assessment of what it takes to be one!
#
# > Bob, dook will be laughing behind our backs as we discuss minutae and
# > pedantics giving an impression of dischord...
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHHAA
#
# People ARE laughing at you desperate cretins! B^D
#
# You are such a tiny, irrelevant, ineffectual minority that
# you are trying to claim BABIES as atheists to boost your numbers!
#
#
# > To concede this pedantic point is dangerous, in my view.
#
# Yes, never let reality or reason get in the Way of Party Membership,
# Comrade!
#
# draft all the infants, mindless vegetables, other primates,
# bovines, and fossils and turds because lets face it.. they would
# be the BEST you have! B^D
> BAAWA
Boring Atheist Arseholes Wanking Away
fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 1:32:27 AM2/16/13
to
On 16/02/2013 4:19 PM, Olrik wrote:
> Le 2013-02-15 17:29, DVH a écrit :
>> On 15/02/2013 22:14, aaa wrote:
>>>
>>> Atheism is the only logical position to take.
>>
>> ROTFL.
It is pretty funny, especially when atheists claim
> Le 2013-02-15 17:29, DVH a écrit :
>> On 15/02/2013 22:14, aaa wrote:
>>>
>>> Atheism is the only logical position to take.
>>
>> ROTFL.
baqbies cats and even dog shit are atheists BECAUSE they
COMPLETELY LACK LOGIC and can't form a rational thought or belief!
# From: "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
<god...@fidemturbare.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
# Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
Re-defined by
# the New Atheists
# Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
# Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
#
#
# Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
# > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
# > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
#
# you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
Atheists claim lumps of Shit meet ALL intellectual requirements to be an
atheist! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
# (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
Whereas the majority of humans GWO UP and become believers, rejecting
# > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
#
# you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
Atheists claim lumps of Shit meet ALL intellectual requirements to be an
atheist! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
# (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
atheism once they are capable of RATIONAL THOUGHT AND BELIEF!
So the only remaining atheists are the ones who REMAIN as DUMB AS DOG
SHIT.. according to the atheists themselves!
TALK ABOUT WEIRD BELIEFS! B^D
Even the atheists laugh at the stupidity of their beliefs! B^D
Take this one for example:
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
# The Age 29/1/2009
# humans have evolved into something like bolts of
# superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
#
# Doesn’t that description sound an awful lot like God?
#
# Professor Dawkins replies. "It’s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
> he's right.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA
#
# "It’s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution." - Pope Dawkins B^D
How come athesit Gods evolved but dumb-as-dog-shit atheists DIDN'T!?
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
> Humans invented so many «gods»,
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
> it's not even funny.
Bukakke even built an Altar of Atheism for the worship of atheist gods;
# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
Olrik
Feb 16, 2013, 2:06:32 AM2/16/13
to
Le 2013-02-16 01:32, fasgnadh a écrit :
> It is pretty funny, especially when...
«fasgnadh», an atheist, can't find the courage to admit to it.
Quite sad, really.
> It is pretty funny, especially when...
«fasgnadh», an atheist, can't find the courage to admit to it.
Quite sad, really.
felix_unger
Feb 16, 2013, 2:39:52 AM2/16/13
to
On 16-February-2013 6:06 PM, Olrik wrote:
> Le 2013-02-16 01:32, fasgnadh a écrit :
>
>> It is pretty funny, especially when...
>
> «fasgnadh», an atheist,
I don't believe so
> Le 2013-02-16 01:32, fasgnadh a écrit :
>
>> It is pretty funny, especially when...
>
> «fasgnadh», an atheist,
> can't find the courage to admit to it.
>
> Quite sad, really.
>
--
Pete
-------
I was once arguing with an atheist who chastised me for not
adopting a position on the existence of God. I challenged him with..
"I'll take a position when you can tell me why I have to". He never replied.
fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 3:24:43 AM2/16/13
to
On 16/02/2013 6:06 PM, Olrik wrote:
> On 16/02/2013 5:32 PM, fasgnadh wrote:> On 16/02/2013 4:19 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>> Le 2013-02-15 17:29, DVH a �crit :
>> # >>> believe in god(s)?" is "No".
>> # Doesn�t that description sound an awful lot like God?
>> #
>> # Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
Sure, atheism is a desperately sad tragedy, as it's history and the
pathetic evasion of those facts by dumb-as-dog-shit atheists like Olrik
demonstrates:
Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
if he doesn't know the truth (which is always):
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still
# refuses to admit it.
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
Because, unlike you, I'm not a congenital liar, B^]
and besides, people are PAYING me to goad you into yet another
of your endless cycles of stupidity! B^D
And, because you are my little bitch, I'm MAKING A FORTUNE: B^D
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: Olrik demonstrates that fasgnadh is an atheist...
# Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:56:07 -0500
# Message-ID: <kd5btj$cjd$1...@dont-email.me>
#
# By asking fasgnadh:
#
# �fasgnadh�, do you believe in God?
One atheist tried to warn Olrik the Unworthy
that he was making a fool of himself, but he's too
foolish to listen:
# From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
# Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
# Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
# Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
#
# > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
#
# Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
# to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
# peoples buttons.
Olriks button requires hardly any effort:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9tsuLU0jfPU/S_vwUo7hMeI/AAAAAAAAAEY/RonfSYNOVbw/s1600/easy-button.jpg
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
> On 16/02/2013 5:32 PM, fasgnadh wrote:> On 16/02/2013 4:19 PM, Olrik wrote:
>>> Le 2013-02-15 17:29, DVH a �crit :
>> #
>> # "Do Monkeys and Cows believe in god(s)?" NO
>> #
>> # "Do Rocks and Trees believe in god(s)?" NO
>> #
>> # "Do LUMPS OF SHIT believe in god(s)?" NO
>> #
>> # > Therefore, they are atheists.
>> #
>> # Brilliant Logic!
>> #
>> # We can see why you atheists, being such ENORMOUS INTELLECTS,
>> # run the world!
>> #
>> # >>
>> # >> The question you propose asking them is impossible, they cannot
>> # >> talk let alone underestand what is meant by a god.
>> # "Do Monkeys and Cows believe in god(s)?" NO
>> #
>> # "Do Rocks and Trees believe in god(s)?" NO
>> #
>> # "Do LUMPS OF SHIT believe in god(s)?" NO
>> #
>> # > Therefore, they are atheists.
>> #
>> # Brilliant Logic!
>> #
>> # We can see why you atheists, being such ENORMOUS INTELLECTS,
>> # run the world!
>> #
>> # >>
>> # >> The question you propose asking them is impossible, they cannot
>> #
>> # Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>>
>>> he's right.
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA
>>
>> #
>> # "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
>>
>>> he's right.
>>
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA
>>
>> #
>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>> # incremental evolution." - Pope Dawkins B^D
>>
>> How come athesit Gods evolved but dumb-as-dog-shit atheists DIDN'T!?
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
>>
>> > Humans invented so many �gods�,
>> # incremental evolution." - Pope Dawkins B^D
>>
>> How come athesit Gods evolved but dumb-as-dog-shit atheists DIDN'T!?
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
>>
>>
>> But only Dumb-as-Dog-shit atheists claim to have EVOLVED SOME!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
>>
>> > it's not even funny.
>>
>> Oh come on your poor humourless atheist sad-sack, It's HILARIOUS! B^D
>>
>> Bukakke even built an Altar of Atheism for the worship of atheist gods;
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>
> Quite sad, really.
>> But only Dumb-as-Dog-shit atheists claim to have EVOLVED SOME!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>>
>>
>> > it's not even funny.
>>
>> Oh come on your poor humourless atheist sad-sack, It's HILARIOUS! B^D
>>
>> Bukakke even built an Altar of Atheism for the worship of atheist gods;
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
>
Sure, atheism is a desperately sad tragedy, as it's history and the
pathetic evasion of those facts by dumb-as-dog-shit atheists like Olrik
demonstrates:
Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
if he doesn't know the truth (which is always):
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.abortion,alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is an atheist
# Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:49:38 -0500
# Message-ID: <hd5m8q$91a$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is an atheist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.Islam,alt.politics.republicans
# Subject: Re: The new video from Pat Condell -- fasgnadh is a muslim
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:13:01 -0400
# Message-ID: <hufap5$ghh$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# Oh look!
#
# It's fasgnadh, a.a.'s very own islamist!
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion.christian,alt.religion.islam,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: Communist states - the Historical Reality
# Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:12:48 -0400
# Message-ID: <hucmco$5v5$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh is still an atheist, and the poor thing still
# refuses to admit it.
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
Because, unlike you, I'm not a congenital liar, B^]
and besides, people are PAYING me to goad you into yet another
of your endless cycles of stupidity! B^D
And, because you are my little bitch, I'm MAKING A FORTUNE: B^D
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: Olrik demonstrates that fasgnadh is an atheist...
# Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:56:07 -0500
# Message-ID: <kd5btj$cjd$1...@dont-email.me>
#
# By asking fasgnadh:
#
# �fasgnadh�, do you believe in God?
One atheist tried to warn Olrik the Unworthy
that he was making a fool of himself, but he's too
foolish to listen:
# From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
# Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
# Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
# Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
#
# > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
#
# Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
# to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
# peoples buttons.
Olriks button requires hardly any effort:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9tsuLU0jfPU/S_vwUo7hMeI/AAAAAAAAAEY/RonfSYNOVbw/s1600/easy-button.jpg
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
Alex W.
Feb 16, 2013, 3:40:58 AM2/16/13
to
You don't want to deprive him of the opportunity to play
lumberjack, do you?
fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 6:25:10 AM2/16/13
to
On 16/02/2013 9:16 AM, aaa wrote:
> On 15/02/2013 6:34 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>>
> On 15/02/2013 6:34 PM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> MarkA confessed to not understanding theists, or much else either:
>>
>>> To an atheist, theists are a curious group.
>>
>>
>> To an agnostic atheists are just as weird and much more dangerous;
>>
>>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>
>>
> Atheism is the only logical position to take.
If you are a violent, hate filled atheist sociopath
>> # Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
>> # in the universe there are God-like creatures."
>> #
>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
>> # religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
>> # He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
>> # came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
>> # incremental evolution."'
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism
>>
>>
>> # From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
>> alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
>> # Subject: Disapproving Creation:
>> # Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
>> # Message-ID:
>> <b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
>> #
>> #
>> #> come worshiping at the altar of atheism
>>
>>
>> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
>> #
>> #
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>>
>>
>> #
>> #
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, Dr Perkins said."
>> # The Age 29/1/2009
>>
>>
>>> would be instantly recognized as being absurd.
>>
>>
>> But much of their ideology is just as dangerous as
>> every atheist regime in history has shown it to be;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>>
>> every atheist regime in history has shown it to be;
>>
>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>
>>
>>> Look at some of the really, really stupid things
>>
>>
>> # From: "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
>> <god...@fidemturbare.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
>> # Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
>> Re-defined by
>> # the New Atheists
>> # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
>> # Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
>> #
>> #
>> # Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
>> #
>> # > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
>> # > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
>> #
>> # you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
>> <god...@fidemturbare.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.psychology
>> # Subject: Arguments refuted -- Re: The Word 'Atheism' Has Been
>> Re-defined by
>> # the New Atheists
>> # Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:22:58 -0800
>> # Message-ID: <20130129122258.fc4c...@fidemturbare.com>
>> #
>> #
>> # Every newborn is a "new atheist,"
>> #
>> # > our cat Muff counts as an atheist on this definition, since she
>> # > has (to my knowledge) no belief in God.
>> #
>> # you are correct about your cat being born an atheist too
>> # (and I suspect that your cat probably hasn't abandoned atheism).
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>
>> Yeah! Not a single atheist took the atheists who believe that the
>> ONLY qualification to be an atheist is the inability to form a rational
>> belief, or thought, to task... 8^o
>>
>> Thus the atheists believe that babies, simians, the brain dead comatose
>> and lumps of Dog Shit are all de facto atheists! B^D
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>> And because of stupidity like that, most people think the Dog Shit
>> is the intellectual ELITE of atheism!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah! Not a single atheist took the atheists who believe that the
>> ONLY qualification to be an atheist is the inability to form a rational
>> belief, or thought, to task... 8^o
>>
>> Thus the atheists believe that babies, simians, the brain dead comatose
>> and lumps of Dog Shit are all de facto atheists! B^D
>>
>> Priceless!
>>
>> And because of stupidity like that, most people think the Dog Shit
>> is the intellectual ELITE of atheism!
>>
>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA
>>
>>
>>> I'm always impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the
>>> first place.
>>
>>> first place.
>>
>> > That sounds OK to you?
>>
>>
>> It's possible, the data suggests the death toll could have been that
>> high, but I prefer to use the more conservative estimates of serious
>> historians.
>>
>>
>> high, but I prefer to use the more conservative estimates of serious
>> historians.
>>
>>
>>> Next, how about having a small family build a wooden ship
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like something the last of the failed atheist regimes, Nth Korea
>> would be challenged to achieve.. they, like every atheist state ever
>> to exist, are a catastrophic cluster fuck, so dysfunctional the UN can't
>> even place them on the Human Development Index, .. their people have to
>> EAT GRASS during the frequent famines to try and stay alive!!!
>>
>> North Korea is such a twisted propaganda nightmare they INVENTED
>> a a fake state 'religion', Juche, so they could pretend 'See, we don't
>> ban ALL religion, we allow this fraud!" B^D
>>
>>> It is such an obvious fable
>>
>> Sure, but you still find the atheist stooges in USENET defending those
>> insane atheist fanatics from criticism! B^p
>>
>>
>> it's hard to see how even the most committed atheist could take it
>> seriously.
>> Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
>>
>> Which is EXACTLY what atheist regimes do to dissidents! 8^o
>>
>>
>>
>> would be challenged to achieve.. they, like every atheist state ever
>> to exist, are a catastrophic cluster fuck, so dysfunctional the UN can't
>> even place them on the Human Development Index, .. their people have to
>> EAT GRASS during the frequent famines to try and stay alive!!!
>>
>> North Korea is such a twisted propaganda nightmare they INVENTED
>> a a fake state 'religion', Juche, so they could pretend 'See, we don't
>> ban ALL religion, we allow this fraud!" B^D
>>
>>> It is such an obvious fable
>>
>> Sure, but you still find the atheist stooges in USENET defending those
>> insane atheist fanatics from criticism! B^p
>>
>>
>> it's hard to see how even the most committed atheist could take it
>> seriously.
>> Unless, of course, his commitment is to a mental institution.
>>
>> Which is EXACTLY what atheist regimes do to dissidents! 8^o
>>
>>
>>
>>> Here's another good one:
>>
>>
>> # Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
>> # claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
>> # was Re: Atheist infanticide -
>> # "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
>> # uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
>> # alt.politics.republicans
>> # Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
>> # Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>>
>> Bukakke was challenged for EVIDENCE supporting the claim that atheist
>> infanticide was justified because the child was 'a despot' and has
>> kept running EVER SINCE!
>>
>> > there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
>>
>> Of course not, it was just more atheist propaganda lies
>> in a futile attempt to disguise their brutal murder of an
>> annocent child.
>>
>> Runaway chicken!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> # Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
>> # claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
>> # was Re: Atheist infanticide -
>> # "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
>> # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
>> # uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
>> # alt.politics.republicans
>> # Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
>> # Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>>
>> Bukakke was challenged for EVIDENCE supporting the claim that atheist
>> infanticide was justified because the child was 'a despot' and has
>> kept running EVER SINCE!
>>
>> > there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
>>
>> Of course not, it was just more atheist propaganda lies
>> in a futile attempt to disguise their brutal murder of an
>> annocent child.
>>
>> Runaway chicken!
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
>>
>>
>> # From: raven1 <quotht...@nevermore.com>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>
>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>> # Subject: Re: Anyone seen Hysteria, Abu Baker Bashir and Kelsey
>> Bjarnyard? B^D
>> # Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:15:11 -0500
>> # Message-ID: <87ttk498t9sueojr7...@4ax.com>
>> #
>> # There has never been a "Great, Enduring Atheist Civilization"
>>
>> the evidence of athiest failure and the success of
>> theism is overwhelming.
>>
>> All the free, open, progressive, scientifically literate, rights-based
>> secular democratic states have been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies, no atheist state has ever achieved a decent democracy!!
>>
>>> The list goes on.
>
>> theism is overwhelming.
>>
>> All the free, open, progressive, scientifically literate, rights-based
>> secular democratic states have been built by MAJORITY RELIGIOUS
>> societies, no atheist state has ever achieved a decent democracy!!
>>
>>> The list goes on.
>
> If you believe in a religion, you have so many to choose from
If you believed in any of the atheist states, you had NO CHOICES,
the totalitarian atheist tyrants TOLD you what to think believe say and do;
> If God actually existed and cared about humans,
then all atyheist regimes would fail and only the majority religious
societies would evolve free, open, progressive secular democracies...
And guess what.. that's what happened!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Aw Bullwinkle, Atheist states never work!
>>> The only thing more bizarre
>> .....
>>> is their willingness to kill
>>
>> > Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things.
>>
>> Actually it is the FAILURE of atheists to USE THEIRS which is the danger,
>> as EVERY atheist regime in history proves!
>>
>>> I often wonder if they will be our salvation,
>>
>> According to the atheist theory that babies, and any other entity
>> that can't formn a rational thought or belief, is an atheist,
>> our brains ARE our salvation, as over 98% of babies ABANDON ATHEISM
>> when they GROW UP, and develop a capacity for rational thought.
>>
>> Bad luck for you atheists, eh?
>>
>>> our eventual destruction.
>>
>> seems likely!
>>
>> B^D
> you must believe in a religion,
In the secular democracies created by religious societies, you are FREE
to choose!
> how about giving this church ago?
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/
or this one, full of complete nutjobs who worship spaghetti and meatballs:
> http://www.venganza.org/
fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 12:32:59 PM2/16/13
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> > Atheism is the only logical position to take.
>
>
>> If you believe in a religion, you have so many to choose from
If you lived in any of the atheist states, whether you BELIEVED in
them or not, you had NO CHOICES, the totalitarian atheist tyrants
TOLD you what to think, believe, say and do;
>> If God actually existed and cared about humans,
then all atyheist regimes would fail and only the majority religious
societies would evolve free, open, progressive secular democracies...
And guess what.. that's what happened!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Aw Bullwinkle, Atheist states never work!
>>>> The only thing more bizarre
>>> .....
>>>> is their willingness to kill
>>>
>>> > Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things.
>>>
>>> Actually it is the FAILURE of atheists to USE THEIRS which is the
>>> danger,
>>> as EVERY atheist regime in history proves!
>>>
>>>> I often wonder if they will be our salvation,
>>>
>>> According to the atheist theory that babies, and any other entity
>>> that can't formn a rational thought or belief, is an atheist,
>>> our brains ARE our salvation, as over 98% of babies ABANDON ATHEISM
>>> when they GROW UP, and develop a capacity for rational thought.
>>>
>>> Bad luck for you atheists, eh?
>>>
>>>> our eventual destruction.
>>>
>>> seems likely!
>>>
>>> B^D
In atheist states
societies would evolve free, open, progressive secular democracies...
And guess what.. that's what happened!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
Aw Bullwinkle, Atheist states never work!
>>>> The only thing more bizarre
>>> .....
>>>> is their willingness to kill
>>>
>>> > Human brains are curious, DANGEROUS, fallible things.
>>>
>>> Actually it is the FAILURE of atheists to USE THEIRS which is the
>>> danger,
>>> as EVERY atheist regime in history proves!
>>>
>>>> I often wonder if they will be our salvation,
>>>
>>> According to the atheist theory that babies, and any other entity
>>> that can't formn a rational thought or belief, is an atheist,
>>> our brains ARE our salvation, as over 98% of babies ABANDON ATHEISM
>>> when they GROW UP, and develop a capacity for rational thought.
>>>
>>> Bad luck for you atheists, eh?
>>>
>>>> our eventual destruction.
>>>
>>> seems likely!
>>>
>>> B^D
In atheist states
>> you must believe in a religion,
one of the fake ones, created by the atheist state, like Juche in Nth
Korea.
In the secular democracies created by religious societies, you are FREE
to choose!
Korea.
In the secular democracies created by religious societies, you are FREE
to choose!
>> how about giving this church ago?
if you want to dedicate your life to pointlessness:
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/
or this one, full of complete nutjobs who worship spaghetti and meatballs:
>> http://www.venganza.org/
>
> ROTFL.
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/
or this one, full of complete nutjobs who worship spaghetti and meatballs:
>> http://www.venganza.org/
>
Hilarious isn't it! B^D
Atheists really do belioeve in the weirdest shit!
Don Martin
Feb 16, 2013, 12:08:32 PM2/16/13
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:00:14 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
that if you wait for a command from on high to become a shipwright).
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Don Martin
Feb 16, 2013, 12:08:32 PM2/16/13
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becomes 0I0O.
Dr. C Love
Feb 16, 2013, 6:22:40 PM2/16/13
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What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
Dr. C Love
Doctor of Homeopathy
Master of Reikki Therapy
Always remember:
Jesus love's you and so do I!
Every single one of you!
Believing is seeing - Think about it! :)
Jeanne Douglas
Feb 16, 2013, 7:45:18 PM2/16/13
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In article <l350i89iisfmj6s08...@4ax.com>,
So why are you lying about it?
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Dr. C Love <clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
No, it most certainly is not what atheists believe?
> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
So why are you lying about it?
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
Smiler
Feb 16, 2013, 9:23:37 PM2/16/13
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Smiler
Feb 16, 2013, 9:24:32 PM2/16/13
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Smiler
Feb 16, 2013, 9:31:17 PM2/16/13
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Yap
Feb 16, 2013, 9:40:54 PM2/16/13
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On Feb 17, 7:22 am, Dr. C Love <clovedoc...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
What is more weird is that theists believe that a non-existent pixie
> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
created all the things in this universe.
Where did this pixie come from?
And why it did not show any empathy towards believers?
Christopher A. Lee
Feb 16, 2013, 9:48:04 PM2/16/13
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Sailing ships used to warp, now they gybe.
Yap
Feb 16, 2013, 9:49:22 PM2/16/13
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On Feb 17, 10:31 am, Smiler <Youmus...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:08:32 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:08:32 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
thinking that all human are idiots.
fasgnadh
Feb 16, 2013, 11:00:54 PM2/16/13
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On 16/02/2013 6:39 PM, felix_unger wrote:
> On 16-February-2013 6:06 PM, Olrik wrote:
>> Le 2013-02-16 01:32, fasgnadh a écrit :
>>
>>> It is pretty funny, especially when...
>>
>> «fasgnadh», an atheist,
>
> I don't believe so
>
>> can't find the courage to admit to it.
>>
>> Quite sad, really.
Olrik is a clear example of atheist 'values' - a Liar and a Hypocrite:
> On 16-February-2013 6:06 PM, Olrik wrote:
>> Le 2013-02-16 01:32, fasgnadh a écrit :
>>
>>> It is pretty funny, especially when...
>>
>> «fasgnadh», an atheist,
>
> I don't believe so
>
>> can't find the courage to admit to it.
>>
>> Quite sad, really.
# Subject: Atheist Values - #1 Lies and #2 Hypocrisy
# Message-ID: <NxLTs.3584$1k5....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>
# Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:09:15 +1100
# From: fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.religion.christian,alt.agnosticism,alt.philosophy,
# uk.politics.misc,alt.politics.republicans,aus.politics
Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
admit it.
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.usenet.kooks
# Subject: Re: Atheist liars Syd Moron, China Glue and Olrik the
# Unworthy unable to show proof of a lie -
# demonstrates their absence of honesty... again! B^D
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
#Message-ID:<01b9d8cf-d902-4fea...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
# On 31 Mrz., 22:54, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
Because, unlike you I'm not a congenital liar, B^]
# > Olrik joins the atheist liar tag team B^D :
#
# Fagsnag
#
# he's a closet theist.
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:28:41 -0400
# Message-ID: <hp0b9v$ols$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# fasgnadh,why don't you once and for all admit that you're an atheist ?
and besides, people are paying me to goad you into yet another
of your endless cycles of stupidity! B^D
And because you are my little bitch, I'm MAKING A FORTUNE: B^D
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Re: Olrik demonstrates that fasgnadh is an atheist...
# Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:56:07 -0500
# Message-ID: <kd5btj$cjd$1...@dont-email.me>
#
# By asking fasgnadh:
#
#
# Let's see how it goes.
#
# <snip relentless assault on bandwidth>
One atheist tried to warn Olrik the Unworthy
that he was making a fool of himself, but he's too
foolish to listen:
# From: raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.religion,
# alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.politics.communism
# Subject: Re: The Decline of alt atheism - and time to say farewell to
the most trivial and useless branch of Nihilism! B^D
# Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:26:06 -0400
# Message-ID: <n4ofb51jvj209trfh...@4ax.com>
#
# > Dear old "fasgnadh" asserts his deity exists, but can't prove it.
#
# Fasgnadh has never asserted that a deity exists, and recently admitted
# to being agnostic. He's not here to push a deity, he's here to push
# peoples buttons.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9tsuLU0jfPU/S_vwUo7hMeI/AAAAAAAAAEY/RonfSYNOVbw/s1600/easy-button.jpg
Olrik
Feb 17, 2013, 12:51:45 AM2/17/13
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You'll lead a more peaceful life when you finally admit being an atheist.
Olrik
Feb 17, 2013, 12:53:33 AM2/17/13
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Stop the charade, fasgnadh. The only one you're fooling is yourself.
Les
Feb 17, 2013, 4:23:49 AM2/17/13
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:22:40 -0500, Dr. C Love
<clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
>
>What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
>and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
>chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
Is it?
<clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
>
>What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
>and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
>chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
I am sorry to have to tell you that your ability to read my (an
atheist) mind is not as good as you seem to think it is as I
do not believe that life came into existence by chance
Les Hellawell
Greeting from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
"For the assertion that “There is no God” is just as much a claim to
knowledge as is the assertion that “There is a God.” Therefore, the
former assertion requires justification just as the latter does. "
- William Lane Craig, "Reasonable Faith"
felix_unger
Feb 17, 2013, 4:48:31 AM2/17/13
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On 17-February-2013 8:23 PM, Les wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:22:40 -0500, Dr. C Love
> <clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
>
>> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
>> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
>> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
> Is it?
>
> I am sorry to have to tell you that your ability to read my (an
> atheist) mind is not as good as you seem to think it is as I
> do not believe that life came into existence by chance
http://ausnet.info/audio/hanson/explain.wav
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:22:40 -0500, Dr. C Love
> <clove...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
>
>> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
>> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
>> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
> Is it?
>
> I am sorry to have to tell you that your ability to read my (an
> atheist) mind is not as good as you seem to think it is as I
> do not believe that life came into existence by chance
>
>
> Les Hellawell
> Greeting from:
> YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
>
> "For the assertion that “There is no God” is just as much a claim to
> knowledge as is the assertion that “There is a God.” Therefore, the
> former assertion requires justification just as the latter does. "
> - William Lane Craig, "Reasonable Faith"
rgds,
Pete
-------
http://www.truthbeknown.com/
Alex W.
Feb 17, 2013, 8:24:54 AM2/17/13
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Noah's surname?
Arkwright, of course!
Someone who makes puns about Noah's ark?
An ark-eologist!
Don Martin
Feb 17, 2013, 9:16:45 AM2/17/13
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 02:31:17 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
True. Great strength of character is required.
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MarkA
Feb 17, 2013, 2:29:31 PM2/17/13
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:22:40 -0500, Dr.C wrote:
>
> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world and
> all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by chance,
> because that is what the atheists believe.
>
Believing that there is an eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing,
>
> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world and
> all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by chance,
> because that is what the atheists believe.
>
intelligent, self-aware ghost that created the entire Universe for His
amusement and our benefit is far more weird than believing in natural
causes alone. Although, Reikki and homeopathy are also pretty high up on
the weird beliefs scale, too.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Smiler
Feb 17, 2013, 7:46:38 PM2/17/13
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Smiler
Feb 17, 2013, 7:48:49 PM2/17/13
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Joe Bruno
Feb 18, 2013, 2:03:33 AM2/18/13
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On Friday, February 15, 2013 12:41:06 PM UTC-8, Malte Runz wrote:
> "Joe Bruno" skrev i meddelelsen
>
> news:330fdd93-8874-4fef...@googlegroups.com...
>
> >
>
> > On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
>
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
> > > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
>
> > >
>
> > > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
>
> > >
>
> > > not one shred of evidence to support it.
>
> >
>
> > That's a lie:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
>
>
>
> Let's have a look at the evidence presented here.
>
>
>
> "Are the sceptics right? They are looking at the right evidence, but at the
>
> wrong time. Dating in the history of Egypt and Palestine is based on a
>
> couple of assumptions that professors have handed down over the decades.
>
> First, they assume the Exodus took place, not when the Bible says it did,
>
> around 1450-1447 BC ..."
>
>
>
> I'm sure the Bible doesn't say 'The exodus took place in the years around
>
> 1450-1447 BC'. How do you know that that is what "the Bible says it did"?
>
>
>
>
>
> "... but around 1300 BC. The Bible says the Hebrews built the city of
>
> Ramesses and that existed around the time of Ramses II who is dated around
>
> 1290. There is no evidence of Hebrews or an Exodus at that time."
>
>
>
> And that's the truth!
> "Joe Bruno" skrev i meddelelsen
>
> news:330fdd93-8874-4fef...@googlegroups.com...
>
> >
>
> > On Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:34:47 AM UTC-8, MarkA wrote:
>
>
>
> (snip)
>
>
>
> > > Here's another good one: The Exodus story. Of course, it is VERY
>
> > >
>
> > > IMPORTANT to the entire Jewish religion, despite the fact that there is
>
> > >
>
> > > not one shred of evidence to support it.
>
> >
>
> > That's a lie:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/exodusscptcs.html
>
>
>
> Let's have a look at the evidence presented here.
>
>
>
> "Are the sceptics right? They are looking at the right evidence, but at the
>
> wrong time. Dating in the history of Egypt and Palestine is based on a
>
> couple of assumptions that professors have handed down over the decades.
>
> First, they assume the Exodus took place, not when the Bible says it did,
>
> around 1450-1447 BC ..."
>
>
>
> I'm sure the Bible doesn't say 'The exodus took place in the years around
>
> 1450-1447 BC'. How do you know that that is what "the Bible says it did"?
>
>
>
>
>
> "... but around 1300 BC. The Bible says the Hebrews built the city of
>
> Ramesses and that existed around the time of Ramses II who is dated around
>
> 1290. There is no evidence of Hebrews or an Exodus at that time."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "What if, however, the Hebrews built the city of Avaris, which existed
>
> before the city of Ramesses?"
>
>
>
> Hullo! The Bible says the Hebrews build the city of Ramesses and not Avaris.
>
> The Bible could be right about one thing, if it is wrong about some other
>
> things. Is that how it goes?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Also, what if the Egyptian chronology itself has been wrongly focused?
>
> ...
>
> In 1991 a group led by Peter James published a book called Centuries of
>
> Darkness. Four years later British archaeologist David Rohl published A Test
>
> of Time, marketed in America as Pharaohs and Kings. Both of these books
>
> argue, convincingly in my opinion, that the traditional dating of much of
>
> ancient history before 1000 BC in most history books is flawed."
>
>
>
> 'Don't trust nobody, son!'
>
>
>
>
>
> "‘Before Moses, the Bible records that the Israelites were enslaved by their
>
> Egyptian hosts (Exodus 1:8-14). In the Brooklyn Museum (p.276, fig. 310)
>
> resides a papyrus scroll numbered Brooklyn 35:1446 which was acquired in the
>
> late 19th century by Charles Wilbour. This dates to the reign of Sobekhotep
>
> III, the predecessor of Neferhotep I and so the pharaoh who reigned one
>
> generation before Moses. ..."
>
>
>
> But what if the Egyptian chronology itself has been wrongly focused? And
>
> we've just established that much of the dating of ancient history is flawed.
>
>
>
>
>
> "This papyrus is a decree by the pharaoh for a transfer of slaves. Of the 95
>
> names of slaves mentioned in the letter, 50% are Semitic in origin. What is
>
> more, it lists the names of these slaves in the original Semitic language
>
> and then adds the Egyptian name each had been assigned, which is something
>
> the Bible records the Egyptians as doing, cf. Joseph’s name given to him by
>
> pharaoh (Genesis 41:45). Some of the Semitic names are biblical and
>
> include:- Menahem, Issachar, Asher, and Shiprah (cf. Exodus 1:15-21)."
>
>
>
> Great. 47,5 Semitic names on a papyrus that might be from the right period.
>
> And further down some very indirect evidence that might support parts of the
>
> exodus story.
>
>
>
> To summarize, you've got a couple of what ifs, a bit of speculation
>
> concerning some statistical irregularities and your strongest argument is
>
> that we can't really rely on anything we think we know.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Malte Runz
On the basis of your previous posts, I consider you to be a devious
manipulator, demagogue and habitual liar. Go tell your tales to
a 4 year old child. He might believe you.
Yap
Feb 18, 2013, 2:46:40 AM2/18/13
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On Feb 17, 7:22 am, Dr. C Love <clovedoc...@mesotouri.edu> wrote:
> What can be more wierd then believing that the universe and the world
> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
Shit stuff........
> and all plants and animals just happened to come into existance by
> chance, because that is what the atheists believe.
So, your pixie was not know about its origin and who created it, yet
being all powerful but good for nothing?
fasgnadh
Feb 18, 2013, 9:55:47 AM2/18/13
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On 16/02/2013 1:59 PM, hypatiab7 wrote:
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:20:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:36:41 AM UTC-8, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason
>>> <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
According to atheist 'interpretation' (ie misunderstanding)
of the Book they cite as their EVIDENCE of God existing!
Priceless, IF atheists can use it as evidence to INDICT God,
then theists can use it as evidence of his existence.
>
>> EVIDENCE?
The atheists are using the Bible as evidence of acts they
hold God responsible for.
> That's how religion works.
Sure, the only difference is that atheists choose to believe
EVERY story they see as violent and hate filled, as befits their nature,
while theists look for the Good, and see it as inspirition to strive to
overcome and transform themselves.
> As ever, thanks
You are welcome, Brother.
> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:20:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:36:41 AM UTC-8, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason
>>> <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
>>>>> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
>>>>> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
>
>>>>> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
>>>>> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
>>>>> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
>>>>> to you?
>>>
>>> according to the Bible.
>>
>>>>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood story
>>>>> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
>>>>> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
>
>>>>> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
>>>>> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out, so He
>>>>> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That sounds OK
>>>>> to you?
>>>
According to atheist 'interpretation' (ie misunderstanding)
of the Book they cite as their EVIDENCE of God existing!
Priceless, IF atheists can use it as evidence to INDICT God,
then theists can use it as evidence of his existence.
>
>> EVIDENCE?
The atheists are using the Bible as evidence of acts they
hold God responsible for.
> That's how religion works.
Sure, the only difference is that atheists choose to believe
EVERY story they see as violent and hate filled, as befits their nature,
while theists look for the Good, and see it as inspirition to strive to
overcome and transform themselves.
> As ever, thanks
You are welcome, Brother.
Budikka666
Feb 18, 2013, 9:59:35 AM2/18/13
to
Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
at all, shall we?
I'll wait.
Budikka
Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
at all, shall we?
I'll wait.
Budikka
Malcolm McMahon
Feb 18, 2013, 10:40:22 AM2/18/13
to
On Monday, 18 February 2013 14:55:47 UTC, fasgnadh wrote:
>
> Priceless, IF atheists can use it as evidence to INDICT God,
>
> then theists can use it as evidence of his existence.
>
>
Nope, we're merely pointing out that people who swallow the whole package are embracing a mythological god whose track record contains many atrocities.
>
> Priceless, IF atheists can use it as evidence to INDICT God,
>
> then theists can use it as evidence of his existence.
>
>
Don Martin
Feb 18, 2013, 12:55:19 PM2/18/13
to
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:48:49 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com>
Regular practice makes everything easier!
fasgnadh
Feb 18, 2013, 3:15:56 PM2/18/13
to
Budikka666 snips and runs from the topic, AGAIN:
<unsnip>
<end unsnip>
Yes, Bukakke has done it again... snipped ALL THE FACTS demonstrating
the irrationalality and hypocrisy of the atheist position and then
attempts to CHANGE the subject, from atheism (which no atheist wants to
talk about) to theism, which they find more interesting!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
It's called shifting ground, and reveals their intellectual dishonesty.
Bukakke has done this before when she claimed atheist terrorists had the
right to kill a 12 year old boy because he was, in the atheists view, a
'despot'. Challenged to provide evidence that this innocent victim of
atheist crimes against humanity was a despot, she ran, and is still
running, and still trying to change the subject to the one you see
atheists obsessing about here.. GOD! 8^o
And, as usual, atheists use the BIBLE they say they don't believe in as
EVIDENCE of THEIR (mis)interpretation of God, when they refuse to accept
it as evidence by theists for the existence of God.
Theisr hypocrisy is breathtaking! B^p
# Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
# claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
# was Re: Atheist infanticide -
# "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
# alt.politics.republicans
# Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO AND YOU ARE STILL RUNNING!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Runaway chicken!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
> Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
1. Because the last time you challenged me to a debate you were exposed
defending infanticide by atheist terrorist states and RAN AWAY from
the discussion of atheist crimes against humanity and tried, as you
always do, as you are doing here, to CHANGE THE SUBJECT to the God you
are obsessed with.
No one will debate with you on ANYTHING while you refuse to provide
proof that child was a despot, your attempted justification for his
murder by atheist thugs!
In fact we already have the REAL reason for atheists support of murder,
infanticide and genoicide.. atheist's violent hatred of theists;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
2. Because I'm an agnostic and don't waste my time in pointless
THEOLOGICAL debates about how many atheists fit on the head of a pin, As
an agnostic and I know that atheists CAN HAVE NO LOGICAL PROOF of their
belief that "There is no God";
http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg
There is no proof of the atheist claim, it is a propaganda lie,
atheists admit to telling them routinely;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
SLANDERS BY THEIR FELLOW ATHEISTS!
Debate with such LYING HYPOCRITES IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!
> Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
> evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
> at all, shall we?
Oh that's easy, but you will just ignore the EVIDENCE and change the
topic again.
With atheists only one method works, as your response demonstrates;
TELL PEOP{LE THE TRUTH ABOUT ATHEIST LIES, HYPOCRISY AND CRIMES
AGAINST HUMANITY, PROVIDE THER HISTORICAL EVIDENCE AND WATCHE THEM
TRY TO SNIP IT ALL, RUN FROM THE FACTS AND TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
Just as I have demonstrated in this thread, again! B^]
Thanks for being my teaching tool, again!
So, until you provide evidence for your PREVIOUS lies in defence of
atheist infanticide, or admit defeat and apologise for running away in
your usual display of intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice,
you can wait till Hell Freezes Over before any decent person will
attempt rational debate with YOU!! B^p
> I'll wait.
Sure, gutless to the last!
A typical atheist.
> Budikka
The secret BELIEVERS;
# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
# 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
# into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
# something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
#
# Doesn�t that description sound an awful lot like God?
#
# "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
# religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
#
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
�Down with religion and long live atheism;
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
<unsnip>
Yes, Bukakke has done it again... snipped ALL THE FACTS demonstrating
the irrationalality and hypocrisy of the atheist position and then
attempts to CHANGE the subject, from atheism (which no atheist wants to
talk about) to theism, which they find more interesting!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
It's called shifting ground, and reveals their intellectual dishonesty.
Bukakke has done this before when she claimed atheist terrorists had the
right to kill a 12 year old boy because he was, in the atheists view, a
'despot'. Challenged to provide evidence that this innocent victim of
atheist crimes against humanity was a despot, she ran, and is still
running, and still trying to change the subject to the one you see
atheists obsessing about here.. GOD! 8^o
And, as usual, atheists use the BIBLE they say they don't believe in as
EVIDENCE of THEIR (mis)interpretation of God, when they refuse to accept
it as evidence by theists for the existence of God.
Theisr hypocrisy is breathtaking! B^p
# Subject: Atheist admits their murder of a 13 year old,
# claims it was because he was a 'Despot' - Where's the Proof?
# was Re: Atheist infanticide -
# "most horrific political crime of the 20th century"
# From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.politics.communism,
# uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,alt.religion,alt.politics.democrats,
# alt.politics.republicans
# Message-ID: <jcBKl.7665$y61...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:39:59 GMT
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/8e03d6bb01bb35c5?hl=en&dmode=source
THAT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO AND YOU ARE STILL RUNNING!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA
Runaway chicken!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0kPQiQufpE
> Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
defending infanticide by atheist terrorist states and RAN AWAY from
the discussion of atheist crimes against humanity and tried, as you
always do, as you are doing here, to CHANGE THE SUBJECT to the God you
are obsessed with.
No one will debate with you on ANYTHING while you refuse to provide
proof that child was a despot, your attempted justification for his
murder by atheist thugs!
In fact we already have the REAL reason for atheists support of murder,
infanticide and genoicide.. atheist's violent hatred of theists;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE of every
Muslim man woman and child, just for believing in something
the Atheist thugs want to prohibit again, freedom of thought and belief;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
2. Because I'm an agnostic and don't waste my time in pointless
THEOLOGICAL debates about how many atheists fit on the head of a pin, As
an agnostic and I know that atheists CAN HAVE NO LOGICAL PROOF of their
belief that "There is no God";
http://www.thearrogantatheist.com/mensnogod.html
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-12/66798269.jpg
There is no proof of the atheist claim, it is a propaganda lie,
atheists admit to telling them routinely;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
Olrik claims he has a Divine Right to lie about you
if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.
NO ATHEIST EVER CONDEMNS, NOR EVEN PROTESTS THE OPEN, PUBLIC
if he doesn't know the truth(which is always):
# From: Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism,alt.religion
# Subject: Re: fasgnadh is defective
# Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:31:59 -0400
# Message-ID: <huh7l5$tss$1...@news.eternal-september.org>
#
# I can claim whatever I want. One day I say you're an atheist,
# then I claim you're a muslim.
SLANDERS BY THEIR FELLOW ATHEISTS!
Debate with such LYING HYPOCRITES IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!
> Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
> evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
> at all, shall we?
topic again.
With atheists only one method works, as your response demonstrates;
TELL PEOP{LE THE TRUTH ABOUT ATHEIST LIES, HYPOCRISY AND CRIMES
AGAINST HUMANITY, PROVIDE THER HISTORICAL EVIDENCE AND WATCHE THEM
TRY TO SNIP IT ALL, RUN FROM THE FACTS AND TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
Just as I have demonstrated in this thread, again! B^]
Thanks for being my teaching tool, again!
So, until you provide evidence for your PREVIOUS lies in defence of
atheist infanticide, or admit defeat and apologise for running away in
your usual display of intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice,
you can wait till Hell Freezes Over before any decent person will
attempt rational debate with YOU!! B^p
> I'll wait.
Sure, gutless to the last!
A typical atheist.
> Budikka
The secret BELIEVERS;
# From: Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,
alt.religion,alt.religion.christian
# Subject: Disapproving Creation:
# Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:40 -0800 (PST)
# Message-ID:
<b5430732-e52e-45b5...@p13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
#
#
#> come worshiping at the altar of atheism,
# 'In one essay, Professor Dyson casts millions of speculative years
# into the future. Our galaxy is dying and humans have evolved into
# something like bolts of superpowerful intelligent and moral energy.
#
# Doesn�t that description sound an awful lot like God?
#
# "Certainly," Professor Dawkins replies. "It�s highly plausible that
# in the universe there are God-like creatures."
#
# He raises his hand, just in case a reader thinks he�s gone around a
# religious bend. "It�s very important to understand that these Gods
# came into being by an explicable scientific progression of
# incremental evolution."'
#
#
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/science/20dawkins.html?pagewanted=all
--
"At the dawn of the 20th Century approximately one half of the world's
population identified itself as either Muslim, Catholic, Protestant,
Hindu or Buddhist, and 100 years of secularism, and technological
advancement, and scientific progress later and that number is now
two thirds.
So, for those of you who enjoy beginning coffee shop
conversations with "The Death of God" .. it's time to change
the subject! It's time to talk about something else , because
it's not happening at all.
People are becoming more religious, not less religious,
and religion itself is also evolving"
- Dr Reza Aslan
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bigideas/stories/2010/2929354.htm
---------
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
"We must combat religion"
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!�
fasgnadh
Feb 18, 2013, 3:36:12 PM2/18/13
to
Malcolm McMahon snipped and misrepresented the argument:
<Unsnip>
they accept them as EVIDENCE that God acts in the world! 8^o
>>> That's how religion works.
>>
>>
>> Sure, the only difference is that atheists choose to believe
>> EVERY story they see as violent and hate filled, as befits their nature,
i.e they cherry pick only the evidence they can distort and misrepresent
in their Strawman stereotypes, and reject ANY positive messages...
>> while theists look for the Good, and see it as inspirition to strive to
>> overcome and transform themselves.
>
>
> that people who swallow the whole package
including you atheists who base your criticism of God on it..
> are embracing
> a mythological god whose track record contains many atrocities.
and your Evidence for those 'atrocities' you claim the God you don't
believe in, committed(sic) is *the BIble*, the same Evidence the theists
claim proves God exists.
The total ILLOGIC of your position is that you claim a being
you claim not to believe in committed 'many atrocities'!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA
You are all bAtShIt cRaZy!
So you & the theists both agree that the Bible is valid evidence,
but atheists simulataneously think it shows that God exists (and doesn't
exist) but is guilty of atrocities, based on the Evidence you say isn't
evidence of His existence at all!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
Completely IRRATIONAL!
This is funnier than atheists blaming the God they say they
don't believe in for birdstrike, and all suffering, including
that caused by atheists in the atheist states which killed far
more people (80,000,000) that ANY religion, including the
deaths recorded in the Bible which you dismiss, but also use
as Evidence of God's alleged crimes!
UTTER NONSENSE! B^D
<Unsnip>
> On 19/02/2013 1:55 AM, fasgnadh wrote:
>> On 16/02/2013 1:59 PM, hypatiab7 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:20:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:36:41 AM UTC-8, Christopher A. Lee
>>>> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason
>>>>> <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood
>>>>>>> story
>>>>>>> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
>>>>>>> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
>>>
>>>>>>> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
>>>>>>> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out,
>>>>>>> so He
>>>>>>> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That
>>>>>>> sounds OK
>>>>>>> to you?
>>>>>
>>>>> according to the Bible.
>>
>> According to atheist 'interpretation' (ie misunderstanding)
>> of the Book they cite as their EVIDENCE of God existing!
>>
>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:20:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bruno wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:36:41 AM UTC-8, Christopher A. Lee
>>>> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:19:09 +0000 (UTC), Kelsey Bjarnason
>>>>> <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:34:47 -0500, MarkA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The Flood. Wow. There are so many reasons why the Genesis Flood
>>>>>>> story
>>>>>>> is impossible that it's hard to know where to start. I'm always
>>>>>>> impressed by what a colossally STUPID idea it is in the first place.
>>>
>>>>>>> The population of the world in 4,000 BC couldn't have been more than
>>>>>>> 10,000,000 people. He doesn't like the way they are turning out,
>>>>>>> so He
>>>>>>> kills every single living thing on the planet? Really? That
>>>>>>> sounds OK
>>>>>>> to you?
>>>>>
>>>>> according to the Bible.
>>
>> According to atheist 'interpretation' (ie misunderstanding)
>> of the Book they cite as their EVIDENCE of God existing!
>>
>> Priceless, IF atheists can use it as evidence to INDICT God,
>> then theists can use it as evidence of his existence.
>>
>>>
>> then theists can use it as evidence of his existence.
>>
>>>
>>>> EVIDENCE?
>>
>> The atheists are using the Bible as evidence of acts they
>> hold God responsible for.
ie, they not only believe LITERALLY the Biblical accounts
>>
>> The atheists are using the Bible as evidence of acts they
>> hold God responsible for.
they accept them as EVIDENCE that God acts in the world! 8^o
>>> That's how religion works.
>>
>>
>> Sure, the only difference is that atheists choose to believe
>> EVERY story they see as violent and hate filled, as befits their nature,
in their Strawman stereotypes, and reject ANY positive messages...
>> while theists look for the Good, and see it as inspirition to strive to
>> overcome and transform themselves.
>
>
> Nope, we're merely pointing out
using the bible as your only EVIDENCE;
> that people who swallow the whole package
> are embracing
> a mythological god whose track record contains many atrocities.
believe in, committed(sic) is *the BIble*, the same Evidence the theists
claim proves God exists.
The total ILLOGIC of your position is that you claim a being
you claim not to believe in committed 'many atrocities'!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA
You are all bAtShIt cRaZy!
So you & the theists both agree that the Bible is valid evidence,
but atheists simulataneously think it shows that God exists (and doesn't
exist) but is guilty of atrocities, based on the Evidence you say isn't
evidence of His existence at all!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA
Completely IRRATIONAL!
This is funnier than atheists blaming the God they say they
don't believe in for birdstrike, and all suffering, including
that caused by atheists in the atheist states which killed far
more people (80,000,000) that ANY religion, including the
deaths recorded in the Bible which you dismiss, but also use
as Evidence of God's alleged crimes!
UTTER NONSENSE! B^D
John Smith
Feb 18, 2013, 3:54:42 PM2/18/13
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"Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
Mr. Budikka
Just me
with you need
for evidence
Just me
with you need
for evidence
John Smith
Feb 18, 2013, 4:27:56 PM2/18/13
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"Malcolm McMahon" <malcol...@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:2816fc34-7e13-4492...@googlegroups.com...
There is no
mythological god
Why is call
a Spirit God in
the first place
For you do
not understand
The Spirits
The Good and The Evil
For the Good
have to take Credit
For the Evil
In all life
there is Good and Evil
It's the Law
mythological god
Why is call
a Spirit God in
the first place
For you do
not understand
The Spirits
The Good and The Evil
For the Good
have to take Credit
For the Evil
In all life
there is Good and Evil
It's the Law
Jope
Feb 18, 2013, 5:29:26 PM2/18/13
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On Feb 18, 3:54 pm, "John Smith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
without an author?
Consider the sun ,the stars ,the moon.Consider the plants ,the
animals and even man himself. Does not any of it show intelligence?If
you are honest enough to answer yes.Then you have your proof right
there.
Can you define life? Do you even know what consciousness is?Who are
you? where do you come from?
How will you defend yourself in a court of law?How will escape
punishment?
"The fool says in his heart, "There is no God" Ps14:1
> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> > Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
> > Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
> > evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
> > at all, shall we?
>
> > I'll wait.
>
> Mr. Budikka
>
> Just me
> with you need
> for evidence
The evidence of God is creation itself.Can a painting masterpiece be
> > Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
> > evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
> > at all, shall we?
>
> > I'll wait.
>
> Mr. Budikka
>
> Just me
> with you need
> for evidence
without an author?
Consider the sun ,the stars ,the moon.Consider the plants ,the
animals and even man himself. Does not any of it show intelligence?If
you are honest enough to answer yes.Then you have your proof right
there.
Can you define life? Do you even know what consciousness is?Who are
you? where do you come from?
How will you defend yourself in a court of law?How will escape
punishment?
"The fool says in his heart, "There is no God" Ps14:1
Free Lunch
Feb 18, 2013, 6:37:46 PM2/18/13
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:29:26 -0800 (PST), Jope <jop...@gmail.com> wrote
in alt.talk.creationism:
>On Feb 18, 3:54�pm, "John Smith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>> > Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
>> > Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
>> > evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
>> > at all, shall we?
>>
>> > I'll wait.
>>
>> Mr. Budikka
>>
>> Just me
>> with you need
>> for evidence
>The evidence of God is creation itself.
Self-referential, self-serving rhetoric is not evidence. Please try
again.
>Can a painting masterpiece be without an author?
Argument by defective analogy is an erroneous argument.
>Consider the sun ,the stars ,the moon. Consider the plants ,the
>If you are honest enough to answer yes.
I am honest enough to dismiss your indefensible assertions and to stand
up against the theists who preach these lies. You need to offer
evidence, not empty, misleading rhetoric.
>Then you have your proof right there.
You are wrong. You are totally unable to defend your thesis.
>Can you define life?
Yes.
>Do you even know what consciousness is?
Yes.
>Who are you?
A human being.
>where do you come from?
I am part of the long series of self-sustaining biochemical reactions
that have been going on for billions of years called _life_.
>How will you defend yourself in a court of law?
I have no need to.
>How will escape punishment?
There is no punishment. There is death alone.
>"The fool says in his heart, "There is no God" Ps14:1
You preach an evil god unworthy of worship, a god that cannot possibly
exist.
in alt.talk.creationism:
>On Feb 18, 3:54�pm, "John Smith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>> > Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
>> > Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
>> > evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
>> > at all, shall we?
>>
>> > I'll wait.
>>
>> Mr. Budikka
>>
>> Just me
>> with you need
>> for evidence
>The evidence of God is creation itself.
again.
>Can a painting masterpiece be without an author?
>Consider the sun ,the stars ,the moon. Consider the plants ,the
>animals and even man himself. Does not any of it show intelligence?
No.
>If you are honest enough to answer yes.
up against the theists who preach these lies. You need to offer
evidence, not empty, misleading rhetoric.
>Then you have your proof right there.
>Can you define life?
Yes.
>Do you even know what consciousness is?
>Who are you?
A human being.
>where do you come from?
that have been going on for billions of years called _life_.
>How will you defend yourself in a court of law?
>How will escape punishment?
There is no punishment. There is death alone.
>"The fool says in his heart, "There is no God" Ps14:1
exist.
Jope
Feb 18, 2013, 8:03:49 PM2/18/13
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On Feb 18, 6:37 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:29:26 -0800 (PST), Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote
It appears that you are in possession of a knowledge that is beyond
the grasp of the scientific community .
Would you please care to define life and consciousness?
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:29:26 -0800 (PST), Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote
the grasp of the scientific community .
Would you please care to define life and consciousness?
Ken
Feb 18, 2013, 9:16:05 PM2/18/13
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On Feb 18, 2:29 pm, Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote this shit:
> The evidence of God is creation itself.
TOTAL BULLSHIT!
> The evidence of God is creation itself.
Budikka666
Feb 18, 2013, 10:11:38 PM2/18/13
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On Feb 18, 4:29 pm, Jope <jope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 18, 3:54 pm, "John Smith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> > > Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
> > > Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
> > > evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
> > > at all, shall we?
>
> > > I'll wait.
>
> > Mr. Budikka
>
> > Just me
> > with you need
> > for evidence
>
> The evidence of God is creation itself.Can a painting masterpiece be
> without an author?
Since I offered you a debate on this topic some time ago and *you* ran
> On Feb 18, 3:54 pm, "John Smith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> > > Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
> > > Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
> > > evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
> > > at all, shall we?
>
> > > I'll wait.
>
> > Mr. Budikka
>
> > Just me
> > with you need
> > for evidence
>
> The evidence of God is creation itself.Can a painting masterpiece be
> without an author?
from my challenges like the pathetic coward you and all creationist
scum are, just as faltnads is also running with his juvenile piss-poor
excuses, you have exactly NOTHING to say on this topic.
Budikka
budikka
Olrik
Feb 18, 2013, 11:51:43 PM2/18/13
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Le 2013-02-18 17:29, Jope a �crit :
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
> On Feb 18, 3:54 pm, "John Smith" <some...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>>> Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
>>> Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
>>> evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
>>> at all, shall we?
>>
>>> I'll wait.
>>
>> Mr. Budikka
>>
>> Just me
>> with you need
>> for evidence
> The evidence of God is creation itself.Can a painting masterpiece be
> without an author?
Following your logic, where did your �author� came from?
>> "Budikka666" <budik...@netscape.net> wrote in messagenews:ca2b7316-0a8c-449c...@m12g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>>> Why don't you and I debate the existence of a creator god right here?
>>> Go ahead and present your five best items of positive objective
>>> evidence for a creator-god and let's see whether you have any evidence
>>> at all, shall we?
>>
>>> I'll wait.
>>
>> Mr. Budikka
>>
>> Just me
>> with you need
>> for evidence
> The evidence of God is creation itself.Can a painting masterpiece be
> without an author?
--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
jope
Feb 19, 2013, 5:27:11 AM2/19/13
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spiritual and immaterial being.You can only be offered deductive
evidence.
You cannot see God with a telescope or detect him with a
spectrometer.God existed from all eternity and created all things.
Stop and think.Can your little mind grasp the complexities of the
universe?
There is another way to acquire knowledge.The greatest part of our
every day life experience cannot even be intellectualized.
You want know that God exists.I know that he does.Talk to him ,ask him
to reveal himself to you.If you are sincere ,he will answer.
"Call to me and I will answer you "Jer33
Andrew
Feb 19, 2013, 5:42:11 AM2/19/13
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"Olrik" wrote in message news:kfv0c2$nvv$3...@dont-email.me...
> Jope a écrit :
>
>> The evidence of God is creation itself. Can a painting
page that had the name of the author, would you then deduce
that the book had «no» author? That is exactly what you are
doing.
> Jope a écrit :
>
>> The evidence of God is creation itself. Can a painting
>> masterpiece be without an author?
>
> Following your logic, where did your «author» came from?
If you found a book in the desert where you could not find a
>
> Following your logic, where did your «author» came from?
page that had the name of the author, would you then deduce
that the book had «no» author? That is exactly what you are
doing.
Jeanne Douglas
Feb 19, 2013, 5:57:16 AM2/19/13
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In article <pqSdnebW7ajvy77M...@earthlink.com>,
Wow, you're almost as putrid at analogies as Jason.
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
--
JD
"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
MarkA
Feb 19, 2013, 9:43:19 AM2/19/13
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more ignorant you are, the more convincing it seems.
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