Does God lie?

[Galen Hekhuis]

God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
physical laws. God can perform miracles, intercede in personal
problems, control earthly events, and is, in the end, responsible for
the creation of everything. God is the wisest of the wise, with
understanding far beyond the comprehension of mere mortal men. We
can't even begin to imagine the kind of things that God conceives of.

Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
which appear to be contradictory to us? Parents will often make up
stories (lies) to tell their children about how a beloved pet has been
taken to a farm to romp and play when in actuality they took the pet
to the vet to have it "put to sleep." Is our understanding as great
as God's, or do you think He has to make up stories (lies) for His
"children" for concepts that humans can't possibly understand?

[W.T.S.]

In article <bdpai79p7mbcd3f0o...@4ax.com>,
ghek...@earthlink.net says...

It's worse than that. "God" _is_ a lie!

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.

[duke]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>physical laws.

You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and everything in
it and then turned it over to evolution. That's not to say that God couldn't do
anything, but he wants our decision, not for us to be robots. Physical laws are
created by God.

> God can perform miracles, intercede in personal
>problems, control earthly events, and is, in the end, responsible for
>the creation of everything. God is the wisest of the wise, with
>understanding far beyond the comprehension of mere mortal men. We
>can't even begin to imagine the kind of things that God conceives of.

>Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
>which appear to be contradictory to us?

Contradictory to us?? Who are we as minor specs of dust compared to God?

> Parents will often make up
>stories (lies) to tell their children about how a beloved pet has been
>taken to a farm to romp and play when in actuality they took the pet
>to the vet to have it "put to sleep."

>Is our understanding as great
>as God's, or do you think He has to make up stories (lies) for His
>"children" for concepts that humans can't possibly understand?

Neither, really. Children will grow up to understand. We always do if we live
long enough.

duke, American - American

*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****

[duke]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:48:15 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>In article <bdpai79p7mbcd3f0o...@4ax.com>,
>ghek...@earthlink.net says...
>>
>> God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>> physical laws. God can perform miracles, intercede in personal
>> problems, control earthly events, and is, in the end, responsible for
>> the creation of everything. God is the wisest of the wise, with
>> understanding far beyond the comprehension of mere mortal men. We
>> can't even begin to imagine the kind of things that God conceives of.
>>
>> Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
>> which appear to be contradictory to us? Parents will often make up
>> stories (lies) to tell their children about how a beloved pet has been
>> taken to a farm to romp and play when in actuality they took the pet
>> to the vet to have it "put to sleep." Is our understanding as great
>> as God's, or do you think He has to make up stories (lies) for His
>> "children" for concepts that humans can't possibly understand?
>
>It's worse than that. "God" _is_ a lie!

As is wanker's moral code.

[W.T.S.]

In article <buqai75p0o1oq7lpa...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:48:15 -0600, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <bdpai79p7mbcd3f0o...@4ax.com>,
> >ghek...@earthlink.net says...
> >>
> >> God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
> >> physical laws. God can perform miracles, intercede in personal
> >> problems, control earthly events, and is, in the end, responsible for
> >> the creation of everything. God is the wisest of the wise, with
> >> understanding far beyond the comprehension of mere mortal men. We
> >> can't even begin to imagine the kind of things that God conceives of.
> >>
> >> Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
> >> which appear to be contradictory to us? Parents will often make up
> >> stories (lies) to tell their children about how a beloved pet has been
> >> taken to a farm to romp and play when in actuality they took the pet
> >> to the vet to have it "put to sleep." Is our understanding as great
> >> as God's, or do you think He has to make up stories (lies) for His
> >> "children" for concepts that humans can't possibly understand?
> >
> >It's worse than that. "God" _is_ a lie!
>
> As is wanker's moral code.

It seems to be better than the "moral code" that oozes out of the
festering sore of religion.
>
> puke, AmeriKKKan - Monster.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>physical laws.
>
> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.

That's not what the bible says.

Don't you know your own bible?

[thomas p.]

"Galen Hekhuis" <ghek...@earthlink.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:bdpai79p7mbcd3f0o...@4ax.com...

I would try to answer the above, but I cannot possibly understand anything
about such a being including its existence. I wonder how theists manage it.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

[Paul Duca]

On Jan 29, 10:50 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:


No...just that He doesn't care.


Paul

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9FE9663B9C8D3...@216.196.121.131...

Yup.
That is exactly what the Bible says.

[Patrick]

"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4f25750c$0$292$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...

It's called: "FAITH."

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
<ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Strawman question.

You make the assumption that humans cannot understand a god. Let's
trot the fucker out here and find out for sure.

Have you ever noticed that as soon as you give attributes to
deities, they fail?

The bullshit about the Pixie being too complicated for us dumb
humans plays out very well for the brainwashed. That's the point when
you can stop thinking and just nod your head like a bobbing Bozo on
the dashboard.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:d4-
dnfAsUKi5E7jSn...@posted.localnet:

Show us where the term "Evolution"
is used in the Bible. Any edition, any
passage.

[yar...@aol.com]

On Jan 29, 7:48 am, "W.T.S." <m...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <bdpai79p7mbcd3f0o4qfp8bec2n2pnj...@4ax.com>,
> ghekh...@earthlink.net says...

>
>
>
> > God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
> > physical laws.  God can perform miracles, intercede in personal
> > problems, control earthly events, and is, in the end, responsible for
> > the creation of everything.  God is the wisest of the wise, with
> > understanding far beyond the comprehension of mere mortal men.  We
> > can't even begin to imagine the kind of things that God conceives of.
>
> > Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
> > which appear to be contradictory to us?  Parents will often make up
> > stories (lies) to tell their children about how a beloved pet has been
> > taken to a farm to romp and play when in actuality they took the pet
> > to the vet to have it "put to sleep."  Is our understanding as great
> > as God's, or do you think He has to make up stories (lies) for His
> > "children" for concepts that humans can't possibly understand?
>
> It's worse than that.  "God" _is_ a lie!
>
> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
> women and men alike!

Destroys the future and lives of the unborn men and women.

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote

> Show us where the term "Evolution"
> is used in the Bible. Any edition, any
> passage.

Clive Cookson wrote in the Financial Times, "The Vatican, which often
appeared ambivalent in the past, has recently gone out of its way to affirm
the compatibility of evolutionary science with the Bible " (Dec. 23, 2005,
emphasis added throughout).

A movement known as the Clergy Letter Project, signed by 10,000 ordained
ministers and priests in America, stated: "We believe that the theory of
evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to
rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement
rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as 'one theory among others' is
to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to
our children" (ibid.).

It is astonishing to fully realize the grip that the concept of evolution
has on increasing numbers who also profess to believe in God and presumably
His Word. And yet at the same time growing numbers of competent scientists
are becoming outspoken critics of Darwinism.

As the Australian molecular biologist and medical doctor Michael Denton,
himself an agnostic, has written, evolutionary theory "is still, as it was
in Darwin's time, a highly speculative hypothesis entirely without direct
factual support and very far from that self-evident axiom some of its more
aggressive advocates would have us believe" ( Evolution: A Theory in Crisis,
1986, p. 77).

Even some who support intelligent design (ID) somehow conceive of it as also
compatible with Darwinism. The Economist put it this way: "But if God has a
plan for the world and everyone in it . . . then it is much easier to
imagine evolution occurring under divine guidance than as a result of random
mutation and the survival of the fittest."

Many believe that God has used the evolutionary process of natural selection
to accomplish His ultimate purpose for the human family.

Even the noted paleontologist and agnostic Stephen Jay Gould saw fit to
state, "Either half of my colleagues are enormously stupid or else the
science of Darwinism is fully compatible with religious beliefs -and equally
compatible with atheism" ("Impeaching a Self-Appointed Judge," quoted in
Dawkins' God, 2005, p. 80).

This approach-believing that a divine being guided the evolutionary
process-is called theistic evolution. But according to what we find in the
Bible , has God ever worked that way? The title of this article is: "Can You
Believe Both the Bible and Evolution?" It could just as well have been
titled "Can You Believe Both God and Evolution?"

http://www.ucg.org/science/can-you-believe-both-bible-and-evolution/

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
news:A7Wdnd3-jOILdbjS...@posted.localnet:

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:d4-
dnfAsUKi5E7jSn...@posted.localnet:

> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9FE9663B9C8D3...@216.196.121.131...
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>physical laws.
>>>
>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>>>>>
>>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>>> Don't you know your own bible?
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>> That is exactly what the Bible says.
>>>

Still waiting proof of the claim that
"God created everything then turned it over
to evolution".

[Don Martin]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:35:22 -0800 (PST), "yar...@aol.com" <yar...@aol.com>
wrote:

>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>> women and men alike!
>
> Destroys the future and lives of the unborn men and women.

Are you this stupid in real life, or do you just play the village idiot on
Usenet?

--

aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

[duke]

Of course I do. That's why I said that God created and then turned it over to
evolution.

[duke]

Show me where algebra is taught.

[duke]

You lack the background to understand.

[duke]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:05:08 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

>>Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
>>which appear to be contradictory to us?

> Some things are contradictory to ANYONE or ANYTHING.

> Can yer god make a stone he cannot lift ? A cord he
> cannot break ? Cause 2+2=5, determine the last
> digit of pi, make the square-root of -1 real ? Can
> he make things hot AND cold, light AND dark, left
> AND right at the same time ?

> And don't try the "Oh, he wouldn't DO that" cop out.

The point you miss is what is the purpose for doing so? You're using items of
minimal human knowledge to try to define God. So we don't know if he can or
would do such a thing.

> He wouldn't do that because he CAN'T do that. 'Absolute
> power' leads to absolute paradoxes. Even a god can't
> get there from here.

Spoken like one that is clueless of our God.

> Which means any 'god' HAS to be LESS than 'absolutely
> powerful'. A finite amount of power.

God created, then turned it over to evolution. You cannot defend against the
concept of creation.

> And that means someone/something ELSE could eventually
> amass MORE power.

> I wonder why people began defining 'god' as something
> with ABSOLUTE power ?

WE...........don't say that. YOU...............try to say that.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:d8uci79b7a2mine9m...@4ax.com:

Just back up your claim.

If you need to, ask your Pedophile Priest,
maybe he can find the answer for you.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:f5uci79sui77bffdp...@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:10:47 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>physical laws.
>>>
>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>
>> That's not what the bible says.
>> Don't you know your own bible?
>
> Of course I do. That's why I said that God created and then turned it
> over to evolution.

Back up your claim then.

Or ask your Pedophile Priest to do it for you.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:e7uci75f42i4pf0ru...@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:35:53 -0600, Mitchell Holman
> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:d4-
>>dnfAsUKi5E7jSn...@posted.localnet:
>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9FE9663B9C8D3...@216.196.121.131...
>>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>>>physical laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>>>
>>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>>> Don't you know your own bible?
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>> That is exactly what the Bible says.
>>>
>>
>> Show us where the term "Evolution"
>>is used in the Bible. Any edition, any
>>passage.
>
> Show me where algebra is taught.

Evasion noted.

Back up your claim.

[Galen Hekhuis]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:05:08 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

>Galen Hekhuis <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>physical laws. God can perform miracles, intercede in personal
>>problems, control earthly events, and is, in the end, responsible for
>>the creation of everything. God is the wisest of the wise, with
>>understanding far beyond the comprehension of mere mortal men. We
>>can't even begin to imagine the kind of things that God conceives of.
>>
>>Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
>>which appear to be contradictory to us?
>
>

> Some things are contradictory to ANYONE or ANYTHING.
>
> Can yer god make a stone he cannot lift ? A cord he
> cannot break ? Cause 2+2=5, determine the last
> digit of pi, make the square-root of -1 real ? Can
> he make things hot AND cold, light AND dark, left
> AND right at the same time ?

If you take two piles of sand and add them to two more piles of sand,
you can easily wind up with one big pile of sand, (2+2=1), which can
of course be divided into five piles of sand, or 2+2=5. 100 degrees
Kelvin could be considered quite hot when compared to absolute zero,
but quite cold when compared to "room temperature." Ergo, something
can be "hot" and "cold" at the same time, depending on the frame of
reference.

> And don't try the "Oh, he wouldn't DO that" cop out.

No need.

> He wouldn't do that because he CAN'T do that. 'Absolute
> power' leads to absolute paradoxes. Even a god can't
> get there from here.

Years ago my dad gave me a book called (I think) "A Romance Between a
Dot and a Line." It was a sort of fanciful description of how a 2
dimensional creature might appear to a 1 dimensional one. Many of the
things the 2 dimensional creature did looked impossible, magical,
incomprehensible and contradictory to the 1 dimensional creature. When
I took high school physics I was introduced to a "wave table" and
other things in which there were standing waves and troughs, in
seeming contradiction to the movement of the material being studied.
It isn't hard to imagine that our corner of the universe is in some
kind of trough of some force that humans have no concept of, or, in
other words, we may have a very flawed view of the "laws of nature."

> Which means any 'god' HAS to be LESS than 'absolutely
> powerful'. A finite amount of power.

If you use human definitions and constraints.

> And that means someone/something ELSE could eventually
> amass MORE power.
>
> I wonder why people began defining 'god' as something

> with ABSOLUTE power ? One-upsmanship at the table down
> at the tavern ? Likely ... likely too much beer or
> they'd have thought it through better. The olde-tyme
> gods were NOT omnipotent ... they had certain limits,
> certain roles. VERY powerful, VERY smart - but not
> enough to cause inescapable universal paradoxes.

To paraphrase Shakespeare badly, there are more things in heaven and
earth, Mr. Black, than are dreamed of in your philosophie.

> Seems the previous generation of theologians were
> smarter than the new.

Maybe to you.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:54:03 -0600, Rob Par <rob...@mypbmail.com>
wrote:

>>> I wonder why people began defining 'god' as something
>>> with ABSOLUTE power ? One-upsmanship at the table down
>>> at the tavern ? Likely ... likely too much beer or
>>> they'd have thought it through better. The olde-tyme
>>> gods were NOT omnipotent ... they had certain limits,
>>> certain roles. VERY powerful, VERY smart - but not
>>> enough to cause inescapable universal paradoxes.

"My god is more powerful than yours"

>>To paraphrase Shakespeare badly, there are more things in heaven and
>>earth, Mr. Black, than are dreamed of in your philosophie.

These are?

And how does he know this?

>>> Seems the previous generation of theologians were
>>> smarter than the new.
>>
>>Maybe to you.
>

>Apologects, the religious arts of lying with great skill, suitable of snowing or bullshitting the
>feeble minded.

They make it up as they go along.

[Smiler]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:52:29 -0500, Don Martin wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:35:22 -0800 (PST), "yar...@aol.com" <yar...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>>> women and men alike!
>>
>> Destroys the future and lives of the unborn men and women.
>
> Are you this stupid in real life, or do you just play the village idiot on
> Usenet?

Dunno. But I hear there's a village that wants their idiot back.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Smiler]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
> news:f5uci79sui77bffdp...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:10:47 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>>news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>>physical laws.
>>>>
>>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>>
>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>> Don't you know your own bible?
>>
>> Of course I do. That's why I said that God created and then turned it
>> over to evolution.
>
>
> Back up your claim then.
>
> Or ask your Pedophile Priest to do it for you.

His paedophile priest has 'done it for him' several times already...

[Smiler]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:54:03 -0600, Rob Par wrote:

> Apologects(1), the religious arts of lying with great skill, suitable of

> snowing or bullshitting the feeble minded.

Apologetics(2): "Sorry, but we have no evidence."
Apologetics(3): The art of reading between the lines to see what isn't
there, to answer the argument of the day.

[duke]

Existence mandates creation. We reasoned evolution.

[duke]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[duke]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>news:f5uci79sui77bffdp...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:10:47 -0600, Mitchell Holman
>> <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>>news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>>physical laws.
>>>>
>>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>>
>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>> Don't you know your own bible?
>>
>> Of course I do. That's why I said that God created and then turned it
>> over to evolution.
>
>
> Back up your claim then.
>
> Or ask your Pedophile Priest to do it for you.

You're not my priest.

[duke]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:11:11 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:f5uci79sui77bffdp...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:10:47 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>>>news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>>>physical laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>>>
>>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>>> Don't you know your own bible?
>>>
>>> Of course I do. That's why I said that God created and then turned it
>>> over to evolution.
>>
>>
>> Back up your claim then.
>>
>> Or ask your Pedophile Priest to do it for you.
>
>His paedophile priest has 'done it for him' several times already...

Name one time.

[DanielSan]

So you say.

[duke]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:07:41 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:05:08 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
>>>>which appear to be contradictory to us?
>>
>>> Some things are contradictory to ANYONE or ANYTHING.
>>
>>> Can yer god make a stone he cannot lift ? A cord he
>>> cannot break ? Cause 2+2=5, determine the last
>>> digit of pi, make the square-root of -1 real ? Can
>>> he make things hot AND cold, light AND dark, left
>>> AND right at the same time ?
>>
>>> And don't try the "Oh, he wouldn't DO that" cop out.
>>
>>The point you miss is what is the purpose for doing so? You're using items of
>>minimal human knowledge to try to define God.

> Logic is universal. Doesn't matter if
> you're a monkey or human or little
> grey space alien or a 'god'.

But none of the above have equal capability in logic application. Relatively
speaking, man is barely above a monkey there.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:ekofi7htb4omj23a1...@4ax.com:

Well?

[Don Martin]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:08:32 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:52:29 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:35:22 -0800 (PST), "yar...@aol.com" <yar...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
>>>> women and men alike!
>>>
>>> Destroys the future and lives of the unborn men and women.
>>
>> Are you this stupid in real life, or do you just play the village idiot on
>> Usenet?
>
>Dunno. But I hear there's a village that wants their idiot back.

I _know_ there's a news group willing to send this one to them.

--

aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

[thomas p.]

"DanielSan" <daniel...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:jg8nt9$pma$4...@dont-email.me...

And he also denies it, since he doesn't think god's existence mandates his
creation. Or maybe he said "King's X", that woud make it okay.

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote
> Religion is the worst monstrosity ever fostered upon the
> human species. Only mental defectives would pay the
> slightest attention to it.

What does that make you?

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
news:f4sgi79i45gklou60...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:50:27 -0600, duke <duckg...@cox.net> in
> alt.abortion with message-id

> <9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com> wrote:
>
>>You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>everything in

>>it and then turned it over to evolution. That's not to say that God
>>couldn't do
>>anything, but he wants our decision, not for us to be robots. Physical
>>laws are
>>created by God.
>
>
> Prove any god ever existed.

<yawn>
Same shit, different day, different whiner.

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote >
> I am constantly amused by arguments about what the bible says or does
> not say when that source has never been verified and therefore
> whatever it says or does not say is irrelevant and entirely
> immaterial.

Then why don't you shut up about it?

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message

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> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:22:14 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <2PWdnbQoNI3JE7jS...@posted.localnet> wrote:
>
>>"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:4f25750c$0$292$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>>> "Galen Hekhuis" <ghek...@earthlink.net> skrev i meddelelsen
>>> news:bdpai79p7mbcd3f0o...@4ax.com...

>>>> God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks

>>>> physical laws. God can perform miracles, intercede in personal
>>>> problems, control earthly events, and is, in the end, responsible for
>>>> the creation of everything. God is the wisest of the wise, with
>>>> understanding far beyond the comprehension of mere mortal men. We
>>>> can't even begin to imagine the kind of things that God conceives of.
>>>>

>>>> Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things

>>>> which appear to be contradictory to us? Parents will often make up
>>>> stories (lies) to tell their children about how a beloved pet has been
>>>> taken to a farm to romp and play when in actuality they took the pet
>>>> to the vet to have it "put to sleep." Is our understanding as great
>>>> as God's, or do you think He has to make up stories (lies) for His
>>>> "children" for concepts that humans can't possibly understand?
>>>
>>>
>>> I would try to answer the above, but I cannot possibly understand
>>> anything
>>> about such a being including its existence. I wonder how theists manage
>>> it.
>>
>>It's called: "FAITH."
>>
>
> But why apply it to one thing and not another?

Which thing?

[Mitchell Holman]

Attila <<proc...@here.now> wrote in
news:e6sgi7lo60kvj954d...@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:21:26 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> in alt.abortion with message-id

> <d4-dnfAsUKi5E7jS...@posted.localnet> wrote:
>
>>"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9FE9663B9C8D3...@216.196.121.131...
>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>>physical laws.
>>>>

>>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>>

>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>> Don't you know your own bible?
>>
>>Yup.
>>That is exactly what the Bible says.
>>
>

> I am constantly amused by arguments about what the bible says or does
> not say when that source has never been verified and therefore
> whatever it says or does not say is irrelevant and entirely
> immaterial.

The Bible says whatever the Cafeteria Christians
want it to say.

[Smiler]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:47:16 -0600, duke wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:11:11 +0000, Smiler <Youm...@JoeKing.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:05:26 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:f5uci79sui77bffdp...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:10:47 -0600, Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>>>>>news:9eqai7h74t1jjmbjt...@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 10:37:44 -0500, Galen Hekhuis
>>>>>> <ghek...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God is all-powerful, can make anything happen, even if it breaks
>>>>>>>physical laws.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't understand God, go you? God created the universe and
>>>>>> everything in it and then turned it over to evolution.
>>>>
>>>>> That's not what the bible says.
>>>>> Don't you know your own bible?
>>>>
>>>> Of course I do. That's why I said that God created and then turned it
>>>> over to evolution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Back up your claim then.
>>>
>>> Or ask your Pedophile Priest to do it for you.
>>
>>His paedophile priest has 'done it for him' several times already...
>
> Name one time.
>

More than once, so I hear.

[Smiler]

Same shit, same avoidance of the question, same Pratprick.

[thomas p.]

"Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:v2pgi7lo51f10j0sv...@4ax.com...

> duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:07:41 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>>
>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:05:08 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
>>>>>>which appear to be contradictory to us?
>>>>
>>>>> Some things are contradictory to ANYONE or ANYTHING.
>>>>
>>>>> Can yer god make a stone he cannot lift ? A cord he
>>>>> cannot break ? Cause 2+2=5, determine the last
>>>>> digit of pi, make the square-root of -1 real ? Can
>>>>> he make things hot AND cold, light AND dark, left
>>>>> AND right at the same time ?
>>>>
>>>>> And don't try the "Oh, he wouldn't DO that" cop out.
>>>>
>>>>The point you miss is what is the purpose for doing so? You're using
>>>>items of
>>>>minimal human knowledge to try to define God.
>>
>>> Logic is universal. Doesn't matter if
>>> you're a monkey or human or little
>>> grey space alien or a 'god'.
>>
>>But none of the above have equal capability in logic application.
>
>

> They are mutually, logically, contradictory
> scenerios ... however 'absolute' power means
> you can do ANYTHING, ANYTIME.

Logically it also means that you have done everything that will ever be done
or ever was done; there could be no exceptions. That's the part theists are
unable or unwilling to grasp.

>
> Except you CAN'T.

[Josh Miles]

On 1/29/2012 6:47 PM, Patrick wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman"<nomailcomcast.net> wrote

>> Show us where the term "Evolution"
>> is used in the Bible. Any edition, any
>> passage.
>
> Clive Cookson wrote in the Financial Times, "The Vatican, which often
> appeared ambivalent in the past, has recently gone out of its way to affirm
> the compatibility of evolutionary science with the Bible " (Dec. 23, 2005,
> emphasis added throughout).
>
> A movement known as the Clergy Letter Project, signed by 10,000 ordained
> ministers and priests in America, stated: "We believe that the theory of
> evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to
> rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement
> rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as 'one theory among others' is
> to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to
> our children" (ibid.).

<snip>

I believe a passage or verse from the Bible that specifically mentions
evolution was asked for, not the opinions of religious leaders.

[duke]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:47:34 -0800, DanielSan <daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Existence mandates creation.
>So you say.

It's guaranteed.

[DanielSan]

On 2/1/2012 4:07 AM, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:47:34 -0800, DanielSan<daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Existence mandates creation.
>> So you say.
>
> It's guaranteed.

So you say.

[duke]

Some things are intuitively obvious for other reasons.

[duke]

Waiting on you.

[duke]

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:01:54 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:

>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:07:41 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>>
>>>duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:05:08 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Are we also supposed to also believe that God cannot do or say things
>>>>>>which appear to be contradictory to us?
>>>>
>>>>> Some things are contradictory to ANYONE or ANYTHING.
>>>>
>>>>> Can yer god make a stone he cannot lift ? A cord he
>>>>> cannot break ? Cause 2+2=5, determine the last
>>>>> digit of pi, make the square-root of -1 real ? Can
>>>>> he make things hot AND cold, light AND dark, left
>>>>> AND right at the same time ?
>>>>
>>>>> And don't try the "Oh, he wouldn't DO that" cop out.
>>>>
>>>>The point you miss is what is the purpose for doing so? You're using items of
>>>>minimal human knowledge to try to define God.
>>
>>> Logic is universal. Doesn't matter if
>>> you're a monkey or human or little
>>> grey space alien or a 'god'.
>>
>>But none of the above have equal capability in logic application.

> They are mutually, logically, contradictory
> scenerios ... however 'absolute' power means
> you can do ANYTHING, ANYTIME.

> Except you CAN'T.

That's right. I don't have absolute power.

[duke]

About what?

[duke]

God says it.

[DanielSan]

On 2/1/2012 4:26 AM, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:07:47 -0800, DanielSan<daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2012 4:07 AM, duke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:47:34 -0800, DanielSan<daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Existence mandates creation.
>>>> So you say.
>>>
>>> It's guaranteed.
>>
>> So you say.
>
> God says it.

There's no evidence of that.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:lpaii75u7aosnchon...@4ax.com:

Evasion noted.

Post your proof.

[thomas p.]

"Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> skrev i meddelelsen

news:0qjii7ps8dk7uh8li...@4ax.com...

> Um ... I'm not sure 'omnipotence' means you HAVE
> done everything, merely that you COULD do *anything*.

No, that would mean you are really strong. If something exists that an
omnipotent being did not do, that being is obviously not omnipotent.

>
> Hmmm, does 'omniscence' mean :
>
> a) you already know how *everything* is gonna
> turn out, that there's no quantum twist or
> split of events that you can't follow to its
> ultimate conclusion or
>
> b) just that you know everything that IS, up to
> that moment or
>
> c) you know everything that is and COULD ever
> be but not EXACTLY how every possibility WILL
> play out ???
>
> Seems the most extreme option, 'A', would render
> any experiment irrelevant and redundant. But if
> you don't DO it then your perfect foreknowledge
> is of something that never happened and, and ...
>
> Aaaauuugggh !!!
>
> This is what happens when you start introducing
> 'infinities' into things. Yet SOME bar-fly in
> the past just HAD to trump all his drunken buddies
> who were bragging about how THEIR respective gods
> were better than the next guys. "Well MY god can
> do ALL, knows ALL, IS all ! Top that !!!" :-)
>
> Didn't think it through .......
>
> ANYway ... there are SOME things that even an
> 'all powerful' being cannot do - meaning they
> are NOT 'all-powerful', just some degree of
> ordinary "powerful". I suppose Godels incompleteness
> theorum applies even in 'heavenly' venues too.
> Gawd cannot say "This statement is false" and
> have it MEAN anything - just loops forever in
> any universe whether uttered by a 'god' or the
> village idiots parrot.
>

Omnipotence/omniscience (one actually necessarily involves the other)
cancels itself out. An omnipotent god has done and decided everything, and
it all was accomplished from eternity; consequently it cannot do anything -
it does not exist.

[yar...@aol.com]

On Feb 1, 10:55 am, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> skrev i meddelelsennews:0qjii7ps8dk7uh8li...@4ax.com...

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>"Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> skrev i meddelelsen
> >>news:v2pgi7lo51f10j0sv...@4ax.com...

> >>> duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:07:41 -0500, Mr.B1ack <b...@barrk.net> wrote:
>

As long as that thing that you are talking about that he cannot do
can be accomplished by omnipotence or all-power.

I don't know how you come to the conclusion that one is necessary
for the other. I don't see the necessary connection.

> An omnipotent god has done and decided everything,

Decided yes...done...not as long as we are free agents to make
independent decisions and act on them to do things or initiate events.
Which is something we do. So, I think that the problem is with this
false assumption that then leads to the wrong conclusion.

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:58:44 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <5KadnXZdNYzcE7XS...@posted.localnet> wrote:
>
>>"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote
>>> Religion is the worst monstrosity ever fostered upon the
>>> human species. Only mental defectives would pay the
>>> slightest attention to it.
>>
>>What does that make you?
>>
>
> Someone who doesn't pay the slightest attention to it. The subject
> seldom even crosses my mind except when I am here.

And here you are....payin tension.....

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message

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> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:00:22 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> in alt.abortion with message-id

> Anything, since it is basically rather useless.

nah, it isn't.

[Patrick]

"Josh Miles" <n...@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:8b6dnVwrI8H8ibTS...@sigecom.net...

That is merely your interpretation.

[Josh Miles]

Let us review. Mr. Holman requested, and this is a direct quote, as can
be seen above: "Show us where the term 'Evolution' is used in the Bible.
Any edition, any passage." No one asked for the opinions of any church
or church leaders.

[Budikka666]

God outright LIED.

If you conflate the fictional Jesus with the fraudulent god, then this
is what Jesus said according to NT fiction:
Matthew 16:28. "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are
standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man
coming in His kingdom."

So do you suppose he meant spilling his seed, or returning in triumph
to Earth to rule?

Most believers take this to mean the latter, especially since he
clarified it in other verses.

Yet here we are 2,000 years later and he never returned.

That means if he actually *did* ever exist, by this time he stinketh.

You're wasting your life, loser.

But at least take comfort in this: no god dictated the bible. It's
not the word of any god. it was the invention of ignorant humans.
That's your out.

Budikka

[duke]

On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:14:21 -0800 (PST), Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
wrote:

>But at least take comfort in this: no god dictated the bible. It's
>not the word of any god. it was the invention of ignorant humans.
>That's your out.
>Budikka

The fires still await you, dud.

[duke]

Evidence is everything.

[duke]

People with minimal intelligence get it.

[Mitchell Holman]

duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
news:q3hji7922r7c65qra...@4ax.com:

And the rest wait for their Pedophile
Priest tell them what to think.

[Smiler]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:00:57 -0600, duke wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:14:21 -0800 (PST), Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>But at least take comfort in this: no god dictated the bible. It's
>>not the word of any god. it was the invention of ignorant humans.
>>That's your out.
>>Budikka
>
> The fires still await you, dud.
>

Your empty threats scare no-one here, puke.

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[Smiler]

That explains you, puke, but what about the rest of us?

[W.T.S.]

In article <svgji7tublmpjdmtb...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:14:21 -0800 (PST), Budikka666 <budi...@netscape.net>
> wrote:
>
> >But at least take comfort in this: no god dictated the bible. It's
> >not the word of any god. it was the invention of ignorant humans.
> >That's your out.
> >Budikka
>
> The fires still await you, dud.

For telling the truth? It figures.
>
> puke, AmeriKKKan - Monster.
>
Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.

[Smiler]

I'll post the evidence once you have posted the evidence for the existence
of your supposed god. Beliefs, opinions and 'holy' books are NOT evidence.

[Smiler]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:25:24 -0800, yar...@aol.com wrote:

> On Feb 1, 10:55 am, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Mr.B1ack" <b...@barrk.net> skrev i meddelelsennews:0qjii7ps8dk7uh8li...@4ax.com...

<snip>

>>
>> Omnipotence/omniscience (one actually necessarily involves the other)
>> cancels itself out.
>
> I don't know how you come to the conclusion that one is necessary
> for the other. I don't see the necessary connection.
>
>> An omnipotent god has done and decided everything,
>
> Decided yes...done...not as long as we are free agents to make
> independent decisions and act on them to do things or initiate events.

How so? If your supposed god knows what I will do (is omniscient), how
am I free to do other than that he knows? For instance, if this supposed
god knows I will steal a bar of chocolate from the local supermarket, how
am I free NOT to steal it? If I don't steal it, he obviously isn't
omniscient! I'd like to see you explain that logical conundrum, but I bet
you can't.

> Which is something we do. So, I think

No, you don't think, you believe, despite the logical inconsistencies in
your beliefs.

> that the problem is with this
> false assumption that then leads to the wrong conclusion.

What false assumption (on our part) would that be?

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote

>>>>> Religion is the worst monstrosity ever fostered upon the
>>>>> human species. Only mental defectives would pay the
>>>>> slightest attention to it.
>

[Patrick]

"Josh Miles" <n...@thanks.com> wrote in message

news:yO2dnXPPEdBjLLTS...@sigecom.net...

And who made you the bible scholar here?
Do you actually feel that the word "evolution" was ever used
by a single person who lived 2000 years ago? Since "evolution"
is basically an "English" word, do you feel any of the bible characters
ever spoke English? Do you feel any of the writers of the bible
knew "English" 2000 years ago?
If not, then you won't find many words in the King James Version
that were ever spoken by a person from 2000 years ago.
If you feel "English" was used, then my answer would be
that you are not only an idiot, but you are correct in the fact that
no one ever said the word or wrote the word.

[Patrick]

"Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote

If you conflate the fictional Jesus with the fraudulent god, then this
is what Jesus said according to NT fiction:

+ Then............ don't conflate it.....

Matthew 16:28. "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are
standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man
coming in His kingdom."
So do you suppose he meant spilling his seed, or returning in triumph
to Earth to rule?

+ Neither. The next verse mt1701 begins the record of the transfiguration.
The statement also introduces the transfiguration in the books of Mark and
Luke. See mr0901, lu0927. This was a preview of His coming in is
kingdom mt2430.

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:10:53 -0500, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> in
> alt.abortion with message-id

> Other than as a psychological crutch what use is it?

Many stunkin atheists cynically think that the purpose of religion is to
scare people into oppression. The powerful created this huge myth as a means
for social control. While I don't deny that some people have used religion
for such a purpose, this is not the original intention of religion.

Religion is powerful, and so it will be abused, unfortunately.
So, what is the source of the power of religion? What is its real purpose?
The purpose of religion is to help us deal with our pain, suffering, and
grief in ways that stop it from continuing to damage ourselves or others.
The purpose of religion is to help us learn to "end suffering within".
I have this image of pain and suffering bouncing around the universe like
ping pong balls. You see one coming at you, and the temptation is to bat it
away. But doing so often makes it hit someone else and hurt them too. So
they pick it up and angrily throw it back at you. Or maybe they miss and hit
someone else. Etc. To end suffering within is to catch the ping pong ball
and paint it pretty colors and hang it in the window and show it off to your
friends.

The power of religion then is redemption.
It really is possible to stop and hold your pain and suffering and grief
instead of flinging it back on others. It really is possible to rework it in
ways that make you a better person: stronger, more insightful, more
compassionate.
We are artists, creators. The material we have to work with is our life
experience. Just because we may not like some of the colors we are given
does not mean that we cannot mix those colors with others to create
beautiful art. The colors that are our experiences of pain can add depth and
richness to the paintings we produce. Added artfully to our canvas, they can
bring out the brilliance of the colors we do wish to emphasize.

Our world today, in general, does not do a very good job of teaching us how
to do this. Our world today does not even do a very good job of reminding us
that we should be trying to figure out how to learn this. Instead, when we
are hurting, our culture tells us to find someone to blame -- as if blaming
or punishing others will ever really prevent future suffering or help us to
heal from our wounds.
Looking for blame misses the point. When we are wounded, it is our wound
that needs attention. When we are wounded, we need healing.

The point of life is not to escape all suffering. That is naive and
impossible.

Once we realize that most suffering does not destroy us, we can establish a
new relationship with it. How can we meet life's challenges in ways that
make us better people? How can we learn how to transform the pain and
suffering that comes our way into strength, courage, compassion, and
insight?

http://contemplative-scholar.blogspot.com/2007/04/purpose-of-religion.html

[Uncle Vic]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
news:sa-dnXkCaarierTS...@posted.localnet:

But what do the words mean in Mat.16:28? To me it means "some of you
standing here will live until my second coming."

Everyone that could have been standing there is dead now. False prophesy.

--
Uncle Vic

"The minute someone like you would regard me as a sensible, intelligent
guy, I'd be in deep shit." -Jahnu

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[Josh Miles]

I am not a biblical scholar, but I do know more about the Bible than
most Christians, including, evidently, you.

> Do you actually feel that the word "evolution" was ever used
> by a single person who lived 2000 years ago? Since "evolution"
> is basically an "English" word, do you feel any of the bible characters
> ever spoke English? Do you feel any of the writers of the bible
> knew "English" 2000 years ago?
> If not, then you won't find many words in the King James Version
> that were ever spoken by a person from 2000 years ago.
> If you feel "English" was used, then my answer would be
> that you are not only an idiot, but you are correct in the fact that
> no one ever said the word or wrote the word.

I am not the one who argued that the Bible supports evolutionary theory,
YOU were. You were asked to cite a single passage or verse from the
Bible that supports your argument and could not because, well, as you
now admit, it doesn't exist. You know well that your religion's creation
myths flatly contradict modern science. You're probably uncomfortable
with that because as soon as you accept that, you might begin to
question other tenets of your religion as well.

[DanielSan]

On 2/1/2012 3:02 PM, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:28:59 -0800, DanielSan<daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2012 4:26 AM, duke wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:07:47 -0800, DanielSan<daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/1/2012 4:07 AM, duke wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:47:34 -0800, DanielSan<daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Existence mandates creation.
>>>>>> So you say.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's guaranteed.
>>>>
>>>> So you say.
>>>
>>> God says it.
>>
>> There's no evidence of that.
>
> Evidence is everything.
>
> duke, American - American

All you can do is assert and assert.