US bishops issue pastoral letter on marriage, condemn contraception, homosexual unions
J
With the exception of that small minority of people who support
'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these confusing
times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4640
US bishops issue pastoral letter on marriage, condemn contraception,
homosexual unions
November 18, 2009
The bishops of the United States have issued a 60-page pastoral letter on
marriage that offers an overview of Catholic teaching on the sacrament while
addressing the challenges posed by contraception, same-sex unions, divorce,
and cohabitation.
The draft of the document, which earned praise from pro-life and pro-family
leaders, underwent nearly 100 changes before it was approved by a 180-45
margin. For example, in the section on contraception-- which cites Humanae
Vitae seven times-- the sentence "this is an intrinsically evil action" was
changed and expanded to read:
[ This is objectively wrong in and of itself and is essentially opposed to
God's plan for marriage and proper human development. It makes the act of
intercourse signify, or speak, something less than the unreserved self-gift
intended in the marriage promises. ]
The draft's key paragraph condemning the legal recognition of homosexual
unions remained unchanged:
[ The legal recognition of same-sex unions poses a multifaceted threat to
the very fabric of society, striking at the source from which society and
culture come and which they are meant to serve. Such recognition affects all
people, married and non-married: not only at the fundamental levels of the
good of the spouses, the good of children, the intrinsic dignity of every
human person, and the common good, but also at the levels of education,
cultural imagination and influence, and religious freedom. ]
--
J Young
Jvis...@live.com
Pat Magroyne
> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
> 'alternative' marriages,
That "small" minority is close to 50% in the U.S.
> the overwhelming majority of Americans find
> guidance from these pastoral letters.
Probably not so much. A condemnation of contraception, which almost
all responsible adults use?
> Someone must lead in these confusing
> times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
>
> http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4640
>
> US bishops issue pastoral letter on marriage, condemn contraception,
> homosexual unions
>
> November 18, 2009
>
> The bishops of the United States have issued a 60-page pastoral letter on
> marriage that offers an overview of Catholic teaching on the sacrament while
> addressing the challenges posed by contraception, same-sex unions, divorce,
> and cohabitation.
This applies to practicing Catholics (most of whom ignore the church's
dictates with respect to contraception and pre-marital sex, and many
of whom also ignore its teachings on divorce and cohabitation).
Mitchell Holman
>
> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
> guidance from these pastoral letters.
And the "overwhelming majority of Americans" once supported
miscegination, Jim Crow laws, loyalty oaths and the Ice Capades.
What does THAT prove?
W.T.S.
news:3a6h8p....@news.alt.net...
> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these confusing
> times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
> http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4640
Is there any reason that normal, decent human beings would have the
slightest care about what the RCC and its "pastoral letters" would have to
say? No, there isn't.
The simple, direct fact is that the RCC is a collection of cheap, common
criminals whose only interest is lining their own pockets and increasing
their power. The RCC works to destroy freedom, happiness and the lives of
millions. The only thing worse than the RCC is their "enablers" and those
who sit still and remain silent while the RCC injects its poison into
society.
May God damn and destroy the Roman Catholic Church and all of its members.
Church, bad. Sex, good. Baby, bad. Abortion, good.
IAAH
> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these confusing
> times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
Would that be the same overwhelming majority that
use birth control - that this letter also spoke
out against?
--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
Bertrand Russell
bam
"IAAH" <n...@email.exist> wrote
> --
> "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally
> cannot
> prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the
> gods of
> Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these
> hypotheses is
> more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even probable
> knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them."
> Bertrand Russell
Except now Russell is dead and he must face the consequences of his actions.
BAM
IAAH
Amazing that you so abjectly failed to address the
substance of the post, isn't it?
And by "amazing", what I meant was "predictable".
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
"Jon Young"/"IBen Getiner" <Jvis...@live.com> PARROTED:
> US bishops issue pastoral letter on marriage, condemn contraception,
> homosexual unions...
...thus making complete ASSES of themselves, and PROVING to the
world that their cult is hateful and corrupt, and that they are ignorant
bigots.
<remaining ignorant hate-swill flushed>
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FREEDOM is ACCELERATING!
Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY in all these places, and
the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
( * RRR Cultists: Look up "inexorable." Take it to heart.)
� Netherlands (as of 2001)
� Belgium (2003)
� Massachusetts (2004)
� Canada (2005)
� Spain (2005)
� South Africa (2005)
� Norway (2008)
� Connecticut (2008)
� New York ** (2008)
...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
� Iowa (2009)
� Vermont (2009)
� Sweden (2009)
� New Hampshire (2009)
� Washington, D.C.** (2009)
� New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
� Hungary: PENDING in 2009
� Albania: PENDING in 2009
� California: Has 18,000 legally-married
same-sex couples, and the future looks
very BRIGHT, per THIS clear trend:
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
� Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
� Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
for couples legally married outside of the
state/district/country.
Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
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��� George Richard Tiller, MD ���
��� A True American HERO! ���
��� August 8, 1941 � May 31, 2009 ���
��� Visit -- http://iamdrtiller.com ���
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
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William Smith
> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these confusing
> times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
>
>
>
> http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4640
>
>
> US bishops issue pastoral letter on marriage, condemn contraception,
> homosexual unions
>
These individuals who are prohibited from being married or even having
sex (with or without contraception) have no business advising others
on family matters.
Uncle Vic
> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these
> confusing times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
It doesn't matter what bishops think. It doesn't even matter what the
overwhelming majority thinks. Our laws were created to prevent the
majority from shitting on the minority. That's America. Why do you
Christians hate America?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.
thomas p.
"bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net> skrev i meddelelsen
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You contradicted yourself.
Nosterill
Ummmm....no. As you said yourself - he's dead.
bam
"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Am I you?
BAM
bam
"Nosterill" <flad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Prove there's no afterlife.
BAM
bam
"William Smith" <smi...@truth.gov.oc> wrote in message
news:heai9b$lke$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Right. So unless you've murdered someone, you have no right to judge a
murderer. Unless you've been a fat pig, you have no right to judge a
glutton.
BAM
BAM
bam
"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CCAE76...@216.196.97.131...
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "J" <Jvis...@live.com> wrote:
>
>> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
>> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
>> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these
>> confusing times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
>
> It doesn't matter what bishops think. It doesn't even matter what the
> overwhelming majority thinks. Our laws were created to prevent the
> majority from shitting on the minority. That's America. Why do you
> Christians hate America?
By America, you no doubt mean "Atheism". What else could you mean? And you
are you to define, what "American" means?
I thought democracy meant "majority rule"? Ahhh, that's right - it does.
When you go along with the majority, the majority should rule. When you side
with a minority, then you're the victim who needs legal protection. What a
neat way of getting everything you want.
BAM
BAM
Nosterill
> "Nosterill" <fladg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Proving a negative isn't easy. One might posit a multitude of highly
improbable things and be unable to disprove them - but that doesn't
prove they are true either.
The Chief Instigator
Bryan only contradicts himself approximately 86,399 seconds of the average
solar day.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Milwaukee 3, Houston 2 (November 20)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, November 22 vs. Milwaukee, 4:05
bam
So the possibility of an afterlife is unfalsifiable?
BAM
Nosterill
It is not a scientific theory so, of course it is unfalsifiable: Just
like the invisible green grooblestrumphet that is even now advancing
towards you.
Don Martin
wrote:
One nice thing about dead people--their wailing and gnashing of teeth is
markedly muted.
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Syd M.
>the RCC a bigoted, ancient and useless organization. Someone must lead in these confusing
> times, and the RCC has refused to do it.
>
PDW
Ray Fischer
>>
>>> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
>>> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
>>> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these
>>> confusing times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
>>
>> It doesn't matter what bishops think. It doesn't even matter what the
>> overwhelming majority thinks. Our laws were created to prevent the
>> majority from shitting on the minority. That's America. Why do you
>> Christians hate America?
>
>By America, you no doubt mean "Atheism".
Ypu really are a stupid bigot, aren't you?
> What else could you mean?
Catholic, baptist, lutheran, jewish, hind, sikh, ...
> And you
>are you to define, what "American" means?
He didn't, bigit.
>I thought democracy meant "majority rule"?
The US is a democratic republic, bigot. If you want to dictatorship
then go live somewhere else.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>> "IAAH" <n...@email.exist> wrote
>>
>> > --
>> > "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally
>> > cannot
>> > prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the
>> > gods of
>> > Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these
>> > hypotheses is
>> > more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even
>> > probable
>> > knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them."
>> > Bertrand Russell
>>
>> Except now Russell is dead and he must face the consequences of his
>> actions.
>
>>Ummmm....no. As you said yourself - he's dead.
>
>Prove there's no afterlife.
Prove that you're not a schizophrenic crackpot who is convinced that
his delusions are real.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>> sex (with or without contraception) have no business advising others
>> on family matters.
>
>Right. So unless you've murdered someone, you have no right to judge a
>murderer. Unless you've been a fat pig, you have no right to judge a
>glutton.
But what you're t stupid to realize is that in the case of a murderer
no judgement is needed- only protecting society is relevant. In the
case of a glutton one can point out the serious health effects from
being obese.
But you're trying to inflict your bigotry upon other with no
justification at all.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Uncle Vic
>> It doesn't matter what bishops think. It doesn't even matter what the
>> overwhelming majority thinks. Our laws were created to prevent the
>> majority from shitting on the minority. That's America. Why do you
>> Christians hate America?
>
> By America, you no doubt mean "Atheism".
Bwaaahahahaha! Moron.
BOB
dnSrL152N3pTWn...@giganews.com:
>
> "Nosterill" <flad...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2f27aa05-baad-46b5-bb15-
e54434...@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
Prove there is, BUM.
> BAM
>
>
>
thomas p.
No, you are the one who contradicted yourself. Glad to help.
thomas p.
"Uncle Vic" <add...@withheld.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:Xns9CCB6FD4...@216.196.97.131...
> One fine day in alt.atheism, "bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>> It doesn't matter what bishops think. It doesn't even matter what the
>>> overwhelming majority thinks. Our laws were created to prevent the
>>> majority from shitting on the minority. That's America. Why do you
>>> Christians hate America?
>>
>> By America, you no doubt mean "Atheism".
>
> Bwaaahahahaha! Moron.
And he is proud of it.
bam
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4b098357$0$1646$742e...@news.sonic.net...
How?
BAM
bam
BOB
Ray Fischer
>>>> > "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally
>>>> > cannot
>>>> > prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may the
>>>> > gods of
>>>> > Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these
>>>> > hypotheses is
>>>> > more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even
>>>> > probable
>>>> > knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of them."
>>>> > Bertrand Russell
>>>>
>>>> Except now Russell is dead and he must face the consequences of his
>>>> actions.
>>>
>>>>Ummmm....no. As you said yourself - he's dead.
>>>
>>>Prove there's no afterlife.
>>
>> Prove that you're not a schizophrenic crackpot who is convinced that
>> his delusions are real.
>
>How?
How is anyone supposed to prove that there is no afterlife, moron?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Ray Fischer
>"BOB" <s...@sd.net> wrote in message news:Xns9CCB71...@69.16.185.250...
>> "bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:AI-
>>>> > "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I
>> equally
>>>> > cannot
>>>> > prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god may exist; so may
>> the
>>>> > gods of
>>>> > Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But no one of these
>>>> > hypotheses is
>>>> > more probable than any other: they lie outside the region of even
>>>> > probable
>>>> > knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to consider any of
>> them."
>>>> > Bertrand Russell
>>>>
>>>> Except now Russell is dead and he must face the consequences of his
>>>> actions.
>>>
>>>>Ummmm....no. As you said yourself - he's dead.
>>>
>>> Prove there's no afterlife.
>>>
>> Prove there is, BUM.
>
>Look around you.
I see corpses that never come back to lfe, moron. What do you see?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
William Smith
So, being married or having sex is something akin to murder - must
be judged, not advised upon.
If a Protestant pastor or a rabbi says "contraception is sinful, I never
use it with my wife" then he has a point. Catholic bishops do not.
bam
"William Smith" <smi...@truth.gov.oc> wrote in message
> bam wrote:
>> "William Smith" <smi...@truth.gov.oc> wrote in message
>> news:heai9b$lke$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> J wrote:
>>>> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
>>>> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
>>>> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these
>>>> confusing times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4640
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> US bishops issue pastoral letter on marriage, condemn contraception,
>>>> homosexual unions
>>>>
>>> These individuals who are prohibited from being married or even having
>>> sex (with or without contraception) have no business advising others
>>> on family matters.
>>
>> Right. So unless you've murdered someone, you have no right to judge a
>> murderer. Unless you've been a fat pig, you have no right to judge a
>> glutton.
>>
>
> So, being married or having sex is something akin to murder - must
> be judged, not advised upon.
What an odd conclusion......
> If a Protestant pastor or a rabbi says "contraception is sinful, I never
> use it with my wife" then he has a point. Catholic bishops do not.
As opposed to??
BAM
bam
Thank you Ray.
BAM
bam
"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
news:10qkg59afno054ve7...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:56:30 -0500, "bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net>
> in alt.abortion with message-id> You are the one asserting there is. Prove it.
No no no no no.
Credo.
BAM
bam
"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:49:19 -0500, "bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net>
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> <NNqdnSAU8IBdKZXW...@giganews.com> wrote:
>
>>Except now Russell is dead and he must face the consequences of his
>>actions.
>
>
Time will tell.
BAM
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
So you believe. Why would I care? Believing does not make it so.
bam
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:h7jmg5dmirg7bpg41...@4ax.com...
Yes
>Why would I care?
Because I'm rational.
>Believing does not make it so.
I believe that's correct.
BAM
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>news:h7jmg5dmirg7bpg41...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:03:28 -0500, "bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>
>>>"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
>>>news:10qkg59afno054ve7...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:56:30 -0500, "bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net>
>>>> in alt.abortion with message-id
>>>> <AI-dnSrL152N3pTW...@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Prove there's no afterlife.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are the one asserting there is. Prove it.
>>>
>>>No no no no no.
>>>
>>>Credo.
>>
>> So you believe.
>
>Yes
>
>>Why would I care?
>
>Because I'm rational.
Your nonsense about morality was not in any way.
Ray Fischer
Rational people do not believe is magical beings taht they cannot
even describe. Rational people do not make demands that cannot be
met. Rational people do not resort to stupid lies that everybody can
see are lies.
In short, you are not rational.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
thomas p.
It is considered good practice to give credit for quotes.
It was rude to not even mention the "Magic 8 Ball" for the above.
bam
Right and 500 years ago, you wouldn't have believed in air, the roundness of
the earth, genes, vitamins, cells or atoms.
BAM
Ray Fischer
William Smith
> "William Smith" <smi...@truth.gov.oc> wrote in message
> news:heeel7$8cf$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> bam wrote:
>>> "William Smith" <smi...@truth.gov.oc> wrote in message
>>> news:heai9b$lke$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> J wrote:
>>>>> With the exception of that small minority of people who support
>>>>> 'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
>>>>> guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these
>>>>> confusing times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=4640
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> US bishops issue pastoral letter on marriage, condemn contraception,
>>>>> homosexual unions
>>>>>
>>>> These individuals who are prohibited from being married or even having
>>>> sex (with or without contraception) have no business advising others
>>>> on family matters.
>>> Right. So unless you've murdered someone, you have no right to judge a
>>> murderer. Unless you've been a fat pig, you have no right to judge a
>>> glutton.
>>>
>> So, being married or having sex is something akin to murder - must
>> be judged, not advised upon.
>
> What an odd conclusion......
Nothing odd. Judging a murderer is one thing, giving people advise
on family matters is another thing.
>
>> If a Protestant pastor or a rabbi says "contraception is sinful, I never
>> use it with my wife" then he has a point. Catholic bishops do not.
>
> As opposed to??
>
As opposed to a married rabbi or a married Protestant or Orthodox priest.
Puck Greenman
...And that reply, pretty well confirms what you were saying, Ray.
Puck Greenman
>With the exception of that small minority of people who support
>'alternative' marriages, the overwhelming majority of Americans find
>guidance from these pastoral letters. Someone must lead in these confusing
>times, and the RCC has taken that mantel.
24%, is not an overwhelming majority.
It IS the percentage of catholics in America, but that is all.
bam
"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:25:54 -0500, "bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net>
> in alt.abortion with message-id
> evidence, repeatable and verifiable.
>
> Where is that evidence for your assertion?
Back up bubba. My point was gayray wouldn't have believed these things
without prior evidence. I think you both agree on that.
As far as evidence of God - you'll get your evidence in the next life.
BAM
bam
"William Smith" <smi...@truth.gov.oc> wrote in message
Right. Of course, if priests *were* married, you still wouldn't listen to
them. So stop bullsh_tting.
BAM
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
So, you know you have nothing at all except empty claims.
Free Lunch
<dubh_...@hotmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
Of course not all Catholics think their bishops write anything worth
listening to. The arrogance of the Catholic bishops in America is
breathtaking and is offensive to the laity as well as those who are not
Catholic.
Ray Fischer
The Chief Instigator
Bryan's never shown much, if any, reasoning in the years he's been a Usenet
punching bag.
--
Patrick L. "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Houston 1, Hamilton 0 (November 25)
NEXT GAME: Friday, November 27 at Syracuse, 6:05
Puck Greenman
I suppose it is because, when he visits a country, every comes out to get pictures of the
old bloke in the long dress, the Ruby slippers, and the Easter parade hat, so they assume
that people give a damn about what he has to say.
bam
If you consider the universe and all life within it an empty claim, then
you're beyond help.
BAM
bam
"The Chief Instigator" <pat...@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhgrtg5....@eris.io.com...
Just doin' my job, M'am.
BAM
Ray Fischer
If you think that the universe is proof of any crackpot idea that you
can come up with then you really are stupid.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Puck Greenman
Until you can show that your god, is the only way that the universe could have come into
being, the universe is NOT evidence for anything except it's own existence.
The Chief Instigator
You're doing it execrably. Your stupidity is a constant.
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
I've seen a lot of supposed Christians claim that the universe and all
life within it is evidence for God, but they have always neglected to
show their work. Are you just like everyone else, making sweeping
unsupportable statements or do you actually have a chain of evidence and
logic to show that God had something to do with it?