Making Abstinence Work

[J]

If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:



1. Examine your decision to be abstinent. You should know why you made
your decision.

2. You should have enough confidence in your decision so that no one can
change your mind.

3. Acknowledge responsibility for your body and what you do with it.
Know that you can control yourself.

4. Don't give yourself excuses or ways out, like "I'll be abstinent
unless I meet someone really special."

5. Try to date people who share and understand your views in life.
Be realistic about your future with someone. Just because you think
you'll marry them now doesn't mean you will.

6. If you slip up, don't throw in the towel. Look at each day as another
chance to meet the challenge you've set for yourself.

7. Always keep in mind that abstinence is not forever. You are just
holding out now for something better in the future. It'll be worth it.











--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

[Mitchell Holman]

J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote in news:5gn3gt....@news.alt.net:

Let's see a show of hands from the politicians pushing
abstinence who were themselves abstinate before marriage.

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On 2012-Mar-26 11:53, J wrote:
>
> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
> steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:

[snip - proselytizing with assumptive selling tactics]

Is this just another attempt to force your corrupt moral views on others
again?

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."
-- Victor Stenger

[MarkA]

Deciding that you're going to be abstinent until marriage is fine when
you're sitting in your church youth group meeting, but when that special
someone gives you that special smile, it becomes a whole different story....

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:44 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
>
>If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
>steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:

If the Playmate of the Year walked up to you, rubbed her tits on
your chest and fondled your tiny balls, what would you do?

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[linuxgal]

MarkA wrote:

>
> Deciding that you're going to be abstinent until marriage is fine when
> you're sitting in your church youth group meeting, but when that special
> someone gives you that special smile, it becomes a whole different story....
>

The eyes have it.

[panamfloyd@hotmail.com rade]

On Mar 26, 8:23 pm, kni...@baawa.com wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:44 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
> >steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:
>
>    If the Playmate of the Year walked up to you, rubbed her tits on
> your chest and fondled your tiny balls, what would you do?
>
> Warlord Steve
> BAAWA

Hey, it's ol' Jonny Young. He'd probably recoil in fear & disgust.

Damn shame he wouldn't take the walk down to the little bar where he
could find some happiness.

https://my.psychologytoday.com/files/u47/Henry_et_al.pdf

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://www.rationalist.com.au/archive/73/p20-27_paul_ar73_web.pdf

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:39:12 -0700 (PDT), "panam...@hotmail.com
rade" <panam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 26, 8:23 pm, kni...@baawa.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:44 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
>> >steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:
>>
>>    If the Playmate of the Year walked up to you, rubbed her tits on
>> your chest and fondled your tiny balls, what would you do?
>>
>> Warlord Steve
>> BAAWA
>
>Hey, it's ol' Jonny Young. He'd probably recoil in fear & disgust.

He'd whine that he couldn't find the staple in her navel.

[SkyEyes]

On Mar 26, 2:26 pm, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"

<godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-26 11:53, J wrote:
>
> > If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
> > steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:
>
> [snip - proselytizing with assumptive selling tactics]
>
> Is this just another attempt to force your corrupt moral views on others
> again?

Let's see: that would be a big, fat, resounding "YES!!!!!"

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[SkyEyes]

On Mar 26, 5:23 pm, kni...@baawa.com wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:44 -0700, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> >If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
> >steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:
>
>    If the Playmate of the Year walked up to you, rubbed her tits on
> your chest and fondled your tiny balls, what would you do?

Come in his pants, no doubt.

[John Baker]

That's something I don't think IBen will ever have to deal with. <G>


>
>Warlord Steve
>BAAWA

[W.T.S.]

In article <5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...

>
> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
> steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:

And about becoming a parent before you are married. Abstinence equals
unwanted children.

>
> 1. Examine your decision to be abstinent. You should know why you made
> your decision.

Usually, stupidity.

>
> 2. You should have enough confidence in your decision so that no one can
> change your mind.

Right up to the time your bastard child is delivered.

>
> 3. Acknowledge responsibility for your body and what you do with it.
> Know that you can control yourself.

Keep telling yourself that, all the way to the delivery room.

>
> 4. Don't give yourself excuses or ways out, like "I'll be abstinent
> unless I meet someone really special."

You'll feel less guilt as you deliver your unwanted bastard child.

>
> 5. Try to date people who share and understand your views in life.
> Be realistic about your future with someone. Just because you think
> you'll marry them now doesn't mean you will.

No, they won't marry you even if you have the bastard child.

>
> 6. If you slip up, don't throw in the towel. Look at each day as another
> chance to meet the challenge you've set for yourself.

It'll make it easier to slip up the next time.

>
> 7. Always keep in mind that abstinence is not forever. You are just
> holding out now for something better in the future. It'll be worth it.

And, you'll have your bastard child much sooner.
>

Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

...unless there's a foot fetish involved.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Physics is like sex -- sure, it may give some practical results, but
that's not why we do it."
-- Richard P. Feynman

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

That's certainly good news for the Playmates.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Religion is the original war crime."
-- Michelle Malkin (2005)

[J]

Here's your opportunity, John boy. Share with everyone your experience
with a Playboy Playmate of the Year........



>
>
>>
>> Warlord Steve
>> BAAWA





--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

Why not ask Darwin Bedford, a Spiritual Reality Therapist who was with
two Playboy Playmates at the Playboy Mansion?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Darwin-Bedford/100000658062353

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"My calculations show that even if God dedicated all of his time meeting
the dead, you would only get to meet him for half of one second. There
are 56 million deaths occurring annually and only 32 million seconds in
a year."
-- Darwin Bedford, Ambassador of Reason ("The Pope is Humpty Dumpty")

[J]

On 3/27/2012 9:56 PM, Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-27 20:53, J wrote:
>> On 3/26/2012 11:43 PM, John Baker wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:23:14 -0700, kni...@baawa.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:44 -0700, J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the
>>>>> following
>>>>> steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:
>>>>
>>>> If the Playmate of the Year walked up to you, rubbed her tits on
>>>> your chest and fondled your tiny balls, what would you do?
>>>
>>> That's something I don't think IBen will ever have to deal with.<G>
>>
>> Here's your opportunity, John boy. Share with everyone your experience
>> with a Playboy Playmate of the Year........
>
> Why not ask Darwin Bedford, a Spiritual Reality Therapist who was with
> two Playboy Playmates at the Playboy Mansion?
>
> http://www.facebook.com/people/Darwin-Bedford/100000658062353
>

Because Darwin Bedford didn't post a comment on Usenet insinuating he
had what it takes to have sex with a Playmate; John-boy Baker did. Now
he has a chance to share with everyone, or he can run away again like
the little fag he is.




--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

[J]

On 3/27/2012 4:10 AM, W.T.S. wrote:
> In article<5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
>>
>> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage,

What part of that statement is it that you don't understand?



--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

John Baker didn't make that insinuation either as I recall, as revealed
in the quoted text above, all he wrote was "That's something I don't

think IBen will ever have to deal with.<G>"

I also don't see how any of this has anything to do with his sexual
orientation (and it's also not clear why it's important), or was calling
him "the little fag" intended as an ad hominem attack (which wouldn't be
helpful to your position)?

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"All belief systems ossify over time."
-- Morton Lucifer

[W.T.S.]

In article <5gqs9j....@news.alt.net>, jdyo...@ymail.com says...

> On 3/27/2012 4:10 AM, W.T.S. wrote:
> > In article<5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
> >>
> >> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage,
>
> What part of that statement is it that you don't understand?

The part where you're so stupid as to actually believe that abstinence
works.

[Les Hellawell]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:14:53 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>On 3/27/2012 4:10 AM, W.T.S. wrote:
>> In article<5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
>>>
>>> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage,
>
>
>What part of that statement is it that you don't understand?

1. The need for it.

2. That you think anybody will take lessons from the most
corrupt and immoral institite the world as yet seen.

The RCC long ago lost the right to lecture others on
what it regards as moral or immoral, not that it ever merited
any in the first place as champions of ignorance
and superstition



Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The county of broad Acres

"It is absurd self delusion for theist and
theist-agnostics to claim that they alone should
judge atheists by their self-defining, self-serving,
propaganda, rather than the REAL WORLD actions and
consequences of atheism throughout history."

[John Baker]

I'm not the self-loathing closet gay here, IBen. You are.

And I insinuated nothing. I merely pointed out the obvious. At issue
here, IBen, is not whether I have ever had any sort of sexual contact
with a Playmate of the Year, but rather, whether there exists even the
remotest possibility that *you* ever could. Most who've had any
dealings with you would probably agree the answer to that question is
a resounding no, assuming the playmate in question has a scintilla of
self respect.

And if you and the POTY of your choice were the last living humans on
the planet and she was horny enough to hump a broomstick, the answer
would very likely still be no.

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

On 2012-Mar-28 01:01, Les Hellawell wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:14:53 -0700, J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/27/2012 4:10 AM, W.T.S. wrote:
>>> In article<5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
>>>>
>>>> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage,
>>
>> What part of that statement is it that you don't understand?
>
> 1. The need for it.
>
> 2. That you think anybody will take lessons from the most
> corrupt and immoral institite the world as yet seen.
>
> The RCC long ago lost the right to lecture others on
> what it regards as moral or immoral, not that it ever merited
> any in the first place as champions of ignorance
> and superstition

...and they use their obscene riches (obscene because they are mostly
donated by the poor) as a crutch to support the illusion that they have
this authority to oppress.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."
-- Benjamin Franklin

[Alan Ferris]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:14:53 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>On 3/27/2012 4:10 AM, W.T.S. wrote:
>> In article<5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
>>>
>>> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage,
>
>
>What part of that statement is it that you don't understand?

What part of "if" do you not understand? Do you claim to be perfect.

--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

[Patrick]

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" wrote in

>> The RCC long ago lost the right to lecture others on
>> what it regards as moral or immoral, not that it ever merited
>> any in the first place as champions of ignorance
>> and superstition
>
> ...and they use their obscene riches (obscene because they are mostly
> donated by the poor) as a crutch to support the illusion that they have
> this authority to oppress.

Gosh, where do you get your material?
From chick tracts?

[John Baker]

I've actually never even met a Playmate of the Year, although when I
was a young man <mumble> years ago, I did know a Playmate of the Month
pretty well. She was dating the booking agent that handled my band at
the time. She was a year or two older than I was, and a very nice
girl. Down to earth, smart, funny and even more attractive in person
than she was in her Playboy spread. In short, the kind of girl who
wouldn't give a misogynistic pig like IBen the time of day. <G>

>
>I also don't see how any of this has anything to do with his sexual
>orientation (and it's also not clear why it's important), or was calling
>him "the little fag" intended as an ad hominem attack (which wouldn't be
>helpful to your position)?

Ad homs are all IBen has, since he most certainly doesn't have the
facts on his side.

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

Material for what? I'm not building anything right now.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion
in it."
-- John Adams

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

Playboy is one of those magazine publications that actually makes a
strong effort to depict women with class and dignity, a sort of
celebracy so-to-speak, which is a rarity in the pornography industry.

When we become aware of the meaningful qualities in other people, it is
natural for us to find them more attractive. This seems to be a
challenge more for men than for women, and so when men exhibit this
trait I really enjoy it.

>> I also don't see how any of this has anything to do with his sexual
>> orientation (and it's also not clear why it's important), or was calling
>> him "the little fag" intended as an ad hominem attack (which wouldn't be
>> helpful to your position)?
>
> Ad homs are all IBen has, since he most certainly doesn't have the
> facts on his side.

I hope that someday he'll see the wisdom of allowing one's mind to soar
in the void of the absence of belief in that which has not been proven
with verifiable evidence ... and progress accordingly. The more he
banters with us atheists, the better chance there is that he'll be
influenced by the clarity we often share so freely.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"The big problem with you bigots is that you lie so much and all the
time you cannot see when someone is telling the truth."
-- Ram Rod, Sword of Baal (March 4, 2012; responding to a bigot)

[John Baker]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:27:14 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent

He's been trolling alt.atheism for years. If anything he's even more
closed-minded now than he was at the beginning. I'm afraid there's no
hope for him.

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:44 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

>
>
>If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
>steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:

One of the glaringly obvious failures of religion is controlling
human sexuality. Despite your manic obsession with sex in any form,
you are ignored at large by the general population, including the
religious you count as believers.

It's on the same par as fighting evolution. Evolution is entirely
about reproduction. It is the most base instinct for ALL life. Yet you
superstitious think you're more powerful than instinct. With a few
magic words evolutionary pressure is nullified.

FAIL

We need to teach humans how to fuck without getting pregnant. But
because of you religious mental retards, nothing intelligent gets done
about it. In the same vein as the RCC spreading AIDS because they
forbid condoms.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

His brain's imploding? That's terrible. Maybe there's still hope if
one of the clever doctors around here can turn back the biological clock
for his pituitary gland to trigger some localized growth.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but
have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called
religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the
world so far as our science can reveal it."
-- Dr. Albert Einstein

[Alex W.]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:47:26 -0700, kni...@baawa.com wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:53:44 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage, the following
>>steps can help you feel more confident about your decision:
>
> One of the glaringly obvious failures of religion is controlling
> human sexuality. Despite your manic obsession with sex in any form,
> you are ignored at large by the general population, including the
> religious you count as believers.

I don't think it's as simple as you make it out to be.

Yes, the attempts to deny biological reality by imposing a
religiously determined sexuality on the faithful was always
destined to fail. Genes don't care about god.

On the other hand, the attempts to control the expression of
sexuality have been and continue to be all-pervasive, not to say
wildly successful. From dress codes to nudity laws to zoning
ordinances to TV programming to the way magazines are sorted on
newsagency shelves to general social attitudes and morality about
anything sexual, the dead hand of religion is ubiquitous. The
fact that Catholic couples mostly disregard papal bans on birth
control, that Southern Bible Belt teenagers are more likely to
have premarital (or even underage) sex and pregnancy does not
contradict this.

[duke]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:43:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>On 2012-Mar-28 01:01, Les Hellawell wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:14:53 -0700, J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2012 4:10 AM, W.T.S. wrote:
>>>> In article<5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage,
>>>
>>> What part of that statement is it that you don't understand?
>>
>> 1. The need for it.
>>
>> 2. That you think anybody will take lessons from the most
>> corrupt and immoral institite the world as yet seen.
>>
>> The RCC long ago lost the right to lecture others on
>> what it regards as moral or immoral, not that it ever merited
>> any in the first place as champions of ignorance
>> and superstition

>...and they use their obscene riches (obscene because they are mostly
>donated by the poor) as a crutch to support the illusion that they have
>this authority to oppress.

What obscene riches? Most of the donations are solicited on the basis of and
fully distributed to the needy of the world.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/12/21/70001/index.htm
COVER STORY THE VATICAN'S FINANCES This venerable institution, its bureaucracy
swollen and its image hurt by scandal, is strapped for cash. Pope John Paul II
is pressing his cardinals to find a solution.

By Shawn Tully REPORTER ASSOCIATE Marta F. Dorion
December 21, 1987

Heeheehee

duke, American - American

*****
1 John 3:4-6
4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact,
sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he
appeared so that he might take away our sins.
And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in
him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to
sin has either seen him or known him.
*****

[duke]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:18:16 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>On 2012-Mar-28 09:43, Patrick wrote:
>> "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" wrote in
>>>> The RCC long ago lost the right to lecture others on
>>>> what it regards as moral or immoral, not that it ever merited
>>>> any in the first place as champions of ignorance
>>>> and superstition
>>>
>>> ...and they use their obscene riches (obscene because they are mostly
>>> donated by the poor) as a crutch to support the illusion that they have
>>> this authority to oppress.
>>
>> Gosh, where do you get your material?
>> From chick tracts?
>
>Material for what? I'm not building anything right now.

SWOOSH - right over your head.

[Patrick]

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com>
wrote in message news:Q_Mcr.22879$fj7....@newsfe20.iad...

> On 2012-Mar-28 09:43, Patrick wrote:
>> "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" wrote in
>>>> The RCC long ago lost the right to lecture others on
>>>> what it regards as moral or immoral, not that it ever merited
>>>> any in the first place as champions of ignorance
>>>> and superstition
>>>
>>> ...and they use their obscene riches (obscene because they are mostly
>>> donated by the poor) as a crutch to support the illusion that they have
>>> this authority to oppress.
>>
>> Gosh, where do you get your material?
>> From chick tracts?
>
> Material for what? I'm not building anything right now.

Ahhh. I installed a new mailbox yesterday.

[W.T.S.]

In article <j4i8n71v09482bsp9...@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...

> On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 08:43:08 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2012-Mar-28 01:01, Les Hellawell wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:14:53 -0700, J<jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 3/27/2012 4:10 AM, W.T.S. wrote:
> >>>> In article<5gn3gt....@news.alt.net>, Jerk...@Liar.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you're committed to abstaining from sex until marriage,
> >>>
> >>> What part of that statement is it that you don't understand?
> >>
> >> 1. The need for it.
> >>
> >> 2. That you think anybody will take lessons from the most
> >> corrupt and immoral institite the world as yet seen.
> >>
> >> The RCC long ago lost the right to lecture others on
> >> what it regards as moral or immoral, not that it ever merited
> >> any in the first place as champions of ignorance
> >> and superstition
>
> >...and they use their obscene riches (obscene because they are mostly
> >donated by the poor) as a crutch to support the illusion that they have
> >this authority to oppress.
>
> What obscene riches? Most of the donations are solicited on the basis of and
> fully distributed to the needy of the world.

Let than a dime on the dollar of donations to the Church go to charity.
The bulk goes to the Vatican to support a wasteful life style and
bloated staff of Cardinals.

>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/12/21/70001/index.htm
> COVER STORY THE VATICAN'S FINANCES This venerable institution, its bureaucracy
> swollen and its image hurt by scandal, is strapped for cash. Pope John Paul II
> is pressing his cardinals to find a solution.
>
> By Shawn Tully REPORTER ASSOCIATE Marta F. Dorion
> December 21, 1987
>

> HeeHawHeeHawHeeHaw
>
> duke, Donkey.

[John Baker]

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:10:27 -0700, J <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

And by the way, IBen ... it probably isn't wise to accuse me of
running away in a newsgroup where so many can bear witness to the
numerous ass whippings I've handed you.

[Mike Painter]

Let us not have a blanket condemnation of religion.
As Pete Seeger sang,

"Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
It's good enough for me.

We will pray with Aphrodite,
We will pray with Aphrodite,
She wears that see-through nightie,
And it's good enough for me.
...


We will pray with those old druids,
They drink fermented fluids,
Waltzing naked though the woo-ids,
And it's good enough for me."

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

Nice! Does yours have a little flag on it too?

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is
the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is
a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is
as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
-- Dr. Albert Einstein

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

Smart business people run profitable businesses, and those business
people who are even smarter act like they are strapped for cash to be
even more profitable.

How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Anybody who has studied the fate of empires, and the difficulties of
establishing territorial jurisdiction over communities that differ in
religion, language, and marital customs, knows that the task is all but
impossible, and threatens constantly to break down in fragmentation,
tribalism, or civil war."
-- Professor Roger Scruton

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

Those nighties are very comfortable.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
-- The Poetic Edda

[Patrick]

"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" < wrote

> How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?

Not that much.
Now, if you are talking about the various dioceses,
that is a different story.
The Catholic Church has numerous assets, including a vast amount of real
estate. It owns more land globally than any other organization on the
planet, but trophy properties like Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York
City produce little income, cost a considerable amount of money to maintain
and will certainly not be "flipped" for a profit. And don't expect the
church's opulent basilicas, its museum-quality art collection or jewelry to
hit the market either. They may amount to priceless ancient treasures, but
the church values most of its artwork and valuables at just 1 euro, so they
will never be sold.

What's more, most companies have the luxury of selling off unprofitable
divisions, but not the Catholic Church. And unlike ordinary corporations,
the church's main revenue source comes from parishioner contributions.

Two of the larger parishes in the Dayton area pull in $20,000 each week, but
their expenses take every penny for school. teacher salaries, overhead, and
upkeep. Priests themseves get a small stipend of a salary.

[Alex W.]

OK, where's the nearest temple.
I feel the need to worship.

[duke]

Stupid ass wanker can't even read the truth. You would expect this of one that
would murder 3 of her own children.

>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/12/21/70001/index.htm
>> COVER STORY THE VATICAN'S FINANCES This venerable institution, its bureaucracy
>> swollen and its image hurt by scandal, is strapped for cash. Pope John Paul II
>> is pressing his cardinals to find a solution.
>>
>> By Shawn Tully REPORTER ASSOCIATE Marta F. Dorion
>> December 21, 1987
>>
>> HeeHawHeeHawHeeHaw

[duke]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:29:32 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist

The article speaks for itself.

>How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?

109 acres estimated.

[duke]

On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:48:44 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:

>"Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess" < wrote
>> How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?
>
>Not that much.
>Now, if you are talking about the various dioceses,
>that is a different story.
>The Catholic Church has numerous assets, including a vast amount of real
>estate.

Each church parish is on privately held land owned by the parish itself and
administered by the diocese.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:29:32 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
>> How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?
>
> 109 acres estimated.
>

You forgot the other 177 million acres. Only the sovereigns of the KSA
and UK have more land.

http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1

[Alan Ferris]

On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:40:35 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:

>Stupid ass wanker

2073 Obedience to the Commandments also implies obligations in
matter which is, in itself, light. Thus abusive language is forbidden
by the fifth commandment, but would be a grave offense only as a
result of circumstances or the offender's intention.

=========================
"Secondly, I *never* lied to my priest." - Earl
====

Well, he told me that it was his understanding that you would not be
posting here anymore. If you didn't lie to him outright, you certainly
deceived him.

No, it was not Andy, at least not when I called Fr. Vu. And I don't
have to lie to say I am a priest in good standing, I *am* a priest in
good standing. I tried six ways from Sunday to explain to you why you
ought not post here. I tried an appeal from Christian Charity. I tried
an appeal from good manners. I tried an appeal simply from what is
*right.*

You weren't having any of it.

You embarrass me, Earl. If the Church were even halfway what your
example presents it to be, I'd have left a long time ago.

And as for that nonsense about how you "listen to priests who are in
good standing," I think we all know by now (participants and lurkers
alike) the true value of ANY statement you make.

Rob (a.k.a The Rev. Robert M. Dye, Diocese of Tulsa, Oklahoma)
=============================
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=35AD7A9D.233F%40writeme.com&output=gplain

[Patrick]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
news:QK6dneeujY2gNejS...@giganews.com...

C'mon now............
The Vatican does not have title to 177 million acres.
Nor does Queen Elizabeth own Canada......
Gimme a break.

[duke]

The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual parish is
its own separate public juridic person.

Would you like to try again to remove your embarrassment?

[BroilJAB]

No sane man actually marries
a woman who has been a whore.
John Kennedy had an amusing analysis,
Saying that he did not want to marry
a woman who would compare his wooing
with countless others before him.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:28:42 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:

>On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:29:32 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>>> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?
>>>
>>> 109 acres estimated.
>>>
>>
>>You forgot the other 177 million acres. Only the sovereigns of the KSA
>>and UK have more land.
>>
>>http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1
>
>The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
>parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual parish is
>its own separate public juridic person.

Each parish is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the diocese. The bishop, as
CEO of the diocese, can close, merge, sell, or otherwise do whatever he
wants with everything in the diocese. No one in the parish, not even the
council, has any legal right to say anything about what the bishop does.
Each diocese is under control, directly or indirectly, of the Vatican.

>Would you like to try again to remove your embarrassment?

Why would I be embarrassed that you are wrong, again?

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>
> The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
> parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual parish is
> its own separate public juridic person.
>

And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking
lot to the city to become a softball field? He gets sacked by the
bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets
recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.

[SkyEyes]

On Mar 31, 9:22 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

 And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him?  He gets
> recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.

Figurative or literal?

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

The lucky ones merely get ex-communicated.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Screw you guys! I'm going home."
-- Eric Theodore Cartman

[elizabeth]

On Mar 31, 8:38 am, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 9:22 am, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>   And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him?  He gets
>
> > recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.

Uh, I don't think that would be considered *punishment* for a lot of
'em . ...

[duke]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:36:29 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:28:42 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
>alt.atheism:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>>duke wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:29:32 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>>>> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How much real estate do you think the Vatican actually has title to?
>>>>
>>>> 109 acres estimated.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You forgot the other 177 million acres. Only the sovereigns of the KSA
>>>and UK have more land.
>>>
>>>http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1
>>
>>The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
>>parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual parish is
>>its own separate public juridic person.

>Each parish is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the diocese. The bishop, as
>CEO of the diocese, can close, merge, sell, or otherwise do whatever he
>wants with everything in the diocese. No one in the parish, not even the
>council, has any legal right to say anything about what the bishop does.

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=20357
HUNTINGTON, Ind. (Our Sunday Visitor) ? Who owns your local parish: The members
of the parish or your bishop? According to the Catholic Church (and its canon
laws dating back a millennium or so), the answer is the parishioners.

While the bishop's name usually appears on parish-property deeds and while the
bishop can close or suppress a parish, he technically does not own it. Rather he
holds it in trust for the parishioners, who paid for its construction and
continue to pay for its operation.

Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with that answer. Across the country a
growing number of plaintiffs' attorneys are working to convince the courts of
just the opposite.

Heeheehee.

[duke]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:22:21 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>duke wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
>> parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual parish is
>> its own separate public juridic person.

>And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking
>lot to the city to become a softball field?

The deed is not in his name.

> He gets sacked by the
>bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets
>recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=20357
HUNTINGTON, Ind. (Our Sunday Visitor) ? Who owns your local parish: The members
of the parish or your bishop? According to the Catholic Church (and its canon
laws dating back a millennium or so), the answer is the parishioners.

While the bishop's name usually appears on parish-property deeds and while the
bishop can close or suppress a parish, he technically does not own it. Rather he
holds it in trust for the parishioners, who paid for its construction and
continue to pay for its operation.

Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with that answer. Across the country a
growing number of plaintiffs' attorneys are working to convince the courts of
just the opposite.

[duke]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:29:42 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:

>On 2012-Mar-31 09:22, linuxgal wrote:
>> duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
>>> parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual
>>> parish is its own separate public juridic person.
>>
>> And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking
>> lot to the city to become a softball field? He gets sacked by the
>> bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets
>> recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.

>The lucky ones merely get ex-communicated.

Excommunication is easy to remedy in a good repentant confession.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:29:42 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
> goddess" <god...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2012-Mar-31 09:22, linuxgal wrote:
>>> duke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
>>>> parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual
>>>> parish is its own separate public juridic person.
>>> And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking
>>> lot to the city to become a softball field? He gets sacked by the
>>> bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets
>>> recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.
>
>> The lucky ones merely get ex-communicated.
>
> Excommunication is easy to remedy in a good repentant confession.
>

Exactly. All they have to do is confess that they were wrong to assume
the Vatican did not own the land, and all is forgiven.

[linuxgal]

duke wrote:
>
> http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=20357
> HUNTINGTON, Ind. (Our Sunday Visitor) ? Who owns your local parish: The members
> of the parish or your bishop? According to the Catholic Church (and its canon
> laws dating back a millennium or so), the answer is the parishioners.
>

Yes, that's called a firewall. Michael Corleone used similar buffers
in Godfather II. But when the Vatican wanted to remodel St. Thomas
from old school to "in the round" we had no say in the matter.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:39:50 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in

The bishop owns it supposedly in trust, but he refuses to let the parish
ever make any decisions for itself. A parish that refuses to merge or to
continue to be part of the RCC because of the evils that the bishops
have done will soon find that they do not have the building.

>Heeheehee.

Read what it says: The bishop's name appears. He controls it. He is
allegedly the trustee, but that means that no one in the parish can do
anything about the parish that he does not want. He is absolute dictator
of every parish in his diocese.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:40:32 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in
alt.atheism:

>On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:22:21 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>
>>duke wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
>>> parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual parish is
>>> its own separate public juridic person.
>
>>And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking
>>lot to the city to become a softball field?
>
>The deed is not in his name.
>
>> He gets sacked by the
>>bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets
>>recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.
>
>http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=20357
>HUNTINGTON, Ind. (Our Sunday Visitor) ? Who owns your local parish: The members
>of the parish or your bishop? According to the Catholic Church (and its canon
>laws dating back a millennium or so), the answer is the parishioners.
>
>While the bishop's name usually appears on parish-property deeds and while the
>bishop can close or suppress a parish, he technically does not own it. Rather he
>holds it in trust for the parishioners, who paid for its construction and
>continue to pay for its operation.
>
>Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with that answer. Across the country a
>growing number of plaintiffs' attorneys are working to convince the courts of
>just the opposite.

The slick part of the alleged trust is that it allows the bishop to put
the diocese into bankruptcy without having to hand over any parish
property. The bishop has power but no responsibility. It's the worst
form of corruption.

[Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess]

Hell, they'll even forgive mass murderers on their death beds.

--

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

[duke]

I just showed you where he does not own the parish. Are you blind?

> A parish that refuses to merge or to
>continue to be part of the RCC because of the evils that the bishops
>have done will soon find that they do not have the building.

What a stupid comment.

>>Heeheehee.

>Read what it says: The bishop's name appears. He controls it. He is
>allegedly the trustee, but that means that no one in the parish can do
>anything about the parish that he does not want. He is absolute dictator
>of every parish in his diocese.

I read what it says including in other documents. You're showing your ass as
usual.

[duke]

The Vatican does not own my parish, the structure, or the land the structure is
on. The Vicar of Christ is an administrative deputy job.

[duke]

You wear sagging pants like your brothers, don't you.

[Seth lePod]

On Apr 1, 4:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:29:42 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>

> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
> >On 2012-Mar-31 09:22, linuxgal wrote:
> >> duke wrote:

> >>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com>

> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
> >>> parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual
> >>> parish is its own separate public juridic person.
>
> >> And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking
> >> lot to the city to become a softball field? He gets sacked by the
> >> bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets
> >> recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.
> >The lucky ones merely get ex-communicated.
>

duke:

> Excommunication is easy to remedy in a good repentant confession.

Not unlike yelling after your mugger as he flees down
the street "HEY! YOU FORGOT MY WATCH!"

Seth

[duke]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:32:30 -0700 (PDT), Seth lePod <v.infe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Apr 1, 4:41 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:29:42 -0700, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist
>>
>> goddess" <godd...@fidemturbare.com> wrote:
>> >On 2012-Mar-31 09:22, linuxgal wrote:
>> >> duke wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 05:32:19 -0800, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>> The Vatican doesn't own that land. The grounds and structure of my Church
>> >>> parish is owned by the Parish as a taxable entity. Each individual
>> >>> parish is its own separate public juridic person.
>>
>> >> And what happens when a parish priest sells his church overflow parking
>> >> lot to the city to become a softball field? He gets sacked by the
>> >> bishop. And what happens if the bishop doesn't sack him? He gets
>> >> recalled to the Vatican for a butt reaming.
>> >The lucky ones merely get ex-communicated.
>>
>duke:
>> Excommunication is easy to remedy in a good repentant confession.

>Not unlike yelling after your mugger as he flees down
>the street "HEY! YOU FORGOT MY WATCH!"

It sounds like it's totally unlike that.

[linuxgal]

Who woos a whore?

--
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java the thoughts acquire speed,
The hands acquire shaking,
The shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

http://www.cleanposts.com

[Smiler]

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:31:09 -0700, linuxgal wrote:

> BroilJAB wrote:
>> No sane man actually marries
>> a woman who has been a whore.
>> John Kennedy had an amusing analysis, Saying that he did not want to
>> marry
>> a woman who would compare his wooing
>> with countless others before him.
>
> Who woos a whore?

Those with more money than sense!

--
Smiler,

The godless one. a.a.# 2279

All gods are tailored to order. They're made to

exactly fit the prejudices of their believers.

[linuxgal]

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:
> On 2012-Mar-26 19:57, linuxgal wrote:
>> MarkA wrote:
>>
>>> Deciding that you're going to be abstinent until marriage is fine when
>>> you're sitting in your church youth group meeting, but when that special
>>> someone gives you that special smile, it becomes a whole different
>>> story....
>>
>> The eyes have it.
>
> ...unless there's a foot fetish involved.
>

Only in Tarantino movies.

--
Monopolistic Ignominious Corporation Resolute On Squeezing Out Fair Trade

[Frank Galikanokus]

Abstinence hasn't worked for thousands of years.

What makes you think it will work now?

JAM

[SkyEyes]

On Nov 3, 12:39 pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
wrote:

It won't work - it never has, and it never *will*. It doesn't even
work in countries or cultures where they cut off your head or stone
you to death for having premarital sex. The drive is just too strong.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist

[Smiler]

On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:05:51 -0700, SkyEyes wrote:

> On Nov 3, 12:39�pm, Frank Galikanokus <FrankGalikano...@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>> linuxgal wrote:
>>
>> > Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess wrote:
>> > > On 2012-Mar-26 19:57, linuxgal wrote:
>> > >> MarkA wrote:
>>
>> > >>> Deciding that you're going to be abstinent until marriage is fine
>> > >>> when you're sitting in your church youth group meeting, but when
>> > >>> that special someone gives you that special smile, it becomes a
>> > >>> whole different story....
>>
>> > >> The eyes have it.
>>
>> > > ...unless there's a foot fetish involved.
>>
>> > Only in Tarantino movies.
>>
>> > --
>> > Monopolistic Ignominious Corporation Resolute On Squeezing Out Fair
>> > Trade
>>
>> Abstinence hasn't worked for thousands of years.
>>
>> What makes you think it will work now?
>
> It won't work - it never has, and it never *will*. It doesn't even work
> in countries or cultures where they cut off your head or stone you to
> death for having premarital sex. The drive is just too strong.

But in those countries there are no unmarried mothers...
<runs, ducks and hides>