Am I allowed to pepper spray jehovah's witnesses?

[Father Haskell]

Don't ask why.

[Jeanne Douglas]

On Nov 29, 3:46 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask why.

Just claim self-defense.

JD

[Mike Lovell]

On 2011-11-29, Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask why.

If you clearly display on the edge of your property a sign
saying "any unauthorized entry will result in the use of
pepper spray" then I'd say go for it.

Or of course if they do not leave your property promptly when asked.

--
Jews, Christians & Muslims
The content of your posts will show how much you
really believe God is looking over your shoulder

[Mike Duffy]

Mike Lovell <mike....@null.local> wrote in
news:slrnjdavpl.kf...@usenet.home.b0h0.com:

> On 2011-11-29, Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Don't ask why.
>
> If you clearly display on the edge of your property a sign
> saying "any unauthorized entry will result in the use of
> pepper spray" then I'd say go for it.
>
> Or of course if they do not leave your property promptly when asked.

If someone refuses to leave your property, you are supposed to call the
police and have them charged with trespassing. If you assault them, you can
be charged unless you can convince the judge that you feared for your
safety.

Or do you live in Texas?

--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm

[Mike Lovell]

On 2011-11-30, Mike Duffy <Use_guest...@website.in.sig> wrote:
>>> Don't ask why.
>>
>> If you clearly display on the edge of your property a sign
>> saying "any unauthorized entry will result in the use of
>> pepper spray" then I'd say go for it.
>>
>> Or of course if they do not leave your property promptly when asked.
>
> If someone refuses to leave your property, you are supposed to call the
> police and have them charged with trespassing. If you assault them, you can
> be charged unless you can convince the judge that you feared for your
> safety.
>
> Or do you live in Texas?

I'm not so sure about that. You can use reasonable force to remove a
trespasser. Pepper spray is non-lethal, it's used by the police for
trivial things. Why not?

If someone flat out refuses to leave your property then remove them. If
you don't want to risk injuring yourself while doing so (maybe they are
a lot larger than you) then incapacitating them somehow would seem like a
good option.

[Father Haskell]

What if I relabeled the container "holy water?"

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<5f29c9ad-4be3-4a2b...@i6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,

Perfect. You can tell them it was water and if it burns it means their
god hates them.

--
JD

"the lybian lier"

[L.Roberts]

On Nov 29, 6:46 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask why.

It's ok by me.

[L.Roberts]

On Nov 29, 10:06 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <5f29c9ad-4be3-4a2b-b6fa-8e5d19241...@i6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,

>  Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 29, 7:51 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 29, 3:46 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Don't ask why.
>
> > > Just claim self-defense.
>
> > > JD
>
> > What if I relabeled the container "holy water?"
>
> Perfect. You can tell them it was water and if it burns it means their
> god hates them.

Good one. : - )

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 29, 10:06 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article
> <5f29c9ad-4be3-4a2b-b6fa-8e5d19241...@i6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,

>  Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 29, 7:51 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 29, 3:46 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Don't ask why.
>
> > > Just claim self-defense.
>
> > > JD
>
> > What if I relabeled the container "holy water?"
>
> Perfect. You can tell them it was water and if it burns it means their
> god hates them.

Is DMT absorbable through skin?

[Mike Duffy]

Mike Lovell <mike....@null.local> wrote in

news:slrnjdb1i0.kf...@usenet.home.b0h0.com:

> Pepper spray is non-lethal, it's used by the police for
> trivial things. Why not?

Because they have received training to use it, and if they follow their
training, they (individually & corporately) are protected against
lawsuits for using unreasonable force.

> If someone flat out refuses to leave your property then remove them.

I can give you an actual case that happened to me. I owned property in
New Brunswick while I was living in Ontario. The property had a derelict
house. Potential tenants asked a relative about it, and were told that it
was not really habitable, but they could go in to inspect it (with intent
to come up with an agreement about who would pay to renovate what) and
that I would be down in a few weeks to do a roofing job to discuss it
with them.

When I got there, they had moved in all their stuff, papered and painted,
hooked up the electricity, and called the oil company to estimate the
cost of a new furnace. They claimed that they had a verbal contract to
rent the premises given through my relative acting as my "agent".

I am not sure, but I believe that they were attempting to use an old law
(intended to support long-term live-in hired help on a farm who had
invested in the property) to make it impossible to evict them.

I called the cops and the cops said that since the squatters had
permission to enter the house, I could not charge them with break-enter
or trespassing, and that it would be up to a civil court to determine if
they actually had a verbal rental contract. I would need to take them to
court in order to get an eviction notice, despite the fact that they did
not have a written tenancy agreement.

So, if I had used force to remove someone who flat out refused to leave
my property, I would be the one facing assault charges.


In case you're wondering, they left only after I made it clear to them
that I would not purchase a new furnace, and that they legally could not
install one.

> If you don't want to risk injuring yourself while doing so (maybe they
> are a lot larger than you) then incapacitating them somehow would seem
> like a good option.

Calling the cops is usually a better idea. A lot depends on the
particulars about why the intruder is there, if he is causing damage, and
what sort of a threat he presents. I am not a lawyer, and I suspect it
depends also on your jurisdiction.

--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm

[Mike Lovell]

On 2011-11-30, Mike Duffy <Use_guest...@website.in.sig> wrote:

>> Pepper spray is non-lethal, it's used by the police for
>> trivial things. Why not?
>
> Because they have received training to use it, and if they follow their
> training, they (individually & corporately) are protected against
> lawsuits for using unreasonable force.

It's a big *if*. Both with tazers and pepper spray.

As far as I knew they didn't get directly sued anyhow, the local
government has to pay out on the lawsuit, the worst they get is losing
their job.

Or jail or course if they are *really really* unlucky, but most of the
time they can do what the hell they like as long as they shout "STOP
RESISTING" enough times to the camera. That is if it doesn't
*malfunction* at a very convenient time.

> [...]

> So, if I had used force to remove someone who flat out refused to leave
> my property, I would be the one facing assault charges.

Understood, but that's a very different situation to someone refusing to
leave your property where you reside. Rather than dealing with
squatters.

> In case you're wondering, they left only after I made it clear to them
> that I would not purchase a new furnace, and that they legally could not
> install one.

I'd have let them but the furnace in with their own money *before* I
got them evicted! :-)

> Calling the cops is usually a better idea. A lot depends on the
> particulars about why the intruder is there, if he is causing damage, and
> what sort of a threat he presents. I am not a lawyer, and I suspect it
> depends also on your jurisdiction.

Well yes, it might well be a better option, and that's the option I
would take 99% of the time.

But you should be able to use reasonable force to remove someone from
your property who refuses to leave, if you decide to do so.

Once you've given them amble opportunity to comply with your lawful
request that they leave your property, remove them using whatever force
necessary.

If they don't wish to be removed from the properly forcefully they
should leave themselves!

A mans home is his castle.


If some Jehovah's witnesses came up my path and to my door and asked me
if I'd like to be saved, and I refused and asked them to leave, I'd
expect them to do so.

If they said "No, we're not moving from your door" I'd ask them again to
leave. If they refused I'd have no problem using pepper spray, a tazer
or any other non-lethal force to incapacitate them so I could move them
off my property.

[panamfloyd@hotmail.com rade]

On Nov 29, 6:46 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask why.

Eh, I don't have to.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<ac67f5d7-dd19-4424...@s4g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

Fankoo. Fankoo very much.

[John Locke]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:46:01 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
<father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Don't ask why.
>

Don't need to. Here's a little recipe for you:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-pepper-spray/

you will need:

1. Chili peppers (as they seem to be the hottest)
2. Black, tabletop pepper, added for coughing effect
3. Water
4. Something to brew the spray in
5. a container for the finished product
6. something to crush the pepper (not pictured)
7. funnel (optional if you dont mind making a huge mess)
8. goggles, safety only, optional

[Doc Smartass]

Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:f804e77c-dd8e-
4476-9227-c...@gl2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

> Don't ask why.

Oh, I know why. As long as you dress as a riot cop and the JW is standing
peacefully on a sidewalk, you got him--so go get 'im!

--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939

Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/

Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/

There are several tax-free, government-free places in this world...
They're called "failed states."

[Doc Smartass]

Mike Duffy <Use_guest...@website.in.sig> wrote in
news:Xns9FACCE34AD...@94.75.214.39:

...or Florida? We have a "stand your ground" law, now.

Just spray the hell out of him, wipe your fingerprints off, put the can
in his hand. "Self-inflicted!"

Oh wait--that's guns. Nevermind!

[Doc Smartass]

Mike Lovell <mike....@null.local> wrote in

news:slrnjdb1i0.kf...@usenet.home.b0h0.com:

> On 2011-11-30, Mike Duffy <Use_guest...@website.in.sig> wrote:
>>>> Don't ask why.
>>>
>>> If you clearly display on the edge of your property a sign
>>> saying "any unauthorized entry will result in the use of
>>> pepper spray" then I'd say go for it.
>>>
>>> Or of course if they do not leave your property promptly when asked.
>>
>> If someone refuses to leave your property, you are supposed to call
>> the police and have them charged with trespassing. If you assault
>> them, you can be charged unless you can convince the judge that you
>> feared for your safety.
>>
>> Or do you live in Texas?
>
> I'm not so sure about that. You can use reasonable force to remove a
> trespasser. Pepper spray is non-lethal, it's used by the police for
> trivial things. Why not?

Stuff's illegal in Canada.

> If someone flat out refuses to leave your property then remove them.
> If you don't want to risk injuring yourself while doing so (maybe they
> are a lot larger than you) then incapacitating them somehow would seem
> like a good option.

Net shooter!

[Doc Smartass]

John Locke <john...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:e4rbd7hs8a4l3n3uf...@4ax.com:

9. gloves!

[John Baker]

Then you can use it on Catholics.

[Mike Duffy]

Mike Lovell <mike....@null.local> wrote in

news:slrnjdbfuj.kf...@usenet.home.b0h0.com:

> I'd have let them but the furnace in with their own money *before* I
> got them evicted! :-)

I didn't want them to put equity into my house because unless it is
agreed in writing that I will be the owner. They can later sue me, saying
that I had agreed to pay for it. The previous tenant had put in a lot of
plumbing, and when he left he took all the pipe with him. It's difficult
to manage a rental house from 1000 km away with people you do not trust.

> But you should be able to use reasonable force to remove someone from
> your property who refuses to leave, if you decide to do so.

Perhaps you *should*. Put is it legally he case?


> Once you've given them ample opportunity to comply with your lawful

> request that they leave your property, remove them using whatever
> force necessary.

You might be dealing with a nutcase or someone on methamphetamine. His
relatives (or estate...) could easily sue you for mistaking such a
condition for stupidity.

> A mans home is his castle.

Depending on your jurisdition, this is somewhere between a romantic
metaphor and a legal fiction. In my city, someone from the civic office
comes by every few years to go through the house to ensure that I have
not made improvements without a permit. There is a by-law that states I
need to let him do so. What kind of a castle is that?


> If some Jehovah's witnesses ... said "No, we're not moving from

> your door" I'd ask them again to leave. If they refused I'd
> have no problem using pepper spray, a tazer or any other
> non-lethal force to incapacitate them

People have died from tazers. It would not surprise me if some people are
violently allergic to pepper spray. My advice to you is to call the cops.
Take it or leave it.

--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm

[None Given]

Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Don't ask why.

Just fucking do it! DO IT!

---
"Tide goes in. Tide goes out." -- Christianity's best proof for gods yet.

[None Given]

Mike Duffy <Use_guest...@website.in.sig> wrote:
>Mike Lovell <mike....@null.local> wrote in
>news:slrnjdavpl.kf...@usenet.home.b0h0.com:
>> On 2011-11-29, Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Don't ask why.
>> If you clearly display on the edge of your property a sign
>> saying "any unauthorized entry will result in the use of
>> pepper spray" then I'd say go for it.
>> Or of course if they do not leave your property promptly when asked.
>If someone refuses to leave your property, you are supposed to call the
>police and have them charged with trespassing. If you assault them, you can
>be charged unless you can convince the judge that you feared for your
>safety.

You're claiming that pepper spraying a shitting cultist is "assault." It
is not. Pepper spray is a vegitable; you were inviting them to lunch.

[Faline]

"None Given" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
news:Ze6dnUGYS5CTbkvT...@posted.sonicnet...

Get rid of them any way you can. Better yet,... don't even open the door
for them.

[Free Lunch]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 03:24:12 GMT, no...@none.com (None Given) wrote in
alt.atheism:

Clearly you have never been pepper sprayed.

Or you just hate everyone.

[Father Haskell]

On Nov 30, 10:24 pm, n...@none.com (None Given) wrote:
> Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_p...@website.in.sig> wrote:
> >Mike Lovell <mike.lov...@null.local> wrote in
> >news:slrnjdavpl.kf...@usenet.home.b0h0.com:

> >> On 2011-11-29, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Don't ask why.
> >> If you clearly display on the edge of your property a sign
> >> saying "any unauthorized entry will result in the use of
> >> pepper spray" then I'd say go for it.
> >> Or of course if they do not leave your property promptly when asked.
> >If someone refuses to leave your property, you are supposed to call the
> >police and have them charged with trespassing. If you assault them, you can
> >be charged unless you can convince the judge that you feared for your
> >safety.
>
> You're claiming that pepper spraying a shitting cultist is "assault." It
> is not. Pepper spray is a vegitable; you were inviting them to lunch.

And cyanide is made from peach pits, so Zyklon-B
is the same as a serving of fruit.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <R_mdnUmnOOzBbkvT...@posted.sonicnet>,

Pepper spray is millions of times hotter than the ghost chili, the
hottest chile on earth. It's poison and can blind a person and damage
the breathing apparatus.

[Father Haskell]

On Dec 1, 12:30 am, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <R_mdnUmnOOzBbkvTnZ2dnUVZ_oSdn...@posted.sonicnet>,

>  n...@none.com (None Given) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_p...@website.in.sig> wrote:

> > >Mike Lovell <mike.lov...@null.local> wrote in
> > >news:slrnjdavpl.kf...@usenet.home.b0h0.com:

> > >> On 2011-11-29, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> Don't ask why.
> > >> If you clearly display on the edge of your property a sign
> > >> saying "any unauthorized entry will result in the use of
> > >> pepper spray" then I'd say go for it.
> > >> Or of course if they do not leave your property promptly when asked.
> > >If someone refuses to leave your property, you are supposed to call the
> > >police and have them charged with trespassing. If you assault them, you can
> > >be charged unless you can convince the judge that you feared for your
> > >safety.
>
> > You're claiming that pepper spraying a shitting cultist is "assault." It
> > is not. Pepper spray is a vegitable; you were inviting them to lunch.
>
> Pepper spray is millions of times hotter than the ghost chili, the
> hottest chile on earth. It's poison and can blind a person and damage
> the breathing apparatus.

Cop grade pepper spray: 2 - 4 million Scoville heat units.
Habanero pepper: 0.5 - 1.5 SHU.
McIlhenny Tabasco sauce: 7,000 SHU.

[None Given]

LOL! I have been pepper sprayed or maced by fascist pigs a number of
times off and on since 1978 though what the Christofascists are using
these days is a whole lot different than the blue helmet days. It's
part of living in California.

And yeah, I hate everyone, fuck you all, thanks.

[None Given]

"Faline" <nos...@thishome.org> wrote:

>"None Given" <no...@none.com> wrote in message
>news:Ze6dnUGYS5CTbkvT...@posted.sonicnet...
>> Father Haskell <father...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Don't ask why.
>> Just fucking do it! DO IT!

>Get rid of them any way you can. Better yet,... don't even open the door
>for them.

If they drag their children with them to the door, it's best to talk
directly to the children, subvert and supplant their programming in the
short time the cultists afford you to rewire their young brains. :)

[Yap]

On Nov 30, 7:46 am, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask why.

Try asking them if they have their pixie, why they need JW street
peddlers?

But pepper spray may be a bit too drastic ....unless they refuse to
leave you in peace.

[Dakota]

Ask the kids how many bunny rabbits Noah took on the Ark. And how many
puppy dogs. Then ask how many little boys and girls. That will keep the
fundy cultists busy for a long time.

[Father Haskell]

So it's witnesses, maybe, salvation army bellringers, yes...

[dsamuel...@gmail.com]

The jehovahs witnesses want a one world government with themselves as leaders,for this reason, i have a note on my door that says, "i will treat Jehovahs Witnesses as enemy combatants."

I have never had a JW knock on this door.

[Don Martin]

On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:45:09 -0700 (PDT), dsamuel...@gmail.com
wrote:

>The jehovahs witnesses want a one world government with themselves as leaders,for this reason, i have a note on my door that says, "i will treat Jehovahs Witnesses as enemy combatants."
>
> I have never had a JW knock on this door.

There is very little we can do about your ingrained unpopularity.
Sorry.

--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
Je pense, donc je suis Charlie.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <qlqgmbtte2o3bbd96...@4ax.com>,

Don Martin <drdon...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:45:09 -0700 (PDT), dsamuel...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >The jehovahs witnesses want a one world government with themselves as
> >leaders,for this reason, i have a note on my door that says, "i will treat
> >Jehovahs Witnesses as enemy combatants."
> >
> > I have never had a JW knock on this door.
>
> There is very little we can do about your ingrained unpopularity.
> Sorry.

It always helps to live in a security-gated building. Especially with
neighbors who are good about not buzzing in any random stranger.

--

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream
up a God superior to themselves. Most
Gods have the manners and morals of a
spoiled child.