Ignorant Atheist Idiots
Rowland Croucher
> I must say Croucher is wrong in claiming
> 'certain people are not welcome'.
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that
abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto
you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 John 1:9-11).
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness
with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath
Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement
hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said,
I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the
unclean thing; and I will receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)
--
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
people should not be worshipping mass murderers such as the christian and
islamic gods
mutated...@web.com
salaam 'alaykum,
In the name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Say: He is God, the One!
God, the eternally Besought of all!
He begetteth not nor was begotten.
And there is none comparable unto Him. (chapter 112 of the Qur'an)
The above chapter or Surah of the Qur'an is read by Muslims maybe no
less
than 5 times a day.
"He has no son, nor is He the son of any".
Below is a brief survey of the Qur'an concerning why Islam considers it
so
repugnant, actually sinful to attribute a son to God. I will keep my
comments brief as possible so as to let the Qur'an speak for itself.
002.116 And they say: God hath taken unto Himself a son. Be
He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in the heavens and the
earth is His. All are subservient unto Him.
In the Qur'an the attributing to God of "taking" or "adopting" or
begetting
(giving birth to) a son is not tolerated. It is to say that God has a
partner. That would entail that this "partner" would also deserve to
be
worshipped. Hence the danger of attributing a son to God. God does
not
tolerate anyone worshipping anyone or thing except for Him. It is
quite
similar if not identical to the First Commandment of the Bible:
Ex 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of
Egypt,
out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any
thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or
that
is in the water under the earth.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD
thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon
the
children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my
commandments.
004.171 O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your
religion nor utter aught concerning God save the truth. The
Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of God,
and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from
Him. So believe in God and His messengers, and say not
Three - Cease! (it is) better for you! - God is only One
God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that
He
should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and
all
that is in the earth. And God is sufficient as Defender.
Islam makes a super distinction between servant and God. God is God
and all
else
are His creatures. The greatest Honor a human can have is to be called
a
servant of God; this because when one serves only God - God makes all
to
serve you. Jesus was a Great Servant of God.
009.030 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of God, and the
Christians say: The Messiah is the son of God. That is
their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of
those who disbelieved of old. God (Himself) fighteth
against them. How perverse are they!
They have taken as lords beside God their rabbis
and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were
bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him.
Be
He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto
Him)!
The Qur'an teaches that the attributing of a son to God is an
innovation and
was never
ordered by God. The religion with God in essence has always been the
same.
As far as calling Ezra the son of God. Honestly I don't know much
about it.
But I do know that David is called the "Beggotton Son of God" in the
Bible:
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou
art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Maybe someone can share some knowledge about it.
010.068 They say: God hath taken (unto Him) a son -
Glorified be He! He hath no needs! His is all that is in
the
heavens and all that is in the earth. Ye have no warrant
for
this. Tell ye concerning God that which ye know not ?
012.021 And he of Egypt who purchased him said unto his wife:
Receive him honourably. Perchance he may prove useful to us
or we may adopt him as a son. Thus we established Joseph in
the land that We might teach him the interpretation of
events. And God was predominant in His career, but most of
mankind know not.
Quoted this verse because the Arabic "Ittikhaadh al walad" is the same
here
as it is in attributing a son to God. The same is the case with Moses
and
(Pharoah) in a latter verse in this survey. It might help us
understand
what it really means and why it is considered so bad in our religion;
the
saying that God has "adopted a son."
017.111 And say: Praise be to God, Who hath not taken unto
Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty,
nor hath He any protecting friend through dependence. And
magnify Him with all magnificence.
018.004 And to warn those who say: God hath chosen a son,
019.035 It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He
should take unto Himself a son.
Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it
only: Be! and it is.
And lo! God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him.
That is the right path.
The sects among them differ: but woe unto the
disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day.
019.088 And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself
a son.
Assuredly ye utter a disastrous thing
Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is
split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins,
That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,
019.092 When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the
Beneficent that He should choose a son.
There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh
unto the Beneficent as a slave.
021.026 And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a
son. Be He Glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons)
are honoured slaves;
They speak not until He hath spoken, and they act by
His command.
He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them,
and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth,
and they quake for awe of Him.
And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside
Him, that one We should repay with hell. Thus We Repay
wrong-doers.
021.091 And she (Mary) who was chaste, therefor We breathed into her
(something) of Our Spirit and made her and her son a token
for (all) peoples.
023.050 And We made the son of Mary and his mother a portent,
and We gave them refuge on a height, a place of flocks and
watersprings.
023.091 God hath not chosen any son, nor is there any god
along with Him; else would each god have assuredly
championed
that which he created, and some of them would assuredly
have
overcome others. Glorified be God above all that they
allege.
Knower of the Invisible and the Visible! and Exalted be
He over all that they ascribe as partners (unto Him)!
025.002 He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens
and the earth, He hath chosen no son nor hath He any
partner
in the Sovereignty. He hath created
everything and hath meted out for it a measure.
Yet they choose beside Him other gods who create
naught but are themselves created, and possess not hurt nor
profit for themselves, and possess not death nor life,
nor power to raise the dead.
028.009 And the wife of Pharaoh said: (He will be) a
consolation for me and for thee.
Kill him not. Peradventure he may be of use to us, or we may
choose him for a son.
And they perceived not.
039.004 If God had willed to choose a son, He could have
chosen what He would of that which He hath created. Be He
Glorified! He is God, the One, the Absolute.
043.057 And when the son of Mary is quoted as an example,
behold! the folk laugh out,
And say: Are our gods better, or is he ? They raise not
the objection save for argument. Nay! but they are a
contentious folk.
He is nothing but a slave on whom We bestowed favour,
and We made him a pattern for the Children of Israel.
043.081 Say (O Muhammad): If the Beneficent One hath a son,
then, I shall be first among the worshippers. (But there is
no son).
Glorified be the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the
Lord of the Throne, from that which they ascribe (unto
Him)!
057.027 Then We caused Our messengers to follow in their
footsteps; and We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow, and
gave him the Gospel, and placed compassion and
mercy in the hearts of those who followed him. But
monasticism
they invented - We
ordained it not for them - only seeking Gods pleasure, and
they observed it not with
right observance. So We give those of them who believe their
reward, but many of
them are evil-livers.
072.003 And (we believe) that He - exalted be the glory of our
Lord! - hath taken neither wife nor son,
005.018 The Jews and Christians say: We are sons of God and
His loved ones. Say:
Why then doth He chastise you for your sins ? Nay, ye are but
mortals of His creating. He forgiveth whom He will, and
chastiseth whom He will. Gods is the Sovereignty of the
heavens and the earth and all that is between them, and
unto
Him is the journeying.
Blah, blah, blah and so on ad-nauseam
Would a loving and intelligent God give foist any of these
poodle-scrapers upon us ?
Muty
Sasha
Lörd Phÿltêr
news:1391658372...@ithinknot.net:
> m...@nospam.com wrote in news:ejlfu1hhldg501hgi...@4ax.com:
>
>> I must say Croucher is wrong in claiming
>> 'certain people are not welcome'.
>
> "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
> hath not God.
Correct. Now fuck off and go annoy the kids at kindy, they're more on your
level, although you're probably a little lower, you drooling fuckwit.
--
Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
the14thdisciple
like to reply to this noate from the verey loveley MutedArseFart what
you can see below.
> In the name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
> Say: He is God, the One!
witch Is quite a surprise becasue - as hugh probberley knoweth - the
god looketh a lot like a Number Two! he Has damp, wrinkled brown skin,
he Is about 5 inches long, rounded and fat with a little taper at both
ends.
of Corrs if the Loard WAS a Number One, he'd just dribble down the
gutter when you peed him out ...
> The above chapter or Surah of the Qur'an is read by Muslims maybe no
> less than 5 times a day.
perhaps They shouldst consult a memory-techniques book or somthing?
they Hafe got verey bad memmories, mister MaltedSaltButt and constently
hafe to remind themselfs of what the book acterually says. i Can think
of no other reason for wanting to read the same thing over and over
again, unless of Corrs you can NOT afford no deacent books.
> "He has no son, nor is He the son of any".
well That is just silly, MuffledSheBrass, becasue that would mean The
God is acterually a barren woman ... do Hugh think that The God is a
barren woman? i Know i doanet! he Hath a verey large invissible
peanis with witch he impregnaites virgins called Marie.
hugh Can't argue with FACT, MattedTreeBash!
loaf form 14
Les Hellawell
Croucher) wrote:
1. Play. 'Anon he finds him,
Striking too short at Greeks. His antique sword,
Rebellious to his arm, lies where it falls,
Repugnant to command. Unequal match'd,
Pyrrhus at Priam drives, in rage strikes wide;
But with the whiff and wind of his fell sword
Th' unnerved father falls. Then senseless Ilium,
Seeming to feel this blow, with flaming top
Stoops to his base, and with a hideous crash
Takes prisoner Pyrrhus' ear. For lo! his sword,
Which was declining on the milky head
Of reverend Priam, seem'd i' th' air to stick.
So, as a painted tyrant, Pyrrhus stood,
And, like a neutral to his will and matter,
Did nothing.
But, as we often see, against some storm,
A silence in the heavens, the rack stand still,
The bold winds speechless, and the orb below
As hush as death- anon the dreadful thunder
Doth rend the region; so, after Pyrrhus' pause,
Aroused vengeance sets him new awork;
And never did the Cyclops' hammers fall
On Mars's armour, forg'd for proof eterne,
With less remorse than Pyrrhus' bleeding sword
Now falls on Priam.
Out, out, thou strumpet Fortune! All you gods,
In general synod take away her power;
Break all the spokes and fellies from her wheel,
And bowl the round nave down the hill of heaven,
As low as to the fiends!
Hamlet Act 2 Scene 2
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE The White Rose County
Bill
A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father, Son and
Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary gave
birth to Jesus.
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the14thdisciple
... a Sensible MYTH, Jill? so Peapel shouldst choose thear religion
based on how beleaveable a fairy-tale is ...?
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Rowland Croucher
news:2r4hu15jo1pcdhtmr...@4ax.com:
> Why do christers always quote from their favorite book
> of myths like it means anything to anyone else? It's
> like a trekkie giving their favorite klingon quotes.
> (Not that the klingons didn't make some good points, mind you)
"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath
not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the
Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this
doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For
he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (7 Kalen
8:69-21).
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship
hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light
with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part
hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the
temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God
hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their
God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and
be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I
will receive you." (Wisdom of Kalen 6:14-17)
That okay with you now is it?
mutated...@web.com
to troll. Cut and paste some rant from soc.religion.islam and away you
go.
Muty.
kathryn
"Rowland Croucher" <rccro...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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It's okay Rowland, we forgive you :)
kathryn
<zambon...@knowshpamatyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> it means anything to anyone else? It's like a trekkie giving their
> favorite klingon quotes. (Not that the klingons didn't make some good
> points, mind you)
Revenge is a dish best served cold?
I think they stole that one ;)
Dave
>
> "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not
> God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the
> Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not
Blah, blah, blah. How do you feel about cartoons? You're beliefs are
silly and yet they can't be questioned. Why is that?
Denis Loubet
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> That's what I like to see. Reasoned argument. Dang, but you're easy
> to troll. Cut and paste some rant from soc.religion.islam and away you
> go.
Gosh! You mean human beings are easy to troll! That's IMPOSSIBLE!
--
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>
> "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.
>
> with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath
> Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
the entire peoples of the world apparently.
Russ T. Nale
<nos...@here.com> wrote:
-"Rowland Croucher" <rccro...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
-news:1391658372...@ithinknot.net...
-> m...@nospam.com wrote in news:ejlfu1hhldg501hgi...@4ax.com:
->
->> I must say Croucher is wrong in claiming
->> 'certain people are not welcome'.
->
-> "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath
-> not God. He that
-> abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If
-> there come any unto
-> you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither
-> bid him God speed:
-> For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 John
-> 1:9-11).
->
-> "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship
-> hath righteousness
-> with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And
-> what concord hath
-> Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
-> And what agreement
-> hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living
-> God; as God hath said,
-> I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they
-> shall be my people.
-> Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
-> and touch not the
-> unclean thing; and I will receive you." (2 Corinthians 6:14-17)
->
-> --
->
-> http://tinyurl.com/d35sa
->
-
-It's okay Rowland, we forgive you :)
Would you please STOP responding to this FORGER and troll?
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wbarwell
> This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
>
> A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father, Son
> and Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary
> gave birth to Jesus.
>
These fools do have the myth of the uncreated quran,
which they claim has existed eternally with Allah.
This is about on the same level of idiocy as
trinitariansim that claims Jesus existed
co-eternally with god.
Which trinitrianism the moslems cannot disprove anyway.
Since they do accept Jesus as a prophet, they have
to explain why they accept some parts of his prophecy
and not others.
Which then is problem for them to explain why they
accept Mohammed's claims. Having argued this a few times
in teh past on like alt.religion.islam, I find nobody who
has better than a third grader's gasp of any of this.
Its not something the moslems ever really think about.
And in the end, the entire class of omni-everything creator
gods is debunkable disposing of both god and Jesus, Mohammed
and Allah anyway.
Mohammed is depicted as promising that infidel nations
and people will never find favor with god, yet it is the
islamic nations that are poor, illiterate and mainly
failed nations and have been for centuries now.
--
To delight in war is a merit in the soldier, a dangerous
quality in the captain and a positive crime in a statesman.
- George Santayana
Cheerful Charlie
wildbl...@hotmail.com
Bill wrote:
> This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
>
> A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father, Son and
> Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary gave
> birth to Jesus.
>
wbarwell
<http://www.chelmsfordbaptist.com/phpmail/default.htm> wrote:
> "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
> hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both
> the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this
> doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
> For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (7
> Kalen 8:69-21).
>
IS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.
A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.
The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:
A. God is personal, God has will and consciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.
These are the basic attributes that can be claimed
for the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity,
Islam, and Hinduism.
Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually
logically derivable from the claimed attribute of
omnipotence and so aren't not truly independent
attributes, and may be considered special aspects
of omnipotence.
There are other attributes of god, that he is the
only such god, that he is is immortal and that
god has always existed that are not important
for this discussion and for now, can be ignored.
They are secondary arguments and are for the most
part not foundational or truly necessary, except
those that can be logically derived from the
attributes listed above.
A CLASS OF GODS
It is important to note here that this is a
definition not for a particular god, but an
entire class of gods.
Sub-theories about god are not important here.
Christianity claims one may attain salvation
only through Jesus, Islam claims the Christian
dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous.
Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a
personal, creator, omni-everything god. I have
coined a term, The Grand God of Grand Theologies
for this sort of god, this sort of theological
system of expansive claims for god.
Grand theologies are those theologies that have
adopted this class of god as their basic
attributes concerning the nature of god. But it
is important to remember here that what is being
discussed here is a class of gods, not particular
gods or specific gods.
THE FOUR GREAT THEOLOGICAL TRADITIONS
Again, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism hold
to this basic Grand God and are typical Grand
Theologies holding to this basic class of god as
their basic definitions of what god is at god's
most basic level.
A big problem with this class of gods is, it
collapses rather easily into internal self-
contradiction.
THE PROBLEM OF EVIL.
The problem of evil was first written down by
Epicurus in about the third century BCE.
Today's formulation is:
A. God is defined as omnipotent;
B. and as omnibenevolent.
C. Evil exists.
D. God therefore, is not omnipotent as claimed.
E. Or God is not omnibenevolent as claimed.
F. Or god is neither omnipotent or
omnibenevolent.
G. Or god is not existant.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE
The free will defense of the problem of evil goes
back to St. Augustine who popularized it. It is
still popular, and is championed most notably
today by Alvin Plantinga, but also by other
theologians.
God gave man free will. Man freely chooses to do
evil. Ability to do evil is less evil than
lacking free will.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE DEBUNKED.
God has free will.
God is omnibenevolent, he has a good nature
incapable of doing evil.
A. If god can have free will, and a good nature,
this good nature is not allowed to count
against god's free will.
B. Nor is god's lack of ability to do evil
allowed to count against god's omnipotence.
C. Likewise, man could easily have a god like
free will and a god like good nature.
D. Inabilty then to do evil would no more count
against man's free will than it does for god's
free will.
E. If so, it also counts against god's free will
and god does not have free will as claimed.
F. If god does not have absolute and total free
will, thus free will is not a true necessity
at all.
F. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and
can give man a god like free will and a
god-like good nature incapable of moral evil,
god must do so or god is not moral, not
omnibenevolent.
G. Evil exists because he allows it to.
So free will does not exist, or it does and we can
have a god like free will and a god like good
nature. Either way, free will cannot explain away
the existence of evil. This free will defense
then, is a failed argument.
OMNISCIENCE VERSUS CREATORHOOD OF GOD
God is defined as creator of all in most
religions.
And god is claimed to be omniscient, all knowing.
A. God created the Universe and all in it.
B. God is omniscient, all knowing, he knows all
in the Universe and he knows the future of the
Universe and its contents.
C. If god creates a Universe, he will know that
in 13 billion years this Universe will have a
man named John Smith in it.
D. If John Smith is good and saved, or evil and
damned, God will know that.
E. As he knows that the Universe in its present
state will have a John Smith, god may then
contemplate the future state of Smith and
decide if he will tolerate an evil Smith.
F. If yes, Smith will be evil only because of a
specific personal and will choice made solely
by god.
G. If Smith is evil, then evil exists solely
because of a choice made by god. In fact all
moral evil done by creations of god will be
evil and do evil only because of personal and
willful creations of god allowing evil acts
to be done, by direct decision of god.
H. If evil exists in a world with an omniscient
creator god, it is solely and only because
god allows evil.
I. If evil exists solely because of personal
choices of god, god then is not as defined,
omnibenevolent.
J. Man and any other sentient being in such a
Universe cannot have any free will, not even
in principle. A Universe with a god that
creates all and knows all precludes free will
for all beings god creates in the strongest
possible manner.
The Grand God of Grand
Theology is thus self destroying, it is
incoherent and contradictory as a theory.
THE SITUATION SO FAR.
1. A minimalistic class of gods is defined, this
Grand God has been defined here with as few
terms as possible.
2. The problem of evil dooms such a claimed god.
3. The attempted defense, free will is fatally
flawed. God's good nature and free will doom
claims free will makes evil necessary for man
to have free will.
4. Omniscience and creatorhood of god further
doom claims of god's omnibenevolence and
man's free will free will cannot exist for
man. All evil is the direct and knowing
creation of god contradicting claims of
omnibenevolence.
5. Since Free will for man is totally impossible,
free will cannot be a good quality, much less
necessary.
Here, the Grand God of Grand Theology has
collapsed. As has Grand
Theology. As pointed out, this destroys the claims
and viability of an entire class of possible
gods,
all secondary and tertiary claims for such a god
of
this class also fail, as do dogmas or secondary
or tertiary claims.
If a these Grand Gods cannot exist as defined,
specific gods cannot, nor can claims such as this
or that Grand God sent this or that revelation to
man or some prophet or did this or that.
God is thus disproven and is utter irrelevant
to anything real and existant.
***********
William T. Goat
> "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship
> hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light
> with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part
> hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the
> temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God
> hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their
> God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and
> be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I
> will receive you." (Wisdom of Kalen 6:14-17)
>
And yet here you are, mingling with atheists.
--Billy
Rowland Croucher
news:11ui3os...@corp.supernews.com:
> God is thus disproven and is utter irrelevant
> to anything real and existant.
Good way of keeping the working classes under control though.
Love in Jesus
Rowland Croucher
news:1139336474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> How do you feel about cartoons?
Do you mean like http://snipurl.com/mac6 ?
> You're beliefs are silly and yet
> they can't be questioned. Why is that?
Allowing our beliefs to be questioned, would cut the supply of suicide
bombers to the coalition forces currently securing markets for US goods in
Iraq.
the14thdisciple
name
Rude Colon Archer
(i Hafe shoved an Other letter in thear i hoap hugh do NOT mined
becasue The God toald me to do it becasue he thinks Rude Colon Archer
doth virrily discribeth Rowland and huy the whey i Took a lett out i
will NOT say what juan becasue hugh can worketh that out four yoarself
the God says)
loaf form 14
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Exodus 3:13-15
13And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of
Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me
unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say
unto them?
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt
thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the
children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham,
the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is
my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Huh. Don't see "JESUS" mentioned there. Maybe he forgot.
Rockett Crawford
"JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort"
<jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
news:1139349989....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Good point. Here's a verse that indicates that Jesus didn't think of himself
as God:
(Mark 10:17-18 NRSV) As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and
knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit
eternal life?"
Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.
Capella a.a #5
Three headed Jehovah terrorizes atheists
http://www.goatstar.org/three-headed-jehovah-terrorizes-nude-atheists/
the14thdisciple
> Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me
> unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say
> unto them?
Moases was a forgetful old prat, Joss, and he eaven Had the 10
Commandments cast in stoane in case he forgotted any of them on the way
down the mountan.
12 o sory i Mean 14
Rockett Crawford
"the14thdisciple" <the14th...@littleboxes.nl> wrote in message
news:1139352688.0...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Yes, actually anyone that has seen Mel Brook's "history of the world" knows
that Moses had 15 commandments when he came down the mountain, but
accidently dropped one of his 3 tablets.
The Chief Instigator
Jesus is his *son*, according to your fellow Bible-bangers...sheesh.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Milwaukee 2 (February 7)
NEXT GAME: Friday, February 10 at Manchester, 6:35
bob young
"Rowland Croucher " wrote:
where would they be without their old book of proverbs !?
The bible is supposed to go back over two thousand years. No books can be
traced back even half of this period of time. Logic forms no part in their
thinking
>
>
> --
> http://snipurl.com/mb91
bob young
"Rowland Croucher " wrote:
> wbarwell <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
> news:11ui3os...@corp.supernews.com:
>
> > God is thus disproven and is utter irrelevant
> > to anything real and existant.
>
> Good way of keeping the working classes under control though.
It was in medieval times.
but many of us have grown up since then!
Pastor Frank
news:2r4hu15jo1pcdhtmr...@4ax.com...
> On 07 Feb 2006 12:02:47 -0500, rccro...@optusnet.com.au (Rowland
> Croucher) wrote:
>>
>>not God. He that
>>abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If
>>there come any unto
>>you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither
>>bid him God speed:
>>1:9-11).
>>
>>"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship
>>hath righteousness
>>with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And
>>what concord hath
>>Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
>>And what agreement
>>hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living
>>God; as God hath said,
>>I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they
>>shall be my people.
>>Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
>>6:14-17)
>
> Why do christers always quote from their favorite book of myths like
> it means anything to anyone else? It's like a trekkie giving their
> favorite klingon quotes. (Not that the klingons didn't make some good
> points, mind you)
>
text? Is it because atheists consider themselves infallible and worship
themselves?
bob young
the14thdisciple wrote:
loaf to see yoar posts again
bob
humanist brit.
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
You implying Frank your bible is an authorative text?
Would ya like to start a dialogue on the subject? you'll lose
bob young
bob young
the14thdisciple wrote:
when you feel up to it, please give us the ten commanderments in yoar
langage.
thanks
Bob
wildbluskies
Hindus like atheists worship SATAN the false god, both hindus and
atheists will burn in perpetual HELL, Its prophecy.
wildbluskies
>> > Why do christers always quote from their favorite book of myths like
> > it means anything to anyone else?
> >
> text? Is it because atheists consider themselves infallible and worship
> themselves?
Atheists worship SATAN pastor frank, because of their denial of the
TRUE WORD of GOD, they are by default, no matter if they choose it or
not, minions of SATAN.
wildbluskies
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> wildbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Bill wrote:
> > > This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
> > >
> > > A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father, Son and
> > > Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary gave
> > > birth to Jesus.
> > >
> > There is only ONE GOD and JESUS is his name.
>
<garbage snipped>
The perveted jewish babble is not the words of the ONE TRUE GOD, JESUS
is the ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD incarnate, it's prophecy.
Peter
Pastor Frank wrote:
> snipped<
> Why do atheists always quote themselves and never any authoritative
> text? Is it because atheists consider themselves infallible and worship
> themselves?
Gottdamn Frank, you hit right on the head! I only worship myself
because *I am* infallible.(sometimes I even kiss my own ass)
You moron
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
> JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> > wildbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Bill wrote:
> > > > This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
> > > >
> > > > A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father, Son and
> > > > Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary gave
> > > > birth to Jesus.
> > > >
> > > There is only ONE GOD and JESUS is his name.
> >
> > Huh. Don't see "JESUS" mentioned there. Maybe he forgot.
>
> <garbage snipped>
Here, snip this, too:
Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am
not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or
one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called
great in the kingdom of heaven.
> The perveted jewish babble is not the words of the ONE TRUE GOD, JESUS
> is the ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD incarnate, it's prophecy.
Ah, another ignorant xtian unfamiliar with his own religion. I love
you guys.
kathryn
"Russ T. Nale" <His_child2...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:His_child2005yourh...@h-66-167-68-159.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net...
or you will?
Colin Day
> wbarwell <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
> news:11ui3os...@corp.supernews.com:
>
>> God is thus disproven and is utter irrelevant
>> to anything real and existant.
>
> Good way of keeping the working classes under control though.
>
> Love in Jesus
>
But should one accept ideas on the basis of how efficiently one can
use then to control others, or should one adopt a different criterion,
like how well they identify reality?
Colin Day aa #1500
wildbluskies
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> wildbluskies wrote:
> > JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
> > > wildbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > Bill wrote:
> > > > > This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
> > > > >
> > > > > A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father, Son and
> > > > > Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary gave
> > > > > birth to Jesus.
> > > > >
> > > > There is only ONE GOD and JESUS is his name.
> > >
> > > Huh. Don't see "JESUS" mentioned there. Maybe he forgot.
> >
> > <garbage snipped>
>
> Here, snip this, too:
>
> > This perveted babble is not the words of the ONE TRUE GOD, JESUS
> >
>
> Ah, another ignorant xtian unfamiliar with his own religion. I love
> you guys.
I know the words theTRUE LORD JESUS and that crap you posted is not
JESUS words.
The new testament you quoted is part of the false perverted gospel that
has been corrupted by evil men over the centuries. You can take your
lies and leave now atheist demon.
Syd M.
Oh, trying to write your own bible now..? Isn't there something in yer
bible against that kind of thing..? Not that people like you follow
that thing anyway..
PDW
kathryn
"wildbluskies" <wildbl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139423667.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Jesus words? Did Jesus have his own language?
bob young
wildbluskies wrote:
Your satan is as imaginary as your god; you Oaf.
These are not all the gods that simple humans have dreamed up, but yours is
included:
[Preface]
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye,
Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Cthulhu
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Ras
Tafari
Saturn, Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
[Note under 'African Gods' the number devoted to 'Supremacy']
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
bob young
Colin Day wrote:
Of course, anyone with a modicum of common sense will say, "no, the
latter is the only sensible guideline".
They should know also that religions have been used by arrogant humans to
control other less arrogant and more superstitious humans from the time
the first simple wooden god was carved from a piece of driftwood in The
Stone Age.
The more thans change the more they remain the same.
bob Young
humanist Brit.
Hong kong
There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who
cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths.
Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that
he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face
this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his
opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.
[Bertrand Russell]
>
>
> Colin Day aa #1500
bob young
wildbluskies wrote:
Ooooooh! do you mean THIS Hell? Er, and you did not answer the above question. Too
hard for you to digest was it?
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed away.
ŅOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ŅSorryÓ said God,
ŅBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more sinful than
you, so your friend, I'm sorry to tell you, will be going to the other place called
HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God, whilst
his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to roast for
eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly stupid?
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
Pastor Frank
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Gottdamn Frank, you hit right on the head!
> You moron
The fake Pastor Frank is a Mormon; but the True Pastor Frank is not.
--
Pastor Frank Bernhard Schornak
Broomleigh Evangelische Kirche GmbH (Zurich)
Hardenbergstr. 14, D-Augsburg 86165, Germany
+ 49 - 0821 - 729 87 83
http://www.pastorfrank.broomleigh.com/
Pastor Frank
news:1139320166....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
> Fuck God in the mouth, you silly freak.
>
You forgot to post this to the right groups. I will post you over to
some.
Pastor Frank
news:43E9BF8C...@netvigator.com...
that there is any other text which is considered authoritative by more
people. But then you think all theists are superstitious morons and the only
REAL authority is yourself. Isn't that true?
wildbluskies
bob young wrote:
> wildbluskies wrote:
>
> > Pastor Frank wrote:
> > >> > Why do christers always quote from their favorite book of myths like
> > > > it means anything to anyone else?
> > > >
> > > Why do atheists always quote themselves and never any authoritative
> > > text? Is it because atheists consider themselves infallible and worship
> > > themselves?
> >
> > Atheists worship SATAN pastor frank, because of their denial of the
> > TRUE WORD of GOD, they are by default, no matter if they choose it or
> > not, minions of SATAN.
>
> Your satan is as imaginary as your god; you Oaf.
>
true GOD, there is only ONE GOD and atheists are going to hell ,
peroid, end of discussion.
Mike Painter
> "Peter" <grendle...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1139416147.834538.79680 @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Gottdamn Frank, you hit right on the head!
>
>> You moron
>
> The fake Pastor Frank is a Mormon; but the True Pastor Frank is not.
The true one says "God simply means,that quality which is most important in
my life." which is hardly what most Christians would say.
If true and he was faced with sudden violent death,chances are that saving
his own life would be the most important thing and he would be his own god.
We will not talk about what god would be if he had diarrhea and was in
public...
Jericho
I doubt,
>that there is any other text which is considered authoritative by more
Is that your basis for what is authoritative, that a large number of
people believe so? You don't think that a large number of people might
believe something that is untrue? Careful how you anwer this.
I personally think that all theists are superstitious and alot of them
are idiots, but that's just my opinion and I'm not an authority on
anything other than my opinion.
Bill
"wildbluskies" <wildbl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1139423667.2...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
If the New Testaments are false, perverted crap how do you know what Jesus
said?
Are you having hallucinations?
I do agree with you that the Bible are pure myth, fable and legends -
nothing more.
Bill
How do you know your god is the real one and all the others are fakes???
'IF' there is a REAL God, why does he not appear to all mankind and show he
is the real God and that all the others are fakes? Man can accurately
communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet, Newsprint, and Radio.
Why can't any REAL god communicate with all of mankind in an equal or better
manner??? Why does the real God not inform all of mankind in a clear
unquestionable manner that he is the real God and what are his wishes and
demands? Why does any real God refuse to clear up all this confusion? Why
can't a real god smite all of the fakes and end the confusion? It appears
that ALL Gods are fakes and inventions of selfish errant MEN.
The objective evidence is rather strong that NO GODS CREATED MAN but quite
the opposite;
that MAN CREATED IMAGINARY GODS!
A list of God beliefs around the world:
Is any of them a real God?
Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu,
Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera,
Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana,
Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jesus, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,
Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set, Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus,
Vesta,
Vishnu, Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus.
African gods:
Jesus [Savior]
Zin [Water]
Asian Gods:
Bill
Yes, believeing in PURE crap!
Bill
"Jericho" <wasteo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1139528523....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> <Frank>It is for a large proportion of the world's population. In fact
> I doubt,
>>that there is any other text which is considered authoritative by more
>>people. But then you think all theists are superstitious morons.
Why do people believe in myths and fables that are unsupported by any
objective verifiable factual evidence?
There are many different religions and literally thousands of God beliefs.
There many religions such as Judaism, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims,
Shintoists, Confusions, Christians, Catholics etc.. There are thousands of
variations in the beliefs of each of these religions and hundreds of minor
religions.
No real god has ever announced directly from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes or even that the variations of beliefs
within his own religion are false. There are a plentitude of different
religious documents that proclaim the validity of various Gods. Which, if
any, are correct?
Major religious texts and documents;
Baha'i Sacrid writtings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
No originals of the old or new testaments exist.
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
Adi Granth and Dasam Granth - canonical scripture of the Sikhs
Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? Non of these documents are any objective evidence.
They are all documents written, hand copied, modified and further copied,
over the centuries, by errant men with their own personal and selfish
motivations. All of these documents. Except the Book of Morman, were hand
written and hand copied over the centuries before the invention of the
printing press. There is no way to determine authenticity or accuracy of any
of these. The objective evidence is that they are a mixture of inaccurate
history, myth, folklore and legends.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. If there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents compiled by dozens of
different religions and hundreds of unauthenticated men.
The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN but quite the
opposite; that man created gods!
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
Not true. As far as authority is concerned I have enough sense to know that
the authority applying in the place where I live is set by Common Law,
Commercial Law and normal human decency. I do not need a primitive book like
any of these below as they are, to say the least., out of date, banal and in
many instances, totally inappropriate for today's lifestyle.
Baha'i Sacrid writings
Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
[No originals of the old or new testaments exist.]
The Book of Mormon - Church of Latter Day Saints
The Analects - Confuscianism
The Eddas and Sagas - Icelandic beliefs
Wicca - Neo paganism of Greece and Rome over the centuries
Bhagavgita and Rig Veda - Hinduism
Qur'an - Islam
The Tanakh - Jewism
Tao-Te-Ching - Taoism
Nag Hammadi - Gnostics
Zhuan Falun - Falun Gong
Cheers Frank
And by the way. your book of myths was supposed to have been given by a god to
Moses on mount Sinai. He goes along up a mountain and comes down saying he has
been in touch with a god. does that not register in your brain as something
slightly strange?
There are two possibilities:
1] A god, that is afraid to speak to the human beings that he was supposed to
have created talked to only one of them on a mountain instead of talking to a
group which would have been a trillion times more impressive. Or
2] Moses was a Charlatan. Assuming he actually climbed a mountain he did so,
came down and 'claimed' he had spoken to a god.
Now, my head is 'screwed on the right way' so I have no doubt the second
scenario is the correct one.
Oh and do not use the Lord's name in vain today - your local Head Priest will
not be amused if you do, as it means you might be wanting to move to a
different club, and he won't like that!
bob
humanist Brit.
bob young
Jericho wrote:
Frank forgets that a large number of people would have sworn their lives
away five hundred years ago rather than admit that their god did not live
just above the clouds. They have dropped that one now, of course for
obvious reasons, as He might get in the way of commercial aircraft.
Bob
humanist Brit.
bob young
wildbluskies wrote:
Why 'end of discussion' ? Because you cannot handle anymore common sense posts?
And as for 'Hell', below is an interesting view about that frequently quoted
place, by just about every religionist type under the sun:
Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed away.
ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said God,
ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more sinful
than you, so your friend, I'm sorry to tell you, will be going to the other
place called HellÓ.
So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving God,
whilst his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to
roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly
stupid?
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
Pastor Frank
news:ZQOGf.19524$_S7.1...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>> The fake Pastor Frank is a Mormon; but the True Pastor Frank is not.
>
> The true one says "God simply means,that quality
> which is most important in my life." which is
> hardly what most Christians would say.
Perhaps you have not visited Pastor Frank's web site, brother Mike?
It separates the men from the gay Dutch imposter.
bob young
"Pastor Frank" wrote:
> "Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> news:ZQOGf.19524$_S7.1...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
>
> >> The fake Pastor Frank is a Mormon; but the True Pastor Frank is not.
> >
> > The true one says "God simply means,that quality
> > which is most important in my life." which is
> > hardly what most Christians would say.
>
> Perhaps you have not visited Pastor Frank's web site, brother Mike?
>
> It separates the men from the gay Dutch imposter.
does it come complete with a set of blinkers?
Pastor Frank
news:1139416147....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bill of Rights
> Amendment I
>
> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
> speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
> assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
>
atheists and their legal arm the ACLU is busy putting into law and stuffing
down our collective Christian throats.
Pastor Frank
though we all know, were those "working classes" to get out of control, you
would be the first to complain.
Furthermore Bertie Russell had the morals of an ally cat, and shunned
ideals he couldn't talk his way out of. Religion is about having firm ideals
to live up to and the only comfort in that is, that Jesus Christ
demonstrated those ideals in the flesh, and to the death. You apparently
can't get over it, that some of us aim to have the balls to do the same.
What ideals are you aiming to live up to and who demonstrates them to
the death for you?
Pastor Frank
> wildbluskies wrote:
>> bob young wrote:
>> > wildbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > Bill wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
>> > > > A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father,
>> > > > Son and
>> > > > Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary
>> > > > gave
>> > > > birth to Jesus.
>> > >
>> > > There is only ONE GOD and JESUS is his name.
>> >
>> > that's not what my hindu friend tells me. Who is right you or him?
>>
>> Hindus like atheists worship SATAN the false god, both hindus and
>> atheists will burn in perpetual HELL, Its prophecy.
>
> Ooooooh! do you mean THIS Hell? Er, and you did not answer the above
> question. Too
> hard for you to digest was it?
> Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed
> away.
> God,
> ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more
> you, so your friend, I'm sorry to tell you, will be going to the other
> place called
> HellÓ.
> So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving
> God, whilst
> his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to
> roast for
> eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
> Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly
> stupid?
> Bob
> Humanist Brit.
> Hong Kong
>
children cavort in debouchery and sin, our holy and most perfect God came to
earth in the form of Jesus Christ to persuade us to live up to ideals,
instead of live down to our most basic lusts. We killed Him for that, by
nailing Him to a cross.
Some of us are greatful for His caring and great love, others like you
laugh and find His parental concern "banal, juvenile or crassly stupid".
That's "banal" alright!!!!
Alan Anderson
> And by the way. your book of myths was supposed to have been given by a god to
> Moses on mount Sinai. He goes along up a mountain and comes down saying he has
> been in touch with a god. does that not register in your brain as something
> slightly strange?
>
> There are two possibilities:
>
> 1] A god, that is afraid to speak to the human beings that he was supposed to
> have created talked to only one of them on a mountain instead of talking to a
> group which would have been a trillion times more impressive. Or
>
> 2] Moses was a Charlatan. Assuming he actually climbed a mountain he did so,
> came down and 'claimed' he had spoken to a god.
>
> Now, my head is 'screwed on the right way' so I have no doubt the second
> scenario is the correct one.
Read the source material, bob. Specifically, Exodus 20. Through verse
17, God *is* speaking to the assembled Israelites. In verse 18, they
get uneasy. In verse 19, they tell Moses they can't handle it and don't
want to hear God's voice any more. It's only starting in verse 22 that
God speaks only to Moses. The words heard by the masses have a special
status today: they're called the Ten Commandments.
According to the account written in this "book of myths", God wasn't
afraid to speak directly to the group. It's the group that was afraid
to listen directly to God.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
How? Is someone telling you you can't worship who and how you want?
Or is the problem really that you're prevented from using the
government to force others to worship how you want them to?
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
Great. Don't let the door hit you, etc.
Pastor Frank
@netvigator.com:
>> Perhaps you have not visited Pastor
>> Frank's web site, brother Mike?
> does it come complete with a set of blinkers?
Blinders in American English.
Rockett Crawford
"Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
news:43ec873c$0$10963$6d36...@titian.nntpserver.com...
>> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
>> prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
>> speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
>> assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
>>
> Interesting that it says nothing about de-establishing religion, which
> atheists and their legal arm the ACLU is busy putting into law and
> stuffing down our collective Christian throats.
No, that's not right. It's saying that the government can't make laws
favoring a particular religion.
Capella a.a #5
Is the US a nation of church goers or a nation of UFO believers?
http://www.goatstar.org/is-the-us-a-nation-of-church-goers-or-a-nation-of-ufo-believers/
xeno
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Pastor Frank wrote:
> Seeing His children cavort in debouchery and sin, our holy and most
> perfect God came to earth in the form of Jesus Christ to persuade us to
> live up to ideals, instead of live down to our most basic lusts. We
> killed Him for that, by nailing Him to a cross.
A perfect God would not need children much less make children less perfect
than he.
> Some of us are greatful for His caring and great love, others like you
> laugh and find His parental concern "banal, juvenile or crassly stupid".
> That's "banal" alright!!!!
The world would be grateful when those who deem "greatful" will have full
access to mental health care.
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort
> bob young wrote:
>
> > And by the way. your book of myths was supposed to have been given by a god to
> > Moses on mount Sinai. He goes along up a mountain and comes down saying he has
> > been in touch with a god. does that not register in your brain as something
> > slightly strange?
> >
> > There are two possibilities:
> >
> > 1] A god, that is afraid to speak to the human beings that he was supposed to
> > have created talked to only one of them on a mountain instead of talking to a
> > group which would have been a trillion times more impressive. Or
> >
> > 2] Moses was a Charlatan. Assuming he actually climbed a mountain he did so,
> > came down and 'claimed' he had spoken to a god.
> >
> > Now, my head is 'screwed on the right way' so I have no doubt the second
> > scenario is the correct one.
>
> Read the source material, bob. Specifically, Exodus 20. Through verse
> 17, God *is* speaking to the assembled Israelites. In verse 18, they
> get uneasy. In verse 19, they tell Moses they can't handle it and don't
> want to hear God's voice any more. It's only starting in verse 22 that
> God speaks only to Moses. The words heard by the masses have a special
> status today: they're called the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 19:20-25
20 And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount:
and the LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went
up.
21 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they
break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.
22 And let the priests also, which come near to the LORD, sanctify
themselves, lest the LORD break forth upon them.
23 And Moses said unto the LORD, The people cannot come up to mount
Sinai: for thou chargedst us, saying, Set bounds about the mount, and
sanctify it.
24 And the LORD said unto him, Away, get thee down, and thou shalt come
up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people
break through to come up unto the LORD, lest he break forth upon them.
25 So Moses went down unto the people, and spake unto them.
Sounds like 'the LORD' is warning people to stay away, and Moses came
back down the mountain to tell them what he said.
> According to the account written in this "book of myths", God wasn't
> afraid to speak directly to the group. It's the group that was afraid
> to listen directly to God.
Exodus 20:18
And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the
noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw
it, they removed, and stood afar off.
It sounds like they're observing from "afar off" what's going on on top
of the mountain.
wildbluskies
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
> news:43EAE019...@netvigator.com...
> > wildbluskies wrote:
> >> bob young wrote:
> >> > wildbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > > Bill wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
> >> > > > A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father,
> >> > > > Son and
> >> > > > Holy Ghost.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > that's not what my hindu friend tells me. Who is right you or him?
> >>
> >> Hindus like atheists worship SATAN the false god, both hindus and
> >> atheists will burn in perpetual HELL, Its prophecy.
> >
> > Ooooooh! do you mean THIS Hell?
> > God, whilst
> > his friend, who had been a little bit more sinful than he, is about to
> > roast for
> > eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.
> > Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly
> > stupid?
> > Bob
> >
> children cavort in debouchery and sin, our holy and most perfect God came to
> earth in the form of Jesus Christ to persuade us to live up to ideals,
> instead of live down to our most basic lusts. We killed Him for that, by
> nailing Him to a cross.
> Some of us are greatful for His caring and great love, others like you
> laugh and find His parental concern "banal, juvenile or crassly stupid".
> That's "banal" alright!!!!
BOB is one of countless ignorant atheist idiots who will surely burn in
hell, I feel sorry for him, maybe if he repents JESUS will save him,
but probably not, since BOB has commited himself to sin and depravity
and evil demonic influence. There is not much hope for him at all
unfortunately.
wildbluskies
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Pastor Frank wrote:
>
> > Seeing His children cavort in debouchery and sin, our holy and most
> > perfect God came to earth in the form of Jesus Christ to persuade us to
> > live up to ideals, instead of live down to our most basic lusts. We
> > killed Him for that, by nailing Him to a cross.
>
> A perfect God would not need children much less make children less perfect
> than he.
Typical atheist delusional thinking, GOD is perfect in his SPIRIT of
LOVE not in a corrupt physical realm where you are obviously trapped
xeno.
Syd M.
Fella, I've become convinced that one of you is a delusional idiot..
And guess what, it ain't Xeno..
PDW
wildbluskies
Bill wrote:
> "wildbluskies" <wildbl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1139414849.5...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > bob young wrote:
> >> wildbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Bill wrote:
> >> > > This is a much more sensible myth than the Christian myth.
> >> > >
> >> > > A god creator of the Universe would have no need to have a Father,
> >> > > Son and
> >> > > Holy Ghost. And who was the mother. These gods existed before Mary
> >> > > gave
> >> > > birth to Jesus.
> >> > >
> >> > There is only ONE GOD and JESUS is his name.
> >>
> >> that's not what my hindu friend tells me. Who is right you or him?
> >
> > Hindus like atheists worship SATAN the false god, both hindus and
> > atheists will burn in perpetual HELL, Its prophecy.
>
> How do you know your god is the real one and all the others are fakes???
>
one of those fake gods you mentioned. The entire atheist culture will
burn in hell soon, just a friendly warning, I thought you would like to
know.
RiceMarshall
news:2006021008...@synergy.transbay.net:
> The world would be grateful when those who deem "greatful"
> will have full access to mental health care.
Mental Health and Religion are the same thing. This is not a joke.
Every mental disease (dis-at-ease) is defined as caused by itself. The
only cause of Schizophrenia is Schizophrenia, and so on, for all of them.
So if psychosis is cause by smoking Cannabis, torture, sleep deprivation
or the like, the disease is not a mental disorder. If dope really did
cause permanent psychosis, the disease would be called something like
"Cannabis Schizophrenia."
Since the cause of mental disorders cannot be known, their treatments can
never be reliable. If a chemical - a drug - stopped psychosis in
Schizophrenia patients, its cause would be a lack of that chemical,
Schizophrenia would be caused by a lack of that chemical, and therefore
no longer a mental disorder.
Yet real mental disorders, like Schizophrenia, do exist, and they are
very difficult to treat. The most effective treatment is faith.
--
http://www.broomleigh.de/
Rice Marshall
xeno
On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, it was written:
>> The world would be grateful when those who deem "greatful"
>> will have full access to mental health care.
> Mental Health and Religion are the same thing. This is not a joke.
Religion is self-medication & the physican a quack.
> Since the cause of mental disorders cannot be known, their treatments can
> never be reliable.
Your premise is false & you're factually in error.
> The most effective treatment is faith.
Well, though you may deem so, do not forgo the chemo.
xeno
Why is it that they in the same boat
Like to presume that they're not & they gloat
That because they can pretend in what has no grounds
that people who choose not are the ones who aren't sound?
A perfect God would have no need
so creation itself is an imperfect deed
which contradicts this very theology
so your religion is its own pathology
Pastor Frank
news:1139528523....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I doubt,
>>that there is any other text which is considered authoritative by more
>>people. But then you think all theists are superstitious morons.
>
> Is that your basis for what is authoritative, that a large number of
> people believe so? You don't think that a large number of people might
> believe something that is untrue? Careful how you anwer this.
>
All else is mere illustration. When it comes to quality there is no true or
"untrue". Let's see you answer this: How honest does a man have to be, to be
called an honest man? And make sure you use up-to-date scientific
quantification in your measurements!!! Sloppy atheist "opinionating" won't
suffice, no matter how "authoritative".
Pastor Frank
news:ZQOGf.19524$_S7....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...>> news:1139416147.834538.79680 @g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Gottdamn Frank, you hit right on the head!
>>
>>> You moron
>>
>> The fake Pastor Frank is a Mormon; but the True Pastor Frank is not.
>
> The true one says "God simply means,that quality which is most important
> in my life." which is hardly what most Christians would say.
>
life, considering Jesus Christ said in Matthew. 5:48: Be ye therefore
perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
perfect?
What would you call perfection if not a quality, in fact the only
quality that matters?
Pastor Frank
> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>
>> It is for a large proportion of the world's population. In fact I
>> doubt,
>> that there is any other text which is considered authoritative by more
>> people. But then you think all theists are superstitious morons and the
>> only
>> REAL authority is yourself. Isn't that true?
>
> Not true. As far as authority is concerned I have enough sense to know
> that
> the authority applying in the place where I live is set by Common Law,
> Commercial Law and normal human decency.
>
Religion is there to make it a universal standard however. Whether you
approve of the method is beside the point.
>
> I do not need a primitive book like
> any of these below as they are, to say the least., out of date, banal and
> in
> many instances, totally inappropriate for today's lifestyle.
>
book to clarify the meaning of "normal human decency" or not is irrelevant.
Others do need both clarification and motivation in writing to pursue
"normal human decency".
>
> Baha'i Sacrid writings
> Life of Buddha - Dhammapada - Pali cannon
> The Bible - Christian religious documents - 18 English versions alone.
> [No originals of the old or new testaments exist.]
>
the great religions of the world is not their differences, but their
similarities. Check Aldous Huxley's Perennial Philosophy.
Pastor Frank
> Jericho wrote:
>>
>> ><Frank>It is for a large proportion of the world's population. In fact
>> >I doubt,
>> >that there is any other text which is considered authoritative by more
>> >people. But then you think all theists are superstitious morons.
>>
>> Is that your basis for what is authoritative, that a large number of
>> people believe so? You don't think that a large number of people might
>> believe something that is untrue? Careful how you anwer this.
>> I personally think that all theists are superstitious and alot of them
>> are idiots, but that's just my opinion and I'm not an authority on
>> anything other than my opinion.
>
> Frank forgets that a large number of people would have sworn their lives
> away five hundred years ago rather than admit that their god did not live
> just above the clouds. They have dropped that one now, of course for
> obvious reasons, as He might get in the way of commercial aircraft.
>
> face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths. Almost
> inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that he
> believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face this
> thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his opinions are
> not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.
> [Bertrand Russell]
>
understanding of sacred text? Is that the only intellectual level you aspire
to?
Virgil
"Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> Religion deals with character qualities which will get you to heaven.
So that being good is merely the religious response to a bribe?
> All else is mere illustration. When it comes to quality there is no true or
> "untrue". Let's see you answer this: How honest does a man have to be, to be
> called an honest man? And make sure you use up-to-date scientific
> quantification in your measurements!!! Sloppy atheist "opinionating" won't
> suffice, no matter how "authoritative".
An honest man will be so because he wants to be, not because some god
promises to pay him to be.
Virgil
"Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
When those texts do not make any sense at that level, they are not
likely to at any other level.
xeno
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Pastor Frank wrote:
> ... What would you say is the most important quality in a Christian's
> life ...
To pretend that they have been saved from the wrath of a being they have
no evidence for.
xeno
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Pastor Frank wrote:
> Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is
> perfect?
Perfect is an indeterminable quality or value. To actualize such,
impossible.
xeno
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Pastor Frank wrote:
> Religion deals with character qualities which will get you to heaven.
Heaven is just pie in the sky
You dream of a slice & then you die.
> How honest does a man have to be, to be called an honest man?
To admit that he is a liar.
Reverend Richard Frank Dick Foot
news:Xns9763DEDD330...@61.9.191.5:
> Correct. Now fuck off [ . . . ].
You don't love the dear Lord Jesus, then, brother Phÿltêr?
--
Pastor Richard Dick Foot, B.Sc., FFD
Chelmsford Baptist Church AG (Zürich)
1 Pares Land Walk, Chelmsford, Rochdale OL16 5SX, Great Britain
http://www.chelmsfordbaptist.com/
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
> news:43EADF5D...@netvigator.com...
> > Colin Day wrote:
> >> Rowland Croucher wrote:
> >> > wbarwell <wbar...@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in
> >> > news:11ui3os...@corp.supernews.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> God is thus disproven and is utter irrelevant
> >> >> to anything real and existant.
> >> >
> >> > Good way of keeping the working classes under control though.
> >> > Love in Jesus
> >>
> >> But should one accept ideas on the basis of how efficiently one can
> >> use then to control others, or should one adopt a different criterion,
> >> like how well they identify reality?
> >
> > Of course, anyone with a modicum of common sense will say, "no, the
> > latter is the only sensible guideline".
> > They should know also that religions have been used by arrogant humans to
> > control other less arrogant and more superstitious humans from the time
> > the first simple wooden god was carved from a piece of driftwood in The
> > Stone Age.
> > The more thans change the more they remain the same.
> > bob Young
> > humanist Brit.
> > Hong kong
> > There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who
> > cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths.
> > Almost inevitably some part of him is aware that they are myths and that
> > he believes them only because they are comforting. But he dare not face
> > this thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his
> > opinions are not rational, he becomes furious when they are disputed.
> > [Bertrand Russell]
> >
> You are still glorifying being "out of control" as some kind of panacea,
> though we all know, were those "working classes" to get out of control, you
> would be the first to complain.
> Furthermore Bertie Russell had the morals of an ally cat, and shunned
> ideals he couldn't talk his way out of.
He will be remembered long after you have been forgotten Frank and as far as
your morals are concerned we only have your word on those!
> Religion is about having firm ideals
> to live up to and the only comfort in that is, that Jesus Christ
> demonstrated those ideals in the flesh,
He did not such thing. all we have is what a load of primitives says he did.
Very much a different thing
Russell's morals:
The whole conception of 'sin' is one I find very puzzling, doubtless owing to
my sinful nature. If 'sin' consisted in causing needless suffering, I could
understand, but on the contrary, sin often consists in avoiding needless
suffering. Some years ago, in the English House of Lords, a bill was introduced
to legalize euthanasia in cases of painful and incurable disease. The patient's
consent was to be necessary, as well as several medical certificates. To me, in
my simplicity, it would seem natural to require the patient's consent, but the
late Archbishop of Canterbury, the English official expert on sin, explained
the erroneousness of such a view. The patient's consent turns euthanasia into
suicide, and suicide is sin. Their Lordships listened to the voice of authority
and rejected the bill. Consequently, to please the Archbishop- and his God, if
he reports truly victims of cancer still have to endure months of wholly
useless agony, unless their doctors or nurses are sufficiently humane to risk a
charge of murder. I find difficulty in the conception of a God who gets
pleasure from contemplating such tortures; and if there were a God capable of
such wanton cruelty, I should certainly not think Him worthy of worship. But
that only proves how sunk I am in moral depravity. (U.E.p76)
Men who allow their love of power to give them a distorted view of the world
are to be found in every asylum: one man will think that he is the Governor of
the Bank of England, another will think he is the King, and yet another will
think he is God. Highly similar delusions, if expressed by educated men in
obscure language, lead to professorships in philosophy; and if expressed by
emotional men in eloquent language, lead to dictatorships.
[Bertrand Russel (P.:A.N.S.A.p259)]
> and to the death. You apparently
> can't get over it, that some of us aim to have the balls to do the same.
> What ideals are you aiming to live up to and who demonstrates them to
> the death for you?
Lörd Phÿltêr
<http://www.chelmsfordbaptist.com/phpmail/default.htm> had me ROTFL with:
news:Xns97671A7F2D8EB...@66.150.105.131:
> "Lörd Phÿltêr" <phy...@hsotmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9763DEDD330...@61.9.191.5:
>
>> Correct. Now fuck off [ . . . ].
>
> You don't love the dear Lord Jesus, then, brother Phÿltêr?
>
No such critter
--
Lörd Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
Father Haskell
> "Lörd Phÿltêr" <phy...@hsotmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9763DEDD330...@61.9.191.5:
>
> > Correct. Now fuck off [ . . . ].
>
> You don't love the dear Lord Jesus, then, brother Phÿltêr?
Trussed and glazed with wild cranberries, with
an apple in its mouth. Slow cooked over a
hickory fire.
Brother Phÿltêr's tastes might differ, though.
Father Haskell
> Yet real mental disorders, like Schizophrenia, do exist, and they are
> very difficult to treat. The most effective treatment is faith.
Does "faith" include Satanism?
Lörd Phÿltêr
news:1139631310.3...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Reverend Richard Frank Dick Foot wrote:
>> "Lörd Phÿltêr" <phy...@hsotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:Xns9763DEDD330...@61.9.191.5:
>>
>> > Correct. Now fuck off [ . . . ].
>>
>> You don't love the dear Lord Jesus, then, brother Phÿltêr?
>
> Trussed and glazed with wild cranberries, with
> an apple in its mouth. Slow cooked over a
> hickory fire.
>
> Brother Phÿltêr's tastes might differ, though.
>
Sausage gravy & biscuits?? Mashed potato mixed with sour cream, cheese and
black pepper...
Peter
his meds, you think faith will help him? Faith in what? God? Jesus? Fer
christsake sometimes he thinks he *is* Jesus!
Better living through chemistry say I.
Peter
Jesus H Christ
news:43ec8741$0$10963$6d36...@titian.nntpserver.com:
> Religion is about having firm
> ideals to live up to
Bullshit. Religion is about individuals
a) putting the religion above any other power structure or allegiance
b) being required to stay, recruit and/or proselytise
c) any OTHER random made-up bullshit thrown in along with the first two
Yours included.
> and the only comfort in that is, that Jesus
> Christ demonstrated those ideals in the flesh, and to the death.
Having some martyr suicide on my behalf is not how I'd personally prefer
for ideals to be proselytised. YMMV.
> You
> apparently can't get over it, that some of us aim to have the balls
> to do the same.
What we find laughable is that you think that moral behaviour requires you
to reference written dogma from almost two millennia ago.
> What ideals are you aiming to live up to
Those ideals I personally find appealing on various grounds *and* those to
which I'd like my fellow man to live up to in return, should we ever meet.
> and who demonstrates them
> to the death for you?
Anyone willing to die or murder for their *ideals* is, generally speaking,
a fool.
So the answer is, no-one.
jesus!
Father Haskell
>
> Religion deals with character qualities which will get you to heaven.
Patent horseshit.
Religion deals with kissing ass, sitting up and begging, or otherwise
grovelling for no other reason than you don't want to be lobbed into
hell when you croak. No other reason. Period.
It does nothing more than make you a self-motivated crook at
most, a docile head of livestock at least.