Asia is NOT attacking The USA and NATO: Millions are Dying because the United Snakes and Europe are Attacking the Innocent People of the Middle East
skep...@aol.com
attacks involved billions of dollars, and hundreds of US intelligence
agents and US military personnel killing Americans on Sept. 11th, 2001.
raven1
Yawn. You're really getting boring, Skep.
joeturn
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 00:53:12 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
>
> <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Osama Bin Ladin did not do the 911 attacks, he could not do them. The
> >attacks involved billions of dollars, and hundreds of US intelligence
> >agents and US military personnel killing Americans on Sept. 11th, 2001.
>
> Yawn. You're really getting boring, Skep.
Skep had relatives and friends onboard the staton Island ferry that
day that told him no planes went into any of the towers that day.
skep...@aol.com
There were planes that hit the WTC, those planes were radio controlled
by the Cheney Bush White House and Bush's brother Marvin Bush and
distant relative Clint Walker were on the WTC's security's board of
directors, when the buildings were being rigged for months with pre-
placed explosives. The buildings (including building 7) were almost
completely turned to dust. Imagine the energy it took to turn three
buildings into a pyroclastic cloud! The United Snkaes is a banana
republic.
raven1
That would come as a surprise to my brother and his students at Curtis
High School, who watched the attacks take place from their classroom
window across the harbor, as well as my friends on the SI Ferry who
saw the second plane pass overhead and hit the South Tower.
skep...@aol.com
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>
There are questions of whether planes struck the World Trade towers. I
don't mean to contradict you Joeturn, I wasn't there, it could be as
you friends observed. It was truly an incredible spectacle designed
for the cameras on 911. The BBC and the US media a played key role
orchestration the news of the false flag attack by the White House. We
can tell by the cover up and the legends created by false Hollywood
movies, that it was a crime of the US empire and Bush and Cheney
murdering Ameicans. Millions have died in Asia.
joeturn
No your wrong the plane was a hologrammed image of a plan,they
firstintended using remote controled drones but that could have
knocked the sequence of preset explosions out of kilter causing a one
sided collapse. So they went to plan B hologramming the image of a
plane hit,proven by the Evan Fairbanks video.That is why they jumped
all over it claiming it to be faked video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXr_sGrUFO4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
The explosives were set in place durring the buildings construction
from 1966 thru 1973 for quick removalThe Israeli Art Students(the B-
thing crew/Gelettin)gutted the buildings of all office
material,plumbing,cellphones,commode swiring and plumbing during their
year and a half stay for free rent.The Bush Security company wen in
for mantinance and connected the detonators six weaks prion to 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1mBavoQzE&feature=player_embedded
The Concrete was turned to dust because it was a special type of instu
concrete slabs designed to turn to dust in case they decided to do the
demolition,so large chunks of debree could not become projectiles.
Galvanic corrosion also eat the bonding agent out of the concrete!
joeturn
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>
Tghe old Staton Island Ferry was it is it still orange? Well the NIST
report declared that pictures they had came from the Staton Island
Ferry docked but it does not show all the limbs that had to be seen
through to see the WTC.No Limbs No Planes. As I told you before you
have been lied to by your friends or you just make shit up as you go
along!
John Smith
> ...
> There are questions of whether planes struck the World Trade towers. I
> don't mean to contradict you Joeturn, I wasn't there, it could be as
> you friends observed. It was truly an incredible spectacle designed
> for the cameras on 911. The BBC and the US media a played key role
> orchestration the news of the false flag attack by the White House. We
> can tell by the cover up and the legends created by false Hollywood
> movies, that it was a crime of the US empire and Bush and Cheney
> murdering Ameicans. Millions have died in Asia.
I am an American. When I grew up, we said a pledge to our country and
our people, every school day. I believed that pledge, the people I said
that pledge with believed it, America was great.
I still honor that pledge, if a million asians died to save but one
American, I'd do it! If it was my son or daughter, I'd damn well do it,
and I have sworn allegiance to Americans, they stand just behind my
children in the family of Americans ... right or wrong, let the damn
foreigners be warned.
Regards,
JS
joeturn
I too remember the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer at the begiing of
every schoolday.
However over the years I have learned The Flag was designed by the
Demonic FreeMasons and was susposed to have six pointed stars to
represent EVIL SUNWORSHIP but Betsy Ross could not make a six pointed
star and it ended up being a five pointed star.
And when I found out the Sunworshippers altered the Bible to fool
people into giving praise to Amon Ra,I cast that thought out of the
picture!
Lots of people now a days are still fooled by their illuminati
National Socialist Government! The honor pagon holidays like
Sunday,Easter,Christmas Haloween,they even circumsize their new born a
pagon ritual that gives Aman Ra their true devotion! Go figure&%^#$
BDK
35g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>, joetu...@yahoo.com says...
Oh boy, a battle for top o' Mount Kooktard!! My money's on Joe.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
raven1
>On May 10, 6:42 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>>
>> <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On May 10, 9:36 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 10 May 2011 00:53:12 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
>>
>> >> <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >Osama Bin Ladin did not do the 911 attacks, he could not do them. The
>> >> >attacks involved billions of dollars, and hundreds of US intelligence
>> >> >agents and US military personnel killing Americans on Sept. 11th, 2001.
>>
>> >> Yawn. You're really getting boring, Skep.
>>
>> >Skep had relatives and friends onboard the staton Island ferry that
>> >day that told him no planes went into any of the towers that day.
>>
>> That would come as a surprise to my brother and his students at Curtis
>> High School, who watched the attacks take place from their classroom
>> window across the harbor, as well as my friends on the SI Ferry who
>> saw the second plane pass overhead and hit the South Tower.
>
>There are questions of whether planes struck the World Trade towers
Not from any sane people.
raven1
<joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On May 10, 9:42 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>>
>> <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On May 10, 9:36 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 10 May 2011 00:53:12 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
>>
>> >> <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >Osama Bin Ladin did not do the 911 attacks, he could not do them. The
>> >> >attacks involved billions of dollars, and hundreds of US intelligence
>> >> >agents and US military personnel killing Americans on Sept. 11th, 2001.
>>
>> >> Yawn. You're really getting boring, Skep.
>>
>> >Skep had relatives and friends onboard the staton Island ferry that
>> >day that told him no planes went into any of the towers that day.
>>
>> That would come as a surprise to my brother and his students at Curtis
>> High School, who watched the attacks take place from their classroom
>> window across the harbor, as well as my friends on the SI Ferry who
>> saw the second plane pass overhead and hit the South Tower.
>
>Tghe old Staton Island Ferry
It's "Staten Island", BTW.
>was it is it still orange?
Yes, it is, and you got stomped into the ground on this topic over in
RGP not long ago because you didn't know what the hell you were
talking about. Are you sure you want a second go-around?
>Well the NIST
>report declared that pictures they had came from the Staton Island
>Ferry docked but it does not show all the limbs that had to be seen
>through to see the WTC.
You're badly confused. No tree limbs would have been in the way of
photos taken from a docked ferry. (The ferry terminal building, on the
other hand, would be).
I'm a life-long New Yorker (who is typing this in my office two blocks
away from Ground Zero, I might note). Don't try to bullshit me on the
geography of the area.
>No Limbs No Planes.
That does not follow, especially since your premise is nonsense.
>As I told you before you
>have been lied to by your friends or you just make shit up as you go
>along!
Neither, actually. I just have a functioning bullshit detector, and an
intimate knowledge of lower Manhattan.
raven1
It's a lot easier to make a six-pointed star than a five-pointed one:
just overlap two triangles.
>And when I found out the Sunworshippers altered the Bible to fool
>people into giving praise to Amon Ra,I cast that thought out of the
>picture!
>
>Lots of people now a days are still fooled by their illuminati
>National Socialist Government! The honor pagon holidays like
>Sunday,Easter,Christmas Haloween,they even circumsize their new born a
>pagon ritual that gives Aman Ra their true devotion! Go figure&%^#$
Serious question: do you really believe the nonsense you spout, or are
you just a long-term troll?
twofeathers
proove it
twofeathers
yeah and so was all those bombers that walked into various places all
cia stuff , right, now explain why bin laden claimed they were his
doings? as far as the building going down not hard to imagine the
pressure on each floor going down that was increased from the one
above it, banana's are for white non-human trash
twofeathers
no proof here just imaginations
twofeathers
i doubt your an american, you might have been born in north america or
south america but not a native american anything. so whats up SA
joeturn
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Exactly all CIA stuff the sunworshippers believe in human sacrifices
to appease Amon Ra.
They want to kill of all the population over 500,000,000 peoples world
wide in order to balance perpetual NATURE.
Native Americans were called Indians by Vlad the Impalers son
Christopher Columbus as a joke.He was hired by Queen Isabella of Spain
to capture slaves,but since Europe had already abolished the slave
trade.It was said he was trying to find a westward Slave Trade route
to India.
joeturn
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 19:50:50 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>
>
>
>
>
>
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You were proven wrong before all you got right was the Staten Island
Ferry part but the pictures were specified by NIST as taken at Battery
Park and all the tree limbs seemed to be missing! Once again No tree
limbs No airplanes your friends only saw a hologramed image of a plane
they thought were real,,The rest was televised by adding an overlay to
the live feed, of a plane taken months earlier
skep...@aol.com
Your view is racist and chauvinistic, the lives of people from North
America are not more valuable or precious than the lives of our
brothers and sisters on other parts of the planet. You statement
really speaks poorly of yourself as a person. Lift up your sights.
Another world is possible, one with out nationalism, racism or
chauvinism.
skep...@aol.com
> On Tue, 10 May 2011 19:28:01 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
>
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I think that planes struck the towers.
John Smith
You are a brain washed moron, on that point. Americans are my fellow
citizens, the foreign population are not.
I will never make the mistake of wondering who to defend, the neighbors
child or my own, and I pity poor fools whose confusion causes them grave
errors in judgment!
Apply the above on any scale you wish, it is just as accurate as the
model stated.
If there ever was, to exist, another planet with a human population, I
would protect my own worlds first ... you can scale this to include
whole universes ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
>>> There are questions of whether planes struck the World Trade towers
>>
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>
> I think that planes struck the towers.
Until a proper investigation is done, I suspect something struck those
towers ... an proper investigation, most likely, would provide that
proof -- amongst other proofs ...
Regards,
JS
skep...@aol.com
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No, the journalistic record shows that Bin Ladin denied involvement in
the 911 attacks, he said in person to journalists that he could not
have done such an attack, (it was beyond his ability) and he morally
WOULD NOT DO such an attack. One way you can tell that it was the
White House and Guiliani is how fast the authorities started to remove
rubble, Guiliani bragged that he has 40 truck loads disappeared to
China on the first day! Also there was very little rubble, no pancaked
flours, most of the WTC towers and building 7 had been turned to dust.
John Smith
>
> No, the journalistic record shows that Bin Ladin denied involvement in
> the 911 attacks, he said in person to journalists that he could not
> have done such an attack, (it was beyond his ability) and he morally
> WOULD NOT DO such an attack. One way you can tell that it was the
> White House and Guiliani is how fast the authorities started to remove
> rubble, Guiliani bragged that he has 40 truck loads disappeared to
> China on the first day! Also there was very little rubble, no pancaked
> flours, most of the WTC towers and building 7 had been turned to dust.
Quote from a first responder, fireman:
"you do not find a desk, or a chair or a computer, and the biggest thing
I found was a piece of a telephone keypad and it was this big" showing
his finger two inches apart.
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
There are thousands of witnesses to the second plane, since everyone
for miles around was looking at the spectacle after the first plane
hit, including several that I know personally, from my brother (and
the entire class that he was teaching at the time) across the harbor
at Curtis High School in Staten Island, to my wife at the time, who
worked at One Liberty Plaza, across the street from Ground Zero and
was fleeing lower Manhattan, to several friends on the SI Ferry, which
the plane passed over, to Randi Weingarten, then-President of the UFT,
who watched it from across the East River in Brooklyn Heights. What
further "investigation" do you think is required?
John Smith
> ...
> There are thousands of witnesses to the second plane, since everyone
> for miles around was looking at the spectacle after the first plane
> hit, including several that I know personally, from my brother (and
> the entire class that he was teaching at the time) across the harbor
> at Curtis High School in Staten Island, to my wife at the time, who
> worked at One Liberty Plaza, across the street from Ground Zero and
> was fleeing lower Manhattan, to several friends on the SI Ferry, which
> the plane passed over, to Randi Weingarten, then-President of the UFT,
> who watched it from across the East River in Brooklyn Heights. What
> further "investigation" do you think is required?
What we have been discussing for months now, free fall speeds (admitted
to), thermite/thermate/incendiaries (never looked for in the NIST
report), tons on molten iron/steel in the basins of the buildings,
controlled demolition characteristics, etc.
All that the evidence which points 9/11 to being an inside job ...
Regards,
JS
raven1
No, you were wrong on every point. As you are again below.
> all you got right was the Staten Island
>Ferry part but the pictures were specified by NIST as taken at Battery
>Park
You just said they were taken from a docked ferry. Make up your mind.
>and all the tree limbs seemed to be missing!
It would not be difficult to take a picture of the towers from Battery
Park with no tree limbs in the way. Again, I know the geography of the
place intimately. You don't, and are relying on allegations from
conspiracy kooks who don't either.
>Once again No tree
>limbs No airplanes your friends only saw a hologramed image of a plane
>they thought were real,,
How amazing that they all also heard the plane, and from wildly
different locations (St. George in Staten Island several miles to the
south, the ferry in the middle of the harbor, right next to Ground
Zero, and Brooklyn Heights, across the river to the East). That's one
impressive holographic projection that can make that kind of racket,
complete with Doppler effect, so that it sounded just like a *moving*
plane. And coincidentally, there was an explosion *exactly* where the
hologram hit. Yeah, right.
Seriously, do you really believe this nonsense, or are you trying to
make "Truthers" look batshit crazy, (not that it's all that
difficult)?
>The rest was televised by adding an overlay to
>the live feed, of a plane taken months earlier
Evidence?
joeturn
>
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Not so iy was soo risky they even abolished the plan to use radio
controlled planes because the preset sequence of explosions could have
foiled their controlled demolition if not done in the correct
timing,thus no knock out planes were used!
joeturn
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The sound was created by a gasoline jet turbine engine not a jet
liner. Go back through the videos and listen for the plane it seems to
keep going after the fake impact!
A hologramed image of a plane was what the ones saw that were there.
The multitude of TV viewers saw a spliced video 17 second split!Just a
cartoon not real just a CIA created illusion!
joeturn
>
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This video was taken from Evan Fairbank film it shows the hologram in
action. Youv'e been to Foxwoods and have saw the halogrmed lady
explaing thins she has a voice and can be projected out onto the isle
in front of her balcony!
She is not real she is a hologram how many people have saw her?
joeturn
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ooops here is the vid from the Evan Fairbanks film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek-Q0T9wK2g
Here is the case of joeturn vrs raven1 an interesting read
zayton
So, you think the CIA can project a hologram in a clear sky with no medium
to project it on, but can't sync sound to the projection. The combination of
credulity and stupidity required to entertain both of those notions at the
same time is astounding.
zayton
he said in person to journalists that he could not
> have done such an attack,
He did not.
(it was beyond his ability)
He was unable to authorize some fanatics to hyjack a plane and crash it into
a building?
and he morally
> WOULD NOT DO such an attack. One way you can tell that it was the
> White House and Guiliani is how fast the authorities started to remove
> rubble, Guiliani bragged that he has 40 truck loads disappeared to
> China on the first day!
No.
He did not.
Also there was very little rubble, no pancaked
> flours, most of the WTC towers and building 7 had been turned to dust.
You are not merely delusinal; you are clinically insane!
joeturn
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Sure here is one of their projections!
http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-is-dead-cia-getting-rid-of-old-asset/
Also the "NASA bluebeam project" will create a hologrammed FAKE
RAPTURE 60 miles above the earth, you saw a demonstration of this
with the swirly jigs over denmark wasn't it?
joeturn
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Bin Laden made 4 public release videos only two of them were real the
last two were fake and after 911 a CIA master plan to fool the
sheeple. The third one was not even bin laden but a stand in!
raven1
wrote:
>On 5/11/2011 5:24 PM, raven1 wrote:
>
>> ...
>> There are thousands of witnesses to the second plane, since everyone
>> for miles around was looking at the spectacle after the first plane
>> hit, including several that I know personally, from my brother (and
>> the entire class that he was teaching at the time) across the harbor
>> at Curtis High School in Staten Island, to my wife at the time, who
>> worked at One Liberty Plaza, across the street from Ground Zero and
>> was fleeing lower Manhattan, to several friends on the SI Ferry, which
>> the plane passed over, to Randi Weingarten, then-President of the UFT,
>> who watched it from across the East River in Brooklyn Heights. What
>> further "investigation" do you think is required?
>
>What we have been discussing for months now, free fall speeds (admitted
>to),
Specifics? (There are various dubious claims of this; which one(s) are
you advocating?)
> thermite/thermate/incendiaries (never looked for in the NIST
>report),
Why would one look for them, given that there was no reason to do so?
(At least you don't mistake them for explosives, like too many
"Truthers", so you do get a bit of credit. What you don't get is
credit for a ridiculous scenario where two skyscrapers could be
prepared for demolition with no one noticing.)
>tons on molten iron/steel in the basins of the buildings,
Anecdotal. No actual evidence for this exists, or that any molten
metal observed was iron or steel.
>controlled demolition characteristics, etc.
Controlled demolition does not typically leave "tons of molten metal"
in its wake. Your claims are mutually contradictory.
>All that the evidence which points 9/11 to being an inside job ...
Even if that were true, it does not change the fact that multiple
witnesses saw the first plane hit, and thousands saw the second, which
was the topic under discussion.
raven1
Q.E.D.
raven1
Your evidence for any of this is...?
John Smith
> ...
> Not so iy was soo risky they even abolished the plan to use radio
> controlled planes because the preset sequence of explosions could have
> foiled their controlled demolition if not done in the correct
> timing,thus no knock out planes were used!
I don't see any reference into any recognized sources, respected pilots,
experts, etc.
Can you follow up with some, or these are psychic revelations?
Regards,
JS
joeturn
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 18:39:19 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>
>
>
>
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You must click on the links I have posted they give specifics one even
explains the 17 secs overlay! I'l fetch it for you!
John Smith
> ...
> So, you think the CIA can project a hologram in a clear sky with no medium
> to project it on, but can't sync sound to the projection. The combination of
> credulity and stupidity required to entertain both of those notions at the
> same time is astounding.
When you consider that the SR-71 Blackbird was first flown in the late
1950s, when such a plane was widely still considered to be science
fiction ... I would, naturally, suspect they now have something just as
amazing and we would consider still in the realm of science ...
especially since the billions or even trillions which have been thrown
at black op development projects ...
Perhaps here, it would be wise to never say never ...
Regards,
JS
joeturn
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 18:39:19 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>
>
>
>
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Look at post #52 for specifics
http://letsrollforums.com/9-11-video-deception-t23098.html?t=23098&highlight=beep
http://letsrollforums.com/9-11-video-deception-t23098.html?t=23098&highlight=beep
joeturn
> On Wed, 11 May 2011 18:39:19 -0700 (PDT), joeturn
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Here look at post #52 for specifics!
http://letsrollforums.com/9-11-video-deception-t23098.html?t=23098&highlight=beep
Zacharias Mulletstein
news:7c865d50-08c7-4e40...@w36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> Bin Laden made 4 public release videos only two of them were real the
> last two were fake and after 911 a CIA master plan to fool the
> sheeple. The third one was not even bin laden but a stand in!
That one "bin Laden" video had a black guy in it. Osama wasn't black.
--
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Jesus Christ.
Olrik
Any names? Any actual testimonies?
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"Zacharias Mulletstein" <zmulle...@isalwaysright.com> wrote in message
news:iqfm2p$92r$1...@dont-email.me...
> "joeturn" <joetu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7c865d50-08c7-4e40...@w36g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> Bin Laden made 4 public release videos only two of them were real the
>> last two were fake and after 911 a CIA master plan to fool the
>> sheeple. The third one was not even bin laden but a stand in!
>
> That one "bin Laden" video had a black guy in it. Osama wasn't black.
>
He was a Muslim fundie too. He didn't use Grecian Formula.
skep...@aol.com
>
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Thank you very much Joe for posting the youtube video. This is a
concept that I haven't explored before. Thank you for taking the time.
I truly learned something new. The subject is perplexing.
skep...@aol.com
>
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Very good interview Joe! I'm going to post the link on my Facebook
wall.
joeturn
>
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The truth hurts it has made me ashamed of America and all her Glory!
twofeathers
> On May 11, 9:07 am, twofeathers <miketwofeath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 10, 6:00 pm, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 10, 2:47 pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 10, 9:36 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Tue, 10 May 2011 00:53:12 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
>
> > > > > <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > >Osama Bin Ladin did not do the 911 attacks, he could not do them. The
> > > > > >attacks involved billions of dollars, and hundreds of US intelligence
> > > > > >agents and US military personnel killing Americans on Sept. 11th, 2001.
>
> > > > > Yawn. You're really getting boring, Skep.
>
> > > > Skep had relatives and friends onboard the staton Island ferry that
> > > > day that told him no planes went into any of the towers that day.
>
> > > by the Cheney Bush White House and Bush's brother Marvin Bush and
> > > distant relative Clint Walker were on the WTC's security's board of
> > > directors, when the buildings were being rigged for months with pre-
> > > placed explosives. The buildings (including building 7) were almost
> > > completely turned to dust. Imagine the energy it took to turn three
> > > buildings into a pyroclastic cloud! The United Snkaes is a banana
> > > republic.
>
> > yeah and so was all those bombers that walked into various places all
> > cia stuff , right, now explain why bin laden claimed they were his
> > doings? as far as the building going down not hard to imagine the
> > pressure on each floor going down that was increased from the one
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> have done such an attack, (it was beyond his ability) and he morally
> WOULD NOT DO such an attack. One way you can tell that it was the
> White House and Guiliani is how fast the authorities started to remove
> rubble, Guiliani bragged that he has 40 truck loads disappeared to
> flours, most of the WTC towers and building 7 had been turned to dust.
bin laden:
we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who
would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that
the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the
most optimistic of them all...We had notification since the previous
Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our
work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian
family (meaning the al-Qaeda Egyptian group), was in charge of the
group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was
that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go
to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even
one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation
to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an
Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct
responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.
INDEPTH: Remembering September 11
The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in
America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the
freedom of our nation," said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white
robes and videotaped against a plain brown background.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Terrorism/story?id=1995630&page=1
In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. All praise is
due to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, and prayers and peace upon the
Prophets and Messengers.
As for what follows:
From Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin to the American people: peace be
upon he who has followed the Guidance.
This is a brief message whose topic is my testimony on behalf of the
Muslim prisoners you are holding, and in it I will talk about the
truth concerning them, which is something which the Bush
administration hates and is hostile to.
I begin by talking about the honorable brother Zacarias Moussaoui
The truth is that he has no connection whatsoever with the events of
September 11th, and I am certain of what I say, because I was
responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers -- Allah have mercy upon
them -- with those raids, and I did not assign brother Zacarias to be
with them on that mission. And his confession that he was assigned to
participate in those raids is a false confession which no intelligent
person doubts is a result of the pressure put upon him for the past
four and a half years.
And were this pressure lifted from him for him to return to his normal
state, he would state the fact I mentioned. And among the things that
confirm this fact is that the participants in September 11th were two
groups: pilots and support teams for each pilot in order to control
the aircraft. And since Zacarias Moussaoui was learning how to fly, it
follows that he wasn't component #20 from the teams which helped to
control the airplanes, as your government previously claimed, and your
government knows this fact with certainty.
And if Moussaoui was studying aviation to become a pilot of one of the
planes, then let him tell us the names of those assigned to help him
control the plane. But he won't be able to tell us their names, for a
simple reason: that in fact they don't exist. This is from one
perspective, and from another perspective, the brother
Moussaoui was arrested two weeks before the events, and had he known
anything -- however little -- about the September 11th group, we would
have told the brother Commander Mohamed Atta and his brothers -- Allah
have mercy upon them -- to leave America immediately before their
affair was exposed. And with this it becomes clear to even the novice
investigator -- not to mention the seasoned one -- that there is no
connection between him and the events of September 11th.
twofeathers
<zmulletst...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:
> "joeturn" <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
i watched jesus die, when the car hit him his face was totally
destroyed, they cremated him, so i know there is no way he could have
risen!
raven1
Sorry, but I asked for evidence, not the semi-coherent ramblings of a
kook.
raven1
wrote:
>On 5/11/2011 8:04 PM, zayton wrote:
Perhaps it would be wise to distinguish wild speculation from actual
evidence.
BDK
@z7g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, skep...@aol.com says...
The only thing that's perplexing is that you're taking WrongTurnJoe's
ravings seriously. I didn't think you were quite that far gone yet.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
BDK
John Smith
Funny, most of what you are quoting is what has already been proven to
be false from the videos, right?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Wild speculation?
What part? That the SR-71 was designed and built in the 1950s.
That most scientists, back then, were unaware that such technology had
actually went beyond theory and had been implemented and was in use?
That an analogy of this, being made to suggest what is most likely
occurring today, is in error?
Funny, I think it all either absolute fact, or highly probably and based
in reality!
Regards,
JS
raven1
wrote:
>On 5/12/2011 8:04 AM, raven1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:42:41 -0700, John Smith<bit_b...@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/11/2011 8:04 PM, zayton wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> So, you think the CIA can project a hologram in a clear sky with no medium
>>>> to project it on, but can't sync sound to the projection. The combination of
>>>> credulity and stupidity required to entertain both of those notions at the
>>>> same time is astounding.
>>>
>>> When you consider that the SR-71 Blackbird was first flown in the late
>>> 1950s, when such a plane was widely still considered to be science
>>> fiction ... I would, naturally, suspect they now have something just as
>>> amazing and we would consider still in the realm of science ...
>>> especially since the billions or even trillions which have been thrown
>>> at black op development projects ...
>>>
>>> Perhaps here, it would be wise to never say never ...
>>
>> Perhaps it would be wise to distinguish wild speculation from actual
>> evidence.
>
>Wild speculation?
>
>What part? That the SR-71 was designed and built in the 1950s.
>
>That most scientists, back then, were unaware that such technology had
>actually went beyond theory and had been implemented and was in use?
I think you're playing fast and loose with the word "theory" here. The
SR-71 was more a feat of engineering than theory.
>That an analogy of this, being made to suggest what is most likely
>occurring today, is in error?
How do you know what is likely occurring today? Based on what
evidence?
I was thinking along the lines of "So, you think the CIA can project
a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
Do you have any evidence to suggest that this can be done, or is this,
again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
vanishes?
>Funny, I think it all either absolute fact, or highly probably and based
>in reality!
Again, based on evidence, or speculation?
John Smith
>
> How do you know what is likely occurring today? Based on what
> evidence?
>
No one can, for an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, however, the military ALWAYS will
only declassify superior technology when the have something better ...
Janes (www.janes.com) is a good site to research this on. Or, any sites
which have an overview of historic military technology.
> I was thinking along the lines of "So, you think the CIA can project
> a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
>
If two "invisible" laser beams intersect each other, at a point, the
frequency of the resulting light can be in the humanly visible spectrum.
Ever see the glass cubes with the "etchings of objects" in the interior?
This is the result of two laser beams, each of which passes the glass
without harming it. However, where the two beams cross/intersect, a
"fracturing" of the glass results at that small point. Tightly
controlled and manipulated, the "etching" is drawn ... visible
"pictures" can be drawn in the plain atmosphere using the same method,
with the two "invisible" beams already mentioned. This is done very
rapidly, but then, so is a picture "painted" on a TV picture tube, it
works quite nicely, since the human eye/brain is so slow in processing ...
> Do you have any evidence to suggest that this can be done, or is this,
> again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
> explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
> the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
> vanishes?
>
Yes, if the beams cease to quit rapidly redrawing the "picture" in the
atmosphere, the picture ceases to exist. And the above applies ...
>> Funny, I think it all either absolute fact, or highly probably and based
>> in reality!
>
> Again, based on evidence, or speculation?
Proof ... the evidence is that it is already being done ...
Regards,
JS
oldwifetale
Which parts, precisely, have been proven false by videos?
Marc Riehm
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 09:59:27 -0700, John Smith<bit_b...@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/2011 8:04 AM, raven1 wrote:
> I was thinking along the lines of "So, you think the CIA can project
> a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
>
> Do you have any evidence to suggest that this can be done, or is this,
> again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
> explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
> the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
> vanishes?
>
Such hologram equipment simply does not exist.
John Smith
The bin laden videos which government has admitted are fakes/frauds:
"The tape featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he’d
carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to
manipulate viewer opinion and featured “Bin Laden” praising two of the
hijackers, only he got their names wrong. This Osama also used the wrong
hand to write with and wore gold rings, a practice totally in opposition
to the Muslim faith."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-cia-officials-admit-to-faking-bin-laden-video.html
I am sure you can find the video, still, on youtube ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> Which parts, precisely, have been proven false by videos?
I believe this is the one talked about, your research should turn up a
better analysis and more fraudulent tapes, of course ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs
Regards,
JS
Vandar
> The bin laden videos which government has admitted are fakes/frauds:
They have admitted no such thing.
> "The tape featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he’d
> carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to
> manipulate viewer opinion and featured “Bin Laden” praising two of the
> hijackers, only he got their names wrong.
How do you know?
> This Osama also used the wrong hand to write with
How do you know?
> and wore gold rings, a practice totally in opposition
> to the Muslim faith."
In case you weren't aware, bin Laden wasn't a follower of traditional Islam.
BDK
>
> John Smith wrote:
>
> > The bin laden videos which government has admitted are fakes/frauds:
>
> They have admitted no such thing.
>
>
> How do you know?
He read it on a kookpage.
>
> > This Osama also used the wrong hand to write with
>
> How do you know?
He read it on a kookpage.
>
> > and wore gold rings, a practice totally in opposition
> > to the Muslim faith."
>
> In case you weren't aware, bin Laden wasn't a follower of traditional Islam.
Aware? Johnny? Please. Only someone like WrongTurnJoe is less aware than
Johnny KQQK is.
raven1
wrote:
Well duh. Tell that to the kooks.
raven1
wrote:
>On 5/12/2011 1:46 PM, raven1 wrote:
>
>>
>> How do you know what is likely occurring today? Based on what
>> evidence?
>>
>
>No one can, for an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, however, the military ALWAYS will
>only declassify superior technology when the have something better ...
>Janes (www.janes.com) is a good site to research this on. Or, any sites
>which have an overview of historic military technology.
IOW, based on nothing but your speculation.
>> I was thinking along the lines of "So, you think the CIA can project
>> a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
>>
>
>If two "invisible" laser beams intersect each other, at a point, the
>frequency of the resulting light can be in the humanly visible spectrum.
>
>Ever see the glass cubes with the "etchings of objects" in the interior?
> This is the result of two laser beams, each of which passes the glass
>without harming it. However, where the two beams cross/intersect, a
>"fracturing" of the glass results at that small point. Tightly
>controlled and manipulated, the "etching" is drawn ... visible
>"pictures" can be drawn in the plain atmosphere using the same method,
>with the two "invisible" beams already mentioned. This is done very
>rapidly, but then, so is a picture "painted" on a TV picture tube, it
>works quite nicely, since the human eye/brain is so slow in processing ...
Have I mentioned yet that holograms look like holograms, not like
solid objects?
>> Do you have any evidence to suggest that this can be done, or is this,
>> again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
>> explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
>> the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
>> vanishes?
>>
>
>Yes, if the beams cease to quit rapidly redrawing the "picture" in the
>atmosphere, the picture ceases to exist. And the above applies ...
Have I mentioned yet that holograms look like holograms, not like
solid objects?
>>> Funny, I think it all either absolute fact, or highly probably and based
>>> in reality!
>>
>> Again, based on evidence, or speculation?
>
>Proof ... the evidence is that it is already being done ...
You've provided no evidence at all, just speculation. And very silly
speculation at that. For your next trick, please investigate whether
whales built Stonehenge.
oldwifetale
My research?
I just watched that video about 5 times. To *me* the man in the video
seems to be gesturing the same way other films have shown. He holds
his hand palm-up, which i had noticed him doing one time in another
video. His long thumb, especially, is shaped like what i have seen
before. To me, it didn't appear that he was writing with his right
hand, it appeared that he was putting something in his mouth - eating.
I do not know the customs of ObL or his people, but i do know that
*some* people from the middle-east eat *only* with their right hands
as part of religious beliefs, whereas there are other things - such as
pertaining to hygiene - that must only be done with the left hand. It
may be said that he is left-handed, but where in that film is it
obvious that he was writing? I don't see it. All i see is that he
brought something up to his mouth, in his hand, and then put his hand
back down. Also he had a very distinctive long nose. The low quality
of the film prevents seeing it, but if you 'blur' your eyes to remove
the appearance of pixels, it appears to be the same long, straight
nose when he is facing the camera. Personally, i don't see anything
about the film to indicate it is fake.
oldwifetale
Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCmkoaPIJC0&feature=related
(Tapes examined by expert in facial recognition)
John Smith
> ...
> My research?
>
> I just watched that video about 5 times. To *me* the man in the video
> seems to be gesturing the same way other films have shown. He holds
> his hand palm-up, which i had noticed him doing one time in another
> video. His long thumb, especially, is shaped like what i have seen
> before. To me, it didn't appear that he was writing with his right
> hand, it appeared that he was putting something in his mouth - eating.
> I do not know the customs of ObL or his people, but i do know that
> *some* people from the middle-east eat *only* with their right hands
> as part of religious beliefs, whereas there are other things - such as
> pertaining to hygiene - that must only be done with the left hand. It
> may be said that he is left-handed, but where in that film is it
> obvious that he was writing? I don't see it. All i see is that he
> brought something up to his mouth, in his hand, and then put his hand
> back down. Also he had a very distinctive long nose. The low quality
> of the film prevents seeing it, but if you 'blur' your eyes to remove
> the appearance of pixels, it appears to be the same long, straight
> nose when he is facing the camera. Personally, i don't see anything
> about the film to indicate it is fake.
Well, sit back, others may take the time and explain it to you. For us,
who are already out of "Inside Job 101" and have graduated to upper
division, it is time to go on to higher goals ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Good that you are actively investigating things ... keep up the good work.
The vetting of this all will keep going until we have the final answers,
we will lose the weak and easily intimidated along the way ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
This is all your supposition. You offer nothing to back up your
statements, personal conclusions and opinions ... others here will
engage you on the level of discussion you put forward, keep up looking ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Just keep in mind, you are speaking to someone, here, who actually
thinks the inside job involved criminal elements of our government
finding, funding, training and implementing the inside job with foreign
radicals which were inducted to do the job.
Although speculation on how it could have been accomplished with other
means is interesting, and I would hope a valid investigation even delves
into this, just to establish reality over all aspects of the inside job,
I tend to allow for real planes/drones/etc. hitting the building ... all
the interesting evidence and proofs which exist are not based on whether
a physical flying object struct the WTC buildings or not (and of course
NO PLANE ever struck building 7 which fell just like the twin towers.)
9/11 stands as an inside job no matter what. So, naturally, the planes
are of interest to a subset of all those whose interests center around 9/11.
SUMMARY: Any discussions just focusing on the planes is too limited and
misses the real physical proofs ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
>> My research?
>>
>> I just watched that video about 5 times. To *me* the man in the video
>> seems to be gesturing the same way other films have shown. He holds
>> his hand palm-up, which i had noticed him doing one time in another
>> video. His long thumb, especially, is shaped like what i have seen
>> before. To me, it didn't appear that he was writing with his right
>> hand, it appeared that he was putting something in his mouth - eating.
>> I do not know the customs of ObL or his people, but i do know that
>> *some* people from the middle-east eat *only* with their right hands
>> as part of religious beliefs, whereas there are other things - such as
>> pertaining to hygiene - that must only be done with the left hand. It
>> may be said that he is left-handed, but where in that film is it
>> obvious that he was writing? I don't see it. All i see is that he
>> brought something up to his mouth, in his hand, and then put his hand
>> back down. Also he had a very distinctive long nose. The low quality
>> of the film prevents seeing it, but if you 'blur' your eyes to remove
>> the appearance of pixels, it appears to be the same long, straight
>> nose when he is facing the camera. Personally, i don't see anything
>> about the film to indicate it is fake.
>
> Try this one:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCmkoaPIJC0&feature=related
>
> (Tapes examined by expert in facial recognition)
That tape, while done in stunning "Hollywood Style", with backdrops and
props from a movie studio, is only as good as the evidence which is
actually presented. Obviously, that is not a video forensics lab where
real videos are given real analysis ...
The expert is rather unclear on exactly which tape he is analyzing.
Here is one of tapes I am referring to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19eVwHAbmRI&feature=related
I'd say something is wrong. Perhaps the "expert" using facial
recognition was slipped a tape which is not in dispute?
Here is a discussion of the tape, centered around the CIA fraud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8v9O9T-8wU
Undoubtedly, your researching abilities will improve, with practice ...
Regards,
JS
oldwifetale
Or perhaps not.
Why do you consider his *opinions* more credible than any other
person's opinions? It seems to me that some 'researchers' are
stretching for any and all *opinions* that are in line with their own
thinking, rather than considering any other possibilities. You present
a video of a man *claiming* that CIA basically admitted the video was
a fake - in lieu of presenting any direct source of CIA "admitting" it
was a fake.
That is not objective 'analysis', Mr. Smith.
>
> Undoubtedly, your researching abilities will improve, with practice ...
>
> Regards,
> JS
Condescending much?
The analyst (in so-called "Hollywood style" - or what i'd call
"professional") pointed out the one thing that was very obvious about
that confession tape - which was that it was slightly *squished*.
That's why you see a supposedly "fat" ObL. You do know that a video
can be distorted (elongated or shortened) in the same way that a photo
can be distorted, don't you?
A problem that i have with *some* conspiracy theories is that they
grow more and more complex over the years... getting further and
further away from the simple truth that was staring you right in the
face the entire time.
oldwifetale
> Why do you consider his *opinions* more credible than any other
> person's opinions? [referring to Alex Jones]
twofeathers
now why would the al qaeda website use the video and say its their own?
raven1
wrote:
>On 5/12/2011 7:31 PM, raven1 wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2011 19:47:07 -0400, Marc Riehm<mri...@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11-05-12 4:46 PM, raven1 wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2011 09:59:27 -0700, John Smith<bit_b...@gmx.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/12/2011 8:04 AM, raven1 wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> I was thinking along the lines of "So, you think the CIA can project
>>>> a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any evidence to suggest that this can be done, or is this,
>>>> again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
>>>> explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
>>>> the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
>>>> vanishes?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Such hologram equipment simply does not exist.
>>
>> Well duh. Tell that to the kooks.
>>
>
>Just keep in mind, you are speaking to someone, here, who actually
>thinks the inside job involved criminal elements of our government
>finding, funding, training and implementing the inside job with foreign
>radicals which were inducted to do the job.
Yes, I do keep that in mind. I have no illusions that I'm going to
convince a "Truther" of the silliness of their position(s): my goal is
to point that silliness out to the general public.
skep...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not to mention the treasonous who are paid to spread lies, divide, and
demoralize in this forum, while they sit at their office computers.
skep...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
The simple fact is that it could not have happened the way the
"Official Story" says. Yes, it sounds like a plot from a Batman movie
that 19 men using only knives and based in a cave in remote
Afghanistan could make the US Air Defenses to stand down, and two turn
three large buidlings into powder, does sound less startling than the
White House spend hundreds of hours and used hundreds of military and
Intelligence officiers to rig the buidlings and make the air defenses
stand down. Only problem with the official story is that it
contradicts the very laws of phycis and the US government has been
caught lying and changing their stories every time you look around,
including provide fake video after video of their patsy.
skep...@aol.com
> > Why do you consider his *opinions* more credible than any other
>
> - Show quoted text -
Because at least Alex Jones asks apt questions, while the blow dried
liars of CNN and the New York Times are paid million to decieve us.
BDK
@z13g2000prk.googlegroups.com>, skep...@aol.com says...
BWHAHAHAHAHA! So much bullshit in one paragraph! Let's see, the US air
defenses never stood down, no buildings "turned to powder". There were
no laws of physics broken, and the "story" hasn't changed. The only fake
videos are on kooksites.
You troofers go further off into outer space with every post you make.
BDK
@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com>, skep...@aol.com says...
LOL, what an ego the troofer kooks have. Nobody is paid to do anything
here, we just like to laugh at your endless nonsensical ravings. The
anger is the best part. It's like a little kid who gets a shitty
Christmas present being pissed at Santa, instead of his parents.
Keep the crazy shit coming.
And keep on dreaming that someday "the real story" will come out. It
already has, and the story is there are some people who are very
gullible, and believe anything on a webpage that agrees with their
politics and confused beliefs. We sane folks call them 911 Truthers, AKA
Troofers, AKA 911 Kooktards. And we laugh at them. A lot.
raven1
wrote:
Wow, that's probably the funniest case of projection I've ever seen.
You're the one offering unsupported speculation, I'm just pointing it
out.
> others here will
>engage you on the level of discussion you put forward, keep up looking ...
I haven't found a "Truther" yet who was capable of putting forth a
rational argument, so I won't hold my breath.
george
> In article <fc6d53cc-22d5-4864-872f-eb015e781556
all the mod cons yes but no cave...
zayton
> On 5/12/2011 8:04 AM, raven1 wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:42:41 -0700, John Smith<bit_b...@gmx.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/11/2011 8:04 PM, zayton wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> So, you think the CIA can project a hologram in a clear sky with
>>>> projection. The combination of credulity and stupidity required to
>>>> entertain both of those notions at the same time is astounding.
>>>
>>> When you consider that the SR-71 Blackbird was first flown in the
>>> late 1950s, when such a plane was widely still considered to be
>>> science fiction ... I would, naturally, suspect they now have
>>> something just as amazing and we would consider still in the realm
>>> of science ... especially since the billions or even trillions
>>> which have been thrown at black op development projects ...
>>>
>>> Perhaps here, it would be wise to never say never ...
>>
>> Perhaps it would be wise to distinguish wild speculation from actual
>> evidence.
>
> Wild speculation?
>
> What part? That the SR-71 was designed and built in the 1950s.
>
> That most scientists, back then, were unaware that such technology had
> actually went beyond theory and had been implemented and was in use?
Yes this part.
Not only scientists but the scientifically literate public knew the general
capability of technology then, just as they do now. There were people who
payed no attention to science who would have been astonished by the
technology, just as there were those who believed, even back then that the
government had technnology for time travel and teleportation; but people who
kept up with technological theories knew pretty well what was possible then,
just as they do now.
>
> That an analogy of this, being made to suggest what is most likely
> occurring today, is in error?
>
> Funny, I think it all either absolute fact, or highly probably and
> based in reality!
>
> Regards,
> JS
You're still delusional.
zayton
> On 5/12/2011 1:46 PM, raven1 wrote:
>
>>
>> How do you know what is likely occurring today? Based on what
>> evidence?
>>
>
> No one can, for an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, however, the military ALWAYS
> will only declassify superior technology when the have something
> better ... Janes (www.janes.com) is a good site to research this on. Or,
> any sites which have an overview of historic military technology.
>
>> a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
>>
>
> If two "invisible" laser beams intersect each other, at a point, the
> frequency of the resulting light can be in the humanly visible
> spectrum.
> Ever see the glass cubes with the "etchings of objects" in the
> interior? This is the result of two laser beams, each of which
> passes the glass without harming it. However, where the two beams
> cross/intersect, a "fracturing" of the glass results at that small
> point. Tightly controlled and manipulated, the "etching" is drawn
> ... visible "pictures" can be drawn in the plain atmosphere using the
> same method,
No.
You can't etch air.
with the two "invisible" beams already mentioned. This
> is done very rapidly, but then, so is a picture "painted" on a TV
> picture tube, it works quite nicely, since the human eye/brain is so
> slow in processing ...
Air isn't a phosper-coated material.
>> Do you have any evidence to suggest that this can be done, or is
>> this, again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
>> explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
>> the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
>> vanishes?
>>
>
> Yes, if the beams cease to quit rapidly redrawing the "picture" in the
> atmosphere, the picture ceases to exist. And the above applies ...
You can't draw pictures on airl.
>
>>> Funny, I think it all either absolute fact, or highly probably and
>>> based in reality!
>>
>> Again, based on evidence, or speculation?
>
> Proof ... the evidence is that it is already being done ...
Not in air.
>
> Regards,
> JS
John Smith
You are a fool, where the two beams strike each other (overlap), a
visible frequency of light can be created, with the proper manipulations
of the two beams, and where they over lap, a picture can be painted ...
Forget phosphor, the TV screen was only used as an example of a beam
painting a picture, in real time, with the eye too slow to detect ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
You are a simple obfuscating baboon ... plonk ...
Find someone in your age group to play with ...
Regards,
JS
zayton
>>>
>>> Funny, most of what you are quoting is what has already been proven
>>> to be false from the videos, right?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> JS
>>
>> Which parts, precisely, have been proven false by videos?
>
>
> carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to
> hijackers, only he got their names wrong. This Osama also used the
> wrong hand to write with and wore gold rings, a practice totally in
> opposition to the Muslim faith."
>
>
> I am sure you can find the video, still, on youtube ...
>
> Regards,
> JS
I'm sure we can find video of some nutcase making these allegations.
Among the problems with that are these:
The governemnt has not admitted that the videos are fakes or frauds.
The video is not mistranslated.
The names of the henchmen are not mispronounced.
Osama does not use the wrong hand to write somehting.
zayton
> On 5/12/2011 4:39 PM, oldwifetale wrote:
>
>> ...
>
> better analysis and more fraudulent tapes, of course ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41UAnkQARFs
>
> Regards,
> JS
I recall the tape showing Bin Laden in a house or other enclosed space; I
believe this nutcase is talking about the worng tape.
zayton
Not a coherant picture in open air.
Not with current technology.
Not even with technology for which current theory exists.
A perfectly diffused mist or fog is required.
Even then, projection is possible only over short distance and in relatively
small scale.
>
> Forget phosphor, the TV screen was only used as an example of a beam
> painting a picture, in real time, with the eye too slow to detect ...
>
You must have a medium (not air) in or on which to "paint"; and it can only
be done in limited scale at near distance.
zayton
But the nutcases will hang on to their delusions to the bitter end.
zayton
> On 5/12/2011 6:07 AM, twofeathers wrote:
>> On May 11, 4:25 pm, "skepti...@aol.com"<skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> On May 11, 9:07 am, twofeathers<miketwofeath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 10, 6:00 pm, "skepti...@aol.com"<skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On May 10, 2:47 pm, joeturn<joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On May 10, 9:36 am, raven1<quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 10 May 2011 00:53:12 -0700 (PDT), "skepti...@aol.com"
>>>
>>>>>>> <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Osama Bin Ladin did not do the 911 attacks, he could not do
>>>>>>>> them. The attacks involved billions of dollars, and hundreds
>>>>>>>> of US intelligence agents and US military personnel killing
>>>>>>>> Americans on Sept. 11th, 2001.
>>>
>>>>>>> Yawn. You're really getting boring, Skep.
>>>
>>>>>> Skep had relatives and friends onboard the staton Island ferry
>>>>>> that day that told him no planes went into any of the towers
>>>>>> that day.
>>>
>>>>> There were planes that hit the WTC, those planes were radio
>>>>> controlled by the Cheney Bush White House and Bush's brother
>>>>> Marvin Bush and distant relative Clint Walker were on the WTC's
>>>>> security's board of directors, when the buildings were being
>>>>> rigged for months with pre- placed explosives. The buildings
>>>>> (including building 7) were almost completely turned to dust.
>>>>> Imagine the energy it took to turn three buildings into a
>>>>> pyroclastic cloud! The United Snkaes is a banana republic.
>>>
>>>> yeah and so was all those bombers that walked into various places
>>>> all cia stuff , right, now explain why bin laden claimed they
>>>> were his doings? as far as the building going down not hard to
>>>> imagine the pressure on each floor going down that was increased
>>>> from the one above it, banana's are for white non-human trash-
>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> in the 911 attacks, he said in person to journalists that he could
>>> not have done such an attack, (it was beyond his ability) and he
>>> morally WOULD NOT DO such an attack. One way you can tell that it
>>> was the White House and Guiliani is how fast the authorities
>>> started to remove rubble, Guiliani bragged that he has 40 truck
>>> loads disappeared to China on the first day! Also there was very
>>> little rubble, no pancaked flours, most of the WTC towers and
>>> building 7 had been turned to dust.
>>
>> bin laden:
>> we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who
>> would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated
>> that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I
>> was the most optimistic of them all...We had notification since the
>> previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had
>> finished our work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta)
>> from the Egyptian family (meaning the al-Qaeda Egyptian group), was
>> in charge of the group...The brothers, who conducted the operation,
>> all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked
>> each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about
>> the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did
>> not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just
>> before they boarded the planes.
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html
>>
>> Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an
>> Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct
>> responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States.
>> INDEPTH: Remembering September 11
>>
>> The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in
>> America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the
>> freedom of our nation," said bin Laden, dressed in yellow and white
>> robes and videotaped against a plain brown background.
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/Terrorism/story?id=1995630&page=1
>>
>> In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. All praise is
>> due to Allah, Lord of the Worlds, and prayers and peace upon the
>> Prophets and Messengers.
>>
>> As for what follows:
>>
>> From Usama bin Muhammad bin Ladin to the American people: peace be
>> upon he who has followed the Guidance.
>>
>> This is a brief message whose topic is my testimony on behalf of the
>> Muslim prisoners you are holding, and in it I will talk about the
>> truth concerning them, which is something which the Bush
>> administration hates and is hostile to.
>>
>> I begin by talking about the honorable brother Zacarias Moussaoui
>>
>> The truth is that he has no connection whatsoever with the events of
>> September 11th, and I am certain of what I say, because I was
>> responsible for entrusting the 19 brothers -- Allah have mercy upon
>> them -- with those raids, and I did not assign brother Zacarias to be
>> with them on that mission. And his confession that he was assigned to
>> participate in those raids is a false confession which no intelligent
>> person doubts is a result of the pressure put upon him for the past
>> four and a half years.
>>
>> And were this pressure lifted from him for him to return to his
>> normal state, he would state the fact I mentioned. And among the
>> things that confirm this fact is that the participants in September
>> 11th were two groups: pilots and support teams for each pilot in
>> order to control the aircraft. And since Zacarias Moussaoui was
>> learning how to fly, it follows that he wasn't component #20 from
>> the teams which helped to control the airplanes, as your government
>> previously claimed, and your government knows this fact with
>> certainty. And if Moussaoui was studying aviation to become a pilot of
>> one of
>> the planes, then let him tell us the names of those assigned to help
>> him control the plane. But he won't be able to tell us their names,
>> for a simple reason: that in fact they don't exist. This is from one
>> perspective, and from another perspective, the brother
>>
>> Moussaoui was arrested two weeks before the events, and had he known
>> anything -- however little -- about the September 11th group, we
>> would have told the brother Commander Mohamed Atta and his brothers
>> -- Allah have mercy upon them -- to leave America immediately before
>> their affair was exposed. And with this it becomes clear to even the
>> novice investigator -- not to mention the seasoned one -- that there
>> is no connection between him and the events of September 11th.
>>
>
> Funny, most of what you are quoting is what has already been proven to
> be false from the videos, right?
>
> Regards,
> JS
No.
Wrong.
raven1
wrote:
I find it amusing that this thread has degenerated into nutcases
defending scenarios that should embarrass whatever sane "Truthers" may
be out there. "The Bush Administration had specific advance knowledge
of 9/11 but let it happen" is unsupported by evidence, but is at least
within the realm of possibility. "The Bush Administration perpetrated
9/11" is wildly unlikely based on the evidence. "The planes were
holograms" is sheer kookery.
joeturn
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 09:59:27 -0700, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 5/12/2011 8:04 AM, raven1 wrote:
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> On 5/11/2011 8:04 PM, zayton wrote:
>
> >>>> ...
> >>>> credulity and stupidity required to entertain both of those notions at the
> >>>> same time is astounding.
>
> >>> When you consider that the SR-71 Blackbird was first flown in the late
> >>> 1950s, when such a plane was widely still considered to be science
> >>> fiction ... I would, naturally, suspect they now have something just as
> >>> amazing and we would consider still in the realm of science ...
> >>> especially since the billions or even trillions which have been thrown
> >>> at black op development projects ...
>
> >>> Perhaps here, it would be wise to never say never ...
>
> >> Perhaps it would be wise to distinguish wild speculation from actual
> >> evidence.
>
> >Wild speculation?
>
> >What part? That the SR-71 was designed and built in the 1950s.
>
> >That most scientists, back then, were unaware that such technology had
> >actually went beyond theory and had been implemented and was in use?
>
> SR-71 was more a feat of engineering than theory.
>
> >That an analogy of this, being made to suggest what is most likely
> >occurring today, is in error?
>
> evidence?
>
> a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
>
> again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
> explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
> the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
> vanishes?
>
> >in reality!
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
The hologram did fell in mid flight and the plane lost its wings and
grew them back twice before impact as captured by Evan Fairbanks film!
joeturn
>
> > >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> the 911 attacks, he said in person to journalists that he could not
> > >> have done such an attack, (it was beyond his ability) and he morally
> > >> WOULD NOT DO such an attack. One way you can tell that it was the
> > >> White House and Guiliani is how fast the authorities started to remove
> > >> rubble, Guiliani bragged that he has 40 truck loads disappeared to
> > >> China on the first day! Also there was very little rubble, no pancaked
> > >> flours, most of the WTC towers and building 7 had been turned to dust.
>
> > > bin laden:
> > > we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who
> > > would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that
> > > the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the
> > > most optimistic of them all...We had notification since the previous
> > > Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our
> > > work that day and had the radio on...Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian
> > > family (meaning the al-Qaeda Egyptian group), was in charge of the
> > > group...The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was
> > > that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go
> > > to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even
> > > one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation
> > > to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
joeturn
> On 11-05-12 4:46 PM, raven1 wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 12 May 2011 09:59:27 -0700, John Smith<bit_buc...@gmx.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 5/12/2011 8:04 AM, raven1 wrote:
> > I was thinking along the lines of "So, you think the CIA can project
> > a hologram in a clear sky with no medium to project it on"
>
> > Do you have any evidence to suggest that this can be done, or is this,
> > again, speculation? And quite frankly, which is a more likely
> > explanation? That airplanes were used, or holograms? What happens if
> > the hologram equipment fails in mid-attack, and the plane just
> > vanishes?
>
Sure it does Nasas Bluebeam Project has came a long way,they will show
the whole world a fake rapture.