Inequality in America is Worse than In Egypt, Tunisia or Yemen
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Egyptian, Tunisian and Yemeni protesters all say that inequality is
one of the main reasons they're protesting. However, the U.S. actually
has much greater inequality than in any of those
countries.Specifically, the "Gini Coefficient" - the figure economists
use to measure inequality - is higher in the U.S. Gini Coefficients
are like golf - the lower the score, the better (i.e. the more
equality).According to the CIA World Fact Book, the U.S. is ranked as
the 42nd most unequal country in the world, with a Gini Coefficient of
45. In contrast:· Tunisia is ranked the 62nd most unequal country,
with a Gini Coefficient of 40.· Yemen is ranked 76th most unequal,
with a Gini Coefficient of 37.7.· And Egypt is ranked as the 90th most
unequal country, with a Gini Coefficient of around 34.4.And inequality
in the U.S. has soared in the last couple of years, since the Gini
Coefficient was last calculated, so it is undoubtedly currently much
higher.So why are Egyptians rioting, while the Americans are
complacent?Well, Americans - until recently - have been some of the
wealthiest people in the world, with most having plenty of comforts
(and/or entertainment) and more than enough to eat.But another reason
is that - as Dan Ariely of Duke University and Michael I. Norton of
Harvard Business School demonstrate - Americans consistently
underestimate the amount of inequality in our nation.As William Alden
wrote last September:Americans vastly underestimate the degree of
wealth inequality in America, and we believe that the distribution
should be far more equitable than it actually is, according to a new
study.Or, as the study's authors put it: "All demographic groups --
even those not usually associated with wealth redistribution such as
Republicans and the wealthy -- desired a more equal distribution of
wealth than the status quo."The report ... "Building a Better America
-- One Wealth Quintile At A Time" by Dan Ariely of Duke University and
Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School ... shows that across
ideological, economic and gender groups, Americans thought the richest
20 percent of our society controlled about 59 percent of the wealth,
while the real number is closer to 84 percent.
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
RickyBobby
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I do not disagree with your facts but there is a big difference between the
West and Yemen and the rest. If the USA had royalty they would be Michael
Jordan as King and Oprah Winfrey as Queen. And neither one of them were
born with any silver spoon in their mouth. The just did it because they
were good enough to do it.
Bill Gates started Microsoft in his dorm room and Dell and Jobs and the rest
started their computer empire in their garage.
Most people in Yemen, Sudan, Egypt, and Tunisia do not have a dorm room or a
garage.
It is true, and often stated, that the top five percent of the USA control
70 or 80 percent of the real wealth. But they control 0% of the real
opportunity. There is another Facebook or Twitter or eBay or PayPal or
Zynga coming out Monday morning in the USA or Canada or Europe or South
America.
How many self-made billionaires come from the Mideast or Africa? Where is
their Rupert Murdoch?
Mexico may have its problems with economic disparity but the richest man in
the free world is the man who brought the cell phone provider into Mexico.
It makes be sad that the 18 million people in Cairo are going to wake up
Monday morning into a damaged city with fewer services than ever before.
Good luck with that rioting and burning improving your lot. That is going
to be 18 million fearful and mostly broke and hungry people.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
> wrote in messagenews:5ba987ab-b187-47d6...@a28g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>
> I do not disagree with your facts but there is a big difference between the
> West and Yemen and the rest. If the USA had royalty they would be Michael
> Jordan as King and Oprah Winfrey as Queen. And neither one of them were
> born with any silver spoon in their mouth. The just did it because they
> were good enough to do it.
>
> Bill Gates started Microsoft in his dorm room and Dell and Jobs and the rest
> started their computer empire in their garage.
>
> Most people in Yemen, Sudan, Egypt, and Tunisia do not have a dorm room or a
> garage.
>
> It is true, and often stated, that the top five percent of the USA control
> 70 or 80 percent of the real wealth. But they control 0% of the real
> opportunity. There is another Facebook or Twitter or eBay or PayPal or
> Zynga coming out Monday morning in the USA or Canada or Europe or South
> America.
>
> How many self-made billionaires come from the Mideast or Africa? Where is
> their Rupert Murdoch?
The chance of Americans becoming filthy rich are as high as winning
the lotto...
Don't they have lotto in Muslim countries? Maybe that's what they
need!
>
> Mexico may have its problems with economic disparity but the richest man in
> the free world is the man who brought the cell phone provider into Mexico.
>
> It makes be sad that the 18 million people in Cairo are going to wake up
> Monday morning into a damaged city with fewer services than ever before.
> Good luck with that rioting and burning improving your lot. That is going
> to be 18 million fearful and mostly broke and hungry people.
Don't be such a pessimist. The British said the same about the
Americans.
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>Egyptian, Tunisian and Yemeni protesters all say that inequality is
>one of the main reasons they're protesting. However, the U.S. actually
>has much greater inequality than in any of those
>countries.Specifically, the "Gini Coefficient" - the figure economists
>use to measure inequality - is higher in the U.S. Gini Coefficients
>are like golf - the lower the score, the better (i.e. the more
>equality).According to the CIA World Fact Book, the U.S. is ranked as
>the 42nd most unequal country in the world, with a Gini Coefficient of
>45. In contrast:· Tunisia is ranked the 62nd most unequal country,
>with a Gini Coefficient of 40.· Yemen is ranked 76th most unequal,
>with a Gini Coefficient of 37.7.· And Egypt is ranked as the 90th most
>unequal country, with a Gini Coefficient of around 34.4.And inequality
>in the U.S. has soared in the last couple of years, since the Gini
>Coefficient was last calculated, so it is undoubtedly currently much
>higher.
I disagree. It's doubtedly much higher, until the numbers are shown.
Might be only modestly higher (also doubted.)
>So why are Egyptians rioting, while the Americans are
>complacent?Well, Americans - until recently - have been some of the
>wealthiest people in the world, with most having plenty of comforts
>(and/or entertainment) and more than enough to eat.But another reason
>is that - as Dan Ariely of Duke University and Michael I. Norton of
>Harvard Business School demonstrate - Americans consistently
>underestimate the amount of inequality in our nation.
That's a charitable take on it.
Most Merkuns are plain dumb, and will take their information from
Whackypedia or from Faux News, or blow off the whole deal and believe
what the dumbasses at the lodge or the bar say. But you can hardly
blame those who are paying attention to the mass media for believing
that The American Dream is just another few years of running on the
treadmill to turn the grindstone away. Or that it's "class warfare"
for the lower and middle classes to want the means of survival in some
better than subsistence manner to be better shared around than they
are in contemporary U.S.
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RickyBobby
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle" wrote in
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I am not a pessimist. I am a realist. I do not see how Cairo supports
eighteen million people with any sort of dignity.
You can say that an educated people are the most important thing. You can
say that selling natural resources is the most important thing. You can say
that skin tone or race or creed or religion or ancient history are the most
important thing. You can say that women wearing veils or women going to
university are the most important thing. You can say that the number of
children born per couple is the most important thing.
The most important thing is really the thing that works.
I personally do not care if the next person to read this post is a Jew (5000
years ago) or an agnostic (today) or a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Muslim or
any of the other belief systems. I only care that they are born into a
place, anywhere, that has some basics of a reasonable life.
The world is getting ever smaller so that means that everyone in the world
should have greater opportunity. Perhaps not so much in North Korea or
Burma, but in most other nations.
It is painful to see the throes that Egypt or Yemen or Tunisia are going
through. But in the abstract, I can see their point. They see that the
"average" person in the West has a nice house or apartment and security and
a chance of upward mobility if they work hard.
I cannot help but notice that Sweden and Switzerland are often cited as the
best quality of life in the world and they are not rife with oil fields or
diamond mines. They simply have learned how to conduct the business of
running a nation.
On the other hand, Qatar, Kuwait, and UAE have also learned how to run a
nation two hemispheres away. So have Australia and New Zealand.
We are coming to troubled times. Water, climate, food prices are not
anything that can be ignored. Nor can the power of the internet be ignored.
Interesting times indeed.
Art Tandy
In any freemarket economy, there will always be some inequality
created by competition.Denying this is the act of an ignoramus.
Red Cloud
> Washington's Blog
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Next you will say it's even worse than Somalia.
Or far worse than Mex.
Ask why the hell so many wetbacks are trying to across the border if
US is worse than Mex.
Apostate
wrote:
On what planet, then?
Two hemispheres away can't be on the same planet.
<jockstraps stripped off>
Apostate
An extraordinarily lame rationalization. Why am I not surprised?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
Yeah, what counts is the DEGREE to which this is true. I'm sure
there's a difference b/ Congo and Germany, to cite just one example.
We could also say b/ America and Mexico or America and Canada... Big
difference! They even enjoy low crime and universal healthcare in
Canada.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
Wait, wait, Mexico is worse than America and America worse than
Canada. Everybody knows that.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle" wrote in
We got to move from competition to cooperation or else we'll be eating
each other like in Ester Island.
The Internet is the best opportunity we got for the monkey to scream
louder than the roar of the lion. Isn't that a beautiful metaphor?
I just hate the idea of eating a Christian.
-------------------------------------------------
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
Art Tandy
Well, you could avoid the freemarket by moving to a Communist
run-country.Unfortunately, there are precious few left.
Your choices are actually 2 right now-Cuba and North Korea.
Bon voyage.
>
> --
> Apostate alt.atheist #1931 I've found it!
> BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer freelance Minion #'e'
> EAC Deputy Director in Charge of Getting Paid,
> Department of Redundancy Department
>
> "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure
> and the intelligent are full of doubt." -- Bertrand Russell
>
> "Mr. Worf, set phasers on "Fuck You" and fire at will."
> -- Doc Smartass
>
> "Nature has a dark sense of humor, but life is certainly
> one of the things it laughs at."
> -- Rinaldo of Capadoccia
>
> e-mail to %mynick%periodaaperiod%myAA#%@gee!mail!dottedcommie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
> On Jan 30, 3:45 pm, Apostate <Apost...@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:35:33 -0800 (PST), Art Tandy
>
> > <atandy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Jan 30, 11:46 am, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >created by competition.Denying this is the act of an ignoramus.
>
> > An extraordinarily lame rationalization. Why am I not surprised?
>
> Well, you could avoid the freemarket by moving to a Communist
> run-country.Unfortunately, there are precious few left.
>
> Your choices are actually 2 right now-Cuba and North Korea.
I want something nice and moderate like Holland or even Canada.
You may keep dog-eat-dog capitalism.
Nunya Bidnits
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
<plonk screedbait>
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Truth is ugly sometimes...
You better tune to Fox.
Red Cloud
Sure. Those Hispanic/Mexican social activist surely know that but
they still complain
at White USA system. Why?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's better for Mexico to follow Tunisia and Egypt and end of story.
Mexico is a failed state, isn't it?
skep...@aol.com
> wrote in messagenews:5ba987ab-b187-47d6...@a28g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
>
> I do not disagree with your facts but there is a big difference between the
> West and Yemen and the rest. If the USA had royalty they would be Michael
> Jordan as King and Oprah Winfrey as Queen. And neither one of them were
> born with any silver spoon in their mouth. The just did it because they
> were good enough to do it.
>
> Bill Gates started Microsoft in his dorm room and Dell and Jobs and the rest
> started their computer empire in their garage.
>
> Most people in Yemen, Sudan, Egypt, and Tunisia do not have a dorm room or a
> garage.
>
> It is true, and often stated, that the top five percent of the USA control
> 70 or 80 percent of the real wealth. But they control 0% of the real
> opportunity. There is another Facebook or Twitter or eBay or PayPal or
> Zynga coming out Monday morning in the USA or Canada or Europe or South
> America.
>
> How many self-made billionaires come from the Mideast or Africa? Where is
> their Rupert Murdoch?
>
> Mexico may have its problems with economic disparity but the richest man in
> the free world is the man who brought the cell phone provider into Mexico.
>
> It makes be sad that the 18 million people in Cairo are going to wake up
> Monday morning into a damaged city with fewer services than ever before.
> Good luck with that rioting and burning improving your lot. That is going
> to be 18 million fearful and mostly broke and hungry people.
The United States and other predatory powers (Europe, Japan) have so
many obscenely wealthy elites because the US empire preys on the
world, whether its Mexico, or Egypt. Capitalism is horror and it’s
failing world humanity.
skep...@aol.com
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Well said, T Monkey.
skep...@aol.com
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle" wrote in
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Sweden and Switzerland are both Imperialist countries. These
capitalist have the US military and Nato doing their dirty work for
them, invading countries, mass murdering people as we speak, and
systematically torturing men, women and children, (millionsof people
have been murdered, starved to death, or died from disease in
Afghanistan and Iraq in the last 10 years) so that the USA and Nato
can steal their stuff.
Jim Austin
Those who think so and find it unacceptable should be invited to leave
America and move to Egypt, Tunisia or Yemen.
<Snip> The rest.
skep...@aol.com
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Tunis and Egypt is showing that our Masters can turn off the internet
or cell phones with a flick of the switch.
Zacharias Mulletstein
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I earned my money, I DESERVE to keep it! Fuck the poor. It's their fault
for not being rich.
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Jesus Christ, and I am proud of it.
Red Cloud
Who is stop Mexico? USA? No you idiot. It's Mexicans. Tell your
cockroach amigo
to stop crossing the border. Go fight against their Spanish White
elites master who control everything in Mexico down to all other
Hispanic nations. It is Mexicans who are utterly failing their
nation they can't make it so they have to across the border and they
have the fucking nerve to protest at White USA. FUCK Mexicans. I'm
not pro white USA but I'm not liberal to join with anti-USA Hispanic
activists. They completely have failed their Hispanic nation and now
they illegal invaded into USA and claim this is their territory.
The most ugly fucking race can not be White USA, it's the Third World
failed race like Mexicans.. Did I come to live under nation created
by Mexicans?
Kilmir
It's not either Freemarket or Communism. There are grey areas like
socialist capitalism which brings the best of both worlds. Most
western countries are based on those principles, even America to a
degree (you wouldn't want the police to be a free market for
instance).
Most European countries are just a bit more socialist then the USA,
which translates into increased average quality of life and less
wealth disparity. Still enough freedom to drive personal ambition like
in a free market though.
Mickey
wrote:
> <skepti...@aol.com> wrote in message
> Jesus Christ, and I am braindead because of it.-
RickyBobby
I want something nice and moderate like Holland or even Canada.
You may keep dog-eat-dog capitalism.
Let me know when nice Holland or Canada contribute something to the world.
Computer USA
Internet USA
YouTube USA
Twitter USA
email USA
World of Warcraft USA
TV and movies USA
The rest of the world worships at the feet of the USA in all things.
RickyBobby
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On Jan 30, 12:08 pm, "RickyBobby" <nasca...@cox.net> wrote:
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>
> Inequality In America Is Worse Than In Egypt, Tunisia Or Yemenby
> Washington's Blog
>
> Global Research, January 29, 2011
> Washington's Blog - 2011-01-28
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> Egyptian, Tunisian and Yemeni protesters all say that inequality is
> one of the main reasons they're protesting. However, the U.S. actually
> has much greater inequality than in any of those
> countries.Specifically, the "Gini Coefficient" - the figure economists
> use to measure inequality - is higher in the U.S. Gini Coefficients
> are like golf - the lower the score, the better (i.e. the more
> equality).According to the CIA World Fact Book, the U.S. is ranked as
> the 42nd most unequal country in the world, with a Gini Coefficient of
> 45. In contrast:� Tunisia is ranked the 62nd most unequal country,
> with a Gini Coefficient of 40.� Yemen is ranked 76th most unequal,
> with a Gini Coefficient of 37.7.� And Egypt is ranked as the 90th most
world, whether its Mexico, or Egypt. Capitalism is horror and it�s
failing world humanity.
Everything from blue jeans to Twitter came out of capitalism. If people
want to reject capitalism let them take off their clothes and walk to their
non-existent job and non-existent store.
The countries that make a big deal of not having capitalism are Cuba and
North Korea. Do you want to live in either one of them? They have no
capitalism so it should suit you just fine.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
You create the conditions whereby they necessarily lose. You have put
walls around the Gated Communities and armed yourself with armored
vehicles commonly known as SUVs. You will pay the price of their anger
sooner or later.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
Wait a minute, why are they killing each other if it's not to keep
your hypocritical drug policy in place (please the Christians) while
you make a good business selling guns down there? And why did you save
Mexico from falling when you gave them a massive bailout some years
back?
Hey, drop that drug war and things will get considerably better.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
Yep, in an imperfect world that is somewhat the best solution. And it
could be even better. They also got carried away in the post-communist
capitalist party. Their unemployment is going through the roof while
France's 35 workweek is under attack.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
Most the above are pernicious. TV and movies is how they influence the
world and have them drooling over the American way of life.
And don't forget its contribution to WORLD OBESITY through junk food
and sedentary lifestyle.
Are you including the drone in that world of warcraft? You push a
button here and it kills people there. Wait Iran is working on that
too.
skep...@aol.com
> Computer USA--->World Wide Torture Chambers Operated by US Intelligence
> Internet USA--->40,000 people (mostly Children dying a day, becuase of Capitalism)
> YouTube USA---->US doesn't produce much, but indecent Hollywood trying to control
people's minds all around
the world.
> Twitter USA---->Armies, Navies and Airforces dominating all countries offensive war
> email USA---->More prisoners than any other country 5 times the prisoners than China who has three times US popluation
>
> World of Warcraft USA---->Is this seriously a category to be proud of?
Violent Video
games?
> TV and movies USA---->Women's right to have an abortion almost gone.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
to Rome."
That's why the Jews hate him!
Red Cloud
Mex failing monetary system is failed their economic system. They
needed USA
help since they did not secure their border and they did not create
their own system.
Mex love to stick with White USA system. Who can stop that? Mex. Not
Anglo USA nor Wall-Street Jewish USA nor YOU. Mex system is totally
run by the Spanish elites. Their model is based on USA imperial
system. Mex has no their own model. They have USA model. Who can
destroy Mex USA model? It's the average Mexicans. Not YOU! You can't
help them! It's overpopulated underclass who make up the majority or
Mex population have to destroy their Spanish elite system. You
can't help them. This is called "Mexican revolution." Mexicans have
to go back to their own land and fight for their own right. And stick
your nose out of the Mex affair!!!! All your gov't can do is send
Mexicans back to where they belong and let them fight for their own
right.
Look all these Mexicans in USA are just a mass consumer. That's all.
They are here to consume as wanna-be capitalist. That's all they
know. They are extremely naive and irresponsible race in the world.
They are far worse than mulism and any Asian nation.
No wonder Mexico is failing behind all Asian nations.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
Pretty bleak look at Mexico. I hope at least you like Jalapeno and
Tequila.
But Spanish model is not even practiced in Spain. Maybe they are less
stratified than you are.
You know, I've tailored Mexico's revolution under the Jalapeno. Spicy
and strong like Tequila. Once Mexico legalizes marijuana --which you
don't want, I mean the Christians-- everything will be singing
mariachis again...
Red Cloud
Go eat Chinese food better than Mexican stuff....
Go eat Japanese food better than Mexican stuff.
Go eat Thai food better than Mexican stuff..
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
I don't give fuck about Mexico or Mexican. I don't have to. The
problem is we have
growing and expanding Mexican population. They are growing fat and
obese consumers.
That's all motherfucking Mexicans are. Mexicans know they don't give
a fuck.
They hate all other race. They are bloody fucking ugly racist Third
World race.
What a nightmare cockroach race!
Art Tandy
Actually, it is in the sense that cops compete for promotion and the
increased salaries that go with those promotions,just like
people in the private sector do.Police departments have to cut costs
as much as possible, just as private industry does.
> Most European countries are just a bit more socialist then the USA,
> which translates into increased average quality of life and less
> wealth disparity.
It also translates into high taxes, which discourage individual
effort.
It also dampens the incentive to work hard,since fewer rewards are
available to those who do so.
If you think socialized medicine is so great, talk to the Brits and
Canadians who have to wait years for surgery and who often come to the
usa for it instead.See, they want to be cured asap so they can get on
with their ,lives.
Panjandrum
2) The Mexicans who come to the US work for less than US-born will accept,
and they send some of that meager wage home to their fmilies.
3) If there's a racist in this conversation, it's you.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle
> On Jan 31, 1:54 am, Kilmir <kil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 31, 3:32 am, Art Tandy <atandy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 30, 3:45 pm, Apostate <Apost...@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2011 14:35:33 -0800 (PST), Art Tandy
>
> > > > >On Jan 30, 11:46 am, "skepti...@aol.com" <skepti...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Inequality In America Is Worse Than In Egypt, Tunisia Or Yemenby
> > > > >> Washington's Blog
>
If you personally have medical insurance your opinion is irrelevant.
High-tech, high-cost? America's #1. For the average people and
particularly those NOT insured, their universal system is better.
Red Cloud
> 1) "Mexican" is not a racial distinction.
If you don't know Mexican is the citizen of Mexico than, you must be
joker.
> 2) The Mexicans who come to the US work for less than US-born will accept,
> and they send some of that meager wage home to their fmilies.
This is first time I heard Mexican illegal workers as part of the
social enginnering project. However, I've said in my terminology that
Mexican invasion is a part
of socialization of the underclass and middleclass job market
controlled by cheap wage Mexican workers. This is exactly what is
happening in the low-end of job markets. They are controlled by
Mexicans. You don't get hire if you don't speak spanish. Most business
owners perfer illegal Mexican labor over legal workers. Where are
the jobs for Black and American born citizens? Not much.
This is very very clear what's going in low-end of job markets.
American teen used to work for part time in fast food resturant or
gas station. Now, it's all illegal aliens. Nobody cares. Only
business owner profittering in big time is only matter. This
social-enginnering of utilizing
cheap Mexican worker is the project ready for the big time of North
American Union. It's part
of North American Union. No better way to suggest for the future plan
than North American Union. So what is the really message for the
American born low and middleclass citizen?
Animal fighting for the survival in low-end of food chain or starve to
death which will be the
backbone of the North American Uniont. Without mass slave labor, mass
underclass labors,
North American Union is impossible. I'm telling you: this is the year
2012 Mayan Calendar prediction.
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The Elephant In the Immigration Room By Lee Cary
The ignored elephant in the immigration debate is the negative impact
of illegal immigration on job opportunities for unskilled, uneducated,
native-born U.S. workers -- particularly young African-Americans, but
also native-born Hispanics. In their Hollywood debate, Barack Obama
and Hillary Clinton refused to admit immigration "hits poor and
minorities hardest" as the cliché goes.
While some proponents of a liberal immigration policy admit to
anecdotal evidence of the elephant's existence, they typically
discount a causal relationship between employed illegal immigrants and
unemployed citizens.
Granted, it's hard to document employers hiring illegal immigrants
over legal applicants; after all, it's against the law. But it's not
necessary to film it happening to know that it is. Statistics tell
the story.
First, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Department of
Labor, from December 2006 - December 2007 unemployment among Hispanics
(legal workers assumed since why would illegals participate in a
census?) rose from 5.0 to 6.3%. The number for unemployed African-
Americans increased from 7.9 to 9.0%.
Second, the U.S. government may be vastly underestimating the number
of illegal laborers in the work force. In January 2005, Bear Sterns
Asset Management, Inc. released a report entitled "The Underground
Labor Force Is Rising To The Surface," that states,
"The number of illegal immigrants in the United States may be as
high as 20 million people, more than double the official 9 million
people estimated by the Census Bureau.
Undocumented immigrants are gaining a larger share of the job
market, and hold approximately 12 to 15 million jobs in the United
States - 8% of the employed.
Third, native born Hispanics are not faring as well in the job market
as foreign-born Latinos. A report from the Pew Hispanic Center
entitled "Latino Labor Report 2006: Strong Gains in Employment," dated
September 27, 2006, statistically separates foreign-born Latinos and
native-born Hispanics.
"Foreign-born Latinos continued to dominate the Hispanic labor
force. About eight out of every 10 new jobs landed by Latinos in
2005-2006 went to foreign-born Latinos.
The unemployment rate for foreign-born Latinos was 3.9% in the
second quarter of 2006, a decrease from 4.6% a year earlier. Among
native-born Hispanics, the unemployment rate in the second quarter of
2006 was 6.2%, down from 7.2% in the second quarter of 2005.
The wide array of statistics available from government and private
sector sources leads to this conclusion: Unemployment
disproportionately hits unskilled, uneducated blacks and native-born
Hispanics. Why? It is simple, business economics: (1) In the
unskilled labor market, legal workers offer no greater productivity
than comparable illegal ones; (2) legal hiring requires employers to
conform to U.S. law; and (3) citizen new hires often expect benefits.
In short, more illegal workers cost employers less.
The flood of undocumented workers into the U.S. labor market is a
grand national social-engineering project undertaken with the tacit
approval of both major political parties. It's happening without
counting the short- or long-term costs to the U.S. labor market and
general economy.
The luminaries inside the Beltway seem oblivious to the collateral
damage that our open southern border exacts on young black and
Hispanic high school dropouts. For example, in March 2007, the U.S.
Congress Joint Economic Committee, chaired by Senator Charles Schumer
(D.-NY), held hearings on "Addressing the Problem of African-American
Male Unemployment." Both Senators Clinton and Obama submitted written
statements in their absence. In Schumer's opening remarks he said,
"The growing crisis of joblessness for young African American
men...is profound, persistent and perplexing...In 1999, 65% of black
male high school dropouts in their 20's were jobless - in other words,
not looking or unable to find work - and by 2004, the share had grown
to 72%. 72% jobless! This compares to 29% of white and 19% Hispanic
dropouts." [emphasis added]
What is most perplexing is the absence of any reference to a major
contributing factor to the "Problem of African-American Male
Unemployment." None of the 23 references to "workers" in the official
transcript refers to illegal workers. The word "immigration" appears
in neither Clinton's nor Obama's written statement. Nor, according to
the transcript, was the word spoken during the hearings. The elephant
was invisible.
Had Frederick Douglass been able to testify, he might have repeated
what he said before the A. A. S. Society in New York, May 1853, during
the great wave of immigration before the Civil War:
"Every hour sees the black man elbowed out of employment by some
newly arrived emigrant, whose hunger and whose color are thought to
give him a better title to the place."
The elephant has been in the room for years, growing larger. Steven
Camarota, author of "Dropping Out: Immigrant Entry and Native Exit
From the Labor Market, 2000-2005," released by the Center for
Immigration Studies, writes:
...between March 2000 and March 2005 only 9 percent of the net
increase in jobs for adults (18 to 64) went to natives. This is
striking because natives accounted for 61 percent of the net increase
in the overall size of the 18 to 64 year old population.
As for the less-educated, between March of 2000 and 2005 the
number of adult immigrants (legal and illegal) with only a high school
degree or less in the labor force increased by 1.6 million.
At the same time, unemployment among less-educated adult natives
increased by nearly one million, and the number of natives who left
the labor force altogether increased by 1.5 million. Persons not in
the labor force are neither working nor looking for work. As poor,
unskilled, uneducated illegal immigrants, largely from Mexico, enter
the U.S. labor force, their native-born counterparts exit.
> 3) If there's a racist in this conversation, it's you.
If you find my posting so racist to you, I'm glad you read it
seriously :)
Panjandrum
"G."
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign
> Thanks for confirming that all the buttons on the elevaator aare labelled
> "G."
Or "U"...
(underground)