On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 6:39:59 PM UTC-5, Michael Christ wrote:
> On 1/07/2022 5:25 am, JWS wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 3:45:36 AM UTC-5, Michael Christ wrote:
> >> On 28/06/2022 11:36 pm, JWS wrote:
> >>> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:13:55 PM UTC-5, Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>> On 27/06/2022 8:52 pm, JWS wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 5:24:54 AM UTC-5, Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>> Why is that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, there is nothing to respect.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Everything...comes from your Creator.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rom_11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to
> >>>>>> whom be glory for ever. Amen.
> >>>> JWS wrote:
> >>>>> I don't believe any of this.
> >>>> Beep...resistance...is...futile...
> >>>>
> >>>> Besides, if you don't believe it, is it a "not-real?"
> >>>>
> >>>> We are NOT talking about an obscure understanding here with one man
> >>>> sitting on a mountain in Tibet that no one goes to, waving around his
> >>>> one hand clapping. We are talking about billions of rational people
> >>>> here who have an understanding of God to one degree or another
> >>>> throughout history.
> >>>>
> >>>> And along come Jones, tall thin Jones...and said "I...I don't believe."
> >>>>
> >>>> And thus it was reality.
> >>> You miss the point. We do not believe you because you
> >>> have presented nothing of any substance.
>
> >> But who made people who think the made themselves the measure of substance?
>
> > Who else but me is there to take the measure
> > of substance. You?
> God is the only One worthy. And you don't believe in Him so that leaves
> you as God, I suppose.
> > Should I ask you for the
> > meaning in all that I encounter? Do you think
> > for yourself? Or do you wait for you GOB to
> > tell you? Well GOB does not talk to me. Ever.
> > So I have to rely on myself.
> That is quite a dilemma because you can't find fulfillment in yourself.
> You can only fall short, as we have already discussed (e.g. failure).
> >>> Your "billions
> >>> of rational people" are not rational at all.
> >> Oh okay.
> >>> They have never
> >>> presented anything of any substance either. Believing
> >>> something with no supporting evidence is not rational.
> >> What do you want? God to come down and kneel before you?
>
> > That would be cool.
> What is your claim to fame? :-).
> >> Have you got some references? :-).
> >>> You might be right. All your bullshit here might just
> >>> connect to something real. But you never demonstrate
> >>> that. You just babble like a fool.
> >> Well, I have your opinion.
> >>> So if you want rational
> >>> people
> >> Believing it all just happened which defaults to you creating yourself
> >> is not rational.
>
> > What do I believe "just happened"? NO ONE BELIEVES
> > THEY CREATED THEMSELVES.
> IT IS YOUR DEFAULT POSITION WHEN YOU GO BELOW THE SUPERFICIALITY OF YOUR
> ARGUMENTS.
>
> Abiogenesis, evolution (or vice versa)...then you. You did it yourself;
> the substance that you are did it itself.
>
> By the way, not possible. Or is all that incoherent for you?
> >>> to believe you, you have to have something other
> >>> the fairy tales of 2000 year old, unsophisticated morons.
> >>> Get it?
>
> >> I know you are narrowly referring to oddity behaviour of the past but
> >> ancient people were more sophisticated than people today.
>
> > Living your life at the level of 2000 year old goat fuckers
> > should not be anyone's goal. I don't ride a camel or donkey.
> > I don't wander the desert in a robe and sandals. I don't live
> > in a tent. And I don't eat only with my right hand because I
> > clean my ass with the left. You want to live in Iraq? I'll buy
> > you a ticket.
> We still all do the same things, only we have found different ways to do
> them, and some would argue simpler is better, because all the stress we
> put on ourselves today is simply not worth it. Minimalists, I think
> they call themselves.
>
> And a thousand years from now, if there is thousand years from now
> (doubtful), there will be JWS's speaking as you do now about this time
> and calling you a mobile phone fucker. :-).
> >> They thought
> >> about life and they spoke about life in depth.
>
> > They thought they lived in a shit world and created the idea
> > that somebody really loves them and will give them a new
> > and better life as long as they kissed somebody's ass.
> As you wish. You think people today have got it together? You need to
> look at a few mental health and suicide facts. We don't even know
> what a man and a woman is today, and don't acknowledge in a pregnant
> woman's womb is a human life.
>
> Somebody's kissing somebody's ass!
> >> However, today we are
> >> glued to TV, Netflix, and stuffing our guts and staring at mobile phones.
>
> > And you'll find them in church on Sunday.
> There and everywhere else.
> >
> >> Now you can call that babbling like a fool if you want, but I disagree
> >> with your assessment.
>
> > That is not babbling, it's just mostly wrong.
> >
> >> Besides, and you really think man has advanced in our day? He is still
> >> making the same mistakes over and over and over again.
>
> > Some of us learn, some do not, some embrace reality,
> > some do not. If you have some specific mistakes to
> > talk about, we could do that.
> Yeah. That I left it to 30 years of age to find God, but that was not a
> mistake, it was meant to be. I had to learn that pursuing all the "good
> times" was a fantasy.
> >>>> Then we die...the end.
> >>
> >>> Too bad you have no evidence for a "soul" either. This is
> >>> the crux of the matter. You people are so afraid of death
> >>> that you create this fairy tale that you can live forever.
>
> >> It wasn't all for nothing.
>
> > ?
> You know what I am saying.
> >
> >>> You do not have the guts to create a worthwhile life now,
> >>> the only life you will ever have, and live it to the fullest.
> >> I wouldn't trade my life for anything, but that is probably just a
> >> babbling fool speaking.
>
> > I'm sure you are satisfied with your life.
> I am too, but there is so much more to come. I feel it in my pinky, and
> that is proof positive.
> >>> Just another of your "rational" beliefs that you have zero
> >>> support for. Leave your caveman fears behind. Experience
> >>> reality.
> >>> I have to go burn a goat now so that lightning does not
> >>> strike me in the coming storm.
>
> >> Well, even that is better than believing you created yourself for nothing.
>
> > Straw man yet again.
> Your default position is not a straw man. Asking for "proof" is a straw
> man because everything is a belief, and you decide what you will believe
> and what you will not.
> "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
> an ignorant straw man."
> Have no fear, though, you are not the biggest straw man here, Bob Duncan
> the "Christian" is.
> >> Your Creator has a purpose for your life.
>
> > He should tell me about it some day. That is if
> > he wants me to know about it. He better hurry,
> > it's like November of my life.
> Your Creator has a purpose for your life, even if you died in October.
> It wasn't all for nothing.
> >> We don't need you to believe
> >> that for our supporting evidence.
>
> > And that evidence is what?
> "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
> an ignorant straw man."
> Why?
>
> Everything is a belief.
>
> You are asking me to make you believe. I can't do that. It is a choice
> that you get to make.
There is nothing more that I can say. You have fun with your GOB.