Creation Vs. Evolution - Item 13 - Vestigial Organs
Budikka666
Item 2: http://tinyurl.com/n9dcfh
Item 3: http://tinyurl.com/kt2exk
Item 4: http://tinyurl.com/mfztxy
Item 5: http://tinyurl.com/n596r7
Item 6: http://tinyurl.com/ncree3
Item 7: http://tinyurl.com/nqufcj
Item 8: http://tinyurl.com/p7vu8u
Item 9: http://tinyurl.com/lxjw29
Item 10: http://tinyurl.com/muapjy
Item 11: http://tinyurl.com/nvdqsz
Item 12: http://tinyurl.com/ovpe85
In none of the above items could even one creationist offer a
scientific rebuttal or offer an iota of positive scientific evidence
for creation. Moving on....
Item 13:
PZ Myers discusses the vestigial appendix in humans:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/08/evolution_of_the_appendix.php
And yes, it *is* vestigial. Just because something is claimed to have
some sort of substitute use (and note the key phrase "is claimed" -
not demonstrated, not proven, not shown, but "is claimed" - and again
the creationists have failed to provide the science) doesn't mean it
isn't vestigial.
When you examine the appendix across species like us - i.e. mammals -
you can see that in some it's vestigial, in others it has a definite
purpose, in others, it's non-existent.
Creationists like to claim that it serves an immune function in that
it harbors bacteria which can recolonize the colon (!) after illness.
Howe does this work if some organisms don't even have one? Why is it
necessary for us and not for others?
Note that not one creationist anywhere on the planet has ever done any
scientific research to see if this really is the case, if the appendix
works as advertised - it it actually does serve a useful function.
The best way to completely overturn creationist claims is to take them
at face value and run with them to their "logical" conclusion, so
let's do that here.
The first issue is, why do we need bacteria in our bodies in the first
place?
You know the overwhelming bulk of DNA within the boundaries of our
skin isn't ours? It's bacterial and viral. You have to ask, if a
brilliant mind designed us (literally) from the ground up, why we need
bacteria in the first place. Without them we would die, but these
same bacteria can kill us.
Why didn't the designer create us so our bodies worked perfectly
without them? Creationists have no intelligent or scientific answer.
Given that the designer was too incompetent to design us that way,
then why add the appendix as a bacteria preserve? The appendix itself
is "designed" atrociously in humans and is frequently the source of
illness - illness which can be fatal. Is this the best a divine
designer could come up with? If we needed a bacterial reserve, there
are better ways of providing it.
If the appendix is removed because of that illness, the ex-owner of it
is actually better off than before. the problem is cured and no
immune impairment is discernible, which begs the question: how can
creationists claim it has a real purpose when it can be cut out
completely and no detriment follows?
Evolutionists have scientific explanations for this which can be
tested and examined.
Once again, creationists have nothing but unsupported claims, which
they'll prove right here in this thread by their vacuity, by their
avoidance of dealing with this matter, and by their inability to offer
even a shred of science in positive science in support of creation.
Thank you, creationists, for all your invaluable help in
demonstrating, in *every* message I've posted in this series, that
evolution is correct and creation is nothing but pipe dreams and
wishful thinking.
If there were just one vestigial organ in one species, you could see
that the creationists might have a point (although a point which none
of them have actually demonstrated scientifically), but the appendix
isn't the only vestige in our bodies. Pretty much all organisms have
vestigial parts. In some, these are organs, but they don't have to
be. Vestiges of evolution can be found everywhere - from organs and
our anatomy down to DNA and biochemicals and even in fossils.
There isn't any rational - let alone scientific - explanation for this
plethora of waste and poor design *except* for the Theory of
Evolution. Unless of course, your "design theory" calls for a
thoroughly incompetent designer.
Creation loses yet again.
Budikka
Lisbeth Andersson
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om:
>
> There isn't any rational - let alone scientific - explanation for
> this plethora of waste and poor design *except* for the Theory of
> Evolution. Unless of course, your "design theory" calls for a
> thoroughly incompetent designer.
>
>
If you are not careful, you'll end up proving that the polytheists are
right. All living things were designed by a committe, there is no
other way to screw up things so thoroughly, :-)
Lisbeth.
--
The day I don't learn anything new is the day I die.
*What we know is not nearly as interesting as *how we know it.
Budikka
> Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote innews:7d529bf0-99e5-482d...@m38g2000yqh.googlegroups.c
> om:
>
>
>
> > There isn't any rational - let alone scientific - explanation for
> > this plethora of waste and poor design *except* for the Theory of
> > Evolution. Unless of course, your "design theory" calls for a
> > thoroughly incompetent designer.
>
> If you are not careful, you'll end up proving that the polytheists are
> right. All living things were designed by a committe, there is no
> other way to screw up things so thoroughly, :-)
I was getting away with this until you had to go bring *that* up!
Grrr!
(Hey did a committee spell the committe you wrote are are you secretly
French? ;)
Budikka
Lisbeth Andersson
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om:
> On Aug 27, 10:22�am, Lisbeth Andersson <lis...@bredband.net>
> wrote:
>> Budikka666 <budik...@netscape.net> wrote
>> innews:7d529bf0-99e5-482d-9599-7
> 320d1...@m38g2000yqh.googlegroups.c
>> om:
>>
>>
>>
>> > There isn't any rational - let alone scientific - explanation
>> > for this plethora of waste and poor design *except* for the
>> > Theory of Evolution. �Unless of course, your "design theory"
>> > calls for a thoroughly incompetent designer.
>>
>> If you are not careful, you'll end up proving that the
>> polytheists are right. All living things were designed by a
>> committe, there is no other way to screw up things so
>> thoroughly, :-)
>
> I was getting away with this until you had to go bring *that* up!
> Grrr!
> (Hey did a committee spell the committe you wrote are are you
> secretly French? ;)
>
I usually (try to avoid) spell it kommitte. Doesn't look french to me.
I also try to avoid thinking about those french classes back in
prehistory.
Your spellchecking service is very convenient.