The Unborn Are The Jews Of The Fornication Culture
wordsof...@email.com
The unborn are the Jews of the fornication culture. We live in a
fornication culture in which sexual acts have been depersonalized and
despiritualized into mechanical acts of fundamentally anonymous
transient physical and emotional release. In such a culture, fertility
is an enemy, and the unborn are highly inconvenient.
The unborn, like the Jews in Nazi Germany, are the scapegoats for
personal problems and frustrations. Like the Jews of that time and
place, the unborn are highly vulnerable, easily located, and pose no
threat of resistance. Like the Jews, the unborn are viewed as eminently
disposable to a culture predisposed to resent them as a nuisance. The
unborn are indeed a nuisance to the fornication culture, as Jews were a
nuisance to a racist Aryan culture.
The unborn demonstrate the inalterable purpose of sexuality:
procreation. This reminder of the purpose of sexuality is anathema to a
fornication culture, just as the demonstrated economic and social
success of German Jews was anathema to the racist ideology of the
Nazis.
And so the unborn are indeed the Jews of the fornication culture. But
the fornication culture is, even more deeply, a culture of egoism. In
that culture, the unborn will not remain the only nuisance to be
eliminated. The disabled infant must also be eliminated as a burden.
And if the disabled infant, then also the disabled child and adult. And
certainly the elderly person whose care is an economic and emotional
burden. Unbounded egoism will keep adding nuisances to eliminate. We
are all potentially on that list of nuisances.
In the nineteen thirties, an anti-Nazi Lutheran clergyman, Pastor
Martin Niemöller, uttered this now famous quote:
'First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I
said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a
Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I
was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was
not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no
one left to stand up for me.'
Pastor Martin Niemöller
We need to apply that quote to the fornication culture of unbounded
selfishness that we are in today. Lincoln anticipated the same logic of
Pastor Niemöller when Lincoln pointed to the danger of carving
exceptions to the equality proclaimed in the Declaration of
Independence. Lincoln warned that an exception to enslave the "Negro"
opened the way to further exceptions to enslave more and more people
(see Powerlineblog.com for July 4, 2003). Yes, the unborn are the
persecuted Jews and enslaved "Negroes" of our fornication culture.
http://catholicanalysis.blogspot.com/2004/10/jews-of-fornication-culture.html
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton
The unborn are not HUMANS, and it seems neither are you!
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Mark K. Bilbo
wordsoftruth114 burst into the room and exclaimed:
> The Unborn Are The Jews Of The Fornication Culture
You just get weirder by the post...
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bam
"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote in message
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> What a load of rubbish!
>
> The unborn are not HUMANS, and it seems neither are you!
Shutup punk. Who wants the opinion of a pussy?
BAM
satyr
>The Jews of the Fornication Culture
>
>
>The unborn are the Jews of the fornication culture. We live in a
>fornication culture
I thought you said we lived in a pornographic culture.
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ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton
"bam" <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
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: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote in message
:
:
James
> On 5 Aug 2005 19:11:12 -0700, wordsof...@email.com wrote:
>
>
>>The Jews of the Fornication Culture
>>
>>
>>The unborn are the Jews of the fornication culture. We live in a
>>fornication culture
>
>
> I thought you said we lived in a pornographic culture.
I hereby dub it the "pornication" culture. And that, quite frankly, is
the most awesome term ever applied to anything.
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then babies aren't really "human" either, so if abortion is OK why is
infanticide not? just because of this joke about "as long as it's
inside the women it can be killed, but once outside , Its a crime!"
It's accepted in eastern countries, which is the ultimate in taboo here
in the west, but why? Why's it so hard to accept that things, like goo
or babies, that don't have true human consiousness means that they
aren't human. yet the american gov't wont even fund scientists who want
to play with goo because they call that goo "human life", what a total
farce, I'd say those scientists are promoting a "culture of life" i'd
say the naysaying christian community is promoting a "culture of goo"
and of death in iraq, which by the way are actually humans, not just
human goo.
Mark K. Bilbo
and exclaimed:
> satyr wrote:
>> On 5 Aug 2005 19:11:12 -0700, wordsof...@email.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Jews of the Fornication Culture
>>>
>>>
>>>The unborn are the Jews of the fornication culture. We live in a
>>>fornication culture
>>
>>
>> I thought you said we lived in a pornographic culture.
>
> I hereby dub it the "pornication" culture. And that, quite frankly, is
> the most awesome term ever applied to anything.
Isn't that a Red Hot Chili Peppers song?
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>Who wants the opinion of a pussy?
You, obviously, given that you can't restrain yourself from
responding.
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone> wrote
in message news:avg9f1prhbc4pfi0h...@4ax.com...
Nothing like having a homo on your ass......
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
Thank you for admitting that you are out of communion with the
Catholic Church -- again. This time for engaging in anal sex.
james g. keegan jr.
wrote in news:c4s9f11l3j2lo5spi...@4ax.com:
you're mistaken.
the roman catholic church has repeatedly endorsed the practice of anal sex.
James
> In episode <11f8mag...@corp.supernews.com>, James burst into the room
> and exclaimed:
>
>
>>satyr wrote:
>>
>>>On 5 Aug 2005 19:11:12 -0700, wordsof...@email.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Jews of the Fornication Culture
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The unborn are the Jews of the fornication culture. We live in a
>>>>fornication culture
>>>
>>>
>>>I thought you said we lived in a pornographic culture.
>>
>>I hereby dub it the "pornication" culture. And that, quite frankly, is
>>the most awesome term ever applied to anything.
>
>
> Isn't that a Red Hot Chili Peppers song?
You're thinking "Californication," I believe. However, a Google search
for "pornication" has burst my bubble.
Iain
I humped my future wife last night. I guess that wasn't fornication --
after all, a future wife is a type of wife, by your logic.
~Iain
rbw...@juno.com
Just because this person did not mention adulterers as a specific
group is no reason to get so upset. Fornication Culture would include
adulterers.
Robert B. Winn
rbw...@juno.com
adultery already in his heart.
Robert B. Winn
L Alpert
But only with boys under the age of 12.
james g. keegan jr.
2...@comcast.com:
had you written "primarily" rather than "only," we'd agree.
L Alpert
> "L Alpert" <alp...@xxgmail.com> wrote in news:qZudnROJR4S4j2jfRVn-
> 2...@comcast.com:
>
>> james g. keegan jr. wrote:
>>> "maf1029 (©2001-2008)"
>>> <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone> wrote in
>>> news:c4s9f11l3j2lo5spi...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:27:09 -0400, "bam"
>>>> <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing like having a homo on your ass......
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for admitting that you are out of communion with the
>>>> Catholic Church -- again. This time for engaging in anal sex.
>>>
>>>
>>> you're mistaken.
>>>
>>> the roman catholic church has repeatedly endorsed the practice of
>>> anal sex.
>>
>> But only with boys under the age of 12.
>
> had you written "primarily" rather than "only," we'd agree.
Sorry, it had slipped my mind.....I rephrase:
Primarily with boys under the age of 12........
Mark K. Bilbo
and exclaimed:
> Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>> In episode <11f8mag...@corp.supernews.com>, James burst into the
>> room and exclaimed:
>>
>>
>>>satyr wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 5 Aug 2005 19:11:12 -0700, wordsof...@email.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The Jews of the Fornication Culture
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The unborn are the Jews of the fornication culture. We live in a
>>>>>fornication culture
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I thought you said we lived in a pornographic culture.
>>>
>>>I hereby dub it the "pornication" culture. And that, quite frankly, is
>>>the most awesome term ever applied to anything.
>>
>>
>> Isn't that a Red Hot Chili Peppers song?
>
> You're thinking "Californication," I believe.
The tune definitely. <G>
> However, a Google search
> for "pornication" has burst my bubble.
There's nothing new under the sun...
james g. keegan jr.
u...@comcast.com:
that being the case, we agree completely.
Paul Duca
mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 8/6/05 12:28 AM:
That's not what you say when you're trying to get a piece of one
into bed....
Paul
Paul Duca
mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 8/6/05 12:27 PM:
Expect for being IN the ass of a female homo....
Dubh Ghall
How the fuck did you crawl out of my kill file?
Ah well, back in you go,
Plonk!
--
Puck Greenman
The spelling, Like any opinion stated here,
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Plonked by Rob Duncan
Na bister 500,000
Mark K. Bilbo
rbwinn3 burst into the room and exclaimed:
Oh look, a kook defending the kook...
Susan Cohen
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone> wrote
in message news:avg9f1prhbc4pfi0h...@4ax.com...
Oh, I figured that she was asking for attention!
Susan
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
wrote:
bamela must be behind in its payments to its dominatrix if it's not
getting enough attention.
Susan Cohen
"Paul Duca" <p.d...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BF1B0865.DBFF%p.d...@comcast.net...
Or, rather, not what bam says whwen she's trying to force her opinion on
everyone else. Such a lame little hypocrite.
Susan
>
>
> Paul
>
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone> wrote
Cohan doesn't interest me anymore. I thought I was dealing with a pro
abortion Jew, but when I found out she was a phony her importance plummeted.
I've got better things to do then try to follow the reasonings of an female
apostate.
BAM
bam
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6btJe.14691$Y2.368@trnddc09...
You took a dive Cohan - not interested.
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>
>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone> wrote
>in message news:9igcf1dqmavc1a5vo...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:55:59 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone>
>>>wrote
>>>in message news:avg9f1prhbc4pfi0h...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:28:50 -0400, "bam"
>>>> <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Who wants the opinion of a pussy?
>>>>
>>>> You, obviously, given that you can't restrain yourself from
>>>> responding.
>>>
>>>Oh, I figured that she was asking for attention!
>>
>> bamela must be behind in its payments to its dominatrix if it's not
>> getting enough attention.
>
>Cohan doesn't interest me anymore. I thought I was dealing with a pro
>abortion Jew, but when I found out she was a phony her importance plummeted.
>I've got better things to do then try to follow the reasonings of an female
>apostate.
Add sexist to your list of things to confess, Bryan.
But if you do not wish to be a Catholic in good standing, in
communion with your cult, then just cry "anathema."
Susan Cohen
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone> wrote
> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:04:24 -0400, "bam"
> <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone>
>>wrote
>>in message news:9igcf1dqmavc1a5vo...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 16:55:59 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone>
>>>>wrote
>>>>in message news:avg9f1prhbc4pfi0h...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:28:50 -0400, "bam"
>>>>> <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Who wants the opinion of a pussy?
>>>>>
>>>>> You, obviously, given that you can't restrain yourself from
>>>>> responding.
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I figured that she was asking for attention!
>>>
>>> bamela must be behind in its payments to its dominatrix if it's not
>>> getting enough attention.
>>
>>Cohan doesn't interest me anymore.
This is at least the 3rd incarnationthe moron has tried otogive my name.
How mature.
I thought I was dealing with a pro
>>abortion Jew,
There's 2 lies: "pro-abortion" and "thought".
but when I found out she was a phony her importance plummeted.
IOW, when she found out that she was falling flat on her face every time she
tried to go up against me, she pretended that I was a phony & is now
claiming not to be interested, but is still throwing out just as many lies
as when she *was* "interested".
>>I've got better things to do then try to follow the reasonings of an
>>female
>>apostate.
And the lies just keep on coming.
>
> Add sexist to your list of things to confess, Bryan.
You do know there is as much proof that bam is a female - from her own
mouth?
> But if you do not wish to be a Catholic in good standing, in
> communion with your cult, then just cry "anathema."
But a bigot's best tool is hypocrisy!!
Susan
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
wrote:
Oh, yeah. Dear bamela tried to pass itself off as some sort of
musician, a guitarist, I believe. Asked me all sorts of stupid-ass
questions, and then tried to make fun of the fact that I specialize in
classical, and not jazz. Of course, I trounced it by mentioning some
well-known guitar literature, and bamela was CLUE-less.
And then I mentioned some chamber music, where the guitarist would
have to collaborate with another musician or two, and again -- bamela
was CLUE-less. That leads me to believe that the little snotbag can't
get along with anyone IRL, either.
>>>I've got better things to do then try to follow the reasonings of an
>>>female
>>>apostate.
>
>And the lies just keep on coming.
>>
>> Add sexist to your list of things to confess, Bryan.
>
>You do know there is as much proof that bam is a female - from her own
>mouth?
I know, and up to recently, I thought that bam was an old buddy of
mine -- Paula, from arcr-c, a bitch-hag-trog who also presented itself
as arrogant and extra-nasty. But then I got some hints that bam was a
guy -- a male semi-amateur guitarist from FL, named Bryan.
So, who knows for sure? Either way, bamela is getting what it
deserves.
>> But if you do not wish to be a Catholic in good standing, in
>> communion with your cult, then just cry "anathema."
>
>But a bigot's best tool is hypocrisy!!
I always thought it was the tool they held with one hand while typing
to Usenet with the other.
>Susan
>
spar...@my-deja.com
> The unborn are the Jews of the fornication culture.
This is so wrong on so many levels. Not even Ratzinger, excuse me,
Pope Benedict would say something that crazy. I think you'd better
avoid the subject of Jews for the time being. You're starting to build
a track record of anti-Semitism.
> http://catholicanalysis.blogspot.com/2004/10/jews-of-fornication-culture.html
This link does not work. It appears that the owners of
catholicanalysis had second thoughts and have taken their screed down.
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
> Oh, yeah. Dear bamela tried to pass itself off as some sort of
> musician, a guitarist, I believe. Asked me all sorts of stupid-ass
> questions, and then tried to make fun of the fact that I specialize in
> classical, and not jazz. Of course, I trounced it by mentioning some
> well-known guitar literature, and bamela was CLUE-less.
> And then I mentioned some chamber music, where the guitarist would
> have to collaborate with another musician or two, and again -- bamela
> was CLUE-less. That leads me to believe that the little snotbag can't
> get along with anyone IRL, either.
You know nothing about classical guitar.
> I know, and up to recently, I thought that bam was an old buddy of
> mine -- Paula, from arcr-c, a bitch-hag-trog who also presented itself
> as arrogant and extra-nasty. But then I got some hints that bam was a
> guy -- a male semi-amateur guitarist from FL, named Bryan.
> So, who knows for sure? Either way, bamela is getting what it
> deserves.
Semi-amatuer?? HAHAHAHAH!
And piano is my primary instrument. (as in, say, Reflets dans l'eau ?)
BAM
Mickey
news:spOJe.205$3p...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
Now THAT I do believe.
Mickey - Primary instrument kept in my pants
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>
>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
>
>> Oh, yeah. Dear bamela tried to pass itself off as some sort of
>> musician, a guitarist, I believe. Asked me all sorts of stupid-ass
>> questions, and then tried to make fun of the fact that I specialize in
>> classical, and not jazz. Of course, I trounced it by mentioning some
>> well-known guitar literature, and bamela was CLUE-less.
>> And then I mentioned some chamber music, where the guitarist would
>> have to collaborate with another musician or two, and again -- bamela
>> was CLUE-less. That leads me to believe that the little snotbag can't
>> get along with anyone IRL, either.
>
>You know nothing about classical guitar.
Don't project.
BTW, how's those Ibert pieces coming along? They are standard
repertoire for guitar.
>> I know, and up to recently, I thought that bam was an old buddy of
>> mine -- Paula, from arcr-c, a bitch-hag-trog who also presented itself
>> as arrogant and extra-nasty. But then I got some hints that bam was a
>> guy -- a male semi-amateur guitarist from FL, named Bryan.
>> So, who knows for sure? Either way, bamela is getting what it
>> deserves.
>
>Semi-amatuer?? HAHAHAHAH!
Glad you're happy with your aspirations to mediocrity.
>And piano is my primary instrument.
Horowitz is vomiting in his grave.
> (as in, say, Reflets dans l'eau ?)
Oh, is this a quiz?
Gosh, I bet you're just all a-twitter, with IMAGES from the FIRST
VOLUME of me not knowing the first thing about Debussy. <eye roll>
Maybe if you were more pleasant to be around, you'd get to collaborate
on some chamber music. But sadly, you have nowhere else to turn but
solos. And don't get me wrong -- a good soloist is wonderful to hear,
but after a while, even you must get tired of being left to play with
yourself.
Oh, and enjoy that next Confession. Or not. Just cry "anathema" if
it's too much for you.
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
You shouldn't. Its prior claims have been as a guitarist.
>Mickey - Primary instrument kept in my pants
maf, who has lectured on Debussy (the composer of Reflets dans l'eau),
and whose primary instrument is also kept close at hand, just in case
spar...@my-deja.com
> "maf1029 (©2001-2008)" wrote:
> > I know, and up to recently, I thought that bam was an old buddy of
> > mine -- Paula, from arcr-c, a bitch-hag-trog who also presented itself
> > as arrogant and extra-nasty. But then I got some hints that bam was a
> > guy -- a male semi-amateur guitarist from FL, named Bryan.
> > So, who knows for sure? Either way, bamela is getting what it
> > deserves.
> Semi-amatuer?? HAHAHAHAH!
Goddammit, you BOTH spelled "hauteur" wrong!!!
> And piano is my primary instrument. (as in, say, Reflets dans l'eau ?)
Poor Debussy was depressed enough during his earthly life. I'd bet
your performance would have pushed him over the edge.
Mickey
I'm a keyboard man myself. Was trained from the age of 4.
Mickey
Susan Cohen
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:47:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone>
>>wrote
>>
>>
>>You do know there is as much proof that bam is a female - from her own
>>mouth?
>
> I know, and up to recently, I thought that bam was an old buddy of
> mine -- Paula, from arcr-c, a bitch-hag-trog who also presented itself
> as arrogant and extra-nasty. But then I got some hints that bam was a
> guy -- a male semi-amateur guitarist from FL, named Bryan.
That is bam's latest insistence - that s/he's male.
> So, who knows for sure? Either way, bamela is getting what it
> deserves.
Well, as much as can be dealt over Usenet.
>
>>> But if you do not wish to be a Catholic in good standing, in
>>> communion with your cult, then just cry "anathema."
>>
>>But a bigot's best tool is hypocrisy!!
>
> I always thought it was the tool they held with one hand while typing
> to Usenet with the other.
I'm talking about something that actually works for them - after a fashion.
Susan
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
That's funny - did Bonnie Bitch die?
(you probably would also claim you lectured on Catholicism)
BAM
bam
"Mickey" <micke...@SPAMcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:T7-dnfR1ter...@comcast.com...
You've apparently had dozens of incarnations.
BAM
bam
<spar...@my-deja.com> wrote
>Poor Debussy was depressed enough during his earthly life. I'd bet
>your performance would have pushed him over the edge.
Maybe so. But Claude Debussy was a giant among giants - his music *was* the
20th century. Falling short of his approval is nothing to be ashamed of.
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
My Bonnie Bitch sockpuppet is on hiatus for the moment.
>(you probably would also claim you lectured on Catholicism)
I do lecture on Catholicism -- I save it all for you, you 'catholic'
you.
You may now add casting aspersion to your list for your next
Confession.
BTW, Bryan -- if your posts are so righteous and good, why don't you
print out a few and show them to your parish priest, as an example of
how you "defend the faith"? Take a few where you use the word "Jew" as
a pejorative. How about the ones where you refer to certain people as
homo, fag, and/or dyke?
Go ahead. I dare you, you 'catholic' you.
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>
><spar...@my-deja.com> wrote
>
>>Poor Debussy was depressed enough during his earthly life. I'd bet
>>your performance would have pushed him over the edge.
>Maybe so. But Claude Debussy was a giant among giants - his music *was* the
>20th century.
Except that there were 82 years in the 20th century after his death,
during which Stravinsky, Copland, Poulenc, Honegger, Nielsen,
Hindemith, Genzmer, Bernstein, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Jolivet,
Rorem, Ibert, Tower, Musgrave, Adams, Harbison, and Barber (to name
but a few) did just as much (and more) for the evolution and
continuation of western music.
What you neglect to mention, in your gushing hero worship, is that
Debussy and Ravel stood alone in their own category of
"impressionism." Debussy, in particular, had no students of great
import and had very little direct influence on succeeding composers.
In fact, there was an entire reaction of so-called "anti-Debussyism"
in French composition, wherein subsequent composers (cf Les Six,
Satie, Jolivet, Varese) deliberately reclaimed the standards of
tonality, discernable melody, and form which Debussy had abandoned.
In short, it was Debussy's shrewd decision to abandon that which had
come before him in French music which secured his place as a
"stand-alone" in the annals of music history, not necessarily how
great his music is.
But in this respect, Debussy did have great influence on the
succeeding generation of French composers, in that his music made them
react, albeit against it.
How's that for a dichotomy?
And as far as any criticism goes -- Debussy's output was uneven. His
best works are his orchestral, instrumental pieces (La mer, Premiere
Rhapsodie, Prelude a la apres-midi d'un faune). He had some success in
chamber music (Trio, Piano Trio, Cello Sonata) and song, and although
I happen to be of the opinion that his chamber music is underrated, he
is still best known for the orchestral music. After his one disastrous
attempt at opera (Pellias et Melisande), he avoided that genre
altogether.
"Giant among giants"? Only if you despise Shostakovich.
"his music *was* the 20th century"? Only if you went deaf in 1918.
> Falling short of his approval is nothing to be ashamed of.
Like his approval was hard to get, even when he was still alive.
Debussy was not getting rich from his composing, so he took on many
students to pay the bills. He was a very popular composition teacher
because he was, as they say, "easy to please." And not just in
composing classes, as the memoirs of some of his female students will
attest.
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
It's always best to nab those pianists early so they never remember
what it was like not to play.
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
wrote:
>
>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
>in message news:e41ff1ll2kujpmevg...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:47:29 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforeartthousaxophone>
>>>wrote
>>>
>>>> Add sexist to your list of things to confess, Bryan.
>>>
>>>You do know there is as much proof that bam is a female - from her own
>>>mouth?
>>
>> I know, and up to recently, I thought that bam was an old buddy of
>> mine -- Paula, from arcr-c, a bitch-hag-trog who also presented itself
>> as arrogant and extra-nasty. But then I got some hints that bam was a
>> guy -- a male semi-amateur guitarist from FL, named Bryan.
>
>That is bam's latest insistence - that s/he's male.
Ah, a case of gender dysphoria, perhaps?
>> So, who knows for sure? Either way, bamela is getting what it
>> deserves.
>
>Well, as much as can be dealt over Usenet.
I firmly believe that what goes around comes around.
It's no great stretch of imagination to surmise that bam has "issues"
about playing well with others.
The best example of that is from my "discussions" of music with it.
(Usually, I say something about the music, and bamela says something
rude, personal, and untrue about me, in a fit of projection).
bamela only discusses music for solo piano and guitar, no chamber
music, where players must collaborate. In fact, bamela has spoken
quite ill of playing chamber music and of the chamber music genre.
Gee, I wonder if that's because little bamela manages to piss off
everyone it has ever worked with, and now seeks refuge in playing with
itself?
>>>> But if you do not wish to be a Catholic in good standing, in
>>>> communion with your cult, then just cry "anathema."
>>>
>>>But a bigot's best tool is hypocrisy!!
>>
>> I always thought it was the tool they held with one hand while typing
>> to Usenet with the other.
>
>I'm talking about something that actually works for them - after a fashion.
Oh, dear. My bad. <wicked smirk>
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
I do not use the word Jew pejoratively. It just seems that way to the
politically correct who consider it an unspeakable word. (like the Jews and
Yahweh)
As far as fags go - yeah - they're slobs.
BAM
spar...@my-deja.com
> <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote
I don't think Debussy would have appreciated your gushing hero worship
either. To my ears, Debussy's music is some of the most beguiling and
thrilling ear-candy ever written. I'll give Debussy major props for
steering the anti-Wagner movement into completely new territory with
his Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun. But as Maf pointed out,
Debussy only lived until 1918, a time during which Stravinsky was just
hitting his stride, not to mention several other composers.
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
Oooohh, now you're lying, which is also a no-no in your cult.
>As far as fags go - yeah - they're slobs.
Oh, you 'catholic' you.
why do you even bother claiming to be Catholic, when you
willfully and wantonly defy your cult's rules in practically every
post you make?
Enjoy Hell!
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
Nice try, Lucifer.
BAM
bam
<spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1123597612.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> bam wrote:
>> <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote
>
>> >Poor Debussy was depressed enough during his earthly life. I'd
>> >bet your performance would have pushed him over the edge.
>
>> Maybe so. But Claude Debussy was a giant among giants - his music
>> *was* the 20th century. Falling short of his approval is nothing
>> to be ashamed of.
>
> I don't think Debussy would have appreciated your gushing hero worship
> either.
Who are you to make such a statement, pipsqueak?
To my ears, Debussy's music is some of the most beguiling and
> thrilling ear-candy ever written. I'll give Debussy major props for
> steering the anti-Wagner movement into completely new territory with
> his Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun. But as Maf pointed out,
> Debussy only lived until 1918, a time during which Stravinsky was just
> hitting his stride, not to mention several other composers.
Degustibus non est disputandum.
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>
><spar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:1123597612.8...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> bam wrote:
>>> <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote
>>
>>> >Poor Debussy was depressed enough during his earthly life. I'd
>>> >bet your performance would have pushed him over the edge.
>>
>>> Maybe so. But Claude Debussy was a giant among giants - his music
>>> *was* the 20th century. Falling short of his approval is nothing
>>> to be ashamed of.
>>
>> I don't think Debussy would have appreciated your gushing hero worship
>> either.
>
>Who are you to make such a statement, pipsqueak?
We are your intellectual, moral, and musical superiors, you 'catholic'
you.
>>To my ears, Debussy's music is some of the most beguiling and
>> thrilling ear-candy ever written. I'll give Debussy major props for
>> steering the anti-Wagner movement into completely new territory with
>> his Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun. But as Maf pointed out,
>> Debussy only lived until 1918, a time during which Stravinsky was just
>> hitting his stride, not to mention several other composers.
>
>Degustibus non est disputandum.
Thank you for admitting that your aesthetics are of dubious quality.
Oh, and passive voice in Latin -- good job avoiding it.
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
>
>"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
>in message news:h7fhf11i84eba0hlk...@4ax.com...
>>>As far as fags go - yeah - they're slobs.
>>
>> Oh, you 'catholic' you.
>> why do you even bother claiming to be Catholic, when you
>> willfully and wantonly defy your cult's rules in practically every
>> post you make?
>>
>> Enjoy Hell!
>
>Nice try, Lucifer.
Once again, in an effort to educate you about your own cult:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual
tendencies is not negligible.... They must be accepted with respect,
compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in
their regard should be avoided.
Must suck that an atheist knows more about your cult's rules than you
do.
Now quit whining and RUN to the nearest Catholic church for
Confession. And make it a long one, Bryan.
Or if you'd prefer to continue being out of communion with your
church, just cry "anathema."
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
Go back to your organ Tom Pinch.
BAM
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
Every cultural scrap of knowledge that you possess came out of the Catholic
Church. Without the Church you'd be a small blob of jelly.
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
Considering that I charge your cult $100 per service MINIMUM because
they can't get their own to do it, I'll gladly do what you're too lazy
to do yourself -- and laugh at you all the way to the bank.
Oh, and Happy Confession, you 'catholic you.
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
Don't project.
spar...@my-deja.com
> <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote...
> > bam wrote:
> >> <spar...@my-deja.com> wrote
> >> >Poor Debussy was depressed enough during his earthly life. I'd
> >> >bet your performance would have pushed him over the edge.
> >> Maybe so. But Claude Debussy was a giant among giants - his music
> >> *was* the 20th century. Falling short of his approval is nothing
> >> to be ashamed of.
> > I don't think Debussy would have appreciated your gushing hero
> > worship either.
> Who are you to make such a statement, pipsqueak?
Just a guy who'd rather listen to Debussy than worship him; a guy who's
watching your pretenses unravel.
> > To my ears, Debussy's music is some of the most beguiling and
> > thrilling ear-candy ever written. I'll give Debussy major props
> > for steering the anti-Wagner movement into completely new territory
> > with his Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun. But as Maf pointed
> > out, Debussy only lived until 1918, a time during which Stravinsky
> > was just hitting his stride, not to mention several other composers.
> Degustibus non est disputandum.
In your case, it's more like "De fustibus non est disputandum".
Mickey
Nope, just one, but it's been a good one so far. Sadly, some people, like
yourself for example, limit themselves (or are limited by there poor
genetics), while others aspire to do more than one thing well. I can train a
chimp to do one thing well, it takes a human with will to excel at many
things. Sadly, you do not make the grade.
Mickey
For me, playing is cathartic. When day to day stresses start to pile on, I
head for the music room, fire up the K-9000 and make some sound.
Mickey
Mickey
Add lying to the list at confession.
bam
"Mickey" <micke...@SPAMcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
zzzzzzzz........zzzzzzzzzzzz..........oh....wah.......oh........sorry............you
were saying?
BAM
bam
"Mickey" <micke...@SPAMcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
Do you think that if I had a bumper sticker that merely said "Jew", people
would call me an anti semite?
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
Add stupidity to your list at confession, Bryan.
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
That ain't a sin Bonnie. But I wouldn't expect you to knwo that.
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
Add ignorance to your list for Confession, Bryan.
But I wouldn't expect you to 'knwo' {sic} that.
BTW, I notice you keep dodging that fact that your verbal abuse of
gays and lesbians IS a SIN in your cult. Avoidance will not help you
resolve your issues.
Repent now, hell-bound sinner.
bam
"maf1029 (©2001-2008)" <saxo...@saxophone.whereforartthousaxophone> wrote
I think you're role playing at this point - a queer attribute.
BAM
maf1029 (©2001-2008)
<mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote:
Another sin for Bryan, who is so out of communion with his beloved
cult.
Repent now, hell-bound sinner!
rbw...@juno.com
Thank you for your response. This seems to be one of the more
original ideas ever presented by a pro-abortion advocate. I wonder if
it was ever presented before.
Robert B. winn
Mark K. Bilbo
burst into the room and exclaimed:
I see you're making even less sense as the years go by...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
--------------------------------------------------
"Come to think of it, there are already a million
monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet
is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" -- Blair Houghton
Susan Cohen
<rbw...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1123963006....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Why do you fascists always lie about people being "pro-abortion"?
Susan
> Robert B. winn
>
Mark K. Bilbo
and exclaimed:
>
In Winn's dementia, "pro-abortion Europeans" are just *everywhere!
(I bet he checks under his bed at night)
Paul Duca
mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net wrote on 8/12/05 4:38 PM:
Well, I under that TRUE Catholics despised the Jews for killing our
Lord...
Paul
Mickey
Nothing YOU'D understand. You don't really think I reply for YOUR benefit,
do you? I never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes my time and annoys the
pig.
Now, you may oink away
Mickey
Oink oink?
Mickey
news:BF24A9D7.ED75%p.d...@comcast.net...
What scares him/her/it is the knowledge that I still have the hammer.
Mickey
bam
"Mickey" <micke...@SPAMcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
Some vocabulary..........
BAM
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton
"bam" <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:bWTLe.18524$rp.1...@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
:
: "Mickey" <micke...@SPAMcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message
:
:
bam
"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote
> Its the kind of words you best understand.
Great grammar. The nuns would have used you as a pinata.
BAM
DanielSan
> "øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote
>
>
>>Its the kind of words you best understand.
>
>
> Great grammar. The nuns would have used you as a pinata.
Riain is not a Catholic. Riain is a Jew.
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*--------------------------------------------------*
* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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bam
"DanielSan" <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:ax3Me.5619$1b5.4659@trnddc05...
bam wrote:
> "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote
>
>
>>Its the kind of words you best understand.
>
>
> Great grammar. The nuns would have used you as a pinata.
Riain is not a Catholic. Riain is a Jew.
So he says........
BAM
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton
"bam" <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:%u7Me.15347$XM3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
:
: "DanielSan" <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
:
:
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton
"bam" <mcca...@bellsouthblahblah.net> wrote in message
news:Ov%Le.11760$Rm3....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
:
: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
bam
"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:WkcMe.16490$XM3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Prove that I am not, you southern redneck eejit.
You talkin' to me?
BAM
Susan Cohen
"ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote in message
news:WkcMe.16490$XM3....@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Prove that I am not, you southern redneck eejit.
Why should bam start proving anything NOW??
Susan
Susan Cohen
"DanielSan" <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:ax3Me.5619$1b5.4659@trnddc05...
bam wrote:
>
>
>>Its the kind of words you best understand.
>
>
> Great grammar. The nuns would have used you as a pinata.
Riain is not a Catholic. Riain is a Jew.
You're talking to a lying bigot who only has typos as weapons in spreading
her hate.
Susan
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:N%eMe.4438$%K4.2885@trnddc09...
:
: "ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton" <ri...@zion.org.il> wrote in message
: > :
: >
: >
:
:
bam
"Susan Cohen" <fla...@verizon.net> wrote
> You're talking to a lying bigot who only has typos as weapons in spreading
> her hate.
Try making some sense. Your supercilious mask is dangling.
BAM
Susan Cohen
> True, one should not ask for the impossible.
Or at least acknowledge that one is doing so.
Susan
John Dowling
> What a load of rubbish!
>
> The unborn are not HUMANS, and it seems neither are you!
>
>
The pro-abortion mantra rears its ugly head. Pure opinion ...
John Dowling
john.d...@verizon.net
DanielSan
> øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton wrote:
>
>> What a load of rubbish!
>>
>> The unborn are not HUMANS, and it seems neither are you!
>>
>>
>
> The pro-abortion mantra rears its ugly head. Pure opinion ...
Nah. It's not the pro-abortion mantra. It is the pro-law mantra. I
find it hilarious, however, that Republicans say they're all for law and
order...except when the laws go against their agenda.
John Dowling
wrote:
>John Dowling wrote:
>> ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton wrote:
>>
>>> What a load of rubbish!
>>>
>>> The unborn are not HUMANS, and it seems neither are you!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The pro-abortion mantra rears its ugly head. Pure opinion ...
>
>Nah. It's not the pro-abortion mantra. It is the pro-law mantra. I
>find it hilarious, however, that Republicans say they're all for law and
>order...except when the laws go against their agenda.
First, I'm not Republican, but Libertarian. Secondly, using the "law"
to prove a point doesn't (or shouldn't) necessarily prove the reality
of anything.
John Dowling
john.d...@verizon.net
DanielSan
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 03:54:24 GMT, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>John Dowling wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What a load of rubbish!
>>>>
>>>>The unborn are not HUMANS, and it seems neither are you!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>The pro-abortion mantra rears its ugly head. Pure opinion ...
>>
>>Nah. It's not the pro-abortion mantra. It is the pro-law mantra. I
>>find it hilarious, however, that Republicans say they're all for law and
>>order...except when the laws go against their agenda.
>
>
> First, I'm not Republican, but Libertarian.
Nor am I Democratic, but Libertaian.
> Secondly, using the "law"
> to prove a point doesn't (or shouldn't) necessarily prove the reality
> of anything.
But it does prove what you can be punished for doing.
Iness
Crimestoppers.
ריעין ברתון/Riain Barton
having such an ignorant, racist, bigoted cunt for a son.
"Iness" <efe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: Any nigger female who has an abortion should get an award from
: Crimestoppers.
: