IRS caught LYING

[Jason]

<http://freebeacon.com/issues/irs-lost-lerner-emails-due-to-computer-crash-agency-says/>


Fox News reported today that the IRS is refusing to give to Congress the
emails of Lerner. However, Congressional investigators kept demanding
those many emails.

The crisis management team at the IRS came up with an excellent solution
to the problem.

The IRS officials are now saying that most all of those Lerner emails were
lost or deleted due to a computer crash.

The IRS requires tax payers to save their tax records for 5 or more years.
What would happen if tax payers started saying that those tax records were
all lost or deleted due to a computer crash?

Beam me up Scotty, this world is a very crazy type of world.

[%]

shut your face and pay your obamatax

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-13061...@67-150-123-29.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> <http://freebeacon.com/issues/irs-lost-lerner-emails-due-to-computer-crash-age
> ncy-says/>
>
>
> Fox News reported today

No need to read anything after that.

--

JD

�Labor is prior to and independent of capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital,
and deserves much the higher consideration.�
--Abraham Lincoln

[Mike Painter]

If you ever learn the difference between a lie and a refusal to
divulge information it will be less crazy.

[Jason]

In article <q27pp956k59p7rpuh...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

In this case, the crisis management team at IRS has decided to refuse to
divulge information. In order to keep the congressional investigators from
continuing to demand information, they came up with the lie that a
computer crash caused many of those emails to be deleted.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-14061...@67-150-122-177.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

How do you know there wasn't a computer crash?


All I will say is that incompetence is rampant in computer systems at
every level of government. Entirely because the competitive bidding
process cannot select the best IT company, but only the richest.

[Mike Painter]

And you, of course, can provide documentation that this did not
happen?
Your statement was made as a fact and if you can't provide evidence
that what they said was not true you also, by your own standard, are
lying.

[Davej]

On Friday, June 13, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
> [...]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/14/irs-loses-subpoenaed-lerner-e-mails-in-computer-crash/?hpt=hp_t2

It is indeed a very lame excuse to claim that multiple years of emails were lost due to a computer crash.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-F84727...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

I have a back-up system if my hard drives stops working. Are you saying
that the computer techs in the IRS headquarters don't have a back-up
system in case a hard drive stops working?

The IRS don't want to give those emails of Learner to the Congress.
investigators so they came up with a stupid plan to keep from giving those
Learner emails to the Congress. investigators so they told the lied that
Learner's hard drive crashed.

The congress. investigators should demand Learner's hard drive so their
computer techs can find those emails on that crashed hard drive.

Computer techs that are well trained can retrive data from a crashed hard
drive. If you know anything about computers, you know that I am correct.

I used to subscribe to a mac related magazine and they always had
advertisements in the back from two or three companies that specialized in
taking hard drives that did not work and recovering the data on those hard
drives. They would charge people for doing the work.

I have taken apart old hard drives and their is a small disk inside of
hard drives. If that disk is carefully removed and placed in a working
hard drive, it will work. I have never tried to do it.

[Jason]

In article <6r3qp99dc9rpnod61...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

I can make an educated guess--the IRS headquarters has a group of computer
techs. If they don't have proper back up systems for every computer, they
should all be fired. Leaner was the director and we all know that the
computer techs had a back up system for her computer. Anyone that has
worked in a large office knows that I am correct related to computer techs
having proper back up systems.

[Jason]

In article <571bbaa3-d66b-4084...@googlegroups.com>, Davej

It's what is referred to as a crisis management lie.

[Mike Painter]

Then you should be honest enough to state that from the start rather
than use it as a lame excuse when challenged for something you stated
as a fact.

If we were to apply your standard for what a lie is to you, you would
be the biggest liar here.

[Mike Painter]

No, it's called quote mining.
A single hard drive crashed, not the system and it can be hard to
recover information for many reasons.

Jason also failed to mention that "...the IRS has or will produce
24,000 Lerner e-mails from this 2009-2011 time period, largely from
the files of the other 82 individuals. The IRS's production to
Congress of the 67,000 Lerner e-mails is nearly complete."

If somebody Jason didn't like said "the American flag is red, white,
and blue", Jason would call him a commie and say he said "The American
flag is red."
And he might even believe it.

[Jason]

In article <sjiqp9ljhgo4mif6f...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

Do you know what these words mean:

Data Recovery Service

<http://www.datarecoveryleaders.com/arizona/data-recovery-in-tucson-az/>

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <n1jqp95uth2no67di...@4ax.com>,

Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 22:04:38 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >In article <571bbaa3-d66b-4084...@googlegroups.com>, Davej
> ><gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, June 13, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >>
> >>
> >http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/14/irs-loses-subpoenaed-lerner-e
> >-mails-in-computer-crash/?hpt=hp_t2
> >>
> >> It is indeed a very lame excuse to claim that multiple years of emails
> >were lost due to a computer crash.
> >
> >It's what is referred to as a crisis management lie.
> >
> No, it's called quote mining.
> A single hard drive crashed, not the system and it can be hard to
> recover information for many reasons.
>
> Jason also failed to mention that "...the IRS has or will produce
> 24,000 Lerner e-mails from this 2009-2011 time period, largely from
> the files of the other 82 individuals. The IRS's production to
> Congress of the 67,000 Lerner e-mails is nearly complete."

Why didn't you provide this vitally important information, Jason?

> If somebody Jason didn't like said "the American flag is red, white,
> and blue", Jason would call him a commie and say he said "The American
> flag is red."
> And he might even believe it.

[Jason]

In article <n1jqp95uth2no67di...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

They provided some emails but not ALL of the requested emails. There is a
guess that they did not want to give them the most critical emails. They
may have had some "smoking gun" emails and needed a plan to keep those
emails from being seen by congressional investigators. That's the reason
they claimed her computer crashed. They were lying:

It's possible to recover data from a crashed hard drive. This is one of
many companies that is able to do it. It's called a DATA RECOVERY SERVICE:

<http://www.datarecoveryleaders.com/arizona/data-recovery-in-tucson-az/>

[joebr...@gmail.com]

Jason the moron wrote:
> <http://freebeacon.com/issues/irs-lost-lerner-emails-due-to-computer-crash-agency-says/>
>
>
>
>
>
> Fox News

No need to read any further.
Use serious sources if you want to be taken seriously, Jason 'Zachy' the moron.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-6D792F...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

I did not know the exact numbers but they stated on Fox News today that
ALL of the requested emails were not submitted. They held back some of the
emails and blammed it on a computer crash.

[joebr...@gmail.com]

Here you are, bearing false witness again showing what a bad Christian you are, AGAIN!
How can you look at yourself in the mirror, Jason 'Zachy' the moron?
You are quite a revolting human being, Jason 'Zachy' the moron. Could you do something useful, just once, and disappear?

[Jason]

In article <4f309130-c9e3-4a44...@googlegroups.com>,

LOL--ROTF are you obsessed with someone named Zachy? Is Zachy the name of
your pussy cat? Beam me up quick Scotty.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-15061...@67-150-122-216.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

I guarantee you that we know FAR more about data recovery services than
you do.

[Veritas]

We?

[Bishop Don Kool - An American Tradition!]

Perhaps she is referring to a bi-polar disorder?

--
Try God!
Don

The Republic can survive a fool for a president. It is less likely to
survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president

[Planet Visitor II]

Of course.. in her God-complex that just the Imperial WE.


Planet Visitor II

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-EA15C0...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

That is wonderful but the question is why don't the computer techs
employed at the IRS headquarters know anything about data recovery?

It's more likely that is was a well planned LIE to serve as a
justification of not providing smoking gun emails.

[Jason]

In article <lnknld$jrs$2...@dont-email.me>, "Bishop Don Kool - An American

Or multiple personality disorder.

[Tom McDonald]

But it's ever so hard for a dog to eat a hard drive.

[Jason]

It appears that the IRS crisis management team does not know that most
everyone knows about DATA RECOVERY SERVICES. You can find DATA RECOVERY
SERVICES in many cities in America.

That's why we know that it's a well planned lie to keep the IRS from
having to provide smoking gun emails to the congressional investigators.

[John Ritson]

In article <Jason-15061...@67-150-123-4.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Jason <Ja...@nospam.com> writes

I'm sure that you can find Data Recovery Services in many cities.
Can you find a single one that guarantees to recover all your data?
--
John Ritson

[Dakota]

It does seem strange that Lerner's emails were saved only on her
computer. Email is usually saved on a server and servers are backed up
regularly.

[Jason]

In article <DUX$QrN7Ki...@hotmail.co.uk>, John Ritson

NO--and the typical reason is when the hard drives are damaged in fires or
someone has taken the hard drives apart and damaged the special disk that
is inside of the hard drives. I have taken apart several broken hard
drives to remove the magnets. I have seen the disks in those hard drives
but I have never tried to remove them without damaging them. It's my
understanding that one way to save the data on a damaged or unworking hard
drive is to remove those disks and place them in an undamaged and working
hard drive. It would take special skills to remove those disks without
damaging them.

[Jason]

They would also be saved on the hard drives of the people that received
those emails. It would be difficult to retrive them from a server since
the server may have millions of emails loaded on it and it would be
difficult to find certain emails. It would be like looking for some pins
dropped in a stack of hay.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <lnlbc1$q8m$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:

I can see some idiot trying to retrieve them from the server and somehow
making them disappear. After all, we've all had idiots in our lives
who've managed to erase their own hard drives by mistake.

Listen, I don't know what happened here, but to make accusations before
the facts are all in is committing libel.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-15061...@67-150-121-21.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Of course, I was referring to all the intelligent people in this
discussion. But since that excludes the two of you, I understand why you
didn't understand what I was saying.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-15061...@67-150-121-21.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Why are you claiming they don't?

> It's more likely that is was a well planned LIE to serve as a
> justification of not providing smoking gun emails.

That's insane. And incredibly stupid.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-15061...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Why? Why would it be hard to find a particular email on a server?

[Don Kresch]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:21:52 -0500, Tom McDonald <kil...@gmail.com>
wrote:

And there's no reason the drive couldn't be sent to
Kroll/Ontrack. Nor any reason that the IRS isn't using Exchange. Nor
has a good backup.


Don
aa#51, Knight of BAAWA, Jedi Slackmaster
Praise "Bob" or burn in Slacklessness trying not to.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-3FCF33...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <Jason-15061...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <lnlbc1$q8m$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/15/2014 5:21 PM, Tom McDonald wrote:
> > > > On 6/14/2014 10:48 PM, Davej wrote:
> > > >> On Friday, June 13, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
> > > >>> [...]
> > > >>
> > > >>
> >
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/14/irs-loses-subpoenaed-lerner-e-
> > mails-in-computer-crash/?hpt=hp_t2
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> It is indeed a very lame excuse to claim that multiple years of
> > > >> emails were lost due to a computer crash.
> > > >>
> > > > But it's ever so hard for a dog to eat a hard drive.
> > >
> > > It does seem strange that Lerner's emails were saved only on her
> > > computer. Email is usually saved on a server and servers are backed up
> > > regularly.
> >
> > They would also be saved on the hard drives of the people that received
> > those emails. It would be difficult to retrive them from a server since
> > the server may have millions of emails loaded on it and it would be
> > difficult to find certain emails. It would be like looking for some pins
> > dropped in a stack of hay.
>
> Why? Why would it be hard to find a particular email on a server?

If you had the exact date and time of the email, it would help.

[Jason]

In article <vsmsp9hm6tikc9rgn...@4ax.com>, Don Kresch

They probably did have an excellent back-up system.

It was a well designed LIE. It meant the IRS would NOT have to give to the
congressional investigators the smoking gun Learner emails.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-15061...@67-150-122-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

There's nothing that could have been in ANY email that would have caused
a bigger stink than the disappearance of all of these emails.

So stop calling them as stupid as you are.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-15061...@67-150-122-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

That's not an answer to my question.,

Why would it be hard to find a particular email on a server, as you
claimed?

[Mike Painter]

Yes. And I know what is involved and why it is not always possible to
make such a recovery.

I also read the link you posted and pointed out that you left a lot
out.
Why bother with the expense of recovering data that can be recovered
in the manner they are using?

Your guess has very little education behind it.

[Mike Painter]

In other words you didn't bother to read the link you posted.

[Mike Painter]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 01:28:07 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article <n1jqp95uth2no67di...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter
><md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 22:04:38 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <571bbaa3-d66b-4084...@googlegroups.com>, Davej
>> ><gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, June 13, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
>> >> > [...]
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/14/irs-loses-subpoenaed-lerner-e-mails-in-computer-crash/?hpt=hp_t2
>> >>
>> >> It is indeed a very lame excuse to claim that multiple years of emails
>> >were lost due to a computer crash.
>> >
>> >It's what is referred to as a crisis management lie.
>> >
>> No, it's called quote mining.
>> A single hard drive crashed, not the system and it can be hard to
>> recover information for many reasons.
>>
>> Jason also failed to mention that "...the IRS has or will produce
>> 24,000 Lerner e-mails from this 2009-2011 time period, largely from
>> the files of the other 82 individuals. The IRS's production to
>> Congress of the 67,000 Lerner e-mails is nearly complete."
>>

>> If somebody Jason didn't like said "the American flag is red, white,
>> and blue", Jason would call him a commie and say he said "The American
>> flag is red."
>> And he might even believe it.
>

>They provided some emails but not ALL of the requested emails. There is a
>guess that they did not want to give them the most critical emails. They
>may have had some "smoking gun" emails and needed a plan to keep those
>emails from being seen by congressional investigators. That's the reason
>they claimed her computer crashed. They were lying:
>

>It's possible to recover data from a crashed hard drive. This is one of
>many companies that is able to do it. It's called a DATA RECOVERY SERVICE:
>
><http://www.datarecoveryleaders.com/arizona/data-recovery-in-tucson-az/>
>

By your standards, you are also lying. The first hard drive I worked
with was on an IBM 1620 and I have a bit of knowledge about them and
the various recovery methods used.
Unless you can supply details about the type of "crash" involved you
are, according to your standards, lying.

But here is your chance to shine. Give us examples of what a hard
drive "crash" is and how data nay be recovered under those events.
Try to be honest and give us *your* knowledge, not something you look
up on the net.

[Mike Painter]

On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 02:01:57 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>
>> Here you are, bearing false witness again showing what a bad Christian
>you are, AGAIN!
>> How can you look at yourself in the mirror, Jason 'Zachy' the moron?
>> You are quite a revolting human being, Jason 'Zachy' the moron. Could
>you do something useful, just once, and disappear?
>
>LOL--ROTF are you obsessed with someone named Zachy? Is Zachy the name of
>your pussy cat? Beam me up quick Scotty.

Bruno is in error, you are certainly *not* Zachy.

That you don't know the name is a bit strange. It might be explained
by the fact that he claims to also be a True Christian and as we know
here no two True Christians will ever engage in a dialog that lasts
more than a few posts.
I have never seen any of you last more than a day or so before
declaring that the "other" one is not a True Christian and that he or
she is damned to hell.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-06722F...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Because it would involve looking thru millions of emails to find the ones
you were looking for.

[Jason]

In article <ti9up9l2oe4jnssnq...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

They have computer programs that can be used to recover lost data.

I have read that data recovery services have equipment that can cause a
crashed hard drive to start spinning normally.

I have read that data recovery services can take apart hard drives and
remove the disk. They could mount that disk in a working hard drive.

When I was much younger, I subscribed to MacWorld magazine and read the
articles and at least one or more of the articles was about data recovery
methods.

I have a program on my macintosh computer called Norton Utilities for the
Mac. I have used that program to recover some trashed files. It was time
consuming since it involved looking at hundreds of trashed items to find
the exact item that I wanted to retrive.

[Jason]

In article <o7aup91qen0ro3pu0...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

Thanks--I don't recall dealing with Zachy.

Christians rarely are in agreement which explains why we have so many
types (or denominations) of churches.

[Jason]

In article <t19up9dch1li9feqd...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

I have a good guess about what is going on in this case. Back in the old
days, students would tell teachers that dogs ate their homework. In the
past several years, students now tell teachers that their computer crashed
and that is the reason they did not have their homework assignment.

The IRS officials probably found some smoking gun Learner emails. They did
NOT want to give them to congressional investigators so claimed they were
missing due to a computer crash. Only a fool that knows nothing about data
recovery methods would believe the lie.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-4A8C42...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

They are not stupid since lots of liberals and liberal newspaper reporters
would believe the lie.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-4A8C42...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne
Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:

http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=06/14/2014&SO=&HC=6&ID=393171


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/13/veteran-it-professional-gives-six-reasons-why-the-irs-claim-that-it-lost-two-years-of-lois-lerners-emails-is-simply-not-feasible/

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-16061...@67-150-121-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

And you can't figure out how that means that you're all nuts and wrong.

As they say--it's impossible for more than one sect to be correct, but
it is definitely possible for them all to be wrong.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-16061...@67-150-121-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

<snippage of complete nonsense which doesn't answer the question you
were asked>

Try again and this time answer the question Mike actually asked you.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-16061...@67-150-121-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

And your guess is completely stupid.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-16061...@67-150-121-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

No data recovery needed. All they have to do is what they're actually
doing, which is retrieving the emails from the recipients.

Mike was perfectly correct when he stated that your guess has very
little education behind it. I would say none, but that's neither here
nor there.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-16061...@67-150-121-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Bzzzzzt!!!!!!! Wrong again.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-16061...@67-150-121-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Tell us exactly what in those 2 articles that you haven't read support
your assertions.

Oh, and The Blaze is another right-wing site who'll claim the sun is
blue if Obama says it's yellow.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-16061...@67-150-121-185.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

What lie?

[zayton]

Has anyone noticed that
every time Jason accuses someone of lying
it turns out he is the liar....?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <10f90e32-4cc0-46fe...@googlegroups.com>,

Yep.

Actually, he's just believing the lies of his puppet masters and
repeating them.

But after he's been giving the facts proving that his posts are lies and
still posts them over and over, that's when he's lying.

[Mike Painter]

You made a guess based on what you wanted to happen and were not
honest enough to say it at the start.

>The IRS officials probably found some smoking gun Learner emails. They did
>NOT want to give them to congressional investigators so claimed they were
>missing due to a computer crash. Only a fool that knows nothing about data
>recovery methods would believe the lie.
>

Only a fool who thinks he knows about data recovery would think that
all data is recoverable or that what is recovered is of any value.
Damage the file allocation system on your computer and see how well
you or any one can recover files.

[Mike Painter]

Saying that you are not Zachy is not a complement.

>
>Christians rarely are in agreement which explains why we have so many
>types (or denominations) of churches.

30,000 plus and counting.
Most claiming the One True Version.
Probably two orders of magnitude more who believe their church is
almost right.
Almost all making the same claim that Martin Luther did.

"I do not admit that my doctrine can be judged by anyone, even the
angels. He who does not receive my doctrine cannot be saved"
-- Martin Luther Werke (Erlangen),XXIX , 217-33, on Maritian, 15.

Only one can be right and they all can be wrong.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:00:54 -0700, Mike Painter

Most of us have decent backup.

[joebr...@gmail.com]

Jason the moron wrote:
> In article <4f309130-c9e3-4a44...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> joebr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jason the moron wrote:
>
> > > In article <n1jqp95uth2no67di...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter
>
> > >
>
> > > <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 22:04:38 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >In article <571bbaa3-d66b-4084...@googlegroups.com>, Davej

>
> > >
>
> > > > ><gal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> On Friday, June 13, 2014 9:30:34 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> > [...]
>
> > >
>
> > > > >>
>
> > >
>
> > > > >>
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> >http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/14/irs-loses-subpoenaed-lerner-e-mails-in-computer-crash/?hpt=hp_t2
>
> > >
>
> > > > >>
>
> > >
>
> > > > >> It is indeed a very lame excuse to claim that multiple years of emails
>
> > >
>

> > > > >were lost due to a computer crash.
>
> > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > >
>
> > > > >It's what is referred to as a crisis management lie.
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> > > > No, it's called quote mining.
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> > > > A single hard drive crashed, not the system and it can be hard to
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> > > > recover information for many reasons.
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> > > > Jason also failed to mention that "...the IRS has or will produce
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> > > > 24,000 Lerner e-mails from this 2009-2011 time period, largely from
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> > > > the files of the other 82 individuals. The IRS's production to
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> > > > Congress of the 67,000 Lerner e-mails is nearly complete."
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> > > > If somebody Jason didn't like said "the American flag is red, white,
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> > > > and blue", Jason would call him a commie and say he said "The American
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> > > > flag is red."
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> > > > And he might even believe it.
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> > > They provided some emails but not ALL of the requested emails. There is a
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> > >
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> > > guess that they did not want to give them the most critical emails. They
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> > > may have had some "smoking gun" emails and needed a plan to keep those
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> > >
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> > > emails from being seen by congressional investigators. That's the reason
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> > >
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> > > they claimed her computer crashed. They were lying:
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>

> > Here you are, bearing false witness again showing what a bad Christian
>
> you are, AGAIN!
>
> > How can you look at yourself in the mirror, Jason 'Zachy' the moron?
>
> > You are quite a revolting human being, Jason 'Zachy' the moron. Could
>
> you do something useful, just once, and disappear?
>
>
>
> LOL--ROTF are you obsessed with someone named Zachy? Is Zachy the name of
>
> your pussy cat? Beam me up quick Scotty.

You know very well who "Zachy" is, Jason the moron.
Why do you like it so much to pretend to be an asshole?
Are you jealous of J?

[joebr...@gmail.com]

I'm not sure I told you already but here it is: use serious sources if you want to be taken seriously, Jason the moron.

[Davej]

On Saturday, June 14, 2014 11:33:35 PM UTC-5, Jason wrote:
> [...]

Nobody cares. You're an idiot.

[Jason]

In article <htg3q9pfvned09vd4...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

I found out a couple of days that the IRS had their own server so the
emails could have been found on the IRS server even if Learner's hard
drive did crash.

[Jason]

In article <ncj3q9575ho5j2h8n...@4ax.com>, Christopher A.

The IRS had their own server so it was probably their backup system.

[Jason]

In article <43642872-cce4-41c2...@googlegroups.com>,

Are you tirepisser?

[Jason]

In article <5658a7f0-60b7-45e6...@googlegroups.com>,

Are you tirepisser?

[Mike Painter]

>> But here is your chance to shine. Give us examples of what a hard
>> drive "crash" is and how data nay be recovered under those events.
>> Try to be honest and give us *your* knowledge, not something you look
>> up on the net.
>
>They have computer programs that can be used to recover lost data.
>

Evasion noted.

>I have read that data recovery services have equipment that can cause a
>crashed hard drive to start spinning normally.
>
>I have read that data recovery services can take apart hard drives and
>remove the disk. They could mount that disk in a working hard drive.
>

All true but not all of them work all the time.

>
>When I was much younger, I subscribed to MacWorld magazine and read the
>articles and at least one or more of the articles was about data recovery
>methods.
>
>I have a program on my macintosh computer called Norton Utilities for the
>Mac. I have used that program to recover some trashed files. It was time
>consuming since it involved looking at hundreds of trashed items to find
>the exact item that I wanted to retrive.
>

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.

Imagine that you have a thousand emails all printed on separate pieces
of paper. Cut each line out of every piece of paper, then cut the
lines into random sizes.
Throw them all up in the air, then reconstruct those messages by
picking op one piece and matching it to another.
You may use one of your computer programs to do this.
Without human intervention it will not be possible to determine if a
reconstructed item is complete.
Even with a human there is no way to determine if the complete message
is the original or if it consists of parts from other emails.

The relevance is that information is stored on drives in a manner that
requires a file allocation table to find out how the parts fit
together.
Damage it and you have fragments of messages all over the computer

[Mike Painter]

On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:13:27 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>
>They are not stupid since lots of liberals and liberal newspaper reporters
>would believe the lie.
>

After admitting that you made a guess you again insist it is a lie.
I guess your version of Christianity allows you to do anything you
want after you have been saved.

Keep setting such a fine example.

[tirebiter]

Are you in the 3rd grade LIAR Jason?

I've NEVER used another nym.

Idiot.

---
a.a. #2273

[Mike Painter]

Yes and even when he starts the thread he is usually lying by the
standards he sets.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 18:23:39 -0700, Mike Painter
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
>>> But here is your chance to shine. Give us examples of what a hard
>>> drive "crash" is and how data nay be recovered under those events.
>>> Try to be honest and give us *your* knowledge, not something you look
>>> up on the net.
>>
>>They have computer programs that can be used to recover lost data.
>>
>Evasion noted.

It's called backup and restore. Decent business systems also log
transactions since the last backup so the system can be restored right
up to the point where it failed.

>>I have read that data recovery services have equipment that can cause a
>>crashed hard drive to start spinning normally.

It doesn't know what a head crash is. When the heads have graunched
across the surface, the drive may of may not spin up, and the surface
has been ruined.

Last year, I had my first ever PC head crash since I bought my first
PC in 1986 - almost 30 years. But because I had been an industry
professional in an environment where everything was designed for
recovery, I was paranoid about backup and didn't lose any data.

I replaced the hard drive and got everything back.

Even though my image on DVD disks wouldn't load, I couldn't use the
recovery partition because I had had a head crash and the backup
program wouldn't do an image restore because it was to a different
volume.


It cost me a replacement hard drive and the recovery DVD from the
manufacturer (which failed but they sent me another).

The longest and slowest part was re-installing all the updates and
applications.

>>I have read that data recovery services can take apart hard drives and
>>remove the disk. They could mount that disk in a working hard drive.

Not if a head crash has graunched the surface.

>All true but not all of them work all the time.
>
>>When I was much younger, I subscribed to MacWorld magazine and
>>read the articles and at least one or more of the articles was about
>>data recovery methods.
>>
>>I have a program on my macintosh computer called Norton Utilities for the
>>Mac. I have used that program to recover some trashed files. It was time
>>consuming since it involved looking at hundreds of trashed items to find
>>the exact item that I wanted to retrive.

It shouldn't have been.

>You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think.

Well, it _is_ Jason.

>Imagine that you have a thousand emails all printed on separate pieces
>of paper. Cut each line out of every piece of paper, then cut the
>lines into random sizes.
>Throw them all up in the air, then reconstruct those messages by
>picking op one piece and matching it to another.
>You may use one of your computer programs to do this.
>Without human intervention it will not be possible to determine if a
>reconstructed item is complete.
>Even with a human there is no way to determine if the complete message
>is the original or if it consists of parts from other emails.
>
>The relevance is that information is stored on drives in a manner that
>requires a file allocation table to find out how the parts fit
>together.
>Damage it and you have fragments of messages all over the computer

Which is why systems get backed up.

The un-lamented Oliver North shredded documents and email, but didn't
know that the PROFS system was crash-proof and the incriminating stuff
was on mag tape.

[Christopher A. Lee]

The religious right make up facts, and imagine their veracity is
determined by the number of people who believe them.

"Please proceed, Governor"

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <378306a2-6b39-43ef...@googlegroups.com>,

And he was responding to Artie Joe.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-18061...@67-150-120-199.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Artie Joe IS a tirepisser, isn't he?

[Jason]

In article <5ke4q9llo5bc1dtfj...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

IRS has their own server so those emails were all saved on that server.

[zayton]

Does every server save a copy of everything that passes through it?
Do internal communications pass through the server,
or only communications to or from outside terminals?
How do you know?If you don't know, why did you lie?

[joebr...@gmail.com]

No, why?

Are you Zachy?

[joebr...@gmail.com]

The real one, maybe. But not me.
I took this nym last summer to annoy Joe Bruno because he needed to be put back to his place. I didn't bother to change it now that the "real" one is gone.

[Mike Painter]

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:38:45 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:

>
>>>The IRS officials probably found some smoking gun Learner emails. They did
>>>NOT want to give them to congressional investigators so claimed they were
>>>missing due to a computer crash. Only a fool that knows nothing about data
>>>recovery methods would believe the lie.
>>>
>>Only a fool who thinks he knows about data recovery would think that
>>all data is recoverable or that what is recovered is of any value.
>>Damage the file allocation system on your computer and see how well
>>you or any one can recover files.
>
>Most of us have decent backup.

I'm not sure who "us" is but my experience over the years since CP/M
was king is that few do.
Of those that claim to have a backup the majority have backed up their
files to at best another partition on the drive.

However the argument is with data recovery, not what should have
happened before the incident.

The timeframe for this incident probably would have seen most backup
copies overwritten even under a rigid daily,weekly, monthly, yearly
schedule.

I tend to believe the story mainly because of what the Republicans
don't say.

The claim is that the emails on her computer were lost done to a crash
and destruction of the disk (something that the vast majority say
should be done even with a private computer.)
Why they were kept on her computer is a puzzle but since nobody has
brought that up it is probably true.

[Jason]

In article <78r8q999u64silvgf...@4ax.com>, Mike Painter

If you did not file federal taxes last year and later blammed it on the
fact that your hard drive crashed and you destoyed that hard drive and
that is the reason you did not file taxes or pay your taxes, do you
believe the IRS would allow you to get away with that lie?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-20061...@67-150-127-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

What does somebody's computer have to do with filing their taxes?

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-113DF3...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Believe it or not, lots of younger people store records on their computers.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-21061...@67-150-127-157.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

What does somebody's computer have to do with filing their taxes? I do
my taxes on my computer and the records aren't on my computer.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-3CD50A...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Great--your taxes are stored on your computer.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-21061...@67-150-124-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

I just said they weren't stored on my comuter, in very plain English, so
why are you trying to claim I said they were?

Why can't you read and understand a very simple sentence?

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-883861...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Sorry--I mis-read what you stated--I thought that you said that you filed
your taxes on your computer so I incorrectly guessed that those tax
records were still on your computer--sorry.

I was not discussing your methods of storing tax information. I was
discussing the various people (esp. younger people) that do store their
tax information and financial records on their computers. I don't store
any financial information or tax information on my computer since I don't
have a firewall and I know how easy it is for hackers to get past
firewalls. If the hackers were able to hack into my computer, they would
find NO financial records, bank records or tax records.

You missed the point. The IRS is now claiming that about 6 different
computers crashed during the same time period. It's a well concocted lie
to keep from surrending those emails to congressional investigators. The
republicans in Congress believe those emails were to and from high ranking
officials in the White House.

[Jeanne Douglas]

And every one of those emails can be found on the computers of the
people they were sent to or sent from.


So if this was deliberate, it was even stupider than you.

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-C2E76B...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

The best guess is that none of the hard drives crashed. They probably just
took the hard drives out of the computers and replaced them with new hard
drives. The hard drives may have been destroyed. The director was
interviewed in front of a congressional committee and he clearly said that
even he did not know the location of the crashed hard drives.

[Jeanne Douglas]

Why did you completely ignore what I said?

[Jason]

In article <hlwdjsd2-9A92F9...@news.giganews.com>, Jeanne

Yes, the emails can be found on the computers of the people they were sent
to or sent from. That's correct but it's impossible to know that
information.

For example, let's say that I sent an email to you Dec. 3, 2013. Let's say
my computer crashed in March 3, 2013.

Let's say the FBI needed to retrive all of my emails. How would they know
that they needed to visit you and examine your computer?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<Jason-22061...@67-150-121-235.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

They don't have to.

Yet another subject you know nothing about.

[Tom McDonald]

Try reading what she wrote, Jason.

[Tom McDonald]

I don't think he understands e-filing at all.

[Jason]

H&R Block does it for me.

[Tom McDonald]

Exactly. So you fucked up out of ignorance.

Why am I not surprised.

[Jason]

Jeanne missed my point. I was not discussing her computer or what she has
on her computer. I copied and pasted this sentence that I wrote that is
still above:

"Believe it or not, lots of younger people store records on their computers."

I believe that statement is correct.