It's legal to publically worship Zeus again.
Ben Kaufman
Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship at
archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
...
http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-03-25
bg1...@apexmail.com
Which just goes to show that numbers, not facts, determine what
is called "cult" and what is called a "religion".
Popularity, not propriety, it what prevails.
Bob Dog
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kathryn
<bg1...@apexmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143378695.4...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Ben Kaufman wrote:
>> ....
>> Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship
>> at
>> archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
>> Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
>> ...
>>
>> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-03-25
>
> Which just goes to show that numbers, not facts, determine what
> is called "cult" and what is called a "religion".
>
> Popularity, not propriety, it what prevails.
>
>
> Bob Dog
>
>
perhaps they were just scared of the competition
Zeus liked to interact a lot more with his worshippers
bg1...@apexmail.com
> <bg1...@apexmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143378695.4...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> > Ben Kaufman wrote:
> >> ....
> >> Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship
> >> at
> >> archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
> >> Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
> >> ...
> >>
> >> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-03-25
> >
> > Which just goes to show that numbers, not facts, determine what
> > is called "cult" and what is called a "religion".
> >
> > Popularity, not propriety, it what prevails.
>
>
> Zeus liked to interact a lot more with his worshippers
Impregnating females against their will. Using floods to destroy
entire cities. Having his son killed in writhing agony.
They're a lot alike, aren't they?
"Who are these gods with their holier-than-thou attitudes?"
- Roman orgy-goer, "Asterix and Obelix"
johac
Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old myths
rather than their newer myths?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
Chris Johnson
johac wrote:
> In article <vp3d22dp9rdnjd1bj...@4ax.com>,
> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > ....
> > Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship at
> > archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
> > Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
> > ...
> >
> > http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-03-2
> > 5
>
> So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old myths
> rather than their newer myths?
I'd actually be curious to see a widespread revival of Olympian
polytheism. How would it compare in terms of tolerance and violence
with our monotheistic friends?
Ben Kaufman
>In article <vp3d22dp9rdnjd1bj...@4ax.com>,
> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> ....
>> Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship at
>> archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
>> Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
>> ...
>>
>> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-03-2
>> 5
>
>So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old myths
>rather than their newer myths?
It's such delicious irony.
Ben
Ben Kaufman
Just as long as they don't come trolling here!
Ben
stoney
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
So much for 'Culture' in Greece.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
stoney
>In article <vp3d22dp9rdnjd1bj...@4ax.com>,
> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> ....
>> Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship at
>> archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
>> Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
>> ...
>>
>> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-03-2
>> 5
>
>So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old myths
>rather than their newer myths?
Yes, they're worried about the drop in prophet$$$$$$$.
Michael Gray
- Refer: <jhachmann-11E14...@news.giganews.com>
>In article <vp3d22dp9rdnjd1bj...@4ax.com>,
> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> ....
>> Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship at
>> archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
>> Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
>> ...
>>
>> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-03-2
>> 5
>
>So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old myths
>rather than their newer myths?
What newer myths?
They are just these old ones transparently recycled.
--
johac
Michael Gray <fle...@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
Well that is true. The just change the names and add a few bits to the
story and take out a few of the old and Presto! Chango! Osiris becomes
Jesus and Zeus rips off his cloak and is revealed as Yaweh.
johac
stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:31:15 -0800, johac <jhac...@sbcglobal.com>
> wrote in alt.atheism
>
> >In article <vp3d22dp9rdnjd1bj...@4ax.com>,
> > Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ....
> >> Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship
> >> at
> >> archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
> >> Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
> >> ...
> >>
> >> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-0
> >> 3-2
> >> 5
> >
> >So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old myths
> >rather than their newer myths?
>
> Yes, they're worried about the drop in prophet$$$$$$$.
As always.
johac
"Chris Johnson" <effi...@gmail.com> wrote:
The old Greeks were pretty warlike, but then again they lived in violent
times. What is interesting is not only that their gods squabbled and
fought among themselves, but also took sides in human conflicts, e. g.
in Homer's Iliad.
Ben Kaufman
That was a mis-translation. It was actually, ".. rips off his cloak and reveals
his yaweh." :-)
Ben
johac
Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
Oh! So that's what it means. No wonder that it's never written out.
>
> Ben
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
>In article <31rg22p2udcd44pco...@4ax.com>,
> stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:31:15 -0800, johac <jhac...@sbcglobal.com>
>> wrote in alt.atheism
>>
>> >In article <vp3d22dp9rdnjd1bj...@4ax.com>,
>> > Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> ....
>> >> Until now Ministry of Culture banned them from conducting public worship
>> >> at
>> >> archeological sites and their gatherings were often secretive.
>> >> Greek Orthodox Church is severely criticizing worship of ancient deities.
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?catid=124&newsid=85091&ch=0&datte=2006-0
>> >> 3-2
>> >> 5
>> >
>> >So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old myths
>> >rather than their newer myths?
>>
>> Yes, they're worried about the drop in prophet$$$$$$$.
>
>As always.
They're pathetic.
stoney
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:37:26 -0800, johac <jhac...@sbcglobal.com> wrote:
And the ladies intoned; "Why did you bother?"
Thandarr
Thandarr
Mgr Dry Martini
Fwap
<daveg...@aol.com> wrote:
>Couldn't I get right with Priapus instead?
Actually, I think it depends on wether the gods has brought
you anything good lately. If it has, you're supposed to
thank the gods with generous gifts in return. If you don't,
the gods will be disappointed, and may not bring any to the
next party, or even refrain from answering any further
invitations. Or smite you with boils.
According to Sokrates, they like cocks.
...
johac
johac
stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
Zeus/Yaweh gets embarrassed and goes looking for a few good goats.
Michael Gray
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-59C97...@news.giganews.com>
So, the Masons were right!
--
johac
Michael Gray <fle...@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
<cue Simpson's episode about the 'Stonecutters'>
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
and the epitome of perversion.
stoney
alt.atheism
>Oh yeah, that reminds me, all you atheists better get right with Zeus!
Theists, not atheists.
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
>In article <o2hl22lufln8q4kkt...@4ax.com>,
And gets mounted by the rams.
Thandarr
fucked things up, the Christians were considered atheists. And they
were.
But I originally posted this for the 21st Century atheists. At the
time, I was just trying to generate posts for alt.slack.
Thandarr
johac
johac
stoney
alt.atheism
>Depends on your perspective, I guess. In Rome, before Constantine
>fucked things up, the Christians were considered atheists. And they
>were.
And still are. I see now you were using the term properly instead of
the commonly improper method.
>But I originally posted this for the 21st Century atheists. At the
>time, I was just trying to generate posts for alt.slack.
>
>Thandarr
--
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
and insecure control freqs....
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
The butt of jokes...
johac
stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
Most of the time they are out of control.
johac
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
>In article <i47032p20tcm82n36...@4ax.com>,
> stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
[]
and wildly ecstatic
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
>In article <qa7032hu44t1lh5i9...@4ax.com>,
> stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
[]
>> >> >> >>> >So is the church worried that people will subscribe to the old
>> >> >> >>> >myths
>> >> >> >>> >rather than their newer myths?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> What newer myths?
>> >> >> >>> They are just these old ones transparently recycled.
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>Well that is true. The just change the names and add a few bits to
>> >> >> >>the
>> >> >> >>story and take out a few of the old and Presto! Chango! Osiris
>> >> >> >>becomes
>> >> >> >>Jesus and Zeus rips off his cloak and is revealed as Yaweh.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >That was a mis-translation. It was actually, ".. rips off his cloak
>> >> >> >and
>> >> >> >reveals
>> >> >> >his yaweh." :-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And the ladies intoned; "Why did you bother?"
>> >> >
>> >> >Zeus/Yaweh gets embarrassed and goes looking for a few good goats.
>> >>
>> >> And gets mounted by the rams.
>> >
>> >Ram power!
>>
>> The butt of jokes...
>
>The joker of butts.
still stinks
johac
johac
Harry F. Leopold
(in article <jhachmann-CA408...@news.giganews.com>):
Nah, just dead for a couple of days skinks, long dead skinks don't stink,
fresh dead skinks don't stink, but for a couple of days up to a week, boy do
skinks stink!
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Ben Kaufman
No wonder, they didn't have talcum power to put on the old yaweh.
Ben
stoney
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:59:43 -0700, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
And they weren't big on personal hygeine.
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism
Lock up the boys!
Ben Kaufman
Another piece of evidence for evolution, we used to smell as bad as apes ;-)
Ben
stoney
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
And 'Jesus' hasn't evolved.
Ben Kaufman
<SNIP>
>And 'Jesus' hasn't evolved.
The myth may be evolving. First, Judas may not have betrayed him, and second,
he may have been crucified by his genitals.
Ben
stoney
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:04:01 -0700, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
So the character really was heavy into extreme S&M and B&D.
stoney
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:04:01 -0700, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/7000/20060330/0325000001.htm
Image of Jesus' crucifixion may be wrong, says study
PARIS (AFP) - The image of the crucifixion, one of the most powerful
emblems of Christianity, may be quite erroneous, according to a study
which says there is no evidence to prove Jesus was crucified in this
manner.
Around the world, in churches, on the walls of Christian homes, on
crucifixes worn as pendants, in innumerable books, paintings and movies,
Jesus Christ is seen nailed to the cross by his hands and feet, with his
head upwards and arms outstretched.
But a paper published by Britain's prestigious Royal Society of Medicine
(RSM) says this image has never been substantiated in fact.
Christ could have been crucified in any one of many ways, all of which
would have affected the causes of his death, it says.
"The evidence available demonstrates that people were crucified in
different postures and affixed to crosses using a variety of means,"
said one of the authors, Piers Mitchell of Imperial College London.
"Victims were not necessarily positioned head up and nailed through the
feet from front to back, as is the imagery in Christian churches."
The authors do not express any doubt on the act of Jesus' crucifixion
itself.
But they note that the few eyewitness descriptions available today of
crucifixions in the 1st century AD show the Romans had a broad and cruel
imagination.
Their crucifixion methods probably evolved over time and depended on the
social status of the victim and on the crime he allegedly committed,
says the paper in April's issue of the RSM journal.
The cross could be erected "in any one of a range of orientations", with
the victim sometimes head-up, sometimes head-down or in different
postures.
Sometimes he was nailed to the cross by his genitals, sometimes the
hands and feet were attached to the side of the cross and not the front,
or affixed with cords rather than nails.
"If crucified head-up, the victim's weight may also have been supported
on a small seat. This was believed to prolong the time it took a man to
die," says the study, co-authored by Matthew Masien, also of Imperial
College London's medicine faculty.
Crucifixion was widely practised by the Romans to punish criminals and
rebels, but if the empire ever circulated instructions for the soldiers
who carried out the gruesome task, none has survived today.
Nor is there any detailed account of the method of Jesus' crucifixion in
the four Gospels of the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) which are
believed to be near contemporary accounts of the life of Christ.
And only one piece of archaeological evidence has ever been found about
a crucifixion, mainly because crucified people were not formally buried
but left on a rubbish dump to be eaten by wild dogs and hyenas, say
Masien and Mitchell.
This case entails a young Jewish man, whose inscription on an ossuary,
found near Giv'at ha-Mivtar in Israel, suggests his name was probably
Yehonanan ben Hagkol.
The clue to his demise comes from an 11.5-centimetre (4.8-inch) iron
nail that had been hammered through one of his heels, attaching it to
the side of the cross. But there are no signs of any nail holes in the
bones of the wrist or the forearm.
Over the past 150 years, there have been at least 10 books and studies
to try to understand the physical causes of Jesus' death, and one US
attempt, in 2005, even featured a "humane re-enactment" in which
volunteers were attached to a cross in safe and temporary way, using
gloves and belts.
These explorations have yielded a wide range of hypotheses, from heart
failure and pulmonary embolism to asphyxia and shock induced by falling
blood pressure.
Excruciating pain endured over the six hours between crucifixion and
death, loss of blood, dehydration and the weight of the body on the
lungs are cited as contributing factors.
But, the study says, these efforts have all been prejudiced by the
automatic assumption, derived from religious images, that Jesus was
crucified head-up.
Given the uncertainty as to exactly how he was crucified, the answer may
only ever come if some new archaeological evidence or piece of writing
emerges from the shadows of the past, it says.
03/30/2006 03:21
/end
Michelle Malkin
"Ben Kaufman" <spaXm-mXe-anXd-p...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:04:01 -0700, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>
>>And 'Jesus' hasn't evolved.
>
> The myth may be evolving. First, Judas may not have betrayed him, and
> second,
> he may have been crucified by his genitals.
What a crucifix that would make!
--
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