Disproving Creation #54: Studying Macroevolution
Budikka666
http://tinyurl.com/276o27u
1. A scientific theory isn't vacuous. Creationism is.
http://tinyurl.com/28rt7kh
2. There is no scientific evidence to support creation
http://tinyurl.com/2a2uvr8
3. A scientific theory makes predictions. Creationism doesn't.
http://tinyurl.com/26agmca
4. Creationists are forced to lie.
http://tinyurl.com/2exl8na
5. The fossil record rejects a global flood.
http://tinyurl.com/24vc7ac
6. Organisms are all related genetically.
http://tinyurl.com/26nthkd
7. The odds are against creation.
http://tinyurl.com/36v4h2f
8. There's no intelligent design in DNA.
http://tinyurl.com/36dbcv2
9. Volcanic islands cannot be in a young-Earth with no evolution
http://tinyurl.com/3ysloo9
10. Creationists are forced to lie about evolutionists.
http://tinyurl.com/3x9aqr3
11. Cetaceans disprove creation
http://tinyurl.com/2eb2vwz
12. Genetic mistakes disprove creation.
http://tinyurl.com/2cvn4hl
13. The Grand Canyon disproves creation.
http://tinyurl.com/284xzc2
14. Plate tectonics disproves creation.
http://tinyurl.com/297nesr
15. Predator-prey relationships disprove creation.
http://tinyurl.com/2avwhlt
16. The composition of the genome disproves creation.
http://tinyurl.com/2d7hdl5
17. The evidence for evolution disproves creation (1).
http://tinyurl.com/26c6gx4
18. The evidence for evolution disproves creation (2).
http://tinyurl.com/2bkxttj
19. Creationists can't agree amongst themselves.
http://tinyurl.com/266tpxa
20. The evidence for evolution disproves creation (3).
http://tinyurl.com/26q7y3y
21. Did creationist medical cluelessness kill a baby?
http://tinyurl.com/29lf7j5
22. Creationist vacuity forces them to disparage Darwin (1).
http://tinyurl.com/35dgjk2
23. Parasites disprove creation.
http://tinyurl.com/2vp5boc
24. The Bible is the only "science book" the creationists have!
http://tinyurl.com/2wchxa5
25. Endogenous Retroviruses disprove creation.
http://tinyurl.com/25ufnkf
26. Tiktaalik disproves creation.
http://tinyurl.com/2b7yobm
27. 29+ evidences of macro-evolution.
http://tinyurl.com/28hsfpv
28. Creationist can't refute evolutionists so they lie instead.
http://tinyurl.com/2at7zp3
29. Evolution is a fact.
http://tinyurl.com/2a6xl5z
30. Creationist vacuity forces them to disparage Darwin (2).
http://tinyurl.com/24hxf3l
31. Creationists are illogical even in their own "reality".
http://tinyurl.com/292sryp
32. Creationists can't define "kind"!
http://tinyurl.com/26zvknq
33. Creationism is a "false confession"!
http://tinyurl.com/2djfcje
34. Why are theistic scientists so scarce?
http://tinyurl.com/26trnfo
35. Evolution of Color Vision
http://tinyurl.com/2c7dpoe
36. Evolution of the Eye
http://tinyurl.com/278wvnq
37. Evolution of the Eye
http://tinyurl.com/29t9hn8
38. Ring Species
http://tinyurl.com/38u7dy3
39. Lake Victoria (Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Africa) Fish Population
http://tinyurl.com/32cn73f
40. Abiogenesis
http://tinyurl.com/3yaywxz
41. The Evolution of Mammals
http://tinyurl.com/2umbw5r
42. More Fossils Showing Up All the Time
http://tinyurl.com/2wbv6vg
43. The Complete Failure of Creationism
http://tinyurl.com/2vvdstr
44. Soft Tissue Preservation and Ancient DNA
http://tinyurl.com/26pgjl8
45. Creationists Are Terrified of the Evidence
http://tinyurl.com/2g2y4pf
46. What the Heck is Religious "Truth"?
http://tinyurl.com/236j9tt
47. Creation Excuses, Evolution Produces
http://tinyurl.com/26ff8or
48. Evolution and Biogeography
http://tinyurl.com/28jkc4w
49. The Total Absence of "Kinds"
http://tinyurl.com/2ce6v8o
50. What the Heck is Scientific "Truth"?
http://tinyurl.com/2a8cegj
51. Evidence of Evolution Shows Up Everywhere
http://tinyurl.com/2g7xo6q
52. Sirenian Macro-Evolution
http://tinyurl.com/2852nzn
53. Mudskippers undermine ID claims
http://tinyurl.com/22psac2
Unlike creation - upon which no study of any kind is being done
because creationists have no science - macro-evolution *is* being
studied by evolutionists:
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/is-macroevoluti-1.html
Once again I challenge the creationists to define "kind"
scientifically, and then provide a supported explanation of exactly
what the mechanism is which prevents one "kind" from evolving into a
different "kind" over time. Creationists always RUN from this
challenge. I wonder why?
Budikka
ilbe...@gmail.com
> Introduction and my predictions (subsequently proven true!)http://tinyurl.com/276o27u
> 1. A scientific theory isn't vacuous. Creationism is.http://tinyurl.com/28rt7kh
> 2. There is no scientific evidence to support creationhttp://tinyurl.com/2a2uvr8
> 3. A scientific theory makes predictions. Creationism doesn't.http://tinyurl.com/26agmca
> 4. Creationists are forced to lie.http://tinyurl.com/2exl8na
> 5. The fossil record rejects a global flood.http://tinyurl.com/24vc7ac
> 6. Organisms are all related genetically.http://tinyurl.com/26nthkd
> 7. The odds are against creation.http://tinyurl.com/36v4h2f
> 8. There's no intelligent design in DNA.http://tinyurl.com/36dbcv2
> 9. Volcanic islands cannot be in a young-Earth with no evolutionhttp://tinyurl.com/3ysloo9> 11. Cetaceans disprove creationhttp://tinyurl.com/2eb2vwz
> 12. Genetic mistakes disprove creation.http://tinyurl.com/2cvn4hl
> 13. The Grand Canyon disproves creation.http://tinyurl.com/284xzc2
> 14. Plate tectonics disproves creation.http://tinyurl.com/297nesr
> 15. Predator-prey relationships disprove creation.http://tinyurl.com/2avwhlt
> 16. The composition of the genome disproves creation.http://tinyurl.com/2d7hdl5
> 17. The evidence for evolution disproves creation (1).http://tinyurl.com/26c6gx4
> 18. The evidence for evolution disproves creation (2).http://tinyurl.com/2bkxttj
> 19. Creationists can't agree amongst themselves.http://tinyurl.com/266tpxa
> 20. The evidence for evolution disproves creation (3).http://tinyurl.com/26q7y3y
> 21. Did creationist medical cluelessness kill a baby?http://tinyurl.com/29lf7j5> 23. Parasites disprove creation.http://tinyurl.com/2vp5boc
> 24. The Bible is the only "science book" the creationists have!http://tinyurl.com/2wchxa5> 26. Tiktaalik disproves creation.http://tinyurl.com/2b7yobm
> 27. 29+ evidences of macro-evolution.http://tinyurl.com/28hsfpv
> 28. Creationist can't refute evolutionists so they lie instead.http://tinyurl.com/2at7zp3
> 29. Evolution is a fact.http://tinyurl.com/2a6xl5z
> 30. Creationist vacuity forces them to disparage Darwin (2).http://tinyurl.com/24hxf3l
> 31. Creationists are illogical even in their own "reality".http://tinyurl.com/292sryp
> 32. Creationists can't define "kind"!http://tinyurl.com/26zvknq
> 33. Creationism is a "false confession"!http://tinyurl.com/2djfcje
> 34. Why are theistic scientists so scarce?http://tinyurl.com/26trnfo
> 35. Evolution of Color Visionhttp://tinyurl.com/2c7dpoe
> 36. Evolution of the Eyehttp://tinyurl.com/278wvnq> 38. Ring Specieshttp://tinyurl.com/38u7dy3> 40. Abiogenesishttp://tinyurl.com/3yaywxz
> 41. The Evolution of Mammalshttp://tinyurl.com/2umbw5r
> 42. More Fossils Showing Up All the Timehttp://tinyurl.com/2wbv6vg
> 43. The Complete Failure of Creationismhttp://tinyurl.com/2vvdstr
> 44. Soft Tissue Preservation and Ancient DNAhttp://tinyurl.com/26pgjl8
> 45. Creationists Are Terrified of the Evidencehttp://tinyurl.com/2g2y4pf
> 46. What the Heck is Religious "Truth"?http://tinyurl.com/236j9tt> 48. Evolution and Biogeographyhttp://tinyurl.com/28jkc4w> 50. What the Heck is Scientific "Truth"?http://tinyurl.com/2a8cegj> 52. Sirenian Macro-Evolutionhttp://tinyurl.com/2852nzn
> 53. Mudskippers undermine ID claimshttp://tinyurl.com/22psac2
>
> Unlike creation - upon which no study of any kind is being done
> because creationists have no science - macro-evolution *is* being
> studied by evolutionists:http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/is-macroevoluti-1.html
>
> Once again I challenge the creationists to define "kind"
> scientifically, and then provide a supported explanation of exactly
> what the mechanism is which prevents one "kind" from evolving into a
> different "kind" over time. Creationists always RUN from this
> challenge. I wonder why?
>
> Budikka
Kind is the same as Family. IE: The Dog Family, The Cow Family,
The Pig Family, The Adams Family. Your silly unscientific theory,
has a Cow turning into a Whale and a one celled Amoeba eventually
turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being with an alleged
'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
to Man. Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
archie dux
Um, you may want to notice that Budikka did not ask for another
round of "NO IT ISN'T! NO IT ISN'T!! NO IT ISN'T!!!"
What Budikka DID ask you for is a specific mechanism
that would prevent one "Kind" from evolving into another
"Kind".
"NO!NO!NO!NO!NOOOOO!!!" is not really a mechanism.
Evolutionary theory provides for just such a mechanism.
Wha't you mechanism that prevents this?
archie
Virgil
<39c5e63d-b693-4c5a...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
"IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Among all 26 of the families in class Mammalia I see no listing of any
of the alleged families you mention:
€ 1.1.2 Class Mammalia
€ 1.1.2.1 Order Artiodactyla
€ 1.1.2.2 Order Carnivora
€ 1.1.2.3 Order Cetacea
€ 1.1.2.4 Order Chiroptera
€ 1.1.2.5 Order Dasyuromorphia
€ 1.1.2.6 Order Dermoptera
€ 1.1.2.7 Order Didelphimorphia
€ 1.1.2.8 Order Diprotodontia
€ 1.1.2.9 Order Hyracoidea
€ 1.1.2.10 Order Insectivora
€ 1.1.2.11 Order Lagomorpha
€ 1.1.2.12 Order Macroscelidea
€ 1.1.2.13 Order Microbiotheria
€ 1.1.2.14 Order Monotremata
€ 1.1.2.15 Order Notoryctemorphia
€ 1.1.2.16 Order Paucituberculata
€ 1.1.2.17 Order Peramelemorphia
€ 1.1.2.18 Order Perissodactyla
€ 1.1.2.19 Order Pholidota
€ 1.1.2.20 Order Primates
€ 1.1.2.21 Order Proboscidea
€ 1.1.2.22 Order Rodentia
€ 1.1.2.23 Order Scandentia
€ 1.1.2.24 Order Sirenia
€ 1.1.2.25 Order Tubulidentata
€ 1.1.2.26 Order Xenarthra
So what form of classification dare you using?
> Your silly unscientific theory,
Our scientific theories are a great deal less silly than your
theological ones.
Sapient Fridge
<39c5e63d-b693-4c5a...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
"IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> writes
Strange because, for example, coyotes and dogs are further apart
genetically than humans are from chimps yet I assume you would say they
are both part of the "Dog Family".
So why aren't humans part of the ape family?
Also are dogs and bears part of the same family i.e. are they the same
"kind" or not? How would you classify this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_dog
>Your silly unscientific theory,
>has a Cow turning into a Whale
Lie. Nobody says that cows evolved into whales, they had a common
ancestor about 60 million years ago.
BTW: How does your kindergarten taxonomy classify this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambulocetus
>and a one celled Amoeba eventually
>turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being
Lie. Nobody says that amoeba evolved into human beings, they are not in
our lineage. Our common ancestor with them was probably about 700
million years ago, at least.
>with an alleged
>'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
>to Man.
Can you cite your source for this statement, along with the numbers you
are using to compare complexity?
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
>all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
>whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
All you have is argument from personal incredulity. Fail.
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Are you referring to the taxonomic category here or something in your
own head?
> IE: The Dog Family, The Cow Family,
> The Pig Family, The Adams Family.
Care to provide the proper scientific names for these families?
> Your silly unscientific theory,
> has a Cow turning into a Whale and a one celled Amoeba eventually
> turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle
No evolutionary scientist has ever claimed that a cow turned into a
whale, or that an amoeba turned into a human.
You still have trouble with numbers, why is that Dave?
> Human Being with an alleged
> 'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
> to Man.
So the brain is the most complicated complex "thing" known to man is
it?
I doubt that.
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
> all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
> whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
And as I asked in a previous thread, and you didn't answer back then.
Would you still bend the knee in worship to your creator if it turned
out to be a bunch of scientists from an advanced alien civilisation?
Budikka666
Are you serious? You *really* want to make that admission in public?
To paraphrase the purported words of Thomas Huxley, your words hath
delivered you into my hands"!
> IE: The Dog Family,
It really is not surprise that you said that; you've been going to the
dogs as long as I've known you. But since you're making an effort
here, I'm prepared to let you off the leash for a while see if you can
dress up your claims like a dog's dinner or if you've got sratch.
All I see up there is you repeating - without giving it a smidgeon of
thought as usual - something that you read on some idiotic creationist
web site. Does that make you a part of the parrot family? Or am I
barking up the wrong tree?
Unfortunately, I requested a *scientific* definition, and I see no
such thing there. Are you admitting that you're prepared to accept
the definition of those evolutionists you so despise for the sake of
this exchange? Why? Why trust them with this when you're calling
them liars and frauds every single day of your life?
So what is it, in the genome, which makes a dog a dog and not a cat?
Can you describe what it is in the genome which not only
differentiates a dog from a cat, but which also keeps them separate
such that no matter how far back in time we go, they could *never*
have had a relative in common? Can you demonstrate that for us?
So after you've repeatedly sworn on Usenet (without a shred of support
as usual) that there's no such thing as speciation, you're now freely
admitting that there's not only speciation, but generation - evolution
between genera?
If that's your position now, what biological mechanism is it which
allows all manner of evolution that you evidently previously LIED did
not take place, but slams the door shut at this "family barrier" you
still haven't defined?
*That* was part of my question and I see you've carefully avoided
addressing it.
The dog family is Canidae (no, that's not the country just north of
the USA). That's the scientific name. You haven't given a scientific
definition, which is what I asked for. Instead, you just spewed up
something you read, to which you never gave a moment's thought, and
now you're going to have to deal with your thoughtlessness in public
here in these world-wide news groups.
You said a wolf is part of the family, but what about an aardwolf? Is
that part of the family? How can you tell if it is or it isn't?
What about bears? Are they part of the "greater dog family"? They're
kinda like dogs, aren't they? If they're not, what is it which, on a
scientific basis, excludes them from your dog family?
What about the raccoon? They kind look like dogs. Are they part of
the "greater dog family"? What about the raccoon dog? Is that part
of the family? How can you tell?
What about seals, sea lions and walruses? Are they part of the
family, and if not, why not? Given that they lead lifestyles which
are significantly different from that of dogs, why do they have so
much DNA in common if they're not even related? Or are they related?
How can you tell?
The earliest dog fossil dates back to before the Earth was created on
*your* time scale: 10,000BC. How would you know if it was related to
modern dogs?
Was this primitive otter-like organism related to the seal family?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30350884/
How can you tell if it was or it wasn't? How would you be able to
tell if a fossil skull was related to the dog family or if it was
related to the seal family? What's the scientific basis you use to
include one organism in a family and exclude another?
What about bacteria? Do you know that there's more diversity between
families of bacteria than there is between all the chordata? Are you
saying that bacteria cannot exchange genetic code if they're from
different families? What science can you present which shows that a
bacterial species from one family evolving into a different family
over time?
> The Cow Family,
Are sheep in the cow family? What about bison? What about
gazelles? How can you tell how to include one and exclude another?
> The Pig Family
Are pigs related to the porcula? If not, why not? If so, why?
> The Adams Family. Your silly unscientific theory,
How can it be unscientific when it's bolstered by 150 years of solid
science, much of which has been supplied by people who worship the
same god you worship? Are they atheists? Are your fellow Christians
liars, frauds, and cheats? Why isn't *that* controversy being
publicized by creationists?
> has a Cow turning into a Whale
Where does the Theory of Evolution say that? You made the
statement. You must support it, because if you can't, you'd be
bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> and a one celled Amoeba eventually
> turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being with an alleged
> 'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
> to Man.
Where does the theory of Evolution state that an amoeba evolved into
humans? You made the statement. You must support it, because if you
can't, you'd be bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
No I don't *believe* - I *know* it's a fact based on the freely
available evidence, and I know for a fact that the best explanation
for the fact of evolution is the fully-supported scientific Theory of
Evolution. There's no belief invovled at all, only demonstrable,
testable science,
Why doesn't creation have any of that? I mean if creation had science
you'd be boasting about it all over Usenet instead of whining about
the overwhelmingly massive amount of evidence that there is for
evolution wouldn't you now?
> all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
> whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
Your god is fake until and unless you prove it isn't, and even if you
did prove that it isn't a fairy tale, your god will not let me in
since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Where's the infinite mercy now?
I'm banned from heaven, so you're wasting your time, and guess what?
even if it were proven beyond all shadow of a doubt that there is a
heaven, I reject it and your god because the very last place I want to
spend eternity is with people like you.
Got it now? I've told you often enough. If you weren't so
chronically learning-impaired you'd have grasped that by now, as
indeed you'd have grasped the inevitable and inescapable reality of
evolution.
I await your answers to the questions I asked - *supported answers*.
Got that?
Budikka
Budikka666
Ken
Dimwitted Dave:
> Are you serious? You *really* want to make that admission in public?
> To paraphrase the purported words of Thomas Huxley, your words hath
> delivered you into my hands"!
>
> > IE: The Dog Family,
>
> It really is not surprise that you said that; you've been going to the
> dogs as long as I've known you. But since you're making an effort
> here, I'm prepared to let you off the leash for a while see if you can
> dress up your claims like a dog's dinner or if you've got sratch.
>
> All I see up there is you repeating - without giving it a smidgeon of
> thought as usual - something that you read on some idiotic creationist
> web site. Does that make you a part of the parrot family? Or am I
> barking up the wrong tree?
>
> I await your answers to the questions I asked - *supported answers*.
> Got that?
>
> Budikka
Dimwitted Dave doesn't "do" answers, or replies either!
livvy
> 41. The Evolution of Mammalshttp://tinyurl.com/2umbw5r
> 42. More Fossils Showing Up All the Timehttp://tinyurl.com/2wbv6vg
> 43. The Complete Failure of Creationismhttp://tinyurl.com/2vvdstr
> 44. Soft Tissue Preservation and Ancient DNAhttp://tinyurl.com/26pgjl8
> 45. Creationists Are Terrified of the Evidencehttp://tinyurl.com/2g2y4pf
> 46. What the Heck is Religious "Truth"?http://tinyurl.com/236j9tt
> 47. Creation Excuses, Evolution Produceshttp://tinyurl.com/26ff8or
> 51. Evidence of Evolution Shows Up Everywherehttp://tinyurl.com/2g7xo6q
> 53. Mudskippers undermine ID claimshttp://tinyurl.com/22psac2
>
> Unlike creation - upon which no study of any kind is being done
> because creationists have no science - macro-evolution *is* being
> studied by evolutionists:http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/is-macroevoluti-1.html
>
> Once again I challenge the creationists to define "kind"
> scientifically, and then provide a supported explanation of exactly
> what the mechanism is which prevents one "kind" from evolving into a
> different "kind" over time. Creationists always RUN from this
> challenge. I wonder why?
>
> Budikka
And, once again....how exhaustive. You should have paid attention
in school, and at home. And, if you'd been given the opportunity to
grow up, and discern for yourself, which you weren't,
obviously.....you could have figured it all out for yourself, without
all the linki-ness. How sad. Hasn't a thing to do with anyone
other than you. Lots of thought matter. If you were an adult, you
you could see that all the links are just reading material... all the
stuff has been.seen before. Since you are, obviously, not a grown-
up....you would not know that. And that hasn't a thing to do with
anyone other than you.
Budikka666
Are you serious? You *really* want to make that admission in public?
To paraphrase the purported words of Thomas Huxley, your words hath
delivered you into my hands"!
> IE: The Dog Family,
It really is not surprise that you said that; you've been going to the
dogs as long as I've known you. But since you're making an effort
here, I'm prepared to let you off the leash for a while see if you can
dress up your claims like a dog's dinner or if you've got sratch.
All I see up there is you repeating - without giving it a smidgeon of
thought as usual - something that you read on some idiotic creationist
web site. Does that make you a part of the parrot family? Or am I
barking up the wrong tree?
Unfortunately, I requested a *scientific* definition, and I see no
> The Cow Family,
> The Pig Family
> The Adams Family. Your silly unscientific theory,
How can it be unscientific when it's bolstered by 150 years of solid
science, much of which has been supplied by people who worship the
same god you worship? Are they atheists? Are your fellow Christians
liars, frauds, and cheats? Why isn't *that* controversy being
publicized by creationists?
> has a Cow turning into a Whale
Where does the Theory of Evolution say that? You made the
statement. You must support it, because if you can't, you'd be
bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> and a one celled Amoeba eventually
> turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being with an alleged
> 'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
> to Man.
Where does the theory of Evolution state that an amoeba evolved into
humans? You made the statement. You must support it, because if you
can't, you'd be bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
No I don't *believe* - I *know* it's a fact based on the freely
available evidence, and I know for a fact that the best explanation
for the fact of evolution is the fully-supported scientific Theory of
Evolution. There's no belief invovled at all, only demonstrable,
testable science,
Why doesn't creation have any of that? I mean if creation had science
you'd be boasting about it all over Usenet instead of whining about
the overwhelmingly massive amount of evidence that there is for
evolution wouldn't you now?
> all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
> whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
Your god is fake until and unless you prove it isn't, and even if you
did prove that it isn't a fairy tale, your god will not let me in
since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Where's the infinite mercy now?
I'm banned from heaven, so you're wasting your time, and guess what?
even if it were proven beyond all shadow of a doubt that there is a
heaven, I reject it and your god because the very last place I want to
spend eternity is with people like you.
Got it now? I've told you often enough. If you weren't so
chronically learning-impaired you'd have grasped that by now, as
indeed you'd have grasped the inevitable and inescapable reality of
evolution.
I await your answers to the questions I asked - *supported answers*.
Got that?
Budikka
Budikka666
Are you serious? You *really* want to make that admission in public?
> IE: The Dog Family,
> The Cow Family,
> The Pig Family
> The Adams Family. Your silly unscientific theory,
How can it be unscientific when it's bolstered by 150 years of solid
science, much of which has been supplied by people who worship the
same god you worship? Are they atheists? Are your fellow Christians
liars, frauds, and cheats? Why isn't *that* controversy being
publicized by creationists?
> has a Cow turning into a Whale
Where does the Theory of Evolution say that? You made the
statement. You must support it, because if you can't, you'd be
bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> and a one celled Amoeba eventually
> turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being with an alleged
> 'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
> to Man.
Where does the theory of Evolution state that an amoeba evolved into
humans? You made the statement. You must support it, because if you
can't, you'd be bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
No I don't *believe* - I *know* it's a fact based on the freely
available evidence, and I know for a fact that the best explanation
for the fact of evolution is the fully-supported scientific Theory of
Evolution. There's no belief invovled at all, only demonstrable,
testable science,
Why doesn't creation have any of that? I mean if creation had science
you'd be boasting about it all over Usenet instead of whining about
the overwhelmingly massive amount of evidence that there is for
evolution wouldn't you now?
> all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
> whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
Your god is fake until and unless you prove it isn't, and even if you
Budikka666
Are you serious? You *really* want to make that admission in public?
> IE: The Dog Family,
> The Cow Family,
> The Pig Family
> The Adams Family. Your silly unscientific theory,
How can it be unscientific when it's bolstered by 150 years of solid
science, much of which has been supplied by people who worship the
same god you worship? Are they atheists? Are your fellow Christians
liars, frauds, and cheats? Why isn't *that* controversy being
publicized by creationists?
> has a Cow turning into a Whale
Where does the Theory of Evolution say that? You made the
statement. You must support it, because if you can't, you'd be
bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> and a one celled Amoeba eventually
> turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being with an alleged
> 'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
> to Man.
Where does the theory of Evolution state that an amoeba evolved into
humans? You made the statement. You must support it, because if you
can't, you'd be bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
No I don't *believe* - I *know* it's a fact based on the freely
available evidence, and I know for a fact that the best explanation
for the fact of evolution is the fully-supported scientific Theory of
Evolution. There's no belief invovled at all, only demonstrable,
testable science,
Why doesn't creation have any of that? I mean if creation had science
you'd be boasting about it all over Usenet instead of whining about
the overwhelmingly massive amount of evidence that there is for
evolution wouldn't you now?
> all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
> whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
Your god is fake until and unless you prove it isn't, and even if you
Budikka666
Are you serious? You *really* want to make that admission in public?
> IE: The Dog Family,
> The Cow Family,
> The Pig Family
> The Adams Family. Your silly unscientific theory,
How can it be unscientific when it's bolstered by 150 years of solid
science, much of which has been supplied by people who worship the
same god you worship? Are they atheists? Are your fellow Christians
liars, frauds, and cheats? Why isn't *that* controversy being
publicized by creationists?
> has a Cow turning into a Whale
Where does the Theory of Evolution say that? You made the
statement. You must support it, because if you can't, you'd be
bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> and a one celled Amoeba eventually
> turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being with an alleged
> 'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
> to Man.
Where does the theory of Evolution state that an amoeba evolved into
humans? You made the statement. You must support it, because if you
can't, you'd be bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
No I don't *believe* - I *know* it's a fact based on the freely
available evidence, and I know for a fact that the best explanation
for the fact of evolution is the fully-supported scientific Theory of
Evolution. There's no belief invovled at all, only demonstrable,
testable science,
Why doesn't creation have any of that? I mean if creation had science
you'd be boasting about it all over Usenet instead of whining about
the overwhelmingly massive amount of evidence that there is for
evolution wouldn't you now?
> all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
> whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
Your god is fake until and unless you prove it isn't, and even if you
Ken
Shit4Brains:
> Got it now? I've told you often enough. If you weren't so
> chronically learning-impaired you'd have grasped that by now, as
> indeed you'd have grasped the inevitable and inescapable reality of
> evolution.
>
> I await your answers to the questions I asked - *supported answers*.
> Got that?
>
> Budikka
We all know that but never stop harassing the worthless fundy POS
(just for that reason)
Scott Balneaves
Livvy, Livvy, Livvy, where to begin with this world salad?
> And, once again....how exhaustive.
It's called providing evidence for assertions. Budikka askes a rhetorical
question, which is the argument she's putting forward, then points you to an
authoritative article which provides some evidence for her assertion. That's
how you establish a proper argument.
> You should have paid attention
> in school, and at home.
She did. That's why she knows she has to back up an argument with evidence.
> And, if you'd been given the opportunity to
> grow up, and discern for yourself, which you weren't,
> obviously.....
Projection.
> you could have figured it all out for yourself, without
> all the linki-ness.
Wrong. Learning how things work either involves doing primary research
yourself, or earlier on, reading what others have already learned. In Science,
just about everyone stands on the shoulders of giants. You rely on what others
have found out before, and either extend their theories, filling in the blanks,
or, learning from them what DIDN'T work, and trying something new. A failure
in Science is just as valid a result as a success.
But, either way, or familiarize yourself by what others have learned first.
That means reading the associated literature. Budikka very kindly gives you
pointers to lots of it.
> How sad.
Nope.
> Hasn't a thing to do with anyone
> other than you.
Research and disseminating information benefit all mankind.
> Lots of thought matter.
But many are incorrect.
> If you were an adult, you
> you could see that all the links are just reading material...
Which is how people who value learning, er, learn things.
> all the
> stuff has been.seen before.
If that were the case, then why do we keep seeing the same tired arguments that
have been fully refuted put forward again and again?
> Since you are, obviously, not a grown-
> up....
Evidence?
Andrew
> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
One who loves you.
Andrew
Prophet
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
what a thought THAT is.
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> so you can get in? There you may meet your creator, the
> One who loves you.
We note that the morontheist openly admits to NOT follow what's written in
its cult's "scripture". As the content of said "scripture" is supposedly
the revealed word of its cult's idol, it follows that the morontheist
openly admits "I care a rat's arse about what my idol tells me to do or not
to do".
And nothing more needs to be said about that.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Ken
And STILL dickwadd dave remains silent,
(other that his pointless mindless bible thumping in other threads)
Bob T.
> I can't wait to have a hot threesome with Satan and Saddam Hussein.*
What makes you think they would have you? Frankly, you're not very
attractive, even to monsters.
- Bob T
* That may not be exactly what Andrew said, but by his own
demonstrated standards it's close enough.
Don Martin
Given your imaginary heaven, why not? Got any evidence for this real estate? Or
are you just jacking off to the notion?
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
AZ Nomad
>Morontheist "Andrew":
>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>> so you can get in? ?There you may meet your creator, the
>> One who loves you.
>We note that the morontheist openly admits to NOT follow what's written in
>its cult's "scripture". As the content of said "scripture" is supposedly
>the revealed word of its cult's idol, it follows that the morontheist
>openly admits "I care a rat's arse about what my idol tells me to do or not
>to do".
"I don't care a rat's arse" would be a bit more accurate.
What you said is that he really cares, but his actions indicate
otherwise.
John Locke
wrote:
He loves you like I love a nice crouch rash. What God does love is a
good prank but you don't get the joke. You see, the reward of paradise
isn't a test of faith. It's a test of intelligence and reason. God
just wanted to know who would actually be dumb enough to fall for
Creationism and all the rest of that biblical nonsense. What god would
want to be surrounded by millions of half-baked, groveling godbots for
eternity. Looks like you lose.
---------------------------------------------------------------
""All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian,
or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to
terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
-- Thomas Paine
Devils Advocaat
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
Are you that ignorant of the Bible Andrew?
Matthew 12:31-32
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men,
but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever
shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him;
but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be
forgiven him, either in this age, or in the {age} to come."
Mark 3:28-30
"Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and
whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the
Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."
Luke 12:10
10 "And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it
shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit,
it shall not be forgiven him.
Sulfate
I'm sorry, but are you arguing for or against macroevolution? I ask
not because I particularly care what you think, but because your
ability to be incoherent is truly spectacular and I'm honestly curious
what the fuck your post was supposed to mean.
Virgil
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
I think that before that, she would need unequivcal evidence that
(1) There is one, and only one, god, and
(2) That that god does love her, and
(3) There is a heaven, and
(4) That god can get her into that heaven, and
(5) She would prefer that heaven to whatever alternatives are available.
Andrew
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>> One who loves you.
>>
>> Andrew
>
> Are you that ignorant of the Bible Andrew?
>
> Matthew 12:31-32
>
> "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men,
> but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever
> shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him;
> but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be
> forgiven him, either in this age, or in the {age} to come."
>
> Mark 3:28-30
>
> "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and
> whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the
> Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
> because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."
>
> Luke 12:10
>
> 10 "And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it
> shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit,
> it shall not be forgiven him.
Is this why you're not going either?
Andrew
"Andrew" wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>
> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
> One who loves you.
>
> Andrew
- Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
-
- what a thought THAT is.
It would be a powerful demonstration of
the greatness of God's mercy and love.
Just like Saul, the hater of Christians
was converted to be Paul the apostle.
Budikka could also be converted to be
a great apostle of the truth of creation.
It may seem impossible, but with God
all things are possible.
Andrew
Andrew
> "Andrew" wrote:
>
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>> One who loves you.
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>
> I think that before that, she would need unequivcal evidence that
> (1) There is one, and only one, god, and
> (2) That that god does love her, and
> (3) There is a heaven, and
> (4) That god can get her into that heaven, and
> (5) She would prefer that heaven to whatever alternatives are available.
She knows there is a God. Otherwise she would not
have blasphemed the Holy Spirit who is a member of
the Godhead.
She knows there is a heaven, Otherwise she would
not be lamenting the fact that she has been banned.
How about you, are you going?
Buddythunder
> "Prophet" wrote in messagenews:cc94f99f-bddf-4c91...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
I'm sure it would stick in your craw, though!
DanielSan
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:53:26 -0700 (PDT), Prophet<el...@priest.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 12, 9:46 am, "Andrew"<andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>
>>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>>> One who loves you.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>
>> Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
>
> Given your imaginary heaven, why not? Got any evidence for this real estate? Or
> are you just jacking off to the notion?
I would think that God (if he existed at all) would expect you to use
your brain. Budikka would be more destined for Heaven than any
unthinking theist.
--
DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226
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"Some experts believe that God used something
like a nuclear bomb to destoy Sodom." --Jason
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Virgil
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
> "Virgil" wrote in message
> news:Virgil-5D1720....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
> >>
> >> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> >> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
> >>
> >> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> >> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
> >> One who loves you.
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >
> > I think that before that, she would need unequivcal evidence that
> > (1) There is one, and only one, god, and
> > (2) That that god does love her, and
> > (3) There is a heaven, and
> > (4) That god can get her into that heaven, and
> > (5) She would prefer that heaven to whatever alternatives are available.
>
>
> She knows there is a God.
Nonsense. No one can "know" that for which there is no unequivacal
evidence.
Otherwise she would not
> have blasphemed the Holy Spirit who is a member of
> the Godhead.
She merely questions the wisdom and truth of those who claim such a god.
> She knows there is a heaven
As there is no more unequivocal evidence for the existence of a heaven
than there is for existence of a god, why should she "know" the one
without the other?
Those who would have everyone follow their own particular religion, must
first eliminate all competing religions, which you cretinist IDiots have
not yet done.
Doc Smartass
news:WJudnVQnCphJ6SnR...@earthlink.com:
By the power vested in me, given by me to me, I hereby unban Budikka, and
declare it irrevocable.
How do you like them apples, bitch?
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Mighty Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Kooks! http://kookclearinghouse.blogspot.com/
Books! http://jw-bookblog.blogspot.com/
"Just when you think you've seen stupid, along comes religion." - J.L.
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in message
news:WJudnVQnCphJ6SnR...@earthlink.com...
Wow.
You really are taking this psychotic delusion all the way - aren't
you!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
That's a blatant lie.
He hasn't been able to help you with all your mental diseases, lies, and
delusions.
bobsyo...@yahoo.com
She cannot "know" what isn't there, moron.
Budikka666
> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>
> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> so you can get in?
You really are the most stupid fuckless dick on Usenet. How many
times have I personally told you directly that the last place I want
to spend eternity is with LYING cowardly, hypocritical, vacuous
jerkwad assholes like you creationist scum?
What's it going going to take to get that, or ANYTHING through your
pigshit skull, you lame-brained fuck?
Go fuck yourself and your god.
Does ***THAT*** clarify things for you you brain-dead waste of DNA?
Budikka
Budikka666
wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote innews:WJudnVQnCphJ6SnR...@earthlink.com:
>
> > "Budikka666" wrote in message
> >news:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com.
> > ..
>
> >> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> >> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>
> > Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> > so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
> > One who loves you.
>
> By the power vested in me, given by me to me, I hereby unban Budikka, and
> declare it irrevocable.
>
> How do you like them apples, bitch?
You're such a god! Now if you just arrange whirled peas, I'd be in
Heaven!
Budikka
DanielSan
> "Virgil" wrote in message news:Virgil-5D1720....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>
>>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>
>>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>>> One who loves you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>
>> I think that before that, she would need unequivcal evidence that
>> (1) There is one, and only one, god, and
>> (2) That that god does love her, and
>> (3) There is a heaven, and
>> (4) That god can get her into that heaven, and
>> (5) She would prefer that heaven to whatever alternatives are available.
>
>
> She knows there is a God.
Exodus 20:16, Andrew.
Budikka666
Are you serious? You *really* want to make that admission in public?
To paraphrase the purported words of Thomas Huxley, your words hath
delivered you into my hands"!
> IE: The Dog Family,
It really is not surprise that you said that; you've been going to the
dogs as long as I've known you. But since you're making an effort
here, I'm prepared to let you off the leash for a while see if you can
dress up your claims like a dog's dinner or if you've got sratch.
All I see up there is you repeating - without giving it a smidgeon of
thought as usual - something that you read on some idiotic creationist
web site. Does that make you a part of the parrot family? Or am I
barking up the wrong tree?
Unfortunately, I requested a *scientific* definition, and I see no
such thing there. Are you admitting that you're prepared to accept
the definition of those evolutionists you so despise for the sake of
this exchange? Why? Why trust them with this when you're calling
them liars and frauds every single day of your life?
So what is it, in the genome, which makes a dog a dog and not a cat?
Can you describe what it is in the genome which not only
differentiates a dog from a cat, but which also keeps them separate
such that no matter how far back in time we go, they could *never*
have had a relative in common? Can you demonstrate that for us?
So after you've repeatedly sworn on Usenet (without a shred of support
as usual) that there's no such thing as speciation, you're now freely
admitting that there's not only speciation, but generation - evolution
between genera?
If that's your position now, what biological mechanism is it which
allows all manner of evolution that you evidently previously LIED did
not take place, but slams the door shut at this "family barrier" you
still haven't defined?
*That* was part of my question and I see you've carefully avoided
addressing it.
The dog family is Canidae (no, that's not the country just north of
the USA). That's the scientific name. You haven't given a scientific
definition, which is what I asked for. Instead, you just spewed up
something you read, to which you never gave a moment's thought, and
now you're going to have to deal with your thoughtlessness in public
here in these world-wide news groups.
You said a wolf is part of the family, but what about an aardwolf? Is
that part of the family? How can you tell if it is or it isn't?
What about bears? Are they part of the "greater dog family"? They're
kinda like dogs, aren't they? If they're not, what is it which, on a
scientific basis, excludes them from your dog family?
What about the raccoon? They kind look like dogs. Are they part of
the "greater dog family"? What about the raccoon dog? Is that part
of the family? How can you tell?
What about seals, sea lions and walruses? Are they part of the
family, and if not, why not? Given that they lead lifestyles which
are significantly different from that of dogs, why do they have so
much DNA in common if they're not even related? Or are they related?
How can you tell?
The earliest dog fossil dates back to before the Earth was created on
*your* time scale: 10,000BC. How would you know if it was related to
modern dogs?
Was this primitive otter-like organism related to the seal family?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30350884/
How can you tell if it was or it wasn't? How would you be able to
tell if a fossil skull was related to the dog family or if it was
related to the seal family? What's the scientific basis you use to
include one organism in a family and exclude another?
What about bacteria? Do you know that there's more diversity between
families of bacteria than there is between all the chordata? Are you
saying that bacteria cannot exchange genetic code if they're from
different families? What science can you present which shows that a
bacterial species from one family evolving into a different family
over time?
> The Cow Family,
Are sheep in the cow family? What about bison? What about
gazelles? How can you tell how to include one and exclude another?
> The Pig Family
Are pigs related to the porcula? If not, why not? If so, why?
> The Adams Family. Your silly unscientific theory,
How can it be unscientific when it's bolstered by 150 years of solid
science, much of which has been supplied by people who worship the
same god you worship? Are they atheists? Are your fellow Christians
liars, frauds, and cheats? Why isn't *that* controversy being
publicized by creationists?
> has a Cow turning into a Whale
Where does the Theory of Evolution say that? You made the
statement. You must support it, because if you can't, you'd be
bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> and a one celled Amoeba eventually
> turning into a 206 bone / 600 muscle Human Being with an alleged
> 'accidental' Brain that is the most complicated complex thing known
> to Man.
Where does the theory of Evolution state that an amoeba evolved into
humans? You made the statement. You must support it, because if you
can't, you'd be bearing false witness, wouldn't you?
> Not even YOU really believe in this desperate imagination
No I don't *believe* - I *know* it's a fact based on the freely
available evidence, and I know for a fact that the best explanation
for the fact of evolution is the fully-supported scientific Theory of
Evolution. There's no belief invovled at all, only demonstrable,
testable science,
Why doesn't creation have any of that? I mean if creation had science
you'd be boasting about it all over Usenet instead of whining about
the overwhelmingly massive amount of evidence that there is for
evolution wouldn't you now?
> all so you can jettison God our wonderful personal and loving Creator
> whom your knee shall bow to one day soon. As all of us will .
Your god is fake until and unless you prove it isn't, and even if you
did prove that it isn't a fairy tale, your god will not let me in
since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Where's the infinite mercy now?
I'm banned from heaven, so you're wasting your time, and guess what?
even if it were proven beyond all shadow of a doubt that there is a
heaven, I reject it and your god because the very last place I want to
spend eternity is with people like you.
Ralph
No one is going Andrew, there is nowhere to go!
Zacharias Mulletstein
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in message
news:WJudnVQnCphJ6SnR...@earthlink.com...
> "Budikka666" wrote in message
> news:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>
> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
> One who loves you.
You can't reverse the ban. Once you've blasphemed against the Holy Ghost,
nothing you can do will get you in. Not even tithing. Budika is a fox
Christian and is doomed to burn forever.
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
>>We note that the morontheist openly admits to NOT follow what's written in
>>its cult's "scripture". As the content of said "scripture" is supposedly
>>the revealed word of its cult's idol, it follows that the morontheist
>>openly admits "I care a rat's arse about what my idol tells me to do or
>>not to do".
> "I don't care a rat's arse" would be a bit more accurate.
> What you said is that he really cares, but his actions indicate
> otherwise.
Well I admit I may have been a bit too kind, by chance. Oh well. Live and
learn, they say. :)
Father Haskell
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>
> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
> One who loves you.
Telly Savalas?
Yap
All the information are also against religious insanity.
There is no stupid god in this universe.
Yap
> in school, and at home. And, if you'd been given the opportunity to
> grow up, and discern for yourself, which you weren't,
> obviously.....you could have figured it all out for yourself, without
> all the linki-ness. How sad. Hasn't a thing to do with anyone
> other than you. Lots of thought matter. If you were an adult, you
> you could see that all the links are just reading material... all the
> stuff has been.seen before. Since you are, obviously, not a grown-
> up....you would not know that. And that hasn't a thing to do with
> anyone other than you.
All her information have a lot to do with why many human brains are
playing tricks and cannot think straight, in the world of religion,
that is.
Yap
There is no stupid creator in this universe, as had been pointed out
in all the links.
Apparently, her links failed to drop on your exceptionally thick skull
which is perhaps 100 x thicker than atheists.
>
> Andrew
Yap
But but,. the loon like him doesn't know it.
He has his indoctrination firmly planted, and he is therefore a coward.
Yap
<z...@mightbewrongthistime.com> wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote in message
Is there a fire place somewhere?
Do they use wood, or diesel to burn?
Andrew
There is vastly more to our Universe than this little
world. God has offered an endless future for those
who are interested.
Doc Smartass
news:721c33a3-704d-49b5...@f25g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
> On Oct 12, 5:17 pm, Doc Smartass <gek...@astroboyskivviesmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote
>> innews:WJudnVQnCphJ6SnRnZ2dnUVZ_
> oSd...@earthlink.com:
>>
>> > "Budikka666" wrote in message
>> >news:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.co
>> >m.
>> > ..
>>
>> >> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> >> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> > Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>> > so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>> > One who loves you.
>>
>> By the power vested in me, given by me to me, I hereby unban Budikka,
>> and declare it irrevocable.
>>
>> How do you like them apples, bitch?
>
> You're such a god! Now if you just arrange whirled peas, I'd be in
> Heaven!
Done. It's pretty cool being more powerful than Andy's imaginary
skybuddy.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling aa # 1939
Doc Smartass
news:zZ6dnX3qWaLBqyjR...@earthlink.com:
That sounds too much like a sales pitch.
Don't nobody sign nothin'! He's sellin' "time-share" condos!
Virgil
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
> There is vastly more to our Universe than this little
> world.
Which makes one wonder why any god would have gone to so much trouble
just for us.
Devils Advocaat
> "Devils Advocaat" wrote in messagenews:8ca2894e-c1e5-47a7...@t20g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
> >> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> >> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>
> >> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> >> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
> >> One who loves you.
>
> >> Andrew
>
>
> > Matthew 12:31-32
>
> > "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men,
> > but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever
> > shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him;
> > but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be
> > forgiven him, either in this age, or in the {age} to come."
>
> > Mark 3:28-30
>
> > "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and
> > whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the
> > Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
> > because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."
>
> > Luke 12:10
>
> > 10 "And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it
> > shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit,
> > it shall not be forgiven him.
>
> Is this why you're not going either?
Just because I don't accept your view of the world or your
interpretation of matters religious doesn't make me a blasphemer
Andrew.
Michael Gray
wrote:
>On Oct 12, 9:46οΏ½am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>> so you can get in? οΏ½There you may meet your Creator, the
>> One who loves you.
>>
>> Andrew
>
>Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
There is no such place, so: no.
--
Maleficat quae malum celat
Michael Gray
wrote:
>"Prophet" wrote in message news:cc94f99f-bddf-4c91...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>
>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> Would you like us to see if we can get this "ban" revoked,
>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>> One who loves you.
>>
>> Andrew
>-
>- Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
>-
>- what a thought THAT is.
>
>It would be a powerful demonstration of
>the greatness of God's
Hold it there, you 3 mental 3 year old.
Demonstrate that this genocidal fictional sky-daddy exists, and we can
talk.
Michael Gray
Yep.
Andrew is the type-sample of a brain-on-faith.
Michael Gray
Minerva is wise.
Michael Gray
wrote:
>On 13 Okt, 07:56, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
><z...@mightbewrongthistime.com> wrote:
>> "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:WJudnVQnCphJ6SnR...@earthlink.com...
>>
>> > "Budikka666" wrote in message
>> >news:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> >> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> > Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>> > so you can get in? οΏ½There you may meet your Creator, the
>> > One who loves you.
>>
>> You can't reverse the ban. οΏ½Once you've blasphemed against the Holy Ghost,
>> nothing you can do will get you in. οΏ½Not even tithing. οΏ½Budika is a fox
>> Christian and is doomed to burn forever.
>
>Is there a fire place somewhere?
>Do they use wood, or diesel to burn?
Compressed Watchtowers.
Andrew
> "Andrew" wrote:
The question was meant to ask why you're not going, or the reason
why you don't want to go. Budikka gave us her reason; what is your
reason?
And thanks for the above references where it states that "all sins shall
be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter....."
Therefore if you had been a blasphemer or some other sinner, that in
itself does not mean you would not go. Or, perhaps you do not -want-
to go because the intelligences there are all creationists who worship
the wonderful Creator who made all things.
Andrew
Andrew
> "Andrew" wrote:
>>"Prophet" wrote:
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>
>>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>
>>> Would you like us to see if we can get this "ban" revoked,
>>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>>> One who loves you.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>-
>>- Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
>>-
>>- what a thought THAT is.
>>
>>It would be a powerful demonstration of
>>the greatness of God's
>
> Hold it there, you 3 mental 3 year old.
> Demonstrate that this genocidal fictional sky-daddy exists, and we can
> talk.
Do you really want to learn about the God who made heavens and the earth?
Andrew
> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven...
>
> Budikka
May Budikka's lamentation above be a warning to us all,
not to follow in her steps and thus also share in her final
destiny.
~~~
Les Hellawell
wrote:
>"Prophet" wrote in message news:cc94f99f-bddf-4c91...@l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>
>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> Would you like us to see if we can get this "ban" revoked,
>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>> One who loves you.
>>
>> Andrew
>-
>- Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
I cannot imagine anybody in 'heaven'. It is too ridulous a
notion for that.
>- what a thought THAT is.
One that only the likes of you can dream up!
LOL
>It would be a powerful demonstration of
>the greatness of God's mercy and love.
Or of the bunch of idiots that dreamed up this
notion in the first place.
>
>Just like Saul, the hater of Christians
>was converted to be Paul the apostle.
>
>Budikka could also be converted to be
>a great apostle of the truth of creation.
>
>It may seem impossible, but with God
>all things are possible.
Except it even seems incapable of communicating
with us and needs a bunch of idiots to help it.
Maybes it's the bunch of idiots that is trying
to communicate their puny fantasies and there is no
god? I do not even need to imagine that when that
is clearly exactly what you are doing.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE, The White Rose County
Andrew
> "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>> There is vastly more to our Universe than this little
>> world.
>
> Which makes one wonder why any god would have
> gone to so much trouble just for us.
What is going on here has to do with the war
that started in heaven long ago, but we are
nearing the end.
Andrew
Does this mean that you're interested?
Endless life with greatly increased powers.
No more pain, sickness, suffering or death.
Andrew
> Prophet wrote:
>>"Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>
>>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>>> One who loves you.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>
>>Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
>
> There is no such place, so: no.
Have you been everywhere in the
universe that you would know that
to be a fact? No.
Les Hellawell
wrote:
Hey-ho yet another classic assertion.
Made with confidence it is true not just a belief.
No attempt made to justify it.
No evidence of any kind presented to justify even a belief it is so.
An assumption that we will accept it just on his say-so,
therefore totally arrogant.
It can only automatically defaults to worthless baby babble.
Have they nothing more to offer than this babble?
I shall not waste any more of my time with this fop.
Mike Jones
> On Oct 12, 9:46 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>> "Budikka666" wrote in
>> messagenews:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1-
a240-92c...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>
>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked, so you can
>> get in?
>
> You really are the most stupid fuckless dick on Usenet. How many times
> have I personally told you directly that the last place I want to spend
> eternity is with LYING cowardly, hypocritical, vacuous jerkwad assholes
> like you creationist scum?
>
> What's it going going to take to get that, or ANYTHING through your
> pigshit skull, you lame-brained fuck?
>
> Go fuck yourself and your god.
>
> Does ***THAT*** clarify things for you you brain-dead waste of DNA?
>
> Budikka
If you're hoping for progress with "living-the-lunacy" guys like Andrew,
you're going to need to be a tad more assertive than this to get your
point across. %)
--
*=( http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
*=( For all your UK news needs.
Mike Jones
> "Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:6b5d4eb2-e566-43dc-90fb-
af79e7...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Where's
>> the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven...
>>
>> Budikka
>
> May Budikka's lamentation above be a warning to us all, not to follow in
> her steps and thus also share in her final destiny.
>
> ~~~
There is fuckwittery, then there is insanity, then there is a zone far
beyond that where even heavy medication cannot make a difference. Then
there is a point at which the broken mind actually folds back around on
itself, clinging desperately to some fantastic illusion, with a grip that
cannot be broken without completely wrecking what mind is left, and basic
functions are restored, giving the outward impression of competance.
Thats where you are Andrew. So fucked up you think its an /achievment/.
Whatever it was, it must have been a real doozy of a trauma to fling you
so far up that pipe you ended up like you are. I could almost pity you.
Michael Gray
wrote:
Fell at the first hurdle.
Which is:
Demonstrate that this genocidal fictional sky-daddy exists
Michael Gray
wrote:
I take it then that you HAVE been to such a place, and can demostrate
that it exists? No.
Heaven does not exist, or you god-bots would be rubbing it in sane
folk's faces.
Doc Smartass
news:p5ydncpHHrHAFSjR...@earthlink.com:
Nope.
> Endless life with greatly increased powers.
Life is endless enough without that imaginary stuff.
> No more pain, sickness, suffering or death.
You just described "death."
Michael Gray
wrote:
>"Doc Smartass" <gek...@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9E0FF24A7831...@216.196.121.131...
:
>> Don't nobody sign nothin'! He's sellin' "time-share" condos!
>
>Does this mean that you're interested?
>
>Endless life with greatly increased powers.
>
>No more pain, sickness, suffering or death.
Scientology?
DanielSan
Have you? No.
So, how do you know?
--
DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226
-------------------------------------------
EAC Warden - Occam Asylum
-------------------------------------------
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye
of reason: The Morning Daylight appears
plainer when you put out your Candle."
--Benjamin Franklin, 1758
-------------------------------------------
DanielSan
So, no more humanity. Hell, no, I won't go!
thomas p.
news:pan.2010.10...@dasteem.invalid...
If he wasn't such a dishonest and smug little rodent, so could I.
Doc Smartass
news:0rCdnU4DT8aQGSjR...@earthlink.com:
I un-banned Budikka. I'm banning you, instead. May Andrews's lamentation
be a warning to all religidiots, not to follow in his footsteps and thus
also share in his final destiny of not going to heaven.
You wanna go, you talk to ME, now. Since it's all imaginary horseshit, my
word's as good as any.
Devils Advocaat
> "Devils Advocaat" wrote in messagenews:25e54cdc-a100-4432...@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
Perhaps you need to learn to express yourself more accurately Andrew.
Your question suggests that I am a blasphemer.
If you had actually meant what you said you meant your question would
have been worded completely differently.
> Budikka gave us her reason; what is your
> reason?
>
> And thanks for the above references where it states that "all sins shall
> be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter....."
Funny how you totally ignore the parts which say anyone who blasphemes
against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
>
> Therefore if you had been a blasphemer or some other sinner, that in
> itself does not mean you would not go.
My, but you are ignorant of the words of your Bible, aren't you
Andrew.
Blasphemers of the Holy Spirit are never forgiven.
Ergo they cannot enter heaven.
> Or, perhaps you do not -want-
> to go because the intelligences there are all creationists who worship
> the wonderful Creator who made all things.
Are you really serious? Many of those who adhere to creationism in
these newsgroups rarely exhibit anything resembling intelligence.
>
> Andrew
duke
wrote:
>"Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:6b5d4eb2-e566-43dc...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
That's right. Her blasphemy is her declaration that she doesn't want in,
and so God gives her what she wishes for.
The dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Velociraptor
wrote:
>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
That is perfectly OK.
I though from the subject line that there was some real place you had
been banned from!
Keep up the good fight:)
>Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>so you can get in?
Typical priest.
First, they make you unhappy.
Then, they sell you cure.
(Which does not work right away, so you stay a customer)
--
velociraptor_nice_reptile @NO_SPAM yahoo.co.uk
Christopher A. Lee
Not even a typical priest.
Just a deliberately stupid, in-your-face asshole.
Velociraptor
wrote:
>"Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:6b5d4eb2-e566-43dc...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
That is truly a fate worse than death. She will have to petition the
priestly folk now. There is no scientist or engineer alive who can get
her into a place that does not exist.
--
velociraptor_nice_reptile @NO_SPAM yahoo.co.uk
Velociraptor
wrote:
>"Michael Gray" wrote in message news:1puab69v0g6com9m3...@4ax.com...
Isn't your Heaven outside the universe?
--
velociraptor_nice_reptile @NO_SPAM yahoo.co.uk
Velociraptor
I suppose if he were successful at conning lots of people he would not
have time to spend on Usenet.
--
velociraptor_nice_reptile @NO_SPAM yahoo.co.uk
Devils Advocaat
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 18:42:23 +0100, Velociraptor
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:46:39 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >>"Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:601cf9ac-72b9-47f1...@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
> >>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>
> >That is perfectly OK.
> >I though from the subject line that there was some real place you had
> >been banned from!
> >Keep up the good fight:)
>
> >>Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> >>so you can get in?
>
> >Typical priest.
> >First, they make you unhappy.
> >Then, they sell you cure.
> >(Which does not work right away, so you stay a customer)
>
> Not even a typical priest.
>
> Just a deliberately stupid, in-your-face asshole.
I happen to know some assholes that would object to that comparison as
they are known to be very useful indeed. :P
Velociraptor
thomas p.
news:Xns9E10582EEE9F...@216.196.121.131...
> "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
> news:0rCdnU4DT8aQGSjR...@earthlink.com:
>
>> "Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:6b5d4eb2-e566-43dc...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com.
>> ..
>>
>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven...
>>>
>>> Budikka
>>
>> May Budikka's lamentation above be a warning to us all,
>> not to follow in her steps and thus also share in her final
>> destiny.
>
> I un-banned Budikka. I'm banning you, instead. May Andrews's lamentation
> be a warning to all religidiots, not to follow in his footsteps and thus
> also share in his final destiny of not going to heaven.
>
> You wanna go, you talk to ME, now. Since it's all imaginary horseshit, my
> word's as good as any.
Your word is better; I have the testimony of an angel, he says Andrew's only
chance is your personal intervention.
Budikka666
> Do you really want to learn about the God who made heavens and the earth?
Why are you asking now? How many times have we asked you and your ilk
to provide proof of this fake god only to see you RUN AWAY and make
excuses as to why you *can't* witness for your fictional god?
You've already proven beyond any reasonable doubt there is no god!
But if you want to prove it some more, go ahead and run from this
challenge one more time:
Please provide *positive* *scientific* evidence for which the only
explanation is a divine creator OR, when you fail to do that, please
provide *positive* *objective* evidence for which the only explanation
is a divine creator, OR, when you fail to do that, please provide an
*intelligent* *rationale* which demonstrates a divine creator AND when
you fail to do that, you'll once again have proven how utterly
worthless you truly are.
Thanks ever-so for your cooperation in my demonstrating what a
vacuous, hypocritical, dishonest coward you are.
Budikka
Syd M.
> "Virgil" wrote in messagenews:Virgil-5D1720....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
>
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>
> >> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
> >> One who loves you.
>
> >> Andrew
>
> > (1) There is one, and only one, god, and
> > (2) That that god does love her, and
> > (3) There is a heaven, and
> > (4) That god can get her into that heaven, and
> > (5) She would prefer that heaven to whatever alternatives are available.
>
> She knows there is a God.
Your mental powers are on the blink, I see.
PDW
Christopher A. Lee
<budi...@netscape.net> wrote:
>On Oct 13, 5:02�am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
>> Do you really want to learn about the God who made heavens and the earth?
>
>Why are you asking now? How many times have we asked you and your ilk
>to provide proof of this fake god only to see you RUN AWAY and make
>excuses as to why you *can't* witness for your fictional god?
I've never understood why they call it "witnessing".
The word means seeing something.
So a courtroom witness describes what they saw.
Or somebody witnessing a signature, certifies that they saw the
document being signed
Doc Smartass
news:4cb604a6$0$36559$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk:
> "Doc Smartass" <gek...@astroboyskivviesmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:Xns9E10582EEE9F...@216.196.121.131...
>> "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote in
>> news:0rCdnU4DT8aQGSjR...@earthlink.com:
>>
>>> "Budikka666" <budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>> news:6b5d4eb2-e566-43dc...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.co
>>> m. ..
>>>
>>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven...
>>>>
>>>> Budikka
>>>
>>> May Budikka's lamentation above be a warning to us all,
>>> not to follow in her steps and thus also share in her final
>>> destiny.
>>
>> I un-banned Budikka. I'm banning you, instead. May Andrews's
>> lamentation be a warning to all religidiots, not to follow in his
>> footsteps and thus also share in his final destiny of not going to
>> heaven.
>>
>> You wanna go, you talk to ME, now. Since it's all imaginary
>> horseshit, my word's as good as any.
>
> Your word is better; I have the testimony of an angel, he says
> Andrew's only chance is your personal intervention.
Andrew's fucked, then, unless I start getting a 10% tithe. Also, I'm in
the mood for a good steak dinner.
Andrew
> "Andrew" wrote:
>>"Michael Gray" wrote:
>>> Prophet wrote:
>>>>"Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>> > your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>>>> > Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>>>>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>>>>> One who loves you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
>>>
>>> There is no such place, so: no.
>>
>>Have you been everywhere in the
>>universe that you would know that
>>to be a fact? No.
>
> Isn't your Heaven outside the universe?
No.
Ralph
Since you can give such a definitive answer to that question, perhaps
you can answer this one. Where is heaven?
Ralph
> "Michael Gray" wrote in message news:1puab69v0g6com9m3...@4ax.com...
>> Prophet wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>>
>>>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>>>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>>>> One who loves you.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> Can you imagine Budikka in heaven?
>>
>> There is no such place, so: no.
>
> Have you been everywhere in the
> universe that you would know that
> to be a fact? No.
Based on the current physical evidence I would say that we don't need to
have been everywhere in the universe, we only have to show that your
bible, and thus your god is a fable.
Ralph
> "Devils Advocaat" wrote in message news:25e54cdc-a100-4432...@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Devils Advocaat" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>
>>>>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>>>>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>>>>> One who loves you.
>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>> Matthew 12:31-32
>>>
>>>> "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men,
>>>> but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever
>>>> shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him;
>>>> but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be
>>>> forgiven him, either in this age, or in the {age} to come."
>>>
>>>> Mark 3:28-30
>>>
>>>> "Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and
>>>> whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the
>>>> Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"--
>>>> because they were saying, "He has an unclean spirit."
>>>
>>>> Luke 12:10
>>>
>>>> 10 "And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it
>>>> shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit,
>>>> it shall not be forgiven him.
>>>
>>> Is this why you're not going either?
>>
>> Just because I don't accept your view of the world or your
>> interpretation of matters religious doesn't make me a blasphemer
>> Andrew.
>
> The question was meant to ask why you're not going, or the reason
> reason?
>
> And thanks for the above references where it states that "all sins shall
> be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter....."
>
> to go because the intelligences there are all creationists who worship
> the wonderful Creator who made all things.
It would be hell to spend an eternity with ignorant creationist fools!
Ralph
> "Ralph"<mmma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:l5WdnW-t1L9lcCnR...@giganews.com...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Virgil" wrote in message news:Virgil-5D1720....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
>>>>
>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> your god will not let me in since I blasphemed the Holy Spirit.
>>>>>> Where's the infinite mercy now? I'm banned from heaven,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would you like us to see if we can get theis "ban" revoked,
>>>>> so you can get in? There you may meet your Creator, the
>>>>> One who loves you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> (1) There is one, and only one, god, and
>>>> (2) That that god does love her, and
>>>> (3) There is a heaven, and
>>>> (4) That god can get her into that heaven, and
>>>> (5) She would prefer that heaven to whatever alternatives are available.
>>>
>>>
>>> have blasphemed the Holy Spirit who is a member of
>>> the Godhead.
>>>
>>> She knows there is a heaven, Otherwise she would
>>> not be lamenting the fact that she has been banned.
>>>
>>> How about you, are you going?
>>>
>>
>> No one is going Andrew, there is nowhere to go!
>
> There is vastly more to our Universe than this little
> world. God has offered an endless future for those
> who are interested.
Just who in the hell would want to live forever?? Just how stupid are
you anyway? Do you have any idea of the concept of eternity or do you
just mouth the party line?
Ralph
>> news:zZ6dnX3qWaLBqyjR...@earthlink.com:
>>
>> Don't nobody sign nothin'! He's sellin' "time-share" condos!
>
> Does this mean that you're interested?
>
> Endless life with greatly increased powers.
>
> No more pain, sickness, suffering or death.
Afraid of death, Andrew? I usually find that creationists are afraid of
the concept of death, thus they want to live forever. Please explain the
concept of 'forever' for me Andrew.
Death is just a long sleep Andrew, deal with reality.
Ralph
>> "Andrew"<andrew....@usa.net> wrote:
>
>>> There is vastly more to our Universe than this little
>>> world.
>>
>> gone to so much trouble just for us.
>
> What is going on here has to do with the war
> that started in heaven long ago, but we are
> nearing the end.
Ah yes, we are in the 'end times'. Ever read the bible Andrew? We were
in the end times 2,000 years ago. What happened?
Ralph
> "Budikka666"<budi...@netscape.net> wrote in message news:6b5d4eb2-e566-43dc...@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Budikka
>
> May Budikka's lamentation above be a warning to us all,
> not to follow in her steps and thus also share in her final
> destiny.
I really had a bellyful of god's warnings a long time ago. I decided I
would wait until god himself spoke to me. Guess what Andrew, I haven't
heard him yet.