Faith in Atheistic Philosophy. Is it so smart?
Christ's Love
God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
__________
|xx |
| |
|_________|
Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
Let me be clear. I am talking about a God who created the Universe,
and who one day calls all people to account for the choices they have
made. I have yet to see a logical reason why such a God cannot exist.
Also, we are not talking about some kind of totally ridiculous
hypothesis which cannot be disproven. It seems very natural to suppose
that all the design and beauty in the Universe is not the product of
randomness, time, chance, matter and energy - but rather the handiwork
of an Intelligent Designer.
You might wish to be an agnostic, but I hope you can see from this
simple illustration that the dogmatic position of atheism is
intellectual arrogance and foolishness of the highest order.
I am not claiming in any way in the text above to have proved that God
exists, only that you can't be sure He doesn't.
Responses from some atheists
More detailed arguments for God's existence
It is argued that if God is omnipresent, you should be able to find
Him anywhere. But consider this. Right now, radio and TV waves are all
around you. But if you go looking for them unaided by the right gear,
you will see and hear nothing. We believe in the existence of lots of
things we can't see. Have you ever seen your brain? Have you seen an
atom? Do you believe these things exist?
In the same way, the fact that you cannot find God in your kitchen,
for example, does not prove He is not there. There is a possibility
that you are BLIND. Blind spiritually, that is.
God cannot be seen directly by sinful men, although at times even
sinners might have a vision of Christ in which they see Him (but not
in ALL his glory). But just like radio waves can be known to be
present through a working radio receiver, so God can be known to exist
through the effects he causes in nature, in history, and in our own
hearts and lives. Divine healing is one evidence of the reality of a
God who cares. And it is happening all the time.
Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
A man who is spiritually dead is often like a broken radio receiver.
Many time he can't sense God, he can't hear God's voice so he may
conclude that God does not exist. That would be a conclusion based on
ignorance, not knowledge.
If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
to its reality?
It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
non-existence.
Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
contradictory.
Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
panam...@hotmail.com
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> there is no God.
No it don't. All it takes is a satellite news channel and an
earthquake.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
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Christ's Love wrote:
| Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
| God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
| For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
| "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
|
| Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
| there is no God.
|
Nope, wrong. All it takes are five little words.
You know what they are. You can't deal with them so you run.
Come on junior, convince me.
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
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Free Lunch
copied from <http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism>
and failed to provide attribution for:
>Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>
>__________
>|xx |
>| |
>|_________|
>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
>declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
>all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
>absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
What leap? The evidence fails to support your claims about God, just as
it fails to support claims about any other supernatural being, from
Santa and the Tooth Fairy to all of the other gods that have ever been
posited.
>Let me be clear. I am talking about a God who created the Universe,
>and who one day calls all people to account for the choices they have
>made. I have yet to see a logical reason why such a God cannot exist.
Because there is absolutely no shred of evidence that such a God exists.
>Also, we are not talking about some kind of totally ridiculous
>hypothesis which cannot be disproven. It seems very natural to suppose
>that all the design and beauty in the Universe is not the product of
>randomness, time, chance, matter and energy - but rather the handiwork
>of an Intelligent Designer.
Yet the universe is completely unable to support your claim. It provides
no evidence that there was a designer.
>You might wish to be an agnostic, but I hope you can see from this
>simple illustration that the dogmatic position of atheism is
>intellectual arrogance and foolishness of the highest order.
No, you haven't shown that at all. You've made a claim that you support
by ignoring the weakness of your argument. You have no evidence at all
to back it up.
>I am not claiming in any way in the text above to have proved that God
>exists, only that you can't be sure He doesn't.
I don't claim to be sure that there are no gods. I only claim that the
lack of evidence shows that your God is indistinguishable from nothing.
The hyperlinks were cut in the following two lines:
>Responses from some atheists
<http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/atheists_comment>
>More detailed arguments for God's existence
a waste of time.
>It is argued that if God is omnipresent, you should be able to find
>Him anywhere. But consider this. Right now, radio and TV waves are all
>around you. But if you go looking for them unaided by the right gear,
>you will see and hear nothing. We believe in the existence of lots of
>things we can't see. Have you ever seen your brain? Have you seen an
>atom? Do you believe these things exist?
It has long been a tradition to make excuses for the fact that your God
is indistinguishable from nothing.
>In the same way, the fact that you cannot find God in your kitchen,
>for example, does not prove He is not there. There is a possibility
>that you are BLIND. Blind spiritually, that is.
Another vague claim that is indistinguishable from nothing.
>God cannot be seen directly by sinful men, although at times even
>sinners might have a vision of Christ in which they see Him (but not
>in ALL his glory). But just like radio waves can be known to be
>present through a working radio receiver, so God can be known to exist
>through the effects he causes in nature, in history, and in our own
>hearts and lives. Divine healing is one evidence of the reality of a
>God who cares. And it is happening all the time.
Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
to offer any.
>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
So an old book claims. No evidence supports that.
>A man who is spiritually dead is often like a broken radio receiver.
>Many time he can't sense God, he can't hear God's voice so he may
>conclude that God does not exist. That would be a conclusion based on
>ignorance, not knowledge.
Either your God doesn't exist or He is a no class jerk who plays around
with people like a cat with a mouse. Christian doctrine rejects the
second option and believers cannot disprove the first.
>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
>to its reality?
Failed analogy.
>It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
>logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
>non-existence.
And every well-defined God fails. Only by playing games with the
definition of God during the discussion does God manage not to be
logically impossible.
>Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
>mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
>understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
>the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
>exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
>contradictory.
Are you saying that the murderous God of the Old Testament exists?
>Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
So, you don't actually
Christ's Love
wrote:
>On May 16, 6:45 pm, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>>
>> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>> there is no God.
>
>No it don't. All it takes is a satellite news channel and an
>earthquake.
>
and a warped little atheist mind that can't think.
Christ's Love
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>Christ's Love wrote:
>| Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>| God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>| For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>| "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>|
>| Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>| there is no God.
>|
>Nope, wrong. All it takes are five little words.
>
>You know what they are. You can't deal with them so you run.
>
>Come on junior, convince me.
Nobody is running from you, idiot. Only in your warped wet dreams.
Christ's Love
wrote:
>On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:45:40 GMT, Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com>
>copied from <http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism>
>and failed to provide attribution for:
>
>>Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>>
>>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
>>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
>>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>>
>>__________
>>|xx |
>>| |
>>|_________|
>>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
>>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
>>declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
>>all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
>>absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
>
>What leap? The evidence fails to support your claims about God, just as
On the contrary, all the evidence supports the truth of God. Haven't
you ever looked around you?
>
>Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
>to offer any.
>
Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
>>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
>>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
>>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
>
>>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
>>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
>>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
>>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
>>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
>>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
>>to its reality?
>
>Failed analogy.
>
Only to tiny little warped minds like yours. I pity you.
>>It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
>>logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
>>non-existence.
>
>>Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
>>mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
>>understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
>>the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
>>exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
>>contradictory.
>
>Are you saying that the murderous God of the Old Testament exists?
>
God was never murderous, moron.
Davej
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
So God shows up tomorrow and tells you to kill your family or to go
kill all the heretics. How are you going to know you haven't simply
gone insane or been exposed to LSD or been manipulated by an orbiting
alien from another planet?
Pink Freud
"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
<snip bullshit>
Weak-minded cowardly fool.
Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
>
> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of
> you!
If you're going to have a sig, at least check it for grammar, idiot.
Cary Kittrell
So Moses was winging it on his own when he became furious at
his people for having some mercy and failing to kill all those
whose land they were appropriating? He, you may remember,
ordered them to go back and finish the job, killing every
man, woman, and babe.
Except, of course, for very young virgins.
-- cary
Free Lunch
wrote:
Yes, I have looked around. I see no evidence for any gods. Why do you
claim there is when you cannot point to any? Your totally meaningless
claim that everything is evidence for gods is an attempt to avoid the
problem you have.
>>Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
>>to offer any.
>
>Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
>world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
>even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Paul was wrong.
>>>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
>>>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
>>>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
>>>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
>>
>>>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
>>>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
>>>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
>>>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
>>>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
>>>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
>>>to its reality?
>>
>>Failed analogy.
>
>Only to tiny little warped minds like yours. I pity you.
You have nothing but insults to offer.
>>>It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
>>>logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
>>>non-existence.
>>
>>>Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
>>>mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
>>>understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
>>>the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
>>>exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
>>>contradictory.
>>
>>Are you saying that the murderous God of the Old Testament exists?
>>
>
>God was never murderous, moron.
I agree, but only because there is no reason to accept any of the claims
of the Old Testament. The Old Testament, however, tells us that God was
responsible for executing, murdering, everyone but 8 people on earth. It
is your doctrine that God is murderous. I don't believe any of your
doctrines about God, so I don't believe that one either.
Christ's Love
I know the chapter you're talking about and your distorting it's
truth, liar.
Christ's Love
wrote:
Try this one on for size: "To suppose that the eye [...] could have
been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in
the highest degree."
Do you know who said that?
>>>Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
>>>to offer any.
>>
>>Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
>>world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
>>even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>
>Paul was wrong.
>
Of course you think that. 1Cor.1. For the preaching of the cross is to
them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the
power of God.
>>>>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
>>>>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
>>>>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
>>>>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
>>>
>>>>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
>>>>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
>>>>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
>>>>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
>>>>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
>>>>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
>>>>to its reality?
>>>
>>>Failed analogy.
>>
>>Only to tiny little warped minds like yours. I pity you.
>
>You have nothing but insults to offer.
>
Not insults but facts. Not nothing but science.
Christ's Love
wrote:
>
>
>"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
>> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>
><snip bullshit>
>
>Weak-minded cowardly fool.
>
>Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
>
Uh, maybe because God is for me so who can be against me?
Idiot.
Pink Freud
"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f7cs2492o0ublq2es...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:37:30 GMT, "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
>>> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>>
>><snip bullshit>
>>
>>Weak-minded cowardly fool.
>>
>>Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
>>
>
> Uh, maybe because God is for me so who can be against me?
>
So you are happy to pay the imaginary omnipotent mafia boss his protection
money.
Sounds pretty cowardly to me.
Fred Stone
Why do you liars always leave off the rest of that quote from Darwin?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part8.html
"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of Spherical and chromatic
aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the
sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind
declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei
["the voice of the people = the voice of God "], as every philosopher
knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous
gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can
be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is
certain the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be
inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations
should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then
the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be
formed by natural selection, should not be considered as subversive of
the theory."
Darwin then went on to describe how some simple animals have only
"aggregates of pigment-cells...without any nerves ... [which] serve only
to distinguish light from darkness." Then, in animals a bit more complex,
like "star-fish," there exist "small depressions in the layer of [light-
sensitive cells] -- depressions which are "filled ... with transparent
gelatinous matter and have a clear outer covering, "like the cornea in
the higher animals." These eyes lack a lens, but the fact that the light
sensitive pigment lies in a "depression" in the skin makes it possible
for the animal to tell more precisely from what direction the light is
coming. And the more cup-shaped the depression, the better it helps
"focus" the image like a simple "box-camera" may do, even without a lens.
Likewise in the human embryo, the eye is formed from a "sack-like fold in
the skin."
George Gaylord Simpson in The Meaning of Evolution, points out that the
different species of modern snail have every intermediate form of eye
from a light-sensitive spot to a full lens-and-retina eye.
...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Politics is the business of getting power and privilege without
possessing merit"—P J O'Rourke
Free Lunch
wrote:
Do you know that anti-science folks trot it out routinely in a manner
that misrepresents what Darwin said? Do you know that the entire quote
shows that you are being dishonest by using only a snippet of it?
"To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for
adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different
amounts of light, and for the correction of Spherical and chromatic
aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely
confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the
sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind
declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei
["the voice of the people = the voice of God "], as every philosopher
knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous
gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect
can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is
certain the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be
inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations
should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then
the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be
formed by natural selection, should not be considered as subversive of
the theory."
I have no expectation that you will apologize for offering this
dishonest partial quote. You have demonstrated that you worship the lies
you tell.
>>>>Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
>>>>to offer any.
>>>
>>>Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
>>>world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
>>>even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>>
>>Paul was wrong.
>>
>
>Of course you think that. 1Cor.1. For the preaching of the cross is to
>them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the
>power of God.
Show me some evidence. Why should anyone believe any of Paul's claims?
>>>>>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
>>>>>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
>>>>>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
>>>>>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
>>>>
>>>>>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
>>>>>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
>>>>>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
>>>>>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
>>>>>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
>>>>>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
>>>>>to its reality?
>>>>
>>>>Failed analogy.
>>>
>>>Only to tiny little warped minds like yours. I pity you.
>>
>>You have nothing but insults to offer.
>>
>
>Not insults but facts. Not nothing but science.
You lie.
Free Lunch
wrote:
>On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:37:30 GMT, "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
>>> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>>
>><snip bullshit>
>>
>>Weak-minded cowardly fool.
>>
>>Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
>>
>
>Uh, maybe because God is for me so who can be against me?
You have no evidence at all that God is for you. Remember that you call
Him a trickster, a liar, every time you post against evolution.
Fred Stone
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:37:30 GMT, "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
>>> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>>
>><snip bullshit>
>>
>>Weak-minded cowardly fool.
>>
>>Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
>>
>>
> Uh, maybe because God is for me so who can be against me?
>
Does your God appreciate your lies?
Cary Kittrell
In that case kindly enlighten me as to the undistorted truth.
Here, if you would be so kind:
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
I do.
What I do not know is why you purposefully omit what he said immediately
following that sentence.
Kindly explain:
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
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| <ktay...@getnet.net> wrote:
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|> Christ's Love wrote:
|> | Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
|> | God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
|> | For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
|> | "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
|> |
|> | Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
|> | there is no God.
|> |
|> Nope, wrong. All it takes are five little words.
|>
|> You know what they are. You can't deal with them so you run.
|>
|> Come on junior, convince me.
|
| Nobody is running from you, idiot. Only in your warped wet dreams.
|
Which is why you can not even attempt to counter those five little words.
You're running away. So much for your testimony of faith. Not much
faith if you can't even deal with five words.
And gee, all you have to do is get me to drop one of those words, three
little letters, and I'll be just like you.
What's the matter child? Your imaginary friend left you holding the bag
again?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
~ http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
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panam...@hotmail.com
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT), panamfl...@hotmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >On May 16, 6:45 pm, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> >> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
> >> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> >> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
> >> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> >> there is no God.
>
> >No it don't. All it takes is a satellite news channel and an
> >earthquake.
>
> and a warped little atheist mind that can't think.
Just because your insipid fairy tale doesn't come to mind first (or
even second, for that matter)? Talk to the hand, moron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_gesture02.jpg
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
Cary Kittrell
Why do they think we've not seen it ... and the rest of te paragraph --
several hundred times before?
-- cary
Mark K. Bilbo
> Right now
Right now, you are totally wasting your time.
Fred Stone
They're so afraid of actually reading "The Origin of Species" that they
probably figure none of us have read it either.
Smiler
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g0lcuh$f5m$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Because he's a dishonest, pig-ignorant, lying for jesus, christian?
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
Christ's Love
<ktay...@getnet.net> wrote:
You poor deluded fool.
Christ's Love
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
I could copy and paste, but try reading for a change (if you can):
http://www.apocalipsis.org/difficulties/midianite.htm
Christ's Love
With you, probably, but not with that one soul who may listen and be
saved.
John Baker
<christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>there is no God.
Sure, Skippy. Abouth the same "leap of faith" required to assert that
there's no elephant in my bathroom. Where's your evidence that there
*is* a god, moron?
Where are you plagiarizing this crap? The author is *almost* as
clueless as you are.
Rev. Karl E. Taylor
Nope, sorry. Still not convinced.
I do not believe you.
Now, let's see if you can convince me to drop the "not" from that sentence.
Are you up to the challenge, little child?
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
~ http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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Steven Knight
<christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>God was never murderous, moron.
It speaks for itself.
Seconds?
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
squealpiggy
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:37:06 +0000 (UTC), c...@afone.as.arizona.edu
>
>
>
> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> >Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com>
>
> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:47:51 +0000 (UTC), c...@afone.as.arizona.edu
> >> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> >> >In article <979s241luiks80i4na1tgclmf9r1jas...@4ax.com> Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:52:42 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >> >> wrote:
>
Stunning. The reason for committing genocide against the moabite boys
was that they would seek vengeance when they became men? But I
thought the Lord your God was with the Israelites? Indeed that is
sort of the point. So God ordered the murder of children because they
might rise up later even though He could prevent them from doing so?
DanielSan
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:59:07 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
>> Christ's Love wrote:
>>> Right now
>> Right now, you are totally wasting your time.
>
> With you, probably, but not with that one soul who may listen and be
> saved.
Why don't you ask God who that might be and e-mail them personally?
--
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Christ's Love
Midianite, moron.
>was that they would seek vengeance when they became men? But I
>thought the Lord your God was with the Israelites? Indeed that is
>sort of the point. So God ordered the murder of children because they
>might rise up later even though He could prevent them from doing so?
God guides us through practical measure, and yes the Midianite boys
would have been a threat to Israel.
Any other stupid questions?
Bill M
"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
> all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
> part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don't know
> absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>
> __________
> |xx |
> | |
> |_________|
> Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
> rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
> declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
> all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
> absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
>
> and who one day calls all people to account for the choices they have
> made. I have yet to see a logical reason why such a God cannot exist.
> Also, we are not talking about some kind of totally ridiculous
> hypothesis which cannot be disproven. It seems very natural to suppose
> that all the design and beauty in the Universe is not the product of
> randomness, time, chance, matter and energy - but rather the handiwork
> of an Intelligent Designer.
>
> You might wish to be an agnostic, but I hope you can see from this
> simple illustration that the dogmatic position of atheism is
> intellectual arrogance and foolishness of the highest order.
>
> I am not claiming in any way in the text above to have proved that God
> exists, only that you can't be sure He doesn't.
>
> Responses from some atheists
> More detailed arguments for God's existence
>
> It is argued that if God is omnipresent, you should be able to find
> Him anywhere. But consider this. Right now, radio and TV waves are all
> around you. But if you go looking for them unaided by the right gear,
> you will see and hear nothing. We believe in the existence of lots of
> things we can't see. Have you ever seen your brain? Have you seen an
> atom? Do you believe these things exist?
>
> In the same way, the fact that you cannot find God in your kitchen,
> for example, does not prove He is not there. There is a possibility
> that you are BLIND. Blind spiritually, that is.
>
> God cannot be seen directly by sinful men, although at times even
> sinners might have a vision of Christ in which they see Him (but not
> in ALL his glory). But just like radio waves can be known to be
> present through a working radio receiver, so God can be known to exist
> through the effects he causes in nature, in history, and in our own
> hearts and lives. Divine healing is one evidence of the reality of a
> God who cares. And it is happening all the time.
>
> Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
> not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
> a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
> will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
>
> Many time he can't sense God, he can't hear God's voice so he may
> conclude that God does not exist. That would be a conclusion based on
> ignorance, not knowledge.
>
> If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
> that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
> of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
> would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
> know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
> there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
> to its reality?
>
> logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
> non-existence.
>
> Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
> mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
> understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
> the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
> exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
> contradictory.
>
>
>
> you!
Just more imagination! Do you have ANY OBECTIVE VERFIABLE EVIDENCE THAT ANY
GOD EXISTS???
Of course you don't because there is NONE!
Why would a REAL god not show his existernce, commands and
desires to all of his creations??? Why would any REAL god permit his
creations to be misled by hundreds of false gods?
All gods are purely the creations of peoples hopes and imaginations!
Uncle Vic
wrote:
Seconded.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Separator of Church and Reason.
Convicted by Earthquack.
thomas p.
"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1gis24d7rj46gvlvr...@4ax.com...
That certainly is a convincing arguement.
>
>
> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of
> you!
It is "loves" not "love's". You must be home-schooled.
thomas p.
>
>>On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:45:40 GMT, Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com>
>>copied from <http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism>
>>and failed to provide attribution for:
>>
>>>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>>>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>>>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>>>
>>>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>>>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>>>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don't know
>>>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>>>
>>>__________
>>>|xx |
>>>| |
>>>|_________|
>>>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
>>>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
>>>declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
>>>all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
>>>absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
>>
>
> On the contrary, all the evidence supports the truth of God. Haven't
> you ever looked around you?
Just name one piece of evidence.
>
>>
>>Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
>>to offer any.
>>
>
> Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
> world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
> even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Too bad you seem to be unable to point out any evidence.
snip
thomas p.
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:58:00 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com>
>>claim there is when you cannot point to any? Your totally meaningless
>>claim that everything is evidence for gods is an attempt to avoid the
>>problem you have.
>>
>
> Try this one on for size: "To suppose that the eye [...] could have
> been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in
> the highest degree."
>
Did you know that quoting Darwin out of context is dishonest? Why did you
leave out the rest of the quote, or did you even know there was more?
snip
thomas p.
snip
>>> God was never murderous, moron.
>>
>>
>>So Moses was winging it on his own when he became furious at
>>his people for having some mercy and failing to kill all those
>>whose land they were appropriating? He, you may remember,
>>ordered them to go back and finish the job, killing every
>>man, woman, and babe.
>>
>>Except, of course, for very young virgins.
>>
>
> I know the chapter you're talking about and your distorting it's
> truth, liar.
We know that you misquoted Darwin. A liar calling somebody else a liar is
not very impressive.
>
>
> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of
> you!
Why do you lie to us then?
thomas p.
But not those Midianite boys, or, in the style of "1984", "love" has the
same meaning in the Bible as it does in the "Ministry of Love".
thomas p.
>>news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
>>> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>>
>>
>>Weak-minded cowardly fool.
>>
>>Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
>>
>
> Uh, maybe because God is for me so who can be against me?
Anybody with a sense of decency.
>
> Idiot.
panam...@hotmail.com
You need to buy a ticket on the Midianite Special and get the fuck out
of town, chowderhead.
> >was that they would seek vengeance when they became men? But I
> >thought the Lord your God was with the Israelites? Indeed that is
> >sort of the point. So God ordered the murder of children because they
> >might rise up later even though He could prevent them from doing so?
>
> God guides us through practical measure, and yes the Midianite boys
> would have been a threat to Israel.
>
> Any other stupid questions?
Yeah. Why would you think quoting other parts of your insipid comic
book would "prove" any other part of it as true? Do you realize that
to someone who does not believe in your mythology, you're doing
nothing different than insisting Captain Kirk was better than Captain
Picard because Kirk lead his own surface parties?
The odd thing about this whole conversation is that you're too stupid
to realize you've been hoodwinked. Mentioning the OT "God's"
instructions during the alleged "invasion" of Canaan is a thought
experiment designed to get borderline theists seriously thinking about
the bible's lack of moral content. In reality, the area was not
rapidly overcome by invaders, but slowly settled over hundreds of
years by tribes giving up nomadic animal husbandry for stationary
agriculture.
There was no "conquest" of modern-day Palestine by the early
Israelites. There was no wandering in the desert. Hell, if there was a
"Moses", his real life and works are lost...distorted by Judeo-
Christian mythology.
But thanks for playing. You've been a delightful contestant. As a
consolation prize, here's a copy of the home version of the
alt.atheism game show:
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
Wombat
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:58:00 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >claim there is when you cannot point to any? Your totally meaningless
> >claim that everything is evidence for gods is an attempt to avoid the
> >problem you have.
>
> Try this one on for size: "To suppose that the eye [...] could have
> been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in
> the highest degree."
>
> Do you know who said that?
Yes Charles Darwin. Your problem is that the dishonest people who
told you that ignored his next point as to how it could have happened.
You see, my young lad, Darwin used the device of setting up a question
and then answering it several times in OOS, and the liars for Jesus
ALWAYS ignore his answer.
BTW do you know the meaning of the word plagiarise, which you commited
by posting from http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism
without attribution. Naughty, naughy, little boy.
Wombat
>
> >>>Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
> >>>to offer any.
>
> >>Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
> >>world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
> >>even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>
> >Paul was wrong.
>
> Of course you think that. 1Cor.1. For the preaching of the cross is to
> them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the
> power of God.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
> >>>>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
> >>>>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
> >>>>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
>
> >>>>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
> >>>>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
> >>>>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
> >>>>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
> >>>>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
> >>>>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
> >>>>to its reality?
>
> >>>Failed analogy.
>
> >>Only to tiny little warped minds like yours. I pity you.
>
> >You have nothing but insults to offer.
>
> Not insults but facts. Not nothing but science.
snip increasingly inappropriate sig
Wombat
It is noted that you pounce on a post where someone gets the name of a
people wrong but do not have the balls to acknowledge the posts
telling you in great detail how you misquoted Darwin.
That is the height of cowardice but, sadly, SOP for your and your
dishonest ilk.
Are you sure the voice in your ear is not that of the Father of Lies,
and how do you know?
Wombat
Geoff Lane
> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> there is no God.
No. There is no need of "faith" as there is no question to answer, no
evidence that needs explaination. You only need faith in the existance of a
god because the evidence is missing. If gods existed and interacted with
this universe, faith wouldn't be required. But even for the most brain
addled bible bashers, there is this hole where they were taught god should
be. Their faith in the invisible and undetectable is just like the emperors
faith in his new clothes.
--
Pierre Laplace: The telescope sweeps the skies without finding God.
jemcd
<christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>
>__________
>|xx |
>| |
>|_________|
Assuming one is exposed to a reasonable scope of information, it takes
a considerable exercise in cognitive dissonance to believe there is a
god.
I'll arrange your ascii graphic a tad trying to explain.
_________________________________________
|[XX]| x x |
| x x x x |
| |
| xx XXX |
| |
| x |
|_________________________________________|
The [XX] represents the protected bit of knowledge I'll call belief in
god. The brackets represent the isolation that belief has from any
knowledge that refutes or disagrees with that partition. The small x
here and there is for various knowledge absorbed through schooling and
experience in the modern world. The capital Xs might be for a thorough
knowledge in a profession or career skillset, technical or craft
hobby, whatever forms a body of knowledge in some pursuit/hobby etc.
_________________________________________
|[X]xxx x xx |
|xxxx x |
| x |
|x XXX xx |
| x |
| |
|________________________________________ |
The [X] in this example is to represent an isolated and protected
region of a nonbeliever's brain, but serves a different function. This
function is a set of ideals that prevents one from believing
unbelievable things like the mythologies of gods or any extraordinary
claims requiring extraordinary evidence. In other words a scientific
sort of principles. The cluster of small x's around that could be the
basic knowledge acquired via the above set of ideals. The stuff within
that little cluster may well include what nonbelievers use to refute
claims of theists, such as information that debunks or points out
inconsistencies in theism or scripture, impossibilities or whatever.
It also evolves with new information.
Both examples depict vast areas of knowledge yet unobtained, but the
second example is far better at finding or absorbing new knowledge and
correcting old errors. "god-did-it" is not part of this mindset.
It's much simplified, but kinda makes sense doesn't it?
Lars Eighner
lovely and talented Christ's Love broadcast on alt.atheism:
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no God.
Who asserts that? And aren't you pretty confident in denying Zeus and
Krishna and Thoth?
> So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
Lots gods, lots of divine laws. What if you picked the wrong one? Is yours
the only jealous god?
> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> there is no God.
Faith has nothing to do with. Absence of evidence is what it is about.
> Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
> all the knowledge in the Universe.
Switch to a monospace font before attempting ASCII art.
> And let us further suppose that the
> part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
> absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
> __________
>|xx |
>| |
>|_________|
> Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
> rectangle
Certainly, a god could exist. Your particular god, however, can be shown to
be impossible. A round square cannot exist in the universe, either known or
unknown, and because your god has contradictory attributes, it cannot exist
either. Some other gods described by men are not supposed to have
contradictory attibutes, and of course there is no reason to think that even
if (a) god(s) did exist that human beings would know anything about it/them,
so all we can say in those cases is that there is no evidence.
> - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
> declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
> all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
> absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
I haven't seen all the squares in the universe, but I can assert with
absolute certainty that no round squares exist --- because the attributes of
a square excludes the possibility of a round square. Likewise the god
of christians, jews, and muslims is ascribed attributes which cannot
possibly coexist in one being, so we know there is no such thing.
> Let me be clear. I am talking about a God who created the Universe,
> and who one day calls all people to account for the choices they have
> made. I have yet to see a logical reason why such a God cannot exist.
With only those two attributes, such a god might exist.
> Also, we are not talking about some kind of totally ridiculous
> hypothesis which cannot be disproven. It seems very natural to suppose
> that all the design and beauty in the Universe is not the product of
> randomness, time, chance, matter and energy - but rather the handiwork
> of an Intelligent Designer.
There are plenty of steps from ID to a god who is omniscient, all good,
omnipotent, and omnipotent (those are the self-contradictory attributes) ---
not to mention one that has ever had anything to say to human beings, hears
prayers, exerts a supernatural influence on human events and the physical
universe (since it got started) and appointed you as spokesperson to give
commandments to others.
> You might wish to be an agnostic,
Anyone who has no belief in (a) god(s) is an atheist. And that includes
anyone who has no belief in (a) god(s) because he thinks he does not have
enough information to know.
> but I hope you can see from this
> simple illustration that the dogmatic position of atheism is
> intellectual arrogance and foolishness of the highest order.
There is no dogmatic position of atheism.
> I am not claiming in any way in the text above to have proved that God
> exists, only that you can't be sure He doesn't.
I can be sure your god doesn't. I cannot be sure that Zeus doesn't,
that various river sprites and woodland spirits don't.
> Responses from some atheists
> More detailed arguments for God's existence
> It is argued that if God is omnipresent, you should be able to find
> Him anywhere.
I've been here a long time and I have never heard an atheist forward this
argument. Perhaps you could provide the Message-ID.
I'll just snip your response to the strawman you concocted.
> It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
> logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
> non-existence.
> Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
> mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
> understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
> the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
> exist.
So which of these attributes does your 'god of the bible' lack:
all creating
all good
omniscient?
If it has all three, it cannot exist.
> God has different sides to his character, but they are never
> contradictory.
> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
Fortunately your wicked philosophy and its murderous ways are losing ground
everywhere. Dubya has certainly given your dreams of theocracy in America a
serious set back, and although progress is seldom uninterrupted and direct,
it should be clear that bigotry is in retreat and the day will come when
humankind is free of boundage.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> use...@larseighner.com
Countdown: 248 days to go.
Gregory A Greenman
Love <christ...@yahoo.com> declared...
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
> all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
> part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
> absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>
> __________
> |xx |
> | |
> |_________|
> Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
__________
|xx |
| lgv |
|_________|
Hey! You're right! He's right there between the leprechauns and
vampires!
--
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Mark K. Bilbo
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:10:40 -0700 (PDT), panam...@hotmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> On May 16, 6:45 pm, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>>> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>>> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>>> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>>>
>>> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>>> there is no God.
>> earthquake.
>>
>
> and a warped little atheist mind that can't think.
Says the troll who spouts drivel where it's not wanted...
Mark K. Bilbo
>> and failed to provide attribution for:
>>
>>> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>>> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>>> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>>>
>>> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>>> all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>>> part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
>>> absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>>>
>>> __________
>>> |xx |
>>> | |
>>> |_________|
>>> Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
>>> declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
>>> all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
>>> absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
>
> On the contrary, all the evidence supports the truth of God. Haven't
> you ever looked around you?
Yet another way of saying, "I don't have any evidence".
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:58:00 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com>
>> claim there is when you cannot point to any? Your totally meaningless
>> claim that everything is evidence for gods is an attempt to avoid the
>> problem you have.
>>
>
> Try this one on for size: "To suppose that the eye [...] could have
> been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in
> the highest degree."
>
> Do you know who said that?
Lying, dishonest creationists who deliberately snip out bits of what
people say in order to misrepresent them.
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:59:07 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
>> Christ's Love wrote:
>>> Right now
>> Right now, you are totally wasting your time.
>
> With you, probably, but not with that one soul who may listen and be
> saved.
You're posting to alt.atheism dumbass. Atheism. Get it? Atheists?
Sheesh.
> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
Says the angry, spiteful little troll...
Mark K. Bilbo
> Christ's Love wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:59:07 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>> <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>
>>> Christ's Love wrote:
>>>> Right now
>>> Right now, you are totally wasting your time.
>>
>> With you, probably, but not with that one soul who may listen and be
>> saved.
>
> Why don't you ask God who that might be and e-mail them personally?
>
Even his god don't wanna talk to him?
William Wingstedt
<christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
I make no such confident assertion. Some, as of yet unknown, place in
the universe may very well be haunted by the god you imagine. I just
don't believe it.
Douglas Berry
<christ...@yahoo.com> carved the following into the hard stone of
alt.atheism
>Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
Or any other set of divine laws like those found in the Koran.
>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>
>__________
>|xx |
>| |
>|_________|
>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
>declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
>all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
>absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
OK, let's play with this idea. That blank area could also contain the
Norse deities, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or a deity who is
completely alien to any human religion.
Do you accept those as possibilities?
>Let me be clear. I am talking about a God who created the Universe,
>and who one day calls all people to account for the choices they have
>made. I have yet to see a logical reason why such a God cannot exist.
Lack of solid evidence.
>Also, we are not talking about some kind of totally ridiculous
>hypothesis which cannot be disproven. It seems very natural to suppose
>that all the design and beauty in the Universe is not the product of
>randomness, time, chance, matter and energy - but rather the handiwork
>of an Intelligent Designer.
My two year old niece really got into Christmas this last year. She
really loved Santa Claus. All on her own, she decided that all the big
displays of lights around town had been put up by the man in the red
suit. A natural conclusion, right?
Of course, a little research would reveal the fact of the matter. The
displays are designed and put up by mere humans.
It troubles me that you share a world view with a two year old.
>You might wish to be an agnostic, but I hope you can see from this
>simple illustration that the dogmatic position of atheism is
>intellectual arrogance and foolishness of the highest order.
Nothing dogmatic about it. I simply do not believe in any deities.
Show me hard proof that your deity, and your deity alone, exists and
we'll talk.
>I am not claiming in any way in the text above to have proved that God
>exists, only that you can't be sure He doesn't.
Show me some hard, testable, evidence.
>Responses from some atheists
>More detailed arguments for God's existence
>
>It is argued that if God is omnipresent, you should be able to find
>Him anywhere. But consider this. Right now, radio and TV waves are all
>around you. But if you go looking for them unaided by the right gear,
>you will see and hear nothing. We believe in the existence of lots of
>things we can't see. Have you ever seen your brain? Have you seen an
>atom? Do you believe these things exist?
I have seen my brain on several MRI scans. You can detect radio waves
with gear from Radio Shack. Not only can we see atoms, we can
manipulate them one at a time. How does one detect God?
>In the same way, the fact that you cannot find God in your kitchen,
>for example, does not prove He is not there. There is a possibility
>that you are BLIND. Blind spiritually, that is.
OK, prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't in your kitchen.
>God cannot be seen directly by sinful men, although at times even
>sinners might have a vision of Christ in which they see Him (but not
>in ALL his glory). But just like radio waves can be known to be
>present through a working radio receiver, so God can be known to exist
>through the effects he causes in nature, in history, and in our own
>hearts and lives. Divine healing is one evidence of the reality of a
>God who cares. And it is happening all the time.
Sorry, but the EM spectrum (which includes radio) can be detected,
analyzed, described, tested, and predicted. Your deity cannot.
Now I'm going to ask for the peer-reviewed papers in medical journals
that show cases where it was shown that the intervention of a deity
was responsible for a recovery. I'm a cancer survivor, and my
oncologist described my recovery from chemotherapy as "remarkable." No
miracles, just good medicine and a strong constitution.
>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
This also works for the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
>A man who is spiritually dead is often like a broken radio receiver.
>Many time he can't sense God, he can't hear God's voice so he may
>conclude that God does not exist. That would be a conclusion based on
>ignorance, not knowledge.
People who hear voices tend to be suffering from schizophrenia. With
proper treatment, the voices go away.
>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
>to its reality?
Except they can't prove anything. You keep bringing up radio waves.
Those have been proven to exist. Anyone can buy a RF detector and
measure them. We have telescopes that see radio emissions from stars
and planets. The existence of radio emissions is established,
verifiable, and testable.
>It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
>logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
>non-existence.
>
>Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
>mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
>understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
>the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
>exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
>contradictory.
Really? The Bible states that God is omniscient. But then in several
places God is shown to be ignorant of events going on around him.
>Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
You need to remove the apostrophe from "love's".
--
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Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Richard Anacker
Douglas Berry schrieb:
> How does one detect God?
Have a warm feeling while Mr. Pastor talks.
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thomas p.
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> skrev i en meddelelse
news:aou2g5-...@75-104-202-115.cust.wildblue.net...
God killfiled him.
Kate
<christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:59:07 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
><gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
>>Christ's Love wrote:
>>> Right now
>>
>>Right now, you are totally wasting your time.
>
>With you, probably, but not with that one soul who may listen and be
>saved.
Why would any sane person believe anything you say? You've already
repeatedly proved you are a liar.
Why would you want to abuse the mentally ill?
>
>
>Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
Oh look, a lie!
raven1
<christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>there is no God.
For the umpteenth time, the burden of proof is on you. Until you have
some sort of evidence to present that indicates that any kind of
"god/s" exist, the null hypothesis is the default position.
<snip remaining Argument from Ignorance>
Preventer of Work
> and failed to provide attribution for:
>
>> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
>> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>>
>> all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
>> part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
>> absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>>
>> __________
>> |xx |
>> | |
>> |_________|
>> Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
>> rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
>> declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
>> all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
>> absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
>
> Santa and the Tooth Fairy to all of the other gods that have ever been
> posited.
>
CL's argument seems to be "If you don't know about god, that is proof
that there is a god."
His argument is just a variation on the god in the gaps one, and about
as useful.
Andy W
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:37:30 GMT, "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"Christ's Love" <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
> >> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>
>
> >Weak-minded cowardly fool.
>
> >Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
>
> Uh, maybe because God is for me so who can be against me?
A quick look through the threads you've spawned shows that very many
people are against you, and they've all kicked your arse, and you
can't offer anything in response except a few weak insults.
>
> Idiot.
>
Case in point. You've got absolutely nothing. I can only assume your
another of those that gets some sort of kick out of being publicly
humiliated over and over again.
Andy
beelzebub
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> there is no God.
Faith, true. But asserting that there is not a god is not the same as
asserting that there is not a Christian god. The latter can be
asserted with far greater confidence. You clowns can't even agree on
what the "word of god" is, and yet you think your version, which has
been translated from a language which has no literal translation into
English (ancient Hebrew), which you can't speak or read, which has
been edited mercilessly for political and selfish reasons for
millennia, and which has borrowed heavily from the god-myths of prior
civilizations, is somehow sacrosanct and literal. That's more than
faith, that's the utmost embodiment of stupidity.
Douglas Berry
<spam.q...@faltenarschban.de> carved the following into the hard
stone of alt.atheism
>
>Douglas Berry schrieb:
>
>> How does one detect God?
>
>Have a warm feeling while Mr. Pastor talks.
In that case, Dave Mustaine is God. Megadeth gives me a warm feeling.
CortxVortx
news:g0l9vn$kro$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
>> >> Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
>> >>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that
>> >>the part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don't
>> >>know absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>> >>
>> >>__________
>> >>|xx |
>> >>| |
>> >>|_________|
>> >>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
>> >>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge?
Heh! Doof just admitted that his god isn't omnipresent.
We already know that it isn't omnibeneficent.
--
"Evolution can be mean -- there's no 'dumb-ass' vaccine." -- Jimmy
Buffett
adman
"beelzebub" <yank_e...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e695a1ba-32de-4770...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
This is the most stupidity, written in an intelligent mannor, that i have
ever read.
Did you fry your last TWO brain cells doing it?
sheesh.
|
beelzebub
> "beelzebub" <yank_ees_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
What part couldn't you get your simple mind around?
Mike Painter
And if you did undersrtand it, why not speak about it.
What can you deny?
Smiler
"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:482e7efa$0$56773$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>
> "Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:1gis24d7rj46gvlvr...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:35:51 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
>> <ktay...@getnet.net> wrote:
>>
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>>>
>>>Christ's Love wrote:
>>>| On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:39:31 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
>>>| <ktay...@getnet.net> wrote:
>>>|
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>>>|>
>>>|> Christ's Love wrote:
>>>|> | Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is
>>>no
>>>|> | God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>>>|> | For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise
>>>the
>>>|> | "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>>>|> |
>>>|> | Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
>>>|> | there is no God.
>>>|> |
>>>|>
>>>|> You know what they are. You can't deal with them so you run.
>>>|>
>>>|> Come on junior, convince me.
>>>|
>>>| Nobody is running from you, idiot. Only in your warped wet dreams.
>>>|
>>>Which is why you can not even attempt to counter those five little words.
>>>
>>>You're running away. So much for your testimony of faith. Not much
>>>faith if you can't even deal with five words.
>>>
>>>And gee, all you have to do is get me to drop one of those words, three
>>>little letters, and I'll be just like you.
>>>
>>>What's the matter child? Your imaginary friend left you holding the bag
>>>again?
>>
>> You poor deluded fool.
>
> That certainly is a convincing arguement.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of
>> you!
>
Looks more like 'unschooled' to me.
a.a.# 2279
raven1
Ok, at this point, it's abundantly clear that you're somewhere around
15 years old, most likely home-schooled, and totally out of your depth
trying to discuss anything with anyone.
Note that I'm being charitable. If you're actually an adult, I'm
truly, deeply sorry for you.
Richard Anacker
Douglas Berry schrieb:
>> How does one detect God?
>>
>>Have a warm feeling while Mr. Pastor talks.
>
> In that case, Dave Mustaine is God. Megadeth gives me a warm feeling.
Now you know why some called Clapton God.
--
"What did Evil Knievel want?"
"God sent him."
"On a fucking Suzuki?"
johac
Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<Snip bullshit.>
>
> Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> there is no God.
Nonsense!. I am aware of no evidence for gods so therefore I have no
reason to believe in them.
---
There are no gods.
I do not believe in gods.
I think that even a simple mind such as yours should be able to grasp
the difference between those two statements.
--
John #1782
Richard Anacker
raven1 schrieb:
[about assman]
> Ok, at this point, it's abundantly clear that you're somewhere around
> 15 years old
No. Some of my students are 15 years old - and they are way of smarter than
this cretin.
Richard Anacker
Smiler schrieb:
>>> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of
>>> you!
>>
>> It is "loves" not "love's". You must be home-schooled.
>
> Looks more like 'unschooled' to me.
Here in Germany we call this "Deppenapostroph" and there are lots of
internetsites about it, f.e.
http://www.deppenapostroph.de/
Depp is something like idiot.
You can also sign up for an own mailadress na...@deppenapostroph.de :-)
*nemo*
> One fine day in alt.atheism, Steven Knight <skni...@roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love
>> <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> God was never murderous, moron.
>>
>> It speaks for itself.
>>
>> Seconds?
>>
>> Warlord Steve
>> BAAWA
>>
>>
>
> Seconded.
>
Recorded.
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alt.atheism, in message news:3lpu249mq2ciqncbe...@4ax.com
decided this was a worthy use of a keyboard:
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 17:47:18 +0200 Richard Anacker
> <spam.q...@faltenarschban.de> carved the following into the hard
> stone of alt.atheism
>>Sers Douglas et all
>>
>>Douglas Berry schrieb:
>>
>>> How does one detect God?
>>
>>Have a warm feeling while Mr. Pastor talks.
>
> In that case, Dave Mustaine is God. Megadeth gives me a warm feeling.
> --
Why, you rattlehead, you! I never suspected. I've got internet metal radio
blaring as I type this.
> Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
> Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
>
> "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
> source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
> stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
> good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
>
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No S-P-A-M in my email.
SkyEyes
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
> For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> "so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
>
> all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
> part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
> absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
>
> __________
> |xx |
> | |
> |_________|
> Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
> declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
> all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
> absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
>
> and who one day calls all people to account for the choices they have
> made. I have yet to see a logical reason why such a God cannot exist.
> hypothesis which cannot be disproven. It seems very natural to suppose
> that all the design and beauty in the Universe is not the product of
> randomness, time, chance, matter and energy - but rather the handiwork
> of an Intelligent Designer.
>
> simple illustration that the dogmatic position of atheism is
> intellectual arrogance and foolishness of the highest order.
>
> exists, only that you can't be sure He doesn't.
>
> More detailed arguments for God's existence
>
> It is argued that if God is omnipresent, you should be able to find
> Him anywhere. But consider this. Right now, radio and TV waves are all
> around you. But if you go looking for them unaided by the right gear,
> you will see and hear nothing. We believe in the existence of lots of
> things we can't see. Have you ever seen your brain? Have you seen an
> atom? Do you believe these things exist?
>
> for example, does not prove He is not there. There is a possibility
> that you are BLIND. Blind spiritually, that is.
>
> sinners might have a vision of Christ in which they see Him (but not
> in ALL his glory). But just like radio waves can be known to be
> present through a working radio receiver, so God can be known to exist
> through the effects he causes in nature, in history, and in our own
> hearts and lives. Divine healing is one evidence of the reality of a
> God who cares. And it is happening all the time.
>
> not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
> a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
> will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
>
> Many time he can't sense God, he can't hear God's voice so he may
> conclude that God does not exist. That would be a conclusion based on
> ignorance, not knowledge.
>
> that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
> of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
> would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
> know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
> there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
> to its reality?
>
> logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
> non-existence.
>
> Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
> mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
> understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
> the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
> exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
> contradictory.
>
There *is* no "atheistic philosophy." There's no creed, there's no
faith. There's just you religious nutjobs blathering on about your
supernatural friends, and the rest of us going "we don't believe you."
Now stay the hell in your own damn newsgroup. Proselytizing is
against the alt.atheism charter and if you keep this up, you're going
to get reported for net abuse.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
SkyEyes
The "relationship" he has with Jesus isn't going so well right now;
Jesus isn't speaking to him.
pba...@worldonline.nl
If there is an omnipotent God that wants me to believe in him, I will.
(and he won't need your help for that!)
If there is none, than nothing you can post here will convince me
otherwise!
Now go back to loving you fellow man,
which is not done by proseliting.
Love,
Peter van Velzen
May 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
Smiler
"Richard Anacker" <spam.q...@faltenarschban.de> wrote in message
news:1rihkj99...@news.fahrschule-anacker.de...
> Sers Smiler et all
>
> Smiler schrieb:
>
>>>> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of
>>>> you!
>>>
>>> It is "loves" not "love's". You must be home-schooled.
>>
>> Looks more like 'unschooled' to me.
>
> Here in Germany we call this "Deppenapostroph" and there are lots of
> internetsites about it, f.e.
> http://www.deppenapostroph.de/
>
> Depp is something like idiot.
>
> You can also sign up for an own mailadress na...@deppenapostroph.de :-)
I'll give that a miss, thanks.
Maybe, after I have a full frontal lobotomy, I'd consider it?
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
Christ's Love
<nemo...@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
>Uncle Vic wrote:
>> One fine day in alt.atheism, Steven Knight <skni...@roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love
>>> <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> God was never murderous, moron.
>>>
>>> It speaks for itself.
>>>
>>> Seconds?
>>>
>>> Warlord Steve
>>> BAAWA
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Seconded.
>>
>Recorded.
Moron.
raven1
<christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 18 May 2008 03:40:06 -0400, *nemo*
><nemo...@earthlink.diespam.com> wrote:
>
>>Uncle Vic wrote:
>>> One fine day in alt.atheism, Steven Knight <skni...@roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love
>>>> <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> God was never murderous, moron.
>>>>
>>>> It speaks for itself.
>>>>
>>>> Seconds?
>>>>
>>>> Warlord Steve
>>>> BAAWA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Seconded.
>>>
>>Recorded.
>
>Moron.
>
>
>Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
Yes, it's so easy to feel that Christian love every time you hurl out
a gratuitous insult.
Mark K. Bilbo
I do *so* love the way you advertise your hypocrisy...
Robibnikoff
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
news:68h8g5-...@75-104-203-24.cust.wildblue.net...
Well, it IS a christian - Comes with the territory :P
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Lord Vetinari
news:68h8g5-...@75-104-203-24.cust.wildblue.net...
Perhaps the problem xians have is that they really don't understand what
love _IS_. Look at their divorce rate, eh? My wife and I are both
atheists, and are coming up on our twenty-fifth wedding annversary.
Cary Kittrell
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> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:37:06 +0000 (UTC), ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu
> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> >Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:47:51 +0000 (UTC), ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu
> >> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <979s241luiks80i4n...@4ax.com> Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:52:42 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:45:40 GMT, Christ's Love <christ...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> >copied from <http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism>
> >> >> >and failed to provide attribution for:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
> >> >> >>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> >> >> >>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> >> >> >>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
> >> >> >>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
> >> >> >>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
> >> >> >>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>__________
> >> >> >>|xx |
> >> >> >>| |
> >> >> >>|_________|
> >> >> >>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
> >> >> >>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
> >> >> >>declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
> >> >> >>all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
> >> >> >>absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> you ever looked around you?
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists fail
> >> >> >to offer any.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
> >> >> world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
> >> >> even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>Although God can and sometimes does reveal Himself to people who have
> >> >> >>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
> >> >> >>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
> >> >> >>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
> >> >> >>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
> >> >> >>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
> >> >> >>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
> >> >> >>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
> >> >> >>to its reality?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Only to tiny little warped minds like yours. I pity you.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
> >> >> >>logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
> >> >> >>non-existence.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
> >> >> >>mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
> >> >> >>understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
> >> >> >>the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
> >> >> >>exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
> >> >> >>contradictory.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> God was never murderous, moron.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >his people for having some mercy and failing to kill all those
> >> >whose land they were appropriating? He, you may remember,
> >> >ordered them to go back and finish the job, killing every
> >> >man, woman, and babe.
> >> >
> >> >Except, of course, for very young virgins.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I know the chapter you're talking about and your distorting it's
> >> truth, liar.
> >
> >
> >In that case kindly enlighten me as to the undistorted truth.
> >
> >
> >Here, if you would be so kind:
>
> I could copy and paste, but try reading for a change (if you can):
>
> http://www.apocalipsis.org/difficulties/midianite.htm
>
If I may quote an eminent Usenet poster regarding such a response:
"Are you that stupid you can't state one anwer[sic] youself[sic]?
Why do I ask, of course you are."
-- Christ's Love, May 17 2008
-- cary
JohnN
demonstrates the worthlessness of your arguments.
JohnN
MarkA
> On May 16, 11:04 pm, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:37:06 +0000 (UTC), c...@afone.as.arizona.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>> >Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:47:51 +0000 (UTC), c...@afone.as.arizona.edu
>> >> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>>
>> >> >In article <979s241luiks80i4na1tgclmf9r1jas...@4ax.com> Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> writes:
>> >> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:52:42 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:45:40 GMT, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com>
>> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
>
> Stunning. The reason for committing genocide against the moabite boys
> was that they would seek vengeance when they became men? But I
> thought the Lord your God was with the Israelites? Indeed that is
> sort of the point. So God ordered the murder of children because they
> might rise up later even though He could prevent them from doing so?
Clearly, God was worried that they would invent chariots of iron, which,
as we all know, are invincible, even to God.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
Kelsey Bjarnason
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:39:31 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
> <ktay...@getnet.net> wrote:
>
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>>Christ's Love wrote:
>>| Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
>>| God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters. |
>>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the |
>>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments. |
>>| Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that |
>>there is no God.
>>|
>>Nope, wrong. All it takes are five little words.
>>
>>You know what they are. You can't deal with them so you run.
>>
>>Come on junior, convince me.
>
> Nobody is running from you, idiot.
Yet you never, ever, EVER even attempt to deal with what you're being
told. "Running away" does not mean physically removing yourself, it
simply means failing to face up to the facts, deal with the arguments,
preferring instead to dodge. This you do, in spades.
Kelsey Bjarnason
> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> God.
Sorry, bonehead, but you titled this "Atheistic philosophy", then
proceeded to spew some crap which is not a part of atheist philosophy,
leading to the obvious question: could you possibly, in future, turn your
brain on *before* posting?
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 +0000, Christ's Love wrote:
>>What leap? The evidence fails to support your claims about God, just as
>
> On the contrary, all the evidence supports the truth of God. Haven't you
> ever looked around you?
I'm looking around me right now. Let's see...
A desk. Made by man, not gods.
A computer. Made by man, not gods.
A stuffed toy penguin (go Tux!). Made by man, not gods.
A set of speakers. Made by man, not gods.
A plate. Made by man, not gods.
A bowl. Made by man, not gods.
A file organizer. Made by man, not gods.
A pen. Made by man, not gods.
"Splenda". Made by man, not gods. [1]
A telephone. Made by man, not gods.
A book of CDs. Made by man, not gods.
Yeah, a compelling case for gods there.
[1] Snicker. Artificial sweeteners are actually a good argument to the
contrary. The supposedly God-designed body often cannot deal with the
supposedly God-designed sweeteners - sugar and honey - leading to all
sorts of unpleasant side-effects, such as blindness. Meanwhile, the man-
made sweeteners, while not totally devoid of such effects, can
significantly reduce them. Pretty sad argument about God, when he -
despite being supposedly omniscient and omnipotent - can't get something
as simple as sugar right, and needs man to come along and fix his
blunders.
Christ's Love
wrote:
>One fine day in alt.atheism, Steven Knight <skni...@roadrunner.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love
>> <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>God was never murderous, moron.
>>
>>
>> It speaks for itself.
>>
>> Seconds?
>>
>> Warlord Steve
>> BAAWA
>>
>>
>
>Seconded.
Congratulations. That just means your a moron too.
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:12:01 +0000, Christ's Love wrote:
> Try this one on for size: "To suppose that the eye [...] could have been
> formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the
> highest degree."
>
> Do you know who said that?
The very same guy who, in the very same work, explained exactly how such
a thing could occur.
Odd you keep overlooking that bit. Oh, wait, no, it's not odd at all,
because you're a theist and therefore expected to be fundamentally
dishonest.
>>>>Yet, when asked to provide evidence to support that claim, theists
>>>>fail to offer any.
>>>
>>>Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
>>>world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
>>>even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>>
>>Paul was wrong.
>>
>>
> Of course you think that.
Yes, of course. Simply asserting "is too" does not actually make a case;
while the book here says "is too", it fails, miserably, to actually make
the case.
>>You have nothing but insults to offer.
>>
>>
> Not insults but facts. Not nothing but science.
You? Offering science? Now that's funny.
Cary Kittrell
>
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:37:30 GMT, "Pink Freud" <some...@here.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Christ's Love" <christ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:bj3s2417h77rpdmh9...@4ax.com...
> >> Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> >
> >
> >Weak-minded cowardly fool.
> >
> >Why not just go and cringe under a rock somewhere?
> >
>
> Uh, maybe because God is for me so who can be against me?
Oh, a whole bunch of folks, actually.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:59:07 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
> >Christ's Love wrote:
> >> Right now
> >
>
> With you, probably, but not with that one soul who may listen and be
> saved.
How about the other souls? You know, those possibly interested in Christ,
but who take one look at your belligerent, intellectually dishonest,
abusive, smugly ignorant, condescending, logically bankrupt,
evasive, in-your-face posts and think to themselves, "OK, if
that's what being a Christian is like, maybe I'll look into Scientology"?
Brenda mentioned a Scriptural proscription against stumbling blocks.
I notice that you didn't answer her.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
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> On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:24:01 -0700 (PDT), squealpiggy
> <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On May 16, 11:04 pm, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 01:37:06 +0000 (UTC), c...@afone.as.arizona.edu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> >> >Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> >> On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:47:51 +0000 (UTC), c...@afone.as.arizona.edu
> >> >> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >In article <979s241luiks80i4na1tgclmf9r1jas...@4ax.com> Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:52:42 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >On Fri, 16 May 2008 22:45:40 GMT, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com>
> >> >> >> >copied from <http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism>
> >> >> >> >and failed to provide attribution for:
> >>
> >> >> >> >>For you, you think there is no judgment awaiting those who despise the
> >> >> >> >>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
> >>
> >> >> >> >>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
> >> >> >> >>all the knowledge in the Universe. And let us further suppose that the
> >> >> >> >>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don’t know
> >> >> >> >>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
> >>
> >> >> >> >>__________
> >> >> >> >>|xx |
> >> >> >> >>| |
> >> >> >> >>|_________|
> >> >> >> >>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
> >> >> >> >>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
> >> >> >> >>declare with confidence that God does not exist you would have to know
> >> >> >> >>all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of
> >> >> >> >>absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >> On the contrary, all the evidence supports the truth of God. Haven't
> >> >> >> you ever looked around you?
> >>
> >> >> >> >to offer any.
> >>
> >> >> >> Rom.1.20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
> >> >> >> world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
> >> >> >> even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
> >>
> >> >> >> >>not been looking for Him at all, what you need in order to find Him is
> >> >> >> >>a persistent attitude of seeking Him with all your heart. Then you
> >> >> >> >>will find Him. (Jeremiah 29:13).
> >>
> >> >> >> >>If you pride yourself on your powers of intellect, don't forget that
> >> >> >> >>that doesn't necessarily qualify you to say you can see or sense all
> >> >> >> >>of the reality that is around you. If someone poked your eyes out you
> >> >> >> >>would have to rely on the testimony of others who can see in order to
> >> >> >> >>know some things about the world around you. How can you be sure that
> >> >> >> >>there is no spiritual world around you when so many others can testify
> >> >> >> >>to its reality?
> >>
> >> >> >> >Failed analogy.
> >>
> >> >> >> Only to tiny little warped minds like yours. I pity you.
> >>
> >> >> >> >>It was also stated that if the idea of God could be shown to contain
> >> >> >> >>logical contradictions, this would be a demonstration of God's
> >> >> >> >>non-existence.
> >>
> >> >> >> >>Its true that the God most people imagine does not exist. That doesn't
> >> >> >> >>mean that the God of the Bible doesn't. We may not be able to fully
> >> >> >> >>understand the God of the Bible, but I fail to see a clear case that
> >> >> >> >>the God of the Bible is logically inconsistent, and therefore cannot
> >> >> >> >>exist. God has different sides to his character, but they are never
> >> >> >> >>contradictory.
> >>
> >> >> >> >Are you saying that the murderous God of the Old Testament exists?
> >>
> >>
> >> >> >his people for having some mercy and failing to kill all those
> >> >> >whose land they were appropriating? He, you may remember,
> >> >> >ordered them to go back and finish the job, killing every
> >> >> >man, woman, and babe.
> >>
> >> >> >Except, of course, for very young virgins.
> >>
> >> >> I know the chapter you're talking about and your distorting it's
> >> >> truth, liar.
> >>
> >> >In that case kindly enlighten me as to the undistorted truth.
> >>
> >> >Here, if you would be so kind:
> >>
> >> I could copy and paste, but try reading for a change (if you can):
> >>
> >> http://www.apocalipsis.org/difficulties/midianite.htm
> >>
> >
>
>
> >was that they would seek vengeance when they became men? But I
> >thought the Lord your God was with the Israelites? Indeed that is
> >sort of the point. So God ordered the murder of children because they
> >might rise up later even though He could prevent them from doing so?
>
> would have been a threat to Israel.
>
> Any other stupid questions?
>
>
> Always remember: Christ love's you, and so do I! Each and every one of you!
Sure. Why was an eleven-year old girl who had been fucked a threat to be slaughtered,
while an eleven-year old girl who had not been fucked was just all right
with YHWH?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> On 17 May, 03:12, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 May 2008 19:58:00 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Sat, 17 May 2008 00:24:37 GMT, Christ's Love <christsag...@yahoo.com>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >>On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:52:42 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> > >>wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>>copied from <http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism>=
>
> > >>>and failed to provide attribution for:
> >
> > >>>>Right now you are pretty confident, maybe even sure, that there is no
> > >>>>God. So you feel safe in living as if this life is all that matters.
>
> > >>>>"so-called divine laws" such as the Ten Commandments.
> >
> > >>>>Yet it takes an enormous leap of faith to confidently assert that
> > >>>>there is no God. Let us suppose that this rectangle below represents
>
> > >>>>part shaded 'x' represents everything that you know. (You don=92t know=
>
> > >>>>absolutely everything there is to know, do you?)
> >
> > >>>>__________
> > >>>>| =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0|
> > >>>>|_________|
> > >>>>Well, do you admit that God could exist in the other part of the
> > >>>>rectangle - the part about which you have absolutely no knowledge? To
>
> > >>>>all things in the Universe. You are not qualified to make this kind of=
>
> > >>>>absolute assertion regarding a universal negative.
> >
>
> >
> > >>On the contrary, all the evidence supports the truth of God. Haven't
> > >>you ever looked around you?
> >
> > >claim there is when you cannot point to any? Your totally meaningless
> > >claim that everything is evidence for gods is an attempt to avoid the
> > >problem you have.
> >
> > Try this one on for size: "To suppose that the eye [...] could have
> > been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in
> > the highest degree."
> >
> > Do you know who said that?
>
> told you that ignored his next point as to how it could have happened.
> You see, my young lad, Darwin used the device of setting up a question
> and then answering it several times in OOS, and the liars for Jesus
> ALWAYS ignore his answer.
> BTW do you know the meaning of the word plagiarise, which you commited
> by posting from http://www.christian-faith.com/html/page/faith_in_atheism
> without attribution. Naughty, naughy, little boy.
>
> Wombat
Very good. I too found that far too coherent to have been put together
by "Christ's Love", so I went looking for where he had stolen it from.
I failed to find it, but I am gratified that you, I see, did not fail.
-- cary