Myth:Secondhand Smoke Is A Killer

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By JOHN STOSSEL
May 3, 2007
This report originally ran on May 12, 2006.

Secondhand smoke -- even a little is a killer. It's why more of you smokers are banned from bars, restaurants, now even building entrances.

One public service announcement proclaims, "When you smoke, you're not the only one being harmed."

That's not a myth. Studies that followed nonsmokers who lived with smokers found some increase in lung cancer and heart disease. But they studied people who were exposed to lots of smoke, often shut in with chain smokers for years in claustrophobic situations like homes and cars. Even then, some of the studies found no effect. Nevertheless it's been enough to launch a movement to ban smoking most everywhere.

And now Calabasas, Calif., has banned smoking everywhere outdoors where a nonsmoker could get within 20 feet of a smoker. The former mayor, Barry Groveman, said, "It's about public safety."

"This is by every standard a public health law," Groveman said.

The World Health Organization (WHO) says smoking's death toll for the century could reach 1 billion.
How Big Is the Risk?

But if they limit people's choices in the name of public health, we should know if walking past a smoker can really hurt you. I fell for the alarmists' claims years ago when I interviewed activist Stanton Glantz about secondhand smoke.

"And if I were to walk up to you and have an aerosol can filled with 4,000 chemicals and say, 'Excuse me, do you mind if I spray this in your face,' you'd think I was out of my mind, but when somebody smokes a cigarette, that's what they're doing," Glantz said.

Glantz and other activists now say just 20 or 30 minutes of smoke puts you on the road to a deadly heart attack.

Dr. Michael Siegel, a leading advocate of bans on smoking in the workplace because of the harm from daily exposure to secondhand smoke, says the 20 or 30 minute claims are ridiculous.

"If someone is just exposed for 30 minutes, it's completely reversible, and it's not gonna cause hardening of the arteries," Siegel said.

Siegel, who helped ban smoking in restaurants and bars, now says his movement is distorting science.

The Crusade

"It has turned into more of a crusade," Siegel said. "The cause has kind of taken over."

Some anti-smoking advocates want it banned even inside apartments.

"Now people are complaining about smoke going from one apartment to another apartment," Glantz said.

Glantz said the people in other apartments could be harmed since the "level of toxicity in the smoke is very very high."

Frankly, I like the smoke-free zones, but the science behind them may be a myth.

"I think the documented health effects of secondhand smoke are enough. I don't think we need to be stretching the truth," Siegel said.

MelissA

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Jul 16, 2012, 8:51:02 AM7/16/12

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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
Joe Bruno <ajt...@cox.net> wrote:

> Thus piece appeared on 20/20.
>
>
> Myth: Secondhand Smoke Is a Killer

I'm passionate smoker, but in my country prices
of cigarettes will go to 3 and more euro per
packet so that would mean and of smoking ;)

BroilJAB

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Jul 16, 2012, 8:55:39 AM7/16/12

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In fact, your 'increased risk of cancer'
is 10X MORE merely from drinking a
simple glass of milk, than in 'being
exposed to 2nd hand smoke'. Any
woman who has had an Abortion is
100X more likely to get cancer than
if 'exposed to second hand smoking'.

Did you ever notice or read, Joe, that
narrative I post several times a year
on 'the world's leading evolutionist'
Sir Ronald E. Fisher who actually
published junk science for the Tobacco
Industry. What he said (different from
what we are talking about here), Fisher
said that first hand cigarette smoking
had no connection to lung cancer. No
evolutionist wants to admit, now, that
REFisher (the father of the New Synthesis
of Evolution) ever existed. Funny stuff.

MelissA

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Jul 16, 2012, 8:59:27 AM7/16/12

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I you smoke you are going to hell, says
priest...
Evyrone who smoked is now in hell, he says
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDv7WtgnJrM

Mike Painter

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Jul 16, 2012, 12:43:03 PM7/16/12

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Prices for a 20 pack of cigarettes here in the USA range from $4.74 to
$11.90 depending on where you live.
http://www.theawl.com/2011/06/what-a-pack-of-cigarettes-costs-state-by-state

The tobacco industry used their aged "read the small print" nonsense to
defeat a bill her in California that would have add $1.00 to the cost.

If nothing else the increase costs have reduced the number of smokers
and given them a better chance to live.

I imagine teh cigarette companies will also fight this.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120627142419.htm

MarkA

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Jul 16, 2012, 12:46:44 PM7/16/12

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In NY, cigarettes are so expensive that second hand smoke is the only way
some smokers can afford their habit!

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 12:57:14 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 5:55:39 AM UTC-7, BroilJAB wrote:
> In fact, your 'increased risk of cancer'

> is 10X MORE merely from drinking a

> simple glass of milk, than in 'being
> exposed to 2nd hand smoke'. Any

> woman who has had an Abortion is
> 100X more likely to get cancer than

> if 'exposed to second hand smoking'.

>
> Did you ever notice or read, Joe, that
> narrative I post several times a year

> on 'the world's leading evolutionist'

> Sir Ronald E. Fisher who actually
> published junk science for the Tobacco
> Industry. What he said (different from
> what we are talking about here), Fisher
> said that first hand cigarette smoking
> had no connection to lung cancer. No
> evolutionist wants to admit, now, that
> REFisher (the father of the New Synthesis
> of Evolution) ever existed. Funny stuff.

The way I figure it, your lungs are exposed to more dangerous fumes when you
drive down the freeway with your window open than from secondhand smoke.
Two ancedotes tell me all I need to know about cigarette smoke:

1.My grandmother died from lung cancer at age 73 and she never smoked a day in her life.

2.I know Navy sailors who smoked for 30 years and never got cancer.

Most of the cancer danger is hereditary.It runs in the genetic makeup of families, just like diabetes. The same is true of high blood pressure and
heart disease.Everyone in my immediate family has high blood pressure.

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 12:59:37 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 5:59:27 AM UTC-7, MelissA wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:55:39 -0700 (PDT)

> BroilJAB <Design...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
>
> > In fact, your 'increased risk of cancer'
> > is 10X MORE merely from drinking a
> > simple glass of milk, than in 'being
> > exposed to 2nd hand smoke'. Any
> > woman who has had an Abortion is
> > 100X more likely to get cancer than
> > if 'exposed to second hand smoking'.
> >
> > Did you ever notice or read, Joe, that
> > narrative I post several times a year
> > on 'the world's leading evolutionist'
> > Sir Ronald E. Fisher who actually
> > published junk science for the Tobacco
> > Industry. What he said (different from
> > what we are talking about here), Fisher
> > said that first hand cigarette smoking
> > had no connection to lung cancer. No
> > evolutionist wants to admit, now, that
> > REFisher (the father of the New Synthesis
> > of Evolution) ever existed. Funny stuff.

>
> I you smoke you are going to hell, says
> priest...
> Evyrone who smoked is now in hell, he says
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDv7WtgnJrM

So what?Jews don't care what priests say and there is no Hell in Judaism.
Screw him and his bullshit.

Christopher A. Lee

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:08:29 PM7/16/12

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I never normally had asthma but a couple of times I had attacks when I
still lived in England, once when driving and my passenger lit up, and
once in the non-smoking carriage of a commuter train when the man
opposite lit up.

These days I have impaired lung function which makes things like
second hand smoking much, much worse due to scarring on my right lung
after it collapsed and consequent breathig difficulties.

HVAC

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:30:42 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 12:46 PM, MarkA wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:51:02 +0200, MelissA wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Joe Bruno<ajt...@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thus piece appeared on 20/20.
>>>
>>>
>>> Myth: Secondhand Smoke Is a Killer
>>
>>
>> I'm passionate smoker, but in my country prices of cigarettes will go to 3
>> and more euro per packet so that would mean and of smoking ;)
>
> In NY, cigarettes are so expensive that second hand smoke is the only way
> some smokers can afford their habit!
>

Strangest thing is that mostly it's poor people who smoke.

--
"OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

MelissA

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:40:38 PM7/16/12

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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:43:03 -0700
Mike Painter <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On 7/16/2012 5:51 AM, MelissA wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > Joe Bruno <ajt...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Thus piece appeared on 20/20.
> >>
> >>
> >> Myth: Secondhand Smoke Is a Killer
> >
> >
> > I'm passionate smoker, but in my country prices
> > of cigarettes will go to 3 and more euro per
> > packet so that would mean and of smoking ;)
> >
> Prices for a 20 pack of cigarettes here in the USA range from $4.74
> to $11.90 depending on where you live.

What is average wage in USA?
Here in Serbia , average wage is about 250euros.

> http://www.theawl.com/2011/06/what-a-pack-of-cigarettes-costs-state-by-state
>
> The tobacco industry used their aged "read the small print" nonsense
> to defeat a bill her in California that would have add $1.00 to the
> cost.
>
> If nothing else the increase costs have reduced the number of smokers
> and given them a better chance to live.
>
> I imagine teh cigarette companies will also fight this.
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120627142419.htm

Well, addictiion is not that problem. I had quit for three months
without ever smoking single one without any help.
It is difficult for first two weeks, than it's just psychological
addiction.
Main problem is that I like to smoke (I don;t care about nicotine).

>

MelissA

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:41:07 PM7/16/12

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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:46:44 -0400
MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:51:02 +0200, MelissA wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Joe Bruno <ajt...@cox.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thus piece appeared on 20/20.
> >>
> >>
> >> Myth: Secondhand Smoke Is a Killer
> >
> >
> > I'm passionate smoker, but in my country prices of cigarettes will
> > go to 3 and more euro per packet so that would mean and of
> > smoking ;)
>
> In NY, cigarettes are so expensive that second hand smoke is the only
> way some smokers can afford their habit!
>

Heh ;)

MelissA

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:42:43 PM7/16/12

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Im atheist ;)

MelissA

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:48:08 PM7/16/12

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Cigarettes are not that bad. Once my wife and I were in restaurant and
one guy lit *cigar*. Oh boy, how that suffocates even me (Im heavy
smoker).

Mike Painter

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Jul 16, 2012, 1:52:41 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 10:40 AM, MelissA wrote:
> Well, addictiion is not that problem. I had quit for three months
> without ever smoking single one without any help.
> It is difficult for first two weeks, than it's just psychological
> addiction.
> Main problem is that I like to smoke (I don;t care about nicotine).
>
>> >

Perhaps for you it isn't, for most it is something that never goes away
even if they do stop.

HVAC

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Jul 16, 2012, 2:05:14 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 1:48 PM, MelissA wrote:
>
>
> Cigarettes are not that bad. Once my wife and I were in restaurant and
> one guy lit *cigar*. Oh boy, how that suffocates even me (Im heavy
> smoker).

Smoking cigarettes is just about the stupidest thing someone can do.

Mike Painter

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Jul 16, 2012, 2:05:35 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 9:57 AM, Joe Bruno wrote:
> The way I figure it, your lungs are exposed to more dangerous fumes when you
> drive down the freeway with your window open than from secondhand smoke.
> Two ancedotes tell me all I need to know about cigarette smoke:
>
> 1.My grandmother died from lung cancer at age 73 and she never smoked a day in her life.

My great grandfather died in his 80's and never had a cavity, therefore
no one does.

>
> 2.I know Navy sailors who smoked for 30 years and never got cancer.

And how many did?

>
> Most of the cancer danger is hereditary.It runs in the genetic makeup of families, just like diabetes. The same is true of high blood pressure and
> heart disease.Everyone in my immediate family has high blood pressure.
>

Those are in fact anecdotes and are clearly contradicted by statistics
and science.
If your claim was true then the incident of cancer would be a constant
and not tied to an increase or decrease of smoking.

There are in fact many forms of cancer that are never seen in non smokers.

HVAC

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Jul 16, 2012, 2:11:13 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 12:57 PM, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
>
> Most of the cancer danger is hereditary.It runs in the genetic makeup of families, just like diabetes. The same is true of high blood pressure and
> heart disease.Everyone in my immediate family has high blood pressure.

So then it's a good idea for you to have a stressful job and eat lots of
salt? Your logic is dangerous at best, fatal at worst.

MelissA

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Jul 16, 2012, 2:14:15 PM7/16/12

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On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:05:14 -0400
HVAC <mr....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/16/2012 1:48 PM, MelissA wrote:
> >
> >
> > Cigarettes are not that bad. Once my wife and I were in restaurant
> > and one guy lit *cigar*. Oh boy, how that suffocates even me (Im
> > heavy smoker).
>
>
> Smoking cigarettes is just about the stupidest thing someone can do.
>
>

Well back in 1986 I was against smoking. Then one girl
said to me"You are not cool guy because you don;t smoke".
So I started but didn't inhale. Then, she said:
"How are you smoking like that"?
Then I started to inhale it. Everything because
of a girl ;)
I was stupid, no question...

HVAC

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Jul 16, 2012, 2:34:05 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 2:14 PM, MelissA wrote:
>
>> Smoking cigarettes is just about the stupidest thing someone can do.
>>
>>
> Well back in 1986 I was against smoking. Then one girl
> said to me"You are not cool guy because you don;t smoke".
> So I started but didn't inhale. Then, she said:
> "How are you smoking like that"?
> Then I started to inhale it. Everything because
> of a girl ;)
> I was stupid, no question...

That's doubly stupid. Doing *anything* because of some random girl
telling you that you're not 'cool'...Nuts.

From now on, you should only listen to MY advice.

I'll set you on the right path.

Christopher A. Lee

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:17:11 PM7/16/12

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Cigarettes are bad for me.

Christopher A. Lee

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:17:46 PM7/16/12

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The smoke irritates my damaged lung.

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:28:43 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48:08 AM UTC-7, MelissA wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:08:29 -0700

> Christopher A. Lee <chrisl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:51:02 +0200, MelissA <me...@a.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > >Joe Bruno <ajt...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thus piece appeared on 20/20.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Myth: Secondhand Smoke Is a Killer
> > >
> > >
> > >I'm passionate smoker, but in my country prices
> > >of cigarettes will go to 3 and more euro per
> > >packet so that would mean and of smoking ;)
> >
> > I never normally had asthma but a couple of times I had attacks when I
> > still lived in England, once when driving and my passenger lit up, and
> > once in the non-smoking carriage of a commuter train when the man
> > opposite lit up.
> >
> > These days I have impaired lung function which makes things like
> > second hand smoking much, much worse due to scarring on my right lung
> > after it collapsed and consequent breathig difficulties.

>
> Cigarettes are not that bad. Once my wife and I were in restaurant and
> one guy lit *cigar*. Oh boy, how that suffocates even me (Im heavy
> smoker).

In most casinos in the USA, cigarettes are permissable but cigars are forbidden.

Hägar

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:29:44 PM7/16/12

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"MelissA" <me...@a.com> wrote in message
news:ju1lln$jht$5...@news.albasani.net...

And then you became a girl ... MelissA ????

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:36:32 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 11:05:35 AM UTC-7, Mike Painter wrote:
> On 7/16/2012 9:57 AM, Joe Bruno wrote:

> > The way I figure it, your lungs are exposed to more dangerous fumes when you
> > drive down the freeway with your window open than from secondhand smoke.
> > Two ancedotes tell me all I need to know about cigarette smoke:
> >
> > 1.My grandmother died from lung cancer at age 73 and she never smoked a day in her life.
>
> My great grandfather died in his 80's and never had a cavity, therefore
> no one does.

HUH?I said nothing even resembling that. What the hell are you babbling about?
>
> >
> > 2.I know Navy sailors who smoked for 30 years and never got cancer.
>
> And how many did?

I don't know and neither do you.Non-sequitor.

> >
> > Most of the cancer danger is hereditary.It runs in the genetic makeup of families, just like diabetes. The same is true of high blood pressure and
> > heart disease.Everyone in my immediate family has high blood pressure.
> >

> Those are in fact anecdotes and are clearly contradicted by statistics
> and science.
> If your claim was true then the incident of cancer would be a constant
> and not tied to an increase or decrease of smoking.

There has been a correlation established between cigarrettes and cancer, but correlation does not equal causation.

>
> There are in fact many forms of cancer that are never seen in non smokers.

My brother and uncle died of cancer and neither of them smoked.
My Mother had a tumor and did not smoke. I have smoked for 10 years and never had any kind of cancer.

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:38:11 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 11:11:13 AM UTC-7, HVAC wrote:
> On 7/16/2012 12:57 PM, Joe Bruno wrote:

> >
> >
> > Most of the cancer danger is hereditary.It runs in the genetic makeup of families, just like diabetes. The same is true of high blood pressure and
> > heart disease.Everyone in my immediate family has high blood pressure.
>
>
> So then it's a good idea for you to have a stressful job and eat lots of
> salt?

I neither said nor implied any such thing.

Your logic is dangerous at best, fatal at worst.

Yours is non-existant.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --

Syd M.

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:45:15 PM7/16/12

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On Jul 16, 8:55 am, BroilJAB <DesignDen...@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> In fact, your 'increased risk of cancer'
> is 10X MORE merely from drinking a
> simple glass of milk, than in 'being
> exposed to 2nd hand smoke'. Any
> woman who has had an Abortion is
> 100X more likely to get cancer than
> if 'exposed to second hand smoking'.
>
> Did you ever notice or read, Joe, that
> narrative I post several times a year
> on 'the world's leading evolutionist'
> Sir Ronald E. Fisher who actually
> published junk science for the Tobacco
> Industry.

You mean, that pack of lies you refuse to stop posting?

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 3:56:13 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 12:17:46 PM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:52:41 -0700, Mike Painter

> <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 7/16/2012 10:40 AM, MelissA wrote:
> >> Well, addictiion is not that problem. I had quit for three months
> >> without ever smoking single one without any help.
> >> It is difficult for first two weeks, than it's just psychological
> >> addiction.
> >> Main problem is that I like to smoke (I don;t care about nicotine).

> >>
> >>> >

> >Perhaps for you it isn't, for most it is something that never goes away
> >even if they do stop.

>
> The smoke irritates my damaged lung.

Congestion and irritation caused to lungs by cigarette smoke is reversible by two things

(1)Time away from smoking
(2)Strenuous exercise which causes heavy breathing and increased heart rate,

I exercise 6 days a week. Despite heavy smoking for 10 years, my lungs were
found completely clear in my last chest xray.

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 4:02:48 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 10:30:42 AM UTC-7, HVAC wrote:
> On 7/16/2012 12:46 PM, MarkA wrote:

> > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:51:02 +0200, MelissA wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Joe Bruno<ajt...@cox.net>

> >> wrote:
> >>

> >>> Thus piece appeared on 20/20.

> >>>
> >>>

> >>> Myth: Secondhand Smoke Is a Killer
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm passionate smoker, but in my country prices of cigarettes will go to 3
> >> and more euro per packet so that would mean and of smoking ;)
> >
> > In NY, cigarettes are so expensive that second hand smoke is the only way
> > some smokers can afford their habit!
> >
>
>
> Strangest thing is that mostly it's poor people who smoke.

I doubt that.I've seen lots of well dressed people gambling with big bets smoking heavily in casinos.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> "OK you cunts, let's see what you can do now" -Hit Girl
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjO7kBqTFqo

HVAC

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Jul 16, 2012, 4:17:43 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 4:02 PM, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
>> Strangest thing is that mostly it's poor people who smoke.
>
> I doubt that.I've seen lots of well dressed people gambling with big bets smoking heavily in casinos.

I have the statistics. Do you want them?
Or are you content with you 'casino' poll?

HVAC

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Jul 16, 2012, 4:19:04 PM7/16/12

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On 7/16/2012 3:38 PM, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
>> > Most of the cancer danger is hereditary.It runs in the genetic makeup of families, just like diabetes. The same is true of high blood pressure and
>> > heart disease.Everyone in my immediate family has high blood pressure.
>>
>>
>> So then it's a good idea for you to have a stressful job and eat lots of
>> salt?
>
> I neither said nor implied any such thing.

It's an analogy, Joey.

> Your logic is dangerous at best, fatal at worst.
>
> Yours is non-existant.

I know you are, but what am I?

Joe Bruno

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Jul 16, 2012, 5:57:22 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 1:17:43 PM UTC-7, HVAC wrote:
> On 7/16/2012 4:02 PM, Joe Bruno wrote:

> >
> >> Strangest thing is that mostly it&#39;s poor people who smoke.
> >
> > I doubt that.I've seen lots of well dressed people gambling with big bets smoking heavily in casinos.

>
>
> I have the statistics. Do you want them?

Yes and give me the source so I can verify them myself.
>

Or are you content with you 'casino' poll?

I took no poll. I simply have doubts based on my own experience.

How many of your own ideas are based on polls????????????????

Mike Lovell

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Jul 16, 2012, 6:01:25 PM7/16/12

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> I took no poll. I simply have doubts based on my own experience.
>
> How many of your own ideas are based on polls????????????????

Your experience of attending a place where there are very few poor
people?

If you're really poor, you won't be in a casino. What would you gamble
with, buttons???

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Jul 16, 2012, 6:03:53 PM7/16/12

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On Monday, July 16, 2012 12:36:32 PM UTC-7, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Monday, July 16, 2012 11:05:35 AM UTC-7, Mike Painter wrote:

> > On 7/16/2012 9:57 AM, Joe Bruno wrote:
> > &gt; The way I figure it, your lungs are exposed to more dangerous fumes when you
> > &gt; drive down the freeway with your window open than from secondhand smoke.
> > &gt; Two ancedotes tell me all I need to know about cigarette smoke:
> > &gt;
> > &gt; 1.My grandmother died from lung cancer at age 73 and she never smoked a day in her life.
> >
> > My great grandfather died in his 80&#39;s and never had a cavity, therefore
> > no one does.

>
> HUH?I said nothing even resembling that. What the hell are you babbling about?
> >

> > &gt;
> > &gt; 2.I know Navy sailors who smoked for 30 years and never got cancer.
> >
> > And how many did?
>
> I don't know and neither do you.Non-sequitor.
>
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Most of the cancer danger is hereditary.It runs in the genetic makeup of families, just like diabetes. The same is true of high blood pressure and
> > &gt; heart disease.Everyone in my immediate family has high blood pressure.
> > &gt;

> > Those are in fact anecdotes and are clearly contradicted by statistics

> > and science.
> > If your claim was true then the incident of cancer would be a constant
> > and not tied to an increase or decrease of smoking.

>
> There has been a correlation established between cigarrettes and cancer, but correlation does not equal causation.
>

> >
> > There are in fact many forms of cancer that are never seen in non smokers.

>
> My brother and uncle died of cancer and neither of them smoked.
> My Mother had a tumor and did not smoke. I have smoked for 10 years and never had any kind of cancer.