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Miloch
Mar 8, 2020, 4:16:59 PM3/8/20
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https://jezebel.com/the-catholic-church-is-apparently-fine-with-child-abuse-1842193745
more at
https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
Dioceses have attempted to hide it, to payout survivors of abuse, and now,
according to a report released by ProPublica in conjunction with the Houston
Chronicle, it would appear priests who’ve been credibly accused of abuse have
been finding work in new dioceses abroad with the Church’s blessing.
Starting in 2018, U.S. dioceses began compiling and releasing lists of priests
in their churches who have been credibly accused of sexual abuse. ProPublica and
the Chronicle analyzed 52 of those lists, 30 of which had the highest number of
credibly accused clergy, and found that 51 people on those lists were able to
find work in the Church abroad, some still working with children.
n certain cases, as with Rev. Jose Antonio Pinal, the report found that priests
were not only able to find work in the Catholic Church again but were supported
by fellow clergy and by various dioceses themselves. Pinal, for example, was
kept on the Sacramento payroll so that he might more easily find a new
assignment in Mexico, where he currently lives and serves.
And, unsurprisingly, it would appear that no amount of time spent continuing to
work as a priest, allegedly someone meant to be an example of, facilitate, and
inspire an understanding of God and all their goodness, has provided Pinal any
kind of remorse for the abuse he’s accused of.
“His only advantage over me is that when this happened, he was a minor,” Pinal
said of Ricardo Torres, who alleges he was assaulted by Pinal at 15, “So,
legally, I am screwed. Because of this I had to leave the diocese and the United
States, as you mentioned, for a long period of time (5-6 years).”
Not exactly the kind of response you’d hope to hear from a person who is
alleging to be part of God’s presence on earth, but then again it remains
consistent with kind of attitude the Catholic Church has had regarding these
allegations from the beginning. Pinal, for his part, has multiple letters from
the bishop of his diocese where he was accused, encouraging and supporting his
continued work in the Church years after the allegations were brought forward
and he fled.
“This was a grave failure of judgment and a betrayal of trust,” the current
bishop of Pina’s former dioceses said “The safety of children is our highest
priority. In 1989, those in leadership failed to do so. I must own and atone for
this.” Which, to be honest, just sounds like a lot of empty words coming from a
largely empty institution that, regardless of how many times these kinds of
allegations have come forward, has refused to make any substantial attempt in
addressing the issue.
*
more at
https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
Dioceses have attempted to hide it, to payout survivors of abuse, and now,
according to a report released by ProPublica in conjunction with the Houston
Chronicle, it would appear priests who’ve been credibly accused of abuse have
been finding work in new dioceses abroad with the Church’s blessing.
Starting in 2018, U.S. dioceses began compiling and releasing lists of priests
in their churches who have been credibly accused of sexual abuse. ProPublica and
the Chronicle analyzed 52 of those lists, 30 of which had the highest number of
credibly accused clergy, and found that 51 people on those lists were able to
find work in the Church abroad, some still working with children.
n certain cases, as with Rev. Jose Antonio Pinal, the report found that priests
were not only able to find work in the Catholic Church again but were supported
by fellow clergy and by various dioceses themselves. Pinal, for example, was
kept on the Sacramento payroll so that he might more easily find a new
assignment in Mexico, where he currently lives and serves.
And, unsurprisingly, it would appear that no amount of time spent continuing to
work as a priest, allegedly someone meant to be an example of, facilitate, and
inspire an understanding of God and all their goodness, has provided Pinal any
kind of remorse for the abuse he’s accused of.
“His only advantage over me is that when this happened, he was a minor,” Pinal
said of Ricardo Torres, who alleges he was assaulted by Pinal at 15, “So,
legally, I am screwed. Because of this I had to leave the diocese and the United
States, as you mentioned, for a long period of time (5-6 years).”
Not exactly the kind of response you’d hope to hear from a person who is
alleging to be part of God’s presence on earth, but then again it remains
consistent with kind of attitude the Catholic Church has had regarding these
allegations from the beginning. Pinal, for his part, has multiple letters from
the bishop of his diocese where he was accused, encouraging and supporting his
continued work in the Church years after the allegations were brought forward
and he fled.
“This was a grave failure of judgment and a betrayal of trust,” the current
bishop of Pina’s former dioceses said “The safety of children is our highest
priority. In 1989, those in leadership failed to do so. I must own and atone for
this.” Which, to be honest, just sounds like a lot of empty words coming from a
largely empty institution that, regardless of how many times these kinds of
allegations have come forward, has refused to make any substantial attempt in
addressing the issue.
*
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 8, 2020, 4:25:54 PM3/8/20
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God save us from attractive children.
Catholic prayer.
Catholic prayer.
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 9, 2020, 7:00:01 PM3/9/20
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On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>https://jezebel.com/the-catholic-church-is-apparently-fine-with-child-abuse-1842193745
>
>more at
>https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
>
>The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
But no worse than any other part of male society.
>https://jezebel.com/the-catholic-church-is-apparently-fine-with-child-abuse-1842193745
>
>more at
>https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
>
>The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
the dukester, American-American
Miloch
Mar 9, 2020, 7:26:27 PM3/9/20
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In article <lhid6fpsjq6o6oet5...@4ax.com>, duckg...@cox.net
says...
Dunno, Dukeman...as a teen, was a Lutheran church acolyte for a number of
years...don't recall any of the military Protestant chaplains playing
'touchy-feely' with me.
...of course I'm not sure about the Catholic chaplains.
*
>the dukester, American-American
>
says...
years...don't recall any of the military Protestant chaplains playing
'touchy-feely' with me.
...of course I'm not sure about the Catholic chaplains.
*
>the dukester, American-American
>
LinuxGal
Mar 9, 2020, 8:36:43 PM3/9/20
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--
I have spoken.
https://twitter.com/LinuxGal
Miloch
Mar 9, 2020, 11:35:29 PM3/9/20
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In article <alpine.DEB.2.21.2003091734530.24772@teresita-Latitude-D630>,
LinuxGal says...
vagina?...soft, supple, and well lubricated I trust...
*
LinuxGal says...
>
>On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>
>> On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>>history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>
>> But no worse than any other part of male society.
>
>Ah, yes. The old "the other fellas do it too" defense.
>
Ah...you're back...your time away was productive I presume...and how's your
>On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>
>> On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>>history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>
>> But no worse than any other part of male society.
>
>Ah, yes. The old "the other fellas do it too" defense.
>
vagina?...soft, supple, and well lubricated I trust...
*
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 10, 2020, 6:34:33 PM3/10/20
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On 9 Mar 2020 16:26:10 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>In article <lhid6fpsjq6o6oet5...@4ax.com>, duckg...@cox.net
>says...
>>
>>On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>https://jezebel.com/the-catholic-church-is-apparently-fine-with-child-abuse-1842193745
>>>
>>>more at
>>>https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
>>>
>>>The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>>history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>
>>But no worse than any other part of male society.
>
>Dunno, Dukeman...as a teen, was a Lutheran church acolyte for a number of
>years...don't recall any of the military Protestant chaplains playing
>'touchy-feely' with me.
Nor a priest touching me.
>In article <lhid6fpsjq6o6oet5...@4ax.com>, duckg...@cox.net
>says...
>>
>>On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>https://jezebel.com/the-catholic-church-is-apparently-fine-with-child-abuse-1842193745
>>>
>>>more at
>>>https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
>>>
>>>The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>>history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>
>>But no worse than any other part of male society.
>
>Dunno, Dukeman...as a teen, was a Lutheran church acolyte for a number of
>years...don't recall any of the military Protestant chaplains playing
>'touchy-feely' with me.
>...of course I'm not sure about the Catholic chaplains.
>
>
>
>*
>
>
>
>
>>the dukester, American-American
>>
the dukester, American-American
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 10, 2020, 6:35:17 PM3/10/20
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On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:35:34 -0700, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>
>> On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>> history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>
>> But no worse than any other part of male society.
>
>Ah, yes. The old "the other fellas do it too" defense.
Then why don't the fools admit they understand that too.
>On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>
>> On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>> history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>
>> But no worse than any other part of male society.
>
>Ah, yes. The old "the other fellas do it too" defense.
the dukester, American-American
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 10, 2020, 6:45:07 PM3/10/20
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the dukester, American-American
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 10, 2020, 7:01:18 PM3/10/20
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duke said:
>Then why don't the fools admit they understand that too.
the dukester
Because nobody has resisted, obfuscated, lied, and tried nearly as hard to keep their priests, pastors, chaplains, or whomever from being investigated by civil authorities and sent to prison where they belong.
>Then why don't the fools admit they understand that too.
the dukester
Nobody that we know of has tried so hard to move their clergy to hide them.
Nobody else that we know of has been as uncooperative with law enforcement.
Nobody else that we know of has sent suspected child molesters to other places where they would again be in charge of children for them to abuse.
They didn't have sense enough to move them to a position that didn't put them near the people they were suspected of molesting.
Nobody has been quite so deliberate in keeping their clergy from being tried for their crimes.
Nobody has been quite so evil.
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 10, 2020, 7:04:52 PM3/10/20
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As it became clear that there was truth to many of the allegations and that there was a pattern of cover-ups in a number of large dioceses across the United States, the issue became a nationwide scandal, creating a crisis for the Catholic Church in the United States. Though the sex abuse cases are not unique in comparison to other countries, the sex abuse crisis in the United States is more conspicuous due to the behavior and reaction (or lack thereof) from the clergy and the Vatican.[3] Allegations in the United States also encouraged victims in other nations to come forward, rapidly creating a global crisis for the Church. Over many decades, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church had sexually abused children, principally boys, on such a large scale, that the accusations reached into the thousands.[4]
“The majority of accused priests in the United States (55.7%) had one formal allegation of abuse made against them, 26.4% had two or three allegations, 17.8% had four to nine allegations, and 3.5% had ten or more allegations”.[5] A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.
From Wikipedia
“The majority of accused priests in the United States (55.7%) had one formal allegation of abuse made against them, 26.4% had two or three allegations, 17.8% had four to nine allegations, and 3.5% had ten or more allegations”.[5] A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.
From Wikipedia
LinuxGal
Mar 10, 2020, 8:32:14 PM3/10/20
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duckg...@cox.net
Mar 11, 2020, 7:03:33 PM3/11/20
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:01:12 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>duke said:
>
>>Then why don't the fools admit they understand that too.
>the dukester
>
>Because nobody has resisted, obfuscated, lied, and tried nearly as hard to keep their priests, pastors, chaplains, or whomever from being investigated by civil authorities and sent to prison where they belong.
Gosh, should they at least be charged and investigated.
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>duke said:
>
>>Then why don't the fools admit they understand that too.
>the dukester
>
>Because nobody has resisted, obfuscated, lied, and tried nearly as hard to keep their priests, pastors, chaplains, or whomever from being investigated by civil authorities and sent to prison where they belong.
>Nobody that we know of has tried so hard to move their clergy to hide them.
>Nobody else that we know of has been as uncooperative with law enforcement.
>Nobody else that we know of has sent suspected child molesters to other places where they would again be in charge of children for them to abuse.
>They didn't have sense enough to move them to a position that didn't put them near the people they were suspected of molesting.
>Nobody has been quite so deliberate in keeping their clergy from being tried for their crimes.
>Nobody has been quite so evil.
the dukester, American-American
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 11, 2020, 7:35:11 PM3/11/20
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Fat fuck Earl said:
>Nobody as been quite so stupid as you are.
That's just you being modest again.
>Nobody as been quite so stupid as you are.
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 12, 2020, 3:16:33 PM3/12/20
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the dukester, American-American
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 12, 2020, 8:18:12 PM3/12/20
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duke lied:
>Because nobody has resisted, obfuscated, lied, and tried nearly as hard to keep their priests, pastors, chaplains, or whomever from being investigated by civil authorities and sent to prison where they belong.
>Gosh, should they at least be charged and investigated.
Yes, but if such investigations are blocked and the suspects shipped around to hide them from being investigated, then it becomes much more difficult to charge them when the evidence is sufficient enough to warrant it.
But that's what the RCC did.
The only reasonable conclusion is that they knew the problem existed and tried to hide it whenever possible.
To make it worse one of the most egregious obstructionist was Cardinal Mahoney who sought not to find out if there was cause to investigate and charge the pedophiles, but to deny law enforcement from their job.
He already knew the problem existed and worked very hard to keep it a secret. Instead of being charged with obstruction, the RCC promoted him to the Vatican.
That you refuse to accept that the problem is still there, speaks volumes about your honesty and integrity.
Not that anyone is convinced that a racist, misogynistic, fool like you has either.
>>Nobody that we know of has tried so hard to move their clergy to hide them.
>>Nobody else that we know of has been as uncooperative with law enforcement.
>>Nobody else that we know of has sent suspected child molesters to other places where they would again be in charge of children for them to abuse.
>>They didn't have sense enough to move them to a position that didn't put them near the people they were suspected of molesting.
>>Nobody has been quite so deliberate in keeping their clergy from being tried for their crimes.
>>Nobody has been quite so evil.
>Nobody as been quite so stupid as you are.
And nobody has been quite as evil as the RCC in trying to keep suspected child molesters from being investigated. If they had not engaged in coverups and obfuscation, as well as obstruction, not to mention taking proper steps on their own to root out the pedophiles.
There are none so blind...
>Because nobody has resisted, obfuscated, lied, and tried nearly as hard to keep their priests, pastors, chaplains, or whomever from being investigated by civil authorities and sent to prison where they belong.
>Gosh, should they at least be charged and investigated.
But that's what the RCC did.
The only reasonable conclusion is that they knew the problem existed and tried to hide it whenever possible.
To make it worse one of the most egregious obstructionist was Cardinal Mahoney who sought not to find out if there was cause to investigate and charge the pedophiles, but to deny law enforcement from their job.
He already knew the problem existed and worked very hard to keep it a secret. Instead of being charged with obstruction, the RCC promoted him to the Vatican.
That you refuse to accept that the problem is still there, speaks volumes about your honesty and integrity.
Not that anyone is convinced that a racist, misogynistic, fool like you has either.
>>Nobody that we know of has tried so hard to move their clergy to hide them.
>>Nobody else that we know of has been as uncooperative with law enforcement.
>>Nobody else that we know of has sent suspected child molesters to other places where they would again be in charge of children for them to abuse.
>>They didn't have sense enough to move them to a position that didn't put them near the people they were suspected of molesting.
>>Nobody has been quite so deliberate in keeping their clergy from being tried for their crimes.
>>Nobody has been quite so evil.
>Nobody as been quite so stupid as you are.
There are none so blind...
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 12, 2020, 8:29:49 PM3/12/20
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VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis’ high-stakes sex abuse prevention summit is meant to call attention to the crisis as a global problem that requires a global response.
His decision was sparked by the realization that in many parts of the world, bishops and religious superiors continue to deny or play down the severity of the scandal and protect their priests and the reputation of the church at all costs.
Much of the developing world has largely escaped a public expl
osion of the scandal, as have conflict zones and countries where Catholics are a minority.
But even majority Catholic countries have lagged. Just this week, the online resource BishopAccountability listed Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Congo and a handful of other heavily Catholic countries as places where the church leadership has failed to respond adequately when priests rape and molest children.
See more here: https://apnews.com/8cb4daf509464bad8c13ef35d44a0fc5
His decision was sparked by the realization that in many parts of the world, bishops and religious superiors continue to deny or play down the severity of the scandal and protect their priests and the reputation of the church at all costs.
Much of the developing world has largely escaped a public expl
osion of the scandal, as have conflict zones and countries where Catholics are a minority.
But even majority Catholic countries have lagged. Just this week, the online resource BishopAccountability listed Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Congo and a handful of other heavily Catholic countries as places where the church leadership has failed to respond adequately when priests rape and molest children.
See more here: https://apnews.com/8cb4daf509464bad8c13ef35d44a0fc5
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 13, 2020, 2:10:50 PM3/13/20
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On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:18:08 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>duke lied:
>>Because nobody has resisted, obfuscated, lied, and tried nearly as hard to keep their priests, pastors, chaplains, or whomever from being investigated by civil authorities and sent to prison where they belong.
NOt me. I'm fully in favor of locking the pedo up, once fund guilty.
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>duke lied:
>>Because nobody has resisted, obfuscated, lied, and tried nearly as hard to keep their priests, pastors, chaplains, or whomever from being investigated by civil authorities and sent to prison where they belong.
>>Gosh, should they at least be charged and investigated.
>Yes, but if such investigations are blocked and the suspects shipped around to hide them from being investigated, then it becomes much more difficult to charge them when the evidence is sufficient enough to warrant it.
how the RCC solved the problem. You act like nobody has done anything yet the
pedophilia issues is doa in the US.
>
>But that's what the RCC did.
How do you investigate a situation which has no witnesses, no evidence, no law
>But that's what the RCC did.
broken. And now we see a new trend to make pedophilia available.
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/
EU government opposes proposed law that would stop pedophilia
https://demonic.news/2019-12-04-eu-government-opposes-proposed-law-that-would-stop
US Laws Have Legalized Pedophilia With Children As Young ...
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/us-laws-legalized-pedophilia-children
The Pedophile Project: Your 7-Year-Old Is A Target
https://thefederalist.com/2019/02/21/pedophile-project-7-year-old-next-sexual...
Activists for normalizing pedophilia are on the move. Public acceptance of adult
sex with children is the next domino poised to fall in identity politics. I
>The only reasonable conclusion is that they knew the problem existed and tried to hide it whenever possible.
You're making with comments with mo forethought.
>
>To make it worse one of the most egregious obstructionist was Cardinal Mahoney who sought not to find out if there was cause to investigate and charge the pedophiles, but to deny law enforcement from their job.
>He already knew the problem existed and worked very hard to keep it a secret. Instead of being charged with obstruction, the RCC promoted him to the Vatican.
>
>That you refuse to accept that the problem is still there, speaks volumes about your honesty and integrity.
>Not that anyone is convinced that a racist, misogynistic, fool like you has either.
>
>>>Nobody that we know of has tried so hard to move their clergy to hide them.
>>>Nobody else that we know of has been as uncooperative with law enforcement.
>>>Nobody else that we know of has sent suspected child molesters to other places where they would again be in charge of children for them to abuse.
>>>They didn't have sense enough to move them to a position that didn't put them near the people they were suspected of molesting.
>>>Nobody has been quite so deliberate in keeping their clergy from being tried for their crimes.
>>>Nobody has been quite so evil.
>
>>Nobody as been quite so stupid as you are.
>
>And nobody has been quite as evil as the RCC in trying to keep suspected child molesters from being investigated. If they had not engaged in coverups and obfuscation, as well as obstruction, not to mention taking proper steps on their own to root out the pedophiles.
>
>There are none so blind...
the dukester, American-American
>To make it worse one of the most egregious obstructionist was Cardinal Mahoney who sought not to find out if there was cause to investigate and charge the pedophiles, but to deny law enforcement from their job.
>He already knew the problem existed and worked very hard to keep it a secret. Instead of being charged with obstruction, the RCC promoted him to the Vatican.
>
>That you refuse to accept that the problem is still there, speaks volumes about your honesty and integrity.
>Not that anyone is convinced that a racist, misogynistic, fool like you has either.
>
>>>Nobody that we know of has tried so hard to move their clergy to hide them.
>>>Nobody else that we know of has been as uncooperative with law enforcement.
>>>Nobody else that we know of has sent suspected child molesters to other places where they would again be in charge of children for them to abuse.
>>>They didn't have sense enough to move them to a position that didn't put them near the people they were suspected of molesting.
>>>Nobody has been quite so deliberate in keeping their clergy from being tried for their crimes.
>>>Nobody has been quite so evil.
>
>>Nobody as been quite so stupid as you are.
>
>And nobody has been quite as evil as the RCC in trying to keep suspected child molesters from being investigated. If they had not engaged in coverups and obfuscation, as well as obstruction, not to mention taking proper steps on their own to root out the pedophiles.
>
>There are none so blind...
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 13, 2020, 2:12:22 PM3/13/20
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On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:29:46 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis’ high-stakes sex abuse prevention summit is meant to call attention to the crisis as a global problem that requires a global response.
>
>His decision was sparked by the realization that in many parts of the world, bishops and religious superiors continue to deny or play down the severity of the scandal and protect their priests and the reputation of the church at all costs.
The problem has been defeated in the US effective the 1990's
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis’ high-stakes sex abuse prevention summit is meant to call attention to the crisis as a global problem that requires a global response.
>
>His decision was sparked by the realization that in many parts of the world, bishops and religious superiors continue to deny or play down the severity of the scandal and protect their priests and the reputation of the church at all costs.
>Much of the developing world has largely escaped a public expl
>osion of the scandal, as have conflict zones and countries where Catholics are a minority.
>
>But even majority Catholic countries have lagged. Just this week, the online resource BishopAccountability listed Brazil, Mexico, the Philippines, Congo and a handful of other heavily Catholic countries as places where the church leadership has failed to respond adequately when priests rape and molest children.
>
>See more here: https://apnews.com/8cb4daf509464bad8c13ef35d44a0fc5
>
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 13, 2020, 2:15:05 PM3/13/20
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On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 17:31:32 -0700, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:35:34 -0700, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>>>> history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>>>
>>>> But no worse than any other part of male society.
>>>
>>> Ah, yes. The old "the other fellas do it too" defense.
>>
>> Then why don't the fools admit they understand that too.
Whyh are you so anxious to see the pedo issue continue in other parts of
>On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:35:34 -0700, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 Mar 2020 13:16:46 -0700, Miloch <Miloch...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
>>>>> history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
>>>>
>>>> But no worse than any other part of male society.
>>>
>>> Ah, yes. The old "the other fellas do it too" defense.
>>
>> Then why don't the fools admit they understand that too.
society. It's so prevalent in other parts of society that is not RCC related
and that's ok with you.
>Because it's a shit-poor excuse that toddlers invented.
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 13, 2020, 3:01:11 PM3/13/20
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Duke said:
>Whyh are you so anxious to see the pedo issue continue in other parts of
society. It's so prevalent in other parts of society that is not RCC related
and that's ok with you.
No, it's not, its just that the evidence for the RCC still covering up and putting children at risk continues to be revealed.
>Whyh are you so anxious to see the pedo issue continue in other parts of
society. It's so prevalent in other parts of society that is not RCC related
and that's ok with you.
From the same AP article:
Some countries where the scandal has played out visibly in recent years:
ARGENTINA
Francis’ home country is beginning to see an eruption of the scandal, with some cases even implicating the pontiff himself.
ARGENTINA
Francis’ home country is beginning to see an eruption of the scandal, with some cases even implicating the pontiff himself.
As Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Francis played a decisive and divisive role in Argentina’s most famous abuse case, commissioning a four-volume, 2,000-plus page forensic study of the legal case against a convicted priest that concluded he was innocent, that his victims were lying and that the case never should have gone to trial.
Despite the study, Argentina’s Supreme Court in 2017 upheld the conviction and 15-year prison sentence for the Rev. Giulio Grassi, a celebrity priest who ran homes for street children across Argentina.
More recently, an Argentine bishop close to Francis, Bishop Gustavo Zanchetta, was placed under investigation for alleged sexual misconduct. Francis had brought Zanchetta to the Vatican and given him a high-ranking job after he resigned suddenly from his post in 2017. The Vatican insists no allegation of sexual abuse was lodged until last year, but local church officials said they raised the alarm about inappropriate behavior in 2015.
___
AUSTRALIA
Australia’s Catholic Church has a horrific abuse record, which in part prompted the government to launch a four-year national investigation into all forms of institutional abuse — Catholic and otherwise.
The landmark survey found 4,444 people were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions between 1980 and 2015.
The Royal Commission investigation, Australia’s highest form of inquiry, deduced that 7 percent of Catholic priests in Australia between 1950 and 2010 had been accused of sexually abusing children.
CHILE
Francis discovered first-hand just how pervasive clerical sex abuse is — and how effectively it has been covered up by the Catholic hierarchy — when in January 2018 he branded as “calumny” accusations of cover-up against a Chilean bishop he had strongly defended.
After realizing his error, Francis did an about-face: He ordered a Vatican investigation, apologized in person to the victims he had discredited, and strong-armed the entire Chilean hierarchy to tender their resignations.
It wasn’t enough. Chilean criminal prosecutors have staged a series of raids on the church’s secret archives to seize documents. They have opened more than 100 investigations into abusive priests and have questioned the current and former archbishops of Santiago about allegations they covered up the crimes.
___
FRANCE
One of France’s most prominent cardinals, Philippe Barbarin, went on trial this year on charges he covered up for a known pedophile. Prosecutors, however, have asked for the case to be dropped since the statute of limitations has expired.
Barbarin and five other French defendants were accused of knowing that the Rev. Bernard Preynat sexually abused young scouts but didn’t report him to police. Preynat, now in his 70s, has confessed in letters to victims’ parents and meetings with his superiors, including Barbarin.
Barbarin, 67, has admitted to “mistakes” in the management and nominations of priests, but has denied any attempt to cover up the Preynat case.
___
GERMANY
In September, the German Catholic Church released a devastating report that concluded at least 3,677 people were abused by clergy between 1946 and 2014.
More than half the victims were 13 or younger and most were boys. Every sixth case involved rape and at least 1,670 clergy were involved. Some 969 abuse victims were altar boys.
While the report was an effort at transparency, the researchers who compiled it complained they didn’t have access to original files, and said there was evidence that some files were manipulated or destroyed.
___
IRELAND
Judge-led investigations have produced four mammoth reports since 2005 into the church’s wretched record in dealing with predator priests, helping to dismantle the Catholic Church’s once- dominant influence in Irish society and politics.
The reports have detailed how tens of thousands of children suffered wide-ranging abuses in church-run workhouse-style institutions, how Irish bishops shuttled known pedophiles throughout Ireland and to unwitting parishes in the U.S. and Australia, and how Dublin bishops didn’t tell police of any crimes until forced by the weight of lawsuits in the mid-1990s.
One of the final investigations, into the diocese of Cloyne, found that officials there were still shielding suspected pedophiles from the law until 2008 — more than 12 years after the Irish church unveiled a policy requiring the mandatory reporting of all suspected crimes to police.
That policy, however, was rejected by the Vatican in 1997 as undermining canon law — a position that, combined with the Vatican’s refusal to cooperate in the Irish fact-finding probes, prompted the Cloyne inquiry to find the Vatican itself culpable in promoting the culture of cover-up.
___
ITALY
Clergy sex abuse in the Vatican’s backyard has long been a taboo subject, but that is beginning to change.
Earlier this month, Italy was taken to task for its failure to properly police the Catholic Church by the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child. The committee called for an independent inquiry into what it said was the abnormally low number of investigations and prosecutions of child sex abuse committed by priests.
In Italy, there is no legal requirement for clergy to report suspected sexual abuse to police.
___
UNITED STATES
After the abuse scandal erupted in Boston in 2002, U.S. bishops adopted the toughest anti-abuse norms in the Catholic Church, a “one strike and you’re out” policy that removes any priest from ministry if he commits a single act of abuse that is admitted to or established.
The norms require dioceses to report allegations to police and have a lay-led review board to receive and assess claims.
The U.S. scandal was revived in June with revelations that one of the cardinals who drafted the 2002 policy, the retired archbishop of Washington, Theodore McCarrick, himself had been accused of molesting at least two minors as well as adult seminarians.
Just last week, Francis defrocked McCarrick after a Vatican tribunal found him guilty of misconduct with minors, adults and soliciting sex during confession. He hasn’t commented on his conviction.
The scandal exploded anew in August with the Pennsylvania grand jury report finding some 300 priests sexually abused at least 1,000 children in six dioceses since the 1940s. Since then, prosecutors in more than a dozen U.S. states have announced similar investigations.
___
VATICAN CITY
While only a few hundred people live in the world’s tiniest sovereign state, Vatican City’s criminal jurisdiction covers the Holy See’s global diplomatic corps, and two priestly diplomats have faced trial in recent years.
In 2018, the Vatican tribunal convicted Monsignor Carlo Capella of possession and distribution of child pornography and sentenced him to five years in prison. Capella admitted to viewing the images during a period of “fragility” and interior crisis sparked by his job transfer to the Vatican Embassy in Washington.
In 2013, the Vatican charged its then-ambassador to the Dominican Republic, Monsignor Jozef Wesolowski, with sexually abusing young boys. Wesolowski was defrocked by the Vatican’s church court, but he died before a criminal trial got underway.
Just last week, a third diplomat was placed under investigation in France for alleged “sexual aggression.” The Vatican has acknowledged seeing reports of the investigation into its ambassador to France, Archbishop Luigi Ventura, but has not commented further.
The Vatican City State has no policy on its books to protect children or require reporting of sex crimes to police.
________________
When the church stops allowing pedophiles to escape and hide from law enforcement, maybe I will stop pointing out their vile history.
Maybe not.
Cloud Hobbit
Mar 13, 2020, 3:03:09 PM3/13/20
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Duke said:
>The problem has been defeated in the US effective the 1990's
Not convinced yet.
>The problem has been defeated in the US effective the 1990's
The RCC is in many countries and is not responding forcefully, or at all.
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 14, 2020, 6:56:37 PM3/14/20
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:03:04 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Duke said:
>
>>The problem has been defeated in the US effective the 1990's
You're not known for your intelligence.
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Duke said:
>
>>The problem has been defeated in the US effective the 1990's
>Not convinced yet.
You're too dense. If you got your head out of your ass, you could easily note
that the pedo priest problem ended in the 1990's in the US.
the dukester, American-American
duckg...@cox.net
Mar 14, 2020, 6:58:18 PM3/14/20
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:01:06 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Duke said:
>
>>Whyh are you so anxious to see the pedo issue continue in other parts of
>society. It's so prevalent in other parts of society that is not RCC related
>and that's ok with you.
>No, it's not, its just that the evidence for the RCC still covering up and putting children at risk continues to be revealed.
NOt in the US.
<youngbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Duke said:
>
>>Whyh are you so anxious to see the pedo issue continue in other parts of
>society. It's so prevalent in other parts of society that is not RCC related
>and that's ok with you.
>No, it's not, its just that the evidence for the RCC still covering up and putting children at risk continues to be revealed.
the dukester, American-American
LinuxGal
Mar 14, 2020, 6:58:24 PM3/14/20
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On Sat, 14 Mar 2020, duckg...@cox.net wrote:
> You're too dense. If you got your head out of your ass, you could easily note
> that the pedo priest problem ended in the 1990's in the US.
Sure, Duke, that's why Father Andrew Greeley called 2002 the
> You're too dense. If you got your head out of your ass, you could easily note
> that the pedo priest problem ended in the 1990's in the US.
Year of the Pedophile.
Mattb
Mar 14, 2020, 9:07:11 PM3/14/20
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to condemn and forgive for sin? Wouldn't such men not be pedophiles?
Are you claiming they are fakes and all confessions done by them is
false?
>the dukester, American-American
tesla sTinker
Mar 15, 2020, 1:02:57 AM3/15/20
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oh your so full of shit, what a crock of crap.
YOU, do not believe in God.
what does this say? Leviticus. Home of the Levis.
"Of all the tithes of oxen, and sheep, and goats, that pass under the
shepherd's rod, every tenth that cometh shall be sanctified to the Lord. "
And that means buster, you owe Him one tenth of what comes to you. And
you cannot do that? Ha, wait until you meet your maker. He will laugh
at your ass. And if you think Cesar has a say, that is an ass hole if I
ever seen of one. God has set His Precept laws, and that, is not one of
them. Go to hell Novus Ordo Freemasons. You, are targeted mother
fuckers. And are not Popes. And if you do not know what a rifle scope
is, your more dumb than the fucking donald duck Trump idiot who loves
you. What a quack. Its obvious, you do not believe in God. You are
really scared of them the rotten satanist. Ha. Wait until God, sends
them to hell. Then what ar
On 3/8/2020 1:16 PM, Miloch scribbled:
> according to a report released by ProPublica in conjunction with the Houston
> Chronicle, it would appear priests who’ve been credibly accused of abuse have
> been finding work in new dioceses abroad with the Church’s blessing.
>
> Starting in 2018, U.S. dioceses began compiling and releasing lists of priests
> in their churches who have been credibly accused of sexual abuse. ProPublica and
> the Chronicle analyzed 52 of those lists, 30 of which had the highest number of
> credibly accused clergy, and found that 51 people on those lists were able to
> find work in the Church abroad, some still working with children.
>
> n certain cases, as with Rev. Jose Antonio Pinal, the report found that priests
> were not only able to find work in the Catholic Church again but were supported
> by fellow clergy and by various dioceses themselves. Pinal, for example, was
> kept on the Sacramento payroll so that he might more easily find a new
> assignment in Mexico, where he currently lives and serves.
>
> And, unsurprisingly, it would appear that no amount of time spent continuing to
> work as a priest, allegedly someone meant to be an example of, facilitate, and
> inspire an understanding of God and all their goodness, has provided Pinal any
> kind of remorse for the abuse he’s accused of.
>
> “His only advantage over me is that when this happened, he was a minor,” Pinal
> said of Ricardo Torres, who alleges he was assaulted by Pinal at 15, “So,
> legally, I am screwed. Because of this I had to leave the diocese and the United
> States, as you mentioned, for a long period of time (5-6 years).”
>
> Not exactly the kind of response you’d hope to hear from a person who is
> alleging to be part of God’s presence on earth, but then again it remains
> consistent with kind of attitude the Catholic Church has had regarding these
> allegations from the beginning. Pinal, for his part, has multiple letters from
> the bishop of his diocese where he was accused, encouraging and supporting his
> continued work in the Church years after the allegations were brought forward
> and he fled.
>
> “This was a grave failure of judgment and a betrayal of trust,” the current
> bishop of Pina’s former dioceses said “The safety of children is our highest
> priority. In 1989, those in leadership failed to do so. I must own and atone for
> this.” Which, to be honest, just sounds like a lot of empty words coming from a
> largely empty institution that, regardless of how many times these kinds of
> allegations have come forward, has refused to make any substantial attempt in
> addressing the issue.
>
>
>
>
> *
>
YOU, do not believe in God.
what does this say? Leviticus. Home of the Levis.
"Of all the tithes of oxen, and sheep, and goats, that pass under the
shepherd's rod, every tenth that cometh shall be sanctified to the Lord. "
And that means buster, you owe Him one tenth of what comes to you. And
you cannot do that? Ha, wait until you meet your maker. He will laugh
at your ass. And if you think Cesar has a say, that is an ass hole if I
ever seen of one. God has set His Precept laws, and that, is not one of
them. Go to hell Novus Ordo Freemasons. You, are targeted mother
fuckers. And are not Popes. And if you do not know what a rifle scope
is, your more dumb than the fucking donald duck Trump idiot who loves
you. What a quack. Its obvious, you do not believe in God. You are
really scared of them the rotten satanist. Ha. Wait until God, sends
them to hell. Then what ar
On 3/8/2020 1:16 PM, Miloch scribbled:
> https://jezebel.com/the-catholic-church-is-apparently-fine-with-child-abuse-1842193745
>
> more at
> https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
>
> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
> history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
> Dioceses have attempted to hide it, to payout survivors of abuse, and now,
>
> more at
> https://www.propublica.org/article/dozens-of-catholic-priests-credibly-accused-of-abuse-found-work-abroad-some-with-the-churchs-blessing
>
> The Catholic Church has a well-documented, albeit severely under-addressed,
> history of child abuse that has occurred at the hands of its priest for decades.
> according to a report released by ProPublica in conjunction with the Houston
> Chronicle, it would appear priests who’ve been credibly accused of abuse have
> been finding work in new dioceses abroad with the Church’s blessing.
>
> Starting in 2018, U.S. dioceses began compiling and releasing lists of priests
> in their churches who have been credibly accused of sexual abuse. ProPublica and
> the Chronicle analyzed 52 of those lists, 30 of which had the highest number of
> credibly accused clergy, and found that 51 people on those lists were able to
> find work in the Church abroad, some still working with children.
>
> n certain cases, as with Rev. Jose Antonio Pinal, the report found that priests
> were not only able to find work in the Catholic Church again but were supported
> by fellow clergy and by various dioceses themselves. Pinal, for example, was
> kept on the Sacramento payroll so that he might more easily find a new
> assignment in Mexico, where he currently lives and serves.
>
> And, unsurprisingly, it would appear that no amount of time spent continuing to
> work as a priest, allegedly someone meant to be an example of, facilitate, and
> inspire an understanding of God and all their goodness, has provided Pinal any
> kind of remorse for the abuse he’s accused of.
>
> “His only advantage over me is that when this happened, he was a minor,” Pinal
> said of Ricardo Torres, who alleges he was assaulted by Pinal at 15, “So,
> legally, I am screwed. Because of this I had to leave the diocese and the United
> States, as you mentioned, for a long period of time (5-6 years).”
>
> Not exactly the kind of response you’d hope to hear from a person who is
> alleging to be part of God’s presence on earth, but then again it remains
> consistent with kind of attitude the Catholic Church has had regarding these
> allegations from the beginning. Pinal, for his part, has multiple letters from
> the bishop of his diocese where he was accused, encouraging and supporting his
> continued work in the Church years after the allegations were brought forward
> and he fled.
>
> “This was a grave failure of judgment and a betrayal of trust,” the current
> bishop of Pina’s former dioceses said “The safety of children is our highest
> priority. In 1989, those in leadership failed to do so. I must own and atone for
> this.” Which, to be honest, just sounds like a lot of empty words coming from a
> largely empty institution that, regardless of how many times these kinds of
> allegations have come forward, has refused to make any substantial attempt in
> addressing the issue.
>
>
>
>
> *
>
Kevrob
Mar 15, 2020, 1:39:45 AM3/15/20
to
On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 1:02:57 AM UTC-4, tesla sTinker wrote:
> oh your so full of shit, what a crock of crap.
> YOU, do not believe in God.
>
> what does this say? ....-
> oh your so full of shit, what a crock of crap.
> YOU, do not believe in God.
>
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