Nazis "adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin"
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
in the Third Reich_ (Urbana and Chicago: University of Illinois
Press), 297pp. On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Racism-Genocide-Anthropology-Third-Reich/dp/025207453X
On 123-4, two paragraphs from the section "_Auslese_, _Ausmerzen_, and
Anthropological Theory":
Establishing dominance would require the Germans
to pursue an extreme form of social Darwinism. In
doing so, they adopted not only the vocabulary of
Darwin but the vocabulary of the vineyard.
_Auslese_, or selection, is a common German word
used regularly in reference to the production of
good wine, and it sometimes appears on bottles,
indicating that inferior grapes had been sorted out
before processing. Likewise, the word
_Ausmerzen_, a term used in the breeding of
sheep, is the process by which a negative selection
is made between the animals acceptable for
breeding and inferior animals-- those destined for
slaughter.31 These words became the standard
parlance of the Nazis as they spoke of human
beings who were identified for continued use for the
Reich or for destruction.32
On what basis were people selected? The racial
investigators would say, "on the basis of German
blood." Yet, no blood tests were done, and no basis
in fact existed for determining who was a "real"
German. And because the blood of human beings
does not reveal racial differences, such tests would
have been fruitless anyway. In practice, the people
living in Germany who were neither Jews, Roma,
nor any other darker-skinned minority and who were
neither physically nor mentally disabled were part of
the Auslese, the positive selection of the folk. The
others would be _ausgemerzt_, or selected out for
"resettlement" in the east.
2004 Kater
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1126795817.956842.104430%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.
"Resettlement" refers to extermination:
Koster, Jr., John P. 1989. _The Atheist Syndrome_ (Brentwood,
Tennessee: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, Publishers, Inc.), 199pp. Two
paragraphs on 154:
By the beginning of 1942, the Nazis had come
into possession of several million Jews in
countries they had conquered or otherwise
occupied. At a conference in Wannsee, a
suburb of Berlin, Reinhard Heydrich, second
in command of the Nazi S.S., explained what
was to be done with the remaining Jews.
The Jews should be sent to the Eastern territories
as laborers, the sexes being separated. They
should be employed in building roads as they
move eastward, and no doubt a large part of
them will be eliminated by natural diminution.
The survivors, the hardiest among them, must
be given an appropriate treatment, because
they represent a natural selection, and if they
were allowed to go free, they would be the
seedbed for a new efflorescence of Jewry.
Witness the examples of history. In the course
of the final solution, Europe will be raked over
from west to east. The Jews thus evacuated
will be transported by train to temporary
ghettos, and from these ghettos they will be
dispatched farther and farther east.^6
Note two phrases: _appropriate treatment_,
like _special treatment_, is a Nazi euphemism
for deliberate execution, as opposed to death
by overwork or neglect. The term _natural
selection_, of course, and the idea that the
survivors might live to breed a sturdier race, is
right out of Darwin.
^6: Robert Payne, _The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler_ (New York:
Praeger Publishers, 1973), p. 466.
Compare with Heydrich this Eichmann:
Gould, Stephen Jay. 1995. _Dinosaur in a Haystack: Reflections in
Natural History_ (NY: Crown Trade Paperbacks), 480pp. On 314 and 315,
Gould quotes from Adolf Eichmann's Wannsee Protocol, which summarized
the 20 January 1942 Wannsee Conference discussions among Himmler,
Heydrich, Eichmann, etc.:
...."Marriage between persons of mixed blood
of the first degree and persons of mixed blood
of the second degree: Both partners will be
evacuated, regardless of whether or not they
have children... Since as a rule these children
will racially reveal the admixture of Jewish
blood more strongly than persons of mixed
blood of the second degree." ....
I... inserted ellipses to signify an omission
that I now wish to restore.
Eichmann speaks of deportation to the east,
and of hard labor on the roads, leading to the
death of most evacuees. He then continues (to
flesh out my ellipses): "The possible final
remnant will, as it must undoubtedly consist
of the toughest, have to be treated accordingly
... " Let me now switch to the original
German: "..._da dieser, eine naturliche
Auslese darstellend, bei Freilassung als
Keimzelle eines neuen judischen Aufbaues
anzusprechen ist_." Or: "... as it is the
_product of natural selection_, and would, if
liberated, act as a bud cell of a Jewish
reconstruction."
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in defense of 'social Darwinism'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138804191.265126.90500%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Draft 2 of a chronology of Darwinian thought and the march to the
Final Solution
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1122434358.640904.162640%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1938 Shull: "Admixture of white blood is...related to
professional...success of the Negro."; Darwin; Huxley
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142222711.810377.220200%40j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1874 Darwin: "mongrel population of Negroes and Portuguese....
population of mingled Polynesian and English blood....
population of Polynesians and Negritos crossed in all degrees....
a much crossed race of Portuguese and Indians, with a mixture of the
blood of other races"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136494819.673310.232510%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
grinder
fla...@verizon.net
On 26-Apr-2007, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
> And your point is?
On top his head.
He is trying to say that Darwinism is evil because the
Nazis adopted it because he doesn't like that they
were well able to use Xianity for their own purposes.
What I suppose he hates the most is that so many
people who called themselves Xian helped the Nazis.
I would hate it, too.
But I would point out that they were simply bad Xians
rather than trying to impugn science.
Susan
Geoff
> And your point is?
...right on top of his head.
t1gercat
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 26-Apr-2007, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>
> > And your point is?
>
> On top his head.
> He is trying to say that Darwinism is evil because the
> Nazis adopted it because he doesn't like that they
> were well able to use Xianity for their own purposes.
Goebbels diary entry for 13 May 1943
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120450591.444214.186670%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
One might well ask why are there any Jews in the world order?
That would be exactly like asking why are there potato bugs?
Nature is dominated by the law of struggle. There will always
be parasites who will spur this struggle on and intensify the
process of selection between the strong and the weak. The
principle of struggle dominates also in human life. One must
merely know the laws of this struggle to be able to face it. ....
In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life
of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish
peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left
for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew....
....we are forever members of the Aryan race. .... Aboriginal
man, the Fuehrer believes, did not know the lie....
The nations that have been the first to see through the Jew and
have been the first to fight him are going to take his place in the
domination of the world.
[Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others"
[1871/ 74 Darwin]"Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the same Aryan
stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
[1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of
Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
> What I suppose he hates the most is that so many
> people who called themselves Xian helped the Nazis.
"people who called themselves Xian helped the Nazis"
Do you think Hitler called himself a Christian?
Do you think Hitler was a Christian?
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Yang: "Hitler stood for 'positive' Christianity"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167161045.361421.15990%4042g2000cwt.googlegroups.com
1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
> I would hate it, too.
> But I would point out that they were simply bad Xians
> rather than trying to impugn science.
_My_ views are _Science_.
_Your_ views are _religion_.
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1874 Darwin: "mongrel population of Negroes and Portuguese....
population of mingled Polynesian and English blood....
population of Polynesians and Negritos crossed in all degrees....
a much crossed race of Portuguese and Indians, with a mixture of the
blood of other races"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136494819.673310.232510%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1883 Darwin: "When two races, both low in the scale, are crossed the
progeny seems to be eminently bad."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136399794.077073.47030%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Charles Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138716868.472338.186610%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
In Sparta, also, a form of selection
was followed, for it was enacted that all children should
be examined shortly after birth; the well-formed and
vigorous being preserved, the others left to perish.*(3)
Server 13
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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> On Apr 26, 12:20
> pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>> On 26-Apr-2007, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > And your point is?
>>
>> On top his head.
>> He is trying to say that Darwinism is evil because the
>> Nazis adopted it because he doesn't like that they
>> were well able to use Xianity for their own purposes.
>
> Goebbels diary entry for 13 May 1943
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120450591.444214.186670%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
rofl As usual, davey is completely unable to make a salient point, and
refers to nothing but his own posts.
fla...@verizon.net
I never said the Nazis were Xian.
I said they used it for their own purposes.
Hitler is known to have said of killing Jews:
"We are doing the Lord's work."
German so-called Xians were especially susceptible to
this sort of thing, given Luther's turn-about antipathy to
Jews who refused his church as much as they did the
Catholic one.
Susan
Bob Loblaw
And don't forget, David Berkowitz "adopted...the vocabulary of his
neighbor's dog, Sam".
Fredric L. Rice
>And your point is?
He's trying to admit that Adolf Hitler was a Christian.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,
surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who,
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read
through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in
His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the
brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against
the Jewish poison.
"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was
for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be
cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and
justice...
"And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we
are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as
a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look
on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at
the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness
and misery.
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in
their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I
would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for
them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
exploited."
Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
Published in "My New Order"
Quoted in "Freethought Today" April 1990
Yep, sounds pretty occult to me.
---
Christian terrorism murders another half a million people:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/
Fredric L. Rice
>On 26-Apr-2007, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
>> And your point is?
>On top his head.
>He is trying to say that Darwinism is evil because the
>Nazis adopted it because he doesn't like that they
>were well able to use Xianity for their own purposes.
Actually the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism, something that's the
exact opposite of the fact of evolution.
George Chen
and through.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
Adolf Hitler
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at
last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for
the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years,
with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in
the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the
Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated,
but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if
there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly
it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a
duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these
men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I
believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity
for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and
exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
[Note, "brood of vipers" appears in Matt. 3:7 & 12:34. John 2:15
depicts Jesus driving out the money changers (adders) from the temple.
The word "adders" also appears in Psalms 140:3]
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Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ,
so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into
madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this
people in utter honesty and sincerity.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 1922
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In the Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold
will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene has
kept its profound validity until the present day.
-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 10 April 1923
[The Bible quote comes Jesus speaking in Revelation 3:16]
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In the life of nations, what in the last resort decides questions is a
kind of Judgment Court of God.... Always before god and the world the
stronger has the right to carry through what he wills.
-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 13 April 1923
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There are three words which many use without a thought which for us
are no catch-phrases: Love, Faith, and Hope.... We are fanatical in
our love for our people....
We have faith in the rights of our people, the rights which have
existed time out of mind. We protest against the view that every other
nation should have rights - and we have none. We must learn to make
our own this blind faith in the rights of our people, in the necessity
of devoting ourselves to the service of these rights; we must make our
own the faith that gradually victory must be granted us if only we are
fanatical enough. And from this love and from this faith there emerges
for us the idea of hope. When others doubt and hesitate for the future
of Germany - we have no doubts. We have both the hope and the faith
that Germany will and must once more become great and mighty.
We have faith that one day Heaven will bring the Germans back into a
Reich over which there shall be no Soviet star, no Jewish star of
David, but above that Reich there shall be the symbol of German labor
- the Swastika. And that will mean that the first of May has truly
come.
-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 01 May 1923
[Love, Faith, and Hope comes from I Corinthians 13:13 NIV]
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People ask: is there someone fit to be our leader? Our task is not to
search for that person. Either God will give him to us or he will not
come. Our task is to shape the sword that he will need when he comes.
Our task it to provide the leader with a nation which is ready for him
when he comes! My fellow Germans, awaken! The new day is dawning!
-Adolf Hitler, 04 May 1923
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It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain
us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before
our God.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 01 Aug. 1923
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It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly
awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully
together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the
common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true
Christianity.
-Adolf Hitler, in an article headed "A New Beginning," 26 Feb. 1925
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A few days ago I was in Eisenach and stood on top of the Wartburg,
where a great German once translated the Bible.
-Adolf Hitler, in Schleiz, Thuringia, 18 Jan. 1927
[The great German Hitler speaks about, of course, describes Martin
Luther]
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We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith
conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is
whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our
ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is
Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants
to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv
Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
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We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national
government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only
to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government
will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit
and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations
upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity,
as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus
of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty
take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our
insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
-Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as
Chancellor for the first time, Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Aug. 1935,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of
that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the
foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in
building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its
own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has
given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of
our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of
the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do,
holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate
or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken
upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have
become once more true Germans.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933
[Note, "Except the Lord built the house, they labour in vain" comes
from Psalms 127:1 ]
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The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral
purification of our public life, are creating and securing the
conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious
life.... The National Government regard the two Christian Confessions
as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality. They
will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal
States. Their rights are not to be infringed.... It will be the
Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and
State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real
national community is just as much in the interest of the German
nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith. The
Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable
foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the
greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are
endeavouring to develop them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933
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The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred
years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for
what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as
pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby
doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and
public functions.
-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The
Holy Reich]
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We want honestly to earn the resurrection of our people through our
industry, our perseverance, our will. We ask not of the Almighty
'Lord, make us free'!-- we want to be active, to work, to agree
together as brothers, to strive in rivalry with one another to bring
about the hour when we can come before Him and when we may ask of Him:
'Lord, Thou seest that we have transformed ourselves, the German
people is not longer the people of dishonour, of shame, of war within
itself, of faintheartedness and little faith: no, Lord, the German
people has become strong again in spirit, strong in will, strong in
endurance, strong to bear all sacrifices.' 'Lord, we will not let Thee
go: bless now our fight for our freedom; the fight we wage for our
German people and Fatherland.'
-Adolf Hitler, giving prayer in a speech on May Day 1933
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This is for us a ground for satisfaction, since we desire that the
fight in the religious camps should come to an end... all political
action in the parties will be forbidden to priests for all time, happy
because we know what is wanted by millions who long to see in the
priest only the comforter of their souls and not the representative of
their political convictions.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to the men of the SA. at Dormund, 9 July
1933 on the day after the signing of the Concordat.
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National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take
the Christian Churches under the protection of the State.... The
decisive factor which can justify the existence alike of Church and
State is the maintenance of men's spiritual and bodily health, for it
that health were destroyed it would mean the end of the State and also
the end of the Church.... It is my sincere hope that thereby for
Germany, too, through free agreement there has been produced a final
clarification of spheres in the functions of the State and of one
Church.
-Adolf Hitler, on a wireless on 22 July, the evening before the
Evangelical Church Election
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The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany
means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the
Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and
unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is
hostile to religion is a lie.
-Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party (quoted from
John Cornwell's "Hitler's Pope"
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Among the congregations of the Protestant confessions there has arisen
in the "German Christians' a movement that is filled with the
determination to do justice to the great tasks of the day and has
aimed at a union of the Protestant state churches and confessions. If
this question is not really on the way towards a solution, in the
judgement of history no false or stupid objections will be able to
dispute the fact that this service was rendered by the volkisch
movement at a time when, unfortunately, just as in the Roman Church,
many pastors and superintendents without reason have opposed the
national uprising in the most violent, indeed, often fanatical, way.
-Adolf Hitler, in a radio address on 22 July 1933 to the German people
after a performance of Wagner's Christian allegory Parsifal in
Bayreuth. [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We
have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement,
and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have
stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as
favoring atheism.]
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I believe that Providence would never have allowed us to see the
victory of the Movement if it had the intention after all to destroy
us at the end.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to old members of the Party at Munich on 8
Nov. 1933
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The German Church and the People are practically the same body.
Therefore there could be no issue between Church and State. The
Church, as such, has nothing to do with political affairs. On the
other hand, the State has nothing to do with the faith or inner
organization of the Church. The election of November 12th would be an
expression of church constituency, but not as a Church.
-Adolf Hitler, answering C. F. Macfarland about Church & State (in his
book, The New Church and the New Germany)
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While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have not only brought
thousands of priests back into the Church, but to millions of
respectable people we have restored their faith in their religion and
in their priests. The union of the Evangelical Church in a single
Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church,
these are but milestones on the road which leads to the establishment
of a useful relation and a useful co operation between the Reich and
the two Confessions.
-Adolf Hitler, in his New Year Message on 1 Jan. 1934
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Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great
religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian
Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but
strengthened the religious institutions.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1934
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It would have been more to the point, more honest and more Christian,
in past decades not to support those who intentionally destroyed
healthy life than to rebel against those who have no other wish than
to avoid disease. Moreover, a policy of laissez faire in this sphere
is not only cruelty to the individual guiltless victims but also to
the nation as a whole.... If the Churches were to declare themselves
ready to take over the treatment and care of those suffering from
hereditary diseases, we should be quite ready to refrain from
sterilizing them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 30 Jan. 1934
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We have experienced a miracle, something unique, something the like of
which there has hardly been in the history of the world. God first
allowed our people to be victorious for four and a half years, then He
abased us, laid upon us a period of shamelessness, but now after a
struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to bring that period to
a close. It is a miracle which has been wrought upon the German
people.... It shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our people,
that He received it into favour at the moment when it rediscovered
itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must
be our vow so long as we shall live and so long as the Lord gives us
the strength to carry on the fight.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to the "Old Guard" of the Party at Munich
on 19 March, 1934
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The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive
Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the
great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from
interference with their doctrines (Lehren ), and in their duties to
constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of
to-day.
-Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them
that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda
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No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who came
before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a
clear division between politics which have to do with terrestrial
things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial
sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine (Lehre ) of
the Confessions or with their religious freedom (Bekenntnisfreiheit ),
nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State
protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion
will not be used as a cover for political ends....
National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-
religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real
Christianity.... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours
alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of
to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic
movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness
of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian,
these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail
to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our
successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not
unblest by God.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar,
26 Aug. 1934
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So far as the Evangelical Confessions are concerned we are determined
to put an end to existing divisions, which are concerned only with the
forms of organization, and to create a single Evangelical Church for
the whole Reich....
And we know that were the great German reformer [Martin Luther] with
us to-day he would rejoice to be freed from the necessity of his own
time and, like Ulrich von Hutten, his last prayer would be not for the
Churches of the separate States: it would be of Germany that he would
think and of the Evangelical Church of Germany.
-Adolf Hitler, in his Proclamation at the Parteitag at Nuremberg on 5
Sept. 1934
[Note, Martin Luther provided Germany with the seeds of violent
antisemitism. Learn about Martin Luther's dirty little book.
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So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we are
more than a collection of individuals striving one against another,
that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich,
and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and
of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united
nation, we have need of it.
-Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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What we are we have become not against, but with, the will of
Providence. And so long as we are true and honourable and of good
courage in fight, so long as we believe in our great work and do not
capitulate, we shall continue to enjoy in the future the blessing of
Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, at Rosenheim in Bavaria, 11 Aug. 1935
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Only so you can appeal to your God and pray Him to support and bless
your courage, your work, your perseverance, your strength, your
resolution, and with all these your claim on life.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Frankfurt on 16 March 1936
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In this world him who does not abandon himself the Almighty will not
desert. Him who helps himself will the Almighty always also help; He
will show him the way by which he can gain his rights, his freedom,
and therefore his future.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Hamburg on 20 March 1936
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Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to
handle this Church.
-Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity
of the Catholic Church to National Socialism
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I believe in Providence and I believe Providence to be just. Therefore
I believe that Providence always rewards the strong, the industrious,
and the upright.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to National Socialist women at the
Nuremberg Parteitag of 1936 [11 Sept. 1936]
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I say that they can be solved; there is no problem that cannot be, but
faith is necessary. Think of the faith I had to have eighteen years
ago, a single man on a lonely path. Yet I have come to leadership of
the German people....
Life is hard for many, but it is hardest if you are unhappy and have
no faith. Have faith.
Nothing can make me change my own belief.
-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg, 12 Sept. 1936
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This is probably the first time and this is the first country in which
people are being taught to realize that, of all the tasks which we
have to face, the noblest and most sacred for mankind is that each
racial species must preserve the purity of the blood which God has
given it....
The greatest revolution which National Socialism has brought about is
that it has rent asunder the veil which hid from us the knowledge that
all human failures and mistakes are due to the conditions of the time
and therefore can be remedied, but that there is one error which
cannot be remedied once men have made it, namely the failure to
recognize the importance of conserving the blood and the race free
from intermixture and thereby the racial aspect and character which
are God's gift and God's handiwork. It is not for men to discuss the
question of why Providence created different races, but rather to
recognize the fact that it punishes those who disregard its work of
creation....
As I look back on the great work that has been done during the past
four years you will understand quite well that my first feeling is
simply one of thankfulness to our Almighty God for having allowed me
to bring this work to success. He has blessed our labors and has
enabled our people to come through all the obstacles which encompassed
them on their way....
Today I must humbly thank Providence, whose grace has enabled me, who
was once an unknown soldier in the War, to bring to a successful issue
the struggle for the restoration of our honor and rights as a nation.
-Adolf Hitler, before the Reichstag, 30 Jan. 1937
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So long as they concern themselves with their religious problems the
State does not concern itself with them. But so soon as they attempt
by any means whatsoever-- by letters, Encyclica, or otherwise-- to
arrogate to themselves rights which belong to the State alone we shall
force them back into their proper spiritual, pastoral activity.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin on the May Day
festival, 1937
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We National Socialists, too, have deep in our hearts our own faith. We
cannot do otherwise. No man can mould the history of peoples or of the
world unless he has upon his will and his capacities the blessing of
Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, to Nazi leaders on 2 June 1937, as reported by a
correspondent of the "Daily Telegraph"
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I will never allow anyone to divide this people once more into
religious camps, each fighting the other....
You, my Brown Guard, will regard it as a matter of course that this
German people should go only by the way which Providence ordained for
it when it gave to Germans the common language. So we go forward with
the profoundest faith in God into the future. Would that which we have
achieved have been possible if Providence had not helped us?
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Regensburg on 6 June 1937
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If we pursue this way, if we are decent, industrious, and honest, if
we so loyally and truly fulfill our duty, then it is my conviction
that in the future as in the past the Lord God will always help us. In
the long run He never leaves decent folk in the lurch. Often He may
test them, He may send trials upon them, but in the long run He always
lets His sun shine upon them once more and at the end He gives them
His blessing.
-Adolf Hitler, at the Harvest Thanksgiving Festival on the Buckeburg
held on 3 Oct. 1937
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This Winter Help Work is also in the deepest sense a Christian work.
When I see, as I so often do, poorly clad girls collecting with such
infinite patience in order to care for those who are suffering from
the cold while they themselves are shivering with cold, then I have
the feeling that they are all apostles of a Christianity-- and in
truth of a Christianity which can say with greater right than any
other: This is the Christianity of an honest confession, for behind it
stand not words but deeds.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking of the Winter Help Campaign on 5 Oct. 1937
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Remain strong in your faith, as you were in former years. In this
faith, in its close-knit unity our people to-day goes straight forward
on its way and no power on earth will avail to stop it.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Coburg on 15 Oct. 1937
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In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the
past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work
and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will
safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility,
that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence
has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the
courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any
violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are
created by God should live in accordance with the will of the
Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have
found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists,
too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do
otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples
unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of
this Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937
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National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it
is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial
principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and
leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship.... We
will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for
exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.
Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any
case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our
programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception
and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the
central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the
maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by
God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a
divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship,
but openly before the face of the Lord.... Our worship is exclusively
the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural,
therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission
before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us
men.
-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept. 1938.
[Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult
mythology. Here he clearly expresses his stand against cults and
reinforces his Christian views.]
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Thus one of Europe's most serious crises will be ended, and all of us,
not only in Germany but those far beyond our frontiers, will then in
this year for the first time really rejoice at the Christmas festival.
It should for us all be a true Festival of Peace....
-Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 05 Oct. 1938
[This statement disputes some who claim that Hitler outlawed
Christmas.]
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God helps only those who are prepared and determined to help
themselves.
-Adolf Hitler, 06 Nov. 1938, Weimar
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The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty
God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument.
-Adolf Hitler, in his proclamation to the German People on 01 Jan.
1939
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We are indeed perhaps better able than other generations to realize
the full meaning of those pious words "What a change by the grace of
God".
Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so
called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is
hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make
before the German people the following solemn declaration:
1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his
religious views (Einstellung), nor will anyone in the future be so
persecuted.... The Churches are the greatest landed proprietors after
the State... Further, the Church in the National Socialist State is in
many ways favoured in regard to taxation, and for gifts, legacies,
&c., it enjoys immunity from taxation.
It is therefore, to put mildly-- effrontery when especially foreign
politicians make bold to speak of hostility to religion in the Third
Reich.... I would allow myself only one question: what contributions
during the same period have France, England, or the United States made
through the State from the public funds?
3. The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it
prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever
exercised any influence upon the form of a religious service. It has
not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of
faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State
anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion.... There
are ten thousands and ten thousands of priests of all the Christian
Confessions who perform their ecclesiastical duties just as well as or
probably better than the political agitators without ever coming into
conflict with the laws of the State.... This State has only once
intervened in the internal regulation of the Churches, that is when I
myself in 1933 endeavoured to unite the weak and divided Protestant
Churches of the different States into one great and powerful
Evangelical Church of the Reich. That attempt failed through the
opposition of the bishops of some States; it was therefore abandoned.
For it is in the last resort not our task to defend or even to
strengthen the Evangelical Church through violence against its own
representatives.... But on one point it is well that there should be
no uncertainty: the German priest as servant of God we shall protect,
the priest as political enemy of the German State we shall destroy.
-Adolf Hitler, a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939
[That last sentence sums up Hitler's stand on the priesthood. Rather
than standing for atheism, as today's Christians would like, Hitler
attacked the priesthood only if they stood in Hitler's political
path.]
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If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the
tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the
hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we
who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the
community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished
a prodigious work.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the "Old Guard" at Munich on 24 Feb.
1939
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Help yourself, then God will also help you!
The German people was created by Providence, not in order to obey a
law which suits Englishmen or Frenchmen, but to stand up for its vital
right. That is what we are there for!
-Adolf Hitler, at Wilhemshaven, 01 April 1939
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I can give vent to my inmost feelings only in the form of humble
thanks to Providence which called upon me and vouchsafed it to me,
once an unknown soldier of the Great War, to rise to be the Leader of
my people, so dear to me.
Providence showed me the way to free our people from the depths of its
misery without bloodshed and to lead it upward once again. Providence
granted that I might fulfill my life's task-to raise my German people
out of the depths of defeat and to liberate it from the bonds of the
most outrageous dictate of all times....
I have regarded myself as called upon by Providence to serve my own
people alone and to deliver them from their frightful misery.
-Adolf Hitler, before the Reichstag, 28 April 1939
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As Fuehrer of the German people and Chancellor of the Reich, I can
thank God at this moment that he has so wonderfully blessed us in our
hard struggle for what is our right, and beg Him that we and all other
nations may find the right way, so that not only the German people but
all Europe may once more be granted the blessing of peace.
-Adolf Hitler, before the Reichstag, 06 Oct. 1939
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[I] never lost my belief, in the midst of setbacks which were not
spared me during my period of struggle. Providence has had the last
word and brought me success.
-Adolf Hitler, speech of 23 Nov. 1939
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It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and cross himself
with holy water than for these people to comprehend the ideas which
are accepted facts to us today.
-Adolf Hitler, 10 Dec. 1940, in Berlin
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The conception of the new Movement, whose fundamentals can be
expressed in a single sentence: "The Lord helps those who help
themselves," opposed this. That is not only a very pious phrase, but a
very just one. For one cannot assume that God exists to help people
who are too cowardly and too lazy to help themselves and think that
God exists only to make up for the weakness of mankind. He does not
exist for that purpose. He has always, at all times, blessed only
those who were prepared to fight their own battles....
Providence has not led us along these amazing paths in vain. On the
day that the party was founded I recalled that our nation once gained
immense victories. Then it became ungrateful, disunited, sinned
against itself. Thereupon it was punished by Providence. We deserved
our defeat. If a nation forgets itself as completely as the German
nation did at that time, if it thinks that it can shake off all honor
and all good faith, Providence can do nothing but teach it a hard and
bitter lesson. But even at that time we were convinced that once our
nation found itself again, once it again became industrious and
honorable, once each individual German stood up for his nation first
and not for himself, once he placed the interests of the community
above his own personal interests, once the whole nation again pursued
a great ideal, once it was prepared to stake everything for this
ideal, the hour would come when the Lord would declare our trials at
an end.
If fate should once more call us to the battlefield, the blessing of
Providence will be with those who have merited it by years of hard
work. When I compare myself and my opponents in other countries in the
light of history, I do not fear the verdict on our respective
mentalities. Who are these egoists? Each one of them merely defends
the interests of his class. Behind them all stands either the Jew or
their own moneybags. They are all nothing but money-grubbers, living
on the profits of this war. No blessing can come of that. I oppose
these people merely as the 0 champion of my country. I am convinced
that our struggle will in the future be blessed by Providence, as it
has been blessed up to now.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 24 Feb. 1941
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But he who dares to use the word "God" for such devilish activity
blasphemes against Providence and, according to our belief, he cannot
end except in destruction.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking about Jews and international "warmongers," on
04 May 1941, before the Reichstag
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I did not want this struggle. Since January, 1933, when Providence
entrusted me with the leadership of the German Reich, I had an aim
before my eyes which was essentially incorporated in the program of
our National Socialist party. I have never been disloyal to this aim
and have never abandoned my program....
Only when the entire German people become a single community of
sacrifice can we expect and hope that Almighty God will help us. The
Almighty has never helped a lazy man. He does not help the coward. He
does not help a people that cannot help itself.
The principle applies here, help yourselves and Almighty God will not
deny you his assistance.
-Adolf Hitler, in a broadcast from Berlin, 03 Oct.1941
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If the Providence has so willed that the German people cannot be
spared this fight, then I can only be grateful that it entrusted me
with the leadership in this historic struggle which, for the next 500
or 1,000 years, will be described as decisive, not only for the
history of Germany, but for the whole of Europe and indeed the whole
world. The German people and their soldiers are working and fighting
today, not only for the present, but for the coming, nay the most
distant, generations. A historical revision on a unique scale has been
imposed on us by the Creator....
The next incursion against this homestead of European culture was
carried out from the distant East. A terrible stream of barbarous,
uncultured hordes sallied forth from the interior of Asia deep into
the hearts of the European Continent, burning, looting, murdering-a
true scourge of the Lord....
>From the time when the Movement I consisted of seven men, until we
took over power in January 1933, the path was so miraculous that only
Providence itself with its blessing could have made this possible....
Our enemies must not deceive themselves-in the 2,000 years of German
history known to us, our people have never been more united than
today. The Lord of the Universe has treated us so well in the past
years that we bow in gratitude to a providence which has allowed us to
be members of such a great nation. We thank Him that we also can be
entered with honor into the ever-lasting book of German history!
-Adolf Hitler, on 11 Dec.1941 before the Reichstag
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My fame, if Providence preserves my life, will consist in ... works of
peace, which I still intend to create. But I think that if Providence
has already disposed that I can do what must be done according to the
inscrutable will of the Providence, then I can at least just ask
Providence to entrust to me the burden of this war, to load it on me.
I will beat it! I will shrink from no responsibility; in every hour
which ... I will take this burden upon me. I will bear every
responsibility, just as I have always borne them."....
Thus the home-front need not be warned, and the prayer of this priest
of the devil, the wish that Europe may be punished with Bolshevism,
will not be fulfilled, but rather that the prayer may be fulfilled:
"Lord God, give us the strength that we may retain our liberty for our
children and our children's children, not only for ourselves but also
for the other peoples of Europe, for this is a war which we all wage,
this time, not for our German people alone, it is a war for all of
Europe and with it, in the long run, for all of mankind."
-Adolf Hitler, 30 Jan. 1942, in Berlin (note the prayer at the end of
the speech.)
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May therefore God give us the strength to continue to do our duty and
with this prayer we bow in homage before our dead heroes, before those
whom they have left behind in bereavement, and before all the other
victims of this war.
-Adolf Hitler, in prayer at the end of a radio address on 15 March
1942.
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I, for my part, acknowledge another precept which says that man must
deal the final blow to those whose downfall is destined by God.
-Adolf Hitler, in an address to the Reichstag, 06 April 1942
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In my eyes, the year 1942 already has behind it the most fateful trial
of our people. That was the winter of '41 to '42. I may be permitted
to say that in that winter the German people, and in particular its
Wehrmacht, were weighed in the balance by Providence. Nothing worse
can or will happen. That we conquered that winter, that "General
Winter," that at last the German fronts stood, and that this spring,
that is, early this summer, we were able to proceed again, that, I
believe, is the proof that Providence was content with the German
people....
You do not realize what is hidden beneath these words in the way of
human heroism, and also of human pain, and suffering, and we may say,
often anxiety too, naturally, deathly anxiety on the part of all those
who, especially for the first time, are placed before the trial of God
in this highest court.
-Adolf Hitler, 30 Sept. 1942, in Berlin
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And today I stand by this same view. Fate, or Providence, will give
the victory to those who most deserve it....
And when now, after 10 years, I again survey this period, I can say
that upon no people has Providence ever bestowed more successes than
upon us. The miracles we have achieved in the last three years in the
face of a whole world of enemies are unique in history, especially the
crises we very naturally often had in these years.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 08 Nov. 1942
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The bomb which was planted by Colonel von Stauffenberg exploded two
meters to my right. It seriously injured a number of my colleagues who
are very dear to me; one has died. I myself am completely unhurt apart
from a few minor skin abrasions, bruises and burns. I interpret this
as confirmation that Providence wishes me to continue my life's
mission as I have in the past.
Few people can begin to imagine the fate which would have overtaken
Germany had the assassination attempt succeeded. I myself thank
Providence and my Creator not for preserving me - my life consists
only of worry and work for my People - I thank him only for allowing
me to continue to bear this burden of worry, and to carry on my work
to the best of my ability.
Once again I take this opportunity, my old comrades in arms, to greet
you, joyful that I have once again been spared a fate which, while it
held no terror for me personally, would have had terrible consequences
for the German People. I interpret this as a sign from Providence that
I must continue my work, and therefore I shall continue it.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking about the attempt to kill him, in a radio
broadcast on 20 July 1944
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God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we
are defending His work....
Only He can relieve me of this duty Who called me to it. It was in the
hand of Providence to snuff me out by the bomb that exploded only one
and a half meters from me on July 20, and thus to terminate my life's
work. That the Almighty protected me on that day I consider a renewed
affirmation of the task entrusted to me....
Therefore, it is all the more necessary on this twelfth anniversary of
the rise to power to strengthen the heart more than ever before and to
steel ourselves in the holy determination to wield the sword, no-
matter where and under what circumstances, until final victory crowns
our efforts....
In the years to come I shall continue on this road, uncompromisingly
safeguarding my people's interests, oblivious to all misery and
danger, and filled with the holy conviction that God the Almighty will
not abandon him who, during all his life, had no desire but to save
his people from a fate it had never deserved, neither by virtue of its
number nor by way of its importance....
In vowing ourselves to one another, we are entitled to stand before
the Almighty and ask Him for His grace and His blessing. No people can
do more than that everybody who can fight, fights, and that everybody
who can work, works, and that they all sacrifice in common, filled
with but one thought: to safeguard freedom and national honor and thus
the future of life.
-Adolf Hitler, in a radio address, 30 Jan. 1945
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Providence shows no mercy to weak nations, but recognizes the right of
existence-only of sound and strong nations....
This Jewish bolshevist annihilation of nations and its western
European and American procurers can be met only in one way: by using
every ounce of strength with the extreme fanaticism and stubborn
steadfastness that merciful God gives to men in hard times for the
defense of their own lives....
We have suffered so much that it only steels us to fanatical resolve
to hate Our enemies a thousand times more and to regard them for what
they are destroyers of an eternal culture and annihilators of
humanity. Out of this bate a holy will is born to oppose these
destroyers of our existence with all the strength that God has given
us and to crush them in the end. During its 2,000-year history our
people has survived so many terrible times that we have no doubt that
we will also master our present plight.
-Adolf Hitler, in a recorded radio address, 24 Feb. 1945
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SOURCES:
Baynes, Norman H. Ed. "The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August
1939," Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942
Cornwell, John, "Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII,"
Viking, 1999
Steigmann-Gall, Richard "The Holy Reich: Nazi conception of
Christianity, 1919-1945," Cambridge University Press, 2003
Online:
Adolf Hitler Speeches from www.adolfhitler.ws/
Helmut Bruckner
Bruckner served as the Gauletier of Silesia. According to Richard
Steigmann-Gall's research, "Bruckner sent Gregor Strasser an internal
"Special Circular" he had issued to his Gau [region] officials on the
party's official church-political stance. Its contents became common
knowledge once a copy came into the hands of the Kirchenrat and the
papers Tagliche Rundschau and Christliche Welt. As a confidential
document, however, it provides a glimpse into the Nazi's feelings
about the institution of the Protestant Church" [Steigmann-Gall]:We
struggle for a union of the small Protestant state churches into a
strong Protestant Reich Church.... We are acting not as a party, but
as Protestant Christians who only follow a call to faith from God,
which we here in our Volk movement. As true members of our church we
have a legitimate claim to have appropriate consideration given to the
greatness and inner strength of National Socialism in church life and
the church administration.
-Helmut Brucker, "Richtlinien fur Kirchenfragen," Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf (10 Nov. 1932: Breslau), [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Walter Buch
Buch served as Head of the Nazi Party court and Martin Bormann's
father-in-law. Otto Wagener, Hitler's confidant in the Kampfzeit,
named Buch as one of the only three men who "were prepared and in a
position to tell Hitler their own views when they contradicted his."
According to Richard Steigmann's research, Buch, a Lutheran, held his
faith in high esteem and "maintained he was guided in his social
thought by Martin Luther."
When Point 24 of our program says the party stands for a positive
Christianity, here above all is the cornerstone of our thinking.
Christ preached struggle as did no other. His life was struggle for
his beliefs, for which he went to his death. From everyone he demanded
a decision between yes and no.
-Walter Buch "Geist und Kampf" (speech): Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf (probably given between 1930 and 1932), [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Public need before private greed.... So important and meaningful is
this phrase that Jesus Christ placed it in the center of his religious
teaching. However, since Christ was not a politician, since his Reich
was not of this world, he put the calling into other words. He taught:
love your neighbors as yourself! National Socialism is therefore
nothing new, nothing that a person after much consideration would not
come upon as the solution to the economic plight of the Germans.
-Walter Buch Der Aufmasch, Blatter der deutschen Jugend 2 (January
1931), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Note, Point 24 refers to a section of the NSDAP party platform (the
Nazi Constitution, so to speak) where it proclaims "positive
Christianity" as one of its tenants.
Never more than in the last ten years has the truth behind Luther's
words been more evident: "The family is the source of everyone's
blessings and misforture."
-Walter Buch In a speech from 1932, [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
The idea of eternal life, of which the Jew knows nothing, is just as
characteristic of our Germanic forefathers as it was of Christ.
-Walter Buch Der Aufmarsch, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The
Holy Reich]
When Luther turned his attention to the Jews, after he completed his
translation of the Bible, he left behind "on the Jews and their Lies"
for posterity.
-Walter Buch [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Many people confess their amazement that Hitler preaches ideas which
they have always held.... From the Middle Ages we can look to the same
example in Martin Luther. What stirred in the soul and spirit of the
German people of that time, finally found expression in his person, in
his words and deeds.
-Walter Buch "Geist und Kampf" (speech), Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Luther's eloquent words,"the intellect is the Devil's whore," confirm
my belief that the human spirit of the greatest magnitude is too small
to alter the laws of life. And the highest law of life is struggle....
Nothing comes from "yes, but [Zwar-Aber].
-Walter Buch written to a friend in 1929, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Rudolf Buttmann
An early member of the Nazi Party, Buttmann became a cacus leader of
the Nazi Party in the Bavarian Landtag (whose other members included
Schemm and Streicher), and later head of the Cultural Division of the
Reich Interior Ministry. [Steigmann-Gall]
One has opportunity enough to see how our party governs in Thuringia,
where party members Dr. Frick has reintroduced Christian morning
prayer in school.... Not through us is religion in danger, but rather
through the conditions we know of in Russia, and which they now boast
of in Berlin. First we shall sweep clean the recesses of filth of the
city - the cinemas and theaters - with an iron broom.
-Rudolf Buttmann,Volkischer Beobachter, 13 Dec. 1930, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Our worldview is not directed against Cathoicism or Protestantism, not
against Christianity, but rather based on Christianity and against
cultural bolshevism, against the false liberalism of the
Enlightenment, and against materialism.
-Rudolf Buttmann,Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Jan. 1931, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Dietrich Eckart
Eckart served as one of the early key members of the National-
Socialist German Workers Party and an early friend of Hitler. He also
invented the term "Drittes Reich" ("Third Reich"). Eckart also coined
the phrase, "Jewish materialist spirit within us and without us," used
in Point 24 of the Nazi Party platform, an expression that implied a
religious element in the Nazi typology. Hitler felt so indebted to
Eckart he ended Mein Kampf with a tribute to him.
Christ stands never otherwise than erect, never otherwise than
upright... eyes flashing in the midst of the creeping Jewish rabble...
and the words fall like lashes of the whip: 'Your father is the
devil' (John 8:44)
-Dietrich Eckart Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin: Zweigesprache
zwischen Adolf Hitler und mir (Munich, 1924) [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
This war was a religious war, finally one sees that clearly. A war
between light and darkness, truth and falsehood, Christ and
Antichrist.
-Dietrich Eckart Auf gut deutsch (1919) [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
Wonders never cease; from the deluge is born a new world, while the
Pharisees whine about their miserable pennies! The Liberation of
humanity from the curse of gold stands before us! But for that our
colllapse, but for that our Golhotha!
-Dietrich Eckart Auf gut deutsch (1919) [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
[The] Jewish conception of God is of no interest to us Germans! We
seek God nowhere but in ourselves. For us the soul is divine, of which
the Jew, on the other hand, knows nothing. The Kingdom of Heaven is
within you (Luke 17:21), thus God also, who belongs to the Kingdom of
Heaven. We feel our soul is immortal, eternal from the beginning, and
therefore we refuse to be told that we are created from nothingness.
-Dietrich Eckart Auf gut deutsch (1919) [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
The New Testament broke away from the Old /as you once released
yourself from the world/ And as you are freed from your past
delustions/ so did Jesus Christ reject his Jewishness.
-Dietrich Eckart Quoted in Rosenberg, Eckart [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Hans Frank
Frank acted as lawyer and senior official for the Nazi party and legal
advisor for Hitler. He also served a tenure as Governor-General of
occupied Poland for which he was convicted during the Nuremberg trials
for his role in perpetrating the Jewish holocaust and found guilty of
complicity in the murder of millions of Poles and Polish Jews. A
former Protestant (his father was a Protestant and his mother a
Catholic), he converted to Roman Catholicism after his arrest where he
felt relieved at the prospect of atoning for his evil deeds. [The
belief that one can be saved for any atrocious act demonstrates the
moral flaw of Christian doctrine.]
Hitler is lonely, So is God. Hitler is like God.
-Reichminister Hans Frank (FL Schuman, "Hitler and the Nazi
Dictatorship," London 1936
We are under the great obligation of recognizing as a holy work of our
Volk's spirit the laws signed by Adolf Hitler's name. Hitler has
received his authority from God. Therefore he is champion, sent by
God, of German Right in the world.
-Hans Frank, Frankfurt-am-Main, 30 October 1935 (Aurel Kolnai, The War
Against the West)
I am thankful for the kind treatment during my captivity and I ask God
to accept me with mercy.
-Hans Frank, in his last statement before execution (Hans Frank from
Wikipedia online encyclopedia)
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Wilhelm Frick
Frick served as the NSDAP caucus leader in the Reichstag and one of
only three Nazis in the original Hitler Cabinet. He was responsible
for drafting many of the laws that set up the Nazi regime. Hitler
appointed him as Reich Interior Minister, making him the most
important "state Nazi" immediately after the Seizure of Power
(Machtergreifung). Frick, a member of the Protestant Church, had
jurisdiction over the affairs of the Protestant Church until the
creation of the Reich Church Ministry in 1935. [Steigmann-Gall]
The party stands for positive Christianity. The National Socialist
state is absolutely ready to work with the Christian churches, but the
solidarity of the churches to the Volk must be a matter of course;
that means that the churches must feel bound to the Volk and may never
come into opposition to the National Socialist leadership of the
state.
-Wilhelm Frick, Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, 2 June 1935, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Joseph Goebbels
Goebbles served as Hitler's Propaganda Minister
(Propagandaministerium). The pious Catholic parents of Joseph Goebbels
raised him and his two brothers in that faith. He spoke of Hitler as
"either Christ or St. John." "Hitler, I love you!" he wrote in his
diary.I converse with Christ. I believed I had overcome him, but I
have only overcome his idoltrous priests and false servants. Christ is
harsh and relentless.
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
I take the Bible, and all evening long I read the simplest and
greatest sermon that has ever been given to mankind: The Sermon on the
Mount! 'Blessed are they who suffer persecution for the sake of
justice, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven'!
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Christ is the genius of love, as such the most diametrical opposite of
Judaism, which is the incarnation of hate. The Jew is a non-race among
the races of the earth.... Christ is the first great enemy of the
Jews.... that is why Judaism had to get rid of him. For he was shaking
the very foundations of its future international power. The Jew is the
lie personified. When he crucified Christ, he crucified everlasting
truth for the first time in history.
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
The idea of sacrifice first gained visible shape in Christ. Sacrifice
is intrinsic to socialism.... The Jew, however, does not understand
this at all. His socialism consists of sacrificing others for himself.
This is what Marxism is like in practice.... The struggle we are now
waging today until victory or the bitter end, is in its deepest sense,
a struggle between Christ and Marx. Christ: the principle of love.
Marx: the principle of hate.
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Christ cannot have been a Jew. I do not need to prove this with
science or scholarship. It is so!
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
A Jew is for me an object of disgust. I feel like vomiting when I see
one. Christ could not possibly have been a Jew. It is not necessary to
prove that scientifically-- it is a fact.
-Joseph Goebbels, in his attempt to win the eternal gratitude of
Hitler, (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
When today a clique accuses us of having anti-Christian opinions, I
believe that the first Christian, Christ himself, would discover more
of his teaching in our actions than in this theological hair-
splitting.
-Joseph Goebbels, Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin, 2 March 1934:
Hamburg, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
When we call for the unification of the Protestant Church, we do so
because we do not see how, in a time when the whole Reich is unifying
itself, twenty-eight Landeskirchen can persist.... In the
interpretation of the Gospel one may hold the command of God higher
than human commands. In the interpretation of political realities, we
consider ourselves to be God's instrument.
-Joseph Goebbels, Hannover Kurier, 29 March 1935, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
A verbal confession cannot suffice; we require an active confession.
Christianity to us is no empty form, but rather a continual action.
-Joseph Goebbels, in a speech from 1935, Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Aug.
1935, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great house
of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the
Führer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty.
-Joseph Goebbels, in a broadcast, 19 April 1936
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Hermann Göring
An early member of the Nazi party and one of its principle leaders,
Goring founded the Gestapo and served as the Reichsluftfahrtminister
of the Luftwaffe.
We have told the churches that we stand for positive Christianity.
Through the zeal of our faith, the strength of our faith, we have once
again shown what faith means, we have once again taken the Volk, which
believed in nothing, back to faith.
-Hermann Göring in a 1935 speech, Positives Christentum, 3 Nov. 1935,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
In the same speech, Göring attacked paganists:
Naturally there are always people at work who represent a type of
provocateur, who have come to us because they imagine National
Socialism to be something other than it is, who have all kinds of
fantastic and confused plans, who misunderstand National Socialist
racial thought and overstate their declaration to blood and soil [Blut
und Boden], and who in their romantic dreams are surrounded by Wotan
and Thor and the like. Such exaggerations can harm our movement, since
they make the movement look ridiculous, and ridiculousness
[Lacherlichkeit] is always something most harmful. When I hear that a
"Germanic wedding' is to be celebrated, I have to ask: my God, what do
you understand to be a Germanic wedding? What do you understand to be
National Socialism?
-Hermann Göring in a 1935 speech, Positives Christentum, 3 Nov. 1935,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
That same year, Göring married his second wife, Emmy, in a Lutheran
service officiated by Reich Bishop Müller with Hitler as "Best Man."
Later, he would also give his daughter Edda a Lutheran baptism.
[Steigmann-Gall] To see a photo of the wedding, click here.
God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and
unshakeable faith, that he [Hitler] was sent to us by God to save
Germany.
-Hermann Göring (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
How shall I give expression, O my Führer, to what is in our hearts?
How shall I find words to express your deeds? Has there ever been a
mortal as beloved as you, my Führer? Was there ever belief as strong
as the belief in your mission. You were sent us by God for Germany!
-Hermann Göring (Reden und Aufsatze, Munich, 1938)
Although he himself [Hitler] was a Catholic, he wished the Protestant
Church to have a stronger position in Germany, since Germany was two-
thirds Protestant.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
The Führer wanted to achieve the unification of the Protestant
Evangelical Churches by appointing a Reich Bishop, so that there would
be a high Protestant church dignitary as well as a high Catholic
church dignitary.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
With the Catholic Church the Führer ordered a concordat to be
concluded by Herr Von Papen. Shortly before that agreement was
concluded by Herr Von Papen I visited the Pope myself. I had numerous
connections with the higher Catholic clergy because of my Catholic
mother, and thus-- I am myself a Protestant-- I had a view of both
camps.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
I myself am not what you might call a churchgoer, but I have gone now
and then, and have always considered I belonged to the Church and have
always had those functions over which the Church presides-- marriage,
christening, burial, et cetera-- carried out in my house by the
Church.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
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Rudolf Hess
Hess edited Hitler's book Mein Kampf and served as Hitler's deputy. He
emerged as a prominent figure in Nazi Germany. You take an oath to a
man whom you know follows the laws of providence, which he obeys
independently of the influence of earthly powers, who leads the German
people rightly, and who will guide Germany's fate. Through your oath
you bind yourselves to a man who--that is our faith--was sent to us by
higher powers. Do not seek Adolf Hitler with your mind. You will find
him through he strength of your hearts!
-Rudolf Hess, in his speech, "The Oath to Adolf Hitler," 1934
We believe that the Führer is fulfilling a divine mission to German
destiny! This belief is beyond challenge.
-Rudolf Hess, speech, 20 June 1934 (Reden, Munich. 1938, p. 25)
With all our powers we will endeavour to be worthy of the Führer thou,
O Lord, has sent us!
-Rudolf Hess, address to political leaders, Munich , 21 April 1938
(Rolf Tell, Sound and Führer)
No matter what human beings do I shall some day stand before the
judgement seat of the Eternal. I shall answer to Him, and I know he
will judge me innocent.
-Rudolf Hess, in a statement to the Nuremberg Tribunal, (Hitler's
Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen,"
Berkley Books, 1990)
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Hans Hinkel
Hinkel gained influential positions in Goebbels' Reich Chamber of
Culture (Reichskulturkammer) and Propaganda Ministry, where he became
head of both the Jewish section and the film department. [Richard
Steigmann-Gall]
Through his acts and his spiritual attitude he began the fight which
we still wage today; with Luther the revolution of German blood and
feeling against alien elements of the Volk was begun.
-Hans Hinkel, [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
To continue and complete his Protestantism, nationalism must make the
picture of Luther, of a German fighter, live as an example above the
barriers of confession for all German blood comrades.
-Hans Hinkel, Der Tag, 17 Feb. 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Heinrich Himmler
One of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany, Himmler served as the
commander of the German Schutzstaffel (SS) and controlled the Gestapo.
He grew up as a devout Catholic and attended mass regularly.
Eventually he moved away from Catholicism toward Aryan occultist
beliefs, but he, nevertheless, never lost his belief in God and he
thought of Jesus as an Aryan. I swear before God this holy oath, that
I shall give absolute confidence to the Fuehrer of the German Reich
and people.
-Heinrich Himmler, reminding his hearers about the oath taken by all
SS men as well as by the military forces (Hitler's Elite, Shocking
Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books,
1990)
In ideological training I forbid every attack against Christ as a
person, since such attacks or insults that Christ was a Jew are
unworthy of us and certainly untrue historically.
-Heinrich Himmler, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, 28 June 1937:
Berlin, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
You Einsatztruppen (task forces) are called upon to fulfill a
repulsive duty. But you are soldiers who have to carry out every order
unconditionally. You have a responsibility before God and Hitler for
everything that is happening. I myself hate this bloody business and I
have been moved to the depths of my soul. But I am obeying the highest
law by doing my duty. Man must defend himself against bedbugs and
rats-- against vermin.
-Heinrich Himmler, in a speech to the SS guards, (Hitler's Elite,
Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley
Books, 1990)
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Rudolf Hoess
Hoess served as a senior Nazi official, member of the SS and Waffen-SS
(with the rank of SS-Obersturmbannführer) and commandant of the
Auschwitz concentration camp where he held responsibility for the
murder of hundreds of thousands of people.
In his Nuremberg cell, Rudolf Hoess told psychologist G.M. Gilbert how
he got brought up in a rigorous Catholic tradition:My father was
really a bigot. He was very strict and fanatical. I learned that my
father took a religious oath at the time of the birth of my younger
sister, dedicating me to God and the priesthood, and after that
leading a Joseph married life [celibacy]. He directed my entire
youthful education toward the goal of making me a priest. I had to
pray and go to church endlessly, do penance over the slightest
misdeed-- praying as punishment for any little unkindness to my
sister, or something like that.
-Rudolf Hoess (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
When asked if his father ever beat him, Hoess replied that he was only
punished by prayer:The thing that made me so stubborn and probably
made me later on cut off from people was his way of making me feel
that I had wronged him personally, and that, since I was spiritually a
minor, he was responsible to God for my sins.
-Rudolf Hoess (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
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Joachim Hossenfelder
Hossenfelder, a student of theology after WWI became a Protestant
country pastor in Sillies. In 1929 he joined the Nazi Party, and in
1933 became the head of the German Christian Movement in Berlin which
attempted to combine Christianity and Nazism to reflect Hitler's view
of "Positive Christianity." Hossenfelder liked to call the movement,
"The Storm Troops of Jesus Christ."
To become warriors for God and fatherland was the task the war had set
for us.
-Joachim Hossenfelder (facinghistorycampus.org)
God had brought [the German] Volk into being and he had done so
through Hitler, Volk was race and God wants race.
-Joachim Hossenfelder (facinghistorycampus.org)
Christian faith is a heroic, manly thing. God speaks in blood and Volk
a more powerful language than He does in the idea of humanity.
-Joachim Hossenfelder (Protestant Churches)
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Hanns Kerrl
Born into a Protestant family in Fallersleben, Kerrl joined the NSDAP
in 1923. He served as Prussian Justice Minister and later, Reich
Church Minister. He also established a central "Reich Church
Committee." [Steigmann-Gall] Kerrl tried to mediate between the
divisions amongst the churches and stressed the religious aspect of
the Nazi "positive" Christianity ideology.
The Führer wants to protect positive Christianity; this must be
maintained. It is necessary, therefore, to seize upon the power of the
Christian confessions which affirm the state and National Socialism,
and to maintain church life.
-Hanns Kerrl, Dokumente zur Kirchenpolitik, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Kerrl strongly opposed Alfred Rosenberg's paganist and anticlerical
attempts. At the end of 1939, Rosenberg sought to elevate his position
from a purely party office to a more imposing state office so that he
could have more control over religious issues. [Steigmann-Gall] In a
meeting in 1940 to resolve the issue of Rosenberg's appointment, Kerrl
noted that:
The Third Reich needs Christianity and the churches because it has
nothing to replace the Christian religion and Christian morality....
His appointment will result in marked unrest among the Volk, which is
precisely what we must avoid during the war under all circumstances.
Many Nazis opposed Rosenberg's post, including Hitler. In fact Hitler
cited Kerrl's argument as the most compelling for canceling
Rosenberg's new post. [Steigmann-Gall]
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Erich Koch
Koch served as Gauleiter of East Prussia and later Reich Commissioner
for Ukraine. He also functioned as President of the East Prussian
Protestant Church Synod when the Third Reich began. He founded his own
regional variation of the German Chrisitans (Deutsche Christen) party.
We commit ourselves, and we demand this commitment not only from the
elected representatives of the church, but above all from all
Protestant men and women, to service in our communities! We want to
serve: through tireless recruitment to our worship; through chivalrous
intervention for the poor and needy, through defence of our faith;...
through true Evangelical witness in public.
-Erich Koch, as quoted in Scholder, Churches, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Only we can enter into Luther's spirit.... Human cults do not set us
free from all sin, but faith alone. With us the church shall become a
serving member of the state.... There is a deep sense that our
celebration is not attended by superficiality, but rather by thanks to
a man who saved German cultural values.
-Erich Koch, Konigsberg-Hartungsche Zeitung, 20 Nov. 1933, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Wilhelm Kube
Kube began his postwar political life as General Secretary of the
German National People's Party (Deutschnationale Volkspartei, or
DNVP). Through the DNVP he moved into the NSDAP in 1928 and served as
Gauteiter of Brandenburg (later "Kurmark"). More importantly to this
subject, he cofounded the German Christians (Deutsche Christen, or
DC), a party within the Protestant Church that originally went by the
name Protestant National Socialists. It came from Hitler's suggestion
that "German Christians" served as a better name for the party. Kube
wanted to "gain control of the churches" and to "bring the churches in
hand." [Steigmann-Gall]
Kube had a long link with Protestantism as he had an active life in a
parish community council in Berlin after the First World War and had
become a member of the synod of the Diocese of Berlin. His role in
founding the German Christian movement came from his conviction that
Nazism represented the true interests of German Protestantism rather
than from a cynical posturing for the sake of winning votes.
[Steigmann-Gall]Precisely because we affirm it, because we are
convinced that Christianity and Germanhood have come together in so
infinitely many respects that they cannot be separated.... We have
confidence in the German state, that its politics are not opposed to
Christian interests and Christian sensibilities, but rather that it
will look after these interests in all circumstances.
-Wilhelm Kube, cofounder of the German Christians party (Deutsche
Christen, or DC), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
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Joachim Ribbentrop
A fanatical Nazi and anti-semite, Ribbentrop became Hitler's favourite
foreign policy advisor and served as Foreign Minister of Germany from
1938 until 1945.May God save Germany!
-Joachim Ribbentrop, his last words before his hanging, (Hitler's
Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen,"
Berkley Books, 1990)
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Bernhard Rust
Rust joined the NSDAP in 1922 and Hitler appointed him as Minister of
Science, Art, and Education for Prussia. Later he served as Minister
of Education in Nazi Germany.In the 150-year Wars of Religion we were,
as a Reich and Volk, almost destroyed. Today we stand in a bitter
struggle for existence against Bolshevism. I appeal to the Christian
churches of both confessions to join with us against this enemy in
defense of their living values of belief and morality.
-Bernhard Rust, Volkischer Beobachter, 9 Feb. 1933, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without
God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation would
not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God
has bestowed on our people.
-Bernhard Rust, in a speech to a mass meeting of German Chrisitans on
June 29, 1933 [Helmreich]
Since Martin Luther closed his eyes, no such son of our people has
appeared again. It has been decided that we shall be the first to
witness his reappearance.... I think the time is past when one may not
say the names of Hitler and Luther in the same breath. They belong
together; they are of the same old stamp [Schrot und Korn].
-Bernhard Rust, Volkischer Beobachter, 25 Aug. 1933, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We have not fought to build a paganistic temple, but to unite the
German Volk for all eternity. We do not build temples against the
Christian church, we do not want Valhalla as a substitute for a
Christian heaven.
-Bernhard Rust, Das Evangelische Deutschland, 1 July 1934, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Neither the Reformation nor the Counter-Reformation fully conquered
all of Germany, nor did either create a Christian state religion. The
National Socialist program commits itself to positive Christianity.
However, the German Volk, split into two religions, cannot express one
confession to Christian dogma, but only to practical Christianity. The
two confessions can find each other in Christian ethics, whereas in
dogma the Volk breaks in two.
-Bernhard Rust, Deutsche Allgmeine Zeitung, 23 March 1935, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
What Christianity achieves is not dogma, it does not seek the outward
ecclesiastical form, but rather ethical principles.... There is not
religion and no philosophy that equals it in its moral content; no
philosophical ethics is better able to diffuse the tension between
this life and the hereafter, from which Christianity and its ethic
were born.
-Bernhard Rust, Reichsbote, 31 March 1935: in Bundesarchiv Potsdam,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Hans Schemm
Schemm served as the Head of the National Socialist Teachers' League
(Nationalsozialistischer Lehrerbund, or NSLB). After 1933 he became
Bavarian Minister of Education and Culture. Throughout the Reich,
Germans particularly knew Schemm for his slogan, "Our religion is
Christ, our politics Fatherland!" He designed his speeches, famous in
Bavaria, to cast Nazism as a religious revival. Police reports stated,
Schemm spoke "like a pastor" and often ended his deliveries with the
Lutheran hymn "A Mighty Fortress is our God."We are no theologians, no
representatives of the teaching profession in this sense, put forth no
theology. But we claim one thing for ourselves: that we place the
great fundamental idea of Christianity in the enter of our ideology
[Ideenwelt]- the hero and sufferer Christ himself stands in the
center.
-Hans Schemm, Walter Kunneth, Werner Wilm, and Hans Schemm, Was haben
wir als evangelische Christen zum Rufe des Nationalsozialismus zu
sagen? (Dresden, 1931), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
Each confession in honor, but the common holy bond, which is tied
together through both confessions, must always be emphasized on
account of the German and Christian community. We all say a Lord's
Prayer, we all have a Savior, we all have a Christmas celebration. The
banner above both confessions is: Christianity.
-Hans Schemm, Walter Kunneth, Werner Wilm, and Hans Schemm, Was haben
wir als evangelische Christen zum Rufe des Nationalsozialismus zu
sagen? (Dresden, 1931), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
We all say a Lord's Prayer, we all have a Savior, we all have a
Christmas celebration. The banner above both confessions is:
Christianity.
-Hans Schemm, Kunneth et al., Rufe des Nationalsozialismus, [cited
from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
The Protestant League stands very close to the NSDAP. It is
consciously German and, through moral and religious power, wants to
contribute to the building up of the German people.
-Hans Schemm, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, (6 March 1931: Berlin),
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Note, In his original letter to Schemm, Wilhelm Fahrenhorst, head of
the Protestant League, indicated that he had spoken with Göring on the
NSDAP's connection to Protestantism. Source: Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf (20 Dec. 1930), cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The
Holy Reich
The Protestant League stands very close to the NSDAP. It is
consciously German and, through moral and religious power, wants to
contribute to the building up of the German people.... [It has] the
same line as the NSDAP against the Center as [representatives of]
political, ultramontane Catholicism.
-Hans Schemm, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, (6 March 1931: Berlin),
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
It is henceforth the goal of the Education Ministry that every child
in Bavarian schools shall be made familiar with the principles of the
Christian and national state.... Religious instruction is nothing
other than service to the soul of children. Faith in god and the
personality of the teacher must be expressed in a realistic
instruction filled with religious sincerity.
-Hans Schemm, Dokumente zur Kirchenpolitik, 27 June 1933, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Note, Schemm reiterated these points in a document written in late
June 1933, when the NSDAP no longer needed to court the political
favor of the Reichstag's Christian parties. [Steigmann-Gall]
So long as the Bible was available to us only in a foreign language,
so long as it was only spoken to us in Latin, we could only grasp it
as things are grasped through the iron gloves of a knight: he is aware
of the shape and weight , but can only feel iron. When Luther made the
Bible accessible to Germans in the glorious German language, it was as
if we had cast off the iron glove and with the flesh and blood of our
German hand were finally able to grasp our unique character.... The
older and more experienced he became, the less he could understand one
particular type of person: this was the Jew. His engagement against
the decomposing Jewish spirit is clearly evident not only from his
writing against the Jews; his life too was idealistically,
philosophically antisemitic. Now we Germans of today have the duty to
recognize and acknowledge this.
-Hans Schemm, "Luther und das Deutschtum," Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf (19 Nov. 1933: Berlin), [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
Our confession to God is a confession of a doctrine of totality.... To
give ultimate significance to the totalities of race, resistance and
personality there is added the supreme totalitarian slogan of our
Volk: "Religion and God." God is the greatest totality and extends
over all else.
-Hans Schemm, (Gertrud Kahl-Furthmann (ed.), Hans Schemm spricht:
Seine Reden und sein Werk (Bayreuth, 1935), [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
What went for Luther goes for us as well: only through the mirror of
our blood and our race are we able to see God as he must be seen.
-Hans Schemm, (Gertrud Kahl-Furthmann (ed.), Hans Schemm spricht:
Seine Reden und sein Werk (Bayreuth, 1935), [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We wish for nothing as ardently as a powerful Protestant Church which
stands on the foundations prepared by the great Reformer martin
Luther.... It is not possible for a church to stand apart or against
the Volk. Rather the church must stand in service to the Volk. The
great Nazarene did not stand apart in a quiet corner.
-Hans Schemm, [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Baldur Benedikt von Schirach
A prominent Nazi official, Schirach served as the head of the Hitler-
Jugend (HJ, Hitler Youth) and Gauleiter and Reichsstatthalter
("Imperial Governor") of Vienna.
Like many German Christians (especially Protestants), Schirach
believed that Christianity and the churches did not describe the same
thing. (It goes much to this reason why many American Christians who
do not understand the religious conflicts in Germany, see Nazis as
against Christianity, not realizing that they attacked the political
aims of the churches, not Christianity itself or Jesus. This
especially held more for the Protestants because many Protestants in
Germany saw Catholicism as an encroachment against their faith. They
say of us that we are an anti-Christian movement. They even say that I
am an outspoken paganist.... I solemnly declare here, before the
German public, that I stand on the basis of Christianity, but I
declare just as solemnly that I will put down every attempt to
introduce confessional matters into our Hitler Youth.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, in a December1933 speech in
Braunschweig, [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
If today he descended from Heaven, the great warrior who struck the
moneychangers/ You would once again shout 'crucify!'/ And nail him to
the cross that he himself carried/ But he would gently laugh at your
hatred/ 'The truth remains even when your bearers are passed/ Faith
remains, because I give my life...'/ And the fighter of all the world
towers on the cross.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Evangelium im Dritten Reich, 1 July
1934: in Bundesarchiv Potsdam, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's
The Holy Reich]
In no manner does the HJ restrict the religious activities of its
members. Neither in their visits to Sunday services, nor in their
contribution to other church festivities, will Catholic Hitler youths
be restricted by the leadership of the HJ.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Baldur von Schirach, Die Hitler-Jugend:
Idee und Gestalt (Berlin, 1934), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's
The Holy Reich]
I hold the view that religious meetings and events in special
religious youth gatherings do not contradict the HJ's totalizing
claims. Every effort that aims at a deepening and intensification of
religious feeling must not only be welcomed, but also led, by any
youth leadership with a sense of responsibility. I believe that
through the agreement with the Reich Bishop of the Protestant Chuch,
the Hitler Youth has indicated that it is ready to grant the necessary
space for religious education.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Schirach, Hitler-jugend, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We all believe in an almighty God. We are all, even the youngest among
us, witnesses to the wonderful transformation that the Volk has
experienced through His help, the transformation from impotence and
destruction to strength and harmony. The Hitler Youth wants nothing
less than to secure this strength and harmony for all time.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Markische Volkszeitung, 3 June 1935,
Bundesarchiv Potsdam, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
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Ludwig Siebert
Siebert served as the Governor-General of Bavaria. Hitler had also
made him the official responsible for the restoration of all the
German castles in the Reich. Siebert presided over the inauguration of
Hans Meiser as Bavarian State Bishop in June 1933. On that occasion
Siebert expressed his desire to work with Meiser:
church and state must discuss and promote the same questions.... 1)
The awakening of a sense of sacrifice; 2) The creation of the new
social ethic; 3) Leading our youth to Volk and God, to Fatherland and
Christianity.
-Ludwig Siebert, June 1933, Dokumente zur Kirchenpolitik, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Julius Streicher
Julius Streicher, the ninth child of a Roman Catholic primary school
teacher, also became a school teacher in Nuremberg. He published,
edited, and wrote for the German newspaper Der Stürmer and served as a
prominent Nazi prior to and during World War II.
After Hitler's release from prison in December 1924, Streicher hailed
Hitler's return to politics as a "gift of God," a judgement the
Fuehrer never forgot.
Streicher held an enthusiam about allegations that the Jews murdered
non-Jews in order to obtain blood for the feast of Passover. He
charged that Jews hated Christianity and mankind in general. Streicher
went to grotesque lengths in his attacks on Jews claiming the
discovery that "Christ was not a Jew but an Aryan."If the danger of
the reproduction of that curse of God in the Jewish blood is finally
to come to an end, then there is only one way-- the extermination of
that people whose father is the devil...
-Julius Streicher paraphrasing John 8:44 as his justification for
extermination (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol. 12)
Only the Jews, he shouted, had remained victorious after the dreadful
days of World War I. These were the people, he charged, of whom Christ
said, "Its father is the devil."
-Julius Streicher [See John 8:44, for Christ's accusation of father
the devil], (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
Germans must fight Jews, that organized body of world criminals
against whom Christ, the greatest anti-Semite of all time, had
fought.
-Julius Streicher (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's
Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
[We] relentlessly fight the shady mixing of religion and Jewish party
politics, and fight to keep religion pure, as did the Lord when he
threw the hagglers and usurers out of the Temple.
-Julius Streicher "Kulturkampf!" (Flugblatt): IfZ MA 740 (10 March
1924: Munich), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
During the Nuremberg trials, Streicher was asked about his
participation in the Nuremberg Race laws of 1935. He responded:Yes, I
believe I had a part in it insofar as for years I have written that
any further mixture of German blood with Jewish blood must be avoided.
I have written such articles again and again; and in my articles I
have repeatedly emphasized the fact that the Jews should serve as an
example to every race, for they created the racial law for
themselves-- the law of Moses, which says, "If you come into a foreign
land you shall not take unto yourself foreign women." And that,
Gentlemen, is of tremendous importance in judging the Nuremberg Laws..
These laws of the Jews were taken as a model for these laws. When
after centuries, the Jewish lawgiver Ezra demonstrated that
notwithstanding many Jews had married non-Jewish women, these
marriages were dissolved. That was the beginning of Jewry which,
because it introduced these racial laws, has survived throughout the
centuries, while all other races and civilizations have perished.
-Julius Streicher, (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol. 12)
[Note, although Streicher had a part in the race laws, Hitler outlined
his religious justification for the race laws in his private notes
before he came into power. To see a translation from one of Hitler's
notes, click here.]
When asked if there were any other anti-Semitic publications, other
than Der Stürmer, published in Germany, Streicher replied:
Anti-Semitic publications have existed in Germany for centuries. A
book I had, written by Dr. Martin Luther, was, for instance,
confiscated. Dr. Martin Luther would very probably sit in my place in
the defendants' dock today, if this book had been taken into
consideration by the Prosecution. In this book The Jews and Their
Lies, Dr. Martin Luther writes that the Jews are a serpent's brood and
one should burn down their synagogues and destroy them...
-Julius Streicher, (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol. 12)'''
[For Luther's book, On the Jews and their lies, click here.]
Now it goes to God!
-Julius Streicher, as he mounted the gallows platform to his death,
(Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious
Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
Purim Fest, 1946.
-Julius Streicher, his last words before his hanging, (Hitler's Elite,
Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley
Books, 1990)
Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister
<snip>
Social Darwinism is nothing to do with Darwin, evolution or even
biology. It was a term coined by biologists to describe the
dysfunctional pseudo-science of Eugenics, which was based not on
natural selection, but wild hypotheses posited by mostly Christian
white supremacists recycling bad statistical methodologies coined by
Francis Galton. They're still at it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(author)
Rev. 11D Meow!
GO TEAM AMERICA!!!
"Pastor Kutchie, ordained atheist minister" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote
in message news:1177663452.5...@s33g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message news:1177615600.2...@b40g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> refers to nothing but his own posts.
Fuller Text
Goebbels, Joseph. 1948. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1942-1943_, edited,
translated, and with an introduction by Louis P. Lochner (NY:
Doubleday & Company, Inc.), 566pp. Brackets and elisions aren't mine;
on 376-7, from the entry for 13 May 1943:
I have devoted exhaustive study to the _Protocols of Zion_. In the
past the objection was always made that they were not suited to
present-day propaganda. In reading them now I find that we can use
them very well. The _Protocols of Zion_ are as modern today as they
were when published for the first time....
[_The Protocols of the Elders of Zion_ were a scurrilous
publication of alleged Jewish aims for world conquest
and of the existence of an occult Jewish Government
which formed the basis of a celebrated libel suit at Berne,
Switzerland, in 1935. Experts from a number of
countries, including Germany, were summoned to testify.
One claim was that the _Protocols_ had been fabricated
by the Russian Czarist police. The ruling of the court on
May 14, 1935, was that the _Protocols of Zion_ were
forged and faked.]
At noon I mentioned this to the Fuehrer. He believed the _Protocols_
were absolutely genuine.... The Jewish question, in the Fuehrer's
opinion, will play a decisive role in England.... In all the world,
he
said, the Jews are alike. Whether they live in a ghetto of the East
or
in the bankers' palaces of the City or Wall Street, they will always
pursue the same aims and without previous agreement even use the same
means. One might well ask why are there any Jews in the world order?
That would be exactly like asking why are there potato bugs? Nature
is
dominated by the law of struggle. There will always be parasites who
will spur this struggle on and intensify the process of selection
between the strong and the weak. The principle of struggle dominates
also
in human life. One must merely know the laws of this struggle to be
able to face it. The intellectual does not have the natural means of
resisting the Jewish peril because his instincts have been badly
blunted. Because of this fact the nations with a high standard of
civilization are exposed to this peril first and foremost. In nature
life always takes measures against parasites; in the life of nations
that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish peril actually
stems. There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations
except to exterminate the Jew....
There is no hope of leading the Jews back into the fold of civilized
humanity by exceptional punishments. They will forever remain Jews,
just as we are forever members of the Aryan race.
The Jew was also the first to introduce the lie into politics as a
weapon. Aboriginal man, the Fuehrer believes, did not know the
lie....
The higher the human being developed intellectually, the more he
acquired the ability of hiding his innermost thoughts and giving
expression to something different from what he really felt. The Jew
as
an absolutely intellectual creature was
the first to learn this art. He can therefore be regarded not only as
the carrier but even the inventor of the lie among human beings.
Because of their thoroughly materialistic attitude, the English act
very much like the Jews. In fact, they are the Aryans who have
acquired most of the Jewish characteristics.... The nations that have
been the first to see through the Jew and have been the first to fight
him are going to take his place in the domination of the world.
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Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/5c52c58f8f123208?
Hitler: law of selection justifies incessant struggle/ war
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/6ab79a88a19145a0?
1940 Nazi film "All Life is Struggle" embraced Darwinian natural
selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407042043.1c2ccf1f%40posting.google.com
excerpts from a 1942 Nazi biology textbook for the middle school
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/textbk01.htm
1942 Heydrich:
The Jews... no doubt a large part of them will be
eliminated by natural diminution. The survivors, the
hardiest among them, must be given an appropriate
treatment, because they represent a natural selection....
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407032023.243f5883%40posting.google.com
Hitler and Rolle parallel
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/5fa25b3efc264596?
Hitler and Haeckel parallel
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/a70c547d1f53588b?
Hitler encounters the T0E: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/e9b71ae73bcf99a3?
Essay on Problems with Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.10A.B3.10005310900310.17702-100000%40jabba.gl.umbc.edu
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> Actually the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism,
Names of some Nazis that "adopted Lemarkianism"?
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Nazi Darwinist Johann S.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143660228.632158.182410%40t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Claim: Haeckel joined the Thule Society.
Reality: that claim is unsubstantiated:
control - f/ "find" for: the search
http://www.waldorfcritics.com/active/archives/WCA0102.2.html
control - f/ "find" for: apologies
http://www.xn--enzyklopdie-s8a.de/Ernst_Haeckel.html
> something that's the
> exact opposite of the fact of evolution.
Did Lamarck accept "the fact of evolution"?
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Stalin's contributions to science
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406212039.69fbcce1%40posting.google.com
Stalin allegedly preached atheism using Darwin bible
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175268167.876265.221930%40l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[Fredric Rice]"the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism"
Draft 2 of a chronology of Darwinian thought and the march to the
Final Solution
Dawkins, Richard. 1989. _The Selfish Gene_ (NY: Oxford University
Press), 352pp. On 2:
....I think 'nature red in tooth and claw' sums up our modern
understanding of natural selection admirably.
Darwin, Charles. 1859. _On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural
Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for
Life_ (London: John Murray), 513pp.
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/5c52c58f8f123208?
1989 Koster: "it was Christianity that put an end to slavery around
the globe"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406281819.5f06fed5%40posting.google.com
1863 Darwinist ethnologist Oscar Peschel:
The Negro is far removed from the European and close to
the ape through its small build, through the relatively
small breadth of its skull, through its relatively long upper
limbs, and further the relatively short length of the
thigh.... Also the Negro is more animal, in that it gives
off a disgusting odor, distorts its face in grimaces, and its
voice has a harsh, grating tone.
Cited in
Weikart, Richard. 2004. _From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics,
Eugenics, and Racism in Germany_ (USA: Palgrave Macmillan), 312pp.,
112. About Weikart's book:
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407030531.19253d93%40posting.google.com
1866 Rolle and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/5fa25b3efc264596?
1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/a70c547d1f53588b?
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the
Caucasian"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/e9b71ae73bcf99a3?
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/af7ba99b77080b21?
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/3ad5873afc8b3c80?
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/939d21b69b475095?
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/02471e07781c7e66?
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/47c284defb4765dd?
Haeckel on murdering the disabled
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate; Hitler was a
homosexual
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/9024224bd3d87aec?
1934 Ebermayer: "Hess... was for many years the Fuhrer's partner"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/e2c0f26ebb5d381b?
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/3b06bb633ef68ea1?
Proctor, Robert N. 1988. _Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis_
(Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press), 414pp. On 6:
The published record of the German medical profession
makes it clear that many intellectuals cooperated fully in
Nazi racial programs, and that many of the social and
intellectual foundations for these programs were laid long
before the rise of Hitler to power. What I want to argue in
addition to this, however (and here I shall be drawing
upon a growing body of recent German scholarship on
this question) is that biomedical scientists played an
active, even leading role in the initiation, administration,
and execution of Nazi racial programs.
2004 Richard Weikart: "physicians... were committed to a racist
eugenics ideology that the Nazis favored"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407120310.7d3f3929%40posting.google.com
1922 Max Nordau:
Good and bad.... are subject to the laws of evolution in
society and therefore in a constant state of flux....
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0411271314.4b84581e%40posting.google.com
undated Theodor Fritsch-- Weikart characterizes Fritsch as [Weikart
on
55]"a highly influential anti-Semitic publicist":
Morality and ethics arise from the law of preservation of
the species, of the race. Whatever insures the future of
the species, whatever is suited to raise the species to an
ever higher level of physical and mental perfection, that is
moral.
Cited in Weikart, 55.
early 1930s Hitler: "the process of selection can be accelerated by
political means"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/7e16e9cbc9fb4b19?
If you were in 1938 Nazi Germany, would you have opposed or supported
the killing of Baby Knauer?
From
1997 Wesley Smith on Germany's slippery slope slide from devaluing
some human life to a little euthanasia/ killing to mass killings
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
That case came to their
attention in late 1938. A baby had been born with birth
defects: Baby Knauer was blind and had a leg and part of
an arm missing. The parents were distraught and,
accepting the general value system of their time, were
deeply ashamed to have brought a useless eater into the
world. They wrote requesting permission to have their
child "put to sleep." Hitler was quite interested in the
case and sent one of his personal physicians, Karl
Rudolph Brandt, to investigate. Brandt's instructions
from the Fuhrer were to verify the facts of the baby's
condition and, if true, to assure the child's doctors and
her parents that if she was killed, no one would face
punishment or liability. Brandt was then to witness the
euthanasia and report back to Hitler. The doctors in the
case who met with Brandt agreed that there was "no
justification for keeping the child alive," and Baby
Knauer soon became one of the first victims of the
Holocaust.^27
1939
Wesley Smith in his 1997 _Forced Exit: The Slippery Slope from
Assisted Suicide to Legalized Murder_
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3abe1cF6ac7t2U1%40individual.net
In early 1939, children born with birth defects or with
congenital diseases began to be killed under the
euthanasia program. These unfortunate children were
admitted to medical clinics by their doctors, where they
would be euthanized. Most of these children were
voluntarily turned over to medical authorities by their
own parents; some (but certainly not all) knew, or at least
suspected, that their disabled children were being sent to
their deaths. New reporting rules made it mandatory for
midwives and doctors to notify authorities when a baby
was born with birth defects. Once the referees
determined that the children were eligible for euthanasia,
they were killed either by intentional starvation or an
overdose of a drug, most typically a sedative called
Luminal. The euphemism of choice for this butchery was
"treatment."
It wasn't long before the list of those eligible to be killed
expanded.
Note the "killed either by intentional starvation or an overdose of a
drug."
1940 Nazi film "All Life is Struggle" embraced Darwinian natural
selection
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407042043.1c2ccf1f%40posting.google.com
1941 Hitler: law of selection justifies incessant struggle/ war
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/6ab79a88a19145a0?
1942 Eichmann: "possible final remnant... is the product of natural
selection," 1942 Heydrich
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/c075c58afa667237?
excerpts from a 1942 Nazi biology textbook for the middle school
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/textbk01.htm
1943 Goebbels: a "process of selection between the strong and the
weak"
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/b74948086f4a6984?
Paul Johnson: Hitler practiced social engineering
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407070355.27039a45%40posting.google.com
1973 Watson and 1978 Crick
From
1979 Schaeffer & Koop on the a-moral implications of atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-b1c67abe.0504061225.4c675814%40posting.google.com
In May 1973, James D. Watson, the Nobel Prize
laureate who discovered the double helix of DNA,
granted an interview to _Prism_ magazine, then a
publication of the American Medical Association.
_Time_ later reported the interview to the general
public, quoting Watson as having said,
If a child were not declared alive until three days
after birth, then all parents could be allowed the
choice only a few are given under the present
system. The doctor could allow the child to die
if the parents so choose and save a lot of misery
and suffering. I believe this view is the only
rational, compassionate attitude to have.
In January 1978, Francis Crick, also a Nobel
laureate, was quoted in the _Pacific News Service_
as saying,
. . . no newborn infant should be declared human
until it has passed certain tests regarding its
genetic endowment and that if it fails these tests
it forfeits the right to live.
Dawkins, Richard. 1989. _The Selfish Gene_ (NY: Oxford University
Press), 352pp. On 2:
....I think 'nature red in tooth and claw' sums up our modern
understanding of natural selection admirably.
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
any atheists against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved to death?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> I never said the Nazis were Xian.
the Nazi SS rejected Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175341802.025602.289620%40n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
> I said they used it for their own purposes.
Names of 3 Nazis that "used" Christianity "for their own purposes"?
> Hitler is known to have said of killing Jews:
> "We are doing the Lord's work."
Ref? Are you sure that that remark was said in relation to the
killing of 'Jews'?
> German so-called Xians were especially susceptible to
> this sort of thing,
Were German Protestants that didn't bother going to church while
eagerly partying in beer halls and enthusiastically cheering on their
teams in sports stadiums "so-called Xians"?
Heiden, Konrad. 1944. _Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power_,
translated almost entirely by Ralph Manheim, with Norbert Guterman
translating the last chapter and part of the prior chapter (Boston:
Houghton Mifflin Company), 788pp. Heiden also wrote _A History of
National Socialism_. On 631, 634:
To many [in the Nazi movement], and not always the
worst among them, only faith in their fatherland had
retained any meaning, their own nation had become
God....
The church-weariness and faithlessness of
considerable sections of the Protestant church
membership, especially in the big cities, was clear
from the emptiness of the churches. But the beer
halls and sport stadiums could no longer hold all the
people who thronged to political meetings.
Yet in the spring of 1933, the Catholic Church was
able to demonstrate its appeal to great masses in
Germany. ....
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Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Edward Livingston Youmans wrote a widely-used chemistry
textbook and lectured to the public about science.
Youmans to Herbert Spencer in 1871:
Twenty-five clergymen of Brooklyn sent for me to
meet them of a Saturday night and tell them what
they should do to be saved. I told them they would
find the way of life in the Biology and in the
_Descent of Man_. They said "very good," and
asked me to come again at the next meeting of the
clerical club, to which I went and was again
handsomely resoluted.
Cited in
Hofstadter, Richard. 1944, 1955. _Social Darwinism in American
Thought_ (Boston: Beacon Press), 248pp., 27. About Youmans: 14.
> given Luther's turn-about antipathy to
> Jews who refused his church as much as they did the
> Catholic one.
Luther's and Hitler's antis- were very different
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1149000825.650983.94540%40j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
'antisemitism' in Germany during 1890+
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1150830236.400414.19570%40p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
I've asked whether the Darwin below was correct as of: 1888? 1944?
Hitler would say that Darwin overlooked some history involving
[Hitler]"the Aryan" being [Hitler & Darwin]"master[s]" over
[Darwin]"subjugated... men" having [Darwin]"utility to their masters":
> Darwin, Charles. 1874 or 1888, but not the 1871 edition. _The Descent
> of Man_
> Chapter 2 - On the Manner of Development of Man from Some Lower Form
> http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-descent-of-man/chapter-02.html
> Some savage races, such as the Australians, are not
> exposed to more diversified conditions than are many
> species which have a wide range. In another and much
> more important respect, man differs widely from any
> strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never
> long been controlled, either by methodical or unconscious
> selection. No race or body of men has been so
> completely subjugated by other men, as that certain
> individuals should be preserved, and thus unconsciously
> selected, from somehow excelling in utility to their
> masters.
Compare the above Darwin with especially the 2nd Hitler extracts:
1. "Chapter X: Causes of the Collapse"
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch10.html
The last paragraph of the chapter:
The deepest and ultimate reason for the decline of the old
Reich lay in its failure to recognize the racial problem and
its importance for the historical development of peoples.
For events in the lives of peoples are not expressions of
chance, but processes related to the self-preservation
and propagation of the species and the race and subject
to the laws of Nature, even if people are not conscious of
the inner reason for their actions.
2. The next chapter, "Chapter XI: Nation and Race"
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html
Without this possibility of using lower human beings, the
Aryan would never have been able to take his first steps
toward his future culture;
==
Thus, for the formation of higher cultures the existence of
lower human types was one of the most essential
preconditions, since they alone were able to compensate
for the lack of technical aids without which a higher
development is not conceivable. It is certain that the first
culture of humanity was based less on the tamed animal
than on the use of lower human beings.
Only after the enslavement of subjected races == the conquered
warrior drew the plow
==
Hence it is no accident that the first cultures arose in
places where the Aryan, in his encounters with lower
peoples, subjugated them and bent them to his will.
==
As a conqueror he [the Aryan] subjected the lower beings
and regulated their practical activity under his command,
according to his will and for his aims.
==
As long as he ruthlessly upheld the master attitude, not
only did he really remain master, but also the preserver
and increaser of culture.
==
The Aryan gave up the purity of his blood and, therefore,
lost his sojourn in the paradise which he had made for
himself. He became submerged in the racial mixture, and
gradually, more and more, lost his cultural capacity, until
at last, not only mentally but also physically, he began to
resemble the subjected aborigines more than his own
ancestors.
==
Blood mixture and the resultant drop in the racial level is
the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do
not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that
force of resistance which is contained only in pure blood.
All who are not of good race in this world are chaff.
And all occurrences in world history are only the
expression of the races' instinct of self-preservation, in
the good or bad sense.
To reiterate the Darwin being compared with the 2nd Hitler extract:
Some savage races, such as the Australians, are not
exposed to more diversified conditions than are many
species which have a wide range. In another and much
more important respect, man differs widely from any
strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never
long been controlled, either by methodical or unconscious
selection. No race or body of men has been so
completely subjugated by other men, as that certain
individuals should be preserved, and thus unconsciously
selected, from somehow excelling in utility to their
masters.
> Nor have certain male and female individuals
> been intentionally picked out and matched, except in the
> well-known case of the Prussian grenadiers....
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Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the
Caucasian"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
Darwin on correlation between human skin colour and odour
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135051524.767332.265230%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin on certain "distinct races" of humans being "distinct species"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134742746.958656.6900%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
[1871 Darwin]"the Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the same Aryan
stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
[1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of
Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans."
[1871 Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more
frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
this Darwin correct as of: 1888? 1944?: "man differs widely from
any
strictly domesticated animal; for his breeding has never long been
controlled, either by methodical or unconscious selection"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134792419.066594.291390%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
fla...@verizon.net
On 27-Apr-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> On Apr 26, 5:00 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > I said they used it for their own purposes.
>
> Names of 3 Nazis that "used" Christianity "for their own purposes"?
Hitler, who said he was doing the Lord's work, and everyone
who agreed with him - which would then be, from the top
down, Goebbels, Goerring, Himmler.....
Susan
B'enyamin C'r'amer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:G5YYh.591$J54.292@trnddc04...
Martin Phipps
>
> Compare the above Darwin with especially the 2nd Hitler extracts:
<snip>
Hitler didn't understand evolution and neither do you. Evolution has
no goal, no guiding purpose: it is not a question of "higher" life
forms replacing "lower" life forms; it is simply a question of
diversification and survival. Man evolved from "lower" primates but
other primates are still here which only demonstrates that hey are
equally as well adapted to their environment as we are to ours. All
species that exist to this day have shown them selves to be "fit" to
survive: hence they are all equal as far as evolution is concerned.
It is only religion that tells people that they are the lords and
masters of the Earth and all the creatures that crawl upon it.
Martin
Martin Phipps
> On Apr 26, 9:57 pm, f...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> > Actually the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism,
>
> Names of some Nazis that "adopted Lemarkianism"?
Hitler, for one.
> > something that's the
> > exact opposite of the fact of evolution.
>
> Did Lamarck accept "the fact of evolution"?
The Nazis, like Lamark, believed that species evolved with a purpose,
ie that giraffes evolved long necks SO THEY COULD reach tall trees,
unlike natural selection which states that giraffes were able to
survive BECAUSE THEY COULD reach tall trees as a result of having long
necks. Nothing in what Hitler said indicates that he understood, let
alone followed, Darwin's theory of Natural Selection.
Martin
Martin Phipps
Why the obsession with Hitler? Is he your hero?
Martin
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> <snip>
>
> Why the obsession with Hitler? Is he your hero?
Atheism-adherent T.H. Huxley is my hero.
from
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/comm/Books/Taylor.html
Professor Huxley on the Negro Question
Ladies London Emancipation Society 1864
Mrs. P. A. Taylor
[3] The following extracts have been selected as
bearing especial reference to the Negro, from the
Reader's report of the last two lectures given by
Professor Huxley, on "The Structure and
Classification of the Mammalia," delivered at the
Royal College of Surgeons.
In the eighth lecture, on Feb. 18th, Professor
Huxley commenced a sketch of the principal
variations in form and proportion which are met with
in the human body under the different
circumstances which have given rise to the various
races of men. This interesting and fertile subject,
he observed, has unfortunately been cultivated
hitherto to a very small extent, and with very little of
the precision which its importance demands. From
the best series of the measurements of skeletons of
the two races extant, that made by Dr. Humphry, it
appears that the average height of the negro is less
than that of the European; the arms are
proportionately longer, particularly the fore-arm and
hand, and, in the lower extremity, while the femur
retains nearly the same relative length as in the
European, the tibia and foot are considerably
increased. In these deviations from the European
standard, the Australian and other low races agree
with the negro. There is no real evidence to show
[4] that the hallux, or great toe, is differently
constructed, or more movable, among the lower
than the higher races of men, though in the latter
the practice of wearing tight and hard shoes rarely
allows its proper development. The alleged
uniformly greater flatness of foot, and increased
length of heel of the negro, are equally hypothetical.
The modifications of the colour of the skin in
different races are well known; we speak of white or
black people, but in reality there are various shades
of brown, darker or lighter; a true black skin,
according to Professor Huxley's observations,
scarcely exists. In the character as well as the
colour of the hair, men vary much. The transverse
section of the hair of certain races is flattened, in
others it is oval, and, again, in others it is nearly
circular. It has been asserted, but not on sufficient
evidence, that the first form is characteristic of the
negro, the second of the Aryan, and the third of the
Mongolian races. In some hair of the first form, the
long axis of the diameter gradually changes its
position in the length of the hair, causing a crisp
curl, or spiral twist.
In the ninth lecture, on Feb. 20th, Professor Huxley
continued the description of the principal variations
of the human structure. It was first shown that the
position of the occipital foramen, and of the
condyles by which the skull rests upon the first
vertebrae of the neck, varies greatly both in
individuals and races; but as a general rule they are
placed further back in the lower than the higher
races.
==
There seems to be no relation between the
projection of this lobe and the position of the
individual in the scale of human beings; on the
whole, it seems as great, or greater among the
lower than in the higher races.
==
A considerable range may be observed in the
complexity of the convolutions in different brains.
On the whole, the convolutions in the lower have a
greater simplicity and symmetry than in the higher
races.
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1938 Shull: "Admixture of white blood is...related to
professional...success of the Negro."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142222711.810377.220200%40j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Huxley on The Aryan Question
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141703715.940457.279720%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Di Gregorio, Mario A. _T. H. Huxley's Place in Natural Science_ (New
Haven: Yale University Press), 253pp. On 183:
In other words, it is racist to introduce value
judgments into zoological surveys of physical
differences detectable in mankind. In that sense of
the word, with the possible exception of J. S. Mill,
nearly everyone whose voice was heard on race
and nation during the nineteenth century was racist
and nationalistic. That was partly because of
confusion between the concept of _race_ and the
highly abstract and scientifically indefinable concept
of _nation_. Anthropology and ethnology were
constantly entangled with nationalism, exacerbating
the degree to which value judgment became part of
science.
[Di Gregorio]"confusion between the concept of _race_ and the...
concept of _nation_"
Compare:
Jackel, Eberhard. 1969, 1972, 1981. _Hitler's World View: A
Blueprint
for Power_, translated from the German by Herbert Arnold (Cambridge,
MA: Harvard University Press), 140pp. About the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0674404254/sr=1-1/qid=1137613851/ref=sr_1_1/102-9779996-9934505?
On 88:
Hitler used "people" and "race," as
well as "tribe," "kindred," and
"nation," as virtually synonymous
terms.
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1859 Darwin vs. the Judeo-Christian conception of the unity of man
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120016676.023811.113660%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
is Darwin, or Hitler, today's most-famous Darwinist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138681336.761356.170100%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Martin Phipps
> On Apr 29, 4:10 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <snip>
>
> > Why the obsession with Hitler? Is he your hero?
>
> Atheism-adherent T.H. Huxley is my hero.
Good to hear. So I see you are interested in anthropology. Are you
aware of the fact that considerable progress has been made in the
field since 1864?
Martin
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
House Publishers), 336pp. The 1982 edition has more Madalyn Murray
O'Hair profanity. On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Life-Without-God-William-Murray/dp/0736903151
Near the end of chapter 1, two paragraphs on 12:
By this time Mother's antagonism toward God had
reached an advanced stage, which an incident in
the family lore reveals plainly. Sometime in early
1946, while pregnant with me, she was at home
with others in the family waiting out one of those
violent lightning storms that raise a fear of God in
most people. My mother, however, viewed the
storm as an occasion to make a point. After a
thunderclap sounded startlingly near the home, she
announced, "I'm going out in that storm to challenge
God to strike me and this child dead with one of
those lightning bolts. Come and watch!"
Her mother and brother stood at the door as she
strode dramatically out into the yard. When she
was sure her audience was in place, she shook her
hand menacingly toward the heavens and, at the
top of her voice, unleashed blasphemies intended to
provoke violent wrath from God. When enough time
had passed to indicate that God was not going to
respond, she strode triumphantly back inside,
saying excitedly, "You see, you see! If God exists,
He would surely have taken up my challenge. I've
proved irrefutably that God does not exist!"
Compare: "He [Mussolini] proclaimed himself to be an atheist and
several times tried to shock an audience by calling on God to strike
him dead."
Smith, Denis Mack. 1982. _Mussolini_ (NY: Alfred A. Knopf), 429pp.
On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Mussolini-Denis-Mack-Smith/dp/1842126067
On 8, a sentence and a paragraph from the section "Exile, 1902-4":
Often out of work and living what he called a _vie de
Boheme_, he was helped by some of the socialist
companions whom he later bitterly persecuted: the
socialist leader Serrati pawned his own possessions
to help Mussolini and let him sleep in his bed during
the daytime.
From his father he had learnt to be a thoroughgoing
anti-clerical. He proclaimed himself to be an atheist
and several times tried to shock an audience by
calling on God to strike him dead. He forcibly
denounced those socialists who thought religion a
matter for individual conscience or had their children
baptised. Science had proved that God did not
exist and the Jesus of history was an ignorant Jew
whose family thought him mad, and who was a
pigmy compared to the Buddha. Religion, he said,
was a disease of the psyche, an epidemic to be
cured by psychiatrists, and Christianity in particular
was vitiated by preaching the senseless virtues of
resignation and cowardice, whereas the new
socialist morality should celebrate violence and
rebellion.32
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O'Hair in
Marr, Lagarde and Langbehn, Haeckel,
Plate, Darwin, Goebbels, Marx, O'Hair
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132194665.884388.158410%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
"Religion, he [Mussolini] said, was a disease of the psyche, an
epidemic to be cured by psychiatrists"
Compare:
1959 Garrett Hardin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134409165.656045.203660%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
1997 Nicholas Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406081943.625bd70c%40posting.google.com
Andrew Brown's comments on Humphrey
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406131334.2de61508%40posting.google.com
1913 Lenin: "every religious idea, every idea of
God...is...vileness...'contagion'"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175046925.369909.39320%40y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
"Christianity... was vitiated by preaching the senseless virtues of
resignation and cowardice"
Compare:
atheism-adherent philosopher Nietzsche.
Both atheism-adherent Mussolini and atheism-adherent Hitler were huge
fans of atheism-adherent Nietzsche.
Also, atheism-adherent Mussolini was a huge fan of atheism-adherent
Marx.
"whereas the new socialist morality should celebrate violence"
Compare:
threatened and actual use of force by atheism-adherents
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135396265.419462.311690%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
who is a "socialist"?; some atheism-adherents' development and use of
brutal terror tactics
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128703737.434501.234400%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
The reasoning within O'Hair's argument:
Premise 1: if p, then q
Premise 2: not q
Conclusion: therefore not p
The reasoning is faultless. However, premise 1 is incorrect.
Compare:
If the Judeo-Christian God of theism exists, then those traveling to
outer space should be able to see him.
A good number of individuals have traveled to outer space and none
reported seeing God.
Therefore, God doesn't exist.
the panda's "thumb" argument
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0405181220.3a30b3b5%40posting.google.com
theology needed to prove nonexistence of God
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1155134354.145005.322480%40b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Vaguely. If you were given the task of formulating a eugenics
program, what would your program involve?
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your proposed [1935 Snyder]"program of eugenics for your state"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1142030661.505170.64230%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
1966 Hardin: "Eugenics: A Controversial Possibility"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141234208.274511.6020%40t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Ron Baker, Pluralitas!
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1177901807.5...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Here is something from the archives:
"david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:dford3-11241982...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Ron Baker, Pluralitas! wrote:
>> "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
>> news:dford3-11241671...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >A dust jacket blurb by physics Nobel prize winner Eugene P. Wigner:
>>
>> <snip 10 kilos of pseudo references to no discernable point.>
>>
>> Hey Dave! Great to see you back again! [editor's note: that was not
>> sincere]
>> What's your point?
>
> As usual, I have none.
Hmm. Troll?
Martin Phipps
> On Apr 29, 9:14 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 29, 8:07 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > On Apr 29, 4:10 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > <snip>
>
> > > > Why the obsession with Hitler? Is he your hero?
>
> > > Atheism-adherent T.H. Huxley is my hero.
>
> > Good to hear. So I see you are interested in anthropology. Are you
> > aware of the fact that considerable progress has been made in the
> > field since 1864?
>
> Vaguely. If you were given the task of formulating a eugenics
> program, what would your program involve?
You're really out of touch, aren't you? Well, at least you can admit
it.
The thing about "eugenics" is not that it is immoral, but that it just
doesn't work. It is based on the assumption that if people have the
"right" genes then they will be better than those who don't. But the
evidence is anecdotal and can go either way: children with above
average intelligence have been born to parents who have shown average
if not below average intelligence. One cannot discount the effects of
nutrition and environment. If people are smarter today than a hundred
years ago then it could be because they are better educated; if people
are taller today than they were a hundred years ago then it could be
because the foood they eat is more nutricious.
This is not too say that evolution does not take place but that it is
typically a slow process: the only way to speed up evolution is to
kill 99.9% of the human population through some sort of disaster and
then the people who survive would obviously be tougher and fitter than
the ones who died and their genes would get passed on to the next
generation. Obviously we don't want that. (I don't anyway; maybe you
do.) The fact is that by improving education and nutrition we can
"improve the race" here and now and not have to wait for the next
generation to come along.
Martin
*nemo*
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> From his father he had learnt to be a thoroughgoing
> anti-clerical. He proclaimed himself to be an atheist
> and several times tried to shock an audience by
> calling on God to strike him dead.
Perhaps you should consider some more thorough proofs of God's
non-existence. Science has much more resilient material these days in
that arena.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
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Quotemeister since March 2002
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Murray, William J. 1992. _My Life without God_ (Oregon: Harvest
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> In article <1177901807.528939.160...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > From his father he had learnt to
be a thoroughgoing
> > anti-clerical. He proclaimed himself to be an atheist
> > and several times tried to shock an audience by
> > calling on God to strike him dead.
>
> Perhaps you should consider some more thorough proofs of God's
> non-existence.
"Proofs" such as?
> Science has much more resilient material these days in
> that arena.
What are 3 of atheism's better "proofs of God's non-existence"?
> --
> Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
> Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
> BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
> Charter member, SMASH!!http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
> Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
> Quotemeister since March 2002
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From: david ford <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic,talk.atheism
Subject: Evidence of "evolution," sensu Sagan: Where should I go to
see?
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:29:57 +0000 (UTC)
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Where should I go to see evidence of "evolution," where
"evolution" is defined using Sagan's definition:
"Only nine percent of Americans accept the central finding of
modern biology that human beings (and all the other species)
have slowly evolved by natural processes from a succession
of more ancient beings with no divine intervention needed
along the way."
Should I go to a museum? If so, which ones?
Should I go read peer-reviewed/ refereed papers that appear
in the scientific literature? If so, which ones?
Should I go read a book? If so, which ones?
(Before you reply "Darwin's _Origin_," note that _Origin_
closes with the speculation that an intelligence created the
first lifeforms, and further note that if an intelligence(s) created
the first lifeforms in a manner such that those first lifeforms
would develop into all of biology, then that doesn't constitute
"evolution" as Sagan defined it.
And it is "evolution" in the sense of Sagan's definition that I'm
inquiring about.)
The Sagan quote citation is in
Feynman on giving all the information; Dobzhansky, Mayr,
Wilson, Gould, Futuyma, Dawkins, Sagan, Simpson
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.SGI.3.95.970912002214.12893C-100000%40umbc8.umbc.edu
dh
[chop]
Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when they
really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave" and had belt buckles that
said, "Gott mit uns."
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
"adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin":
> <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> [chop]
>
> Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when they
> really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave"
Do you support incinerating the body parts of killed preborn human
life?
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23 October 2006
"British Hospital Under Fire for Burning Aborted Babies in Trash
Furnace"
http://www.lifenews.com/nat2683.html
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Aborted Women Speak Out
Women who've had abortions have stories to tell, and they don't fit
the
politically correct mold.
http://www.boundless.org/2001/regulars/kaufman/a0000567.html
AfterAbortion.org
http://www.afterabortion.org
Operation Outcry
http://www.operationoutcry.org
> and had belt buckles that said, "Gott mit uns."
Meaning of "Gott"?
Hitler and an Ethical Culture i.e. atheist individual on 'God'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
What if anything do you conclude from Nazi "belt buckles that said,
'Gott mit uns.'"?
I maintain that T.H. Huxley was an atheism-adherent.
What if anything do you conclude from this 1860 Huxley?:
"But I can only say with Luther, 'Gott helfe mir, Ich kann nichts
anders.'
I know right well that 99 out of 100 of my fellows would call me
atheist, infidel, and all the other usual hard names."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141353908.308726.161380%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
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Stephen, Leslie. "Pantheism and Agnosticism" in
Darrow, Clarence and Wallace Rice. 1929. _Infidels and Heretics: An
Agnostic's Anthology_ (Boston, MA: The Stratford Company,
Publishers),
293pp., 34. On 34:
We no longer doubt, it is true, whether there be a
God, for our God means all reality.... We keep the
old word [i.e. 'God']; we have altered the whole of its
contents.
Paul Johnson
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&program=CSC%20-%20Views%20and%20News&id=2828
At a revivalist meeting of Darwinians
two or three years ago, I heard
the chairman, the fiction-writer Ian
McEwan, call out, 'Yes, we do
think God is an old man in the sky
with a beard, and his name is
Charles Darwin.
the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143171898.121370.76730%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
become like famous mass-killer atheists, and have others worship you
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1152629227.581932.229990%40s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1942 Nazi atheism-adherent Martin Bormann: "National Socialist and
Christian Concepts are Incompatible"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167155551.253465.117650%4048g2000cwx.googlegroups.com
Ron Baker, Pluralitas!
<dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
news:1177986265.6...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
No. They go so well with some fava beans and a nice chiante.
Martin Phipps
> On Apr 30, 6:03 am, *nemo* <nemo0...@earthlink.dieSPAM.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <1177901807.528939.160...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > From his father he had learnt to
> be a thoroughgoing
> > > anti-clerical. He proclaimed himself to be an atheist
> > > and several times tried to shock an audience by
> > > calling on God to strike him dead.
>
> > Perhaps you should consider some more thorough proofs of God's
> > non-existence.
>
> "Proofs" such as?
The fact is that thousands of years ago the Christian
god was just a god amongst many. (See http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html
or http://www.usfca.edu/westciv/Sumerian.html or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sumerian_gods or
http://www.geocities.com/garyweb65/sumgods.html or
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html#A1.3.1 or
look up the word "Elohim" on google or wikipedia.) Thousands
of years ago, God was known as "An" or the "Sky God" of Sumerian
mythology. We know this because the Bible claims Abraham came from
Ur which was located in Sumer. (See http://www.earthhistory.org.uk/
)
According to http://www.stevesdinner.plus.com/swd17.htm ,
"Orthodox tradition represents Abraham as a member of a Semitic tribe
from Ur. He probably spoke Akkadian, and the Akkadian counterparts of
the Sumerian gods Enki, An, Enlil, Utu, Nanna, and Inanna would have
been known to Abraham as Ea, Anu, Bel, Shamash, Sin, and Ishtar.
Abraham's tribe left Ur and travelled to Harran in southeastern
Turkey."
There's also the similarity between Sumerian mythology and the Bible:
in Sumerian mythology, the first man was named Adapa! In Sumerian
mythology, Enki told Adapa not to eat the food of the gods because
the
gods might poison his food and he would die and he obeyed Enki's
advice
and returned to Earth as a mortal and fathered the human race. Later
the
world was destroyed by An in a great flood from which there was only
one survivor who survived by building a boat that carried him, his
family
and all their animals! Many of these similarities are pointed out on
http://www.historel.net/english/orient/03mesop.htm which is a theist
site that doesn't seem to mind admitting the similarity between the
Bible and other mythology! Yet it still refers to "God" as if he
actually existed!
Besides mentioning that Abraham came from Ur in Sumer, the Bible also
mentions the city of Babylon and the "Tower of Babel" that was
supposedly built there. The Babylonians were hated by the Hebrews
and to this day "to babble" means to speak nonsense. The Garden of
Eden was also located in Sumer according to Genesis 2:10-14:
"And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it
was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is
Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where
there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium
and the onyx stone. And the name of the second river is Gihon: the
same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name
of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the
east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates."
The Euphrates river ran through Sumer, which is now Iraq.
It is worth noting that http://www.earthhistory.org.uk/
is actually a theist site! They refer to Anu as " the one God" but
claim that "Ea" and "Bel" were just other names for the same god.
This contradicts the fact that Anu, Ea and Bel were worshipped
separately in Sumer as three distinct Gods. (Anu was the god of the
sky, Bel was the god of wind and Ea was the god of water. Sumerian
mythology claimed that humans were created by Ea.)
According to http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html
"Enki unraveled the secrets of life and death. His emblem was two
serpents ... entwined on a staff - the basis for the winged caduceus
symbol used by modern Western medicine." As Ea was the god of
knowledge, was the guardian of the "Tree of Life" in Sumerian
mythology and he was symbolized by a snake, it stands to reason that
the snake in the myth of the garden of Eden represented Ea. Bel was
similarly hated by Hebrews: according to the old testament, God told
the Hebrews to kill worshippers of "Baal" if they didn't obey his
first commandment to "not have other gods before Him".
What is interesting is that theists today are willing to accept that
their god was the god An of Sumer but they don't see why this should
be a challenge to faith.
( http://www.christianblog.com/blog/thomas/abram-was-from-sumer-after-all/
) An was the most powerful god in Sumerian mythology and hence it is
understandable that Abraham would choose him as the "one true god"
and dismiss all the others but then the question would be if Anu
(God) exists then what about all the other gods.
So God is just a myth created by man to explain the world around him
and give him comfort. If that's not good enough for you, consider
the fact that God had been used in the past to explain everything
from
storms to floods to earthquakes to volcanic eruptions but that we now
have scientific explanations for all of these calamities and thus
don't need to use any gods (let alone God) to explain them.
The fact is that scientists can perform measurements today that agree
with the predictions of quantum theory to ten digit precision and
accuracy. The so called "God of the gaps" has become so
infinitessimally small that we can feel confident that it doesn't
exist at all.
Martin
fla...@verizon.net
On 30-Apr-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> On Apr 29, 11:13 pm, "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in Re: Nazis
> "adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin":
> > <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > [chop]
> >
> > Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when they
> > really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave"
>
> Do you support incinerating the body parts of killed preborn human
> life?
Continuing lie noted in dodge.
> > and had belt buckles that said, "Gott mit uns."
>
> Meaning of "Gott"?
Truly pathetic.
Susan
Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when they
really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave" and had belt buckles that
said, "Gott mit uns."
Robibnikoff
"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <th...@aint.me> wrote in message
news:4636b6db$0$27101$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>
> <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
> news:1177986265.6...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> No. They go so well with some fava beans and a nice chiante.
Supsupsupsupsupssupsupsupsup!!!!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> On 30-Apr-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 11:13 pm, "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in Re: Nazis
> > "adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin":
> > > <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > [chop]
>
> > > Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when they
> > > really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave"
>
> > Do you support incinerating the body parts of killed preborn human
> > life?
>
> Continuing lie noted in dodge.
Do you think abortion involves:
killing?
death?
> > > and had belt buckles that said, "Gott mit uns."
>
> > Meaning of "Gott"?
>
> Truly pathetic.
What do you think is the meaning of [Hitler]"God" here?:
Hitler. Cited in
Heiden, Konrad. 1944. _Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power_,
translated almost entirely by Ralph Manheim, with Norbert Guterman
translating the last chapter and part of the prior chapter (Boston:
Houghton Mifflin Company), 788pp. Heiden also wrote _A History of
National Socialism_. On 758:
Germany is our God on this earth.
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U.S. Supreme Court
United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965)
380 U.S. 163
United States v. Seeger.
Certiorari to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second
Circuit.
Decided March 8, 1965.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=380&invol=163
Dr. David Saville Muzzey, a leader in the Ethical Culture
Movement, states in his book, _Ethics As a Religion_
(1951), that "[e]verybody except the avowed atheists (and
they are comparatively few) believes in some kind of
God," and that "The proper question to ask, therefore, is
[380 U.S. 163, 183] not the futile one, Do you believe in
God? but rather, What kind of God do you believe in?"
Id., at 86-87. Dr. Muzzey attempts to answer that
question:
"Instead of positing a personal God, whose existence
man can neither prove nor disprove, the ethical concept
is founded on human experience. It is anthropocentric,
not theocentric. Religion, for all the various definitions
that have been given of it, must surely mean the devotion
of man to the highest ideal that he can conceive. And that
ideal is a community of spirits in which the latent moral
potentialities of men shall have been elicited by their
reciprocal endeavors to cultivate the best in their fellow
men. What ultimate reality is we do not know; but we
have the faith that it expresses itself in the human world
as the power which inspires in men moral purpose." At
95.
"Thus the 'God' that we love is not the figure on the great
white throne, but the perfect pattern, envisioned by faith,
of humanity as it should be, purged of the evil elements
which retard its progress toward 'the knowledge, love and
practice of the right.'" At 98.
These are but a few of the views that comprise the broad
spectrum of religious beliefs found among us. But they
demonstrate very clearly the diverse manners in which
beliefs, equally paramount in the lives of their
possessors, may be articulated. They further reveal the
difficulties inherent in placing too narrow a construction
on the provisions of 6 (j) and thereby lend conclusive
support to the construction which we today find that
Congress intended.
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Have you seen the presentation here?:
"This is Abortion" video
http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html
If so, did you see anything therein you think would be tasty to eat?
I recall seeing therein many tiny feet and a rib cage. Legs and
possibly buttocks, too. And a head whose mouth was opened with a
metal object.
Martin Phipps
> On May 1, 2:08 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > On 30-Apr-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > On Apr 29, 11:13 pm, "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in Re: Nazis
> > > "adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin":
> > > > <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > [chop]
>
> > > > Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when they
> > > > really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave"
>
> > > Do you support incinerating the body parts of killed preborn human
> > > life?
>
> > Continuing lie noted in dodge.
>
> Do you think abortion involves:
> killing?
> death?
>
> > > > and had belt buckles that said, "Gott mit uns."
>
> > > Meaning of "Gott"?
>
> > Truly pathetic.
>
> What do you think is the meaning of [Hitler]"God" here?:
If they thought Hitler was God then they were still theists.
What evidence can you cite to show that they thought Hitler (as
opposed to Christ) was God?
Martin
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
On May 1, 3:31 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in messagenews:4636b6db$0$27101$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> > <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
> >news:1177986265.6...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > No. They go so well with some fava beans and a nice chiante.
>
> Supsupsupsupsupssupsupsupsup!!!!
Note: this post is graphic.
Do you think blood from killed preborn human life would be tasty?
Have you seen the presentation here?:
"This is Abortion" video
http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-A-4-video.html
If so, did you see anything therein you think would be tasty to eat?
I recall seeing therein many tiny feet and a rib cage. Legs and
possibly buttocks, too. And a head whose mouth was opened with a
metal object.
> --
> Robyn
> Resident Witchypoo
> BAAWA Knight!
> #1557
Do you think individuals that engaged in homosexual activity with
their victims and killed their victims using teeth did anything
immoral in doing any of that?
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http://www.greencine.com/article?action=view&articleID=55&pageID=90
Weimar Germany had more than what you might
call its fair share of serial killers. .... Georg
Haarmann of Hannover preyed on young men;
between 24 and 26 of them.
Friedrich, Otto. 1972. _Before the Deluge: A Portrait of Berlin in
the 1920s_ (NY: Harper & Row, Publishers), 418pp. On 335:
Of all these mass murders, the case that
reverberated most persistently throughout the
1920's was that of Georg Haarmann.... he was
looking only for boys. ....after taking one of his new
friends home and putting him to bed, he would
sexually attack the youth and finally tear out the
victim's throat with his teeth.
1939 R. T. Smallbones: "The explanation for this outbreak of sadistic
cruelty may be that sexual perversion, and, in particular,
homosexuality, are very prevalent in Germany."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1144986392.404825.109570%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
San Francisco area kidnappings of kids
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1151373968.995017.147420%4075g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
http://www.abidingtruth.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm
At Auschwitz, for example, _Kapo_ Ludwig Tiene
became the most prolific mass murderer of all time
by strangling, crushing and gnawing to death as
many as 100 boys and young men a day while he
raped them (ibid.:143).
There's no need to restrain one's sexual and other impulses.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143038072.680883.42950%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> On Apr 28, 10:27 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > On Apr 26, 9:57 pm, f...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> > > Actually the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism,
>
> > Names of some Nazis that "adopted Lemarkianism"?
>
> Hitler, for one.
What considerations lead you to think that Hitler "adopted
Lemarkianism"?
> > > something that's the
> > > exact opposite of the fact of evolution.
>
> > Did Lamarck accept "the fact of evolution"?
>
> The Nazis, like Lamark, believed that species evolved with a purpose,
> ie that giraffes evolved long necks SO THEY COULD reach tall trees,
Do you think any organisms "evolved" eyes "SO THEY COULD":
see?
see better?
escape predators better?
> unlike natural selection which states that giraffes were able to
> survive BECAUSE THEY COULD reach tall trees as a result of having long
> necks.
That almost sounds like a statement that's true by definition.
How did present-day giraffes obtain their "long necks"?
How did present-day bats obtain their wings?
How did present-day dragonflies obtain their wings?
> Nothing in what Hitler said indicates that he understood, let
> alone followed, Darwin's theory of Natural Selection.
I invite you to respond to what's below.
From: "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,alt.talk.creationism,talk.atheism
Subject: a t.o. heavyweight takes on Hitler
Date: 1 Apr 2006 07:14:05 -0800
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Tracy P. Hamilton wrote in 'Re: Maser: "Darwin, one of Hitler's
'teachers'"':
> david ford wrote:
> > Tracy P. Hamilton wrote:
> > > david ford wrote:
> > > > Tracy P. Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > Robert J. Kolker wrote:
> > > > > > david ford wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maser, Werner. 1973 German, 1974 English. _Hitler's Letters and
> > > > > > > Notes_, translated from the German by Arnold Pomerans (USA: Harper &
> > > > > > > Row, Publishers), 390pp. On 291, there's a full-page drawing of the
> > > > > > > famous photograph of the head of the elderly Darwin looking to the
> > > > > > > left. The picture has this caption:
> > > > > > > Charles Darwin, one of Hitler's 'teachers'. Hitler
> > > > > > > readily adopted his idea of survival of the fittest, but
> > > > > > > insisted that man could not possibly have 'evolved
> > > > > > > from the simian state'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You are a fucking broken record, aren't you? Just because Hitler (and
> > > > > > others) misunderstood, misinterpreted and misused Darwinian thinking,
> > > > > > does not in anyway discredit Darwinian thinking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not only that, but apparently Ford did not notice that this undermines
> > > > > the
> > > > > case for Hitler being a Darwinist, unless the meaning of Darwinist is
> > > > > extended to
> > > > > include people who don't believe in human evolution, contrary
> > > > > to what Darwin wrote a whole book about.
> > > >
> > > > There are numerous similarities between Hitler's _Mein Kampf_ and
> > > > Darwin's _Descent of Man_.
> > >
> > > But not similarity on the actual ancestry of man, about which
> > > Darwin wrote a whole book?
"the actual ancestry of man, about which Darwin wrote a whole book"
1871/4 Darwin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134766736.390460.205460%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
....Haeckel. This last naturalist,
besides his great work, _Generelle Morphologie_ (1866),
has recently (1868, with a second edit. in 1870),
published his _Naturliche Schopfungsgeschichte_, in
which he fully discusses the genealogy of man. If this
work had appeared before my essay had been written, I
should probably never have completed it. Almost all the
conclusions at which I have arrived I find confirmed by
this naturalist, whose knowledge on many points is much
fuller than mine.
1 of 8. What is [TH]"the actual ancestry of man"?
> > 1 of 7. What is "the actual ancestry of man"?
> >
> > 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica
> > http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/GUI_HAN/HAECKEL_ERNST_HEINRICH_1834_.html
> > His [Haeckel's]
>
> Haeckel is not Darwin.
Agreed.
2 of 8. Do you consider Haeckel a [Huxley]"Prophet of Evolution" in
Germany?
T. H. Huxley on May 29, 1865
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/letters/65.html
My dear Darwin-- I meant to have written to you
yesterday to say how glad I shall be to read
whatever you like to send me.
==
I had a letter from one of the ablest of the young
zoologists of Germany, Haeckel, the other day, in
which this passage occurs:--
"The Darwinian Theory, the establishment and
development of which is the object [of] all my
scientific labours, has gained ground immensely in
Germany (where it was at first so misunderstood)
during the last two years, and I entertain no doubt
that it will before long be everywhere victorious."
And he adds that I dealt far too mildly with Kolliker.
T. H. Huxley on December 28, 1874
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/letters/74.html
My dear Haeckel-- This must reach you in time to
wish you and yours a happy New Year in English
fashion. May your shadow never be less, and may
all your enemies, unbelieving dogs who resist the
Prophet of Evolution, be defiled by the sitting of
jackasses upon their grandmothers' graves! an
oriental wish appropriate to an ex-traveller in Egypt.
I have written a notice of the "Anthropogenie" for the
Academy, but I am so busy that I am afraid I should
never have done it-- but for being put into a great
passion-- by an article in the _Quarterly Review_ for
last July, which I read only a few days ago. My
friend Mr.-------, to whom I had to administer a gentle
punishment some time ago, has been at the same
tricks again, but much worse than his former
performance-- you will see that I have dealt with as
you deal with a "Pfaffe" [Parson]. There are "halb-
Pfaffen" as well as "halb-Affen" [half-apes]. So if
what I say about "Anthropogenie" seems very little--
to what I say about the _Quarterly Review_-- do not be
offended. It will all serve the good cause.
==
I think we must have an English translation of the
_Anthropogenie_. There is great interest in these
questions now, and your book is very readable, to
say nothing of its higher qualities.
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Darwin only talks to and through his prophets.
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your freethought/ atheism conversion experience?
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Darwin praise for Haeckel
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1853 Haeckel: "slashed his Jewish face about handsomely"
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Haeckel on antisemitism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132770569.112996.213900%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell's erroneous characterization of Haeckel as a
theist
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Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian a-moral climate
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Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
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> > > [snip remarkably stupid question]
> >
> > 2 of 7. Are you aware of any flaws in these 1928 Hitler remarks?:
>
> Plenty.
3 of 8. Such as?-- what are the biggest flaws you see in these 1928
Hitler remarks?:
Hitler, Adolf. written 1928, later published as _Hitler's Secret
Book_ and as the 2003 _Hitler's Second Book: The Unpublished Sequel to
_Mein Kampf__. Text from
http://www.solargeneral.com/library/hsb/sbchapter9.html
To this lowering, imposed by Nature, of the general
value of our Folk by forced emigration in
consequence of our economic policy, is added birth
control as a second disadvantage. I have already
set forth the consequences of the fight against the
child. They lie in a reduction of the count of
individuals brought to life, so that a further selection
cannot take place. On the contrary, people take
pains that all who are once born are kept alive
under any circumstances. Since, however, ability,
energy, and so on, are not necessarily connected
with the first born, but instead become visible in
each case only in the course of the struggle for
existence, the possibility of a weeding out and a
selection according to such criteria is removed.
Nations become impoverished in talents and
energies. Again, this is especially bad in nations in
which the dissimilarity of basic racial elements
extends even into families. For then, according to
the Mendelian Law Of Division, a separation takes
place in every family which can partly be attributed
to one racial side, partly to the other. If, however,
these racial values vary in their importance for a
Folk, then even the value of the children of one
family already will be dissimilar on racial grounds.
Since the firstborn in no way must grow according
to the racially valuable sides of both parents, it lies
in the interest of a nation that later life at least
search out the more racially valuable from among
the total number of children, through the struggle for
existence, and preserve them for the nation and,
conversely, put the nation in the possession of the
accomplishments of these racially valuable
individuals. But if man himself prevents the
procreation of a greater number of children and
limits himself to the firstborn or at least to the
secondborn, he will nevertheless want to preserve
especially these inferior racial elements of the
nation, even if these do not possess the most
valuable characteristics. Thus he artificially hinders
nature's process of selection, he prevents it, and
thereby helps to impoverish a nation of powerful
personalities. He destroys the peak value of a Folk.
The German Folk which, as such, does not have
that average value, as for example the English, will
be especially dependent on personality values. The
extraordinary extremes that we can observe
everywhere in our Folk are only the after effects of
our disruption, determined by blood, into superior
and inferior racial elements.
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[Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she," in
Darwin in the 6th edition of _Origin_ on [Darwin]"survival of the
fittest" and the [Darwin]"struggle for life"
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an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
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4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
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Kill/ death to [Darwin]"imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of
society"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135791290.639930.285730%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
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Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
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2004 Kater
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Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
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Hitler embraced Darwinian natural selection
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is Darwin, or Hitler, today's most-famous Darwinist?
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Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
July 1947 indictment by Allies of SS Race and Settlement
Office leaders:
Kidnapping the children of foreign nationals in order to
select for Germanization those who were considered of
'racial value.'.... Encouraging and compelling abortions
on Eastern workers.... Preventing marriages and
hampering reproduction of enemy nationals.
Cited in
Black, Edwin. 2003. _War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's
Campaign to Create a Master Race_ (NY: Four Walls Eight Windows),
550pp., 405.
Hitler & Darwin URLs
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> Nothing at all like Darwin's attitude toward those who
> were not as smart or as strong as the others: (Ch 4, Descent of Man)
> "The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly
> an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally
> acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered,
> in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely
> diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of
> hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our
> nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation,
> for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if
> we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could
> only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil."
>
> and nothing about speciation.
[Darwin]"The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless"
Speak for yourself, Darwin.
in defense of 'social Darwinism'
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solution to Social Security funding problem
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Taking a firm, godless stand for death
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in praise of eugenics and terminating defective human life
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[Darwin]"if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it
could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present
evil"
There's no such thing as [Darwin]"evil."
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1916/ 1922 Nordau; infanticide, slavery, and genocide
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Reagan's allegation that there exists
some [Reagan]"natural law," some [Reagan]"higher law of morality."
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Joad, C.E.M. 1943. _God and Evil_ (NY: Harper and Brothers
Publishers), 349pp. On the front cover: "England's great
philosopher,
formerly an agnostic, tells how present world events have brought him
to a new belief in God."
from atheism: C.E.M. Joad, C.S. Lewis, William Murray
to atheism: E.O. Wilson, Michael Shermer, H.G. Wells
http://www.stnews.org/News-2448.htm
from atheism: Alister McGrath
http://www.stnews.org/News-2452.htm
> I delete Hitler's remarks - I think we all know how he felt about
> the weak, and inferior, and by what <snark> scientific criteria
> </snark>
> he came to judge them as such.
Speaking of [Darwin]"the weak and helpless":
Kill/ death to [Darwin]"imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of
society"
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1966 Hardin: "Eugenics: A Controversial Possibility"
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your proposed [1935 Snyder]"program of eugenics for your state"?
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Darwin: "The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an
operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his
patient...."
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in praise of eugenics and terminating defective human life
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Lenny Lapon's "Mass Murderers in White Coats (From Harvard to
Buchenwald: A Chronology of Psychiatry and Eugenics)"
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Darwin on selection of Spartan children
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ethics of concentration camp societies
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> Hitler was all about artifical selection, which has been known and
> practiced for thousands of years.
"Hitler was all about artifical selection"
Indeed.
4 of 8. I can't think of a better way to improve human stock than
artificial selection-- can you?
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Darwin on [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" in connection with the
breeding of humans;
1924/5 Hitler & 1871 Darwin on heterogeneous & homogeneous peoples
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133977762.788382.143030%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's human breeding plan using [1871 Darwin]"careful selection" +
mutations
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124684179.251743.95950%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1124731489.829229.220700%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
> [snip the usual URLs which don't show Hitler argued natural selection
> and speciation,
> which is the natural definition of a Darwinist, since that is Darwin's
> theory]
5 of 8. Do you agree with me that Darwin was a social Darwinist?
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Darwin on the Turks; Huxley; 1938 Shull: "Admixture of white blood
is...related to professional...success of the Negro."
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Hitler & Darwin URLs
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Darwin on selection of Spartan children
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Darwin: "the finest young men are.... exposed to early death during
war.... feebler men... are left at home"
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> [snip irrelevant issue whether Darwin is a "Spencerist"]
>
> > > The key to calling somebody a Darwinist is evolution of species by
> > > natural selection.
> >
> > 4 of 7. Do you consider T.H. Huxley-- who made some bows to
> > saltationist thought-- "a Darwinist"?
>
> Huxley is not Hitler either.
Agreed.
> [snip more inane questions, none of which have to do with whether
> Hitler could be meaningfully called a Darwinist]
6 of 8. Who from the 1800s "could be meaningfully called a
Darwinist"?-- names, please.
(I suspect that your conception of "a Darwinist" is too narrow.)
> > > Do you have the goods, or not?
> > > [snip links]
> > >
> > > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > > Maser, Werner. 1973 German, 1974 English. _Hitler's Letters and
> > > > Notes_, translated from the German by Arnold Pomerans (USA: Harper &
> > > > Row, Publishers), 390pp. On 381:
> > > > Wilhelm Bolsche's _Vom Bazillus zum
> > > > Affenmenschen_ ['From Bacillus to Anthropoid
> > > > Ape'] was published in 1899. Hitler read
> > > > the second (1921) edition. Bolsche conjured up the
> > > > vision of a 'naked struggle for existence of the
> > > > zoological species "man" against "the lowest form of
> > > > life",' and prophesied that 20th-century man would
> > > > be faced with the 'ultimate fight', i.e. the fight
> > > > against the 'Third Reich' of the bacteria.
> > >
> > > Hitler read a book- whoda thunk it?
> >
> > Hitler read _many_ books over many years.
>
> No shit, Sherlock!
>
> [snip]
May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts
+ Kubizek, 130, 133-137, card catalog.
> > > > On 245, 247:
> > > > In _Mein Kampf_, ... Hitler not only borrowed freely
> > > > from Bolsche's _Vom Bazillus zum Affenmenschen_
> > > > ('From Bacillus to Anthropoid Ape', 1921), but also
> > > > developed his own, particularly virulent, brand of
> > > > antisemitism which eventually led him to murder
> > > > millions of Jews with Cyclon B. What was new in
> > > > _Mein Kampf_ were such expressions as 'bacteria',
> > > > 'germ-carriers', 'vampires', 'fission-fungi', .... the Jew
> > > > 'is and remains the typical parasite, a sponger who,
> > > > like a noxious germ, spreads rapidly wherever a
> > > > favourable medium invites him to do so....'
> > >
> > > Hmm, seems to be lacking a natural selection component
> > > to the argument here, or anything about evolution.
> > > Hitler borrowed liberally from many sources, but that does
> > > not make him a Bolscheter, only a bullshitter.
> > >
> > > Hitler was no Darwinist, if that is the best you can do.
> > >
> > > [snip]
>
> Evidently not.
7 of 8. Do you see below any views you consider "Darwinist" views?
8 of 8. What are the biggest flaws you see in these remarks?:
For where it says "space" below, think 'lebensraum'/ living space.
Man tends to increase at a greater rate than his means of obtaining
subsistence/ daily bread. Consequently he is occasionally subjected
to
a severe struggle for existence, and natural selection will bring
about
whatever it can given the variations it has to work with.
Concerning rates of population increase, civilized populations have
been known under favorable conditions, as in the United States, to
double their numbers in 25 years. According to one calculation, this
might occur in about 12 years. At the current rate, the present
population of the U.S. would in about 600 years cover the whole globe
(i.e. cover both Earth's land and water surface area) so thickly, that
four men would have to stand on each square yard of surface!
The primary or fundamental check to the continued increase of man is
the difficulty of gaining subsistence/ food/ bread/ daily bread, and
of
living in comfort. We may infer that this is the case from what we
see, for instance, in the U.S., where subsistence is easy, and there
is
plenty of room/ space/ living space. If such means were suddenly
doubled in the Motherland, our number would be quickly doubled!
The progenitors of man would have tended to increase rapidly, but
checks of some kind, either periodical or constant, must have kept
down
their numbers, even more severely than with existing savages. With
savages the difficulty of obtaining subsistence/ daily bread
occasionally limits their number. Tribes fluctuate in number, and
can't steadily and regularly increase, since there's no artificial
increase in the supply of food. Certain hill-tribes of India have
increased at an extraordinary rate after vaccination was introduced.
This increase would not have been possible had not these rude people
spread into the adjoining districts. Savages, when hard pressed,
encroach on each other's territories, and war is the result.
* We must avoid _at all costs_ a situation where the Motherland can't
support all the infants that are born! *
If the prudent avoid marriage, while the reckless marry, the inferior
members tend to supplant the better members of society. Man, like
every other animal, has advanced to his present high condition through
a struggle for existence consequent on his rapid multiplication. If
man is to advance still higher, it is to be feared that he must remain
subject to a severe struggle. Otherwise he would sink into indolence,
and the more gifted men would not be more successful in the battle of
life than the less gifted. Hence our natural rate of increase, though
leading to many and obvious evils, must not be greatly diminished by
any means. There should be open competition for all men, and the most
able should not be prevented by laws or customs from succeeding best
and rearing the largest number of offspring.
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historical background to rise and fall of the Synthetic Euphoria; 1936
A. Franklin Shull
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Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
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On the Origin of Life
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dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 9:14 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 29, 8:07 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > > On Apr 29, 4:10 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > <snip>
>
> > > > > Why the obsession with Hitler? Is he your hero?
>
> > > > Atheism-adherent T.H. Huxley is my hero.
>
> > > Good to hear. So I see you are interested in anthropology. Are you
> > > aware of the fact that considerable progress has been made in the
> > > field since 1864?
>
> > Vaguely. If you were given the task of formulating a eugenics
> > program, what would your program involve?
>
> You're really out of touch, aren't you? Well, at least you can admit
> it.
in praise of eugenics and terminating defective human life
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> The thing about "eugenics" is not that it is immoral, but that it just
> doesn't work.
Has eugenics ever "work[ed]"?
Darwin on selection of Spartan children
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Could eugenics work?
an exercise: parallels between 1871 Darwin & 1924/5 Hitler?
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4 more Hitler-Darwin parallels
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> It is based on the assumption that if people have the
> "right" genes then they will be better than those who don't. But the
> evidence is anecdotal and can go either way: children with above
> average intelligence have been born to parents who have shown average
> if not below average intelligence.
Darwin: "genius... tends to be inherited... insanity and deteriorated
mental powers... run in families"
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> One cannot discount the effects of
> nutrition and environment. If people are smarter today than a hundred
> years ago then it could be because they are better educated; if people
> are taller today than they were a hundred years ago then it could be
> because the foood they eat is more nutricious.
>
> This is not too say that evolution does not take place but that it is
> typically a slow process: the only way to speed up evolution is to
> kill 99.9% of the human population through some sort of disaster and
> then the people who survive would obviously be tougher and fitter than
> the ones who died and their genes would get passed on to the next
> generation.
Meaning of "fitter"?
Is someone "with above average intelligence":
"fitter" than others?
"tougher" than others?
Killing off which people, exactly, would "speed up evolution"?
"evolution... is typically a slow process: the only way to speed up
evolution is to kill 99.9% of the human population"
As you may know, I have come out in favor of exterminating all
sub-persons.
Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
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in praise of eugenics and terminating defective human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138912784.946032.323570%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Kill/ death to [Darwin]"imbecile, maimed, and other useless members of
society"
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I would like to use German terminology. Is 'unter-personen' German
for
'sub-persons'?
Haldane, J.B.S. 1928. _Possible Worlds and Other Papers_ (NY and
London: Harper and Brothers Publishers), 305pp. On 206, from the
last
paragraph of the essay "Eugenics and Social Reform":
....if you desire to check the increase of any
population or section of a population, either
massacre it or....
.... Civilization stands in real danger from over-
production of 'undermen.'
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Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of
the
native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135178729.788016.144250%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
1940 Haldane on materialism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=s0c890946imhfig6q7uq1cid7hhj68ppbs%404ax.com
Gould, John Maynard Smith, J.B.S. Haldane, and Richard Lewontin were
Marxists; 2004 R.J. Rummel's "The killing machine that is Marxism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-32gfjsF3l6o15U1%40individual.net
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Reagan
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1131387293.922571.147570%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
> Obviously we don't want that. (I don't anyway; maybe you
> do.)
The atheist Hitler wanted to "speed up evolution."
Some atheists living today want to "speed up evolution."
> The fact is that by improving education and nutrition we can
> "improve the race" here and now and not have to wait for the next
> generation to come along.
Do you think that some human races are more advanced than other human
races?
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Darwin to W. Graham
http://pages.britishlibrary.net/charles.darwin/texts/letters/letters1_08.html
Down, July 3rd, 1881.
==
Remember what risk the nations of Europe ran, not
so many centuries ago of being overwhelmed by the
Turks, and how ridiculous such an idea now is! The
more civilised so-called Caucasian races have
beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle for
existence. Looking to the world at no very distant
date, what an endless number of the lower races
will have been eliminated by the higher civilized
races throughout the world. But I will write no more,
and not even mention the many points in your work
which have much interested me. I have indeed
cause to apologise for troubling you with my
impressions, and my sole excuse is the excitement
in my mind which your book has aroused.
I beg leave to remain,
Dear Sir,
Yours faithfully and obliged,
CHARLES DARWIN.
1871 Darwin: [CD]"the civilised races of man"-- e.g. [CD]"the
Caucasian"-- [CD]"will almost certainly exterminate and replace
throughout the world the savage races"-- e.g. [CD]"the negro or
Australian," as in Australian aborigine-- with the end result being
[CD]"man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the
Caucasian"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0407060404.711490be%40posting.google.com
[1871/ 74 Darwin]"Europeans and Hindoos... belong to the same Aryan
stock.... Jews... belong to the Semitic stock"
[1872 Darwin]"Blushing is evident in all the Aryan nations of
Europe.... The
Semitic races blush freely, as might have been expected, from their
general similitude to the Aryans."
[Darwin]"Dr. Saviotti in... 1871... remarks that it more frequently
occurs in prognathous skulls, not of the Aryan race, than in others"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132942108.117285.130610%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Darwin: "the New Zealander... compares his future fate with that of
the
native rat now almost exterminated by the European rat"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135178729.788016.144250%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
fla...@verizon.net
On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> On May 1, 2:08 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> > On 30-Apr-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > On Apr 29, 11:13 pm, "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in Re: Nazis
> > > "adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin":
> > > > <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > > [chop]
> >
> > > > Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when
> > > > they
> > > > really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave"
> >
> > > Do you support incinerating the body parts of killed preborn human
> > > life?
> >
> > Continuing lie noted in dodge.
>
> Do you think abortion involves:
> killing?
> death?
>
As soon as you address the use of Xianity by the Nazis,
you can afford to ask questions on a completely different topic.
> > > > and had belt buckles that said, "Gott mit uns."
> >
> > > Meaning of "Gott"?
> >
> > Truly pathetic.
>
> What do you think is the meaning of [Hitler]"God" here?:
>
As soon as you address the use of Xianity by the Nazis,
we'll discuss your side dodges.
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> Note: this post is graphic.
>
> On May 1, 3:31 pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> > "Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <t...@aint.me> wrote in
> > messagenews:4636b6db$0$27101$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
6 million Jews..
Susan
fla...@verizon.net
On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> Have you seen the presentation here?:
Have you answered any questions put to you that
show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people,
and specifically 6 million Jews?
Susan
Martin Phipps
> On Apr 30, 1:00 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The thing about "eugenics" is not that it is immoral, but that it just
> > doesn't work.
> Could eugenics work?
[...]
> As you may know, I have come out in favor of exterminating all
> sub-persons.
You fit the type of person who would.
Martin
Ron Baker, Pluralitas!
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:p%SZh.23251$Cx1.18494@trnddc01...
That is the mark of a troll.
Martin Phipps
> On Apr 29, 4:08 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 28, 10:27 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > On Apr 26, 9:57 pm, f...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> > > > Actually the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism,
>
> > > Names of some Nazis that "adopted Lemarkianism"?
>
> > Hitler, for one.
>
> What considerations lead you to think that Hitler "adopted
> Lemarkianism"?
He did experiments on people to change eye people's eye colour. He
seemed to think that if you chnaged the characteristics of a person
that these characteristics would be passed on to the next generation.
He did not understand genetics, let alone evolution, so it is a lie to
say he was following Darwin's theories. See
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jan2001/979316388.Sh.r.html
Martin
fla...@verizon.net
And of someone who knows he cannot answer them.
Susan
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
> On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
> show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
> 6 million Jews..
Which "questions," specifically?
The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler were Darwinists, who made use of
Darwinian thinking in their thinking about 'the "Jewish" problem.'
If the Darwinian revolution had not occurred, then the Holocaust would
not have happened.
At one point, the atheist Mussolini banned Christmas.
The ex-Catholic Goebbels gave orders to the media that Christmas be
Jesus-Christ-less.
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Edward Simon, probably originally in his Another Side to the Evolution
Problem, Jewish Press, Jan. 7, 1983, 248,
cited in
http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/number12/Darwinpapers12HTML.htm#N_1_
I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution
brought on the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the
theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to
the moral climate that made a holocaust possible....
the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143171898.121370.76730%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
1942 Nazi atheism-adherent Martin Bormann: "National Socialist and
Christian Concepts are Incompatible"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167155551.253465.117650%4048g2000cwx.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler: "Mendelian Law Of Division"; "artificially hinders nature's
process of selection"
in
a t.o. heavyweight takes on Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143904445.023098.35410%40j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
2004 Kater
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1126795817.956842.104430%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Himmler, a former chicken farmer..., was ruled by very
strong beliefs regarding the application of breeding
theories to humans-- by way of positive selection for the
"Aryans" and negative selection for their natural enemies,
the Slavs, Gypsies, and Jews.
Goebbels diary entry for 13 May 1943
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120450591.444214.186670%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
One might well ask why are there any Jews in the world order?
That would be exactly like asking why are there potato bugs?
Nature is dominated by the law of struggle. There will always
be parasites who will spur this struggle on and intensify the
process of selection between the strong and the weak. The
principle of struggle dominates also in human life. One must
merely know the laws of this struggle to be able to face it. ....
In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life
of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish
peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left
for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew....
....we are forever members of the Aryan race. .... Aboriginal
man, the Fuehrer believes, did not know the lie....
The nations that have been the first to see through the Jew and
have been the first to fight him are going to take his place in the
domination of the world.
21 December 1939 Goebbels and winter solstice
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167154249.759389.139520%40a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com
Coulter takes on Darwinianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1158329398.661032.206750%40i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
> > On May 1, 2:08 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> > > On 30-Apr-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > > On Apr 29, 11:13 pm, "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in Re: Nazis
> > > > "adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin":
> > > > > <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > > [chop]
>
> > > > > Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when
> > > > > they
> > > > > really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave"
>
> > > > Do you support incinerating the body parts of killed preborn human
> > > > life?
>
> > > Continuing lie noted in dodge.
>
> > Do you think abortion involves:
> > killing?
> > death?
Mindreader Mitchell: Hitler was "anti-abortion"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141921380.312364.144060%40i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> As soon as you address the use of Xianity by the Nazis,
> you can afford to ask questions on a completely different topic.
I maintain that the Nazi SS rejected Christianity.
Do you think the Nazi SS rejected Christianity?
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Owings, Alison. 1993. _Frauen: German Women Recall the Third Reich_
(NJ: Rutgers University Press), 494pp. On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Frauen-German-Women-Recall-Third/dp/0813522005
Therein appears a woman's recollection of an encounter with some young
SS people. The SS were headed home to celebrate a non-Christian
Christmas dubbed the "Festival of the Family." The woman recalling
this December 1936 story decided to speak up-- on 59:
I sent a short prayer to heaven and said, 'Well, for
me, Christmas is still always a Christian Christmas.'
'_Well_ now,' they [the young SS people] said, 'you
are so young, and only old women and so on believe in
the Christian religion.' Then they made fun of me.
Thyssen, Fritz. 1941. _I Paid Hitler_ (London: Hodder and
Stoughton,
Ltd.), 319pp. Translated from the original French by Cesar
Saerchinger. On 234:
Practically all the young people forming part of
the SS have abjured Christianity. The same
applies to chiefs of the young Hitlerite
detachments. Many are followers of the new
German paganism and hold rituals in honour of
Wotan, the Sun, or Nature, the mother of all life,
if they do not formally worship Hitler.
the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143171898.121370.76730%40e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com
1942 Nazi atheism-adherent Martin Bormann: "National Socialist and
Christian Concepts are Incompatible"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167155551.253465.117650%4048g2000cwx.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler and an an Ethical Culture i.e. atheist individual on 'God'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Segev, Tom. 1987. _Soldiers of Evil: The Commandants of the Nazi
Concentration Camps_ (NY: Berkley Books), 248pp. On Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Evil-Tom-Segev/dp/0425121712
On 82:
The SS made a great effort to provide its members
with substitutes for the religious customs, holidays,
and rituals the members knew from home.
Heiden, Konrad. 1944. _Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power_,
translated almost entirely by Ralph Manheim, with Norbert Guterman
translating the last chapter and part of the prior chapter (Boston:
Houghton Mifflin Company), 788pp. Heiden also wrote _A History of
National Socialism_. On 751, 752:
At the universities, young S.A. or S.S. men gave so-
called lectures on philosophy (_Weltanschanung_)
which the students were compelled to attend. ....the
youthful teachers.... demanded that the students
memorize bloody gibberish such as the following
verses:....
Sharpen the long knives on the sidewalks, so that
they can cut the clergymen's bodies better.... When
the hour of retribution strikes, we will be ready for
mass murder!
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Hitler greatly admired his fellow atheism-adherent Nietzsche.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167247411.828687.13380%4073g2000cwn.googlegroups.com
Lifton speaking of Himmler, in
ethics of concentration camp societies
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1143041542.477944.172610%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Himmler block quote, in
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Edward Simon, probably originally in his Another Side to the Evolution
Problem, Jewish Press, Jan. 7, 1983, 248,
cited in
http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/number12/Darwinpapers12HTML.htm#N_1_
I don't claim that Darwin and his theory of evolution
brought on the holocaust; but I cannot deny that the
theory of evolution, and the atheism it engendered, led to
the moral climate that made a holocaust possible....
> > > > > and had belt buckles that said, "Gott mit uns."
>
> > > > Meaning of "Gott"?
>
> > > Truly pathetic.
>
> > What do you think is the meaning of [Hitler]"God" here?:
>
> As soon as you address the use of Xianity by the Nazis,
> we'll discuss your side dodges.
1924/5 Hitler: "today these sky-pilots [i.e. members of
the clergy]... force their drivel on the world."
Hitler, Adolf. _Mein Kampf_ at
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html
Only after the enslavement of subjected races did the
same fate strike beasts, and not the other way around, as
some people would like to think. For first the conquered
warrior drew the plow-and only after him the horse. Only
pacifistic fools can regard this as a sign of human
depravity, failing to realize that this development had to
take place in order to reach the point where today these
sky-pilots [i.e. members of the clergy, judging by the
Goebbels diaries' use of the phrase] could force their
drivel on the world.
The progress of humanity is like climbing an endless
ladder....
12 May 1943 Goebbels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
The Fuehrer spoke very derogatorily about the arrogance
of the higher and lower clergy. The insanity of the
Christian doctrine of redemption really doesn't fit at all
into our time. Nevertheless there are learned, educated
men, occupying high positions in public life, who cling to it
with the faith of a child. It is simply incomprehensible
how anybody can consider the Christian doctrine of
redemption as a guide for the difficult life of today. The
Fuehrer cited a number of exceptionally drastic and in
part even grotesque examples. The opinionated "sky pilots"
[clergy members -df] of course know exactly how the world is
constituted. Whereas the most learned and wisest
scientists struggle for a whole lifetime to study but one of
the mysterious laws of nature, a little country priest from
Bavaria is in a position to decide this matter on the basis
of his religious knowledge. One can regard such a
disgusting performance only with disdain. A church that
does not keep step with modern scientific knowledge is
doomed. It may take quite a while, but it is bound finally
to happen. Anybody who is firmly rooted in daily life, and
who can only faintly imagine the mystic secrets of nature,
will naturally be extremely modest about the universe.
The clerics, however, who have not caught a breath of
such modesty, evidence a sovereign opinionated attitude
toward questions of the universe....
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Does the atheist Peter Singer "fit the type of person who would"?
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does atheism-adherent Singer applaud Ukrainian organ harvesting?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1165947754.270509.75250%4080g2000cwy.googlegroups.com
John Baker
Now there ya go, David. You're finally posting on a subject you know
something about. Arrogant drivel is your stock in trade.
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> On May 2, 10:09 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > On Apr 29, 4:08 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 28, 10:27 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > > On Apr 26, 9:57 pm, f...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> > > > > Actually the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism,
>
> > > > Names of some Nazis that "adopted Lemarkianism"?
>
> > > Hitler, for one.
>
> > What considerations lead you to think that Hitler "adopted
> > Lemarkianism"?
>
> He did experiments on people to change eye people's eye colour.
I had not heard that Hitler worked in the science laboratory. Ref for
your allegation that Hitler "did experiments on people to change eye
people's eye colour"?
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
For an account of someone that illegitimately brought her non-secular
religion into the science laboratory, see
Dr. Marie L.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/lifton/LiftonT297.shtml
http://www.holocaust-history.org/lifton/LiftonT298.shtml
For mentions of some individuals that illegitimately brought their
non-secular religious views into German politics, see
theological disputes among German Protestants; Nazi concentration
camps
for Catholics and Protestants
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1129228612.176548.107730%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
resistance to Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1146158953.142022.188680%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
> He seemed to think that if you chnaged the characteristics of a person
> that these characteristics would be passed on to the next generation.
Ref?
If a student becomes well-educated through many years of intense
schooling, will that individual's offspring be highly-intelligent?
> He did not understand genetics, let alone evolution, so it is a lie to
> say he was following Darwin's theories. See
> http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jan2001/979316388.Sh.r.html
"he [Hitler] did not understand... evolution"
Do you "understand... evolution"?
Meaning of "evolution"?
legerdemain in the use of the word 'evolution'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1155797640.745661.216050%40b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
"he [Hitler] did not understand genetics"
What are the biggest flaws you see in these 1928 Hitler remarks?:
Mike Painter
>
> Hitler, Goebbels, and Himmler were Darwinists, who made use of
> Darwinian thinking in their thinking about 'the "Jewish" problem.'
>
> If the Darwinian revolution had not occurred, then the Holocaust would
> not have happened.
Hitler said, among other things,
''I believe today that my conduct
is in accordance with the will of the Almighty
Creator.''pp46
''What we have to fight for...is the
freedom and independence of the fatherland,
so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
the mission assigned to it by the Creator.''pp125
''This human world of ours would
be inconceivable without the practical existence
of a religious belief.''pp152
''And the founder of Christianity made
no secret indeed of his estimation of the
Jewish people. When He found it necessary,
He drove those enemies of the human race
out of the Temple of God.''pp174
and this last mirrors Martin Luther's views.
" Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that
God and all the angels dance when he farts? Alas, it cannot be anything but
the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal,
devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge
myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and
misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and
to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway,
they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie. No, one should
toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants....but then eject them
forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is
so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse,
while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away
with them! Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood,
while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones."
fla...@verizon.net
On 2-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
> incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
> > On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
> > show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
> > 6 million Jews..
>
> Which "questions," specifically?
The ones you snipped.
Check back up the thread.
I'm not about to put myself out for something you insist on ignoring.
Susan
Greywolf
"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:cp3_h.4160$H_....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
And how many 'God believers', could we suppose, used 'God' to torture, steal
from, and murder other 'God believers' -- besides just your everyday
nonbelievers? Two, perhaps three or four? Or are they too many to count?
And what do you suppose is to account for that: 'Religion' or 'Evolution'?
Greywolf
Martin Phipps
> On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
> incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
>
> > On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
> > show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
> > 6 million Jews..
>
> Which "questions," specifically?
>
> The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
That's a lie. Hitler was a Catholic. Why do you continue to lie?
Oh, of course, it's because you are Christian and lying is what
Christians do.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm
Adolf Hitler
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at
last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for
the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand
years,
with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in
the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the
Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated,
but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if
there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly
it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a
duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these
men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then
I
believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity
for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and
exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
[Note, "brood of vipers" appears in Matt. 3:7 & 12:34. John 2:15
depicts Jesus driving out the money changers (adders) from the
temple.
The word "adders" also appears in Psalms 140:3]
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Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against
Christ,
so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into
madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this
people in utter honesty and sincerity.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 1922
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In the Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold
will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene
has
kept its profound validity until the present day.
-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 10 April 1923
[The Bible quote comes Jesus speaking in Revelation 3:16]
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In the life of nations, what in the last resort decides questions is
a
kind of Judgment Court of God.... Always before god and the world the
stronger has the right to carry through what he wills.
-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 13 April 1923
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There are three words which many use without a thought which for us
are no catch-phrases: Love, Faith, and Hope.... We are fanatical in
our love for our people....
We have faith in the rights of our people, the rights which have
existed time out of mind. We protest against the view that every
other
nation should have rights - and we have none. We must learn to make
our own this blind faith in the rights of our people, in the
necessity
of devoting ourselves to the service of these rights; we must make
our
own the faith that gradually victory must be granted us if only we
are
fanatical enough. And from this love and from this faith there
emerges
for us the idea of hope. When others doubt and hesitate for the
future
of Germany - we have no doubts. We have both the hope and the faith
that Germany will and must once more become great and mighty.
We have faith that one day Heaven will bring the Germans back into a
Reich over which there shall be no Soviet star, no Jewish star of
David, but above that Reich there shall be the symbol of German labor
- the Swastika. And that will mean that the first of May has truly
come.
-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 01 May 1923
[Love, Faith, and Hope comes from I Corinthians 13:13 NIV]
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People ask: is there someone fit to be our leader? Our task is not to
search for that person. Either God will give him to us or he will not
come. Our task is to shape the sword that he will need when he comes.
Our task it to provide the leader with a nation which is ready for
him
when he comes! My fellow Germans, awaken! The new day is dawning!
-Adolf Hitler, 04 May 1923
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It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain
us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before
our God.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 01 Aug. 1923
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It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly
awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully
together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the
common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true
Christianity.
-Adolf Hitler, in an article headed "A New Beginning," 26 Feb. 1925
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A few days ago I was in Eisenach and stood on top of the Wartburg,
where a great German once translated the Bible.
-Adolf Hitler, in Schleiz, Thuringia, 18 Jan. 1927
[The great German Hitler speaks about, of course, describes Martin
Luther]
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We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith
conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is
whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our
ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement
is
Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants
to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv
Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
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We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national
government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity
only
to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government
will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of
spirit
and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations
upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity,
as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the
nucleus
of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty
take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our
insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
-Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as
Chancellor for the first time, Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Aug. 1935,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of
that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the
foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in
building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself.
Its
own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has
given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of
our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing
of
the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do,
holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never
hesitate
or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken
upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have
become once more true Germans.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933
[Note, "Except the Lord built the house, they labour in vain" comes
from Psalms 127:1 ]
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The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral
purification of our public life, are creating and securing the
conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious
life.... The National Government regard the two Christian Confessions
as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality.
They
will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal
States. Their rights are not to be infringed.... It will be the
Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and
State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real
national community is just as much in the interest of the German
nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith. The
Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable
foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the
greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are
endeavouring to develop them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933
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The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred
years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for
what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as
pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby
doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and
public functions.
-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's
The
Holy Reich]
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We want honestly to earn the resurrection of our people through our
industry, our perseverance, our will. We ask not of the Almighty
'Lord, make us free'!-- we want to be active, to work, to agree
together as brothers, to strive in rivalry with one another to bring
about the hour when we can come before Him and when we may ask of
Him:
'Lord, Thou seest that we have transformed ourselves, the German
people is not longer the people of dishonour, of shame, of war within
itself, of faintheartedness and little faith: no, Lord, the German
people has become strong again in spirit, strong in will, strong in
endurance, strong to bear all sacrifices.' 'Lord, we will not let
Thee
go: bless now our fight for our freedom; the fight we wage for our
German people and Fatherland.'
-Adolf Hitler, giving prayer in a speech on May Day 1933
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This is for us a ground for satisfaction, since we desire that the
fight in the religious camps should come to an end... all political
action in the parties will be forbidden to priests for all time,
happy
because we know what is wanted by millions who long to see in the
priest only the comforter of their souls and not the representative
of
their political convictions.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to the men of the SA. at Dormund, 9 July
1933 on the day after the signing of the Concordat.
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National Socialism has always affirmed that it is determined to take
the Christian Churches under the protection of the State.... The
decisive factor which can justify the existence alike of Church and
State is the maintenance of men's spiritual and bodily health, for it
that health were destroyed it would mean the end of the State and
also
the end of the Church.... It is my sincere hope that thereby for
Germany, too, through free agreement there has been produced a final
clarification of spheres in the functions of the State and of one
Church.
-Adolf Hitler, on a wireless on 22 July, the evening before the
Evangelical Church Election
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The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany
means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the
Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and
unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is
hostile to religion is a lie.
-Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party (quoted from
John Cornwell's "Hitler's Pope"
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Among the congregations of the Protestant confessions there has
arisen
in the "German Christians' a movement that is filled with the
determination to do justice to the great tasks of the day and has
aimed at a union of the Protestant state churches and confessions. If
this question is not really on the way towards a solution, in the
judgement of history no false or stupid objections will be able to
dispute the fact that this service was rendered by the volkisch
movement at a time when, unfortunately, just as in the Roman Church,
many pastors and superintendents without reason have opposed the
national uprising in the most violent, indeed, often fanatical, way.
-Adolf Hitler, in a radio address on 22 July 1933 to the German
people
after a performance of Wagner's Christian allegory Parsifal in
Bayreuth. [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We
have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement,
and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have
stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as
favoring atheism.]
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I believe that Providence would never have allowed us to see the
victory of the Movement if it had the intention after all to destroy
us at the end.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to old members of the Party at Munich on 8
Nov. 1933
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The German Church and the People are practically the same body.
Therefore there could be no issue between Church and State. The
Church, as such, has nothing to do with political affairs. On the
other hand, the State has nothing to do with the faith or inner
organization of the Church. The election of November 12th would be an
expression of church constituency, but not as a Church.
-Adolf Hitler, answering C. F. Macfarland about Church & State (in
his
book, The New Church and the New Germany)
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While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have not only brought
thousands of priests back into the Church, but to millions of
respectable people we have restored their faith in their religion and
in their priests. The union of the Evangelical Church in a single
Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church,
these are but milestones on the road which leads to the establishment
of a useful relation and a useful co operation between the Reich and
the two Confessions.
-Adolf Hitler, in his New Year Message on 1 Jan. 1934
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Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great
religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian
Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but
strengthened the religious institutions.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1934
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It would have been more to the point, more honest and more Christian,
in past decades not to support those who intentionally destroyed
healthy life than to rebel against those who have no other wish than
to avoid disease. Moreover, a policy of laissez faire in this sphere
is not only cruelty to the individual guiltless victims but also to
the nation as a whole.... If the Churches were to declare themselves
ready to take over the treatment and care of those suffering from
hereditary diseases, we should be quite ready to refrain from
sterilizing them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 30 Jan. 1934
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We have experienced a miracle, something unique, something the like
of
which there has hardly been in the history of the world. God first
allowed our people to be victorious for four and a half years, then
He
abased us, laid upon us a period of shamelessness, but now after a
struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to bring that period
to
a close. It is a miracle which has been wrought upon the German
people.... It shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our people,
that He received it into favour at the moment when it rediscovered
itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must
be our vow so long as we shall live and so long as the Lord gives us
the strength to carry on the fight.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to the "Old Guard" of the Party at Munich
on 19 March, 1934
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The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive
Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the
great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from
interference with their doctrines (Lehren ), and in their duties to
constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State
of
to-day.
-Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them
that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda
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No, it is not we that have deserted Christianity, it is those who
came
before us who deserted Christianity. We have only carried through a
clear division between politics which have to do with terrestrial
things, and religion, which must concern itself with the celestial
sphere. There has been no interference with the doctrine (Lehre ) of
the Confessions or with their religious freedom
(Bekenntnisfreiheit ),
nor will there be any such interference. On the contrary the State
protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion
will not be used as a cover for political ends....
National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-
religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real
Christianity.... For their interests cannot fail to coincide with
ours
alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of
to-day, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic
movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a
consciousness
of a community in our national life... These are not anti-Christian,
these are Christian principles! And I believe that if we should fail
to follow these principles then we should to be able to point to our
successes, for the result of our political battle is surely not
unblest by God.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech at Koblenz, to the Germans of the Saar,
26 Aug. 1934
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So far as the Evangelical Confessions are concerned we are determined
to put an end to existing divisions, which are concerned only with
the
forms of organization, and to create a single Evangelical Church for
the whole Reich....
And we know that were the great German reformer [Martin Luther] with
us to-day he would rejoice to be freed from the necessity of his own
time and, like Ulrich von Hutten, his last prayer would be not for
the
Churches of the separate States: it would be of Germany that he would
think and of the Evangelical Church of Germany.
-Adolf Hitler, in his Proclamation at the Parteitag at Nuremberg on 5
Sept. 1934
[Note, Martin Luther provided Germany with the seeds of violent
antisemitism. Learn about Martin Luther's dirty little book.
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So we have come together on this day to prove symbolically that we
are
more than a collection of individuals striving one against another,
that none of us is too proud, none of us too high, none is too rich,
and none too poor, to stand together before the face of the Lord and
of the world in this indissoluble, sworn community. And this united
nation, we have need of it.
-Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 01 May 1935
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What we are we have become not against, but with, the will of
Providence. And so long as we are true and honourable and of good
courage in fight, so long as we believe in our great work and do not
capitulate, we shall continue to enjoy in the future the blessing of
Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, at Rosenheim in Bavaria, 11 Aug. 1935
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Only so you can appeal to your God and pray Him to support and bless
your courage, your work, your perseverance, your strength, your
resolution, and with all these your claim on life.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Frankfurt on 16 March 1936
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In this world him who does not abandon himself the Almighty will not
desert. Him who helps himself will the Almighty always also help; He
will show him the way by which he can gain his rights, his freedom,
and therefore his future.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Hamburg on 20 March 1936
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Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to
handle this Church.
-Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the
enmity
of the Catholic Church to National Socialism
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I believe in Providence and I believe Providence to be just.
Therefore
I believe that Providence always rewards the strong, the industrious,
and the upright.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech to National Socialist women at the
Nuremberg Parteitag of 1936 [11 Sept. 1936]
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I say that they can be solved; there is no problem that cannot be,
but
faith is necessary. Think of the faith I had to have eighteen years
ago, a single man on a lonely path. Yet I have come to leadership of
the German people....
Life is hard for many, but it is hardest if you are unhappy and have
no faith. Have faith.
Nothing can make me change my own belief.
-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg, 12 Sept. 1936
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This is probably the first time and this is the first country in
which
people are being taught to realize that, of all the tasks which we
have to face, the noblest and most sacred for mankind is that each
racial species must preserve the purity of the blood which God has
given it....
The greatest revolution which National Socialism has brought about is
that it has rent asunder the veil which hid from us the knowledge
that
all human failures and mistakes are due to the conditions of the time
and therefore can be remedied, but that there is one error which
cannot be remedied once men have made it, namely the failure to
recognize the importance of conserving the blood and the race free
from intermixture and thereby the racial aspect and character which
are God's gift and God's handiwork. It is not for men to discuss the
question of why Providence created different races, but rather to
recognize the fact that it punishes those who disregard its work of
creation....
As I look back on the great work that has been done during the past
four years you will understand quite well that my first feeling is
simply one of thankfulness to our Almighty God for having allowed me
to bring this work to success. He has blessed our labors and has
enabled our people to come through all the obstacles which
encompassed
them on their way....
Today I must humbly thank Providence, whose grace has enabled me, who
was once an unknown soldier in the War, to bring to a successful
issue
the struggle for the restoration of our honor and rights as a nation.
-Adolf Hitler, before the Reichstag, 30 Jan. 1937
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So long as they concern themselves with their religious problems the
State does not concern itself with them. But so soon as they attempt
by any means whatsoever-- by letters, Encyclica, or otherwise-- to
arrogate to themselves rights which belong to the State alone we
shall
force them back into their proper spiritual, pastoral activity.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin on the May Day
festival, 1937
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We National Socialists, too, have deep in our hearts our own faith.
We
cannot do otherwise. No man can mould the history of peoples or of
the
world unless he has upon his will and his capacities the blessing of
Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, to Nazi leaders on 2 June 1937, as reported by a
correspondent of the "Daily Telegraph"
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I will never allow anyone to divide this people once more into
religious camps, each fighting the other....
You, my Brown Guard, will regard it as a matter of course that this
German people should go only by the way which Providence ordained for
it when it gave to Germans the common language. So we go forward with
the profoundest faith in God into the future. Would that which we
have
achieved have been possible if Providence had not helped us?
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Regensburg on 6 June 1937
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If we pursue this way, if we are decent, industrious, and honest, if
we so loyally and truly fulfill our duty, then it is my conviction
that in the future as in the past the Lord God will always help us.
In
the long run He never leaves decent folk in the lurch. Often He may
test them, He may send trials upon them, but in the long run He
always
lets His sun shine upon them once more and at the end He gives them
His blessing.
-Adolf Hitler, at the Harvest Thanksgiving Festival on the Buckeburg
held on 3 Oct. 1937
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This Winter Help Work is also in the deepest sense a Christian work.
When I see, as I so often do, poorly clad girls collecting with such
infinite patience in order to care for those who are suffering from
the cold while they themselves are shivering with cold, then I have
the feeling that they are all apostles of a Christianity-- and in
truth of a Christianity which can say with greater right than any
other: This is the Christianity of an honest confession, for behind
it
stand not words but deeds.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking of the Winter Help Campaign on 5 Oct. 1937
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Remain strong in your faith, as you were in former years. In this
faith, in its close-knit unity our people to-day goes straight
forward
on its way and no power on earth will avail to stop it.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Coburg on 15 Oct. 1937
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In this hour I would ask of the Lord God only this: that, as in the
past, so in the years to come He would give His blessing to our work
and our action, to our judgement and our resolution, that He will
safeguard us from all false pride and from all cowardly servility,
that He may grant us to find the straight path which His Providence
has ordained for the German people, and that He may ever give us the
courage to do the right, never to falter, never to yield before any
violence, before any danger.... I am convinced that men who are
created by God should live in accordance with the will of the
Almighty.... If Providence had not guided us I could often never have
found these dizzy paths.... Thus it is that we National Socialists,
too, have in the depths of our hearts our faith. We cannot do
otherwise: no man can fashion world-history or the history of peoples
unless upon his purpose and his powers there rests the blessings of
this Providence.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Wurzburg on 27 June 1937
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National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship;
it
is exclusively a 'volkic' political doctrine based upon racial
principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and
leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship.... We
will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for
exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement.
Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any
case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our
programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception
and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the
central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the
maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed
by
God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a
divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship,
but openly before the face of the Lord.... Our worship is exclusively
the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural,
therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission
before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us
men.
-Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept. 1938.
[Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult
mythology. Here he clearly expresses his stand against cults and
reinforces his Christian views.]
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Thus one of Europe's most serious crises will be ended, and all of
us,
not only in Germany but those far beyond our frontiers, will then in
this year for the first time really rejoice at the Christmas
festival.
It should for us all be a true Festival of Peace....
-Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, 05 Oct. 1938
[This statement disputes some who claim that Hitler outlawed
Christmas.]
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God helps only those who are prepared and determined to help
themselves.
-Adolf Hitler, 06 Nov. 1938, Weimar
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The National Socialist Movement has wrought this miracle. If Almighty
God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument.
-Adolf Hitler, in his proclamation to the German People on 01 Jan.
1939
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We are indeed perhaps better able than other generations to realize
the full meaning of those pious words "What a change by the grace of
God".
Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so
called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is
hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make
before the German people the following solemn declaration:
1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his
religious views (Einstellung), nor will anyone in the future be so
persecuted.... The Churches are the greatest landed proprietors after
the State... Further, the Church in the National Socialist State is
in
many ways favoured in regard to taxation, and for gifts, legacies,
&c., it enjoys immunity from taxation.
It is therefore, to put mildly-- effrontery when especially foreign
politicians make bold to speak of hostility to religion in the Third
Reich.... I would allow myself only one question: what contributions
during the same period have France, England, or the United States
made
through the State from the public funds?
3. The National Socialist State has not closed a church, nor has it
prevented the holding of a religious service, nor has it ever
exercised any influence upon the form of a religious service. It has
not exercised any pressure upon the doctrine nor on the profession of
faith of any of the Confessions. In the National Socialist State
anyone is free to seek his blessedness after his own fashion....
There
are ten thousands and ten thousands of priests of all the Christian
Confessions who perform their ecclesiastical duties just as well as
or
probably better than the political agitators without ever coming into
conflict with the laws of the State.... This State has only once
intervened in the internal regulation of the Churches, that is when I
myself in 1933 endeavoured to unite the weak and divided Protestant
Churches of the different States into one great and powerful
Evangelical Church of the Reich. That attempt failed through the
opposition of the bishops of some States; it was therefore abandoned.
For it is in the last resort not our task to defend or even to
strengthen the Evangelical Church through violence against its own
representatives.... But on one point it is well that there should be
no uncertainty: the German priest as servant of God we shall protect,
the priest as political enemy of the German State we shall destroy.
-Adolf Hitler, a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939
[That last sentence sums up Hitler's stand on the priesthood. Rather
than standing for atheism, as today's Christians would like, Hitler
attacked the priesthood only if they stood in Hitler's political
path.]
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If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the
tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the
hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we
who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the
community of the people of National Socialist Germany has
accomplished
a prodigious work.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the "Old Guard" at Munich on 24 Feb.
1939
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Help yourself, then God will also help you!
The German people was created by Providence, not in order to obey a
law which suits Englishmen or Frenchmen, but to stand up for its
vital
right. That is what we are there for!
-Adolf Hitler, at Wilhemshaven, 01 April 1939
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I can give vent to my inmost feelings only in the form of humble
thanks to Providence which called upon me and vouchsafed it to me,
once an unknown soldier of the Great War, to rise to be the Leader of
my people, so dear to me.
Providence showed me the way to free our people from the depths of
its
misery without bloodshed and to lead it upward once again. Providence
granted that I might fulfill my life's task-to raise my German people
out of the depths of defeat and to liberate it from the bonds of the
most outrageous dictate of all times....
I have regarded myself as called upon by Providence to serve my own
people alone and to deliver them from their frightful misery.
-Adolf Hitler, before the Reichstag, 28 April 1939
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As Fuehrer of the German people and Chancellor of the Reich, I can
thank God at this moment that he has so wonderfully blessed us in our
hard struggle for what is our right, and beg Him that we and all
other
nations may find the right way, so that not only the German people
but
all Europe may once more be granted the blessing of peace.
-Adolf Hitler, before the Reichstag, 06 Oct. 1939
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[I] never lost my belief, in the midst of setbacks which were not
spared me during my period of struggle. Providence has had the last
word and brought me success.
-Adolf Hitler, speech of 23 Nov. 1939
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It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and cross himself
with holy water than for these people to comprehend the ideas which
are accepted facts to us today.
-Adolf Hitler, 10 Dec. 1940, in Berlin
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The conception of the new Movement, whose fundamentals can be
expressed in a single sentence: "The Lord helps those who help
themselves," opposed this. That is not only a very pious phrase, but
a
very just one. For one cannot assume that God exists to help people
who are too cowardly and too lazy to help themselves and think that
God exists only to make up for the weakness of mankind. He does not
exist for that purpose. He has always, at all times, blessed only
those who were prepared to fight their own battles....
Providence has not led us along these amazing paths in vain. On the
day that the party was founded I recalled that our nation once gained
immense victories. Then it became ungrateful, disunited, sinned
against itself. Thereupon it was punished by Providence. We deserved
our defeat. If a nation forgets itself as completely as the German
nation did at that time, if it thinks that it can shake off all honor
and all good faith, Providence can do nothing but teach it a hard and
bitter lesson. But even at that time we were convinced that once our
nation found itself again, once it again became industrious and
honorable, once each individual German stood up for his nation first
and not for himself, once he placed the interests of the community
above his own personal interests, once the whole nation again pursued
a great ideal, once it was prepared to stake everything for this
ideal, the hour would come when the Lord would declare our trials at
an end.
If fate should once more call us to the battlefield, the blessing of
Providence will be with those who have merited it by years of hard
work. When I compare myself and my opponents in other countries in
the
light of history, I do not fear the verdict on our respective
mentalities. Who are these egoists? Each one of them merely defends
the interests of his class. Behind them all stands either the Jew or
their own moneybags. They are all nothing but money-grubbers, living
on the profits of this war. No blessing can come of that. I oppose
these people merely as the 0 champion of my country. I am convinced
that our struggle will in the future be blessed by Providence, as it
has been blessed up to now.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 24 Feb. 1941
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But he who dares to use the word "God" for such devilish activity
blasphemes against Providence and, according to our belief, he cannot
end except in destruction.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking about Jews and international "warmongers," on
04 May 1941, before the Reichstag
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I did not want this struggle. Since January, 1933, when Providence
entrusted me with the leadership of the German Reich, I had an aim
before my eyes which was essentially incorporated in the program of
our National Socialist party. I have never been disloyal to this aim
and have never abandoned my program....
Only when the entire German people become a single community of
sacrifice can we expect and hope that Almighty God will help us. The
Almighty has never helped a lazy man. He does not help the coward. He
does not help a people that cannot help itself.
The principle applies here, help yourselves and Almighty God will not
deny you his assistance.
-Adolf Hitler, in a broadcast from Berlin, 03 Oct.1941
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If the Providence has so willed that the German people cannot be
spared this fight, then I can only be grateful that it entrusted me
with the leadership in this historic struggle which, for the next 500
or 1,000 years, will be described as decisive, not only for the
history of Germany, but for the whole of Europe and indeed the whole
world. The German people and their soldiers are working and fighting
today, not only for the present, but for the coming, nay the most
distant, generations. A historical revision on a unique scale has
been
imposed on us by the Creator....
The next incursion against this homestead of European culture was
carried out from the distant East. A terrible stream of barbarous,
uncultured hordes sallied forth from the interior of Asia deep into
the hearts of the European Continent, burning, looting, murdering-a
true scourge of the Lord....
>From the time when the Movement I consisted of seven men, until we
took over power in January 1933, the path was so miraculous that only
Providence itself with its blessing could have made this possible....
Our enemies must not deceive themselves-in the 2,000 years of German
history known to us, our people have never been more united than
today. The Lord of the Universe has treated us so well in the past
years that we bow in gratitude to a providence which has allowed us
to
be members of such a great nation. We thank Him that we also can be
entered with honor into the ever-lasting book of German history!
-Adolf Hitler, on 11 Dec.1941 before the Reichstag
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My fame, if Providence preserves my life, will consist in ... works
of
peace, which I still intend to create. But I think that if Providence
has already disposed that I can do what must be done according to the
inscrutable will of the Providence, then I can at least just ask
Providence to entrust to me the burden of this war, to load it on me.
I will beat it! I will shrink from no responsibility; in every hour
which ... I will take this burden upon me. I will bear every
responsibility, just as I have always borne them."....
Thus the home-front need not be warned, and the prayer of this priest
of the devil, the wish that Europe may be punished with Bolshevism,
will not be fulfilled, but rather that the prayer may be fulfilled:
"Lord God, give us the strength that we may retain our liberty for
our
children and our children's children, not only for ourselves but also
for the other peoples of Europe, for this is a war which we all wage,
this time, not for our German people alone, it is a war for all of
Europe and with it, in the long run, for all of mankind."
-Adolf Hitler, 30 Jan. 1942, in Berlin (note the prayer at the end of
the speech.)
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May therefore God give us the strength to continue to do our duty and
with this prayer we bow in homage before our dead heroes, before
those
whom they have left behind in bereavement, and before all the other
victims of this war.
-Adolf Hitler, in prayer at the end of a radio address on 15 March
1942.
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I, for my part, acknowledge another precept which says that man must
deal the final blow to those whose downfall is destined by God.
-Adolf Hitler, in an address to the Reichstag, 06 April 1942
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In my eyes, the year 1942 already has behind it the most fateful
trial
of our people. That was the winter of '41 to '42. I may be permitted
to say that in that winter the German people, and in particular its
Wehrmacht, were weighed in the balance by Providence. Nothing worse
can or will happen. That we conquered that winter, that "General
Winter," that at last the German fronts stood, and that this spring,
that is, early this summer, we were able to proceed again, that, I
believe, is the proof that Providence was content with the German
people....
You do not realize what is hidden beneath these words in the way of
human heroism, and also of human pain, and suffering, and we may say,
often anxiety too, naturally, deathly anxiety on the part of all
those
who, especially for the first time, are placed before the trial of
God
in this highest court.
-Adolf Hitler, 30 Sept. 1942, in Berlin
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And today I stand by this same view. Fate, or Providence, will give
the victory to those who most deserve it....
And when now, after 10 years, I again survey this period, I can say
that upon no people has Providence ever bestowed more successes than
upon us. The miracles we have achieved in the last three years in the
face of a whole world of enemies are unique in history, especially
the
crises we very naturally often had in these years.
-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 08 Nov. 1942
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The bomb which was planted by Colonel von Stauffenberg exploded two
meters to my right. It seriously injured a number of my colleagues
who
are very dear to me; one has died. I myself am completely unhurt
apart
from a few minor skin abrasions, bruises and burns. I interpret this
as confirmation that Providence wishes me to continue my life's
mission as I have in the past.
Few people can begin to imagine the fate which would have overtaken
Germany had the assassination attempt succeeded. I myself thank
Providence and my Creator not for preserving me - my life consists
only of worry and work for my People - I thank him only for allowing
me to continue to bear this burden of worry, and to carry on my work
to the best of my ability.
Once again I take this opportunity, my old comrades in arms, to greet
you, joyful that I have once again been spared a fate which, while it
held no terror for me personally, would have had terrible
consequences
for the German People. I interpret this as a sign from Providence
that
I must continue my work, and therefore I shall continue it.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking about the attempt to kill him, in a radio
broadcast on 20 July 1944
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God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we
are defending His work....
Only He can relieve me of this duty Who called me to it. It was in
the
hand of Providence to snuff me out by the bomb that exploded only one
and a half meters from me on July 20, and thus to terminate my life's
work. That the Almighty protected me on that day I consider a renewed
affirmation of the task entrusted to me....
Therefore, it is all the more necessary on this twelfth anniversary
of
the rise to power to strengthen the heart more than ever before and
to
steel ourselves in the holy determination to wield the sword, no-
matter where and under what circumstances, until final victory crowns
our efforts....
In the years to come I shall continue on this road, uncompromisingly
safeguarding my people's interests, oblivious to all misery and
danger, and filled with the holy conviction that God the Almighty
will
not abandon him who, during all his life, had no desire but to save
his people from a fate it had never deserved, neither by virtue of
its
number nor by way of its importance....
In vowing ourselves to one another, we are entitled to stand before
the Almighty and ask Him for His grace and His blessing. No people
can
do more than that everybody who can fight, fights, and that everybody
who can work, works, and that they all sacrifice in common, filled
with but one thought: to safeguard freedom and national honor and
thus
the future of life.
-Adolf Hitler, in a radio address, 30 Jan. 1945
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Providence shows no mercy to weak nations, but recognizes the right
of
existence-only of sound and strong nations....
This Jewish bolshevist annihilation of nations and its western
European and American procurers can be met only in one way: by using
every ounce of strength with the extreme fanaticism and stubborn
steadfastness that merciful God gives to men in hard times for the
defense of their own lives....
We have suffered so much that it only steels us to fanatical resolve
to hate Our enemies a thousand times more and to regard them for what
they are destroyers of an eternal culture and annihilators of
humanity. Out of this bate a holy will is born to oppose these
destroyers of our existence with all the strength that God has given
us and to crush them in the end. During its 2,000-year history our
people has survived so many terrible times that we have no doubt that
we will also master our present plight.
-Adolf Hitler, in a recorded radio address, 24 Feb. 1945
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SOURCES:
Baynes, Norman H. Ed. "The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-
August
1939," Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942
Cornwell, John, "Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII,"
Viking, 1999
Steigmann-Gall, Richard "The Holy Reich: Nazi conception of
Christianity, 1919-1945," Cambridge University Press, 2003
Online:
Adolf Hitler Speeches from www.adolfhitler.ws/
Helmut Bruckner
Bruckner served as the Gauletier of Silesia. According to Richard
Steigmann-Gall's research, "Bruckner sent Gregor Strasser an internal
"Special Circular" he had issued to his Gau [region] officials on the
party's official church-political stance. Its contents became common
knowledge once a copy came into the hands of the Kirchenrat and the
papers Tagliche Rundschau and Christliche Welt. As a confidential
document, however, it provides a glimpse into the Nazi's feelings
about the institution of the Protestant Church" [Steigmann-Gall]:We
struggle for a union of the small Protestant state churches into a
strong Protestant Reich Church.... We are acting not as a party, but
as Protestant Christians who only follow a call to faith from God,
which we here in our Volk movement. As true members of our church we
have a legitimate claim to have appropriate consideration given to
the
greatness and inner strength of National Socialism in church life and
the church administration.
-Helmut Brucker, "Richtlinien fur Kirchenfragen," Bundesarchiv
Berlin-
Zehlendorf (10 Nov. 1932: Breslau), [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Walter Buch
Buch served as Head of the Nazi Party court and Martin Bormann's
father-in-law. Otto Wagener, Hitler's confidant in the Kampfzeit,
named Buch as one of the only three men who "were prepared and in a
position to tell Hitler their own views when they contradicted his."
According to Richard Steigmann's research, Buch, a Lutheran, held his
faith in high esteem and "maintained he was guided in his social
thought by Martin Luther."
When Point 24 of our program says the party stands for a positive
Christianity, here above all is the cornerstone of our thinking.
Christ preached struggle as did no other. His life was struggle for
his beliefs, for which he went to his death. From everyone he
demanded
a decision between yes and no.
-Walter Buch "Geist und Kampf" (speech): Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf (probably given between 1930 and 1932), [cited from
Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Public need before private greed.... So important and meaningful is
this phrase that Jesus Christ placed it in the center of his
religious
teaching. However, since Christ was not a politician, since his Reich
was not of this world, he put the calling into other words. He
taught:
love your neighbors as yourself! National Socialism is therefore
nothing new, nothing that a person after much consideration would not
come upon as the solution to the economic plight of the Germans.
-Walter Buch Der Aufmasch, Blatter der deutschen Jugend 2 (January
1931), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Note, Point 24 refers to a section of the NSDAP party platform (the
Nazi Constitution, so to speak) where it proclaims "positive
Christianity" as one of its tenants.
Never more than in the last ten years has the truth behind Luther's
words been more evident: "The family is the source of everyone's
blessings and misforture."
-Walter Buch In a speech from 1932, [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
The idea of eternal life, of which the Jew knows nothing, is just as
characteristic of our Germanic forefathers as it was of Christ.
-Walter Buch Der Aufmarsch, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The
Holy Reich]
When Luther turned his attention to the Jews, after he completed his
translation of the Bible, he left behind "on the Jews and their Lies"
for posterity.
-Walter Buch [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Many people confess their amazement that Hitler preaches ideas which
they have always held.... From the Middle Ages we can look to the
same
example in Martin Luther. What stirred in the soul and spirit of the
German people of that time, finally found expression in his person,
in
his words and deeds.
-Walter Buch "Geist und Kampf" (speech), Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Luther's eloquent words,"the intellect is the Devil's whore," confirm
my belief that the human spirit of the greatest magnitude is too
small
to alter the laws of life. And the highest law of life is
struggle....
Nothing comes from "yes, but [Zwar-Aber].
-Walter Buch written to a friend in 1929, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Rudolf Buttmann
An early member of the Nazi Party, Buttmann became a cacus leader of
the Nazi Party in the Bavarian Landtag (whose other members included
Schemm and Streicher), and later head of the Cultural Division of the
Reich Interior Ministry. [Steigmann-Gall]
One has opportunity enough to see how our party governs in Thuringia,
where party members Dr. Frick has reintroduced Christian morning
prayer in school.... Not through us is religion in danger, but rather
through the conditions we know of in Russia, and which they now boast
of in Berlin. First we shall sweep clean the recesses of filth of the
city - the cinemas and theaters - with an iron broom.
-Rudolf Buttmann,Volkischer Beobachter, 13 Dec. 1930, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Our worldview is not directed against Cathoicism or Protestantism,
not
against Christianity, but rather based on Christianity and against
cultural bolshevism, against the false liberalism of the
Enlightenment, and against materialism.
-Rudolf Buttmann,Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Jan. 1931, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Dietrich Eckart
Eckart served as one of the early key members of the National-
Socialist German Workers Party and an early friend of Hitler. He also
invented the term "Drittes Reich" ("Third Reich"). Eckart also coined
the phrase, "Jewish materialist spirit within us and without us,"
used
in Point 24 of the Nazi Party platform, an expression that implied a
religious element in the Nazi typology. Hitler felt so indebted to
Eckart he ended Mein Kampf with a tribute to him.
Christ stands never otherwise than erect, never otherwise than
upright... eyes flashing in the midst of the creeping Jewish
rabble...
and the words fall like lashes of the whip: 'Your father is the
devil' (John 8:44)
-Dietrich Eckart Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin: Zweigesprache
zwischen Adolf Hitler und mir (Munich, 1924) [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
This war was a religious war, finally one sees that clearly. A war
between light and darkness, truth and falsehood, Christ and
Antichrist.
-Dietrich Eckart Auf gut deutsch (1919) [cited from Richard
Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
Wonders never cease; from the deluge is born a new world, while the
Pharisees whine about their miserable pennies! The Liberation of
humanity from the curse of gold stands before us! But for that our
colllapse, but for that our Golhotha!
-Dietrich Eckart Auf gut deutsch (1919) [cited from Richard
Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
[The] Jewish conception of God is of no interest to us Germans! We
seek God nowhere but in ourselves. For us the soul is divine, of
which
the Jew, on the other hand, knows nothing. The Kingdom of Heaven is
within you (Luke 17:21), thus God also, who belongs to the Kingdom of
Heaven. We feel our soul is immortal, eternal from the beginning, and
therefore we refuse to be told that we are created from nothingness.
-Dietrich Eckart Auf gut deutsch (1919) [cited from Richard
Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
The New Testament broke away from the Old /as you once released
yourself from the world/ And as you are freed from your past
delustions/ so did Jesus Christ reject his Jewishness.
-Dietrich Eckart Quoted in Rosenberg, Eckart [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Hans Frank
Frank acted as lawyer and senior official for the Nazi party and
legal
advisor for Hitler. He also served a tenure as Governor-General of
occupied Poland for which he was convicted during the Nuremberg
trials
for his role in perpetrating the Jewish holocaust and found guilty of
complicity in the murder of millions of Poles and Polish Jews. A
former Protestant (his father was a Protestant and his mother a
Catholic), he converted to Roman Catholicism after his arrest where
he
felt relieved at the prospect of atoning for his evil deeds. [The
belief that one can be saved for any atrocious act demonstrates the
moral flaw of Christian doctrine.]
Hitler is lonely, So is God. Hitler is like God.
-Reichminister Hans Frank (FL Schuman, "Hitler and the Nazi
Dictatorship," London 1936
We are under the great obligation of recognizing as a holy work of
our
Volk's spirit the laws signed by Adolf Hitler's name. Hitler has
received his authority from God. Therefore he is champion, sent by
God, of German Right in the world.
-Hans Frank, Frankfurt-am-Main, 30 October 1935 (Aurel Kolnai, The
War
Against the West)
I am thankful for the kind treatment during my captivity and I ask
God
to accept me with mercy.
-Hans Frank, in his last statement before execution (Hans Frank from
Wikipedia online encyclopedia)
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Wilhelm Frick
Frick served as the NSDAP caucus leader in the Reichstag and one of
only three Nazis in the original Hitler Cabinet. He was responsible
for drafting many of the laws that set up the Nazi regime. Hitler
appointed him as Reich Interior Minister, making him the most
important "state Nazi" immediately after the Seizure of Power
(Machtergreifung). Frick, a member of the Protestant Church, had
jurisdiction over the affairs of the Protestant Church until the
creation of the Reich Church Ministry in 1935. [Steigmann-Gall]
The party stands for positive Christianity. The National Socialist
state is absolutely ready to work with the Christian churches, but
the
solidarity of the churches to the Volk must be a matter of course;
that means that the churches must feel bound to the Volk and may
never
come into opposition to the National Socialist leadership of the
state.
-Wilhelm Frick, Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, 2 June 1935, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Joseph Goebbels
Goebbles served as Hitler's Propaganda Minister
(Propagandaministerium). The pious Catholic parents of Joseph
Goebbels
raised him and his two brothers in that faith. He spoke of Hitler as
"either Christ or St. John." "Hitler, I love you!" he wrote in his
diary.I converse with Christ. I believed I had overcome him, but I
have only overcome his idoltrous priests and false servants. Christ
is
harsh and relentless.
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
I take the Bible, and all evening long I read the simplest and
greatest sermon that has ever been given to mankind: The Sermon on
the
Mount! 'Blessed are they who suffer persecution for the sake of
justice, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven'!
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Christ is the genius of love, as such the most diametrical opposite
of
Judaism, which is the incarnation of hate. The Jew is a non-race
among
the races of the earth.... Christ is the first great enemy of the
Jews.... that is why Judaism had to get rid of him. For he was
shaking
the very foundations of its future international power. The Jew is
the
lie personified. When he crucified Christ, he crucified everlasting
truth for the first time in history.
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
The idea of sacrifice first gained visible shape in Christ. Sacrifice
is intrinsic to socialism.... The Jew, however, does not understand
this at all. His socialism consists of sacrificing others for
himself.
This is what Marxism is like in practice.... The struggle we are now
waging today until victory or the bitter end, is in its deepest
sense,
a struggle between Christ and Marx. Christ: the principle of love.
Marx: the principle of hate.
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Christ cannot have been a Jew. I do not need to prove this with
science or scholarship. It is so!
-Joseph Goebbels, Michael: Ein deutsches Schicksl in Tagebuchblattern
(Munich, 1929), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
A Jew is for me an object of disgust. I feel like vomiting when I see
one. Christ could not possibly have been a Jew. It is not necessary
to
prove that scientifically-- it is a fact.
-Joseph Goebbels, in his attempt to win the eternal gratitude of
Hitler, (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
When today a clique accuses us of having anti-Christian opinions, I
believe that the first Christian, Christ himself, would discover more
of his teaching in our actions than in this theological hair-
splitting.
-Joseph Goebbels, Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin, 2 March
1934:
Hamburg, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
When we call for the unification of the Protestant Church, we do so
because we do not see how, in a time when the whole Reich is unifying
itself, twenty-eight Landeskirchen can persist.... In the
interpretation of the Gospel one may hold the command of God higher
than human commands. In the interpretation of political realities, we
consider ourselves to be God's instrument.
-Joseph Goebbels, Hannover Kurier, 29 March 1935, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
A verbal confession cannot suffice; we require an active confession.
Christianity to us is no empty form, but rather a continual action.
-Joseph Goebbels, in a speech from 1935, Volkischer Beobachter, 5
Aug.
1935, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We have a feeling that Germany has been transformed into a great
house
of God, including all classes, professions and creeds, where the
Führer as our mediator stood before the throne of the Almighty.
-Joseph Goebbels, in a broadcast, 19 April 1936
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Hermann Göring
An early member of the Nazi party and one of its principle leaders,
Goring founded the Gestapo and served as the Reichsluftfahrtminister
of the Luftwaffe.
We have told the churches that we stand for positive Christianity.
Through the zeal of our faith, the strength of our faith, we have
once
again shown what faith means, we have once again taken the Volk,
which
believed in nothing, back to faith.
-Hermann Göring in a 1935 speech, Positives Christentum, 3 Nov. 1935,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
In the same speech, Göring attacked paganists:
Naturally there are always people at work who represent a type of
provocateur, who have come to us because they imagine National
Socialism to be something other than it is, who have all kinds of
fantastic and confused plans, who misunderstand National Socialist
racial thought and overstate their declaration to blood and soil
[Blut
und Boden], and who in their romantic dreams are surrounded by Wotan
and Thor and the like. Such exaggerations can harm our movement,
since
they make the movement look ridiculous, and ridiculousness
[Lacherlichkeit] is always something most harmful. When I hear that a
"Germanic wedding' is to be celebrated, I have to ask: my God, what
do
you understand to be a Germanic wedding? What do you understand to be
National Socialism?
-Hermann Göring in a 1935 speech, Positives Christentum, 3 Nov. 1935,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
That same year, Göring married his second wife, Emmy, in a Lutheran
service officiated by Reich Bishop Müller with Hitler as "Best Man."
Later, he would also give his daughter Edda a Lutheran baptism.
[Steigmann-Gall] To see a photo of the wedding, click here.
God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and
unshakeable faith, that he [Hitler] was sent to us by God to save
Germany.
-Hermann Göring (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's
Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
How shall I give expression, O my Führer, to what is in our hearts?
How shall I find words to express your deeds? Has there ever been a
mortal as beloved as you, my Führer? Was there ever belief as strong
as the belief in your mission. You were sent us by God for Germany!
-Hermann Göring (Reden und Aufsatze, Munich, 1938)
Although he himself [Hitler] was a Catholic, he wished the Protestant
Church to have a stronger position in Germany, since Germany was two-
thirds Protestant.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
The Führer wanted to achieve the unification of the Protestant
Evangelical Churches by appointing a Reich Bishop, so that there
would
be a high Protestant church dignitary as well as a high Catholic
church dignitary.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
With the Catholic Church the Führer ordered a concordat to be
concluded by Herr Von Papen. Shortly before that agreement was
concluded by Herr Von Papen I visited the Pope myself. I had numerous
connections with the higher Catholic clergy because of my Catholic
mother, and thus-- I am myself a Protestant-- I had a view of both
camps.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
I myself am not what you might call a churchgoer, but I have gone now
and then, and have always considered I belonged to the Church and
have
always had those functions over which the Church presides-- marriage,
christening, burial, et cetera-- carried out in my house by the
Church.
-Hermann Göring (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol.9)
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Rudolf Hess
Hess edited Hitler's book Mein Kampf and served as Hitler's deputy.
He
emerged as a prominent figure in Nazi Germany. You take an oath to a
man whom you know follows the laws of providence, which he obeys
independently of the influence of earthly powers, who leads the
German
people rightly, and who will guide Germany's fate. Through your oath
you bind yourselves to a man who--that is our faith--was sent to us
by
higher powers. Do not seek Adolf Hitler with your mind. You will find
him through he strength of your hearts!
-Rudolf Hess, in his speech, "The Oath to Adolf Hitler," 1934
We believe that the Führer is fulfilling a divine mission to German
destiny! This belief is beyond challenge.
-Rudolf Hess, speech, 20 June 1934 (Reden, Munich. 1938, p. 25)
With all our powers we will endeavour to be worthy of the Führer
thou,
O Lord, has sent us!
-Rudolf Hess, address to political leaders, Munich , 21 April 1938
(Rolf Tell, Sound and Führer)
No matter what human beings do I shall some day stand before the
judgement seat of the Eternal. I shall answer to Him, and I know he
will judge me innocent.
-Rudolf Hess, in a statement to the Nuremberg Tribunal, (Hitler's
Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen,"
Berkley Books, 1990)
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Hans Hinkel
Hinkel gained influential positions in Goebbels' Reich Chamber of
Culture (Reichskulturkammer) and Propaganda Ministry, where he became
head of both the Jewish section and the film department. [Richard
Steigmann-Gall]
Through his acts and his spiritual attitude he began the fight which
we still wage today; with Luther the revolution of German blood and
feeling against alien elements of the Volk was begun.
-Hans Hinkel, [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
To continue and complete his Protestantism, nationalism must make the
picture of Luther, of a German fighter, live as an example above the
barriers of confession for all German blood comrades.
-Hans Hinkel, Der Tag, 17 Feb. 1933, [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Heinrich Himmler
One of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany, Himmler served as the
commander of the German Schutzstaffel (SS) and controlled the
Gestapo.
He grew up as a devout Catholic and attended mass regularly.
Eventually he moved away from Catholicism toward Aryan occultist
beliefs, but he, nevertheless, never lost his belief in God and he
thought of Jesus as an Aryan. I swear before God this holy oath, that
I shall give absolute confidence to the Fuehrer of the German Reich
and people.
-Heinrich Himmler, reminding his hearers about the oath taken by all
SS men as well as by the military forces (Hitler's Elite, Shocking
Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books,
1990)
In ideological training I forbid every attack against Christ as a
person, since such attacks or insults that Christ was a Jew are
unworthy of us and certainly untrue historically.
-Heinrich Himmler, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, 28 June 1937:
Berlin, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
You Einsatztruppen (task forces) are called upon to fulfill a
repulsive duty. But you are soldiers who have to carry out every
order
unconditionally. You have a responsibility before God and Hitler for
everything that is happening. I myself hate this bloody business and
I
have been moved to the depths of my soul. But I am obeying the
highest
law by doing my duty. Man must defend himself against bedbugs and
rats-- against vermin.
-Heinrich Himmler, in a speech to the SS guards, (Hitler's Elite,
Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley
Books, 1990)
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Rudolf Hoess
Hoess served as a senior Nazi official, member of the SS and Waffen-
SS
(with the rank of SS-Obersturmbannführer) and commandant of the
Auschwitz concentration camp where he held responsibility for the
murder of hundreds of thousands of people.
In his Nuremberg cell, Rudolf Hoess told psychologist G.M. Gilbert
how
he got brought up in a rigorous Catholic tradition:My father was
really a bigot. He was very strict and fanatical. I learned that my
father took a religious oath at the time of the birth of my younger
sister, dedicating me to God and the priesthood, and after that
leading a Joseph married life [celibacy]. He directed my entire
youthful education toward the goal of making me a priest. I had to
pray and go to church endlessly, do penance over the slightest
misdeed-- praying as punishment for any little unkindness to my
sister, or something like that.
-Rudolf Hoess (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
When asked if his father ever beat him, Hoess replied that he was
only
punished by prayer:The thing that made me so stubborn and probably
made me later on cut off from people was his way of making me feel
that I had wronged him personally, and that, since I was spiritually
a
minor, he was responsible to God for my sins.
-Rudolf Hoess (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
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Joachim Hossenfelder
Hossenfelder, a student of theology after WWI became a Protestant
country pastor in Sillies. In 1929 he joined the Nazi Party, and in
1933 became the head of the German Christian Movement in Berlin which
attempted to combine Christianity and Nazism to reflect Hitler's view
of "Positive Christianity." Hossenfelder liked to call the movement,
"The Storm Troops of Jesus Christ."
To become warriors for God and fatherland was the task the war had
set
for us.
-Joachim Hossenfelder (facinghistorycampus.org)
God had brought [the German] Volk into being and he had done so
through Hitler, Volk was race and God wants race.
-Joachim Hossenfelder (facinghistorycampus.org)
Christian faith is a heroic, manly thing. God speaks in blood and
Volk
a more powerful language than He does in the idea of humanity.
-Joachim Hossenfelder (Protestant Churches)
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Hanns Kerrl
Born into a Protestant family in Fallersleben, Kerrl joined the NSDAP
in 1923. He served as Prussian Justice Minister and later, Reich
Church Minister. He also established a central "Reich Church
Committee." [Steigmann-Gall] Kerrl tried to mediate between the
divisions amongst the churches and stressed the religious aspect of
the Nazi "positive" Christianity ideology.
The Führer wants to protect positive Christianity; this must be
maintained. It is necessary, therefore, to seize upon the power of
the
Christian confessions which affirm the state and National Socialism,
and to maintain church life.
-Hanns Kerrl, Dokumente zur Kirchenpolitik, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Kerrl strongly opposed Alfred Rosenberg's paganist and anticlerical
attempts. At the end of 1939, Rosenberg sought to elevate his
position
from a purely party office to a more imposing state office so that he
could have more control over religious issues. [Steigmann-Gall] In a
meeting in 1940 to resolve the issue of Rosenberg's appointment,
Kerrl
noted that:
The Third Reich needs Christianity and the churches because it has
nothing to replace the Christian religion and Christian morality....
His appointment will result in marked unrest among the Volk, which is
precisely what we must avoid during the war under all circumstances.
Many Nazis opposed Rosenberg's post, including Hitler. In fact Hitler
cited Kerrl's argument as the most compelling for canceling
Rosenberg's new post. [Steigmann-Gall]
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Erich Koch
Koch served as Gauleiter of East Prussia and later Reich Commissioner
for Ukraine. He also functioned as President of the East Prussian
Protestant Church Synod when the Third Reich began. He founded his
own
regional variation of the German Chrisitans (Deutsche Christen)
party.
We commit ourselves, and we demand this commitment not only from the
elected representatives of the church, but above all from all
Protestant men and women, to service in our communities! We want to
serve: through tireless recruitment to our worship; through
chivalrous
intervention for the poor and needy, through defence of our faith;...
through true Evangelical witness in public.
-Erich Koch, as quoted in Scholder, Churches, [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Only we can enter into Luther's spirit.... Human cults do not set us
free from all sin, but faith alone. With us the church shall become a
serving member of the state.... There is a deep sense that our
celebration is not attended by superficiality, but rather by thanks
to
a man who saved German cultural values.
-Erich Koch, Konigsberg-Hartungsche Zeitung, 20 Nov. 1933, [cited
from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Wilhelm Kube
Kube began his postwar political life as General Secretary of the
German National People's Party (Deutschnationale Volkspartei, or
DNVP). Through the DNVP he moved into the NSDAP in 1928 and served as
Gauteiter of Brandenburg (later "Kurmark"). More importantly to this
subject, he cofounded the German Christians (Deutsche Christen, or
DC), a party within the Protestant Church that originally went by the
name Protestant National Socialists. It came from Hitler's suggestion
that "German Christians" served as a better name for the party. Kube
wanted to "gain control of the churches" and to "bring the churches
in
hand." [Steigmann-Gall]
Kube had a long link with Protestantism as he had an active life in a
parish community council in Berlin after the First World War and had
become a member of the synod of the Diocese of Berlin. His role in
founding the German Christian movement came from his conviction that
Nazism represented the true interests of German Protestantism rather
than from a cynical posturing for the sake of winning votes.
[Steigmann-Gall]Precisely because we affirm it, because we are
convinced that Christianity and Germanhood have come together in so
infinitely many respects that they cannot be separated.... We have
confidence in the German state, that its politics are not opposed to
Christian interests and Christian sensibilities, but rather that it
will look after these interests in all circumstances.
-Wilhelm Kube, cofounder of the German Christians party (Deutsche
Christen, or DC), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
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Joachim Ribbentrop
A fanatical Nazi and anti-semite, Ribbentrop became Hitler's
favourite
foreign policy advisor and served as Foreign Minister of Germany from
1938 until 1945.May God save Germany!
-Joachim Ribbentrop, his last words before his hanging, (Hitler's
Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen,"
Berkley Books, 1990)
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Bernhard Rust
Rust joined the NSDAP in 1922 and Hitler appointed him as Minister of
Science, Art, and Education for Prussia. Later he served as Minister
of Education in Nazi Germany.In the 150-year Wars of Religion we
were,
as a Reich and Volk, almost destroyed. Today we stand in a bitter
struggle for existence against Bolshevism. I appeal to the Christian
churches of both confessions to join with us against this enemy in
defense of their living values of belief and morality.
-Bernhard Rust, Volkischer Beobachter, 9 Feb. 1933, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
If anyone can lay claim to God's help, then it is Hitler, for without
God's benevolent fatherly hand, without his blessing, the nation
would
not be where it stands today. It is an unbelievable miracle that God
has bestowed on our people.
-Bernhard Rust, in a speech to a mass meeting of German Chrisitans on
June 29, 1933 [Helmreich]
Since Martin Luther closed his eyes, no such son of our people has
appeared again. It has been decided that we shall be the first to
witness his reappearance.... I think the time is past when one may
not
say the names of Hitler and Luther in the same breath. They belong
together; they are of the same old stamp [Schrot und Korn].
-Bernhard Rust, Volkischer Beobachter, 25 Aug. 1933, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We have not fought to build a paganistic temple, but to unite the
German Volk for all eternity. We do not build temples against the
Christian church, we do not want Valhalla as a substitute for a
Christian heaven.
-Bernhard Rust, Das Evangelische Deutschland, 1 July 1934, [cited
from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Neither the Reformation nor the Counter-Reformation fully conquered
all of Germany, nor did either create a Christian state religion. The
National Socialist program commits itself to positive Christianity.
However, the German Volk, split into two religions, cannot express
one
confession to Christian dogma, but only to practical Christianity.
The
two confessions can find each other in Christian ethics, whereas in
dogma the Volk breaks in two.
-Bernhard Rust, Deutsche Allgmeine Zeitung, 23 March 1935, [cited
from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
What Christianity achieves is not dogma, it does not seek the outward
ecclesiastical form, but rather ethical principles.... There is not
religion and no philosophy that equals it in its moral content; no
philosophical ethics is better able to diffuse the tension between
this life and the hereafter, from which Christianity and its ethic
were born.
-Bernhard Rust, Reichsbote, 31 March 1935: in Bundesarchiv Potsdam,
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Hans Schemm
Schemm served as the Head of the National Socialist Teachers' League
(Nationalsozialistischer Lehrerbund, or NSLB). After 1933 he became
Bavarian Minister of Education and Culture. Throughout the Reich,
Germans particularly knew Schemm for his slogan, "Our religion is
Christ, our politics Fatherland!" He designed his speeches, famous in
Bavaria, to cast Nazism as a religious revival. Police reports
stated,
Schemm spoke "like a pastor" and often ended his deliveries with the
Lutheran hymn "A Mighty Fortress is our God."We are no theologians,
no
representatives of the teaching profession in this sense, put forth
no
theology. But we claim one thing for ourselves: that we place the
great fundamental idea of Christianity in the enter of our ideology
[Ideenwelt]- the hero and sufferer Christ himself stands in the
center.
-Hans Schemm, Walter Kunneth, Werner Wilm, and Hans Schemm, Was haben
wir als evangelische Christen zum Rufe des Nationalsozialismus zu
sagen? (Dresden, 1931), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
Each confession in honor, but the common holy bond, which is tied
together through both confessions, must always be emphasized on
account of the German and Christian community. We all say a Lord's
Prayer, we all have a Savior, we all have a Christmas celebration.
The
banner above both confessions is: Christianity.
-Hans Schemm, Walter Kunneth, Werner Wilm, and Hans Schemm, Was haben
wir als evangelische Christen zum Rufe des Nationalsozialismus zu
sagen? (Dresden, 1931), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
We all say a Lord's Prayer, we all have a Savior, we all have a
Christmas celebration. The banner above both confessions is:
Christianity.
-Hans Schemm, Kunneth et al., Rufe des Nationalsozialismus, [cited
from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
The Protestant League stands very close to the NSDAP. It is
consciously German and, through moral and religious power, wants to
contribute to the building up of the German people.
-Hans Schemm, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, (6 March 1931: Berlin),
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Note, In his original letter to Schemm, Wilhelm Fahrenhorst, head of
the Protestant League, indicated that he had spoken with Göring on
the
NSDAP's connection to Protestantism. Source: Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf (20 Dec. 1930), cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The
Holy Reich
The Protestant League stands very close to the NSDAP. It is
consciously German and, through moral and religious power, wants to
contribute to the building up of the German people.... [It has] the
same line as the NSDAP against the Center as [representatives of]
political, ultramontane Catholicism.
-Hans Schemm, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, (6 March 1931: Berlin),
[cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
It is henceforth the goal of the Education Ministry that every child
in Bavarian schools shall be made familiar with the principles of the
Christian and national state.... Religious instruction is nothing
other than service to the soul of children. Faith in god and the
personality of the teacher must be expressed in a realistic
instruction filled with religious sincerity.
-Hans Schemm, Dokumente zur Kirchenpolitik, 27 June 1933, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
Note, Schemm reiterated these points in a document written in late
June 1933, when the NSDAP no longer needed to court the political
favor of the Reichstag's Christian parties. [Steigmann-Gall]
So long as the Bible was available to us only in a foreign language,
so long as it was only spoken to us in Latin, we could only grasp it
as things are grasped through the iron gloves of a knight: he is
aware
of the shape and weight , but can only feel iron. When Luther made
the
Bible accessible to Germans in the glorious German language, it was
as
if we had cast off the iron glove and with the flesh and blood of our
German hand were finally able to grasp our unique character.... The
older and more experienced he became, the less he could understand
one
particular type of person: this was the Jew. His engagement against
the decomposing Jewish spirit is clearly evident not only from his
writing against the Jews; his life too was idealistically,
philosophically antisemitic. Now we Germans of today have the duty to
recognize and acknowledge this.
-Hans Schemm, "Luther und das Deutschtum," Bundesarchiv Berlin-
Zehlendorf (19 Nov. 1933: Berlin), [cited from Richard Steigmann-
Gall's The Holy Reich]
Our confession to God is a confession of a doctrine of totality....
To
give ultimate significance to the totalities of race, resistance and
personality there is added the supreme totalitarian slogan of our
Volk: "Religion and God." God is the greatest totality and extends
over all else.
-Hans Schemm, (Gertrud Kahl-Furthmann (ed.), Hans Schemm spricht:
Seine Reden und sein Werk (Bayreuth, 1935), [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
What went for Luther goes for us as well: only through the mirror of
our blood and our race are we able to see God as he must be seen.
-Hans Schemm, (Gertrud Kahl-Furthmann (ed.), Hans Schemm spricht:
Seine Reden und sein Werk (Bayreuth, 1935), [cited from Richard
Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We wish for nothing as ardently as a powerful Protestant Church which
stands on the foundations prepared by the great Reformer martin
Luther.... It is not possible for a church to stand apart or against
the Volk. Rather the church must stand in service to the Volk. The
great Nazarene did not stand apart in a quiet corner.
-Hans Schemm, [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Baldur Benedikt von Schirach
A prominent Nazi official, Schirach served as the head of the Hitler-
Jugend (HJ, Hitler Youth) and Gauleiter and Reichsstatthalter
("Imperial Governor") of Vienna.
Like many German Christians (especially Protestants), Schirach
believed that Christianity and the churches did not describe the same
thing. (It goes much to this reason why many American Christians who
do not understand the religious conflicts in Germany, see Nazis as
against Christianity, not realizing that they attacked the political
aims of the churches, not Christianity itself or Jesus. This
especially held more for the Protestants because many Protestants in
Germany saw Catholicism as an encroachment against their faith. They
say of us that we are an anti-Christian movement. They even say that
I
am an outspoken paganist.... I solemnly declare here, before the
German public, that I stand on the basis of Christianity, but I
declare just as solemnly that I will put down every attempt to
introduce confessional matters into our Hitler Youth.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, in a December1933 speech in
Braunschweig, [from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
If today he descended from Heaven, the great warrior who struck the
moneychangers/ You would once again shout 'crucify!'/ And nail him to
the cross that he himself carried/ But he would gently laugh at your
hatred/ 'The truth remains even when your bearers are passed/ Faith
remains, because I give my life...'/ And the fighter of all the world
towers on the cross.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Evangelium im Dritten Reich, 1 July
1934: in Bundesarchiv Potsdam, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's
The Holy Reich]
In no manner does the HJ restrict the religious activities of its
members. Neither in their visits to Sunday services, nor in their
contribution to other church festivities, will Catholic Hitler youths
be restricted by the leadership of the HJ.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Baldur von Schirach, Die Hitler-
Jugend:
Idee und Gestalt (Berlin, 1934), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's
The Holy Reich]
I hold the view that religious meetings and events in special
religious youth gatherings do not contradict the HJ's totalizing
claims. Every effort that aims at a deepening and intensification of
religious feeling must not only be welcomed, but also led, by any
youth leadership with a sense of responsibility. I believe that
through the agreement with the Reich Bishop of the Protestant Chuch,
the Hitler Youth has indicated that it is ready to grant the
necessary
space for religious education.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Schirach, Hitler-jugend, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
We all believe in an almighty God. We are all, even the youngest
among
us, witnesses to the wonderful transformation that the Volk has
experienced through His help, the transformation from impotence and
destruction to strength and harmony. The Hitler Youth wants nothing
less than to secure this strength and harmony for all time.
-Baldur Benedikt von Schirach, Markische Volkszeitung, 3 June 1935,
Bundesarchiv Potsdam, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy
Reich]
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Ludwig Siebert
Siebert served as the Governor-General of Bavaria. Hitler had also
made him the official responsible for the restoration of all the
German castles in the Reich. Siebert presided over the inauguration
of
Hans Meiser as Bavarian State Bishop in June 1933. On that occasion
Siebert expressed his desire to work with Meiser:
church and state must discuss and promote the same questions.... 1)
The awakening of a sense of sacrifice; 2) The creation of the new
social ethic; 3) Leading our youth to Volk and God, to Fatherland and
Christianity.
-Ludwig Siebert, June 1933, Dokumente zur Kirchenpolitik, [cited from
Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
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Julius Streicher
Julius Streicher, the ninth child of a Roman Catholic primary school
teacher, also became a school teacher in Nuremberg. He published,
edited, and wrote for the German newspaper Der Stürmer and served as
a
prominent Nazi prior to and during World War II.
After Hitler's release from prison in December 1924, Streicher hailed
Hitler's return to politics as a "gift of God," a judgement the
Fuehrer never forgot.
Streicher held an enthusiam about allegations that the Jews murdered
non-Jews in order to obtain blood for the feast of Passover. He
charged that Jews hated Christianity and mankind in general.
Streicher
went to grotesque lengths in his attacks on Jews claiming the
discovery that "Christ was not a Jew but an Aryan."If the danger of
the reproduction of that curse of God in the Jewish blood is finally
to come to an end, then there is only one way-- the extermination of
that people whose father is the devil...
-Julius Streicher paraphrasing John 8:44 as his justification for
extermination (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol. 12)
Only the Jews, he shouted, had remained victorious after the dreadful
days of World War I. These were the people, he charged, of whom
Christ
said, "Its father is the devil."
-Julius Streicher [See John 8:44, for Christ's accusation of father
the devil], (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most
Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
Germans must fight Jews, that organized body of world criminals
against whom Christ, the greatest anti-Semite of all time, had
fought.
-Julius Streicher (Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's
Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
[We] relentlessly fight the shady mixing of religion and Jewish party
politics, and fight to keep religion pure, as did the Lord when he
threw the hagglers and usurers out of the Temple.
-Julius Streicher "Kulturkampf!" (Flugblatt): IfZ MA 740 (10 March
1924: Munich), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]
During the Nuremberg trials, Streicher was asked about his
participation in the Nuremberg Race laws of 1935. He responded:Yes, I
believe I had a part in it insofar as for years I have written that
any further mixture of German blood with Jewish blood must be
avoided.
I have written such articles again and again; and in my articles I
have repeatedly emphasized the fact that the Jews should serve as an
example to every race, for they created the racial law for
themselves-- the law of Moses, which says, "If you come into a
foreign
land you shall not take unto yourself foreign women." And that,
Gentlemen, is of tremendous importance in judging the Nuremberg
Laws..
These laws of the Jews were taken as a model for these laws. When
after centuries, the Jewish lawgiver Ezra demonstrated that
notwithstanding many Jews had married non-Jewish women, these
marriages were dissolved. That was the beginning of Jewry which,
because it introduced these racial laws, has survived throughout the
centuries, while all other races and civilizations have perished.
-Julius Streicher, (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol. 12)
[Note, although Streicher had a part in the race laws, Hitler
outlined
his religious justification for the race laws in his private notes
before he came into power. To see a translation from one of Hitler's
notes, click here.]
When asked if there were any other anti-Semitic publications, other
than Der Stürmer, published in Germany, Streicher replied:
Anti-Semitic publications have existed in Germany for centuries. A
book I had, written by Dr. Martin Luther, was, for instance,
confiscated. Dr. Martin Luther would very probably sit in my place in
the defendants' dock today, if this book had been taken into
consideration by the Prosecution. In this book The Jews and Their
Lies, Dr. Martin Luther writes that the Jews are a serpent's brood
and
one should burn down their synagogues and destroy them...
-Julius Streicher, (Trial of The Major War Criminals Before the
International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1945, Vol. 12)'''
[For Luther's book, On the Jews and their lies, click here.]
Now it goes to God!
-Julius Streicher, as he mounted the gallows platform to his death,
(Hitler's Elite, Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious
Henchmen," Berkley Books, 1990)
Purim Fest, 1946.
-Julius Streicher, his last words before his hanging, (Hitler's
Elite,
Shocking Profiles of the Reich's Most Notorious Henchmen," Berkley
Books, 1990)
Martin
Budikka666
> On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
> incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
>
> > On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
> > show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
> > 6 million Jews..
>
> Which "questions," specifically?
>
> The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
This has already been proven a colossal LIE.
Anyone who writes a nonsense word like "Darwiniaity" is not worth any
betterr esponse.
Whenever you can overcome your unfortunate exposure to severe
chickenshit, Ford, I'll take you on right here in these fora in a
formal debate on this topic.
Budikka
Ron Baker, Pluralitas!
"Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On May 2, 9:41 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>> The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
>
>That's a lie. Hitler was a Catholic. Why do you continue to lie?
Because he is a troll. He gets a kick out of irritating you.
Feed that troll.
Stephen Knight
>On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
>incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
>> On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>> And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
>> show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
>> 6 million Jews..
>
>Which "questions," specifically?
>
>The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
Hitler was a catholic. Specifically, the Lutheran cult.
Now read what Martin Luther said about Jews
Duh....
A classic example of one religion wiping out another. Isn't THAT a
shocker!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
Christopher A.Lee
<woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 2 May 2007 06:41:21 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>
>>On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
>>incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
>>> On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>> And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
>>> show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
>>> 6 million Jews..
>>
>>Which "questions," specifically?
>>
>>The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
>
> Hitler was a catholic. Specifically, the Lutheran cult.
No. Lutherans are Protestant. Hitler was Catholic, and his orders were
carries out by Catholics and Lutherans which are the major
denominations there.
Martin Phipps
> On May 2, 12:55 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 2, 10:33 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > On Apr 30, 1:00 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The thing about "eugenics" is not that it is immoral, but that it just
> > > > doesn't work.
> > > Could eugenics work?
> > [...]
> > > As you may know, I have come out in favor of exterminating all
> > > sub-persons.
>
> > You fit the type of person who would.
>
> Does the atheist Peter Singer "fit the type of person who would"?
Of course not. He describes himself as a "moral atheist".
(See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer )
Would you describe yourself as "moral"?
Martin
Martin Phipps
> On May 2, 1:04 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 2, 10:09 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > On Apr 29, 4:08 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 28, 10:27 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 26, 9:57 pm, f...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>
> > > > > > Actually the Nazis adopted Lemarkianism,
>
> > > > > Names of some Nazis that "adopted Lemarkianism"?
>
> > > > Hitler, for one.
>
> > > What considerations lead you to think that Hitler "adopted
> > > Lemarkianism"?
>
> > He did experiments on people to change eye people's eye colour.
>
> I had not heard that Hitler worked in the science laboratory. Ref for
> your allegation that Hitler "did experiments on people to change eye
> people's eye colour"?
He also did not personally escort Jews to the gas chamber and yet
these were his orders.
> > He seemed to think that if you chnaged the characteristics of a person
> > that these characteristics would be passed on to the next generation.
>
> Ref?
See below.
> If a student becomes well-educated through many years of intense
> schooling, will that individual's offspring be highly-intelligent?
Not necessarily. Do you think that is how evolution works? You're
wrong.
> > He did not understand genetics, let alone evolution, so it is a lie to
> > say he was following Darwin's theories. See
> >http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jan2001/979316388.Sh.r.html
>
> "he [Hitler] did not understand... evolution"
>
> Do you "understand... evolution"?
I understand it enough to know that Hitler didn't understand it.
> Meaning of "evolution"?
If you don't know then you should look in a dictionary or check
wikipedia or do a google search. You might even consider opening a
science textbook. Don't dismiss evolution as evil without even
understanding it.
For the record, "to evolve" means "to change". Some people think it
means "to improve" but a species which has evolved has only improved
in the sense that it is better fit to survive. Evolution is not
eugenics: it is not about "improving the race". Nor has any scientist
claimed that a monkey ever became a human being: evolution is a
process that takes place over generations. Evolution is really not
about improvement at all: it's about diversification - and that's the
exact opposite of what the Nazis stood for.
Martin
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> On May 2, 9:54 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > On May 2, 12:55 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On May 2, 10:33 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > > On Apr 30, 1:00 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > The thing about "eugenics" is not that it is immoral, but that it just
> > > > > doesn't work.
> > > > Could eugenics work?
> > > [...]
> > > > As you may know, I have come out in favor of exterminating all
> > > > sub-persons.
>
> > > You fit the type of person who would.
>
> > Does the atheist Peter Singer "fit the type of person who would"?
>
> Of course not.
Does the atheist Haeckel "fit the type of person who would"?
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Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
Gould: "Haeckel.... contributed to the rise of Nazism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1158864074.051352.81770%40h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
> He describes himself as a "moral atheist".
>
> (See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer)
>
> Would you describe yourself as "moral"?
Yes. I've never done an immoral action in my life.
Do you disagree with any of this Singer?:
Singer, Peter. 1994. _Rethinking Life and Death: The Collapse of
Our
Traditional Ethics_ (NY: St. Martin's Press), 256pp. On 206:
Not all members of the species _Homo sapiens_
are persons....
On 198:
....only a person has a right to life.^6
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Sub-persons/ sub-humans are expendable.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139372980.005787.15450%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Edward Simon, probably originally in his Another Side to the Evolution
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Do you think arrogant drivel is sky pilots' "stock in trade"?
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1178151419.7...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
From: "david ford" <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu>
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Subject: 1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is...completely anti-Christian."
Date: 25 Apr 2006 07:38:05 -0700
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Stile4aly wrote in "Re: Hasn't this become really tiresome?":
> Forgive the top post, but let's just give this all a rest, shall we?
No. I shall continue to present quotations and positions of prominent
and not-so-prominent atheism-adherents.
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_,
translated
and edited by Fred Taylor (USA: Penguin Books), 490pp. On 76 and 77,
from the entry for 28 December 1939. Fuller text is at
http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=21672
The best way to deal with the churches is to claim to
be a 'positive Christian'.
==
We come back to religious questions again. The
Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-
Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of
decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race.
This can be seen in the similarity of religious rites.
Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end,
they will be destroyed.
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1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler and an Ethical Culture person on 'God'
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141614380.247917.88330%40p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Re: support incinerating body parts of killed preborn human life?:
> On May 2, 9:32 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > On May 1, 2:08 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote:
> > > On 30-Apr-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > > > On Apr 29, 11:13 pm, "dh" <d...@stargate.com> wrote in Re: Nazis
> > > > "adopted... the vocabulary of Darwin":
> > > > > <dfo...@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > > [chop]
>
> > > > > Whatever. The Nazis also said, famously, "arbeit macht frei," when they
> > > > > really meant "up the chimney or die as a slave"
>
> > > > Do you support incinerating the body parts of killed preborn human
> > > > life?
>
> > > Continuing lie noted in dodge.
>
> > Do you think abortion involves:
> > killing?
> > death?
>
>
> > > > Meaning of "Gott"?
>
> > > Truly pathetic.
>
> > What do you think is the meaning of [Hitler]"God" here?:
>
What, in your view, are "theists"?
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become like famous mass-killer atheists, and have others worship you
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1152629227.581932.229990%40s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the terms deist, theist, and atheist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1139329016.368142.172510%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> What evidence can you cite to show that they thought Hitler (as
> opposed to Christ) was God?
Who is "they"?
Do you still think Haeckel was a Christian?
(In actuality, Haeckel was an atheist.)
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Haeckel, Ernst. 1900. _The Riddle of the Universe: At the
Close of the Nineteenth Century_, translated by Joseph
McCabe. (NY: Harper & Brothers Publishers), 391pp. On 328:
....on familiar principles of science, we put aside the
notion of supernatural conception through an
"overshadowing of the Most High" as a pure myth....
The statement of the apocryphal gospels, that the
Roman officer, Pandera, was the true father of
Christ, seems all the more credible when we make a
careful anthropological study of the personality of
Christ. He is generally regarded as purely Jewish.
Yet the characteristics which distinguish his high
and noble personality, and which give a distinct
impress to his religion, are certainly not Semitical;
they are rather features of the higher Arian race,
and especially of its noblest branch, the Hellenes.
Gould: "Haeckel.... contributed to the rise of Nazism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1158864074.051352.81770%40h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell, do you still consider Haeckel a theist?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1153404352.446804.31830%4075g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
Haeckel and Buchner and a Darwinian, atheistic a-moral climate
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118315214.069039.280490%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell's erroneous characterization of Haeckel as a
theist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138716317.149372.152790%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1853 Haeckel: "slashed his Jewish face about handsomely"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1136994529.626798.131080%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel on 'antisemitism'
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132770569.112996.213900%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Darwin praise for Rolle, T.H. Huxley, Buchner, & Haeckel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134766736.390460.205460%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel was a freethinker/ atheist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133546258.818109.194350%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Haeckel; Haeckel was an atheism-adherent
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Darwin, T.H. Huxley, Haeckel, Trotha, Goebbels, Hitler, Marx, O'Hair
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133186735.613068.108090%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Marr, Lagarde and Langbehn, Haeckel,
Plate, Darwin, Goebbels, Marx, O'Hair
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132194665.884388.158410%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel and 1941 Hitler parallel
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118920740.543349.176440%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1868 Haeckel, 2003 Dawkins, 1997 George Williams, 1995 Dennett:
Darwinist atheists/ materialists downgrading the value of human life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-399aluF5uql89U1%40individual.net
Stephen Knight
<ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:02:44 -0700, Stephen Knight
><woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2 May 2007 06:41:21 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>
>>>On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
>>>incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
>>>> On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>>> And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
>>>> show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
>>>> 6 million Jews..
>>>
>>>Which "questions," specifically?
>>>
>>>The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
>>
>> Hitler was a catholic. Specifically, the Lutheran cult.
>
>No. Lutherans are Protestant. Hitler was Catholic, and his orders were
>carries out by Catholics and Lutherans which are the major
>denominations there.
I understand, but Hitler's hatred stems from reading the papers of
Martin Luther. He broke away from the catholic church and created a
Reformation.
It's been a long time since I've read the attributions. I'd be
interested on how you view this.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
fla...@verizon.net
On 3-May-2007, Stephen Knight <woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:25:38 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
> <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:02:44 -0700, Stephen Knight
> ><woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On 2 May 2007 06:41:21 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> >>
> >>>On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
> >>>incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
> >>>> On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> >>>> And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
> >>>> show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
> >>>> 6 million Jews..
> >>>
> >>>Which "questions," specifically?
> >>>
> >>>The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
> >>
> >> Hitler was a catholic. Specifically, the Lutheran cult.
> >
> >No. Lutherans are Protestant. Hitler was Catholic, and his orders were
> >carries out by Catholics and Lutherans which are the major
> >denominations there.
>
> I understand, but Hitler's hatred stems from reading the papers of
> Martin Luther.
Hitler *used* Martin Luthger's writings, but Hitler himself believed
only in himself and some sort of weird version of German paganism.
He was NUTS.
Susan
Christopher A.Lee
<woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 03 May 2007 00:25:38 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 May 2007 20:02:44 -0700, Stephen Knight
>><woo...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2 May 2007 06:41:21 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 1, 10:49 pm, flav...@verizon.net wrote in Re: support
>>>>incinerating body parts of [snip anti-choice lie]:
>>>>> On 1-May-2007, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>>>> And you still haven't answered any questions put to you that
>>>>> show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people, and specifically
>>>>> 6 million Jews..
>>>>
>>>>Which "questions," specifically?
>>>>
>>>>The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
>>>
>>> Hitler was a catholic. Specifically, the Lutheran cult.
>>
>>No. Lutherans are Protestant. Hitler was Catholic, and his orders were
>>carries out by Catholics and Lutherans which are the major
>>denominations there.
>
> I understand, but Hitler's hatred stems from reading the papers of
>Martin Luther. He broke away from the catholic church and created a
>Reformation.
Read the Catholic church fathers as well.
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
>
> Have you answered any questions put to you that
> show Hitler used Xianity to kill 12 million people,
Hitler was an atheist.
What do you mean by "used"?-- 'ruthlessly attacked'?
Hitler, Adolf. _Mein Kampf_ at
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch03.html
The hard struggle which the Pan-germans fought with the
Catholic Church can be accounted for only by their
insufficient understanding of the spiritual nature of the
people.
The causes for the new party's violent attack on Rome
were as follows:
==
The general impression could only be that the Catholic
clergy as such was grossly infringing on German rights.
Thus the Church did not seem to feel with the German
people, but to side unjustly with the enemy. The root of
the whole evil lay, particularly in Schonerer's opinion, in
the fact that the directing body of the Catholic Church
was not in Germany, and that for this very reason alone it
was hostile to the interests of our nationality.
==
In my study of the Pan-German movement and its
struggle against Rome, I then, and even more in the
years to come, arrived at the following conviction: This
movement's inadequate appreciation of the importance of
the social problem cost it the truly militant mass of the
people; its entry into parliament took away its mighty
impetus and burdened it with all the weaknesses peculiar
to this institution; the struggle against the Catholic Church
made it impossible in numerous small and middle circles,
and thus robbed it of countless of the best elements that
the nation can call its own.
The practical result of the Austrian _Kulturkampf_ was
next to nil.[I edited that line a little, using Manheim's
translation -df]
To be sure, it succeeded in tearing some hundred
thousand members away from the Church, yet without
causing it any particular damage. In this case the Church
really had no need to shed tears over the lost 'lambs'; for
it lost only those who had long ceased to belong to it. The
difference between the new reformation and the old one
was that in the old days many of the best people in the
Church turned away from it through profound religious
conviction, while now only those who were lukewarm to
begin with departed, and this from 'considerations' of a
political nature.
And precisely from the political standpoint the result was
just as laughable as it was sad.
Once again a promising political movement for the
salvation of the German nation had gone to the dogs
because it had not been led with the necessary cold
ruthlessness, but had lost itself in fields which could only
lead to disintegration.
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Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
January 1938
Klemperer, Victor. 1998. _I Will Bear Witness: A Diary of the Nazi
Years: 1933-1941_, translated by Martin Chalmers (NY: Random House),
519pp. This was first published in Germany in 1995. About the book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375753788
On 249, from the entry for 31 January 1938:
....the sudden exclusion of non-Aryan doctors from the
private insurance schemes. Apart from that in recent
weeks anti-Semitism has once again been very much in
the foreground (it rotates: now the Jews, now the
Catholics, now the Protestant ministers).
December 1939
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_,
translated
and edited by Fred Taylor (USA: Penguin Books), 490pp. On 75, from
the entry for 27 December 1939, a paragraph. Text (slightly mangled)
is also at
http://www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20030328.html
The Pope has made a Christmas speech. Full of
bitter, covert attacks against us, against the Reich
and National Socialism. All the forces of
internationalism are against us. We must break
them.
Thyssen, Fritz. 1941. _I Paid Hitler_ (London: Hodder and
Stoughton,
Ltd.), 319pp. Translated from the original French by Cesar
Saerchinger. On 237:
At Dusseldorf a Reich attorney paraded details of
immorality cases and presented them in such a way
as to incriminate the clergy and the Church, whether
they were true or false.
Grunberger, Richard. 1971. _The 12-Year Reich: A Social History of
Nazi Germany: 1933-1945_ (USA: Holt, Rinehart and Winston), 535pp.
On 442-3:
The years 1936 and 1937, moreover, saw a key
area of institutional Catholicism-- the monasteries
and the convents-- subjected to a sustained official
campaign of vilification. Hundreds of monks and
nuns were arraigned in the courts on charges
ranging from illegal currency transactions to sexual
malpractices. .... One monster trial at Koblenz
involved 267 members of the Franciscan order (out
of a national total of 500); the charges related to
offences against the frequently imbecilic youngsters
under the brothers' care.
atheist Haeckel on killing the disabled
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3a8etdF65smnrU4%40individual.net
resistance to Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1146158953.142022.188680%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/10ac5d963dfa0eba?hl=en&
Mike Painter
>
> Hitler was an atheist.
> What do you mean by "used"?-- 'ruthlessly attacked'?
So dford says Hitler was an atheist and uses quotes which talk about actions
against the RCC to support this claim. One of them involves trials against
how people were treated by these Catholics, somewhat reminiscent of what
they are still doing.
Hitler in Mien Kampf, the document dford quotes says,
''I believe today that my conduct
is in accordance with the will of the Almighty
Creator.''pp46
''What we have to fight for...is the
freedom and independence of the fatherland,
so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
the mission assigned to it by the Creator.''pp125
''This human world of ours would
be inconceivable without the practical existence
of a religious belief.''pp152
''And the founder of Christianity made
no secret indeed of his estimation of the
Jewish people. When He found it necessary,
He drove those enemies of the human race
out of the Temple of God.''pp174
''God be praised and thanked.''pp226, 268
''Catholics and Protestants are
fighting with one another...while the enemy
of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is
laughing up his sleeve.''pp309
So I guess people will have to decide if dford or Hitler was more aware of
what Hitler said he believed.
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > Hitler was an atheist.
> > What do you mean by "used"?-- 'ruthlessly attacked'?
>
> So dford says Hitler was an atheist and uses quotes which talk about actions
> against the RCC to support this claim.
And you say Hitler was what?
I say that the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheist who worshiped Hitler and
Nature. Do you disagree with my characterization of Ley?
31 March 1939 Robert Ley
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ley3.htm
The Fuhrer once said: "If you take an idol from
people, you must replace it with a true god." Our
god is the wonderful law of creation, whose
amazing unity of all things shows itself in wonderful
flowers, in growing trees, in new born children, in
the secrets of a mother, in the growth of our people,
in work and accomplishment and creation, in life
itself. It is the joy we have in everything. How
beautiful everything is. Do you feel the same way?
I am so happy to be alive.
A priest recently asked me: "But what about
eternity...?"
I replied: "A day in National Socialist Germany is
better for me than all of your heaven."
3 November 1936 Robert Ley
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ley2.htm
That is why we love Adolf Hitler so much. .... The
German nation and its soul belong to Adolf Hitler
and his party.
When one makes a total claim on the soul of a
nation, it is not enough to preach. One must also
understand organization. .... We are a young
people. We have all the weaknesses of a child. A
child wants a father to hold it. When there is thunder
and lightning, the child is afraid and hurries to its
father, for it wants to be safe. That is like the
leadership of a people. You, block leaders, block
wardens, cell leaders, cell wardens, must be that if
there are storms again in Germany, you must be a
refuge for the people, if sacrifices are again
demanded. You must say: "Citizens, stay calm! The
Fuhrer is always right!"
.... The people nearly perished. Catastrophe was
only narrowly averted. It was all due to the faith of
one man! Yes, you who called us godless, we found
our faith in Adolf Hitler, and through him found God
once again. .... You, citizen from the firm, you can
say: "I, too, lived during that time, I, too, believed in
Adolf Hitler."
Compare
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118976003.052269.211420%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
31 March 1939 Robert Ley
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ley3.htm
No one has greater reverence for god and creation
than we do.
==
We are finding god, indeed we have already found
him. Where does the desire for god come from,
where does faith come from, or true piety, if not
from god? I know only one way to tell: If a person
quietly and contemplatively faces events. One must
be confident and self-assured, not afraid and
nervous. Then I can say: "You have a god. You
are not worried, you do not run around like chicken
with its head cut off, but rather you stay calm."
Look at our people today, and remember how they
were ten or twenty years ago. If that is the measure
of whether one believes in god or not, if one faces
everything that fate brings, if [one] faces war or peace
calmly, if one faces life calmly and lives it the same
way, then one has god. To have god means to
have a fixed point in life, to have god means to have
faith. I do not know what the future will bring, since
I am only a man, but I am not concerned. English
newspapers write: "Germany will gain no advantage
from Bohemia and Moravia." One doesn't know
which is more astonishing: the Fuhrer's pace or the
peace with which 80 million Germans accept what
happens. That means we have god: we are calm,
we have faith and confidence-- just like the priests
always say. Yes, the Fuhrer gave confidence to
every German, and therefore peace and faith. We
have found god.
We have become a people that believes in god.
Hitler and an Ethical Culture person on 'God'
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[Ley]"Our god is the wonderful law of creation"
Compare:
atheism-adherents Hitler & Haeckel parallels
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133410708.967895.276860%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Mindreader Mitchell's erroneous characterization of Haeckel as a
theist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1138716317.149372.152790%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler was an atheist.
As was:
Haeckel, Buchner, T.H. and J. Huxley, Robert Ley, Lenin, Marx, Stalin,
Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, O'Hair.
As is:
Dawkins, Dennett, Humphrey, Singer, Kim Jong Il.
become like famous mass-killer atheists, and have others worship you
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1152629227.581932.229990%40s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
worship of one's self
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1155401734.714656.220870%40m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com
> One of them involves trials against
> how people were treated by these Catholics, somewhat reminiscent of what
> they are still doing.
Who is "they"? "Still doing" where?
> Hitler in Mien Kampf, the document dford quotes says,
>
> ''I believe today that my conduct
> is in accordance with the will of the Almighty
> Creator.''pp46
What are some attributes of [Hitler]"the Almighty Creator"?
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1860 atheism-adherent Huxley:
"the Almighty...him" = "Nature....she";
"deep sense of religion...compatible with the entire absence of
theology"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141353908.308726.161380%40z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
[Hitler, and Darwin]"Nature... she"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132161340.121874.63970%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stephen, Leslie. "Pantheism and Agnosticism" in
Darrow, Clarence and Wallace Rice. 1929. _Infidels and Heretics: An
Agnostic's Anthology_ (Boston, MA: The Stratford Company,
Publishers),
293pp., 34. On 34:
We no longer doubt, it is true, whether there be a
God, for our God means all reality.... We keep the
old word [i.e. 'God']; we have altered the whole of its
contents.
> ''What we have to fight for...is the
> freedom and independence of the fatherland,
> so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
> the mission assigned to it by the Creator.''pp125
>
> ''This human world of ours would
> be inconceivable without the practical existence
> of a religious belief.''pp152
Hitler was an atheist with a secular religion.
Compare the above quote with:
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_,
translated
Multi-Pronged Role of Darwinian Thought in Shoah's Arrival
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132080322.482544.299440%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler & Darwin URLs
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1140576033.123225.228290%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Hitler's actions make sense given his atheism and eugenic, social
Darwinist vision
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1134145559.645139.229550%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net
On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net
> ''And the founder of Christianity made
> no secret indeed of his estimation of the
> Jewish people. When He found it necessary,
> He drove those enemies of the human race
> out of the Temple of God.''pp174
What, if anything, do you conclude about Hitler's views from that
remark?
> ''God be praised and thanked.''pp226, 268
Attributes of [Hitler]''God"?
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Hitler. Cited in
Heiden, Konrad. 1944. _Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power_,
translated almost entirely by Ralph Manheim, with Norbert Guterman
translating the last chapter and part of the prior chapter (Boston:
Houghton Mifflin Company), 788pp. Heiden also wrote _A History of
National Socialism_. On 758:
Germany is our God on this earth.
Compare
David Saville Muzzey, a leader in the Ethical Culture Movement:
Thus the 'God' that we love is not the figure on the great
white throne, but the perfect pattern, envisioned by faith,
of humanity as it should be, purged of the evil elements
which retard its progress....
Goebbels diary entry for 13 May 1943
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120450591.444214.186670%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
One might well ask why are there any Jews in the world order?
That would be exactly like asking why are there potato bugs?
Nature is dominated by the law of struggle. There will always
be parasites who will spur this struggle on and intensify the
process of selection between the strong and the weak. The
principle of struggle dominates also in human life. One must
merely know the laws of this struggle to be able to face it. ....
In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life
of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish
peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left
for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew....
....we are forever members of the Aryan race. .... Aboriginal
man, the Fuehrer believes, did not know the lie....
The nations that have been the first to see through the Jew and
have been the first to fight him are going to take his place in the
domination of the world.
U.S. Supreme Court
United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965)
380 U.S. 163
United States v. Seeger.
Certiorari to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second
Circuit.
Decided March 8, 1965.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=380&invol=163
Dr. David Saville Muzzey, a leader in the Ethical Culture
Movement, states in his book, _Ethics As a Religion_
(1951), that "[e]verybody except the avowed atheists (and
they are comparatively few) believes in some kind of
God," and that "The proper question to ask, therefore, is
[380 U.S. 163, 183] not the futile one, Do you believe in
God? but rather, What kind of God do you believe in?"
Id., at 86-87. Dr. Muzzey attempts to answer that
question:
"Instead of positing a personal God, whose existence
man can neither prove nor disprove, the ethical concept
is founded on human experience. It is anthropocentric,
not theocentric. Religion, for all the various definitions
that have been given of it, must surely mean the devotion
of man to the highest ideal that he can conceive. And that
ideal is a community of spirits in which the latent moral
potentialities of men shall have been elicited by their
reciprocal endeavors to cultivate the best in their fellow
men. What ultimate reality is we do not know; but we
have the faith that it expresses itself in the human world
as the power which inspires in men moral purpose." At
95.
"Thus the 'God' that we love is not the figure on the great
white throne, but the perfect pattern, envisioned by faith,
of humanity as it should be, purged of the evil elements
which retard its progress toward 'the knowledge, love and
practice of the right.'" At 98.
These are but a few of the views that comprise the broad
spectrum of religious beliefs found among us. But they
demonstrate very clearly the diverse manners in which
beliefs, equally paramount in the lives of their
possessors, may be articulated. They further reveal the
difficulties inherent in placing too narrow a construction
on the provisions of 6 (j) and thereby lend conclusive
support to the construction which we today find that
Congress intended.
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the courts on the secular religion of secular humanism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127528146.999596.314660%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> ''Catholics and Protestants are
> fighting with one another...while the enemy
> of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is
> laughing up his sleeve.''pp309
What, if anything, do you conclude about Hitler's views from that
remark?
> So I guess people will have to decide if dford or Hitler was more aware of
> what Hitler said he believed.
Yes, the lurkers will form their own opinions.
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a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler lied to Stalin
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d8l4ja02lio%40drn.newsguy.com
2001 Abraham Foxman: Hitler was a big liar
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128010617.235272.105530%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120837574.592972.268980%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
May 2003 Timothy Ryback on "Hitler's Forgotten Library"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895696/posts
1941 Hitler & 2003 Dawkins observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118932846.333778.56450%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
July 1945: "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian
Churches"
http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/nuremberg/nurinst1.htm
the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Nazi concentration camps for Catholics and Protestants
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1129228612.176548.107730%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
the atheism-adherent Hitler's actions are quite understandable
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127506418.014874.230840%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1939 Martha Dodd: Ernst Rohm rumored to be Hitler's better half
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127447560.529159.263760%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
1978 Graber: "homosexuality appears to have been widespread in
several volunteer [Freikorps] units"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1126151010.843839.115080%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1934 Ebermayer: "Hess... was for many years the Fuhrer's partner"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1121399969.441145.63680%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
a spiritual void among especially-influential Germans
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118976003.052269.211420%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Heiden, Konrad. 1944. _Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power_,
translated almost entirely by Ralph Manheim, with Norbert Guterman
translating the last chapter and part of the prior chapter (Boston:
Houghton Mifflin Company), 788pp. Heiden also wrote _A History of
National Socialism_. On 631, 634:
To many [in the Nazi movement], and not always the
worst among them, only faith in their fatherland had
retained any meaning, their own nation had become
God....
The church-weariness and faithlessness of
considerable sections of the Protestant church
membership, especially in the big cities, was clear
from the emptiness of the churches. But the beer
halls and sport stadiums could no longer hold all the
people who thronged to political meetings.
Yet in the spring of 1933, the Catholic Church was
able to demonstrate its appeal to great masses in
Germany. ....
Regarding the Catholic Church, note that Nazi terror tactics against
it
started at least as early as June-July 1934, when at least 3 Catholics
were brutally murdered during the time Hitler was murdering
homosexuals
such as his ex-lover Rohm and others who might divulge documents and
statements affirming that Hitler engaged in homosexual activity. One
of the 3 was Erich Klausener, who headed up the Pope Pius XI-founded
"Catholic Action" and who, the week before he was murdered on 30 June
1934, had held a Berlin meeting of 60,000 Catholics. Klausener gave a
speech there that Goering thought wasn't in line with National
Socialism.[Steinhoff et al., 30; Heiden, 770]
Steinhoff, Johannes, Peter Pechel, and Dennis Showalter. 1989.
_Voices From the Third Reich: An Oral History_ (Washington, DC:
Regnery Gateway), 550pp.
resistance to Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1146158953.142022.188680%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
freethinker/ atheist neo-Nazis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133809875.498392.214750%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Haeckel was a freethinker/ atheist
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133546258.818109.194350%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
Gould: "Haeckel.... contributed to the rise of Nazism"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1158864074.051352.81770%40h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
do you consider the freethinker/ atheist
Ingersoll, the atheist Dawkins, the atheist Marx, and/or Mencken
"bigots"?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1141916925.353567.255240%40i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com
your freethought/ atheism conversion experience?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135012135.008700.163480%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
factoids on atheism-adherent Stalin's 1937-8 Great Terror
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1166240537.094725.53530%40l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com
Marxist-Leninist atheism-adherents responsible for the killing of 94+
million
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167099703.362978.48000%40i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Martin Phipps
> Hitler was an atheist.
Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf)
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I
am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to
the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his
culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a
fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected
quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.
The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and
proclamations
http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm
Hitler's own words reveal his feelings for God, Christianity and
faith. Taken from speeches made by Hitler from the 1922 to 1939.
Quotes from Hitler's Henchmen and Nazi Sympathizers
http://www.nobeliefs.com/henchmen.htm
A sample of quotes from Hitler's most powerful Nazis and
sympathizers and how they felt about Christianity, Church and God.
Hitler compared to God/Jesus/Christians
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitlerchristian.htm
Hitler was not only a confessed Christian, but his intolerance and
atrocities were consistent with Biblical scripture and he acted as
other Christians of the past and present.
Christianity in Europe during WWII
http://www.nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm
The Catholic and Protestant Churches in Germany set the foundation
for WWII and the atrocities to occur. Popes, priests and nuns
supported Hitler's regime. Indeed, Hitler could not have come to
power without Christianity's help.
Nazi photos
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
Photos showing the Christianity of Hitler and his Nazi's and the
involvement of priests with Nazism.
Nazi Artifacts
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
Photos of Nazi mementoes, badges, pins, paintings, etc.
Hitler's Bible--Monumental History of Mankind
http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerBible.htm
Hitler's private notes show how the Bible influenced Hitler
Hitler's table talk and other extraneous sources
http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources.htm
Those who use argue against Hitler's Christianity use the Table-Talk
as their main source. However, the reliability of the source comes
into question, nor does it provide evidence against Hitler's own
Christian beliefs, even if valid.
Hitler myths
http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler-myths.htm
Many misconceptions exist about Hitler. This section provides a
brief explanation about the most common myths.
Martin
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna; the italics are in Manheim's
translation.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch02.html
Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement
of her commands.
Hence today I believe that I am acting in
accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator:
_by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the work of the Lord._
Do you think Hitler at any point ever made Jesus Christ the "Lord" of
Hitler's life?
Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
Hitler's life?
Do you think the adult Hitler thought the adult Hitler had Jesus
Christ as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?
Do you think Goebbels thought the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the
"Lord" of Hitler's life?
Re: the word "Lord":
Jesus claimed to be part of the Judeo-Christian God of theism godhead;
Frequently in the Hebrew scriptures, the God of Judaism is referred to
with a capitalized "Lord" or "LORD";
hence, Jesus is frequently referred to with a capitalized "Lord."
If someone decides to make Jesus Christ the "Lord" of one's life, that
individual makes Jesus his or her boss, manager, CEO/ chief executive
officer.
There are two components to making Jesus the CEO of one's life:
a big 'yes' to Jesus, and lots of little 'yes's thereafter.
The big 'yes' is like accepting a job offer and making another human
one's boss.
The lots of little 'yes's are like saying 'yes' often to one's human
boss's instructions and guidelines as situations and projects arise.
There is a loss of much of one's personal autonomy when someone makes
a human one's boss;
one can't simply do as one wishes, but must do what the boss directs,
if one wishes to keep one's job.
Likewise, there is a loss of much of one's personal autonomy when
someone makes Jesus one's boss;
one can't simply do as one wishes, but must seek to do what Jesus
directs, if one wishes to keep on relationally-good terms with Jesus.
Marriage presents parallels:
When one gets married, one can't simply live life as if one was still
unmarried.
When one makes Jesus the boss, the CEO, the "Lord" of one's life, one
can't simply live life as if one still had complete autonomy.
One's deciding to say 'yes' to marriage and actually saying 'yes' to
marriage during the marriage ceremony is like the big 'yes' in
deciding to make and making Jesus the boss of one's life.
Of course, marriage doesn't simply consist of saying the big 'yes'
during a marriage ceremony.
Likewise, having Jesus be one's boss doesn't simply consist of saying
that big 'yes' to making Jesus one's boss.
After the marriage ceremony, one must say lots of little 'yes's to
one's spouse if the marriage relationship is to continue.
Likewise, after the big 'yes' to making Jesus one's boss, one must say
lots of little 'yes's to Jesus if the boss-over-subordinate
relationship is to continue.
It's possible for someone that said 'yes' at a marriage ceremony and
lots of 'yes's to marriage thereafter to start saying 'no' to
continued marriage, and the marriage breaks up.
Similarly, it's possible for someone that said 'yes' to making Jesus
one's boss and lots of 'yes's to Jesus thereafter to start saying lots
of 'no's to Jesus, so much so that Jesus ceases to be one's boss. If
such a ceasing occurs, that individual no longer has Jesus as his or
her boss/ CEO/ "Lord."
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1939 Goebbels: "The Fuhrer is... completely anti-Christian."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1145975885.494352.40950%40g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
John 14 (NIV)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014;&version=31;
9 Jesus answered: ....
15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command.
An apt description of the atheist Hitler:
Psalm 10 (New International Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm%2010;&version=31;
1 [a] Why, O LORD, do you stand far off?
Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?
2 In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak,
who are caught in the schemes he devises.
3 He boasts of the cravings of his heart;
he blesses the greedy and reviles the LORD.
4 In his pride the wicked does not seek him;
in all his thoughts there is no room for God.
5 His ways are always prosperous;
he is haughty and your laws are far from him;
he sneers at all his enemies.
6 He says to himself, "Nothing will shake me;
I'll always be happy and never have trouble."
7 His mouth is full of curses and lies and threats;
trouble and evil are under his tongue.
8 He lies in wait near the villages;
from ambush he murders the innocent,
watching in secret for his victims.
9 He lies in wait like a lion in cover;
he lies in wait to catch the helpless;
he catches the helpless and drags them off in his net.
10 His victims are crushed, they collapse;
they fall under his strength.
11 He says to himself, "God has forgotten;
he covers his face and never sees."
12 Arise, LORD! Lift up your hand, O God.
Do not forget the helpless.
13 Why does the wicked man revile God?
Why does he say to himself,
"He won't call me to account"?
the question of accountability/ autonomy favors conversion to atheism
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1137184204.545825.116810%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Fredric L. Rice
>"Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1178151419.7...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>On May 2, 9:41 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>> The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
>>That's a lie. Hitler was a Catholic. Why do you continue to lie?
>Because he is a troll.
There are actually a lot of Christians who want to pretend that Adolf
Hitler wasn't a Christian. It's the only way that Christians can try
to reconcile the fact that their religion is a historically deadly one.
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Christian terrorism murders another half a million people:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/
Christopher A.Lee
Rice) wrote:
>"Ron Baker, Pluralitas!" <th...@aint.me> wrote:
>
>>"Martin Phipps" <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:1178151419.7...@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>On May 2, 9:41 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>>> The Nazis Hitler, Ley, and Bormann were atheists.
>>>That's a lie. Hitler was a Catholic. Why do you continue to lie?
>>Because he is a troll.
>
>There are actually a lot of Christians who want to pretend that Adolf
>Hitler wasn't a Christian. It's the only way that Christians can try
>to reconcile the fact that their religion is a historically deadly one.
There's more to it than that.
They have a Borg-collective mentality. They're Christians, so all
Christians think and act like they do. They wouldn't slaughter Jews,
slaughter native Americans, slaughter Muslims in crusades, slaughter
other Christian sects in the Reformation, burn heretics and witches,
keep slaves etc. So anybody who did wasn't Christian - in spite of the
documentary evidence.
And of course if they weren't Christian they must have been atheist.
They imagine atheists are the same kind of collective so telling us
the Nazis were atheists is meant to be deliberately nasty - even
though they were Catholic and Lutheran.
As a corollary, pointing out that these were actually Christian, is
mortally offensive because it means all the others in the collective
would do it as well. Including them.
Which wouldn't have been pointed out if they had the sense not to say
it in the first place.
Martin Phipps
> Hitler, Adolf. 1924/5. _Mein Kampf_, closing lines of Chapter II:
> Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna; the italics are in Manheim's
> Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement
> of her commands.
> Hence today I believe that I am acting in
> accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator:
> _by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
> for the work of the Lord._
>
> Do you think Hitler at any point ever made Jesus Christ the "Lord" of
> Hitler's life?
Yes.
> Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
> Hitler's life?
Yes.
> Do you think the adult Hitler thought the adult Hitler had Jesus
> Christ as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?
Yes.
> Do you think Goebbels thought the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the
> "Lord" of Hitler's life?
Yes.
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> On May 5, 8:56 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
[snips]
> > Do you think Goebbels thought the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the
> > "Lord" of Hitler's life?
>
> Yes.
Evidence?
Goebbels, Joseph. 1982. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1939-1941_,
translated
and edited by Fred Taylor (USA: Penguin Books), 490pp. On 76 and 77,
from the entry for 28 December 1939. Fuller text is at
http://forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=21672
The best way to deal with the churches is to claim to
be a 'positive Christian'.
==
We come back to religious questions again. The
Fuhrer is deeply religious, though completely anti-
Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of
decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race.
This can be seen in the similarity of religious rites.
Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of
contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end,
they will be destroyed.
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1943 Goebbels & Hitler agree on "the insanity of the Christian
doctrine
of redemption"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1120260213.363834.164990%40f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hitler's secular religion
duke
>Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
>Hitler's life?
Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
Michael Martin-Smith
as an adult. It is actually only mildly interesting, since it is well known
that behaviour in practice correlates very poorly with professed beliefs,non
beliefs, or religions. Good and evil are manifestations of human nature,
which has developed over a far longer period than the surface gloss of
religion or ideology.
The wise man discusses religion or ideology over coffee, but judges a
person's worth by his deeds and accomplishments, not his professions of
faith or unfaith.
It was ever thus,and, I suspect only genetic or neurobiological engineering
or change will alter matters very far- in either direction. We are too
impatient; we are a very young species, and perhaps only half formed - real
improvement will take a few thousand more generations. For this, we need
time and space - and space, as we all know, needs money, technology, a love
of adventure,-and rockets!
Michael Martin-Smith
"Christopher A.Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Mike Painter
> On May 4, 12:54 pm, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>> Hitler was an atheist.
>>> What do you mean by "used"?-- 'ruthlessly attacked'?
>>
>> So dford says Hitler was an atheist and uses quotes which talk about
>> actions against the RCC to support this claim.
>
> And you say Hitler was what?
>
> I say that the Nazi Robert Ley was an atheist who worshiped Hitler and
> Nature. Do you disagree with my characterization of Ley?
The subject is Hitler not somebody who worshipped Hitler. My father was an
atheist, does that mean that my mother was not a Catholic?
Hitler said "If you take an idol from people, you must replace it with a
true god."
Your quoting of what others said and did does not support your claim.
Your quoting of what Hitler said falsifies your claim unless you don't
believe there is a true god.
Martin Phipps
> On May 5, 11:59 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 5, 8:56 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> > > Do you think Goebbels thought the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the
> > > "Lord" of Hitler's life?
>
> > Yes.
>
> Evidence?
Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf)
Martin Phipps
> On 5 May 2007 05:56:38 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>
> >Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
> >Hitler's life?
>
> Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
That is an example of cause and effect.
Martin
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> On May 6, 12:28 am, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > On May 5, 11:59 am, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On May 5, 8:56 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>
> > [snips]
>
> > > > Do you think Goebbels thought the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the
> > > > "Lord" of Hitler's life?
>
> > > Yes.
>
> > Evidence?
>
>
> will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I
> am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to
> the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his
> culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a
> fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected
> quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.
>
> The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and
> Hitler's own words reveal his feelings for God, Christianity and
> faith. Taken from speeches made by Hitler from the 1922 to 1939.
>
> A sample of quotes from Hitler's most powerful Nazis and
> sympathizers and how they felt about Christianity, Church and God.
>
Do you think Goebbels thought in May 1943 that Hitler had Jesus Christ
as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?
Goebbels, Joseph. 1948. _The Goebbels Diaries: 1942-1943_, edited,
translated, and with an introduction by Louis P. Lochner (NY:
Doubleday & Company, Inc.), 566pp. Brackets and elisions aren't mine;
on 374-5, from the entry for 12 May 1943:
At noon I went to see the Fuehrer.
The Fuehrer has received a letter from Cardinal Bertram in which the
latter complained bitterly about the alleged suppression of the
churches. The Fuehrer intends to reply to this letter and to inform
Bertram that a large number of the Catholic clergy were assuming so
treasonable an attitude toward the war that the Cardinal had better
look after these matters, rather than gripe about conditions that the
Fuehrer, too, regrets and that he is constantly trying to remedy.
I took the position in talking with the Fuehrer that the old cardinals
of the type of Faulhaber and Bertram are much less dangerous than the
young reverends who are serving at the front as army chaplains and
even
wear the Iron Cross of the First Class. These give us much more
trouble, for they rate high with the people. They are the fighting
type and know how to talk with their war experience as background.
The
Fuehrer agreed with me. We must be somewhat on our guard about such
clerics.
[Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Munich was
internationally famed for his outspoken opposition to the
Nazi regime. Many of his boldest sermons were
circulated secretly. Several attempts on his life were
made by Nazi rowdies. Cardinal Adolf Bertram of
Breslau was the senior cardinal in Germany, and, as such,
the presiding officer of the annual Fulda Bishops'
Conference which, during the Nazi regime, issued
pastoral letters that had to be taken to the individual
parishes secretly for reading to the congregations.]
The churches have always played a dubious role during wars, at least
with us. They won't tolerate a leader going his own way, especially
if
he has a private point of view on religious matters. The Fuehrer
characterized it as nothing short of absurd that Frederick the Great,
for instance, was buried under the cupola of the Potsdam Garrison
Church, contrary to his wish to be interred beside his dogs in the
park
of Sans Souci. Thank God, English air raids have compelled us to end
this condition. The coffin of Frederick the Great has been placed
where it is safe from bombs. The Fuehrer will never restore it to the
Potsdam Garrison Church. Either an imposing mausoleum in Greek style
is to be built for Frederick the Great in the park of Sans Souci, or
he
is to be laid to rest in the great Soldiers' Hall of a new War
Ministry
yet to be constructed. Personally I should prefer that the wish of
the
great king be fulfilled and that he be given his last resting place in
Sans Souci. The Fuehrer, too, rather inclines to this view. But
these
are problems that we shall have to face only on the morrow.
The Fuehrer spoke very derogatorily about the arrogance of the higher
and lower clergy. The insanity of the Christian doctrine of
redemption
really doesn't fit at all into our time. Nevertheless there are
learned, educated men, occupying high positions in public life, who
cling to it with the faith of a child. It is simply incomprehensible
how anybody can consider the Christian doctrine of redemption as a
guide for the difficult life of today. The Fuehrer cited a number of
exceptionally drastic and in part even grotesque examples. The
opinionated "sky pilots" of course know exactly how the world is
constituted. Whereas the most learned and wisest scientists struggle
for a whole lifetime to study but one of the mysterious laws of
nature,
a little country priest from Bavaria is in a position to decide this
matter on the basis of his religious knowledge. One can regard such a
disgusting performance only with disdain. A church that does not keep
step with modern scientific knowledge is doomed. It may take quite a
while, but it is bound finally to happen. Anybody who is firmly
rooted
in daily life, and who can only faintly imagine the mystic secrets of
nature, will naturally be extremely modest about the universe. The
clerics, however, who have not caught a breath of such modesty,
evidence a sovereign opinionated attitude toward questions of the
universe....
The Fuehrer showed that he had read about and studied all these
problems. There is hardly a fact, hardly a theory, hardly a date,
that
he doesn't know and that he isn't able to cite from memory. I have
the
greatest respect for the Fuehrer's tremendous intellectual achievement
in all fields of knowledge. It is a pity that such talks can't be
made
known to a lot of people. Their veneration for the Fuehrer could only
be increased thereby.
The Fuehrer is an enthusiastic advocate of pure science.... It was a
great mistake that we failed to win science over to support the new
state. That men such as Planck are reserved, to put it mildly, in
their attitude toward us, is the fault of Rust and is irremediable.
It
makes one sad to think that the Fuehrer is so tremendously interested
in the tasks and researches of science, and yet our research men and
scientists do not realize this because they don't know it. The
mediocre talents in the Reich Government are a wall between the
Fuehrer
and many sec-tors of public life. That is true of science, it is true
of administration, it is true of justice, and of many other things.
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Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/47c284defb4765dd?
Hitler encounters the T0E: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/e9b71ae73bcf99a3?
Dawkins & Hitler observation re: conflicting religions
http://groups.google.co.in/group/talk.origins/msg/939d21b69b475095?
"[Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Munich was internationally famed
for his outspoken opposition to the Nazi regime. ....Cardinal Adolf
Bertram"
any atheists against Terri Schindler Schiavo's being starved to death?
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-3adrlvF69l60hU1%40individual.net
Martin Phipps
Yes.
Martin
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
> On May 6, 7:46 pm, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
> > Do you think Goebbels thought in May 1943 that Hitler had Jesus Christ
> > as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?
>
> Yes.
[snip Martin's URLs]
1 of 2. Do you think Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
Hitler's life when Hitler said this?:
Hitler. Cited in
Heiden, Konrad. 1944. _Der Fuehrer: Hitler's Rise to Power_,
translated almost entirely by Ralph Manheim, with Norbert Guterman
translating the last chapter and part of the prior chapter (Boston:
Houghton Mifflin Company), 788pp. Heiden also wrote _A History of
National Socialism_. On 758:
Germany is our God on this earth.
2 of 2. Do you think Ley had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of Ley's life
in March 1939?
The Nazi Robert Ley was an atheism-adherent who worshiped Hitler and
Nature:
a claim: Hitler was a Christian
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1131389424.486586.51840%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
31 March 1939 Robert Ley
Hitler and an Ethical Culture person on 'God'
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=dford3-1136317045.783426.125490%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[Ley]"Our god is the wonderful law of creation"
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu
have Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?:
> On 5 May 2007 05:56:38 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>
> >Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
> >Hitler's life?
>
> Probably as a child.
Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
"Greatest" in terms of what-- sheer body count?
Hitler: 5 to 6 million 'Jews,' plus 9 to 10 million others.
Stalin: I don't know. 682,000 people during 1937-8.
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Marxist-Leninist atheism-adherents responsible for the killing of 94+
million
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1167099703.362978.48000%40i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
factoids on atheism-adherent Stalin's 1937-8 Great Terror
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1166240537.094725.53530%40l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com
atheism-adherents killed 200k+ Russian Orthodox clergy;
1913 Lenin: "every religious idea, every idea of
God...is...vileness...'contagion'"
http://groups.google.co.in/groups?selm=1175046925.369909.39320%40y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
> duke, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
Darwin: [Greg]"the careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies
like rabbits"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1135088486.532238.194930%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Hitler; Darwin: "the evil which the Catholic Church has thus effected
is incalculable"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1134662154.179171.232450%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
_Kulturkampf_ Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1132328969.527097.241300%40o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com
resistance to Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1146158953.142022.188680%40u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com
Nazi concentration camps
for Catholics and Protestants
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1129228612.176548.107730%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
Churches resisted Hitler
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1128561942.412167.145530%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
the hoax of the 'Dark Ages'
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1133797608.826492.305030%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
[Wolfe in _The New Republic_]"She [O'Hair] was dictatorial,
irresponsible, racist, overbearing, corrupt, anti-Semitic,
homophobic,
anti-Catholic, and at times criminal. .... this crudely
embarrassing
atheist [i.e. O'Hair]"
[O'Hair to her father]"the Jews in big business are running this
country into the ground."
[O'Hair to her son William, after slapping him hard in the
face]"Listen, kid, the United States of America is nothing more than a
fascist slave labor camp run by a handful of Jew bankers in New York
City."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39rvm4F63q0jrU1%40individual.net
how did the human conscience originate?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1167791215.036777.131020%40s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Martin Phipps
> On May 5, 2:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in Re: did Hitler
> have Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?:
>
> > On 5 May 2007 05:56:38 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>
> > >Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
> > >Hitler's life?
>
> > Probably as a child.
>
> Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheismhttp://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%...
>
> > But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
>
> "Greatest" in terms of what-- sheer body count?
>
> Hitler: 5 to 6 million 'Jews,' plus 9 to 10 million others.
Raised as an altar boy.
> Stalin: I don't know. 682,000 people during 1937-8.
Went to seminary school.
Let's not forget the crusades, the jihads, the Spanish Inquistion, the
Hundred Years War, the Franco-Prussian War, ethnic cleansing, suicide
bombings, 9/11, the Salem Witch Trials or George W. Bush's invasion of
Iraq.
Martin
DanielSan
> On May 5, 2:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in Re: did Hitler
> have Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?:
>
>>On 5 May 2007 05:56:38 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
>>>Hitler's life?
>>
>>Probably as a child.
>
>
> Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
Many (if not most) Christians acknowledge Evolution as a fact. Atheism
is not synonymous with evolution.
FOAD.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*-----------------------------------------------------*
* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
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Free Lunch
dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote in
<1178454327.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>:
>On May 5, 2:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in Re: did Hitler
>have Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of Hitler's life?:
>> On 5 May 2007 05:56:38 -0700, dfo...@gl.umbc.edu wrote:
>>
>> >Do you think the adult Hitler had Jesus Christ as the "Lord" of
>> >Hitler's life?
>>
>> Probably as a child.
>
>Hitler encounters the T0E as a child: A Victory for Atheism
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118403178.860854.170600%40g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>Stalin encounters the T0E in seminary: A Victory for Atheism
>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1118511187.489582.241590%40g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
You know that you are offering a totally false argument here. You've
been corrected in the past, yet seem proud to be offering the same lies
today. Why is that? What taught you to be such an immoral prig?
You and Duke both rely on falsehoods to sell your doctrines, yet your
falsehoods show that you both are willing to betray the god you claim to
worship.
duke
>> Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
>That is an example of cause and effect.
Yeah, he turned on God then became a mass murderer.
DanielSan
> On 6 May 2007 01:14:51 -0700, Martin Phipps <martin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
>>
>>That is an example of cause and effect.
>
>
> Yeah, he turned on God then became a mass murderer.
>
Unless God told him to kill those people...as Jesus commanded in Luke.
However, you don't know God; you just talk to yourself.
duke
>>>>Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
>>>That is an example of cause and effect.
>> Yeah, he turned on God then became a mass murderer.
>Unless God told him to kill those people...as Jesus commanded in Luke.
God didn't. We know that for a fact.
>However, you don't know God; you just talk to yourself.
No, I talk to God. YOU talk to yourself.
DanielSan
> On Sun, 06 May 2007 14:16:35 -0800, DanielSan <danie...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
>>>>
>>>>That is an example of cause and effect.
>>>
>>>Yeah, he turned on God then became a mass murderer.
>>
>>Unless God told him to kill those people...as Jesus commanded in Luke.
>
>
> God didn't. We know that for a fact.
Actually, you do not.
>
>
>>However, you don't know God; you just talk to yourself.
>
>
> No, I talk to God. YOU talk to yourself.
You only think you're talking to God.
Martin Phipps
> On 6 May 2007 01:14:51 -0700, Martin Phipps <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
> >That is an example of cause and effect.
>
Fixed.
Martin
Martin Phipps
> On Sun, 06 May 2007 14:16:35 -0800, DanielSan <daniel-...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >>>>Probably as a child. But then he grew into the world's greatest mass murderer.
> >>>That is an example of cause and effect.
> >> Yeah, he turned on God then became a mass murderer.
> >Unless God told him to kill those people...as Jesus commanded in Luke.
>
> God didn't. We know that for a fact.
We know that God doesn't command anything because we know God doesn't
exist. But Hitler was following the example set by the Bible
nevertheless.
"And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with
saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes..." (I Chronicles 20:3)
"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD
was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all
the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the
sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from
Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)
"And Gideon said, Therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and
Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will tear your flesh with the thorns
of the wilderness and with briers" (Judges 8:7)
"But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of
such a one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will
bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths
of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine
enemies,
and the tongue of thy dogs in the same." (Psalms 68:21-23)
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death;
because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your
God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter,
or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul,
entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which
thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)
"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall
thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou
conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be
first
upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the
people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)
"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge
of
the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the
cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from
Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they
have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and
suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)
"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them
under
saws, and under harrows of iron, and under the axes of iron, and made
them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities
of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto
Jerusalem." (II Samuel 12:31)
"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of
Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor,
and
there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore
kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath
known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have
not
known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers
31:16-18)
"Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer
in
her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his
temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and
weary. So he died." (Judges 4:21)
"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that
is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also
shall
be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled,
and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)
"And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the
men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none
to remain." (Deuteronomy 2:34)
"And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon,
utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But
all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to
ourselves." (Deuteronomy 3:6-7)
"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through
the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and
woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at
my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before
the
house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)
"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and
woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of
the
sword." (Joshua 6:21)
"Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which
ye
shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon
the
hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their
altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and
ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the
names of them out of that place." (Deuteronomy 12:2-3)
"The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance. He shall
wash
his feet in the blood of the wicked." (Psalms 58:10)
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