Re: Did Moses Exist?

[Viktor Tandofsky]

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:37:33 PM UTC-7, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> https://www.gotquestions.org/did-Moses-exist.html


"Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic period, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific groups among these peoples."[79]
In addition to the Judeo-Roman or Judeo-Hellenic historians Artapanus, Eupolemus, Josephus, and Philo, a few non-Jewish historians including Hecataeus of Abdera (quoted by Diodorus Siculus), Alexander Polyhistor, Manetho, Apion, Chaeremon of Alexandria, Tacitus and Porphyry also make reference to him. The extent to which any of these accounts rely on earlier sources is unknown.[80] Moses also appears in other religious texts such as the Mishnah (c. 200 CE), Midrash (200–1200 CE),[81] and the Quran (c. 610–653).[citation needed]
The figure of Osarseph in Hellenistic historiography is a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh and is finally expelled from Egypt, changing his name to Moses.[82]
Hecataeus
The earliest existing reference to Moses in Greek literature occurs in the Egyptian history of Hecataeus of Abdera (4th century BCE). All that remains of his description of Moses are two references made by Diodorus Siculus, wherein, writes historian Arthur Droge, he "describes Moses as a wise and courageous leader who left Egypt and colonized Judaea."[83] Among the many accomplishments described by Hecataeus, Moses had founded cities, established a temple and religious cult, and issued laws:
After the establishment of settled life in Egypt in early times, which took place, according to the mythical account, in the period of the gods and heroes, the first... to persuade the multitudes to use written laws was Mneves [Moses], a man not only great of soul but also in his life the most public-spirited of all lawgivers whose names are recorded.[83]
Droge also points out that this statement by Hecataeus was similar to statements made subsequently by Eupolemus.[83]"

[John Locke]

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
<vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.gotquestions.org/did-Moses-exist.html

>Did Moses Exist?
>
..no, Moses is a fictional character. How many times do we have
to explain this to you ??

Leading archaeologist says Old testament stories are fiction
https://tinyurl.com/a66z58y8
ABRAHAM, Jacob, Moses, King David, and King Solomon in all his
splendour, never existed, a 15-year study of archaeological evidence
has concluded.

The study - by Professor Thomas Thompson, one of the world's foremost
authorities on biblical archaeology - says that the first 10 books of
the Old Testament are almost certainly fiction, written between 500
and 1,500 years after the events they purport to describe.




--and yet another evil quote from the heinous Book of Babble---------

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their
fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not
seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether
small or great, whether man or woman. Chronicles 15
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[Viktor Tandofsky]

Strabo, a Greek historian, geographer and philosopher, in his Geographica (c. 24 CE), wrote in detail about Moses, whom he considered to be an Egyptian who deplored the situation in his homeland, and thereby attracted many followers who respected the deity. He writes, for example, that Moses opposed the picturing of the deity in the form of man or animal, and was convinced that the deity was an entity which encompassed everything – land and sea:[89]
35. An Egyptian priest named Moses, who possessed a portion of the country called the Lower Egypt, being dissatisfied with the established institutions there, left it and came to Judaea with a large body of people who worshipped the Divinity. He declared and taught that the Egyptians and Africans entertained erroneous sentiments, in representing the Divinity under the likeness of wild beasts and cattle of the field; that the Greeks also were in error in making images of their gods after the human form. For God [said he] may be this one thing which encompasses us all, land and sea, which we call heaven, or the universe, or the nature of things....
36. By such doctrine Moses persuaded a large body of right-minded persons to accompany him to the place where Jerusalem now stands....[90]
In Strabo's writings of the history of Judaism as he understood it, he describes various stages in its development: from the first stage, including Moses and his direct heirs; to the final stage where "the Temple of Jerusalem continued to be surrounded by an aura of sanctity." Strabo's "positive and unequivocal appreciation of Moses' personality is among the most sympathetic in all ancient literature."[91] His portrayal of Moses is said to be similar to the writing of Hecataeus who "described Moses as a man who excelled in wisdom and courage."[91]
Egyptologist Jan Assmann concludes that Strabo was the historian "who came closest to a construction of Moses' religion as monotheistic and as a pronounced counter-religion." It recognized "only one divine being whom no image can represent... [and] the only way to approach this god is to live in virtue and in justice."[92]

[hhya...@gmail.com]

With his power in hand, why should Moses be dead then and could not be found today just like the non-existent pixie????

[Mitchell Holman]

Viktor Tandofsky <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9bd2e226-e5f6-4324...@googlegroups.com:

Strabo was writing about someone who lived
a THOUSAND years before he did.

Citing a legend to prove a legend doesn't
work.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:54:41 -0700, John Locke
<johnnyd...@demonmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
><vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>https://www.gotquestions.org/did-Moses-exist.html
>
>>Did Moses Exist?

Once again, Mad Joes wipes his same old bullshit in our faces.

>..no, Moses is a fictional character. How many times do we have
>to explain this to you ??
>
>Leading archaeologist says Old testament stories are fiction
>https://tinyurl.com/a66z58y8
>ABRAHAM, Jacob, Moses, King David, and King Solomon in all his
>splendour, never existed, a 15-year study of archaeological evidence
>has concluded.
>
>The study - by Professor Thomas Thompson, one of the world's foremost
>authorities on biblical archaeology - says that the first 10 books of
>the Old Testament are almost certainly fiction, written between 500
>and 1,500 years after the events they purport to describe.

He knows.

[Michelle Malkin]

Moses wasn't supposed to be a god. He wasn't immortal.
And his godthing was a cranky, murderous idiot due to the
people who created it.

[hhya...@gmail.com]

I know that, but not those story writers and the believers!
Why should someone with the power to part water channel not able to use the same magic power to make himself immortal???
It is against the logic...

[Ted]

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 15:37:32 -0700 (PDT), Viktor Tandofsky
<vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.gotquestions.org/did-Mosesl
> -exist.html


Answer: no. Moses is a myth. Exodus never happened. That's
established fact.

[Michelle Malkin]

According to the myth, it was just a temporary power his godthing gave him.
Moses didn't really have any magical powers in the myth. His temporary
powers were meant to impress or kill people. His godthing really sucked,
just like the people that created it to be that way.

[Michelle Malkin]

Right, but you have to write about the myths in a way the believers
understand. If they are dumb enough to take that as actual belief,
they are only showing their own ignorance.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:46:44 -0700 (PDT), Michelle Malkin
<malkinmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 5:02:15 AM UTC-4, hhya...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 1:07:09 PM UTC+8, malkinmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 9:20:40 PM UTC-4, hhya...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 6:52:43 AM UTC+8, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 3:37:33 PM UTC-7, Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
>> > > > > https://www.gotquestions.org/did-Moses-exist.html
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "Non-biblical writings about Jews, with references to the
>> > > > role of Moses, first appear at the beginning of the Hellenistic
>> > > > period, from 323 BCE to about 146 BCE. Shmuel notes that "a
>> > > > characteristic of this literature is the high honour in which it
>> > > > holds the peoples of the East in general and some specific
>> > > > groups among these peoples."[79]

Is the certifiable loony still touting this nonsense? It was the first
of his long list of supposed "evidence" - but it's at least a
thousand years after the supposed events. The authors would have
simply been repeating Jewish tradition.

Which hardly gives any reason to read the rest of it.

Like far too many apologists, he imagines that a whole pile of
stinking ordure makes up for not having a single piece of actual
evidence that can be defended as such under scrutiny.

If he actually had one, he would have provided it instead. Or at least
it would have been at the top of the list.

[..]

>> > > With his power in hand, why should Moses be dead then and could
>> > > not be found today just like the non-existent pixie????

I wish you'd both format your responses properly.

>> > Moses wasn't supposed to be a god. He wasn't immortal.
>> > And his godthing was a cranky, murderous idiot due to the
>> > people who created it.

Moses Hightower? Ed Moses?

>> I know that, but not those story writers and the believers!
>
>> Why should someone with the power to part water channel not able to
>> use the same magic power to make himself immortal???
>> It is against the logic...

Ever been to Universal Studios?

>According to the myth, it was just a temporary power his godthing gave him.
>Moses didn't really have any magical powers in the myth. His temporary
>powers were meant to impress or kill people. His godthing really sucked,
>just like the people that created it to be that way.

But he has faith that the story is fact, because it's his religion. So
he claims he doesn't have to prove it - so why the heck does he keep
repeating the same nonsensical attempts to do just that?

[John Locke]

...probably trying to reinforce his own nagging doubts.

--and yet another evil quote from the heinous Book of Babble---------

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders
to kill everyone there, including women and children. This is what
you are to do: "Completely destroy all the males and every woman
who is not a virgin" Judges 21
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[Cloud Hobbit]

He's a devout propagandist.

There are no gods unless we create them.

[Michelle Malkin]

ArtieJoe knows he isn't convincing anyone. He's known that for years.
He's basically just a plain old annoyance troll. He enjoys upsetting and
angering people because that gives him a feeling of power. But then
he gets angry himself when someone disagrees with him about
anything, so he starts his whole act all over again. Except that, he
really is a malignant narcissist, so it isn't completely an act.

[hhya...@gmail.com]

Yes...
If his Moses could part water, he would be still alive today!!!!!!!