"Don't Blame Faith, this was murder" - President Obama tells it straight
fasgnadh
"President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
- Herald Sun 12/11/2009
AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
...
"This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
"No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
"No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
met with justice - in this world, and the next."
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Olrik
Eunometic
> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>
> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
So if a lone White guy did it, statistically vastly more numerous, it
warrants hate crime legislation or at least extremely close
examination of his connections if even a single person of colour is
killed.
If a muslim who told his neighbours he was 'going to do good work for
allah' and then shouts "alli akbar" as he shoots 44 people its not
religiously motivated? FFS they guy was in contact with Islamacist
clerics.
Just another inconsitant troll post.
Blind Diversity Equals Death
http://www.vdare.com/malkin/091110_blind_diversity.htm
3000 muslims in the US Army and 3 known fragging incidents.
>
> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
Obama is a liar and was called as much in the senate. He is creating
his health care legislation; all well and good. Senate leaders wanted
to make sure that the health care wouldn't be extended to illegal
(mexican) immigrants. Obama told them it wouldn't but he lied by
placing loop holes everywhere to cater for the illegals who now
branzenly march in america under the mexican flag demanding their
'rights'.
Obamamania will fool a sheeple for a while.
abelard
<euno...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>On Nov 12, 7:54�am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>> � � - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>
>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>
>So if a lone White guy did it, statistically vastly more numerous, it
>warrants hate crime legislation or at least extremely close
>examination of his connections if even a single person of colour is
>killed.
obarmy is a marxist....
the end justifies the means...
obarmy is a racist...
"I don�t know � not having been there and not seeing all the facts �
what role race played in that, but I think it�s fair to say, number
one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two that he Cambridge
police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already
proof that they were in their own home," obarmy
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Surfer
wrote:
>
>"President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>
>AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>
Stressed out people sometimes lose the ability to be fully logical. If
they are in a somewhat dissociated state they may experience thoughts
that justify killing and completely fail to see that what they are
thinking of doing is not only wrong, but also not in their own
interest.
>
>"This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>"No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>
That is completely correct.
But since the killer made no attempt to conceal his actions, he
probably wasn't able to understand that they would be judged as wrong.
Eddie Haskell
"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
news:j8emf5tqbirbphdte...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:19:38 -0800 (PST), Eunometic
> <euno...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 12, 7:54 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>>
>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>
>>So if a lone White guy did it, statistically vastly more numerous, it
>>warrants hate crime legislation or at least extremely close
>>examination of his connections if even a single person of colour is
>>killed.
>
> obarmy is a marxist....
> the end justifies the means...
> obarmy is a racist...
>
> what role race played in that, but I think it's fair to say, number
> one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two that he Cambridge
> police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already
> proof that they were in their own home," obarmy
The evidence mounts..
"Typical white person"
-Hussein
"Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself."
-Hussein
Hussein's associations:
Rev. Wright, whose church Obama attended and supported financially for over
20 years:
"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is
controlled by rich white people."
Rev. Lowery, hand picked by Hussein to deliver the inaugural benediction:
"Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in
the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when
black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around, when
yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white
will embrace what is right."
Sonia Sotomayor, Hussein's pick for the SC:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences
would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who
hasn't lived that life."
From Hussein's book:
"White man's greed runs a world in need."
Prof. Gates, anti-white racist who Obama says is a friend of his.
Obama advisor Van Jones:
"Only Suburban White Kids Shoot Up Schools"
"You've never seen a Columbine done by a black child"
"White polluters steered poison into minority communities"
-Eddie Haskell
Richo
> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
I dont think real life is ever as "plain and simple" as we imagine.
The guy was deeply disturbed.
Obviously his faith couldnt help him here.
Its all very sad - and I dont want to use it like its a "score" for
"my side".
Mark.
AZ Nomad
>On Nov 12, 8:09?am, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
>I dont think real life is ever as "plain and simple" as we imagine.
>The guy was deeply disturbed.
>Obviously his faith couldnt help him here.
It helped him insulate himself from the suffering he caused and to
rationalize his actions.
There is no behavior so heinous or bizzare that it can't be
rationalized in the mind of a believer.
Surfer
<euno...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>If a muslim who told his neighbours he was 'going to do good work for
>allah' and then shouts "alli akbar" as he shoots 44 people its not
>religiously motivated?
>
Well, perhaps Hasan's real purpose was to illustrate what he believed
Islamism to be.
There is an interesting slide here, that he presented.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA2009111000920.html?sid=ST2009110903704
Olrik
> On Nov 12, 8:09 am, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
>
> I dont think real life is ever as "plain and simple" as we imagine.
Indeed. But I was replying to fasgnadh, so nuance was out of the question!
;-)
Olrik
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> Re: Merrill Johnson, Emily's grandad, thinks Leonardo and Malcum Fabian
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> Merrill Johnson said that he is real happy that Emily divorced the
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> Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
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> Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
>
> helpi...@gmail.com
> fes...@wn.apc.org
> nextsapr...@gmail.com
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> /'/ / / /" /_\
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> helpi...@gmail.com
> fes...@wn.apc.org
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> /'_'/' '/'__'7,
> /'/ / / /" /_\
> ('( ' /' ')
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> '\' _.7'
> \ (
> \ \
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> Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
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> helpi...@gmail.com
> fes...@wn.apc.org
> nextsapr...@gmail.com
> in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
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> /'/ / / /" /_\
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> \ (
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> Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
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> helpi...@gmail.com
> fes...@wn.apc.org
> nextsapr...@gmail.com
> in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
> politic...@googlegroups.com
> arah...@gmail.com
> islamwa...@googlegroups.com
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> Skitskin moslem CA Fabian, 5 Pfeiffer Close, Mt Barker, 5251, South
> Australia, +61 8 8391 1292
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> 이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 -
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> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ab8hlafT770nZGR6cHZqOThfMHhwY2szYmc0&hl=en
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> Hamzeh Abu-Abed
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> arah...@gmail.com
> islamwa...@googlegroups.com
> furti...@gmail.com
> Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au
>
> Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad
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> ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)› Did you know? - bestiality is entrenched in the mozlim
> cult - even the false profit mohammed had his harem of favourite goats
> and camels. ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)› __
>
> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ab8hlafT770nZGR6cHZqOThfMHhwY2szYmc0&hl=en
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> الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الش
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> mehya...@hotmail.com
> kaled...@gmail.com
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> BREAKING NEWS - Emily Fabian (aka Em, Millie, Jinan) is now officially
> an apostate and Divorcee - see attached photo of Emily without the
> beekeepers suite - she just couldn't stomach Leonardo Fabian's
> preference to bestiality. - Call Emily Fabian +1-(801) 471-5425, or
> email ja_tu_...@hotmail.com to hear more about her ex-husbands
> backward mohammadan family -
> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ab8hlafT770nZGR6cHZqOThfMHhwY2szYmc0&hl=en
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‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›
Skitskin moslem CA Fabian, 5 Pfeiffer Close, Mt Barker, 5251, South
Australia, +61 8 8391 1292
이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 -
الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج
‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›
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Hamzeh Abu-Abed
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politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au
Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad
** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan **
http://www.link.net
Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
Fastlink, Jordan
‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)› Did you know? - bestiality is entrenched in the mozlim
cult - even the false profit mohammed had his harem of favourite goats
and camels. ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)› __
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ab8hlafT770nZGR6cHZqOThfMHhwY2szYmc0&hl=en
الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الش
mehya...@hotmail.com
kaled...@gmail.com
BREAKING NEWS - Emily Fabian (aka Em, Millie, Jinan) is now officially
an apostate and Divorcee - see attached photo of Emily without the
beekeepers suite - she just couldn't stomach Leonardo Fabian's
preference to bestiality. - Call Emily Fabian +1-(801) 471-5425, or
email ja_tu_...@hotmail.com to hear more about her ex-husbands
backward mohammadan family -
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ab8hlafT770nZGR6cHZqOThfMHhwY2szYmc0&hl=en
Escape_the_Cult_Now
> Well, perhaps Hasan's real purpose was to illustrate what he believed
> Islamism to be.
>
Hasan was a typical rightist. A right wing religious fundamentalist.
With the recent massacre by a right wing fundamentalist Muslim US Army Major,
the shooting in the Holocaust museum by a right wing white supremacist and the
Tiller murder, rightists all over the country have been crying out for more
bloodshed because they simply cannot accept the fact that a non white is
President and his Chief of Staff is Jewish.
Homeland security warned us that rightists would fly out of control and the
recent arrest of Hal Turner for uttering death threats and encouraging his
followers (right wing NeoNazis) to commit murder, along with the aformentioned
right wing terrorist attacks on innocent American citizens, reminds us that they
were correct in their analysis. Will the Obama era be like the Clinton era,
where though the attack by radical right wing Islamics was met with punishment
of the perpetrators and no further attacks on American soil against citizens
until Bush dropped the ball on 9/11/2001, the primary concern for American
safety in the 1990s were the right wing militias, mass murderers like Tim
McVeigh, Olympic stadium bomber Eric Rudolph and the Unabomber, all right
wingers who spent their days attacking their fellow citizens because they were
filled with hate of all things centrist and left. Add the Westboro Baptist
Church, the American Nazi Party, The KKK and National Vanguard, and you have a
cess pool of right wing maniacs ready to kill, kill, kill. And thanks to
Bush's permissive gun laws, they're armed to the teeth and ready.
The right have destroyed this country, left its economy in a shambles and are
doing nothing to fix it but obstruct the efforts of good men to help.
The recent murders are more proof of the festering, ugly bitterness of the
right. Sore losers and nobodies with nothing to offer as a fix for the
destroyed Bush economy but pathetic whining and bellyaching.
Like all rightists these days, fat lazy white GOP trash are self loathing
defeatist and is having a melt down over Obama's popularity and success. It is
obvious that the defeatist right want Obama to fail and the USA to burn, they're
angry that Obama is undoing all the damaged caused by Bush and the
Republicans. They're angry that McCain was crushed in the election, proving
that the right is no longer relevant in American politics or
business. They're angry that McCain failed and didn't get a chance to continue
Bush's looting of the treasury, giving to the rich as gifts. They're angry that
they didn't get to see this country burn. Rightists are for big government.
Bush expanded government by over 30% before his
first term ended. Fiscally irresponsible Republicans have almost destroyed
America.
All they can do now is continue their vain efforts to obstruct the recovery,
recovery from the damage they have caused. Some, including
NeoCon David Frum, say that there will not be a republican house majority or a
republican president for the next 20 years. Apt punishment for their
seditious, greedy behavior.
The 2000 book, Right-Wing Populism in America, details its history from Bacon's
Rebellion to the Ku Klux Klan to the modern-day Posse Comitatus and
militia/Patriot movements. What distinguishes these populists from their left-
wing counterparts, as Berlet explains, is that "they combine attacks on socially
oppressed groups with grassroots mass mobilization and
distorted forms of antielitism based on scapegoating." Other notorious right
wing figures in 20th century history include Father Charles Coughlin, the rabid
anti-Semitic radio talker of the 1930s, and Sen. Joe
McCarthy.
Beyond the Klan, there were the Silver Shirts, the American Nazi Party, the
Posse Comitatus, the Aryan Nations, or the National Alliance -- all of them
openly right wing fascist organizations, many of them involved in some of the
nation's most horrific historical events. (The Oklahoma City
bombing, for instance), then there was William Dudley Pelley, Gerald L.K.Smith,
George Lincoln Rockwell, William Potter Gale, Richard Butler, and David Duke --
all of them bona fide right wing racists and fascists.
Richo
> Richo wrote:
> > On Nov 12, 8:09 am, Olrik <olrik...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
>
> > I dont think real life is ever as "plain and simple" as we imagine.
>
> Indeed. But I was replying to fasgnadh, so nuance was out of the question!
>
> ;-)
>
> Olrik
>
Fair comment.
Mark.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>
>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>
>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
killing each other.
The US congressional inquiry into 9/11 was told, EXPLICITLY,
that it was not about religion, but political:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
Where's your proof?
If nutjobs like Steve Knight and Trance Stupor kill theists
and shit down their throats.. IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM,
then is atheism to blame, or the BAAWA Militant Atheist nutjobs?
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Think very carefully about your answer, because while 9one
random individual killed 13 people, over 70,000,000 people
were killed by atheist tyrants, in the explicit name of
atheist policies;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
Olrik
> Olrik wrote:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
>
> Where's your proof?
"Fort Hood army officer shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before shooting rampage"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-alive
Phil
news:fnNKm.54223$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
> # instead of the family.
> #
> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
> o.jpg #
> #
> # "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
> # - Daniel Peris,
> # "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant
> Godless" # Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
> #
> #
> # "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
> # countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
> # Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
> # Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
> # promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
> # - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
> # Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
> #
> # In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
> # intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>
>
...Poida, Poida, Poida Guano Wilks...seriously now dude...its been a
decade at least...when WILL you accept the TRUTH ???...bet you're missing
Sir Johnny now...please understand...there are forces beyond your control
and comprehension...don't feel bad...just create your local chapter of
the Australian Conservative Party, or the Australian Nationalist
Party...but just be cool and expect the unexpected...after all...you've
known me all this time, and have I EVER been wrong ???...
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>
>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>
>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
killing each other.
The US congressional inquiry into 9/11 was told, EXPLICITLY,
that it was not about religion, but political:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
If nutjobs like Steve Knight and Trance Stupor kill theists
and shit down their throats.. IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM,
then is atheism to blame, or the BAAWA Militant Atheist nutjobs?
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Think very carefully about your answer, because while 9one
random individual killed 13 people, over 70,000,000 people
were killed by atheist tyrants, in the explicit name of
atheist policies;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
Olrik wrote:
"Blame Faith, this was war" - World tells it straight
Where's your proof that this was an act of WAR?
It was a criminal act by one man.
Which nation will the USA attack in response?
Iraq, again???? They had nothing to do with 9/11 and
no links with Al Qaeda till Bush's invasion gave them
an opportunity to infiltrate and kill westerners there.
Bush's War on Terror has been a failure, just like the War on Drugs.
Working WITH Muslims in Indoensia has been far more effective,
Jemaah Islamiyah operatives responsible for the Bali Bombing
have all been caufght, tried and executed.. their organisation
is largely destroyed.. BY MUSLIMS! 8^o
Yet the Bush Bigots have let Osama escape, the Taliban are
still active in Afghanistan, and Iraq, the major opponent
of Shiite Iran is now in the hands of Shiites...
the "Hate all Muslims" STRATEGY IS A MASSIVE FAILURE!
It's time to get SMART, not STUPID ANGRY!
fasgnadh
> Richo wrote:
>> Olrik runs the Bush propaganda line:
>>
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>>>
>>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>>>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>>>
>>>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
>>>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>>>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
killing each other.
The US congressional inquiry into 9/11 was told, EXPLICITLY,
that it was not about religion, but political:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
When Henry VIII formed a new church so he could divorce his wife,
it was political, not religious.
When the IRA were bombing pubs that British soldiers
frequented, it was political, not religious.
It can be made to LOOK religious, because the occupation
was by protestant Britain, and the occupied were Catholic
Irish, and so much of the troop rallying on both sides would
be couched in religious terms..but it was about freedom and
independence.. not religion.
Catholics don't blow up protestants in my town, and Muslims
don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
So it's not a religious conflict.
As the foremost authority on suicide bombing, Professor Robert Pape
has clearly shown;
-------
"In Lebanon in the 1980s, of 41 suicide attackers from
Hezbollah 1982- 1986, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists.
Twenty-seven were Communists and Socialists. Three were Christians,
one of which was a Christian high school teacher with a B.A.
If RELIGION is the critical factor, how come we have three
Christian suicide bombers, and a majority of SECULAR suicide
bombers?
Clearly Islamic fundamentalism is not the root cause.
Something else is."
- "Dying To Win" Professor Robert Pape
"Mohammed Khan the ringleader of the London bombings of 7/7
declared clearly in his martyrdom video that his central
motive was "to punish Britain for atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan,
and other Muslim nations"
Hussein Osma, July 21 would-be bomber said in his interrogation;
'This was not about religion, this was about Iraq, we watched
videos of western military atrocities in Iraq'" - Pape, "Dying to Win"
Prof Robert Pape, a distinguished academic whose work has been
funded by the Pentagon, and whose views are so respected
by the US Military that he taught at Dartmouth and 'air power
strategy' at the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower Studies,
conducted the ONLY study of the MOTIVATION of suicide bombers,
and thus he doesn't GUESS like Bush did, he UNDERSTANDS
what THE BOMBERS say are their reasons!!!
"The evidence shows that the presence of American troops
is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism."
"A study by University of Chicago political scientist
Robert Pape of 462 suicide-terrorist attacks between
1980 and 2004 worldwide found the overwhelming reason
for the attacks was a clear political objective and
in more than 95 per cent of the cases the "central
objective" was the eviction of foreign troops.
"Before our invasion, Iraq never had a suicide-terrorist
attack in its history. Never. Since our invasion,
suicide terrorism has been escalating rapidly with 20
attacks in 2003, 48 in 2004, and over 50 in just the
first five months of 2005. Every year that the United
States has stationed 150,000 combat troops in Iraq,
suicide terrorism has doubled."
The Bush administration knows this, but avoids the truth;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
"Robert A. Pape is Professor of Political Science at the University of
Chicago specializing in international security affairs. His publications
include Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (Random
House 2005); Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War (Cornell
1996), "Why Economic Sanctions Do Not Work," International Security
(1997), "The Determinants of International Moral Action," International
Organization (1999); "The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism,"
American Political Science Review (2003); and "Soft Balancing against
the United States," International Security (2005). His commentary on
international security policy has appeared in The New York Times,
Washington Post, New Republic, Boston Globe, Los Angeles Times, and
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, as well as on Nightline, ABC News, CBS
News, CNN, Fox News, and National Public Radio. Before coming to Chicago
in 1999, he taught international relations at Dartmouth College for five
years and air power strategy for the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower
Studies for three years. He received his Ph. D. from the University of
Chicago in 1988 and graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from
the University of Pittsburgh in 1982. His current work focuses on the
causes of suicide terrorism and the politics of unipolarity."
http://political-science.uchicago.edu/faculty/pape.html
"Robert Pape graduated summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa from the
University of Pittsburgh in 1982 and earned his Ph.D. from the
University of Chicago in 1988. During his Ph.D. program he was a TA for
a class taught by John Mearsheimer. He taught international relations at
Dartmouth College from 1991 to 1996 and air power strategy at the United
States Air Force's School of Advanced Airpower Studies from 1996 to
1999. Since 1999 he has taught at the University of Chicago, where he is
Associate Professor of Political Science. He defines the focus of his
current work as "the effect of technological change on conflict and
cooperation among major powers and the theory and practice of suicide
terrorism."
After presenting preliminary data on his research into suicide terrorism
in the American Political Science Review in 2003, Pape founded the
Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, which he directs. The project is
funded by the Carnegie Corporation, the Pentagon's Defense Threat
Reduction Agency, the University of Chicago, and the Argonne National
Laboratory." - wikipedia
So, who would any sane intelligent person believe, Prof Robert Pape,
or pro Bush tools who think Iraq made sense? B^D
--
Now, all you THICK AS PIGSHIT atheist BIGOTS can snip all
the NUANCE, but it simply reveals what hate-filled morons
you are;
Don't take my word for it, listen to the TOP US Law Enforcement
and Intelligence officials reporting to the Congressional Inquiry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
>>> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
If nutjobs like Steve Knight and Trance Stupor kill theists
and shit down their throats.. IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM,
then is atheism to blame, or the BAAWA Militant Atheist nutjobs?
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Think very carefully about your answer, because while 9one
random individual killed 13 people, over 70,000,000 people
were killed by atheist tyrants, in the explicit name of
atheist policies;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>> I dont think real life is ever as "plain and simple" as we imagine.
In Olrik's case simple minded is all he can manage, he snips all
the reason and subtle thinking! B^]
> Indeed. But I was replying
..
> so nuance was out of the question!
>
> ;-)
B^p
> Olrik
>
>> The guy was deeply disturbed.
Olrik or Hasan?
One individual. 1.57 Billion Muslims aren't killing anyone, but you
bigots will stereotype ALL of them, and try and ignore that they have
about 69,999,987 victims to go before one crazy man equals the organised
efforts of EVERY ATHEIST regime which terrorised tortured and murdered
in the worst holocausts of the past century.
I like the whole world seeing you HYPOCRITES blame all
1,570,000,000 Muslims for the actions of one individual,
and snipping and running away from the historical evidence
that EVERY ATHEIST state ever to exist was a murderous tyranny..
...it shows what dangerous, irrational nutjobs you ALL are! B^]
Let me be clear, I have a friend that was tortured in Tehran,
I know what Islamist extremism looks like.
I was criticising the Taliban BEFORE any of you hypocritical fuckwits
had ever heard of them..
But when you bigots try and stir up hatred for all Muslims because
of the acts of a single Muslim Criminal.. well.. we all remember
the Nazi Campaign which started that shit! Any crime by a Jew
was run in the Nazi press as a Jewish Crime, and so the horror
of the propagnada of the "Dirty Jew" began.
Those that blame 'Muslims', generically, are no saner or more rational
than those who blame Psychiatrists for the crimes at Fort Hood.
However now that you have declared that all members of a group
are guilty of the crimes of ONE member of that group...
when do the Crimes against humanitycommitted by atheists, the most
violent and bloody in modern history, go on trial, and what do you
all plead?
fasgnadh
> Richo wrote:
>> Olrik runs the Bush propaganda line:
>>
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>>>
>>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>>>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>>>
>>>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
>>>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>>>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
killing each other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
-------
Something else is."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
http://political-science.uchicago.edu/faculty/pape.html
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
>>> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
If nutjobs like Steve Knight and Trance Stupor kill theists
and shit down their throats.. IN THE NAME OF ATHEISM,
then is atheism to blame, or the BAAWA Militant Atheist nutjobs?
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Think very carefully about your answer, because while 9one
random individual killed 13 people, over 70,000,000 people
were killed by atheist tyrants, in the explicit name of
atheist policies;
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>> I dont think real life is ever as "plain and simple" as we imagine.
In Olrik's case simple minded is all he can manage, he snips all
the reason and subtle thinking! B^]
> Indeed. But I was replying
..
> so nuance was out of the question!
>
> ;-)
B^p
> Olrik
>
>> The guy was deeply disturbed.
Olrik or Hasan?
--
fasgnadh
> On Nov 12, 7:54 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>
>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>
> So if a lone White guy did it, statistically vastly more numerous, it
> warrants hate crime legislation or at least extremely close
> examination of his connections if even a single person of colour is
> killed.
You reckon? pffft!
I thought the history of the USA was lynching after lynching
and never any prosecutions for decades.. till the blacks
and decent people of all colours, stood up for Civil rights,
and when Martin Luther King was shot the White Racists
and the Black Panthers BOTH started to fade into the dustbin
of history.
> If a muslim who told his neighbours he was 'going to do good work for
> allah' and then shouts "alli akbar" as he shoots 44 people its not
> religiously motivated?
If 299,999,999 American Christians don't blow up abortion
clinics, and one Church going nutjob says God Told Him
To Wreak Vengengance on the Baby Killers.. is it Religion?
I'll let the average reader work it out.. I don't think you
have the necessary equipment to think it through. B^p
> FFS they guy was in contact with Islamacist
> clerics.
1,569,999,888 Muslims are in contact with Muslim Clerics,
1 disturbed individual lost it.
He represents a higher percentage of PSYCHIATRISTS that he does
of Muslims.
There was more fragging in the Vietnam War, and that didn't
involve Muslims.
Don't take my word on this, see what the US Congress was told the
motivation for 9/11 was when they asked their top Law Enforcement
and Intelligence officials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
9/11, Bali, London bombings.. were all political, not religious.
-------
# "In Lebanon in the 1980s, of 41 suicide attackers from
# Hezbollah 1982- 1986, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists.
# Twenty-seven were Communists and Socialists. Three were Christians,
# one of which was a Christian high school teacher with a B.A.
#
# If RELIGION is the critical factor, how come we have three
# Christian suicide bombers, and a majority of SECULAR suicide
# bombers?
#
# Clearly Islamic fundamentalism is not the root cause.
#
# Something else is."
#
# - "Dying To Win" Professor Robert Pape
# "Mohammed Khan the ringleader of the London bombings of 7/7
# declared clearly in his martyrdom video that his central
# motive was "to punish Britain for atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan,
# and other Muslim nations"
#
# Hussein Osma, July 21 would-be bomber said in his interrogation;
#
# 'This was not about religion, this was about Iraq, we watched
# videos of western military atrocities in Iraq'"
# - Pape, "Dying to Win"
There are hate filled bigots who are RIPE for political
manipulation on both sides.
The dynamics of political control are simple, A black man
kills a white man. A KKK leader channels the anger and
a black church is burnt down.. none of the people in it
had anything to do with the original murder.
In the black community, what is the fastest way to political
power.. riding the rage and indignation or calling for calm
and reason?
In the white community, who gets elected sherrif, the one who
urges community liason or the one who fans fear and promises
Laura Norder!
And so it goes.... Hate and Bigotry are easily marshalled.
Prof Robert Pape, a distinguished academic whose work has been
funded by the Pentagon, and whose views are so respected
by the US Military that he taught at Dartmouth and 'air power
strategy' at the USAF's School of Advanced Airpower Studies,
conducted the ONLY study of the MOTIVATION of suicide bombers,
and thus he doesn't GUESS like Bush did, he UNDERSTANDS
what THE BOMBERS say are their reasons!!!
# "The evidence shows that the presence of American troops
# is clearly the pivotal factor driving suicide terrorism."
# "A study by University of Chicago political scientist
# Robert Pape of 462 suicide-terrorist attacks between
# 1980 and 2004 worldwide found the overwhelming reason
# for the attacks was a clear political objective and
# in more than 95 per cent of the cases the "central
# objective" was the eviction of foreign troops.
# "Before our invasion, Iraq never had a suicide-terrorist
# attack in its history. Never. Since our invasion,
# suicide terrorism has been escalating rapidly with 20
# attacks in 2003, 48 in 2004, and over 50 in just the
# first five months of 2005. Every year that the United
# States has stationed 150,000 combat troops in Iraq,
# suicide terrorism has doubled."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
http://political-science.uchicago.edu/faculty/pape.html
----
Bush did EXACTLY what Osama Bin Lidden wanted.. he attacked Iraq,
which had NOTHING to do with 9/11 NOTHING to do with Al Qaida
and no WMDs.. Then Osama could say to the brainless adolescents
and mindless bigots on the Muslim side (the ones that match Olrik,
Phil and Eunoemetic on this side) "Look, the Crusaders are Attacking
and killing Muslims"
And you were! But it WASN'T RELIGIOUS.. it was POLITICAL!
The acts of ISOLATED IRREGULARS.. terrorists, numbering in the
thousands, so terrified the Bush administration and drove
the worlds most powerful superpower into such FEAR, HYSTERIA
and over-reaction, that you took your eye ofF Osama and the Taliban,
Osama got away and they regrouped, and you made a whole NEW GENERATION
of recruits for Osama by killing innocent civilians in the Iraq
Invasion, Abu Ghraib, et al.
This led DIRECTLY to the London Bombers:
# 'This was not about religion, this was about Iraq, we watched
# videos of western military atrocities in Iraq'" - Hussein Osma,
# would-be bomber said in his interrogation
#
# - Pape, "Dying to Win"
Bush played right into Osama's hands... he appeared to be retaliating
against Muslims, not just against Wahabbist extremists.
Over time, most Muslims have come to see that the terrorists kill more
Muslims than they do Westerners.. now the Muslim regular Army of
Pakistan is engaged in a Life or Death struggle with the Taliban
you helped to grow and spread... do you really want to target
1.57 Billion people, who are mostly moderate and more the victim
of the Islamofascists that you are???
Good luck.
I am not a voice for Islam. I have a good friend who was tortured
in Tehran, and I have campaigned against the Taliban since BEFORE
9/11 and before you ever heard of them!!
I am a voice for REASON against STUPID BIGOTRY!
I don't want to exterminate the Catholics becasue of the IRA.
I don't want to execute the Germans because of the Nazis.
i don't want to execute the Jews becasue one of them was crucified.
I don't want to execute the Muslims becasue Islamofascists blow shit up!
Get a fucking clue!
>
> Just another inconsitant troll post.
I don't know why you bothered to make it.
>
> 3000 muslims in the US Army and 3 known fragging incidents.
>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>
> Obama is a liar and was called as much in the senate. He is creating
> his health care legislation; all well and good. Senate leaders wanted
> to make sure that the health care wouldn't be extended to illegal
> (mexican) immigrants. Obama told them it wouldn't but he lied by
> placing loop holes everywhere to cater for the illegals who now
> branzenly march in america under the mexican flag demanding their
> 'rights'.
>
> Obamamania will fool a sheeple for a while.
>
>
fasgnadh
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:54:37 GMT, fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>
>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>
> Stressed out people sometimes lose the ability to be fully logical. If
> they are in a somewhat dissociated state they may experience thoughts
> that justify killing and completely fail to see that what they are
> thinking of doing is not only wrong, but also not in their own
> interest.
>
>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>
> That is completely correct.
There was more fragging in the US military during the Vietnam war
than the war in Iraq, and as we all know the war in Iraq was about
non-existent WMD's, not religion.
People who object to killing innocent women and children, both during
the Vietnam war and the Iraqi war, can become violently opposed to it,
even to the point of killing fellow soldiers.
That's not an excuse, just a reason.
> But since the killer made no attempt to conceal his actions, he
> probably wasn't able to understand that they would be judged as wrong.
If you believed an army you joined to protect the civilians of your
country had illegally invaded another, Iraq, for no good reason (non-
existent WMDs) and hundreds of thousands of women and children had
needlessly died, for no good reason... and you can't get out of being
sent there to continue the illegal invasion, for which War crimes trials
have been mooted... who knows what you might do.
Personally I think his only option was conscientious objection
and copping the jail and dishonourable discharge that went with it.
But then, Americans are familiar with anyone, including schoolkids
with no religion whatsoever, going postal and shooting everyone
around them.
It happens every year..
But no one suggests a War on Schoolkids. B^p
Perhaps the easy availability of semi automatic weapons is part of the
problem! B^p
That and a culture which glorifies violence.
Saracene
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/archive/index.php/t-2562669.html
Editor’s note: For some reason suspected al-Qaeda patsies — Mohamed
Atta, Majed Moqed, and Marwan Alshehhi come to mind — and who are
supposedly devout Muslims like topless clubs and porn shops.
KILLEEN, Texas — The Army psychiatrist authorities say killed 13
people and wounded 29 others at the Fort Hood Army Base Thursday was a
recent and frequent customer at a local strip club, employees of the
club told FoxNews.com exclusively.
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan came into the Starz strip club not far from the
base at least three times in the past month, the club's general
manager, Matthew Jones, told FoxNews.com. Army investigators building
their case against Hasan plan to interview Jones soon.
"The last time he was here, I remember checking his military ID at the
door, and he paid his $15 cover and stayed for six or seven hours,"
Jones, 37, said.
Hasan's presence at the club paints a starkly different portrait of
the alleged killer from that offered by his imam and family members,
who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty
finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a
day.
Starz is a strip club located just down the road from the main gate
entrance to the Fort Hood Base. It does not serve alcohol, but
customers bring their own beer and liquor and buy ice buckets and
mixers at the club.
Hasan sat at a table in the back corner of the club, to the left of
the stage on which strippers dance around a pole, employees said.
Jennifer Jenner, who works at Starz using the stage name Paige, said
Hasan bought a lap dance from her two nights in a row. She said he
paid $50 for a dance lasting three songs in one of the club's private
rooms on Oct. 29 and Oct. 30.
"I remembered his face because it was the first lap dance I [gave] to
a customer while working here," she said. "When I saw his face
[Friday] on TV, I jumped out of bed, I knew it was him."
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>>
>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>
>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>
>> ...
>>
>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>
>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
>>
The sexual frustration of being in a gender segregated military?
> it psychs them up for murderous violence.
Well, that has been the principle of young men in barracks,
separated from women, in armies since ancient times!
You cant have people overcoming the inhibition against killing unless
you separate them from family, break them down and rebuild them to
follow orders and bond as a team.
But as a Psychiatrist and Military doctor, he should have been aware of
that.
> http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/archive/index.php/t-2562669.html
>
> Editor�s note: For some reason suspected al-Qaeda patsies � Mohamed
> Atta, Majed Moqed, and Marwan Alshehhi come to mind � and who are
> supposedly devout Muslims like topless clubs and porn shops.
So they are not really devout Muslims, are they!
They ignore the Qur'an, not just in relation to sexual perversions,
but the admonition about not killing innocents.. eg civilians.
Hasan didn't kill civilians, but then, he's not a terrorist, he's
a murderer.
> KILLEEN, Texas � The Army psychiatrist authorities say killed 13
> people and wounded 29 others at the Fort Hood Army Base Thursday was a
> recent and frequent customer at a local strip club, employees of the
> club told FoxNews.com exclusively.
So you think that like Tim McVeigh, he was another sexually repressed
product of the military.
They certainly provided his weapons training, not al qaida.
> Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan came into the Starz strip club not far from the
> base at least three times in the past month, the club's general
> manager, Matthew Jones, told FoxNews.com. Army investigators building
> their case against Hasan plan to interview Jones soon.
>
> "The last time he was here, I remember checking his military ID at the
> door, and he paid his $15 cover and stayed for six or seven hours,"
> Jones, 37, said.
So lets get this straight, you think he's not really a sincere Muslim,
but like Attar he is politically motivated, not religious.
It seems to fit the profile.
> Hasan's presence at the club paints a starkly different portrait of
> the alleged killer from that offered by his imam and family members,
> who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty
> finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a
> day.
>
> Starz is a strip club located just down the road from the main gate
> entrance to the Fort Hood Base. It does not serve alcohol, but
> customers bring their own beer and liquor and buy ice buckets and
> mixers at the club.
>
> Hasan sat at a table in the back corner of the club, to the left of
> the stage on which strippers dance around a pole, employees said.
More like your ordinary soldier than a devout Muslim.
> Jennifer Jenner, who works at Starz using the stage name Paige, said
> Hasan bought a lap dance from her two nights in a row. She said he
> paid $50 for a dance lasting three songs in one of the club's private
> rooms on Oct. 29 and Oct. 30.
>
> "I remembered his face because it was the first lap dance I [gave] to
> a customer while working here," she said. "When I saw his face
> [Friday] on TV, I jumped out of bed, I knew it was him."
Your idea that sex is the problem is a classic Freudian diagnosis,
but face it, the whole society is sexually confused.. it doesn't
usually make people go postal!
(although it may be a serious factor in school shootings, where rejected
loners take their humiliation out on the whole student population.. the
role of humiliation as a trigger for violence is well known.. just look
at the posts of Porn Queen Steve and Chris lee.. both psychosexual
nutjobs.. and Hasan clearly felt persecuted in the armed forces)
abelard
wrote:
>So, who would any sane intelligent person believe, Prof Robert Pape,
>or pro Bush tools who think Iraq made sense? B^D
both
abelard
<kill...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Surfer wrote
>> Well, perhaps Hasan's real purpose was to illustrate what he believed
>> Islamism to be.
>Hasan was a typical rightist. A right wing religious fundamentalist.
you do ramble on a bit...
so, the unabomber was 'right wing'?
and you're saying the real motivation for these
occasional mostly random acts of violence are
because obarmy evokes anger...
and that's bush's fault....
you don't only ramble, you also appear confused
or are you an unsuccessful troll
sure hasan's a right wing fundie...but while a pain in the butt,
he's nowhere near the killing machines that left wing governments
set up once they get real power...
your personal cowardice is noted
fasgnadh
>> or pro Bush tools who think Iraq made sense? B^D
>>
>
> both
Where's the WMDs?
Face it, Chalabi, the Bush administrations original pick for
Iraqi Puppet leader, was dropped when it was revealed he was
an Iranian tool, and it was Chalabi's agent in Europe, 'Curveball', who
planted the stories about Saddam having WMDs.
Given the paucity of US intelligence in Iraq, the story was swallowed
whole, so the US invasion was a sucker play, engineered by the wily
Persians to dupe Bush into removing their main rival in the region.
It worked perfectly, for the Shiite Imams, and made Iran the regional
hegemony.
Well done, Uncle Sam! B^p
How many dead American soldiers, not to mention a trillion dollars and a
mountain of debt, did that little cluster fuck cost?
Wouldn't it have been cheaper to have paid Baathist traitors to
assassinate Sadamm?
Time was, the US could control 85% of South American resources with a
few well placed bribes to local despots... Vietnam and Iraq
demonstrated they had lost the capacity for effective Empire.
abelard
wrote:
>abelard wrote:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> So, who would any sane intelligent person believe, Prof Robert Pape,
>>> or pro Bush tools who think Iraq made sense? B^D
>> both
>
>Where's the WMDs?
didn't you read the real order from congress regarding
the socialist dictatorship in iraq
>Face it, Chalabi, the Bush administrations original pick for
>Iraqi Puppet leader, was dropped when it was revealed he was
>an Iranian tool, and it was Chalabi's agent in Europe, 'Curveball', who
>planted the stories about Saddam having WMDs.
>
>Given the paucity of US intelligence in Iraq, the story was swallowed
>whole, so the US invasion was a sucker play, engineered by the wily
>Persians to dupe Bush into removing their main rival in the region.
>
>It worked perfectly, for the Shiite Imams, and made Iran the regional
>hegemony.
>
>Well done, Uncle Sam! B^p
>
>How many dead American soldiers, not to mention a trillion dollars and a
>mountain of debt, did that little cluster fuck cost?
>
>Wouldn't it have been cheaper to have paid Baathist traitors to
>assassinate Sadamm?
>
>Time was, the US could control 85% of South American resources with a
>few well placed bribes to local despots... Vietnam and Iraq
>demonstrated they had lost the capacity for effective Empire.
all very simplistic
the real objectives have been reached....bases to supervise
the western developed oil fields, upon which the west...and
thence the world, is now increasingly dependent
the following looks like pretty random cut and paste to me
--
Saracene
>
> > It's the sexual frustation,
>
> The sexual frustration of being in a gender segregated military?
>
> > it psychs them up for murderous violence.
>
> Well, that has been the principle of young men in barracks,
> separated from women, in armies since ancient times!
>
> You cant have people overcoming the inhibition against killing unless
> you separate them from family, break them down and rebuild them to
> follow orders and bond as a team.
>
> But as a Psychiatrist and Military doctor, he should have been aware of
> that.
All I meant to say was that striptease was frustrating, and it looks
as though they were using that to get themselves in the right mood.
mose
"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:ExOKm.54244$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Olrik snips the facts and continues to run the Bush propaganda line:
> > Richo wrote:
> >> Olrik runs the Bush propaganda line:
> >>
> >>> fasgnadh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
> >>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
> >>>>
> >>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
> >>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
> >>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
> >>>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
> >>>>
> >>>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
> >>>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
> >>>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
>
> Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
> killing each other.
>
> The US congressional inquiry into 9/11 was told, EXPLICITLY,
> that it was not about religion, but political:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
But can the US government in fact tell israel anything?
By Paul Findley
Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused
to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express
this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe
the catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president during
the past 35 years had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S.
aid until Israel withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967
Arab-Israeli war.
The U.S. lobby for Israel is powerful and intimidating, but any
determined president - even President Bush this very day - could
prevail and win overwhelming public support for the suspension of aid
by laying these facts before the American people:
Israel's present government, like its predecessors, is determined to
annex the West Bank - biblical Judea and Sumaria - so Israel will
become Greater Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful
role in Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come
until Greater Israel is a reality. Although a minority in Israel, they
are committed, aggressive, and influential. Because of deep religious
conviction, they are determined to prevent Palestinians from gaining
statehood on any part of the West Bank.
In its violent assaults on Palestinians, Israel uses the pretext of
eradicating terrorism, but its forces are actually engaged advancing
the territorial expansion just cited. Under the guise of
anti-terrorism, Israeli forces treat Palestinians worse than cattle.
With due process nowhere to be found, hundreds are detained for long
periods and most are tortured. Some are assassinated. Homes, orchards,
and business places are destroyed. Entire cities are kept under
intermittent curfew, some confinements lasting for weeks. Injured or
ill Palestinians needing emergency medical care are routinely held at
checkpoints for an hour or more. Many children are undernourished. The
West Bank and Gaza have become giant concentration camps. None of this
could have occurred without U.S. support. Perhaps Israeli officials
believe life will become so unbearable that most Palestinians will
eventually leave their ancestral homes.
Once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in
most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli
violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the
precepts of all major religious faiths.
How did the American people get into this fix?
Nine-eleven had its principal origin 35 years ago when Israel's U.S.
lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper
U.S. role in the Arab-Israeli conflict and effectively concealed from
public awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive
uncritical support to Israel.
Thanks to the suffocating influence of Israel's U.S. lobby, open
discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been non-existent in our
government all these years. I have firsthand knowledge, because I was
a member of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in
June 1967 when Israeli military forces took control of the Golan
Heights, a part of Syria, as well as the Palestinian West Bank and
Gaza. I continued as a member for 16 years, and to this day maintain a
close watch on Congress.
For 35 years, not a word has been expressed in that committee or in
either chamber of Congress that deserves to be called debate on Middle
East policy. No restrictive or limiting amendments on aid to Israel
have been offered for 20 years, and none of the few offered in
previous years received more than a handful of votes. On Capitol Hill,
criticism of Israel, even in private conversation, is all but
forbidden, treated as downright unpatriotic, if not anti-Semitic. The
continued absence of free speech was assured when those few who spoke
out - Senators Adlai Stevenson and Charles Percy, and Reps. Paul
"Pete" McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl Hilliard, and myself - were
defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel forces.
As a result, legislation dealing with the Middle East has been heavily
biased in favor of Israel and against Palestinians and other Arabs
year after year. Home constituencies, misled by news coverage equally
lop-sided in Israel's favor, remain largely unaware that Congress
behaves as if it were a subcommittee of the Israeli parliament.
However, the bias is widely noted beyond America, where most news
media candidly cover Israel's conquest and generally excoriate
America's complicity and complacency. When President Bush welcomed
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, sometimes called the Butcher of
Beirut, as "my dear friend" and "a man of peace" after Israeli forces,
using U.S.-donated arms, completed their devastation of the West Bank
last spring, worldwide anger against American policy reached the
boiling point.
The fury should surprise no one who reads foreign newspapers or
listens to BBC. In several televised statements long before 9/11,
Osama bin Laden, believed by U.S. authorities to have masterminded
9/11, cited U.S. complicity in Israel's destruction of Palestinian
society as a principal complaint. Prominent foreigners, in and out of
government, express their opposition to U.S. policies with
unprecedented frequency and severity, especially since Bush announced
his determination to make war against Iraq.
The lobby's intimidation remains pervasive. It seems to reach every
government center, and even houses of worship and revered institutions
of higher learning. It is highly effective in silencing the many U.S.
Jews who object to the lobby's tactics and Israel's brutality.
Nothing can justify 9/11. Those guilty deserve maximum punishment, but
it makes sense for America to examine motivations promptly and as
carefully as possible. Terrorism almost always arises from deeply-felt
grievances. If they can be eradicated or eased, terrorist passions are
certain to subside.
Today, a year after 9/11, President Bush has made no attempt to
redress grievances, or even to identify them. In fact, he has made the
scene far worse by supporting Israel's religious war against
Palestinians, an alliance that has intensified anti-American anger. He
seems oblivious to the fact that nearly two billion people worldwide
regard the plight of Palestinians as today's most important
foreign-policy challenge.
No one in authority will admit a calamitous reality that is skillfully
shielded from the American people but clearly recognized by most of
the world: America suffered 9/11 and its aftermath and may soon be at
war with Iraq, mainly because U.S. policy in the Middle East is made
in Israel, not in Washington.
Israel is a scofflaw nation and should be treated as such. Instead of
helping Sharon intensify Palestinian misery, our president should
suspend all aid until Israel ends its occupation of Arab land Israel
seized in 1967. The suspension would force Sharon's compliance or lead
to his removal from office, as the Israeli electorate will not
tolerate a prime minister who is at odds with the White House.
If Bush needs an additional reason for doing the right thing, he can
justify the suspension as a matter of military necessity, an essential
step in winning international support for his war on terrorism. He can
cite a worthy precedent. When President Abraham Lincoln issued the
proclamation that freed only the slaves in states that were then in
rebellion, he made the restriction because of "military necessity." If
Bush suspends U.S. aid, he will liberate all Americans from long years
of bondage to Israel's misdeeds.
About the author
Paul Findley, a U.S. Congressional Representative from Illinois
1961-83, is the author of three books related to the Middle East,
including They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
Israel's Lobby (1985) and, most recently, Silent No More: Confronting
America's False Images of Islam. He resides in Jacksonville, Illinois.
This essay was issued on Sept. 12, 2002.
Institute for Historical Review
http://www.ihr.org/
News Source: Institute for Historical Review
> # "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
> # instead of the family.
> #
> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
> # were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
Alan Ford
> Hasan's presence at the club paints a starkly different portrait of
> the alleged killer from that offered by his imam and family members,
> who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty
> finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a
> day.
Breaking news - stop the presses!!! A seemingly fanatical religionist
secretly frequents strip joints, prostitutes, has homo sex, takes drugs,
watches child porn.
That never happened before. We all know that in the US Bible belt there
are no strip bars, prostitutes and drugs whatsoever and if there are,
they're all patronized by atheists.
--
If you don't beat your meat
You can't have any pudding
How can you have any pudding
If you don't beat your meat?
abelard
>Saracene wrote:
>
>> Hasan's presence at the club paints a starkly different portrait of
>> the alleged killer from that offered by his imam and family members,
>> who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty
>> finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a
>> day.
>
>
>Breaking news - stop the presses!!! A seemingly fanatical religionist
>secretly frequents strip joints, prostitutes, has homo sex, takes drugs,
>watches child porn.
>
>That never happened before. We all know that in the US Bible belt there
>are no strip bars, prostitutes and drugs whatsoever and if there are,
>they're all patronized by atheists.
in the south, several acts do not count as sex...
that was how clinton was able to answer truthfully
correctly and legally
'i did not have sex with that woman'
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Catholics don't blow up protestants in my town, and Muslims
> don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
>
> So it's not a religious conflict.
maybe not in your town, but when members of one religious belief are
killing non-members of that religious belief, then it it a religious
conflict.
Otherwise, Fasgnadh would also have to concede that deaths in communist
countries were unrelated to religious issues of any kind.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
> killing each other.
So Fasgnadh claims every murder in Australia is of a Muslim killing
Muslim, or a Jew killing Jew, or a Christian killing Christan, or the
like?
Virgil
> Think very carefully about your answer, because while 9one
> random individual killed 13 people, over 70,000,000 people
> were killed by atheist tyrants, in the explicit name of
> atheist policies;
But according to another post today by this same fool Fasgnadh:
In article <ExOKm.54244$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> When Henry VIII formed a new church so he could divorce his wife,
> it was political, not religious.
>
> When the IRA were bombing pubs that British soldiers
> frequented, it was political, not religious.
>
> It can be made to LOOK religious, because the occupation
> was by protestant Britain, and the occupied were Catholic
> Irish, and so much of the troop rallying on both sides would
> be couched in religious terms..but it was about freedom and
> independence.. not religion.
>
> Catholics don't blow up protestants in my town, and Muslims
> don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
>
> So it's not a religious conflict.
Deaths in those communist countries cannot have been based on any sort
of religious conflict. And any such deaths must have been as purely
political as those in religious nations.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> If 299,999,999 American Christians don't blow up abortion
> clinics, and one Church going nutjob says God Told Him
> To Wreak Vengengance on the Baby Killers.. is it Religion?
It is religion when that murderer is held up in many churches as a hero,
and church groups contribute to his defense fund.
>
> I'll let the average reader work it out.. I don't think you
> have the necessary equipment to think it through.
It is clear enough that Fasgnadh doesn't have that equipment.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> news:fnNKm.54223$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au:
>
>> Olrik wrote:
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>>>
>>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>>>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>>>
>>>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
>>>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>>>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
>> Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
>> killing each other.
>>
>> The US congressional inquiry into 9/11 was told, EXPLICITLY,
>> that it was not about religion, but political:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
>>
>>> Nidal Malik Hasan killed in the name of islam, plan & simple.
>>
>> # monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
>> # Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
>> # other religious sentiments were often killed.
>> # ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
>> # and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
>> # and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
>> # starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
>> # prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
>> # instead of the family.
>> #
>> # About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
According to you, or the US congressional inquiry
which clearly showed that 9/11 was an act of political
extremism, not religious war?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
You morons who accepted the Bush propaganda lie, let Osama
get away, invaded Iraq, which had no Al Qaida, until you created
chaos that let them in to Iraq to kill thousands of American troops,
and have no removed the major competition to Iran in the region,
handing Iraq to the Shiites, and making Iran the regional hegemony,
and provoking numerous subsequent terrorist attacks including the
ones in London, as young hotheads were outraged by abu Ghraib
and the death toll in Iraq.. (more people killed in the six years after
the invasion, than in the six years before, under the rule of Saddam,
a murderous tyrant... and
no WMDS, America's international reputation down the shitter..
all the good will for the USA after 9/11 frittered away...
Meanwhile, working WITH the 203,000,000 moderate Indonesian Muslims who
didn't like being blown up in Bali any more than the tourists did,
Indonesia captured, put on trial(And exposed what murderous shits they
were) then executed the Bali Bombers.. and Jemaah Islamiah has NEVER
RECOVERED and is crippled!
Treat criminals like criminals, fuckwit.
If you treat the entire Catholic population as ENEMIES in a WAR on
Terror, because the IRA blows up pubs where British soldiers
like to drink, then you will have a conflict which goes on for DECADES.
It wasn't about religion, it was about the Imperialist OCCUPATION of
their country by the British!
Same story in Palestine.
You could make the same mistake in Afghanistan and Iraq, and lose
thousands more of our soldiers lives and still CREATE a war where
there was none.. and lose it.
> bet you're missing Sir Johnny now...
You would lose, no one misses the little runt..
especially not the Lieberal Party!
>please understand...
Nothing you have to say involves understanding,
you just repeat what politicians have told you....
> there are forces beyond your control
> and comprehension...
Spirit, Love, electrickery, life after death, Gravity, sure..
but as you are not able to explain any of them .. run along!
> don't feel bad...
I'm not responsible for your content free post.. it amuses
me, but does not concern me in the least. B^)
> but just be cool
I have air conditioning...
do you have ANYTHING to say worth hearing
or are you just a pointless cliche bot?
> and expect the unexpected...
Thought so, a pointless cliche bot!
> after all...you've
> known me all this time,
Never heard of you.
Am I supposed to remember you from some distant
arse kicking I gave you? pffft
Get over yourself, anyone with such a weak ego really
should not venture into Usenet without protectors! B^]
> and have I EVER been wrong ???
You haven't said anything that is testable, you poor dribbling moron! B^D
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Saracene
He was not just any seemingly fanatical religionist. Would a mere
hypocrite do what he did?
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> I have air conditioning...
Does it filter out the stink of your ever soiled nappies?
fasgnadh
> Olrik snips the facts and continues to run the Bush propaganda line:
> > Richo wrote:
> >> Olrik runs the Bush propaganda line:
> >>
> >>> fasgnadh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
> >>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
> >>>>
> >>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
> >>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
> >>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
> >>>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
> >>>>
> >>>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
> >>>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
> >>>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
"Docs worried soldier was 'psychotic'"
US military doctors had worried that the suspected gunman
in the Fort Hood shootings was "psychotic" and unstable
but did not seek to sack him, National Public Radio
reported today, citing unnamed officials."
What, they thought he was standard military issue and ready for
war? 8^o
"Psychiatrists and medical officials who oversaw Major Nidal
Hasan, accused of opening fire on fellow soldiers at the Fort
Hood base in Texas last week, held a series of meetings between
the northern spring of 2008 and the spring of this year to
discuss serious concerns about his work and his behaviour,
NPR reported."
Sounds like the military failed to act on one of their nutjobs.
Why should 1,570,000,000 Muslims who are MORE VICTIMS of terrorism
than anyone else cop the blame?
"The NPR report cited interviews with several
officials from Walter Reed Medical Centre in Washington
and the Uniformed Services University of the Health
Sciences in Maryland.
Officials considered kicking Hasan out of the program but
chose not to partly because sacking a doctor was a "cumbersome
and lengthy" process that involves hearings and potential
legal conflict, sources told NPR."
Another victory for Blind Bureaucratic bungling.. they suspected
Hasan was crazy but sacking a doctor was just too difficult! pfffft
And innocent Muslim women and children are wearing the blame for this
individual going postal after teh authorities refused to ACT!???
Big shame job.
"With Hasan due to leave Walter Reed after six years and transfer to
Fort Hood in Texas, officials thought the larger psychiatric staff at
that army base would be better placed to provide support to Hasan and to
monitor him, according to NPR."
That worked well! B^p
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alt.atheism FAQ:
Alan Ford
>>> Hasan's presence at the club paints a starkly different portrait of
>>> the alleged killer from that offered by his imam and family members,
>>> who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty
>>> finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a
>>> day.
>> Breaking news - stop the presses!!! A seemingly fanatical religionist
>> secretly frequents strip joints, prostitutes, has homo sex, takes drugs,
>> watches child porn.
>>
>> That never happened before. We all know that in the US Bible belt there
>> are no strip bars, prostitutes and drugs whatsoever and if there are,
>> they're all patronized by atheists.
>
> He was not just any seemingly fanatical religionist. Would a mere
> hypocrite do what he did?
Some would, most wouldn't. Where are you going with this?
Saracene
> Saracene wrote:
> >>> Hasan's presence at the club paints a starkly different portrait of
> >>> the alleged killer from that offered by his imam and family members,
> >>> who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty
> >>> finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a
> >>> day.
> >> Breaking news - stop the presses!!! A seemingly fanatical religionist
> >> secretly frequents strip joints, prostitutes, has homo sex, takes drugs,
> >> watches child porn.
>
> >> That never happened before. We all know that in the US Bible belt there
> >> are no strip bars, prostitutes and drugs whatsoever and if there are,
> >> they're all patronized by atheists.
>
> > He was not just any seemingly fanatical religionist. Would a mere
> > hypocrite do what he did?
>
> Some would, most wouldn't. Where are you going with this?
>
> --
planned suicidal atrocity seems to have a logic to it that has
generally been missed. It could be part of a pattern.
Syd M.
> In article <ExOKm.54244$ze1.5...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>
> fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Catholics don't blow up protestants in my town, and Muslims
> > don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
>
> > So it's not a religious conflict.
>
> maybe not in your town, but when members of one religious belief are
> killing non-members of that religious belief, then it it a religious
> conflict.
>
> Otherwise, Fasgnadh would also have to concede that deaths in communist
> countries were unrelated to religious issues of any kind.
Don't hold your breath... He's got too much at stake to admit that.
PDW
Alan Ford
Highly dubious. After all, he had been frequenting the strip club well
before the massacre, so this is not a change in behavior.
The 9/11 bombers allegedly wanted to visit prostitutes just before the
attacks, but changed their minds in the last second. I don't know, if I
knew I was going to die, I'd probably want to fuck one more time, too.
However, if I were truly such a dumbass to believe some virgins were
waiting for me after death, then maybe no.
Hard to see a pattern there.
Hope for the Heartless
Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
No, he's claiming that Australians have the same religions as Americans
but Australians don't kill each other much. Their homicide rate is much
lower than America. I agree with him (THIS IS RARE) that the causes of
homicide in America rarely include religious differences. Americans
kill one another more often because we have a violent culture and ready
access to deadly weapons.
The latter wouldn't be a problem if not for the former.
fasgnadh
>
> Does it filter out the stink of
Most of us don't have air conditioning for that purpose,
but in your case I doubt it would help.
another pointless atheist NOISE;
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> I have air conditioning...
> >
> > Does it filter out the stink of Fasgnadh's
> > ever soiled nappies?
>
> Most of us don't have air conditioning for that purpose
Because only fasgnadh needs it.
Syd M.
wrote:
> In article <Virgil-7FF3C1.12561312112...@bignews.usenetmonster.com>,
>
> Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
> > In article <tvOKm.54242$ze1.30...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Muslims Jews, Christians, Hindus, all live in Australia and are not
> > > killing each other.
>
> > So Fasgnadh claims every murder in Australia is of a Muslim killing
> > Muslim, or a Jew killing Jew, or a Christian killing Christan, or the
> > like?
>
> No, he's claiming that Australians have the same religions as Americans
> but Australians don't kill each other much. Their homicide rate is much
> lower than America. I agree with him (THIS IS RARE) that the causes of
> homicide in America rarely include religious differences. Americans
> kill one another more often because we have a violent culture and ready
> access to deadly weapons.
>
> The latter wouldn't be a problem if not for the former.
He's also claiming that all atheists are responsible for the
atrocities of the Stalin State,
PDW
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Olrik snips the facts and continues to run the Bush propaganda line:
>> > Richo wrote:
>> >> Olrik runs the Bush propaganda line:
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>> >>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>> >>>>
>> >>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>> >>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>> >>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
>> >>>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
>> >>>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>> >>>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
>>
>> killing each other.
>>
>> that it was not about religion, but political:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
>>
>> it was political, not religious.
>>
>> When the IRA were bombing pubs that British soldiers
>> frequented, it was political, not religious.
>>
>> It can be made to LOOK religious, because the occupation
>> was by protestant Britain, and the occupied were Catholic
>> Irish, and so much of the troop rallying on both sides would
>> be couched in religious terms..but it was about freedom and
>> independence.. not religion.
>>
>> don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
>>
>> So it's not a religious conflict.
>
> maybe not in your town, but when members of one religious belief are
> killing non-members of that religious belief, then it it a religious
> conflict.
That's completely illogical; every time a Black man kills a White
man does that necessarily make it an ethnic conflict? What if he just
wanted to rob him, seek individual revenge for the rape of his sister,
or was a deeply troubled psychotic?
Why are atheists so incapable of simple logic?
And why do they allow their anti-theist prejudices to promote blind,
hate-filled bigotry towards 1,570,000,000 Muslims based on the
actions of an individual acting alone?
There are THOUSANDS of Muslims serving in the US military.. and the
one group who will simply not allow this event to change that fact
are the US military, because Muslims perform vital roles!
Put simply, the Muslims serving in the US military do more to secure
the safety of Americans than all of the Virgils, Syds and other useless
atheists who do NOTHING but white-ant American society.
So you atheist militant Islamophobic bigots, and your counterparts,
the Xtian fundie extremists who want to start a Jihad against all
Muslims based upon the actions of one individual are wasting your time.
Reality is far more complex than the fantasies which you small minded
bigots entertain. B^]
Now, Virgil, who completely misunderstands the situation, will
inappropriately apply his confusion to other situations he cannot
grasp:
> Otherwise, Fasgnadh would also have to concede that deaths in communist
> countries were unrelated to religious issues of any kind.
Apart from a few small matters, dimwit, such as the atheiest leaders,
and the entire atheist government, the Central Committees, of those
atheist tyrannies, explicitly stated, and IMPLEMENTED, atheist policies.
These included;
The expropriation and or destruction of Churches, Temples, Mosques and
synagogues.
The incarceration in gulags, terrorising, torture and mass murder of
clerics and believers.
When it is not the acts of a single individual, but the concerted
efforts of an atheist state, a clearly and explicitly stated policy
of anti-theist persecution, then it is certainly related to religion.
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
And the feeble refusal to face historical reality by atheist holocaust
deniers simply reveals them to be fools, and exposes why they are the
most distrusted and reviled minority in the United States;
# Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"
# - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
#
# "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota
# found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�
#
# "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
# university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
# below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and
# other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
# American society.�
#
# Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
# least willing to allow their children to marry.
#
# Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
# organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
# they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
# by a large portion of the American public.
#
# Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with
# an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
# behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
#
# Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
# social disorder is behind the findings.
# �Americans believe they share more than rules and
# procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
# understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our
# findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
# self-interested individuals who are not concerned
# with the common good.�
#
# The study is co-authored by assistant professor
# Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Doug Hartmann.
# It�s the first in a series of national studies conducted
# the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded
# by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation
# that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in
# the contemporary United States."
And the militant atheist thugs HAVE NOT CHANGED since the collapse of
their catastrophically FAILED atheist predecessors regimes;
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not happy with murder, Whorelord Steve favours GENOCIDE;
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv...@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <blondes_g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
>> As the foremost authority on suicide bombing, Professor Robert Pape
>> has clearly shown;
Atheists always snip the facts:
>> or pro Bush tools who think Iraq made sense? B^D
JohnN
> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>
> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>
> ...
>
> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>
> "No just and loving God looks upon them with favour.
> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
>
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
Islam played a part in this murder, Just like Christianity had its
part in Tim McVeigh's terrorist attack in Oklahoma that killed men,
women, and children.
JohnN
These NGs removed: alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,
alt.agnosticism, uk.politics.misc, and aus.politics
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> Catholics don't blow up protestants in my town, and Muslims
> >> don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
> >>
> >> So it's not a religious conflict.
> >
> > maybe not in your town, but when members of one religious belief are
> > killing non-members of that religious belief, then it it a religious
> > conflict.
>
> That's completely illogical; every time a Black man kills a White
> man does that necessarily make it an ethnic conflict?
But the phrase "are killing" does not mean only one instance, but means
a pattern of instances, in which case it is, at least in part, an ethnic
conflict.
>
> Why are atheists so incapable of simple logic?
Why is Fasgnadh even less capable of simple logic?
>
And why does Fasgnadh allow his anti-atheist prejudices to promote
blind, hate-filled bigotry towards them based on nothing but blind hate?
ased upon the actions of one individual are wasting your time.
>
Reality is far more complex than the fantasies which small minded
> bigots like fasgnadh entertain.
>
Now, Fasgnadh , who completely misunderstands the situation, will
inappropriately apply his confusion to other situations he cannot
grasp.
>
> > Otherwise, Fasgnadh would also have to concede that deaths in communist
> > countries were unrelated to religious issues of any kind.
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so." --- Mark Twain"
I don�t think God exists, but if He does I�m glad that He�ll be my
judge instead of His followers"
"Every time I see a rainbow, I remember that it�s God�s way of saying
"I�m sorry, and I promise I won�t kill every living thing on Earth ever
again. Honest.�"
"Jesus was the bastard child of an unwed mother" -unknown
"The only problem with Baptists is that they don�t hold them under long
enough" -unknown
"If there�s no God, then who pops up the next Kleenex?" -unknown
"To you I�m an atheist; to God, I�m the loyal opposition" -Woody Allen?
"An agnostic is an atheist without the courage of his convictions" -
Woody Allen?
"Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very
efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning." -
Bill Gates
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things
and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil
things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg
"What a queer thing is Christian salvation! Believing in firemen will
not save a burning house; believing in doctors will not make one well,
but believing in a savior saves men. Fudge!" -Lemuel Washburn
"Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers
that may never be questioned." -Author Unknown
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the
point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The
happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality." -George
Bernard Shaw
"A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes." -James
Feibleman
"In Heaven all the interesting people are missing." -Friedrich Nietzsche
"I viewed my fellow man not as a fallen angel, but as a risen ape." -
Desmond Morris
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from
religious conviction." -Blaise Pascal
"The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could
never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian
dogma." -Abraham Lincoln
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature." -Thomas
Jefferson
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the
Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the
Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my
own church." -Thomas Paine
"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and
to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and
his children are smart." -Henry Mencken
"Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be
happy." -Henry Mencken
"What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into
his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a
man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will
scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will
refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something
which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he
will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is
explained in this way." -Bertrand Russell
"Where knowledge ends, religion begins." -Benjamin Disraeli
"The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by Homo Sapiens is that
the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the
saccharine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their
prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet
this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster
it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive
industries in history." -Robert Heinlein
"I do not think that the real reason why people accept religion is
anything to do with argumentation. They accept religion on emotional
grounds. One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack
religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not
noticed it." -Bertrand Russell
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." -Napoleon
Bonaparte
"Hell is an outrage on humanity. When you tell me that your deity made
you in his image, I reply that he must have been very ugly." -Victor
Hugo
"Religion to me has always been the wound, not the bandage." -Dennis
Potter
"Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the
incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the
absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains." -Robert G. Ingersoll
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would
indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment
and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration -
courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the
truth." -Henry Mencken
"Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and
common sense." -Francois Marie Arouet (Voltaire)
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet." -Napoleon
Bonaparte
"Our hope of immortality does not come from any religions, but nearly
all religions come from that hope." -Robert G. Ingersoll
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to
claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." -Cardinal Bellarmine
cornholio
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:19:38 -0800 (PST), Eunometic
>
> <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >If a muslim who told his neighbours he was 'going to do good work for
> >allah' and then shouts "alli akbar" as he shoots 44 people its not
> >religiously motivated?
>
> Well, perhaps Hasan's real purpose was to illustrate what he believed
> Islamism to be.
>
> There is an interesting slide here, that he presented.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2009/11/10/GA200...
"I have been made victorious through terror."
-- Muhammad, founder of Islam
"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)
(Quran 5:33): The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his
messenger is: Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and
feet from opposite sides or exile from the land.
(Quran 9:5): Then when the sacred months have passed, slay the
idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege
them, and prepare for them each ambush.
(Quran 8:12): Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the
message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will
instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above
their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."
(Quran 5:49-51) O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE
CHRISTIANS FOR FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER
AMONGST YOU TAKES THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM;
SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE.
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,
nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor
follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the
Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they
are in a state of subjugation.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their
mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may
Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from
whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter,
and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with
you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the
recompense of the unbelievers.
(9:5) When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS
WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND
LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up
prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free
to them
(60:2-4) WE DECLARE OURSELVES TO BE CLEAR OF YOU, AND ENMITY AND
HATRED HAVE APPEARED BETWEEN US AND YOU FOREVER UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN
ALLAH ALONE
"Allah's Apostle said, The blood of a Muslim, who confesses that none
has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle,
cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married
person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts
from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." 9:83:17
Narrated 'Ikrima: 'Ali burnt some people and this news reached ibn
'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt
them, as [Muhammad] said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's
Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for [Muhammad] said,
'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'" 4:52:260
Hunter
>
> "This much we do know," Mr Obama said.
> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
Neither does lack of faith, yet fags is constantly saying it does. Make
up your mind you lying hypocrite toad.
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including taking the odd shot of family juice in the arse
fasgnadh
> Virgil wrote:
>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>> Olrik snips the facts and continues to run the Bush propaganda line:
>>>> Richo wrote:
>>>>> Olrik runs the Bush propaganda line:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "President leads Fort Hood's tribute to fallen"
>>>>>>> - Herald Sun 12/11/2009
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AS commander-in-chief, Barack Obama shared the pain and
>>>>>>> inability to understand the twisted logic that led to
>>>>>>> the murder of 13 soldiers on home soil."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "No faith justifies these murderous and craven acts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For what he has done, we know that the killer will be
>>>>>>> met with justice - in this world, and the next."
>>>
>>> killing each other.
>>>
>>> The US congressional inquiry into 9/11 was told, EXPLICITLY,
>>> that it was not about religion, but political:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg
>>>
>>> When Henry VIII formed a new church so he could divorce his wife,
>>> it was political, not religious.
>>>
>>> When the IRA were bombing pubs that British soldiers
>>> frequented, it was political, not religious.
>>>
>>> It can be made to LOOK religious, because the occupation
>>> was by protestant Britain, and the occupied were Catholic
>>> Irish, and so much of the troop rallying on both sides would
>>> be couched in religious terms..but it was about freedom and
>>> independence.. not religion.
>>>
>>> don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
>>>
>>> So it's not a religious conflict.
>>
>> maybe not in your town, but when members of one religious belief are
>> killing non-members of that religious belief, then it it a religious
>> conflict.
That's completely illogical; every time a Black man kills a White
man does that necessarily make it an ethnic conflict? What if he just
wanted to rob him, seek individual revenge for the rape of his sister,
or was a deeply troubled psychotic?
Why are atheists so incapable of simple logic?
And why do they allow their anti-theist prejudices to promote blind,
hate-filled bigotry towards 1,570,000,000 Muslims based on the
actions of an individual acting alone?
There are THOUSANDS of Muslims serving in the US military.. and the
one group who will simply not allow this event to change that fact
are the US military, because Muslims perform vital roles!
Put simply, the Muslims serving in the US military do more to secure
the safety of Americans than all of the Virgils, Syds and other useless
atheists who do NOTHING but white-ant American society.
So you atheist militant Islamophobic bigots, and your counterparts,
the Xtian fundie extremists who want to start a Jihad against all
Muslims based upon the actions of one individual are wasting your time.
Reality is far more complex than the fantasies which you small minded
bigots entertain. B^]
Now, Virgil, who completely misunderstands the situation, will
inappropriately apply his confusion to other situations he cannot
grasp:
>> Otherwise, Fasgnadh would also have to concede that deaths in
>> communist countries were unrelated to religious issues of any kind.
Apart from a few small matters, dimwit, such as the atheist leaders,
and the entire atheist government, the Central Committees, of those
atheist tyrannies, explicitly stated, and IMPLEMENTED, atheist policies.
These included;
The expropriation and or destruction of Churches, Temples, Mosques and
synagogues.
The forced indoctrination in atheism of children in schools, and
adults in 're-education' camps
The incarceration in gulags, terrorising, torture and mass murder of
clerics and believers.
When it is not the acts of a single individual, but the concerted
efforts of an atheist state, a clearly and explicitly stated policy
of anti-theist persecution, then it is certainly related to religion.
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
And the feeble refusal to face historical reality by atheist holocaust
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
> Don't hold your breath... He's got too much at stake to admit that.
All you atheist bigots are blind believers in your dogma;
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
--
alt.atheism FAQ:
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Syd M. wrote:
> > Virgil wrote:
> >> fasgnadh wrote:
> >>> Catholics don't blow up protestants in my town, and Muslims
> >>> don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
> >>>
> >>> So it's not a religious conflict.
> >>
> >> maybe not in your town, but when members of one religious belief are
> >> killing non-members of that religious belief, then it it a religious
> >> conflict.
>
> That's completely illogical; every time a Black man kills a White
> man does that necessarily make it an ethnic conflict?
If it only happens once, possibly not. But if it keeps on happening, as
it has been, and those doing the killing publicly state their reasons,
as they have been, they it takes someone as stupid as Fasgnadh not to
get the message.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Syd M. wrote:
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> don't blow up Christians and Jews in my town.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it's not a religious conflict.
>>>>
>>>> maybe not in your town, but when members of one religious belief are
>>>> killing non-members of that religious belief, then it it a religious
>>>> conflict.
>>
>> That's completely illogical; every time a Black man kills a White
>> wanted to rob him, seek individual revenge for the rape of his sister,
>> or was a deeply troubled psychotic?
>
Irrelevant, you illogical dimwit.. during the American Civil
war Black soldiers on the Union side could have shot confederate
troops all day and it would still have been to do with Civil War,
Freedom and the abolition of slavery.. not racism.. because they
were fighting ALONGSIDE white men, fellow Union soldiers!!!! B^]
It is because you thick-as-pigshit atheists can't THINK that you cannot
understand the rational arguments presented to you.
You are a complete waste of space.
>> Why are atheists so incapable of simple logic?
I blame the inbreeding among their parents and in Virgil's case
the rapid progress of syphilitic spirochaetes eating his brain. ;-]
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Virgil wrote:
> > fasgnadh wrote:
> >>
> >> That's completely illogical; every time a Black man kills a White
> >> man does that necessarily make it an ethnic conflict? What if he just
> >> wanted to rob him, seek individual revenge for the rape of his sister,
> >> or was a deeply troubled psychotic?
> >
> > If it only happens once, possibly not. But if it keeps on happening,
>
> Irrelevant, you illogical dimwit.
Then what kept on happenening in Communist countrries is equally
irrelevant, you hyper-illogical dimmer-wit.
>
It is because you thick-as-pigshit theists like fasgnadh can't THINK
that you cannot understand the rational arguments presented to you.
>
> You are a complete waste of space.
>
> > Why are theists so incapable of simple logic?
>
>
I blame the inbreeding among their parents and in Fasgnadh's case
the rapid progress of syphilitic spirochaetes eating his brain.
Communist dictators may feel a need to invoke Marxist atheism, but those
atheists and agnostics not under those communist dictatorships are quite
free to reject communism, and do so.
Fasgnadh, on the other hand, promotes suppression of the freedom of
conscience to be atheist. Which puts Fasgnadh more on the side of
tyrants like Lenin, Mao, etc., than on the side of freedom of religion.
> >> the
> >> weak atheists still cannot accept their OWN responsibility for their
> >> atheist holocausts, killing over 60,000,000 in the 20th century!
Fasgnadh at least as guilty of those deaths as any atheist born since
they occurred.
Every time one thinks that fasgnadh has finally shown his worst, he
somehow exceeds it.