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Robert Duncan
Mar 30, 2014, 10:08:13 AM3/30/14
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FOR A LIE. . .?
KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
For this reason — these 12 men not only died for a lie — and here
is the catch — THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
is a lie — THEY KNEW IT!
You can not find a group of 12 men in the history of this
universe who forsook all, were beaten, were jailed and even went so far
as die for a lie — KNOWING it was a lie!
IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!
Michael Green, principal of St. John's College, Nottingham,
writes concerning the apostles, ". . . You could imprison them, flog
them, kill them, but you could not make them deny their conviction that
on the third day he rose again." Dr. Greenleaf wrote, "IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE
that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had
narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD!"
And then there's the man called
Saul of Tarsus.
Saul of Tarsus thought Jesus was a false messiah, a fake, a
blasphemer. And to exterminate Christianity totally, became his passion!
The Bible describes him:
"As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into
every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison." (Acts 8:3)
"And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter
against the disciples of the Lord, . . ." (Acts 9:1)
Saul of Tarsus was one of Christianitys' most rabid persecutors.
One day traveling the dusty road to Damascus, Saul burning with
vengeance, with documents authorizing him to capture all the followers
of Jesus. But on the road to Damascus something happened to Saul of
Tarsus. . .
"And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly
there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the
earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest
thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus
whom thou persecutest". (Acts 9:35)
And on the road to Damascus, the greatest conversion in history
took place! For Saul of Tarsus, among the greatest enemies of Jesus
Christ, that ever lived — became the Apostle Paul — THE GREATEST
CHRISTIAN THAT EVER LIVED!
What happened to this man?
What could so transform this man, that he completely dedicated
his life to spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ? And was later beheaded
at Rome in 67 A.D. for his faith in Jesus Christ.
URL: http://sun.iwu.edu/~rutledge/Study/resurrection.html
KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
For this reason — these 12 men not only died for a lie — and here
is the catch — THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
is a lie — THEY KNEW IT!
You can not find a group of 12 men in the history of this
universe who forsook all, were beaten, were jailed and even went so far
as die for a lie — KNOWING it was a lie!
IT IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!
Michael Green, principal of St. John's College, Nottingham,
writes concerning the apostles, ". . . You could imprison them, flog
them, kill them, but you could not make them deny their conviction that
on the third day he rose again." Dr. Greenleaf wrote, "IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE
that the apostles could have persisted in affirming the truths they had
narrated, had not JESUS CHRIST ACTUALLY RISEN FROM THE DEAD!"
And then there's the man called
Saul of Tarsus.
Saul of Tarsus thought Jesus was a false messiah, a fake, a
blasphemer. And to exterminate Christianity totally, became his passion!
The Bible describes him:
"As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into
every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison." (Acts 8:3)
"And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter
against the disciples of the Lord, . . ." (Acts 9:1)
Saul of Tarsus was one of Christianitys' most rabid persecutors.
One day traveling the dusty road to Damascus, Saul burning with
vengeance, with documents authorizing him to capture all the followers
of Jesus. But on the road to Damascus something happened to Saul of
Tarsus. . .
"And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly
there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the
earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest
thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus
whom thou persecutest". (Acts 9:35)
And on the road to Damascus, the greatest conversion in history
took place! For Saul of Tarsus, among the greatest enemies of Jesus
Christ, that ever lived — became the Apostle Paul — THE GREATEST
CHRISTIAN THAT EVER LIVED!
What happened to this man?
What could so transform this man, that he completely dedicated
his life to spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ? And was later beheaded
at Rome in 67 A.D. for his faith in Jesus Christ.
URL: http://sun.iwu.edu/~rutledge/Study/resurrection.html
linuxgal
Mar 30, 2014, 10:16:14 PM3/30/14
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Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
lie.
--
The best way to accelerate a Windows PC is at 32 feet per second
per second.
> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
lie.
--
The best way to accelerate a Windows PC is at 32 feet per second
per second.
Astero...@yahoo.com
Mar 30, 2014, 10:22:59 PM3/30/14
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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 7:16:14 PM UTC-7, linuxgal wrote:
> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
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> > There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
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> >
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> > For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>
> > is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>
>
>
> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>
> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>
> lie.
That's because they were ordered to do what they did. They were trained as soldiers to just obey orders. On the other hand, Christianity is based on the proposition that Jesus died and Rose again. The Gospel writers defended this by claiming to be eyewitnesses, and by appealing to fulfilled prophecy and descriptions of the miracles of Jesus. If none of this happened and the disciples died, then they died for a lie voluntarily without any orders.
> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
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> > There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
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> >
>
> > For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>
> > is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>
>
>
> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>
> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>
> lie.
Free Lunch
Mar 30, 2014, 10:24:17 PM3/30/14
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
<linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>
>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>
>I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
> lie.
Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
<linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>
>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>
>I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
> lie.
Jeanne Douglas
Mar 30, 2014, 10:28:12 PM3/30/14
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In article <vdkhj9h0js9e68vsk...@4ax.com>,
Of course not. Why would anybody expect a chickenhawk to get anywhere
near fighting?
--
JD
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital,
and deserves much the higher consideration."
--Abraham Lincoln
near fighting?
--
JD
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital,
and deserves much the higher consideration."
--Abraham Lincoln
Wisely Non-Theist
Mar 30, 2014, 11:04:28 PM3/30/14
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In article <4b04857e-ef55-450e...@googlegroups.com>,
desireable outcome.
Since atheism does not require any such beliefs, it can not happen to
them, at least not from their atheism.
Astero...@yahoo.com wrote:
> If none of this happened and the disciples died, then they died for a lie
> voluntarily without any orders.
Dying for a lie, whether voluntarily or not, does not seem to be a very
> If none of this happened and the disciples died, then they died for a lie
> voluntarily without any orders.
desireable outcome.
Since atheism does not require any such beliefs, it can not happen to
them, at least not from their atheism.
Dakota
Mar 31, 2014, 7:34:07 AM3/31/14
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Christopher A. Lee
Mar 31, 2014, 7:48:29 AM3/31/14
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:
>On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
Characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
impossibilities like talking snakes, virgin births, global floods and
dead people rising from their graves.
would have died for the beliefs, which doesn't make them true
otherwise the Hamas suicide bombers, WW2 Kamikaze pilots etc were
correct.
>>> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>> lie.
>>
>> Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>>
>Some, like Cheney, got even richer because of the wars.
A complete sleaze, even worse than his puppet Bush.
wrote:
>On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
impossibilities like talking snakes, virgin births, global floods and
dead people rising from their graves.
.
>>>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
Even if they were real, that is still a false dichotomy because they
>>>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
would have died for the beliefs, which doesn't make them true
otherwise the Hamas suicide bombers, WW2 Kamikaze pilots etc were
correct.
>>> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>> lie.
>>
>> Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>>
>Some, like Cheney, got even richer because of the wars.
Joe Bruno
Mar 31, 2014, 9:06:39 AM3/31/14
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On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
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> >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>
> >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
>
>
> Characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>
> impossibilities like talking snakes,
Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>
> >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
>
>
> Characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>
> impossibilities like talking snakes,
The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor used to make a
point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit. In those days with primitive medical care, people rarely lived
past 45. The point is that he lived a very long time because he was a righteous man who obeyed God's law.
virgin births,
Only the Catholics believe that and it only supposedly happened once.
global floods
The story is a product of it's time. Evidence has been found in the Black Sea
that indicates a huge flood occurred in the region. At that time, people rarely traveled out of their local area.Thus, those folks did not realize that
there was a world beyond theirs. To them, the flood was global.
Malcolm McMahon
Mar 31, 2014, 9:21:39 AM3/31/14
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On Sunday, 30 March 2014 15:08:13 UTC+1, Robert Duncan wrote:
> FOR A LIE. . .?
>
>
>
> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>
>
>
> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
>
>
> For this reason -- these 12 men not only died for a lie -- and here
> FOR A LIE. . .?
>
>
>
> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>
>
>
> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
>
>
>
> is the catch -- THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>
>
>
> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>
> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
>
>
> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>
>
>
>
> You can not find a group of 12 men in the history of this
>
> universe who forsook all, were beaten, were jailed and even went so far
>
> as die for a lie -- KNOWING it was a lie!
>
>
> You can not find a group of 12 men in the history of this
>
> universe who forsook all, were beaten, were jailed and even went so far
>
>
> CHRISTIAN THAT EVER LIVED!
And, you know, it the real miracle is that the disciples seem to have fallen for this story.
The Burning Bush sounds like a very Old Testament miracle. Exactly the kind of miracle that someone of that era would make up.
If you're undercover, especially a beginner, one of the first pieces of advice is that you chose an alias that sounds a lot like your real name, so you will react properly if it's called out. Like "Paul" instead of "Saul", for example.
I reckon what might have happened is that he went to Damascus under an assumed name and one of the disciples recognised him, or he gave himself away somehow.
So he made up this faery story to explain that he wasn't there to spy, and as an excuse for the false name.
Later he found a way to turn nascent Christianity into a good thing for him. He strikes me as relating to Jesus as Lenin did to Marx.
Don Martin
Mar 31, 2014, 10:12:20 AM3/31/14
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:24:17 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:
No bullets holes in Dubya.
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
wrote:
--
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
Alex W
Apr 1, 2014, 5:43:23 AM4/1/14
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On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:12:20 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:24:17 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>>>
>>>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>>>
>>>I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>> lie.
>>
>>Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>
> No bullets holes in Dubya.
Do the button holes in his "Mission Accomplished" flightsuit
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:24:17 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>><linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>>>
>>>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>>>
>>>I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>> lie.
>>
>>Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>
> No bullets holes in Dubya.
count?
Davej
Apr 1, 2014, 7:47:27 AM4/1/14
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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
> FOR A LIE. . .?
>
> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>
> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own liking.
> FOR A LIE. . .?
>
> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>
> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
Don Martin
Apr 1, 2014, 1:50:41 PM4/1/14
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like buttons and uses zippers only.
hypatiab7
Apr 1, 2014, 2:48:12 PM4/1/14
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On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:39 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
> > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
> > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
> > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
> > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
> > impossibilities like talking snakes,
>
>
>
> Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
> The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor used to make a
> point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit. In those days with primitive medical care, people rarely lived
> past 45. The point is that he lived a very long time because he was a righteous man who obeyed God's law.
>
> virgin births,
>
> Only the Catholics believe that and it only supposedly happened once.
The idea of virgin birth was taken from earlier religions - Egyptian,
>
>
>
> Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
> The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor used to make a
> point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit. In those days with primitive medical care, people rarely lived
> past 45. The point is that he lived a very long time because he was a righteous man who obeyed God's law.
>
> virgin births,
>
> Only the Catholics believe that and it only supposedly happened once.
Hindu, Greek and more.
>
> global floods
>
> The story is a product of it's time. Evidence has been found in the Black Sea
> that indicates a huge flood occurred in the region. At that time, people rarely traveled out of their local area.Thus, those folks did not realize that
> there was a world beyond theirs. To them, the flood was global.
Wow, Joe/Art actually got something right.
> global floods
>
> The story is a product of it's time. Evidence has been found in the Black Sea
> that indicates a huge flood occurred in the region. At that time, people rarely traveled out of their local area.Thus, those folks did not realize that
> there was a world beyond theirs. To them, the flood was global.
hypatiab7
Apr 1, 2014, 2:53:01 PM4/1/14
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whichever way the wind blew and then he tried to take over.
Michael
Apr 1, 2014, 3:04:29 PM4/1/14
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On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>
> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>
>
Witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.
In addition to my own, once by the sea, the waves of the ocean stopped, and he came down and touched my eyes so i could see what he did, but you won't accept that so ...
There is a record written of former records, that contains an account of his being raised to life.
It was written on gold plates.
8 witnesses saw the plates, in addition to the translator of the plates.
He left a copy of the characters off the plates, and the characters have been found out to be in a certain language that is translatable, and it translates to the first several verses of the record.
Dakota
Apr 1, 2014, 3:17:09 PM4/1/14
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On 4/1/2014 12:50 PM, Don Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:43:23 +0100, Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:12:20 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:24:17 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>
>>>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>>>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>>>> lie.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>>>
>>> No bullets holes in Dubya.
>>
>> Do the button holes in his "Mission Accomplished" flightsuit
>> count?
>
> The button holes were fakes. Bush has trouble operating craft devices
> like buttons and uses zippers only.
>
Bush can't operate a zipper either. He uses Velcro.
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:43:23 +0100, Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:12:20 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:24:17 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>
>>>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>>>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>>>> lie.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>>>
>>> No bullets holes in Dubya.
>>
>> Do the button holes in his "Mission Accomplished" flightsuit
>> count?
>
> The button holes were fakes. Bush has trouble operating craft devices
> like buttons and uses zippers only.
>
Michael
Apr 1, 2014, 3:18:04 PM4/1/14
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:17:09 PM UTC-4, Dakota wrote:
> Bush can't operate a zipper either.
Bush is a moron.
> Bush can't operate a zipper either.
Michael
Apr 1, 2014, 3:22:35 PM4/1/14
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Christopher A. Lee
Apr 1, 2014, 3:28:02 PM4/1/14
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:48:12 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
<hypa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:39 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>> > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>> > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>> > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>> > impossibilities like talking snakes,
>>
>> Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
And they're still characters in a book of religious propaganda that
<hypa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:39 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>> > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>> > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>> > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>> > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>> > impossibilities like talking snakes,
>>
>> Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
describes impossibilities like talking snakes, global floods , virgin
births etc.
Why should we take the bit about these 12 men seriously when we don't
take the rest of it seriously?
What "narrow mind" is the pathological liar projecting?
Until he or any other theist demonstrates otherwise, it remains
religious fiction.
Did that ever cross HIS narrow mind?
>> The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor
>> used to make a point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes
>> that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit.
- so he's a liar AND the dimwit.
>> In those days with
>> primitive medical care, people rarely lived past 45. The point is
>> that he lived a very long time because he was a righteous man
>> who obeyed God's law.
Methuselah, and that there actually was a God to have laws for anybody
to obey?
Did it ever cross HIS narrow mind that the whole Noah's flood
narrative is simply a rehash of earlier Babylonian and Sumerian folk
takes which also appear in the much earlier Gilgamesh epic?
>> virgin births,
>>
>> Only the Catholics believe that and it only supposedly
>> happened once.
and not that bit?
It's one of the core tenets of Christianity. and certainly taken
seriously by Protestant fundamentalists and other literalists.
And it's still a book of religious propaganda The moron dismisses bits
of it but believes other bits.
Perhaps he should explain exactly why, rather than going on the attack
when there is no reason to take any of it seriously?
>The idea of virgin birth was taken from earlier religions - Egyptian,
>Hindu, Greek and more.
like Hercules, Orpheus, Dionysus etc,
And it's still part of the book of religious propaganda from which he
cherry picks which parts he chooses to believe, without explaining
why.
>> global floods
>>
>> The story is a product of it's time. Evidence has been found in
>> the Black Sea that indicates a huge flood occurred in the region.
>> At that time, people rarely traveled out of their local area.Thus,
>> those folks did not realize that there was a world beyond theirs.
>> To them, the flood was global.
It is far more likely that the story arose in the Tigris and Euphrates
valleys which were the cradle of civilisation in that region, and
which were subject to regular often catastrophic flooding which kept
the land fertile.
But it's still in the book of religious propaganda for which he can't
explain why he believes some bits and expects even non-Christians to,
and dismisses other bits.
>Wow, Joe/Art actually got something right.
Dakota
Apr 1, 2014, 3:29:11 PM4/1/14
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global flood. Perhaps his god hadn't traveled out of its local area either.
Genesis 6:17 KJV
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to
destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and
every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Genesis 9:11 KJV
And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be
cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more
be a flood to destroy the earth.
Another consideration is that, if the flood was local, Noah's ark didn't
contain any animals from outside the region. This helps to explain the
penquins, pandas, and polar bears but, more importantly, demonstrates
that the Bible cannot be considered anything other than a book of local
mythology.
Michael
Apr 1, 2014, 3:32:37 PM4/1/14
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It was right next door.
On mars.
MarkA
Apr 1, 2014, 3:32:13 PM4/1/14
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:04:29 -0700, Michael wrote:
> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
>
>> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>>
>> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
>>
>>
> Witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.
>
Most ancient religions are just plain silly, but you can understand their
> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
>
>> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>>
>> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
>>
>>
> Witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.
>
appeal to ancient people, trying to make sense of the world. There are a
handful of religions that have modern origins, such as Mormonism and
Scientology. Believing in one of them would require that you be
seriously retarded.
"So, a known con man claims that an angel directed him to find golden
plates, buried in NY, written in hieroglyphics that the con man
translated through divine inspiration, and formed the basis of a new
bible? Works for me!"
Joe Bruno
Apr 1, 2014, 5:28:42 PM4/1/14
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:48:12 AM UTC-7, hypatiab7 wrote:
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:39 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> > On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>
> > > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>
> > > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> > > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
> characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>
> > > impossibilities like talking snakes,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
>
> > The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor used to make a
>
> > point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit. In those days with primitive medical care, people rarely lived
>
> > past 45. The point is that he lived a very long time because he was a righteous man who obeyed God's law.
>
> >
>
> > virgin births,
>
> >
>
> > Only the Catholics believe that and it only supposedly happened once.
>
>
>
> The idea of virgin birth was taken from earlier religions - Egyptian,
>
> Hindu, Greek and more.
I'm asking for proof of the Egyptian and Hindu. Go to Greece-they are predominantly Orthodox Christians.
> On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:39 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> > On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>
> > > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>
> > > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> > > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> >
>
> > > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
> characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>
> > > impossibilities like talking snakes,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
>
> > The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor used to make a
>
> > point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit. In those days with primitive medical care, people rarely lived
>
> > past 45. The point is that he lived a very long time because he was a righteous man who obeyed God's law.
>
> >
>
> > virgin births,
>
> >
>
> > Only the Catholics believe that and it only supposedly happened once.
>
>
>
> The idea of virgin birth was taken from earlier religions - Egyptian,
>
> Hindu, Greek and more.
The ancient Greek religion held that there were no gods who looked and acted like humans, which is what Jesus supposedly did, according to Christians.
>
> >
>
> > global floods
>
> >
>
> > The story is a product of it's time. Evidence has been found in the Black Sea
>
> > that indicates a huge flood occurred in the region. At that time, people rarely traveled out of their local area.Thus, those folks did not realize that
>
> > there was a world beyond theirs. To them, the flood was global.
>
>
>
> Wow, Joe/Art actually got something right.
I'm not perfect. I make mistakes.The last time I made one was in 1959.
> >
>
> > global floods
>
> >
>
> > The story is a product of it's time. Evidence has been found in the Black Sea
>
> > that indicates a huge flood occurred in the region. At that time, people rarely traveled out of their local area.Thus, those folks did not realize that
>
> > there was a world beyond theirs. To them, the flood was global.
>
>
>
> Wow, Joe/Art actually got something right.
Joe Bruno
Apr 1, 2014, 5:31:24 PM4/1/14
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bil...@m.nu
Apr 1, 2014, 5:37:56 PM4/1/14
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morning. You made another mistake when you decided to post something
on usenet actually thinking it matters or that anyone gives a crap
what you post here. and the most recent mistake you made was b y
saying you last one was in 1959. That must have been the year you were
born. however that is not your mistake that is your mothers....
%
Apr 1, 2014, 5:45:30 PM4/1/14
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Joe Bruno
Apr 1, 2014, 5:42:13 PM4/1/14
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:28:02 PM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:48:12 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
>
> <hypa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:39 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> >> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
> >> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>
> >> > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>
> >> > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> >> > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> >>
>
> >> > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
> >characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>
> >> > impossibilities like talking snakes,
>
> >>
>
> >> Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
>
>
>
> And they're still characters in a book of religious propaganda that
>
> describes impossibilities like talking snakes, global floods , virgin
>
> births etc.
>
>
>
> Why should we take the bit about these 12 men seriously when we don't
>
> take the rest of it seriously?
To me, a Jew, there were no such 12 men.They are not mentioned in the Old Testament.Jews do not accept the NT.
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:48:12 -0700 (PDT), hypatiab7
>
> <hypa...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:06:39 AM UTC-4, Joe Bruno wrote:
>
> >> On Monday, March 31, 2014 4:48:29 AM UTC-7, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
> >> > On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:34:07 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> > >On 3/30/2014 9:24 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>
> >> > >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>
> >> > >> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> >> > >>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>
> >>
>
> >> > >>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>
> >characters in a book of religious propaganda that describes
>
> >> > impossibilities like talking snakes,
>
> >>
>
> >> Perhaps the story is a metaphor. Did that ever cross your narrow mind?
>
>
>
> And they're still characters in a book of religious propaganda that
>
> describes impossibilities like talking snakes, global floods , virgin
>
> births etc.
>
>
>
> Why should we take the bit about these 12 men seriously when we don't
>
> take the rest of it seriously?
>
>
>
> What "narrow mind" is the pathological liar projecting?
You are an extreme solipsist. Your entire reality exists within the confines of your own skull.
>
>
> What "narrow mind" is the pathological liar projecting?
>
>
>
> Until he or any other theist demonstrates otherwise, it remains
>
> religious fiction.
Why should we bother to prove anything to you?We don't want you as part of our congregations. The exercise would be completely academic, with no practical purpose.
>
>
> Until he or any other theist demonstrates otherwise, it remains
>
> religious fiction.
>
>
>
> Did that ever cross HIS narrow mind?
>
>
>
> >> The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor
>
> >> used to make a point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes
>
> >> that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit.
>
>
>
> Mad Joe Bruno the Loono is the one who brought up Methuselah, I didn't
>
> - so he's a liar AND the dimwit.
It was an example of metaphor, you jackass, mentioned for explanation and clarification.
>
>
> Did that ever cross HIS narrow mind?
>
>
>
> >> The story of Methuselah, Noah's Grandfather was a metaphor
>
> >> used to make a point by exaggeration. Nobody actually believes
>
> >> that Methuselah lived 960 years, dimwit.
>
>
>
> Mad Joe Bruno the Loono is the one who brought up Methuselah, I didn't
>
> - so he's a liar AND the dimwit.
YOU CAN'T READ.
You do not (and never will) set the parameters for my comments.
I post as I please whenever I decide to do so.You are a would be
tyrant.
Joe Bruno
Apr 1, 2014, 5:57:33 PM4/1/14
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however that is not your mistake that is your mothers....
pregnant.HAHAHAHAHAHA!
YOu can also give credit to the doctor who delivered me and my Uncle Jack who drove her to the hospital.( My Dad was out of town on business) HAHAHAHA!
You are too stupid to realize that the 1959 comment was a joke??????
Joe Bruno
Apr 1, 2014, 6:36:36 PM4/1/14
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Damn are you ignorant.
Joe Bruno
Apr 1, 2014, 6:48:43 PM4/1/14
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:29:11 PM UTC-7, Dakota wrote:
There was no television, newspapers or radio. They could not find out
what the weather was in other places from the news.
Holy shit.China and Japan were not even known to Europeans until the 16th century. The Middle East was not known to them until the Crusades in 1099.
All the bible's events were dated "BCE"(Before the year 1)
I am not a chemist
Apr 1, 2014, 7:09:11 PM4/1/14
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:32:13 PM UTC-4, MarkA wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:04:29 -0700, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>
> >>
>
> >> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> > Witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Most ancient religions are just plain silly, but you can understand their
>
> appeal to ancient people, trying to make sense of the world. There are a
>
> handful of religions that have modern origins, such as Mormonism
On the contrary, not believing in LDS makes you retarded now.
> On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:04:29 -0700, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> If the resurrection of Jesus Christ
>
> >>
>
> >> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> > Witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Most ancient religions are just plain silly, but you can understand their
>
> appeal to ancient people, trying to make sense of the world. There are a
>
> handful of religions that have modern origins, such as Mormonism
Mitchell Holman
Apr 1, 2014, 10:20:01 PM4/1/14
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Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:85fb9eb2-7f9c-49db...@googlegroups.com:
>
> Holy shit.China and Japan were not even known to Europeans until the
> 16th century.
Except for Marco Polo describing his
adventures in China in 1299. Was that not
included in your home schooling materials?
Sheesh......................
news:85fb9eb2-7f9c-49db...@googlegroups.com:
>
> Holy shit.China and Japan were not even known to Europeans until the
> 16th century.
adventures in China in 1299. Was that not
included in your home schooling materials?
Sheesh......................
Wisely Non-Theist
Apr 2, 2014, 12:48:41 AM4/2/14
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In article <a4878e03-872b-487e...@googlegroups.com>,
I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Most ancient religions are just plain silly, but you can understand their
> >
> > appeal to ancient people, trying to make sense of the world. There are a
> >
> > handful of religions that have modern origins, such as Mormonism
>
> On the contrary, not believing in LDS makes you retarded now.
No anywhere nearly as retarded as those who do.
> > Most ancient religions are just plain silly, but you can understand their
> >
> > appeal to ancient people, trying to make sense of the world. There are a
> >
> > handful of religions that have modern origins, such as Mormonism
>
> On the contrary, not believing in LDS makes you retarded now.
SkyEyes
Apr 2, 2014, 6:03:20 AM4/2/14
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Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Christopher A. Lee
Apr 2, 2014, 6:53:37 AM4/2/14
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:
>Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>
>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>
>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>
>>
>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>> liking.
>
>Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
>been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
>in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
>all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
>it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
Calvin was using a transparently false dichotomy commonly used by
dishonest apologetics, that fools stupid believers but not anybody
with more than half a brain.
As usual, the gullible idiots swallow it and stupidly repeat it.
It's so stupid that Josh MacDowell uses it in his Lord/Liar/Lunatic
silliness, itself a false trichotomy.
wrote:
>Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>
>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>
>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>
>>
>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>> liking.
>
>Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
>been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
>in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
>all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
>it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
dishonest apologetics, that fools stupid believers but not anybody
with more than half a brain.
As usual, the gullible idiots swallow it and stupidly repeat it.
It's so stupid that Josh MacDowell uses it in his Lord/Liar/Lunatic
silliness, itself a false trichotomy.
MarkA
Apr 2, 2014, 9:58:35 AM4/2/14
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I am not a chemist
Apr 2, 2014, 10:19:49 AM4/2/14
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I am not a chemist
Apr 2, 2014, 10:20:54 AM4/2/14
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If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life, as you know it can happen.
Christopher A. Lee
Apr 2, 2014, 10:30:56 AM4/2/14
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On 2 Apr 2014 13:58:35 GMT, MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:09:11 -0700, I am not a chemist wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:32:13 PM UTC-4, MarkA wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:04:29 -0700, Michael wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> If the resurrection of Jesus
>>> >> Christ
>>> >>
>>> >> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
>>> >>
>>> > Witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.
There aren't any.
>On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 16:09:11 -0700, I am not a chemist wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 3:32:13 PM UTC-4, MarkA wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:04:29 -0700, Michael wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:08:13 AM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> If the resurrection of Jesus
>>> >> Christ
>>> >>
>>> >> is a lie -- THEY KNEW IT!
>>> >>
>>> > Witnesses of the resurrection of Jesus.
All there is, is a book of religious propaganda written to tell early
Christians what to believe.
Which makes it at best, hearsay several times removed from the
original events, even if they actually happened which is doubtful -
face it, people don't die by being horribly executed and come back to
life a few days later, especially in a hot climate where they would
have started to smell - why do these morons imagine Judaism requires a
quick burial?
>>> Most ancient religions are just plain silly, but you can understand
>>> their appeal to ancient people, trying to make sense of the world.
observation and rigorous research, which provides far more accurate
answers.
>>> There are a handful of religions that have modern origins, such as
>>> Mormonism
>>
>> On the contrary, not believing in LDS makes you retarded now.
>I believe in LSD. Will that do?
Anybody who went through the Sterling currency switch of 1971 does -
and how it set off inflation because existing prices weren't just
rounded up, whenever there were price increases the new smallest
currency unit was 2.4 times the previous one.
I am not a chemist
Apr 2, 2014, 10:32:37 AM4/2/14
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On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 10:30:56 AM UTC-4, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>
> Even mainstream Christians regard Mor(m)on doctrine as silly.
>
LDS views mainstream christianity as being in apostasy.
>
> Even mainstream Christians regard Mor(m)on doctrine as silly.
>
Joe Bruno
Apr 2, 2014, 10:33:55 AM4/2/14
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On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:20:01 PM UTC-7, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> news:85fb9eb2-7f9c-49db...@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Holy shit.China and Japan were not even known to Europeans until the
>
> > 16th century.
>
>
>
>
>
> Except for Marco Polo describing his
>
> adventures in China in 1299. Was that not
>
> included in your home schooling materials?
The University of Illinois was not my home.My home was in Chicago. The U of I is in Urbana. Nice try anyway.
> Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in
>
> news:85fb9eb2-7f9c-49db...@googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
> > Holy shit.China and Japan were not even known to Europeans until the
>
> > 16th century.
>
>
>
>
>
> Except for Marco Polo describing his
>
> adventures in China in 1299. Was that not
>
> included in your home schooling materials?
>
>
>
> Sheesh......................
1299 was still 2600 years after the Exodus.
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 10:50:12 AM4/2/14
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On 4/2/2014 6:03 AM, SkyEyes wrote:
> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
> been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
> in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
> all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
> it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
Subjective and unsubstantiated personal opinion noted.
> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
> been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
> in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
> all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
> it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
Dakota
Apr 2, 2014, 11:38:54 AM4/2/14
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your entire life.
bil...@m.nu
Apr 2, 2014, 12:02:37 PM4/2/14
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Christopher A. Lee
Apr 2, 2014, 12:21:11 PM4/2/14
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 11:02:37 -0500, bil...@m.nu wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
><joebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:20:01 PM UTC-7, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:85fb9eb2-7f9c-49db...@googlegroups.com:
>>> >
>>> > Holy shit.China and Japan were not even known to Europeans until the
>>> > 16th century.
>>>
>>> Except for Marco Polo describing his
>>> adventures in China in 1299. Was that not
>>> included in your home schooling materials?
>>
>>The University of Illinois was not my home.My home was in
>>Chicago. The U of I is in Urbana. Nice try anyway.
He is as abysmally ignorant about the world beyond his religion as any
>On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
><joebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 7:20:01 PM UTC-7, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:85fb9eb2-7f9c-49db...@googlegroups.com:
>>> >
>>> > Holy shit.China and Japan were not even known to Europeans until the
>>> > 16th century.
>>>
>>> Except for Marco Polo describing his
>>> adventures in China in 1299. Was that not
>>> included in your home schooling materials?
>>
>>The University of Illinois was not my home.My home was in
>>Chicago. The U of I is in Urbana. Nice try anyway.
home-schooler.
>>> Sheesh......................
>>
>>1299 was still 2600 years after the Exodus.
>how do you know this? and how old do you think the earth is?
Wisely Non-Theist
Apr 2, 2014, 2:08:27 PM4/2/14
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In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
life and do not believe it ever happened.
I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that would
> constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life, as you know it
> can happen.
But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then raised to
> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that would
> constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life, as you know it
> can happen.
life and do not believe it ever happened.
Wisely Non-Theist
Apr 2, 2014, 2:10:28 PM4/2/14
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In article <9a2c71ec-c132-4d0b...@googlegroups.com>,
It is logically impossible that both faiths are right but quite
logically possible that both are wrong.
logically possible that both are wrong.
SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 3:10:36 PM4/2/14
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Amen.
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 4:34:19 PM4/2/14
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other single event in ancient history.
You not believing it happened is proof that you are being kept from
believing in the Resurrection.
"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are
perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of
the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the
glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
--2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (ESV)
You see, God doesn't want everyone believing the Gospel.
"So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he
wills."
--Romans 9:18 (ESV)
So now you know why just because you don't believe it happened doesn't
mean it didn't happen.
You're deluded into believing it didn't happen.
"Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe
what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe
the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
--2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (ESV)
HTH,
You're welcome.
Mitchell Holman
Apr 2, 2014, 4:47:56 PM4/2/14
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Joe Bruno <joebr...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b0d6dc75-5b58-4fb7...@googlegroups.com:
trading with Europeans as far back as the Roman
Empire, not to mention the publications of Marco
Polo in 1299.
bil...@m.nu
Apr 2, 2014, 5:22:07 PM4/2/14
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:34:19 -0400, Robert Duncan
<robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>> as you know it can happen.
>>
>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>
>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>other single event in ancient history.
>
>You not believing it happened is proof that you are being kept from
>believing in the Resurrection.
really one book that noone can really agree on about being factual..
<robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>> as you know it can happen.
>>
>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>
>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>other single event in ancient history.
>
>You not believing it happened is proof that you are being kept from
>believing in the Resurrection.
ya know that more has been written about hercules and thor who both
had human mothers than there is about this jesus guy....I guess you
are wrong :P
>
>"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are
>perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of
>the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the
>glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
> --2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (ESV)
When the theists die and go to heaven, thier god, best personified as
>"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are
>perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of
>the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the
>glory of Christ, who is the image of God."
> --2 Corinthians 4:3-4 (ESV)
Adolf Hitler, will be much abliged to see them.
Book of Atheist
>
>You see, God doesn't want everyone believing the Gospel.
rapist.
>
>"So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he
>wills."
> --Romans 9:18 (ESV)
Book of Atheist
>
>So now you know why just because you don't believe it happened doesn't
>mean it didn't happen.
>
torture in heaven.
>You're deluded into believing it didn't happen.
>
>"Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe
>what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe
>the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
> --2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (ESV)
Book of Atheist
>
>HTH,
>
>You're welcome.
>
>
Alex W
Apr 2, 2014, 6:51:52 PM4/2/14
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On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 14:17:09 -0500, Dakota wrote:
> On 4/1/2014 12:50 PM, Don Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:43:23 +0100, Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:12:20 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:24:17 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>>>>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>>>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>>>>> lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>>>>
>>>> No bullets holes in Dubya.
>>>
>>> Do the button holes in his "Mission Accomplished" flightsuit
>>> count?
>>
>> The button holes were fakes. Bush has trouble operating craft devices
>> like buttons and uses zippers only.
>>
> Bush can't operate a zipper either. He uses Velcro.
Does he use velcro, or does he have his Secret Service staff
do so for him?
> On 4/1/2014 12:50 PM, Don Martin wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:43:23 +0100, Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:12:20 -0500, Don Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:24:17 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>>>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT), linuxgal
>>>>> <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Duncan <robdu...@infoave.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For this reason ? these 12 men not only died for a lie ? and here
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is the catch ? THEY KNEW IT WAS A LIE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dunno. Four thousand US soldiers died looking for Iraqi Weapons
>>>>>> of Mass Destruction, and more than twelve of them knew that was a
>>>>>> lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad the biggest liars never got close to enemy fire.
>>>>
>>>> No bullets holes in Dubya.
>>>
>>> Do the button holes in his "Mission Accomplished" flightsuit
>>> count?
>>
>> The button holes were fakes. Bush has trouble operating craft devices
>> like buttons and uses zippers only.
>>
> Bush can't operate a zipper either. He uses Velcro.
Does he use velcro, or does he have his Secret Service staff
do so for him?
Mike Painter
Apr 2, 2014, 6:54:04 PM4/2/14
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Joe Bruno
<joebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>God did not write the Book of Genesis, fool.Moses did and what he gave us there was what he was told had happened.In those days, people attributed all major events to supernatural causes because science was in it's infancy.
>
>Damn are you ignorant.
>
The idea that Moses existed, much less wrote a book with language and
<joebr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>God did not write the Book of Genesis, fool.Moses did and what he gave us there was what he was told had happened.In those days, people attributed all major events to supernatural causes because science was in it's infancy.
>
>Damn are you ignorant.
>
usage separated by hundreds of years is something only the very
fundamental still believe.
Alex W
Apr 2, 2014, 6:55:31 PM4/2/14
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes wrote:
> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>
>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>
>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>
>>
>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>> liking.
>
> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
> been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
> in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
> all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
> it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is
> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>
>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>
>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>
>>
>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>> liking.
>
> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
> been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
> in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
> all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
> it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
one of the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was
shaped and effectively created by a man who had no personal
knowledge of the founder himself.
Christopher A. Lee
Apr 2, 2014, 7:01:45 PM4/2/14
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Mike Painter
Apr 2, 2014, 7:02:54 PM4/2/14
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>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>> as you know it can happen.
>>
>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>
>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>other single event in ancient history.
<snip>
>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>> as you know it can happen.
>>
>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>
>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>other single event in ancient history.
>HTH,
>
>You're welcome.
This was shown to be false the first time you made the claim. Here is
more evidence from other sources.
There are four conflicting stories in the Gospels. They speak of
events that probably would have been noticed by a few other people who
might have recorded them. The graves opening and the dead walking
would be among those events.
Outside of that there are no references to the event, not even in the
rest of the NT.
Contrast that with the information available from several sources that
detail the lives of famous "sports" figures in the same time frame.
http://www.tribunesandtriumphs.org/gladiators/famous-gladiators.htm
Mike Painter
Apr 2, 2014, 7:04:26 PM4/2/14
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT), I am not a chemist
<t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > On the contrary, not believing in LDS makes you retarded now.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe in LSD. Will that do?
>
>Dyslexia.
Method of sending data..
<t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > On the contrary, not believing in LDS makes you retarded now.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe in LSD. Will that do?
>
>Dyslexia.
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 7:06:57 PM4/2/14
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"For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached
by me is not man's gospel. For I did not receive it from any man, nor
was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
(Galatians 1:11-12)
I would ask if you have any proof for your assertion, but I'm 100% sure
you don't.
So I won't ask.
<smirk>
Dakota
Apr 2, 2014, 7:11:02 PM4/2/14
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SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 7:16:11 PM4/2/14
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On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:34:19 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>
> other single event in ancient history.
>
Not likely.
> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>
> other single event in ancient history.
>
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 7:18:31 PM4/2/14
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SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 7:19:37 PM4/2/14
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But the greatest evidence is when he comes down here if they stop kidnapping me.
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 7:22:35 PM4/2/14
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On 4/2/2014 7:19 PM, SAW wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:18:31 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>> On 4/2/2014 7:16 PM, SAW wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:34:19 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> other single event in ancient history.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Not likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, very true.
>
> There is more evidence for other things in history.
No. Not more evidence than the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:18:31 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>> On 4/2/2014 7:16 PM, SAW wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:34:19 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> other single event in ancient history.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Not likely.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, very true.
>
> There is more evidence for other things in history.
> But the greatest evidence is when he comes down here if they stop kidnapping me.
Well, then that's OK. Clown around some more.
SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 7:24:33 PM4/2/14
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On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:22:35 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
> On 4/2/2014 7:19 PM, SAW wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:18:31 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
> >> On 4/2/2014 7:16 PM, SAW wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:34:19 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> other single event in ancient history.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> Not likely.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Yes, very true.
>
> >
>
> > There is more evidence for other things in history.
>
>
>
> No. Not more evidence than the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
>
Stop trolling imbecile.
> On 4/2/2014 7:19 PM, SAW wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:18:31 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
> >> On 4/2/2014 7:16 PM, SAW wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:34:19 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> other single event in ancient history.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> Not likely.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Yes, very true.
>
> >
>
> > There is more evidence for other things in history.
>
>
>
> No. Not more evidence than the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
>
>
>
> > But the greatest evidence is when he comes down here if they stop kidnapping me.
>
>
>
> Oh! Wo you were just clowning around.
>
Dakota
Apr 2, 2014, 7:27:11 PM4/2/14
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Genesis is nothing but hearsay based on tales told by superstitious
primitives with no gods involved.
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 2, 2014, 7:29:14 PM4/2/14
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In article <lhi5eb$iva$1...@dont-email.me>, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:
No no no. The only person he's sweet on is Condoleezza Rice; I don't
really care, but I must confess a bit of curiosity about whether or not
they ever did it.
--
JD
³Labor is prior to and independent of capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital,
and deserves much the higher consideration.²
--Abraham Lincoln
wrote:
really care, but I must confess a bit of curiosity about whether or not
they ever did it.
--
JD
³Labor is prior to and independent of capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital,
and deserves much the higher consideration.²
--Abraham Lincoln
SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 7:29:35 PM4/2/14
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On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:27:11 PM UTC-4, Dakota wrote:
> On 4/2/2014 5:54 PM, Mike Painter wrote:
>
> > The idea that Moses existed, much less wrote a book with language and
>
> > usage separated by hundreds of years is something only the very
>
> > fundamental still believe.
>
Ahmose existed, stop being a moron.
> On 4/2/2014 5:54 PM, Mike Painter wrote:
>
> > The idea that Moses existed, much less wrote a book with language and
>
> > usage separated by hundreds of years is something only the very
>
> > fundamental still believe.
>
> >
>
> Could it be that we're making progress
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 7:30:13 PM4/2/14
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>>>> Yes, very true.
>>> There is more evidence for other things in history.
>> No. Not more evidence than the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
>>
> Stop trolling imbecile.
I'm not, you idiot. I'm trying to get more information to see who's
>>> There is more evidence for other things in history.
>> No. Not more evidence than the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
>>
> Stop trolling imbecile.
sockpuppet you are.
>>> But the greatest evidence is when he comes down here if they stop kidnapping me.
>>
>>
>>
> Stop making things up.
I'm not, you freak.
Let's see. "Imbecile" and "making things up". Who is it that uses
those a lot?
Oh, wait. I know....
See ya, you abnormal miscreant.
<smirk>
>
SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 7:31:05 PM4/2/14
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On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:30:13 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
> >>>> Yes, very true.
>
>
>
> >>> There is more evidence for other things in history.
>
>
>
> >> No. Not more evidence than the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
>
> >>
>
> > Stop trolling imbecile.
>
>
>
> I'm not, you idiot. I'm trying to get more information to see who's
>
> sockpuppet you are.
>
Not a puppet, but you are.
> >>>> Yes, very true.
>
>
>
> >>> There is more evidence for other things in history.
>
>
>
> >> No. Not more evidence than the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
>
> >>
>
> > Stop trolling imbecile.
>
>
>
> I'm not, you idiot. I'm trying to get more information to see who's
>
> sockpuppet you are.
>
>
>
> >>> But the greatest evidence is when he comes down here if they stop kidnapping me.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Oh! So you were just clowning around.
>
> >>
>
> > Stop making things up.
>
>
>
> I'm not, you freak.
>
You just made that up.
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 7:38:18 PM4/2/14
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> Not a puppet
Yes you are. I just read where you used the word "moron".
That clinched the deal.
I know who you are.
You're definitely a freak, feeling bad because nobody would respond to
you, so you had to come up with a sockpuppet.
You're a mutant miscreation if ever there was one.
SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 7:40:35 PM4/2/14
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On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
> > Not a puppet
>
>
>
> Yes you are.
Stop lying.
> > Not a puppet
>
>
>
> Yes you are.
>
> I know who you are.
>
Michael Yost.
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 7:43:25 PM4/2/14
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On 4/2/2014 7:40 PM, SAW wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> Not a puppet
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes you are.
>
> Stop lying.
Thank-you.
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>> Not a puppet
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes you are.
>
> Stop lying.
Only one person says that in 99% of his posts.
>> I know who you are.
>>
>
> Everybody knows who I am.
>
> Michael Yost.
SAW
Apr 2, 2014, 7:44:43 PM4/2/14
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I make occasional posts.
I am my own person with several emails
I have typed which emails that they are.
I am absolutely not a puppet of anyone else here.
Stop being paranoid and delusional.
If you persist in this, seek psychiatric help.
Robert Duncan
Apr 2, 2014, 7:49:39 PM4/2/14
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On 4/2/2014 7:44 PM, SAW wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:43:25 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>> On 4/2/2014 7:40 PM, SAW wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>
>>>>> Not a puppet
>>>> Yes you are.
>>> Stop lying.
>> Thank-you.
>> Only one person says that in 99% of his posts.
>>>> I know who you are.
>>> Everybody knows who I am.
>>> Michael Yost.
>> How long have you been here in a.a., "Michael"?
>
> not very long
Not very long?
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:43:25 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>> On 4/2/2014 7:40 PM, SAW wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>
>>>>> Not a puppet
>>>> Yes you are.
>>> Stop lying.
>> Thank-you.
>> Only one person says that in 99% of his posts.
>>>> I know who you are.
>>> Everybody knows who I am.
>>> Michael Yost.
>> How long have you been here in a.a., "Michael"?
>
> not very long
Then how is it that "everybody" knows who you are, "Michael"?
That's sounds like a lie, "Michael".
Are you a liar, "Michael"?
bil...@m.nu
Apr 2, 2014, 8:06:52 PM4/2/14
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bil...@m.nu
Apr 2, 2014, 8:08:29 PM4/2/14
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 16:44:43 -0700 (PDT), SAW <yos...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:43:25 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>> On 4/2/2014 7:40 PM, SAW wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>
>> >>> Not a puppet
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Yes you are.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Stop lying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only one person says that in 99% of his posts.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> I know who you are.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Everybody knows who I am.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Michael Yost.
>>
>>
>>
>> How long have you been here in a.a., "Michael"?
>
>not very long
>
>I make occasional posts.
>
>I am my own person with several emails
>I have typed which emails that they are.
>
>I am absolutely not a puppet of anyone else here.
you still does not know what a sock puppet is. tsk tsk
>On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:43:25 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>> On 4/2/2014 7:40 PM, SAW wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:38:18 PM UTC-4, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>
>> >>> Not a puppet
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Yes you are.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Stop lying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank-you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Only one person says that in 99% of his posts.
>>
>>
>>
>> >> I know who you are.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Everybody knows who I am.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Michael Yost.
>>
>>
>>
>> How long have you been here in a.a., "Michael"?
>
>not very long
>
>I make occasional posts.
>
>I am my own person with several emails
>I have typed which emails that they are.
>
>I am absolutely not a puppet of anyone else here.
Dakota
Apr 2, 2014, 9:03:21 PM4/2/14
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office that documented many White House visits by a "reporter" who was
had also been known to model on a gay website.
Alex W
Apr 3, 2014, 4:54:46 AM4/3/14
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No, really, it proved just the right motivation to open that
bottle of scotch at ten in the morning while cleaning my
loaded gun.
SkyEyes
Apr 3, 2014, 5:44:17 AM4/3/14
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Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:5qret2lv9zra
$.1wwslqo6...@40tude.net:
Of course Saul/Paul never new Jesus. Jesus existed only in Paul's mind.
--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
$.1wwslqo6...@40tude.net:
--
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34 and A+ atheist
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
Jeanne Douglas
Apr 3, 2014, 5:55:21 AM4/3/14
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walksalone
Apr 3, 2014, 6:45:43 AM4/3/14
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SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote in news:XnsA3041BDDA6C3Cskyeyes9coxnet@
78.46.70.116:
> Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:5qret2lv9zra
> $.1wwslqo6...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes wrote:
snip
>> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is
>> one of the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was
>> shaped and effectively created by a man who had no personal
>> knowledge of the founder himself.
> Of course Saul/Paul never new Jesus. Jesus existed only in Paul's mind.
Might I suggest the following light reading?
King Jesus
By Robert Graves.
One can almost see the myth come alive, & there are reasons for it being
then & there.
Not that it's historical or anything.
walksalone who was not sure to start with. But apologetic it ain't.
Grandchildren don't make a man feel old; its the knowledge that he's
married to a grandmother.
Agatha Christie
78.46.70.116:
> Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:5qret2lv9zra
> $.1wwslqo6...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes wrote:
>> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is
>> one of the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was
>> shaped and effectively created by a man who had no personal
>> knowledge of the founder himself.
> Of course Saul/Paul never new Jesus. Jesus existed only in Paul's mind.
King Jesus
By Robert Graves.
One can almost see the myth come alive, & there are reasons for it being
then & there.
Not that it's historical or anything.
walksalone who was not sure to start with. But apologetic it ain't.
Grandchildren don't make a man feel old; its the knowledge that he's
married to a grandmother.
Agatha Christie
Les Hellawell
Apr 3, 2014, 9:05:58 AM4/3/14
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:34:19 -0400, Robert Duncan
<robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>> as you know it can happen.
>>
>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
Amazing
and all the archeological evidence too.
<a cut above the rest>
>
>
>You're welcome.
Nane, address of place of meeting, and time to follow?
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
<robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>> as you know it can happen.
>>
>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>
>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>other single event in ancient history.
Even more so than for the destrction of Pompei and Herculanum?
>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>other single event in ancient history.
Amazing
and all the archeological evidence too.
<a cut above the rest>
>
>
>You're welcome.
Nane, address of place of meeting, and time to follow?
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Robert Duncan
Apr 3, 2014, 10:56:11 AM4/3/14
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Now the onus is on you to prove you're not.
But I'm 100% sure you can't.
So, I'll go ahead and call you both liars, because that's what you are.
I am not a chemist
Apr 3, 2014, 10:12:37 AM4/3/14
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I am not a chemist
Apr 3, 2014, 10:14:33 AM4/3/14
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i have several emails I use because of google posting limits.
A sockpuppeteer denies they are the person posting them to deceive.
here are my emails again
t2judgment
quarke.e2
yost536
yost_536
myost83
yost61
those are all me and my name is michael and I am not lying or hiding behind someone else trying to deceive like someone else around here ...
I am not a chemist
Apr 3, 2014, 10:16:34 AM4/3/14
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On Thursday, April 3, 2014 5:44:17 AM UTC-4, SkyEyes wrote:
> Of course Saul/Paul never new Jesus. Jesus existed only in Paul's mind.
>
The angel that appeared to me in boston only existed in my mind similarly.
> Of course Saul/Paul never new Jesus. Jesus existed only in Paul's mind.
>
Yet you caught it on surveillance.
It must be real, only different than we normally experience.
vallor
Apr 3, 2014, 10:30:09 AM4/3/14
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On 04/02/2014 04:02 PM, Mike Painter wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:34:19 -0400, Robert Duncan
> <robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>>> as you know it can happen.
>>>
>>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>>
>> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>> other single event in ancient history.
> <snip>
> On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:34:19 -0400, Robert Duncan
> <robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>>> as you know it can happen.
>>>
>>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>>
>> There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>> other single event in ancient history.
>> HTH,
>>
>> You're welcome.
>
> This was shown to be false the first time you made the claim. Here is
> more evidence from other sources.
>
>
>
> There are four conflicting stories in the Gospels. They speak of
> events that probably would have been noticed by a few other people who
> might have recorded them. The graves opening and the dead walking
> would be among those events.
>
> Outside of that there are no references to the event, not even in the
> rest of the NT.
>
> Contrast that with the information available from several sources that
> detail the lives of famous "sports" figures in the same time frame.
> http://www.tribunesandtriumphs.org/gladiators/famous-gladiators.htm
>
Matthew 27
50 Jesus shouted again with a loud voice and gave up His spirit. 51
Suddenly, the curtain of the sanctuary[a] was split in two from top to
bottom; the earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs were
also opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were
raised. 53 And they came out of the tombs after His resurrection,
entered the holy city, and appeared to many.
Two words: Zombie apocalypse!
--
-v
Christopher A. Lee
Apr 3, 2014, 10:39:25 AM4/3/14
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:05:58 +0100, Les Hellawell <l...@shant-tell.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:34:19 -0400, Robert Duncan
><robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>
>>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>>> as you know it can happen.
>>>
>>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>>
>>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>>other single event in ancient history.
>
>Even more so than for the destrction of Pompei and Herculanum?
>
>Amazing
>
>and all the archeological evidence too.
They get it from the superstars of the fundamentalist movement who
write dishonest apologetic books, are regular guests on religious TV,
in demand as guest speakers etc.
They tell the gullible and stupid what they want to hear, which must
be true because after all, one of their superstars said it.
There's a feedback loop - the superstars also believe it because they
got it from other superstars. Even the one who first said it thinks
hearing it confirms it.
And none of them ever think about it before repeating it where it is
an insult to the intelligence that they are expected to take it
seriously.
I was amazed the first time I heard it, it was from a co-worker and
phrased as "Did you know that there is more evidence.....?".
In the heart of Silly Cone Valley R&D - although he was AFAIR doing
neither the R or the D that we immigrants from countries with better
education systems were needed for, and an example of why the US wasn't
producing enough themselves.
He couldn't provide any, but it was true - and if I wanted the
evidence it was out there, all I had to do was look for it.
I never cease to be amazed and the gullibility, stupidity and
dishonesty of fundamentalists.
Even when it's a transparently obvious lie that is an insult to the
thinking mind.
Because they don't think themselves.
The particularly stupid ones repeat the lie, and unfortunately expect
it to be believed - after all, they believe it and they wouldn't if it
weren't true, right?
I think they honestly don't expect to be treated as idiots or liars
for it.
wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:34:19 -0400, Robert Duncan
><robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>
>>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>>>> as you know it can happen.
>>>
>>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>>
>>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>>other single event in ancient history.
>
>Even more so than for the destrction of Pompei and Herculanum?
>
>Amazing
>
>and all the archeological evidence too.
write dishonest apologetic books, are regular guests on religious TV,
in demand as guest speakers etc.
They tell the gullible and stupid what they want to hear, which must
be true because after all, one of their superstars said it.
There's a feedback loop - the superstars also believe it because they
got it from other superstars. Even the one who first said it thinks
hearing it confirms it.
And none of them ever think about it before repeating it where it is
an insult to the intelligence that they are expected to take it
seriously.
I was amazed the first time I heard it, it was from a co-worker and
phrased as "Did you know that there is more evidence.....?".
In the heart of Silly Cone Valley R&D - although he was AFAIR doing
neither the R or the D that we immigrants from countries with better
education systems were needed for, and an example of why the US wasn't
producing enough themselves.
He couldn't provide any, but it was true - and if I wanted the
evidence it was out there, all I had to do was look for it.
I never cease to be amazed and the gullibility, stupidity and
dishonesty of fundamentalists.
Even when it's a transparently obvious lie that is an insult to the
thinking mind.
Because they don't think themselves.
The particularly stupid ones repeat the lie, and unfortunately expect
it to be believed - after all, they believe it and they wouldn't if it
weren't true, right?
I think they honestly don't expect to be treated as idiots or liars
for it.
Saint Michael
Apr 3, 2014, 10:46:16 AM4/3/14
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On Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:39:25 AM UTC-4, Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:05:58 +0100, Les Hellawell <l...@shant-tell.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:34:19 -0400, Robert Duncan
>
> ><robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>On 4/2/2014 2:08 PM, Wisely Non-Theist wrote:
>
> >>> In article <85440bf4-55a0-4007...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> >>> I am not a chemist <t2jud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> If someone dead and gone, buried, etc, was raised to life, that
>
> >>>> would constitute indirect evidence of christ being raised to life,
>
> >>>> as you know it can happen.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> But I have never seen someone dead and gone, buried, etc, then
>
> >>> raised to life and do not believe it ever happened.
>
> >>
>
> >>There is more evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any
>
> >>other single event in ancient history.
>
> >
>
> >Even more so than for the destrction of Pompei and Herculanum?
>
> >
>
> >Amazing
>
> >
>
> >and all the archeological evidence too.
>
>
>
> They get it from the superstars
with your condescending tone as if you have a brain.
Then people who don't know not aware that is what is going on, may think there is some kind of honest discussion or debate taking place, when there is not.
vallor
Apr 3, 2014, 10:52:02 AM4/3/14
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On 04/02/2014 03:55 PM, Alex W wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes wrote:
>
>> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>>
>>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>>
>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>>
>>>
>>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>>> liking.
>>
>> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
>> been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
>> in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
>> all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
>> it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
>
> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is
> one of the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was
> shaped and effectively created by a man who had no personal
> knowledge of the founder himself.
>
In fact, there's evidence that all three (3) (I think it was three, some
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes wrote:
>
>> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>>
>>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>>
>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
>>>
>>>
>>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>>> liking.
>>
>> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of having
>> been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and worshipped existed
>> in "outer space," if you will allow me to use an anachronism. Paul is
>> all about personal revelation. What he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as
>> it was an account of a personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
>
> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is
> one of the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was
> shaped and effectively created by a man who had no personal
> knowledge of the founder himself.
>
low number) historic references to the Jesus of the Gospels in Paul's
epistles are interpolations.
And since Paul's writings predate the Gospels, is it too much of a
stretch to consider that Paul may have created a "Jesus-shaped hole" in
history, to be later filled in by the pious?
After all, out of all the gospels (and apocalypses, for that matter)
that were floating around at the time, the criteria for which ones ended
up in the Canon seemed to be "this agrees with the status quo".
And BTW: heaven help you if you didn't agree with that "status quo" --
in that situation, you'd be labeled a heretic, and your life was in
danger. Sort of like how the Christian right -- especially the
"dominionists" -- wants things to be today.
So let's keep them away from any political power, mmkay?
For a little balance, thought I'd mention that there was a Christian
that lived during the Great Awakening that preached that the miracles in
the Bible didn't happen, and really weren't important to (how he saw)
"Christianity" anyway. Theodore Parker -- Unitarian minister and
transcendentalist.
Finally, getting back to the OP -- Mr. Duncan, have you considered how
you will feel if your attempts at conversion -- "the great commission"
-- earn you a spot in Heaven, where you can look down on all your
less-fanatical friends sizzling in Hell? Does that sound like the kind
of thing a good God would inflict on his "flock"?
And what does your "God-given" conscience tell you about preaching such
an obvious libel against God, putting God in one of the worst possible
lights?
Signed,
A Unitarian Universalist.
--
-v
Christopher A. Lee
Apr 3, 2014, 11:27:35 AM4/3/14
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 09:44:17 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net>
wrote:
>Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:5qret2lv9zra
>$.1wwslqo6...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes wrote:
>>
>>> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>>>
>>>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
Straight out of Josh MacDowell's "Evidence That Deserves A Verdict".
Which is a collection of transparent fallacies from first to last
page.
This particular false dilemma ("they wouldn't have died for a lie so
it must be the truth") leaves out dying for a belief.
MacDowell used it as part of the "justification" for his
Lord/Liar/Lunatic false trilemma, to "refute" the liar part.
>>>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>>>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>>>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>>>> liking.
>>>
>>> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of
>>> having been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and
>>> worshipped existed in "outer space," if you will allow me to use
>>> an anachronism. Paul is all about personal revelation. What
>>> he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as it was an account of a
>>> personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
Temporal lobe epilepsy is certainly one of the suggestions.
>> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is
>> one of the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was
>> shaped and effectively created by a man who had no personal
>> knowledge of the founder himself.
>
>Of course Saul/Paul never new Jesus. Jesus existed only in Paul's mind.
Jesus hadn't even been invented then.
Paul's Christianity is about a spirit called Christ. Jesus came later
when the Gospels were written for the Mediterranean Gentiles as
Christianity was transforming from a minor Jewish sect to a religion
for a completely different group. Jesus is basically what these
Gentiles expected of a hero figure, and the stories parallel those of
Hercules, Orpheus, Perseus and other Greek heroes.
Whoever wrote the Gospels got basic historical and geographical
details wrong, and the "prophecies" were from a Greek version of the
OT, mistranslations and all so it is clear that their authors (well,
three of the four) didn't even speak Hebrew.
The Geographical errors are rather like an Italian composer writing an
opera set in England with a scene set in "a bandit camp in the
mountains outside Liverpool" (Donizetti, Emilia di Liverpool) Or
Shakespeare setting a play in a Verona that is more English than
Italian.
wrote:
>Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:5qret2lv9zra
>$.1wwslqo6...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:03:20 +0000 (UTC), SkyEyes wrote:
>>
>>> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:aaac025d-e510-4012...@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:08:13 AM UTC-5, Robert Duncan wrote:
>>>>> FOR A LIE. . .?
>>>>>
>>>>> KNOWING IT WAS A LIE!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no way, these 12 men could have all been deceived.
Which is a collection of transparent fallacies from first to last
page.
This particular false dilemma ("they wouldn't have died for a lie so
it must be the truth") leaves out dying for a belief.
MacDowell used it as part of the "justification" for his
Lord/Liar/Lunatic false trilemma, to "refute" the liar part.
>>>> A fictional account of twelve fictional men? Now Saul of Tarsus was
>>>> probably a real person because he was an obvious liar and an
>>>> opportunistic asshat who tried to redefine everything to his own
>>>> liking.
>>>
>>> Saul of Tarsus was, at minimum, an epileptic, and shows signs of
>>> having been a schizophrenic as well. The Jesus he knew and
>>> worshipped existed in "outer space," if you will allow me to use
>>> an anachronism. Paul is all about personal revelation. What
>>> he wrote wasn't a "lie" so much as it was an account of a
>>> personal fugue state he frequently slipped into.
>> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is
>> one of the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was
>> shaped and effectively created by a man who had no personal
>> knowledge of the founder himself.
>
>Of course Saul/Paul never new Jesus. Jesus existed only in Paul's mind.
Paul's Christianity is about a spirit called Christ. Jesus came later
when the Gospels were written for the Mediterranean Gentiles as
Christianity was transforming from a minor Jewish sect to a religion
for a completely different group. Jesus is basically what these
Gentiles expected of a hero figure, and the stories parallel those of
Hercules, Orpheus, Perseus and other Greek heroes.
Whoever wrote the Gospels got basic historical and geographical
details wrong, and the "prophecies" were from a Greek version of the
OT, mistranslations and all so it is clear that their authors (well,
three of the four) didn't even speak Hebrew.
The Geographical errors are rather like an Italian composer writing an
opera set in England with a scene set in "a bandit camp in the
mountains outside Liverpool" (Donizetti, Emilia di Liverpool) Or
Shakespeare setting a play in a Verona that is more English than
Italian.
Mike Painter
Apr 3, 2014, 12:45:25 PM4/3/14
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 20:03:21 -0500, Dakota <ma...@NOSPAMmail.com>
wrote:
>
>There was a drawn out set of threads at alt.politics.bush when he was in
>office that documented many White House visits by a "reporter" who was
>had also been known to model on a gay website.
That would help him get a head.
wrote:
>
>There was a drawn out set of threads at alt.politics.bush when he was in
>office that documented many White House visits by a "reporter" who was
>had also been known to model on a gay website.
Mike Painter
Apr 3, 2014, 12:54:09 PM4/3/14
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:06:57 -0400, Robert Duncan
<robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>
>> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is one of
>> the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was shaped and
>> effectively created by a man who had no personal knowledge of the
>> founder himself.
>
>Of course the Bible says you're a liar.
<robdu...@infoave.net> wrote:
>
>> Not to quibble, Fid, but Saul/Paul never knew Jesus. It is one of
>> the more delicious quirks of Christianity that it was shaped and
>> effectively created by a man who had no personal knowledge of the
>> founder himself.
>
>
>"For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached
>by me is not man's gospel. For I did not receive it from any man, nor
>was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
>(Galatians 1:11-12)
>
>I would ask if you have any proof for your assertion, but I'm 100% sure
>you don't.
>
>So I won't ask.
>
><smirk>
If, as most Christians argue, Jesus was a man, then Paul's comment
means just what was stated, he received it as a revelation.
Mike Painter
Apr 3, 2014, 1:00:30 PM4/3/14
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'cause it doesn't matter really, back to back Belly to belly at the
zombie jamboree"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdRI2Y8fGcI
Alex W
Apr 3, 2014, 1:20:33 PM4/3/14
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 09:39:25 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
Two basic facts about human psychology work in their favour.
Firstly, even a bald-faced lie is more likely to be believed
than factually accurate and evidenced information if it is
presented with sufficiently enthusiastic conviction. IOW,
make the other believe that you yourself *really* believe
the tripe you present with all your heart, and he is ready
to accept your version of events.
Secondly, the bigger the lie the easier it is to persuade
people to believe it.
wrote:
Firstly, even a bald-faced lie is more likely to be believed
than factually accurate and evidenced information if it is
presented with sufficiently enthusiastic conviction. IOW,
make the other believe that you yourself *really* believe
the tripe you present with all your heart, and he is ready
to accept your version of events.
Secondly, the bigger the lie the easier it is to persuade
people to believe it.
Dakota
Apr 3, 2014, 2:41:44 PM4/3/14
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Free Lunch
Apr 3, 2014, 6:30:23 PM4/3/14
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 09:54:46 +0100, Alex W <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
alt.atheism:
Is it really worse than Tony and Cherie?
alt.atheism:
Free Lunch
Apr 3, 2014, 6:31:00 PM4/3/14
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 09:54:09 -0700, Mike Painter
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
Probably by the same means as John.
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
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