The Bible contradicts itself? Well, what the hell else would you expect?

[Ted]

It was written during a 1500* year time span
by scores of different authors with varying
agendas. Of course it's gonna contradict
itself!

And it's always so amusing to watch you
lying fundies make asses of yourselves
attempting to explain away the
contradictions. LOL. :-)

* a tiny bit can be traced back to before
1000 BCE and some of the NT was written
well into the 2nd century CE.

[Africa-Has-No-Other-Boss-But-Jesus]

Why do you seem to be thinking that SOLA SCRIPTURA is a valid reading approach of the Bible?
Sola Scriptura involves reading the TEXT from cover to cover...
Yet that's precisely what you have been criticizing since there is no contradiction
in the Law given to Moses which Law the Messiah(Christ) affirmed, and opened up to the rest of the nations
on earth through a brand new and inclusive Covenant. This is why it is written: "Messiah(Christ) is a new Moses...,"
or a Prophet(Messenger) in the likeness of Moses. In other words Christ(Messiah) resolved those contradictions
which cannot be reduced to mere intellectual exercises and ego tripping.

YOU ARE REALLY LACKING IN UNDERSTANDING... Sometime I have to wonder why your mother didn't abort you !

[Viktor Tandofsky]

Tell us who here is a fundamentalist. Let's see if you are babbling bullshit again.

[Ted]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 10:57:05 -0800 (PST),
Africa-Has-No-Other-Boss-But-Jesus <africahas...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 1:17:34 PM UTC-5, Jack Sovalot
wrote:
> > It was written during a 1500* year time span
> > by scores of different authors with varying
> > agendas. Of course it's gonna contradict
> > itself!
> >
> > And it's always so amusing to watch you
> > lying fundies make asses of yourselves
> > attempting to explain away the
> > contradictions. LOL. :-)
> >
> > * a tiny bit can be traced back to before
> > 1000 BCE and some of the NT was written
> > well into the 2nd century CE.


> Why do you seem to be thinking that SOLA
> SCRIPTURA is a valid reading approach of
> the Bible?

LOL. I don't.

> Sola Scriptura involves reading the TEXT from cover to cover...
> Yet that's precisely what you have been criticizing since there is
no contradiction
> in the Law given to Moses which Law the Messiah(Christ) affirmed,
and opened up to the rest of the nations
> on earth through a brand new and inclusive Covenant. This is why it
is written: "Messiah(Christ) is a new Moses...,"
> or a Prophet(Messenger) in the likeness of Moses. In other words
Christ(Messiah) resolved those contradictions
> which cannot be reduced to mere
> intellectual exercises and ego tripping.

The nonexistent Yahweh had nothing to do with writing the Bible.

> YOU ARE REALLY LACKING IN
> UNDERSTANDING... Sometime I have to
> wonder why your mother didn't abort you !

It would have been the luckiest thing ever to
happen to me. I envy my aborted brother.

[Ted]

Certainly Duncan and Andrew. And apparently Robert. James. Dunno
about MX.

[Viktor Tandofsky]

WRONG. Bob Duncan accepts ID which is not in the bible. I knew you are full of shit, you babbling jackass.

[Ted]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 11:35:53 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky

Oh Christ, Artie, ask him yourself. He bases
his predestination belief on a literal reading
of certain Bible passages. The fucker is a
fundy.

[Ted]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 11:35:53 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky

I believe you, ArtyJoe, as I'm sure Duncan must discuss the Bible
with you while his dick is rammed up your ass or when you're sucking
it.

[Ted]

Duncan and ArtyJoe are homosexual lovers.

[Oko Tillo]

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 12:35:56 PM UTC-7, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 11:19:11 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
> > <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 10:17:34 AM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot
> > wrote:
> > > > It was written during a 1500* year time span
> > > > by scores of different authors with varying
> > > > agendas. Of course it's gonna contradict
> > > > itself!
> > > >
> > > > And it's always so amusing to watch you
> > > > lying fundies make asses of yourselves
> > > > attempting to explain away the
> > > > contradictions. LOL. :-)
> > > >
> > > > * a tiny bit can be traced back to before
> > > > 1000 BCE and some of the NT was written
> > > > well into the 2nd century CE.
> >
> >
> > > Tell us who here is a fundamentalist. Let's
> > > see if you are babbling bullshit again.

//

> > Certainly Duncan and Andrew. And apparently Robert. James. Dunno
> > about MX.

> WRONG. Bob Duncan accepts ID which is not in the bible.

Intelligent <sic> design is a form of Creationism.
It claims that God created life.
Which is exactly what the Bible teaches.

And Jack is right about Andrew being a fundie;
he takes the Book of Genesis as word for word truth.

(of course he also shamelessly quote mines Scripture out
of context, but that's another story)


Sri

[Michael McLean]

I have never found it to contradict itself.

The truth has always been about truth. Whether there were 3 wise men,
or 2 wise men, or 10 wise men, or even wise at all, it doesn't matter.
The point is why did they come?

Did Saul see something and not hear anything, or did Saul/Paul hear
something and not see anything, it doesn't matter. The Lord contacted
him. The point is why?

You see, men are ***imperfect***, and they will translate, convolute,
transform anything into anything, but the overarching truth is hard to
manipulate. Jesus came, He left His indelible mark that will never be
removed. The point is why? The minutia is just entanglement and you'll
find that in anything.

For instance, if I was in the Indy 500, would I be concerned whether the
car in front of me is a black or a grey colour? I can be, but what
would be the point? And the point is what the bible is all about.



Mike

--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do, it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"The Bible cannot baptize. No one was ever saved by reading the Bible.
Mechanical or methodical salvation is just more Pharisee bureaucracy.
Men are saved after their conviction, death sentence, and resurrection
in baptism--the baptism of the Holy Spirit." - Nightbulb

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven."

[Viktor Tandofsky]

The bible consists of different books written by different people at different times. It was not written as a single story. Different authors have different views and see things differently.

[Ted]

Exactly. Thank you, Artie.

[Ted]

You make a good point. Thanks.

[Mitchell Holman]

Viktor Tandofsky <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d2bb99a0-2cc0-45ae...@googlegroups.com:

But your Torah was all written by
one person, Moses.

If what he wrote in Genesis is a
lie why do you believe ANYTHING in the
remaining four books?

[Mitchell Holman]

Viktor Tandofsky <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:d08c4d3e-5325-4e8a...@googlegroups.com:

What do YOU accept as the best
explanation for the origin of species?

(Watch Artie/Joe run away from
this guestion as he always does)

[teslaStinker]

Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> It was written during a 1500* year time spanby scores of different authors with varyingagendas. Of course it's gonna contradictitself!And it's always so amusing to watch youlying fundies make asses of yourselvesattempting to explain away thecontradictions. LOL. :-)* a tiny bit can be traced back to before1000 BCE and some of the NT was writtenwell into the 2nd century CE.

It may do that, but it's like you say differ times. Differ
circumstances. The reason for Jesus. Cause the jews ignored
The Precepts. Made their own religion. It's very hard to be a
king. The true Bible also says this. It's very hard to follow
the true religion correctly. It always has been. Mainly because
God does not change. Meaning neither does His Divine Law...This
is also his quote in the true Scripture.
--
Daniel

[Viktor Tandofsky]

This comes from the same fraudulent clown who claims I think evolution is a conspiracy even tho I said no such thing. He claims I think T-Rex skeleteons are fakes, something I NEVER said. FRAUD

[Ted]

Reasonable.

[Ted]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 09:19:52 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
<vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:13:04 AM UTC-8, teslaStinker wrote:
> > Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> > > It was written during a 1500* year time spanby scores of

different auth=

> ors with varyingagendas. Of course it's gonna contradictitself!And

it's alw=

> ays so amusing to watch youlying fundies make asses of

yourselvesattempting=

> to explain away thecontradictions. LOL. :-)* a tiny bit can be

traced back=

> to before1000 BCE and some of the NT was writtenwell into the 2nd

century =

> CE.
> >
> > It may do that, but it's like you say differ times. Differ
> > circumstances. The reason for Jesus. Cause the jews ignored
> > The Precepts. Made their own religion. It's very hard to be a
> > king. The true Bible also says this. It's very hard to follow
> > the true religion correctly. It always has been. Mainly because
> > God does not change. Meaning neither does His Divine Law...This
> > is also his quote in the true Scripture.
> > --
> > Daniel

> Judaism came first 1000 years before
> Jesus.


LOL. Or much earlier. Or much later. Depends on how you define it.
But it was certainly well before Jesus (who was a devout Jew).

[JWS]

Old Testament: "Here is the truth."
New Testament: "No, HERE is the truth."
Religion today: "No, only I have the truth."

[Viktor Tandofsky]

There is no true religion. Religion is a matter of what someone chooses to believe.

[hhya...@gmail.com]

All fundamentalists are fundies who are brainless, unable to understand all the BS in the fake bible!!!

[hhya...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:47:39 AM UTC+8, Michael McLean wrote:
> On 8/01/2023 5:17 am, Ted wrote:
> > It was written during a 1500* year time span
> > by scores of different authors with varying
> > agendas. Of course it's gonna contradict
> > itself!
> >
> > And it's always so amusing to watch you
> > lying fundies make asses of yourselves
> > attempting to explain away the
> > contradictions. LOL. :-)
> >
> > * a tiny bit can be traced back to before
> > 1000 BCE and some of the NT was written
> > well into the 2nd century CE.
> I have never found it to contradict itself.

Because it has cracked your tiny brainless head into pieces!!!

[hhya...@gmail.com]

> The bible consists of different books written by different people at different times. It was not written as a single story. Different authors have different views and see things differently.

If so, how could it be the words from a non-existent pixie when all the stories were man construct?

[hhya...@gmail.com]

You are just a fundie, without a functional head to see through the evilness of Western religions which are merely scammers!!!!

[Ted]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 12:01:58 -0800 (PST), JWS <jld...@skybeam.com>

> Old Testament: "Here is the truth."
> New Testament: "No, HERE is the truth."
> Religion today: "No, only I have the truth."

One might hope that somewhere along the line they'd realize it's all
bullshit (but unfortunately they never do).

[Mitchell Holman]

Viktor Tandofsky <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:15e90d0a-7e79-423f...@googlegroups.com:

Then why do you care of people choose not to "believe" at all?

[Ted]

Exactly.

And Moses didn't write one word of the Torah.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> wrote in news:almarsoft.2434992351526423925
@news.easynews.com:

Moses didn't even exist.






ARCHEOLOGISTS AGREE: MOSES NEVER EXISTED.
1 Jan 8, 2012

The main book of Judaism, called the Torah (the first
5 books of the Old Testament, "OT") is filled with
stories of a man called Moses, the story of Exodus
and the persecution of Jews by an Egyptian king who
allegedly enslaved them.

The Torah is obvious mythology. The fact that it is
fiction is obvious from Book 1, Page 1. The Earth is
not 4000 years old. Cultures (unknown to the scribes)
flourished much before. Written records and archeological
evidence using carbon dating show man's presence tens
of thousands of years ago, probably over a 100,000 years
ago. A million people cannot live in a vast desert
(without water or food) in a hostile nation for 40 years-
-and leave no trace.

The techniques of higher criticism showed that the Old
Testament was weaved together out of four source documents
and was produced much later than claimed.

Furthermore, archaelogical and historical evidence has
proven Moses, Exodus, Abraham, Joshua, King David, etc.
to be basically myths copied from African and Eastern/
Middle Eastern cultures.

For eg., according to Prof. Ze'ev Herzog who teaches
in the Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern
Studies at Tel Aviv University, in "Deconstructing the
Walls of Jericho", states as follows:

"This is what archaeologists have learned from their
excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were
never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not
conquer the land in a military campaign and did not
pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even
harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy
of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible
as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom.
..... Most of those who are engaged in scientific work
in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology
and the history of the Jewish people - and who once went
into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible
story - now agree that the historic events relating to
the stages of the Jewish people's emergence are radically
different from what that story tells." (in an article in
the Jewish magazine Haaretz, as republished on):

http://tinyurl.com/q2sxvmp

[He Kicked Their Jewish Butts Out Of The Land]

On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 2:28:55 PM UTC-5, Jack Sovalot wrote:


> > wonder why your mother didn't abort you !
> It would have been the luckiest thing ever to
> happen to me. I envy my aborted brother.


A foetus is now your aborted sister? So why do you think your mother should not be arrested for murder?

[teslaStinker]

Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 09:12:58 -0800 (PST), teslaStinker <ser...@truecarpentry.org> wrote:> Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> > It was written during a 1500* year time spanby scores of different authors with varyingagendas. Of course it's gonna contradictitself!And it's always so amusing to watch youlying fundies make asses of yourselvesattempting to explain away thecontradictions. LOL. :-)* a tiny bit can be traced back to before1000 BCE and some of the NT was writtenwell into the 2nd century CE.> It may do that, but it's like you say differ times. Differ> circumstances. The reason for Jesus. Cause the jews ignored> The Precepts. Made their own religion. It's very hard to be a> king. The true Bible also says this. It's very hard to follow> the true religion correctly. It always has been. Mainly because> God does not change. Meaning neither does His Divine Law...This> is also his quote in the true Scripture. > -- > DanielReasonable.

700 years before Christ book of Daniel.

This is the only online copy that has all the books all 73, an
explanation at the beginning of each book when and who, and a
chronography and a time line before an after....dates and names
of people. So to identify the date you must use the names in
the books to see when it took place. It makes you more wise
about the Bible as long as you use it....

https://truecarpentry.org/tccwww/cathwww/dogma/catholicbooks/HolyB
ible/titlepg.htm
--
Daniel

[teslaStinker]

teslaStinker <ser...@truecarpentry.org> Wrote in message:r
> Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 09:12:58 -0800 (PST), teslaStinker <ser...@truecarpentry.org> wrote:> Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> > It was written during a 1500* year time spanby scores of different authors with varyingagendas. Of course it's gonna contradictitself!And it's always so amusing to watch youlying fundies make asses of yourselvesattempting to explain away thecontradictions. LOL. :-)* a tiny bit can be traced back to before1000 BCE and some of the NT was writtenwell into the 2nd century CE.> It may do that, but it's like you say differ times. Differ> circumstances. The reason for Jesus. Cause the jews ignored> The Precepts. Made their own religion. It's very hard to be a> king. The true Bible also says this. It's very hard to follow> the true religion correctly. It always has been. Mainly because> God does not change. Meaning neither does His Divine Law...This> is also his quote in the true Scripture. > -- > DanielReasonable.700 years before Christ book of Daniel. This is the only online copy that has all the books all 73, an explanation at the beginning of each book when and who, and a chronography and a time line before an after....dates and names of people. So to identify the date you must use the names in the books to see when it took place. It makes you more wise about the Bible as long as you use it....https://truecarpentry.org/tccwww/cathwww/dogma/catholicbooks/HolyBible/titlepg.htm-- Daniel

[Ted]

On Mon, 09 Jan 2023 03:20:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman

Thanks Mitchell. You might enjoy reading Finkelstein and Silberman
"Bible Unearthed". They mention all of the above (plus a lot more).

[Ted]

On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 09:47:06 -0800 (PST), teslaStinker

<ser...@truecarpentry.org> wrote:
> Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

> 700 years before Christ book of Daniel.


> This is the only online copy that has all the books all 73, an
> explanation at the beginning of each book when and who, and a
> chronography and a time line before an after....dates and names
> of people. So to identify the date you must use the names in
> the books to see when it took place. It makes you more wise
> about the Bible as long as you use it....

>
https://truecarpentry.org/tccwww/cathwww/dogma/catholicbooks/HolyB
> ible/titlepg.htm
> --
> Daniel

Thanks.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> wrote in news:almarsoft.6413137862735693593
@news.easynews.com:

Artie/Joe hates being disproven by Jewish sources.........;)

[Ted]

On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 02:20:53 +0000, Mitchell Holman

LOL that's true!

[teslaStinker]

Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 09:47:06 -0800 (PST), teslaStinker <ser...@truecarpentry.org> wrote:> Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> 700 years before Christ book of Daniel. > This is the only online copy that has all the books all 73, an> explanation at the beginning of each book when and who, and a> chronography and a time line before an after....dates and names> of people. So to identify the date you must use the names in> the books to see when it took place. It makes you more wise> about the Bible as long as you use it....> https://truecarpentry.org/tccwww/cathwww/dogma/catholicbooks/HolyB> ible/titlepg.htm> -- > DanielThanks.

Look at this... think hard now....

ST LUKE

Look at this.... Jesus said this...... St Luke,
52 Woe to you lawyers, for you have taken away the key of
knowledge. You yourselves have not entered in: and those that
were entering in, you have hindered.

They changed all the books, taking away the key of knowledge.
When He said this they all got real mad at Him. READ the rest.
Dam Wolves. That's why I put up that real Bible online so they
read this part.
Makes sense right...?


--
Daniel

[teslaStinker]

Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 09:47:06 -0800 (PST), teslaStinker <ser...@truecarpentry.org> wrote:> Ted <tedsm...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> 700 years before Christ book of Daniel. > This is the only online copy that has all the books all 73, an> explanation at the beginning of each book when and who, and a> chronography and a time line before an after....dates and names> of people. So to identify the date you must use the names in> the books to see when it took place. It makes you more wise> about the Bible as long as you use it....> https://truecarpentry.org/tccwww/cathwww/dogma/catholicbooks/HolyBible/titlepg.htm> --

> Daniel

Sorry bout the link. They broke the hyperlink. You have to type
it in address bar yourself the last little bit

[Oko Tillo]

Who? Me or Bobbo?

>who claims I think evolution is a conspiracy even tho I said no such thing.
> He claims I think T-Rex skeleteons are fakes, something I NEVER said. FRAUD

So, that would be me.

And I never said that you think that T.rex skeletons are fake; I ASKED you
you if you thought that is the case.

Remember?
Apparently not.

[You]:
Nobody has ever seen a whale walk on land
or a T-Rex.

[Me]:
Seriously? You think that all those T. rex skeletons in museums
around the world are fakes?
Is that what you're claiming?



Get it now?
I *asked* you if you thought they were fakes,
I did *not* say that that you wrote that "I think T-Rex skeleteons are fakes"

Get the difference between claiming that you meant something
and asking if you meant something?

You know, that little '?' at the end of my sentence.
Get it now?

Funny how the alleged "FRAUD" disappears when you actually
read what I said, isn't it?


Sri

[Frank Lee]

It's common for kooks to confuse questions with
statements. Artie's not alone there.

[Viktor Tandofsky]

Wrong, fool. The asshole completely manufactured things I never said.
The question mark means nothing. That lying scum is just making excuses.
You are as big a liar as he is.

[Viktor Tandofsky]

MORE EXCUSES FROM THE TOTAL FRAUD. Your questions in that context were accusations. You are not fooling anybody.

[Oko Tillo]

//

> > >who claims I think evolution is a conspiracy even tho I said no such thing.

No, liar boi, I never said that you think evolution is some kind of "conspiracy".

Disagree?
Then let's see exactly what I did say, a direct quote, chapter and verse.
With a link to that post.
Go:

> > > He claims I think T-Rex skeleteons are fakes, something I NEVER said. FRAUD
> > So, that would be me
.
> > And I never said that you think that T.rex skeletons are fake; I ASKED you
> > you if you thought that is the case.

> > Remember?
> > Apparently not.

> > [You]:
> > Nobody has ever seen a whale walk on land
> > or a T-Rex.

> > [Me]:
> > Seriously? You think that all those T. rex skeletons in museums
> > around the world are fakes?
> > Is that what you're claiming?

> > Get it now?
> > I *asked* you if you thought they were fakes,
> > I did *not* say that that you wrote that "I think T-Rex skeleteons are fakes"

> > Get the difference between claiming that you meant something
> > and asking if you meant something?

> > You know, that little '?' at the end of my sentence.
> > Get it now?
>
> > Funny how the alleged "FRAUD" disappears when you actually
> > read what I said, isn't it?

> MORE EXCUSES

You misspelled "correcting your lie about what I wrote".

> FROM THE TOTAL FRAUD. Your questions in that context were accusations.

Nope, they were asking you to clarify what you meant.

Exactly that.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Now if you want to wrap yourself in the mantle of outraged innocence,
you go right ahead.

But it's dollars to donuts that no one will believe you either.
I'm quite confident that all the regular posters know you
for exactly what you are.


Sri

[Oko Tillo]

//

> > It's common for kooks to confuse questions with
> > statements. Artie's not alone there.

> Wrong, fool. The asshole completely manufactured things I never said.

Did I?
"Completely manufactured", eh?

Let's see the exact quote. With a link.
Right here:


Sri

[Frank Lee]

Are you crazy?

Are you just lying?

Are you drinking too much?

Are you a fake navy vet too?

[Oko Tillo]

//

> > > > Funny how the alleged "FRAUD" disappears when you actually
> > > > read what I said, isn't it?

> > > It's common for kooks to confuse questions with
> > > statements. Artie's not alone there.

> > Wrong, fool. The asshole completely manufactured things I never said.
> > The question mark means nothing. That lying scum is just making excuses.
> > You are as big a liar as he is.

> Are you crazy?

> Are you just lying?

> Are you drinking too much?

Now now now ....

I gave Artie the chance to prove his claims:

"Let's see the exact quote. With a link.
Right here:"

I'm sure he'll be providing his evidence.

Any minute now.

Right?

> Are you a fake navy vet too?

No, actually he's telling the truth there -- check his Facebook page.


Sri

[Ted]

LOL. Of course.

[Teresita]

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 9:13:04 AM UTC-8, teslaStinker wrote:

> It may do that, but it's like you say differ times. Differ
> circumstances. The reason for Jesus. Cause the jews ignored
> The Precepts. Made their own religion. It's very hard to be a
> king. The true Bible also says this. It's very hard to follow
> the true religion correctly. It always has been. Mainly because
> God does not change.

God does not change. Good one.

1 Samuel 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

[Andrew]

"Teresita" wrote in message news:46f7ef7e-6561-4afd...@googlegroups.com...

Man's repentance implies a change of mind. But God's
repentance implies a change of relation to Him,. As in
the incident with Saul's disobedience that you referred
to above.

With Him there is,

"no variableness, neither shadow of turning"
James 1:17

[Teresita]

On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 8:39:27 PM UTC-8, Andrew wrote:

> Man's repentance implies a change of mind. But God's
> repentance implies a change of relation to Him,. As in
> the incident with Saul's disobedience that you referred
> to above.
>
> With Him there is,
>
> "no variableness, neither shadow of turning"
> James 1:17

And yet God changed from a being with no human body to a being with a human body. Go figure.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

[Andrew]

"Teresita" wrote in message news:1dd3105f-7eb7-40b4...@googlegroups.com...

>Andrew wrote:
>
>> Man's repentance implies a change of mind. But God's
>> repentance implies a change of relation to Him,. As in
>> the incident with Saul's disobedience that you referred
>> to above.
>>
>> With Him there is,
>>
>> "no variableness, neither shadow of turning"
>> James 1:17
>
> And yet God changed from a being with no human body
> to a being with a human body. Go figure.

That you may have salvation. Go figure.

[Oko Tillo]

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 1:34:43 AM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
> "Teresita" wrote in message news:1dd3105f-7eb7-40b4...@googlegroups.com...
> >Andrew wrote:
> >
> >> Man's repentance implies a change of mind. But God's
> >> repentance implies a change of relation to Him,. As in
> >> the incident with Saul's disobedience that you referred
> >> to above.
> >>
> >> With Him there is,
> >>
> >> "no variableness, neither shadow of turning"
> >> James 1:17
> >

//

> > And yet God changed from a being with no human body
> > to a being with a human body. Go figure.

> That you may have salvation. Go figure.

In other words, your God split off a part of Himself
to be crucified as a sacrifice of Himself to Himself
to assuage His anger over people having turned
out exactly the way He knew they would even before
He created them, so that He could now allow Himself not
to send them all to perdition.

Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Though I will add that it is consistent with the Old Testament
story of a God who demanded animals be killed to make Him happy.
The first four chapters of Leviticus talk about nothing other than
how to kill animals for Him.

Animals who of course had no say in the matter whatsoever.

Some "God".


Sri

[Bob Duncan]

So, is this your way of admitting that you actually believe the Bible,
even if you don't fully understand everything in it?

You're taking a paragraph to say what could be said in a short sentence?

Is that what you're doing?

--
God exists, uncreated and transcendental to space and time.
.

[Teresita]

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 12:34:43 AM UTC-8, Andrew wrote:
> "Teresita" wrote in message news:1dd3105f-7eb7-40b4...@googlegroups.com...
> >Andrew wrote:
> >
> >> Man's repentance implies a change of mind. But God's
> >> repentance implies a change of relation to Him,. As in
> >> the incident with Saul's disobedience that you referred
> >> to above.
> >>
> >> With Him there is,
> >>
> >> "no variableness, neither shadow of turning"
> >> James 1:17
> >
> > And yet God changed from a being with no human body
> > to a being with a human body. Go figure.
> That you may have salvation. Go figure.

Believer: "God can never do that thing because that thing goes against his nature."

Atheist: "But Hezekiah 19:3 clearly says God did that thing."

Believer: "Okay, but he only did that thing as a favor for you."

[Viktor Tandofsky]

I suspect the atheists here see themselves as master con artists who can fool anyone with nonsense. People eventually get wise to such liars and then write them off.
I get a big laugh when 2 chronic liars try to pressure me to accept their garbage.
I don't care about being popular.

[Mitchell Holman]

Viktor Tandofsky <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:21fe9da1-329c-4c42...@googlegroups.com:

>
>> .
> I suspect the atheists here see themselves as master con artists who
> can fool anyone with nonsense. People eventually get wise to such
> liars and then write them off.

Atheists know more about religion
than religious followers do.



Atheists outpace evangelicals
in knowledge of faith
OCTOBER 18, 2019

To learn more about religion,
just ask an atheist.

That’s one takeaway from a
recent Pew Research Center
survey that asked Americans
multiple-choice questions
about religion.

Respondents also were asked
about their own faith traditions –
and were rivaled by atheists there,
as well.

But that comes as little surprise
to scholars who study and teach
about American religion.

“With atheists and agnostics,
my initial guess its an education
effect,” said Paul Froese, a
sociology professor and director
of Baylor University’s Survey of
Religion. “On average, they tend
to have more education.”

And that makes them more likely to
be studious on matters of faith, he
said.

Nor is it shocking that Christians
aren’t particularly well versed
about Christianity. That’s to be
expected in a nation where overall
religious literacy is low.
https://tinyurl.com/2p84d27k

[Andrew]

"Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:54076f86-9870-4e6c...@googlegroups.com...

> Some "God".

He is AWE-some.


>
>
> Sri

[Oko Tillo]

Andrew Scissorhands strikes again.

What we cannot reply to, that do we snip.


Sri

[Andrew]

"Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:31175266-ec06-43a4...@googlegroups.com...
> Andrew wrote:

>> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
>>
>> > Some "God".
>>
>> He is AWE-some.
>
> Andrew Scissorhands strikes again.
> What we cannot reply to, that do
> we snip.

The point here is that you do agree
that the living God is..some "God".

I know that you don't like Him

Nevertheless He is > some "God".

You said that He was. Yes.

I say He is.Awesome!

Our Creator.

Amen!

[Oko Tillo]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:55:15 AM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
> "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:31175266-ec06-43a4...@googlegroups.com...
> > Andrew wrote:
> >> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
> >>

//

> >> > Some "God".

> >> He is AWE-some.

> > Andrew Scissorhands strikes again.
> > What we cannot reply to, that do
> > we snip.

> The point here is that you do agree
> that the living God is..some "God".

The actual point here is that you know that is not true.

And you know full well that my sarcastic characterization
of your God Thing in no way means that I believe in It.

Which makes you a liar.

Which in turn makes me question if you actually believe
in your supposed God, given what Scripture tells us
about the fate of liars.

A point I have raised numerous times in the past,
and one which you have yet to respond to.

Care to finally give it a go?
Right here would be convenient:




Sri

[Viktor Tandofsky]

On Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 9:31:09 AM UTC-8, Bob Duncan wrote:

You were right when you said the atheists here attack a religion that does not exist. Their attacks are a long series of red herrings. The bible was written thousands of years ago and the Old Testament describes ancient Israeli law but only some of it is practiced by Jews today. In modern Israel, they do not kill witches or stone unruly children or execute people for working on the Sabbath. They do not kill people who worship a different God. 20% of Israeli citizens are Moslems who worship Allah.

[Andrew]

"Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:90722097-ee97-405c...@googlegroups.com...
> Andrew wrote:

>> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
>> > Andrew wrote:

>> >> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Some "God".
>
>> >> He is AWE-some.
>
>> > Andrew Scissorhands strikes again.
>> > What we cannot reply to, that do
>> > we snip.
>
>> The point here is that you do agree
>> that the living God is..some "God".
>
> The actual point here is that you know that is not true.

Did I misquote? No.

> And you know full well that my sarcastic characterization
> of your God Thing in no way means that I believe in It.

You said He was, "Some "God".

But now you want to recant?

> Which makes you a liar.

No, rather that -you- lied.

> Which in turn makes me question if you actually believe
> in your supposed God, given what Scripture tells us
> about the fate of liars.

Now you are citing the Scriptures,
which you don't believe in either.

> A point I have raised numerous times in the past,

You also denied being an atheist.

> and one which you have yet to respond to.

My bad? No.

> Care to finally give it a go?
> Right here would be convenient:

The point here is that you do agree

that the living God is..Some "God".

I say that He is -->Awe-some!

Our Creator.

Amen!

[Oko Tillo]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 3:18:38 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
> "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:90722097-ee97-405c...@googlegroups.com...
> > Andrew wrote:
> >> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
> >> > Andrew wrote:
> >> >> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Some "God".
> >
> >> >> He is AWE-some.
> >

//

> >> > Andrew Scissorhands strikes again.
> >> > What we cannot reply to, that do
> >> > we snip.

> >> The point here is that you do agree
> >> that the living God is..some "God".

> > The actual point here is that you know that is not true.

> Did I misquote? No.

Instead you pretended to misunderstand obvious sarcasm.
Rack up another lie from you.

> > And you know full well that my sarcastic characterization
> > of your God Thing in no way means that I believe in It.

> You said He was, "Some "God".

> But now you want to recant?

Not at all. Your God -- if It actually existed -- would be a hot mess.

> > Which makes you a liar.

> No, rather that -you- lied.

> > Which in turn makes me question if you actually believe
> > in your supposed God, given what Scripture tells us
> > about the fate of liars.

> Now you are citing the Scriptures,
> which you don't believe in either.

Yeppers. I'm citing Scriptures which you claim to believe in.
Although your actions suggest otherwise.

> > A point I have raised numerous times in the past,

> You also denied being an atheist.

Dodge, little Andrew, dodge dodge dodge...

But yes, I did. Because I'm not an atheist.
Not believing in your God thingie doesn't mean I don't
think one -- or more -- is a possibility.

> > and one which you have yet to respond to.

> My bad? No.

> > Care to finally give it a go?
> > Right here would be convenient:

No?

So yet again you're trying to wriggle
out of answering me about whether you even believe in
what your Bible says will be the fate of liars like you.

Obviously you either think that part of the Bible is wrong
or else you choose to lie here and face the supposed
consequences in some supposed future life.

> The point here is that you do agree
> that the living God is..Some "God".

And chalk up another lie on Andrew's ledger.

But don't worry about it because:
1) we've come to expect it of you, and
2) you won't face any consequences in some future life.
Because there isn't any future life.


Sri

[Andrew]

"Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.com...

> Because there isn't any future life.

You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
lied, and that you are a liar.

"You are of your father the devil. He abode
not in the truth, because there is no truth in
him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his
own: for he is a liar, and the father of lies."
~ Jesus

In light of the above, we have been told the
final destiny of all liars:

"All liars, shall have their part in the lake
that burns with fire and brimstone: which
is the second death." ~ Revelation 21:8.

[Oko Tillo]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:45:03 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
> "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.com...

//

Wow. My post must have really upset Andrew, considering
how he deleted nearly all of it.

Sorry, dude, I'll try to take it easier on you in the future.

> > Because there isn't any future life.

> You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
> is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
> lied, and that you are a liar.

Well, you'll never find out.
Because there's no future life.

Do get back to me if I'm wrong, hear?
I mean, if there's the Internet in this supposed future life.

> "You are of your father the devil. He abode
> not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his
> own: for he is a liar, and the father of lies."
> ~ Jesus

What do you think your Jesus would think of your lying?
I mean iff He actually still existed, that is.

> In light of the above, we have been told the
> final destiny of all liars:


>
> "All liars, shall have their part in the lake
> that burns with fire and brimstone: which
> is the second death." ~ Revelation 21:8.

I'll save you a seat by the fire.

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:22:40 -0800 (PST), Oko Tillo
<f.spl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:45:03 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
>> "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.com...
>
>//
>
>Wow. My post must have really upset Andrew, considering
>how he deleted nearly all of it.
>
>Sorry, dude, I'll try to take it easier on you in the future.
>
>> > Because there isn't any future life.
>
>> You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
>> is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
>> lied, and that you are a liar.
>
>Well, you'll never find out.
>Because there's no future life.

As usual, a stupid, binary thinking theist twists not giving a thought
to somebody else's ridiculous belief, into a an equivalent but
opposite belief - which he then lies is taken on faith.

[Andrew]

"Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:346076cf-624c-43c2...@googlegroups.com...
> Andrew wrote:

> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
>
>> > Because there isn't any future life.
>
>> You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
>> is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
>> lied, and that you are a liar.
>
> Well, you'll never find out. Because there's no
> future life.
>
> Do get back to me if I'm wrong, hear?

Here is an ex-atheist who will tell you himself.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoATZcKtDnc

[Frank Lee]

"Andrew" <andrew.3...@usa.net> wrote:

> "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.com...
>
> > Because there isn't any future life.
>
> You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
> is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
> lied, and that you are a liar.
>
> "You are of your father the devil. He abode
> not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his
> own: for he is a liar, and the father of lies."
> ~ Jesus

You state that as being a *fact*, when in fact it's only
your belief that Jesus said that and that it's actually
true.

Which tells us that you lied, and that you are a liar.

> In light of the above, we have been told the
> final destiny of all liars:
>
> "All liars, shall have their part in the lake
> that burns with fire and brimstone: which
> is the second death." ~ Revelation 21:8.

You state that as being a *fact*, when in fact it's only
your belief that John wrote that and that it's actually
true.

Which tells us that you lied, and that you are a liar.

What other fun beliefs do you want to discuss factually,
liarboy? Spit it out quick, before your pants burst into
flames.

[Viktor Tandofsky]

Is The New Testament Reliable as History?



https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Eyewitnesses-Gospels-Eyewitness-Testimony/dp/0802874312/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=0802874312&psc=1



https://www.amazon.com/Can-Trust-Gospels-Peter-Williams/dp/1433552957/ref=pd_bxgy_img_1/130-0517463-2658904?pd_rd_w=nFd4d&pf_rd_p=c64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=4TRJKZ32B2T3MQQ9EPSY&pd_rd_r=d44e0ec7-b76c-44d2-9feb-89a7a4f761bb&pd_rd_wg=Qtzdc&pd_rd_i=1433552957&psc=1


https://www.amazon.com/Historical-Reliability-New-Testament-Evangelical/dp/0805464379/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/130-0517463-2658904?pd_rd_w=PCeg7&pf_rd_p=c64372fa-c41c-422e-990d-9e034f73989b&pf_rd_r=JPP0VDEV7F5NC714V0G1&pd_rd_r=4278ec63-79e6-4f65-8314-77a47a6d2596&pd_rd_wg=FXa0u&pd_rd_i=0805464379&psc=1


https://www.amazon.com/New-Testament-Documents-They-Reliable/dp/0802822193/ref=pd_sbs_3/130-0517463-2658904?pd_rd_w=kWzAA&pf_rd_p=690958f6-2825-419e-9c16-73ffd4055b65&pf_rd_r=JPP0VDEV7F5NC714V0G1&pd_rd_r=4278ec63-79e6-4f65-8314-77a47a6d2596&pd_rd_wg=FXa0u&pd_rd_i=0802822193&psc=1

[Frank Lee]

Not at all, thanks for asking.

<snip page full of referrer IDs>

[Oko Tillo]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:57:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Lee wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.3...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> > "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Because there isn't any future life.
> >
> > You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
> > is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
> > lied, and that you are a liar.
> >

//

> > "You are of your father the devil. He abode
> > not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> > him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his
> > own: for he is a liar, and the father of lies."
> > ~ Jesus

> You state that as being a *fact*, when in fact it's only
> your belief that Jesus said that and that it's actually
> true.

Also, given that the Gospel of John was written
sixty to eighty years after Jesus' supposed death,
then anything he claims about Jesus he got from something that
somebody said that somebody said that somebody said that somebody said
that somebody said that somebody said that somebody said ...

Not exactly eyewitness stuff.

> Which tells us that you lied, and that you are a liar.
> > In light of the above, we have been told the
> > final destiny of all liars:
> >
> > "All liars, shall have their part in the lake
> > that burns with fire and brimstone: which
> > is the second death." ~ Revelation 21:8.
> You state that as being a *fact*, when in fact it's only
> your belief that John wrote that and that it's actually
> true.


> Which tells us that you lied, and that you are a liar.
> What other fun beliefs do you want to discuss factually,
> liarboy? Spit it out quick, before your pants burst into
> flames.

LOL!

Well, Andrew's a troll -- he pops up with these things
to get a reaction and to be annoying.

Make that a partial troll -- he does do it to be annoying,
but at the same time he believes it.

Which makes him a troll crossed with a ... what?
Demon perhaps.


Sri

[Oko Tillo]

//

> > Is The New Testament Reliable as History?
> Not at all, thanks for asking.

> <snip page full of referrer IDs>

Dude! Is that nice?

I mean, after he spent several entire seconds
Googling those references up?

What do you think the chances are he actually *read* them?
Or, for that matter, understood them?

I mean, past experience...
(as recent as yesterday)


Sri

[Frank Lee]

Oko Tillo wrote:
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:57:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Lee wrote:
> > "Andrew" <andrew.3...@usa.net> wrote:
> > > "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > > Because there isn't any future life.
> > >
> > > You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
> > > is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
> > > lied, and that you are a liar.
>

I've long suspected Comrade Andrew works at a troll farm
in St. Pete. I don't think he believes anything he says.
He's cynical and jaded, and his heart just hasn't been in
it for so long. But hey, it beats getting sent to the
Ukrainian front.

> Which makes him a troll crossed with a ... what?
> Demon perhaps.

Half troll, half rattus norvegicus.


>
>
> Sri

[Mitchell Holman]

Viktor Tandofsky <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:46e80943-d28a-4952...@googlegroups.com:

What atheist said what religion doesn't exist?

> Their attacks are a long series of red herrings. The
> bible was written thousands of years ago and the Old Testament
> describes ancient Israeli law but only some of it is practiced by Jews
> today. In modern Israel, they do not kill witches or stone unruly
> children or execute people for working on the Sabbath. They do not
> kill people who worship a different God.

So you agree your own religious laws are so
barbaric that even you don't follow them.

"I believe in God, I worship God, but
obey his laws? Well, hold on a minute, that
is asking too much"

[Oko Tillo]

//

> > Well, Andrew's a troll -- he pops up with these things
> > to get a reaction and to be annoying.

> > Make that a partial troll -- he does do it to be annoying,
> > but at the same time he believes it.

> I've long suspected Comrade Andrew works at a troll farm
> in St. Pete. I don't think he believes anything he says.
> He's cynical and jaded, and his heart just hasn't been in
> it for so long. But hey, it beats getting sent to the
> Ukrainian front.

> > Which makes him a troll crossed with a ... what?
> > Demon perhaps.

> Half troll, half rattus norvegicus.

ROFLMAO!!

Sri

[Ted]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:22:40 -0800 (PST), Oko Tillo
<f.spl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:45:03 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
> > "Oko Tillo" wrote in message
news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.com...


> //


> Wow. My post must have really upset Andrew, considering
> how he deleted nearly all of it.


> Sorry, dude, I'll try to take it easier on you in
> the future.

That dishonest little piece of shit.

> > > Because there isn't any future life.


> > You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
> > is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
> > lied, and that you are a liar.


> Well, you'll never find out.
> Because there's no future life.

LOL.

> Do get back to me if I'm wrong, hear?
> I mean, if there's the Internet in this
> supposed future life.

LOL!

> > "You are of your father the devil. He abode
> > not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> > him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his
> > own: for he is a liar, and the father of lies."
> > ~ Jesus


> What do you think your Jesus would think of your lying?
> I mean iff He actually still existed, that is.




> > In light of the above, we have been told the
> > final destiny of all liars:




> >
> > "All liars, shall have their part in the lake
> > that burns with fire and brimstone: which
> > is the second death." ~ Revelation 21:8.


> I'll save you a seat by the fire.

Nobody here lies more than Androol (now that Duke is gone).

[Ted]

How fucking ludicrous.

[Ted]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 18:12:18 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
<vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:57:44 PM UTC-8, Frank Lee wrote:
> > "Andrew" <andrew.3...@usa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > "Oko Tillo" wrote in message

news:b8573fa5-c64c-4f41...@googlegroups.co=

How much "history" is in the NT? Even the book of Acts is mostly
bullshit. It contradicts Paul on practically everything it says about
him.

[Ted]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 18:21:37 -0800, Frank Lee <n...@real.lee.invalid>
wrote:

LOL!

[Ted]

Exactly. We know for a fact he didn't read any of them.

[Ted]

None of the gospels were written until decades later. The authors
certainly weren't eyewitnesses and neither did any of them know any
eyewitnesses. And John is the worst of the four.

[Ted]

LOL (I had to look it up).

[Viktor Tandofsky]

A fact is something which can be proven. YOu have no evidence and you and that fruitcake splfuck are lying again.

[Viktor Tandofsky]

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:19:32 PM UTC-8, f.spl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 10:43:51 AM UTC-7, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 2:40:21 PM UTC-8, f.spl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 12:35:56 PM UTC-7, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 11:19:11 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky
> > > > > <vtand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, January 7, 2023 at 10:17:34 AM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > It was written during a 1500* year time span
> > > > > > > by scores of different authors with varying
> > > > > > > agendas. Of course it's gonna contradict
> > > > > > > itself!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And it's always so amusing to watch you
> > > > > > > lying fundies make asses of yourselves
> > > > > > > attempting to explain away the
> > > > > > > contradictions. LOL. :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * a tiny bit can be traced back to before
> > > > > > > 1000 BCE and some of the NT was written
> > > > > > > well into the 2nd century CE.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tell us who here is a fundamentalist. Let's
> > > > > > see if you are babbling bullshit again.
> > > //
>
> //
>
> > > > > Certainly Duncan and Andrew. And apparently Robert. James. Dunno
> > > > > about MX.
>
> > > > WRONG. Bob Duncan accepts ID which is not in the bible.
>
> > > Intelligent <sic> design is a form of Creationism.
> > > It claims that God created life.
> > > Which is exactly what the Bible teaches.
>
> > This comes from the same fraudulent clown
> Who? Me or Bobbo?
> >who claims I think evolution is a conspiracy even tho I said no such thing.
> > He claims I think T-Rex skeleteons are fakes, something I NEVER said. FRAUD
> So, that would be me.
>
> And I never said that you think that T.rex skeletons are fake; I ASKED you
> you if you thought that is the case.
>
> Remember?
> Apparently not.
>
> [You]:
> Nobody has ever seen a whale walk on land
> or a T-Rex.
>
> [Me]:
> Seriously? You think that all those T. rex skeletons in museums
> around the world are fakes?
> Is that what you're claiming?
>
>
>
> Get it now?
> I *asked* you if you thought they were fakes,
> I did *not* say that that you wrote that "I think T-Rex skeleteons are fakes"
>
> Get the difference between claiming that you meant something
> and asking if you meant something?
>
> You know, that little '?' at the end of my sentence.
> Get it now?
>
> Funny how the alleged "FRAUD" disappears when you actually
> read what I said, isn't it?
>
>
> Sri

LIAR.YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP. I gave nobody any basis in my statments that I think any such thing. You just made it all up. It was an accusation and you are a filthy lying trickster. YOu must think we are all gullible fools out here.

[Viktor Tandofsky]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:55:15 AM UTC-8, Andrew wrote:
> "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:31175266-ec06-43a4...@googlegroups.com...

> > Andrew wrote:
> >> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
> >>

> >> > Some "God".
> >>
> >> He is AWE-some.
> >

> > Andrew Scissorhands strikes again.
> > What we cannot reply to, that do
> > we snip.
> The point here is that you do agree
> that the living God is..some "God".
>

> I know that you don't like Him
>
> Nevertheless He is > some "God".
>
> You said that He was. Yes.
>
> I say He is.Awesome!
>
> Our Creator.
>
> Amen!

Andrew, this fspl clown is mocking you and he is an arrogant piece of shit who proves his bravery by picking on people he thinks are gullible. Do something productive and stop babysitting the scum.

[Frank Lee]

Ted wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 18:21:56 -0800 (PST), Oko Tillo
> <f.spl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 6:57:44 PM UTC-7, Frank Lee wrote:
> > > "Andrew" <andrew.3...@usa.net> wrote:
> > > > "Oko Tillo" wrote in message
> > > >

> > > > > Because there isn't any future life.
> > > >
> > > > You state that a being a *fact*, when in fact it
> > > > is only *your belief*. Which tells us that you
> > > > lied, and that you are a liar.
> > > >

> > > > "You are of your father the devil. He abode
> > > > not in the truth, because there is no truth in
> > > > him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his
> > > > own: for he is a liar, and the father of lies."
> > > > ~ Jesus
>
>
> > > You state that as being a *fact*, when in fact it's only
> > > your belief that Jesus said that and that it's actually
> > > true.
>
>
> > Also, given that the Gospel of John was written
> > sixty to eighty years after Jesus' supposed death,
> > then anything he claims about Jesus he got from something that
> > somebody said that somebody said that somebody said that somebody
> said
> > that somebody said that somebody said that somebody said ...
>
>
> > Not exactly eyewitness stuff.
>
>
>
> None of the gospels were written until decades later. The authors
> certainly weren't eyewitnesses and neither did any of them know any
> eyewitnesses. And John is the worst of the four.

Is there reason to think Paul was complicit in writing
any of the gospels?

Could Paul have been Q?

The stuff you have shared is interesting, thanks. You've
obviously been doing your bible study.

[Frank Lee]

No, it was mean, wasn't it?

> I mean, after he spent several entire seconds
> Googling those references up?
>
> What do you think the chances are he actually *read* them?
> Or, for that matter, understood them?

No way did he read any of the books. I doubt he read any
of the descriptions. Given past history, they probably
contradict everything Artie has told us.

[Frank Lee]

Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 8:57:40 PM UTC-8, Jack Sovalot wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 18:25:05 -0800 (PST), Oko Tillo
> > <f.spl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 7:21:43 PM UTC-7, Frank Lee wrote:
> > > > Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
>
> > > > > Is The New Testament Reliable as History?
> > > > Not at all, thanks for asking.
> >
> >
> > > > <snip page full of referrer IDs>
> >
> >
> > > Dude! Is that nice?
> >
> >
> > > I mean, after he spent several entire seconds
> > > Googling those references up?
> >
> >
> > > What do you think the chances are he actually *read* them?
> > > Or, for that matter, understood them?
> >
> >
> > > I mean, past experience...
> > > (as recent as yesterday)
> >
> >
> > > Sri
> > Exactly. We know for a fact he didn't read any of them.
>
> A fact is something which can be proven.

No it's not.

It's a fact that I took a shit this morning. But no one
can prove I did or didn't, not even me. I could make a
video and post it, but that doesn't prove it was really
me or it was really today.

Your theory is shitty, Artie.

> YOu have no evidence and you and that fruitcake splfuck are lying again.

Prove it.

[Frank Lee]

Yeah, because it's just not fair when Oko picks on
helpless idiots, is it?

[Viktor Tandofsky]

You made a claim that you cannot prove. I say you are wrong and that means you are a liar.

[Frank Lee]

Viktor Tandofsky wrote:
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:38:17 PM UTC-8, Frank Lee wrote:
> > Viktor Tandofsky wrote:

...

> > > A fact is something which can be proven.
> > No it's not.
> >
> > It's a fact that I took a shit this morning. But no one
> > can prove I did or didn't, not even me. I could make a
> > video and post it, but that doesn't prove it was really
> > me or it was really today.
> >
> > Your theory is shitty, Artie.
>
> > > YOu have no evidence and you and that fruitcake splfuck are lying again.
> > Prove it.
>
> You made a claim that you cannot prove. I say you are wrong and that means you are a liar.

Ok, so I didn't take a shit this morning.

I can't prove that either, but it must be true because
you said so, right?

[Ted]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 23:13:54 -0800, Frank Lee <n...@real.lee.invalid>
wrote:

Thanks Frank. So have you, if you know about Q. That's a fascinating
theory, though I've not read it anywhere. So maybe later in life Paul
decided to write about Jesus? How cool that would be. :-)

[Ted]

You prove it for us regularly, Artie. As you also regularly prove
your inability to comprehend even what you do read.

[Ted]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 23:47:35 -0800, Frank Lee <n...@real.lee.invalid>
wrote:

LOL!

[Ted]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 22:53:07 -0800 (PST), Viktor Tandofsky

Do you ever at least try to read, Artie?

[Viktor Tandofsky]

So says the proven chronic liar.

[Oko Tillo]

On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 11:56:08 PM UTC-7, vtand...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 5:55:15 AM UTC-8, Andrew wrote:
> > "Oko Tillo" wrote in message news:31175266-ec06-43a4...@googlegroups.com...
> > > Andrew wrote:
> > >> "Oko Tillo" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Some "God".
> > >>
> > >> He is AWE-some.
> > >
> > > Andrew Scissorhands strikes again.
> > > What we cannot reply to, that do
> > > we snip.
> > The point here is that you do agree
> > that the living God is..some "God".
> >
> > I know that you don't like Him
> >
> > Nevertheless He is > some "God".
> >
> > You said that He was. Yes.
> >
> > I say He is.Awesome!
> >
> > Our Creator.
> >
> > Amen!

//

> Andrew, this fspl clown is mocking you and he is an arrogant piece of shit who proves his bravery by picking on people he thinks are gullible. Do something productive and stop babysitting the scum.

And as predictable as death and Three's Company reruns, here comes
Artie, braying loudly about something he knows precisely nothing about.

Must be a day ending in 'y'.

The actual fact is, oh ignorant one, that Andrew and I have
been at this for many many years now. It's as predictable
as a bickering old married couple. There's actually nothing
new going on; not a single debate that we haven't done before.

And before that.

And before that.

So there's not a single thing you can tell Andrew about me.

Now you have a nice day, y'hear?



Sri

[Oko Tillo]

//

> > A fact is something which can be proven.
> > YOu have no evidence and you and that
> > fruitcake splfuck are lying again.

> You prove it for us regularly, Artie. As you also regularly prove
> your inability to comprehend even what you do read.

Like only yesterday, when Artie initially claimed that the particles in
the atomic nucleus are held together by gravity, and when Abner Mintz
corrected him -- they're held together by the Strong Force --
Artie brayed "WRONG" and triumphantly googled up this link:

https://www.masterorganicchemistry.com/2010/07/16/what-holds-the-nucleus-together/

which, if you read it, tells us that

"Gravity is irrelevant"

and that:

"What holds the nucleus together? The strong nuclear force."

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.atheism/c/dTBhWAoQod8/m/dgcrvm5YCAAJ

You just can't buy entertainment like this.



Sri