Pfizer Knew their vaccine would kill

[Andrew W]

https://www.simonparkes.org/post/pfizer-knew

Also governments know that water fluoridation is harmful and not beneficial.
Corruption is rife in our governments, corporations and institutions and the
average person doesn't even know or believe.



http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

Forcing someone to either worship or burn is called tyranny. Never follow
any leader who gives lifelong (or eternal) torture in a fire as one of your
'free' choices, because that is a despot.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site

[Deep State]

"Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com> wrote:

> Also governments know that water fluoridation is harmful and not beneficial.
> Corruption is rife in our governments, corporations and institutions and the
> average person doesn't even know or believe.

You should be banned for life for saying that.

But instead we'll keep you around and laugh at you.
Ridicule is more powerful than the sword.

[Malte Runz]

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 12:16:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
wrote:


'The Brown Aussie' has dumped another load:
>
>https://www.simonparkes.org/post/pfizer-knew

Reported by "The Light", a free paper offering "The Uncensored Truth".
"Pfizer knew their vaccine would kill.
Own data show shocking number of fatalities and side effects now
officially associated with covid shots"

I would love to see that data, and fortunately there is a link to be
found if you go to The Light's PDF-article.
https://thelightpaper.co.uk/assets/pdf/Light-20-Final-Web.pdf
https://phmpt.org/pfizers-documents/
There are 166 documents with titles like
"BATES-92_adc19ef-ve-cov-7pd2-wo-eval-sas.txt" and "5.2 tabular
listing.pdf"

Where to start? I think I'll leave it up to an experienced 'deep
diver', like yourself, with decades of experience in online 'doing
your own research' to find the appropriate documents, where Pfizer
admit that they knew their vaccine was killing thousands.

>
>Also governments know that water fluoridation is harmful and not beneficial.
>Corruption is rife in our governments, corporations and institutions and the
>average person doesn't even know or believe.

Yeah, Big Fluoride is killing us all just to make a profit. Jokes
aside, I do not doubt that ingestion of fluoride in large amounts can
be hazardous, and the use of it should be carefully considered.
Luckily there is a lot of information available online. Like this:
https://tinyurl.com/5ymtmdfb
and this:
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/711915#_i11
Table 4 is interesting in relation to some of the claims made by "The
Light".

>
>
>
>http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/
>
>Forcing someone to either worship or burn is called tyranny. Never follow
>any leader who gives lifelong (or eternal) torture in a fire as one of your
>'free' choices, because that is a despot.

"The Uncensored Truth", remember?

>http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site

'Where nothing is fact checked, and only a conspiracy theory is a good
theory!'



--
Malte Runz

[nature bats last]

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:16:54 PM UTC-7, Andrew W wrote:
//

> https://www.simonparkes.org/post/pfizer-knew

Simon Parkes again...

Tell us, Andrew: do you believe that his mother, as he claims,
was a seven foot tall green space alien.

If you don't believe that, then why do you believe anything he says.

But if you do believe that, why should any of us believe a word you say?


Sri

[JWS]

It's like baby's first poo poo.
They are so proud.
It's not supposed to continue
into adulthood.

[Andrew]

"nature bats last" wrote in message news:5c396de8-9bbf-4b9c...@googlegroups.com...

> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:16:54 PM UTC-7, Andrew W wrote

>> https://www.simonparkes.org/post/pfizer-knew
>
> Simon Parkes again...
>
> Tell us, Andrew: do you believe that his mother, as he claims,
> was a seven foot tall green space alien.

Please cite.

And how many feet tall was ~your~ mother?

> If you don't believe that, then why do you believe anything he says.
>
> But if you do believe that, why should any of us believe a word you say?

> Sri
>
>> Also governments know that water fluoridation is harmful and not beneficial.
>> Corruption is rife in our governments, corporations and institutions and the
>> average person doesn't even know or believe.
>>
>> http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/
>>
>> Forcing someone to either worship or burn is called tyranny. Never follow
>> any leader who gives lifelong (or eternal) torture in a fire as one of your
>> 'free' choices, because that is a despot.

Yes, but that is a satanic deception.

Jesus told us that the options are....

Eternal life ~OR~ Perish

~ John 3:16

[nature bats last]

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:43:33 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
> "nature bats last" wrote in message news:5c396de8-9bbf-4b9c...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:16:54 PM UTC-7, Andrew W wrote
> >> https://www.simonparkes.org/post/pfizer-knew
> >
> > Simon Parkes again...
> >

//

> > Tell us, Andrew: do you believe that his mother, as he claims,
> > was a seven foot tall green space alien.

> Please cite.

https://grandmageri422.me/2021/01/29/simon-parkes-and-his-reptilian-alien-mother-millions-were-glued-to-youtube-believing-this-man-had-special-intel-that-president-trump-would-prevail-and-joe-biden-would-be-ousted/

Actually, his adoptive mother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPqnsfteP_8&ab_channel=CCFinland

(I normally don't post videos, but the very beginning is the relevant part)

> And how many feet tall was ~your~ mother?

What is this, third grade? Sri says something; Andrew has to try
to say something snarky no matter how juvenile?

> > If you don't believe that, then why do you believe anything he says.
> >
> > But if you do believe that, why should any of us believe a word you say?
>
> > Sri
> >
> >> Also governments know that water fluoridation is harmful and not beneficial.
> >> Corruption is rife in our governments, corporations and institutions and the
> >> average person doesn't even know or believe.
> >>
> >> http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/
> >>

//

> >> Forcing someone to either worship or burn is called tyranny. Never follow
> >> any leader who gives lifelong (or eternal) torture in a fire as one of your
> >> 'free' choices, because that is a despot.

> Yes, but that is a satanic deception.
>
> Jesus told us that the options are....
>
> Eternal life ~OR~ Perish

Yeah, ~Jesus~ also claimed that He would return during the
lifetime of some of his followers.

He must have some seriously senile and decrepit followers;
2000 years can really take it out of a guy.

Sri

[Ted]

Jesus promised the arrival of the Son of Man from the book of Daniel,
whom he spoke of in the third person. It was only after his death
that christers claimed Jesus himself was the Son of Man. They
continued believing he'd arrive within their lifetime, but now it was
going to be his second time.

[Andrew W]

"nature bats last" wrote in message

news:30411172-86c6-4b2d...@googlegroups.com...

He did return. It was on Pentecost.


--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

Forcing someone to either worship or burn is called tyranny. Never follow
any leader who gives lifelong (or eternal) torture in a fire as one of your
'free' choices, because that is a despot.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site

[Andrew]

"Andrew W" wrote in message news:tabfen$10c8r$1...@dont-email.me...


Although I sometimes disagree with Andrew W,
I'm glad to see when his posts come through.

He is a nonconformist. Different than most of
our atheist friends here.

He is still alive, Whereas so many have gone
on, because they followed the crowd and paid
the price.

> "nature bats last" wrote in message
> news:30411172-86c6-4b2d...@googlegroups.com...>
>>On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 5:43:33 PM UTC-7, Andrew wrote:
>>> "nature bats last" wrote in message
>>> news:5c396de8-9bbf-4b9c...@googlegroups.com...
>>> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:16:54 PM UTC-7, Andrew W wrote
>>> >> https://www.simonparkes.org/post/pfizer-knew

>>> >> Corruption is rife in our governments, corporations and institutions
>>> >> and the average person doesn't even know or believe.

[Andrew W]

"Andrew" wrote in message news:tabnus$fsv$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

>"Andrew W" wrote in message news:tabfen$10c8r$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
>Although I sometimes disagree with Andrew W, I'm glad to see when his posts
>come through.
>He is a nonconformist. Different than most of our atheist friends here.
>
>He is still alive, Whereas so many have gone
>on, because they followed the crowd and paid the price.
>
>

I think we mostly disagree on religion.
I was raised a Catholic along with my sisters but over the years I started
to realise there are morality problems in Christianity and the Bible.
I started asking questions and studying; religions, spirituality,
metaphysics as well as morality.

There are definitely problems in Christianity. It's all about human
disempowerment, blame and demonising humans. Basically victim blaming.
It's programing, conditioning and spiritual slavery in my opinion. Many
scholars and smart people say the same.
I think this world has been scammed big time for millennia by the rich
elites and secret societies.

--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

Forcing someone to either worship or burn is called tyranny. Never follow
any leader who gives lifelong (or eternal) torture in a fire as one of your
'free' choices, because that is a despot.

[Andrew]

"Andrew W" wrote in message news:tabtbg$11l1f$1...@dont-email.me...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>>"Andrew W" wrote:
>>
>>Although I sometimes disagree with Andrew W, I'm glad to see when his posts
>>come through.
>>He is a nonconformist. Different than most of our atheist friends here.
>>
>>He is still alive, Whereas so many have gone
>>on, because they followed the crowd and paid the price.
>>
>
> I think we mostly disagree on religion.
> I was raised a Catholic along with my sisters but over the years I started
> to realise there are morality problems in Christianity and the Bible.
> I started asking questions and studying; religions, spirituality,
> metaphysics as well as morality.
>
> There are definitely problems in Christianity. It's all about human
> disempowerment, blame and demonising humans. Basically victim blaming.
> It's programing, conditioning and spiritual slavery in my opinion. Many
> scholars and smart people say the same.

I see your point(s) if coming from a Catholic background.

Fortunately I was not subjected to that influence.

> I think this world has been scammed big time for millennia by the rich
> elites and secret societies.

Yes, but I believe that they are puppets of darker forces.

They have an agenda, and we are approaching the
"end game" of both the forces of good and of evil.

[Andrew]

"Andrew" wrote in message news:tabv9o$1hln$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

Here are some serious issues that will affect all
of us. https://tinyurl.com/4mbzhtrs What do
you think?

[JWS]

Two clowns championing their individual brand of idiocy.
Fun to watch.

[Andrew W]

"Andrew" wrote in message news:tac0dt$23m$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

>"Andrew" wrote in message news:tabv9o$1hln$1...@gioia.aioe.org...
>> "Andrew W" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>"Andrew W" wrote:
>>>>Although I sometimes disagree with Andrew W, I'm glad to see when his
>>>>posts come through.
>>>>He is a nonconformist. Different than most of our atheist friends here.
>>>>
>>>>He is still alive, Whereas so many have gone
>>>>on, because they followed the crowd and paid the price.
>>>
>>> I think we mostly disagree on religion.
>>> I was raised a Catholic along with my sisters but over the years I
>>> started to realise there are morality problems in Christianity and the
>>> Bible.
>>> I started asking questions and studying; religions, spirituality,
>>> metaphysics as well as morality.
>>>
>>> There are definitely problems in Christianity. It's all about human
>>> disempowerment, blame and demonising humans. Basically victim blaming.
>>> It's programing, conditioning and spiritual slavery in my opinion. Many
>>> scholars and smart people say the same.
>>
>> I see your point(s) if coming from a Catholic background.
>>
>> Fortunately I was not subjected to that influence.
>>

Protestant Christianity is only about 20% better. It is also about
belittling, disempowering and demonising humanity with the sin doctrine.
They both claim that we are nothing but small physical (not spirit based)
and mostly useless creatures that can do no good.

>
>>> I think this world has been scammed big time for millennia by the rich
>>> elites and secret societies.
>>
>> Yes, but I believe that they are puppets of darker forces.

True.

>
>> They have an agenda, and we are approaching the "end game" of both the
>> forces of good and of evil.
>
>Here are some serious issues that will affect all of us.
>https://tinyurl.com/4mbzhtrs What do
>you think?
>

The war to take down food and energy etc. are failing. They are trumpeting
in their propaganda media that it's going to be very bad but I'm getting
that it's not going that bad. It's a game of creating fear and panic.

[Ted]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 04:14:49 -0700, "Andrew"
<andrew.3...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Andrew W" wrote in message news:tabfen$10c8r$1...@dont-email.me...


> Although I sometimes disagree with Andrew W,
> I'm glad to see when his posts come
> through.

Same here.

> He is a nonconformist. Different than most
> of our atheist friends here.

And that would be kewl, if he didn't always go barking up the wrong
tree. As it is, he just comes across as a k0oK.

> He is still alive, Whereas so many have gone
> on, because they followed the crowd and paid
> the price.

The "price" was much less severe cases of Covid.

[Ted]

Same thing Jesus believed.

And Jesus said, "I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the
right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."
(Mark 15:62)

[Vito]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 06:47:04 -0700 (PDT), JWS <jld...@skybeam.com>
wrote:

LOL.

[Malte Runz]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:49:22 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
wrote:

(snip to where you ran 3 months ago)

There you are!

Do you still think Putin is the good guy, and that western medias are
telling nothing but lies about what goes on in Ukraine?

--
Malte Runz

[Andrew W]

"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:b48lchdd53nmf5ptb...@4ax.com...

Anyone who hasn't yet figured out that the mainstream media is controlled
propaganda by corrupt organisations and corporations is a dunce.
If the MSM says that such & such is a bad guy then the opposite is true.
Were you one of the ones who believed that Iraq was evil and had weapons of
mass destruction? That lie was exposed as you know.

[JWS]

Iraq was evil. 50-50 is better than you.

[Andrew]

"Andrew W" wrote in message news:taeeue$1cbbn$1...@dont-email.me...
> "Malte Runz" wrote:

>> "Andrew W" wrote:
>>
>>(snip to where you ran 3 months ago)
>>
>>There you are!
>>
>>Do you still think Putin is the good guy, and that western medias are
>>telling nothing but lies about what goes on in Ukraine?
>
> Anyone who hasn't yet figured out that the mainstream media is controlled
> propaganda by corrupt organisations and corporations is a dunce.
> If the MSM says that such & such is a bad guy then the opposite is true.
> Were you one of the ones who believed that Iraq was evil and had weapons of
> mass destruction? That lie was exposed as you know.

My take. This Ukraine situation is developing
into WWIII. Cities will burn. People will burn.

[Andrew]

"JWS" wrote in message news:22725fb1-b32f-428b...@googlegroups.com...
> Andrew W wrote:
>> "Malte Runz" wrote:

>> >"Andrew W" wrote:
>> >
>> >(snip to where you ran 3 months ago)
>> >
>> >There you are!
>> >
>> >Do you still think Putin is the good guy, and that western medias are
>> >telling nothing but lies about what goes on in Ukraine?
>> >
>> Anyone who hasn't yet figured out that the mainstream media is controlled
>> propaganda by corrupt organisations and corporations is a dunce.
>> If the MSM says that such & such is a bad guy then the opposite is true.
>> Were you one of the ones who believed that Iraq was evil and had weapons of
>> mass destruction? That lie was exposed as you know.
>

> Iraq was evil.

There are many good people in all
countries.

You were obviously influenced by
propaganda of the corrupt media.

[JWS]

I know you support religiously motivated killings.
Religiously motivated killings were wide spread
in Iraq. You do not need the news to find that out.
And I have no doubt that you likely do not consider
any of that as being evil. So enjoy your free ride
while it lasts.

[Malte Runz]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 21:59:05 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:b48lchdd53nmf5ptb...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:49:22 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>(snip to where you ran 3 months ago)
>>
>>There you are!
>>
>>Do you still think Putin is the good guy, and that western medias are
>>telling nothing but lies about what goes on in Ukraine?
>>
>
>
>Anyone who hasn't yet figured out that the mainstream media is controlled
>propaganda by corrupt organisations and corporations is a dunce.
>If the MSM says that such & such is a bad guy then the opposite is true.

So, Putin is the good guy, and there have been no atrocities committed
by Russian soldiers in Ukraine, as reported by the likes of BBC, FOX,
Al Jazeera, CNN, Reuters, etc?

>Were you one of the ones who believed that Iraq was evil and had weapons of
>mass destruction? That lie was exposed as you know.

Irrelevant in this case. Are you suggesting that these images from
Mariupol are staged/faked/CGI, or something other than genuine
evidence of what the Russian forces are doing in Ukraine?
https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh

--
Malte Runz

[Andrew W]

"Malte Runz" wrote in message

news:u9qnch1s0j0v9b8p0...@4ax.com...

>On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 21:59:05 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:b48lchdd53nmf5ptb...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:49:22 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>(snip to where you ran 3 months ago)
>>>
>>>There you are!
>>>
>>>Do you still think Putin is the good guy, and that western medias are
>>>telling nothing but lies about what goes on in Ukraine?
>>>
>>
>>
>>Anyone who hasn't yet figured out that the mainstream media is controlled
>>propaganda by corrupt organisations and corporations is a dunce.
>>If the MSM says that such & such is a bad guy then the opposite is true.
>
>So, Putin is the good guy, and there have been no atrocities committed
>by Russian soldiers in Ukraine, as reported by the likes of BBC, FOX,
>Al Jazeera, CNN, Reuters, etc?
>

I'm not saying that Putin is innocent but I don't think most of the
atrocities are being committed by Russian soldiers. Don't just believe
everything you see in the media.
Putin only attacked deep state assets in the Ukraine because he is fed up
with NATO and others threatening his country and proliferating weapons
including nuclear. The rest is lies.

>
>>Were you one of the ones who believed that Iraq was evil and had weapons
>>of
>>mass destruction? That lie was exposed as you know.
>
>Irrelevant in this case. Are you suggesting that these images from
>Mariupol are staged/faked/CGI, or something other than genuine
>evidence of what the Russian forces are doing in Ukraine?
>https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
>https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
>https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh
>

They are being twisted to demonise Putin and Russia. The deep state want war
with Russia / WWIII.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <tah2hc$1mkcs$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com> wrote:

> Putin only attacked deep state assets in the Ukraine because he is fed up
> with NATO and others threatening his country and proliferating weapons
> including nuclear. The rest is lies.

I'm glad paranoia is working out for you.

--
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
I am an Andrea Chen sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed

[lordofal...@gmail.com]

Wow...I see Andrew's insanity isn't limited to religious topics.

[Malte Runz]

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:45:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:u9qnch1s0j0v9b8p0...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 21:59:05 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>news:b48lchdd53nmf5ptb...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:49:22 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>(snip to where you ran 3 months ago)
>>>>
>>>>There you are!
>>>>
>>>>Do you still think Putin is the good guy, and that western medias are
>>>>telling nothing but lies about what goes on in Ukraine?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Anyone who hasn't yet figured out that the mainstream media is controlled
>>>propaganda by corrupt organisations and corporations is a dunce.
>>>If the MSM says that such & such is a bad guy then the opposite is true.
>>
>>So, Putin is the good guy, and there have been no atrocities committed
>>by Russian soldiers in Ukraine, as reported by the likes of BBC, FOX,
>>Al Jazeera, CNN, Reuters, etc?
>>
>
>I'm not saying that Putin is innocent but I don't think most of the

>atrocities are being committed by Russian soldiers. ...

Why not? And if not the Russians, who bombed the civilian
infrastructure to smithereens? The evil Ukrainian Nazis?


> ... Don't just believe

>everything you see in the media.

That's not what you said. You said 'don't believe any of it'.

>Putin only attacked deep state assets in the Ukraine because he is fed up
>with NATO and others threatening his country and proliferating weapons

>including nuclear. ...

Jesus fucking Christ you're naive! Putin has for the longest time
wailed about how terrible it was that the Soviet Union fell apart, and
he has been riling his people up to this war of expansion for more
than a decade.


> ... The rest is lies.

He's a blood thirsty megalomaniac, who has gone all in, and will never
stop raging wars on his neighbors. You obviously choose to believe his
lies and propaganda, because it gives you reason to accuse the West of
doing what Putin himself is doing.

>
>>
>>>Were you one of the ones who believed that Iraq was evil and had weapons
>>>of
>>>mass destruction? That lie was exposed as you know.
>>
>>Irrelevant in this case. Are you suggesting that these images from
>>Mariupol are staged/faked/CGI, or something other than genuine
>>evidence of what the Russian forces are doing in Ukraine?
>>https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
>>https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
>>https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh
>>
>

>They are being twisted to demonise Putin and Russia. ...

Did you look at the images? How are they twisted? Do you want to see
images of people with their hands tied behind their back and a bullet
wound to the head? Do you want to hear the horror stories from the
people, who spent months in basements fearing the Russia soldiers
would find the daughters? Why the fuck are you defending the fascist
aggressors?



> ... The deep state want war
>with Russia / WWIII.

Your logic is a flawed as ever. If 'deep state' wanted a WWIII why
hasn't it simply started to fight the Russians? Start bombing the shit
out of them. First in Ukraine, then move on to the motherland itself.
They have the perfect excuse, plus they have the capability to destroy
the Russian militarily ten times over. You have no grasp of reality.

--
Malte Runz

[Malte Runz]

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:45:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:u9qnch1s0j0v9b8p0...@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 21:59:05 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>news:b48lchdd53nmf5ptb...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:49:22 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>(snip to where you ran 3 months ago)
>>>>
>>>>There you are!
>>>>
>>>>Do you still think Putin is the good guy, and that western medias are
>>>>telling nothing but lies about what goes on in Ukraine?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Anyone who hasn't yet figured out that the mainstream media is controlled
>>>propaganda by corrupt organisations and corporations is a dunce.
>>>If the MSM says that such & such is a bad guy then the opposite is true.
>>
>>So, Putin is the good guy, and there have been no atrocities committed
>>by Russian soldiers in Ukraine, as reported by the likes of BBC, FOX,
>>Al Jazeera, CNN, Reuters, etc?
>>
>
>I'm not saying that Putin is innocent but I don't think most of the

>atrocities are being committed by Russian soldiers. ...

Why not? And if not the Russians, who bombed the civilian
infrastructure to smithereens? The evil Ukrainian Nazis?

> ... Don't just believe

>everything you see in the media.

That's not what you said. You said 'don't believe any of it'.

>Putin only attacked deep state assets in the Ukraine because he is fed up
>with NATO and others threatening his country and proliferating weapons

>including nuclear. ...

Jesus fucking Christ you're naive! Putin has for the longest time
wailed about how terrible it was that the Soviet Union fell apart, and
he has been riling his people up to this war of expansion for more
than a decade.


> ... The rest is lies.

He's a blood thirsty megalomaniac, who has gone all in, and will never

stop waging wars on his neighbors. You obviously choose to believe his

lies and propaganda, because it gives you reason to accuse the West of
doing what Putin himself is doing.


>
>>

>>>Were you one of the ones who believed that Iraq was evil and had weapons
>>>of
>>>mass destruction? That lie was exposed as you know.
>>
>>Irrelevant in this case. Are you suggesting that these images from
>>Mariupol are staged/faked/CGI, or something other than genuine
>>evidence of what the Russian forces are doing in Ukraine?
>>https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
>>https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
>>https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh
>>
>

>They are being twisted to demonise Putin and Russia. ...

Did you look at the images? How are they twisted? Do you want to see
images of people with their hands tied behind their back and a bullet
wound to the head? Do you want to hear the horror stories from the

people, who spent months in basements fearing the Russian soldiers

would find the daughters? Why the fuck are you defending the fascist
aggressors?

> ... The deep state want war
>with Russia / WWIII.

Your logic is as flawed as ever. If 'deep state' wanted a WWIII why

hasn't it simply started to fight the Russians? Start bombing the shit
out of them. First in Ukraine, then move on to the motherland itself.
They have the perfect excuse, plus they have the capability to destroy

the Russians militarily ten times over. You have no grasp of reality.


--
Malte Runz

[Malte Runz]

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 18:57:35 +0200, Malte Runz <nob...@busine.ss>
wrote:

And into a cloud of brown smoke he runs again...

--
Malte Runz

[Andrew W]

"Malte Runz" wrote in message

news:dl1tchd7l5fkb1ee0...@4ax.com...

There's no point in telling you anything because you're just completely
blind to the lies from the authorities/media channels that you choose to
follow. You really want to follow them so have it your way.

Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
(freedom passes) that you took?

[Malte Runz]

On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:29:12 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

Never mind me. I'm not too fond of red herrings, actually.

How are the images I linked to "twisted"?

Do you accept that the Russian military has bombed civilian
infrastructure, and killed thousands?

Why hasn't WWIII not already begun, if it is, as you claim, the goal
of the 'Deep State' to start one?

>
>Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
>(freedom passes) that you took?

Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been no debilitating effects
whatsoever in my circles.


--
Malte Runz

[Andrew W]

"Malte Runz" wrote in message

news:vtptch5dk5ai1h1rp...@4ax.com...

>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:29:12 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:dl1tchd7l5fkb1ee0...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 18:57:35 +0200, Malte Runz <nob...@busine.ss>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:45:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>>>news:u9qnch1s0j0v9b8p0...@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 10 Jul 2022 21:59:05 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>

How would you know for certain if you saw a red herring?

>
>How are the images I linked to "twisted"?
>

They take footage from other places and times to give negative impressions.
CNN is the worst.

>
>Do you accept that the Russian military has bombed civilian
>infrastructure, and killed thousands?
>

I don't know exactly what has happened there and neither do you. Unless
someone goes there and interviews some people and militaries there we cannot
know for sure.
Some reporters have done that and given very opposing accounts.

>
>Why hasn't WWIII not already begun, if it is, as you claim, the goal
>of the 'Deep State' to start one?
>

A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer consented to
by the majority population so it will likely not happen.

>>
>>Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
>>(freedom passes) that you took?
>
>Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been no debilitating effects
>whatsoever in my circles.
>

You are lucky.

[Malte Runz]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:47:57 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

Are you not familiar with the expression?
https://tinyurl.com/2s869r78
"A red herring is a logical fallacy in which irrelevant information is
presented alongside relevant information, distracting attention from
that relevant information. This may be done intentionally or
unintentionally."

The very visible and recognizable Red Herring in this case is your
talk about what I believe or not. Now, back to the topic.

>
>>
>>How are the images I linked to "twisted"?

>
>
>They take footage from other places and times to give negative impressions.
>CNN is the worst.

Oh yeah? Prove that the images I presented are "from other places and
times". If your reply is 'the images could all be fake and you have to
prove they are not', you might as well hoist the white flag.

>
>>
>>Do you accept that the Russian military has bombed civilian
>>infrastructure, and killed thousands?
>>
>

>I don't know exactly what has happened there and neither do you. ...

You're basically regressing into 'nobody knows nothing about
anything'. What kind of an argument is that?

When you have hundreds of media outlets, independent of each other,
showing live videos of bombs falling, interviews with victims and
other kinds of 'on the ground reporting', it takes a leap of faith,
that only a person like you can take, to say it is all lies and poor
Putin is the victim.


> ... Unless

>someone goes there and interviews some people and militaries there we cannot
>know for sure.

What? There are tons of people reporting directly from the war zone,
talking to people, live streaming from the basements, cameras shaking
because of missiles exploding next door. You're saying that we can't
trust them and that is what I'm trying to get you to explain.

>Some reporters have done that ...

See! You do know that there are people reporting from the war zone.


> ... and given very opposing accounts.

Find me a credible reporter, who has been to Ukraine and tells a
different story from what my images tell.

>
>>
>>Why hasn't WWIII not already begun, if it is, as you claim, the goal
>>of the 'Deep State' to start one?
>>
>
>A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer consented to
>by the majority population so it will likely not happen.

So your bullshit about 'Deep State wants WWIII' was another red
herring. Got it.

>
>>>
>>>Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
>>>(freedom passes) that you took?
>>
>>Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been no debilitating effects
>>whatsoever in my circles.
>>
>
>You are lucky.

Yeah, Bill Gates can't even get that right.

--
Malte Runz

[Andrew W]

"Malte Runz" wrote in message

news:07lvchd9lremuonqn...@4ax.com...

>On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:47:57 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:vtptch5dk5ai1h1rp...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:29:12 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>>news:dl1tchd7l5fkb1ee0...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 18:57:35 +0200, Malte Runz <nob...@busine.ss>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:45:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ... The deep state want war
>>>>>>>with Russia / WWIII.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your logic is as flawed as ever. If 'deep state' wanted a WWIII why
>>>>>>hasn't it simply started to fight the Russians? Start bombing the shit
>>>>>>out of them. First in Ukraine, then move on to the motherland itself.
>>>>>>They have the perfect excuse, plus they have the capability to destroy
>>>>>>the Russians militarily ten times over. You have no grasp of reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>And into a cloud of brown smoke he runs again...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There's no point in telling you anything because you're just completely
>>>>blind to the lies from the authorities/media channels that you choose to
>>>>follow. You really want to follow them so have it your way.
>>>
>>>Never mind me. I'm not too fond of red herrings, actually.
>>>
>>
>>How would you know for certain if you saw a red herring?
>
>Are you not familiar with the expression?
>https://tinyurl.com/2s869r78
>"A red herring is a logical fallacy in which irrelevant information is
>presented alongside relevant information, distracting attention from
>that relevant information. This may be done intentionally or
>unintentionally."
>
>The very visible and recognizable Red Herring in this case is your
>talk about what I believe or not. Now, back to the topic.
>

So what do you believe? You've made it clear that you prefer to believe the
MSM. They are the experts in producing high quality red herrings for the
ignorant masses.

You need to watch the following. (increase playback speed to save time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBLxNIVCo0
Then watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8

>
>>
>>>
>>>How are the images I linked to "twisted"?
>
>>
>>
>>They take footage from other places and times to give negative
>>impressions.
>>CNN is the worst.
>
>Oh yeah? Prove that the images I presented are "from other places and
>times". If your reply is 'the images could all be fake and you have to
>prove they are not', you might as well hoist the white flag.
>

I could never prove this or anything to you and you know it. You have to be
able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the world but
you can't see the writing on the wall.
The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and you
wouldn't know it. In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
won't hear/tolerate them.

>>
>>>
>>>Do you accept that the Russian military has bombed civilian
>>>infrastructure, and killed thousands?
>>>
>>
>>I don't know exactly what has happened there and neither do you. ...
>
>You're basically regressing into 'nobody knows nothing about
>anything'. What kind of an argument is that?
>
>When you have hundreds of media outlets, independent of each other,
>

No they are not so independent. They all get their reports from sources like
Reuters which are controlled by large corporations, political and financial
entities, and lobby groups and think tanks.
And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by such
bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know all of
this?

>
>showing live videos of bombs falling, interviews with victims and
>other kinds of 'on the ground reporting', it takes a leap of faith,
>that only a person like you can take, to say it is all lies and poor
>Putin is the victim.
>

How would you know if something is live, and showing Russian bombs falling
and not Ukrainian bombs?
And then there are crisis actors that have magically reappeared in many of
the interviews (see the first video I linked).
No I don't use faith. I search for the truth whatever form it comes in. You
only judge books by their covers it seems.
You put as much faith in the media as religious people put in their gods. I
don't see that as maturity.

>
>
>
>> ... Unless
>>someone goes there and interviews some people and militaries there we
>>cannot
>>know for sure.
>
>What? There are tons of people reporting directly from the war zone,
>

There are not tons of people.

>
>talking to people, live streaming from the basements, cameras shaking
>because of missiles exploding next door. You're saying that we can't
>trust them and that is what I'm trying to get you to explain.
>

What you don't know is that the honest reporters and networks there are
shunned and censored.
We don't live in a free world. I bet you thought that we did.

>
>>Some reporters have done that ...
>
>See! You do know that there are people reporting from the war zone.
>

Some truth does get out yes. The question you have to ask yourself is why
you only see one side. The answer is sometimes you do but you reject it due
to conditioning from the secret societies that run this planet.
Now you're probably going to say that you don't believe secret societies
exist or that they can't control much.

>
>> ... and given very opposing accounts.
>
>Find me a credible reporter, who has been to Ukraine and tells a
>different story from what my images tell.
>

Impossible since you can't judge what a credible reporter is.

>>
>>>
>>>Why hasn't WWIII not already begun, if it is, as you claim, the goal
>>>of the 'Deep State' to start one?
>>>
>>
>>A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer consented to
>>by the majority population so it will likely not happen.
>
>So your bullshit about 'Deep State wants WWIII' was another red
>herring. Got it.
>

No, they did indeed plan for that, but who cares what the crooks planned.
They're not getting their way any more. Things have changed on this world.
Most humans have learned major lessons about authorities and trust, but not
all humans it seems.

>>
>>>>
>>>>Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
>>>>(freedom passes) that you took?
>>>
>>>Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been no debilitating effects
>>>whatsoever in my circles.
>>>
>>
>>You are lucky.
>
>Yeah, Bill Gates can't even get that right.
>

Why do you give away so much power to authorities?

[Andrew]

"Andrew W" wrote in message news:tanljg$2g7vi$1...@dont-email.me...

> A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer
> consented to by the majority population so it will likely not happen.

That's not the direction we're going.

[%]

it will be anarchy , the sun will blow up ,
women will lose all their false parts and ,
all make up and hair dye will be gone ,
then lets see women go out and find ,
an honest man after that

it's friday are you having a bodacious day

[Malte Runz]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:55:13 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

>So what do you believe? ...

I believe I see another red herring.

> ... You've made it clear that you prefer to believe the
>MSM.

Really? I tend to believe sources that present evidence and have a
track record that make them worthy of my trust.

> ... They are the experts in producing high quality red herrings for the
>ignorant masses.

Good thing I'm not ignorant.

>
>You need to watch the following. (increase playback speed to save time)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBLxNIVCo0

49 minutes of Operation Mockingbird. Are you kidding me?

>Then watch
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8

More than an hour of video from a channel called "Aliens and hard
truths of this world". How is all this relevant?

I don't need to watch any of that for you to answer some of my
questions.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>How are the images I linked to "twisted"?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>They take footage from other places and times to give negative
>>>impressions.
>>>CNN is the worst.
>>
>>Oh yeah? Prove that the images I presented are "from other places and
>>times". If your reply is 'the images could all be fake and you have to
>>prove they are not', you might as well hoist the white flag.
>>
>

>I could never prove this or anything to you and you know it. ...

Let me put it another way then. What makes you think the specific
photos I linked to (and they were randomly picked out of thousands)
might be "footage from other places and times"?
I'm sure your evasion would have been the same if I had linked to five
other photos of the same events, taken by other photographers.


> ... You have to be

>able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the world but
>you can't see the writing on the wall.
>The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and you

>wouldn't know it. ...

Ask yourself how likely that is. Why would they do that? To smear
Putin? Don't be an idiot.

> ... In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
>won't hear/tolerate them.

And your "alternative sources" have evidence? Russian propaganda is
extremely effective and manipulative, and if you followed your own
advice 'follow the money', or in this case 'follow the vested
interest' it becomes very obvious who benefits from sowing doubt about
who does the bombing and the raping and the killing.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you accept that the Russian military has bombed civilian
>>>>infrastructure, and killed thousands?
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know exactly what has happened there and neither do you. ...
>>
>>You're basically regressing into 'nobody knows nothing about
>>anything'. What kind of an argument is that?
>>
>>When you have hundreds of media outlets, independent of each other,
>>
>

>No they are not so independent. ...

I was hoping that you would have spotted my grammatical error. It
should have been "independently of each other". When you have several
sources telling the same story, it heightens the plausibility of the
story being true. Basic stuff.

> ... They all get their reports from sources like

>Reuters which are controlled by large corporations, political and financial
>entities, and lobby groups and think tanks.

That's where you're wrong. I'm talking about the journalists and film
crews on location, often streaming live to TV stations or on-line
services. You are basically saying that I should not believe any of
them because the images could all be faked or taken from other areas
and times.

>And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by such
>bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know all of
>this?

No, because it is not true. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of
independent (sic) reporters, who show the images and tell the stories
they want, and there's is no 'Deep State' controlling their output.

>
>>
>>showing live videos of bombs falling, interviews with victims and
>>other kinds of 'on the ground reporting', it takes a leap of faith,
>>that only a person like you can take, to say it is all lies and poor
>>Putin is the victim.
>>
>
>How would you know if something is live, and showing Russian bombs falling
>and not Ukrainian bombs?

It could also be aliens, right? Ask yourself if the Ukrainians would
do that to their own people? Would you participate in bombing
Melbourne to the ground and blame China just to make Xi Jinping look
bad?

>And then there are crisis actors that have magically reappeared in many of
>the interviews (see the first video I linked).

The Mockingbird video? Give me the time stamps and I'll look.

>No I don't use faith. I search for the truth whatever form it comes in. ...

Except when it comes from an established news organization that tells
a story you don't agree with. Then you're sure it's a lie.

> ... You

>only judge books by their covers it seems.
>You put as much faith in the media as religious people put in their gods. I
>don't see that as maturity.

Do I trust a Reuters journalist, who spent three weeks on the ground
in Ukraine, more than a guy who's whole identity is build around him
calling that journalist a liar? Hell yes.

>>
>>
>>
>>> ... Unless
>>>someone goes there and interviews some people and militaries there we
>>>cannot
>>>know for sure.
>>
>>What? There are tons of people reporting directly from the war zone,
>>
>
>There are not tons of people.

Yes, there is. Here are 12 of them:
https://www.indy100.com/news/journalists-reporting-from-ukraine

>
>>
>>talking to people, live streaming from the basements, cameras shaking
>>because of missiles exploding next door. You're saying that we can't
>>trust them and that is what I'm trying to get you to explain.
>>
>
>What you don't know is that the honest reporters and networks there are
>shunned and censored.

Bullshit. Censored by whom? Be very specific, and don't forget to
present the evidence.

>We don't live in a free world. I bet you thought that we did.

Some are more free than others. I have known that pretty much all my
life. You don't need to misrepresent my views all the time to make a
point. Well, maybe you do...

>
>>
>>>Some reporters have done that ...
>>
>>See! You do know that there are people reporting from the war zone.
>>
>

>Some truth does get out yes. ...

Give us an example of a truth that got out (stick to the war on
Ukraine), and explain how you know it is the truth.


> ... The question you have to ask yourself is why

>you only see one side. The answer is sometimes you do but you reject it due
>to conditioning from the secret societies that run this planet.
>Now you're probably going to say that you don't believe secret societies
>exist or that they can't control much.

[Yawn] All this simply to avoid explaining how the images I showed you
are "twisted". Remember? That's where we started and of course we end
up with Mockingbird and secret societies and aliens and all the rest.

>
>>
>>> ... and given very opposing accounts.
>>
>>Find me a credible reporter, who has been to Ukraine and tells a
>>different story from what my images tell.
>>
>
>Impossible since you can't judge what a credible reporter is.

Give it a try. If I'm wrong in my critique you can always provide
counter evidence. If you want an echo chamber you came to the wrong
place.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Why hasn't WWIII not already begun, if it is, as you claim, the goal
>>>>of the 'Deep State' to start one?
>>>>
>>>
>>>A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer consented to
>>>by the majority population so it will likely not happen.
>>
>>So your bullshit about 'Deep State wants WWIII' was another red
>>herring. Got it.
>>
>

>No, they did indeed plan for that, ...

Were the Aliens in on it too?

> ... but who cares what the crooks planned.

You seem to care. A lot.

>They're not getting their way any more. ...

Thanks to you and the other brave keyboard warriors exposing the
secret societies and their evil plans to kill off billions and tax the
rest.


> ... Things have changed on this world.

>Most humans have learned major lessons about authorities and trust, but not
>all humans it seems.

Some babies never learn.

>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
>>>>>(freedom passes) that you took?
>>>>
>>>>Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been no debilitating effects
>>>>whatsoever in my circles.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are lucky.
>>
>>Yeah, Bill Gates can't even get that right.
>>
>
>Why do you give away so much power to authorities?

How are the images "twisted"?

--
Malte Runz

[Andrew]

"%" wrote in message news:Ya-dnR-9Npaa6Uz_...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:

>> "Andrew W" wrote:
>>
>>> A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer
>>> consented to by the majority population so it will likely not happen.
>>
>> That's not the direction we're going.
>>
>> Cities will burn. People will burn.
>>
> it will be anarchy , the sun will blow up ,
> women will lose all their false parts and ,
> all make up and hair dye will be gone ,
> then lets see women go out and find ,
> an honest man after that
>
> it's friday are you having a bodacious day

A beautiful day where I live. This morning on
my walk I got to see Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and
the full Moon.

[Andrew W]

"Malte Runz" wrote in message

news:fn83dhttg5id8ejch...@4ax.com...

>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:55:13 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:07lvchd9lremuonqn...@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:47:57 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>>news:vtptch5dk5ai1h1rp...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:29:12 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:dl1tchd7l5fkb1ee0...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 18:57:35 +0200, Malte Runz <nob...@busine.ss>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 21:45:45 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

>>>>>>There's no point in telling you anything because you're just
>>>>>>completely
>>>>>>blind to the lies from the authorities/media channels that you choose
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>follow. You really want to follow them so have it your way.
>>>>>
>>>>>Never mind me. I'm not too fond of red herrings, actually.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How would you know for certain if you saw a red herring?
>>>
>>>Are you not familiar with the expression?
>>>https://tinyurl.com/2s869r78
>>>"A red herring is a logical fallacy in which irrelevant information is
>>>presented alongside relevant information, distracting attention from
>>>that relevant information. This may be done intentionally or
>>>unintentionally."
>>>
>>>The very visible and recognizable Red Herring in this case is your
>>>talk about what I believe or not. Now, back to the topic.
>>>
>>
>>So what do you believe? ...
>
>I believe I see another red herring.
>

Ah so ~you~ only adhere to reality and facts, and it's only others that hold
beliefs. I see.

>> ... You've made it clear that you prefer to believe the
>>MSM.
>
>Really? I tend to believe sources that present evidence and have a
>track record that make them worthy of my trust.
>

No, one can only hold ~beliefs~ in particular sources and evidences. Only
arrogance makes you think that your choices are the only valid and true
ones.

>
>> ... They are the experts in producing high quality red herrings for the
>>ignorant masses.
>
>Good thing I'm not ignorant.
>

How would you know? That cannot be self assessed.
Only ignorant people say such things with such self certainty.
Yes you can be good in certain areas of information, but you can't expect to
see everything from one perspective.

>>
>>You need to watch the following. (increase playback speed to save time)
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBLxNIVCo0
>
>49 minutes of Operation Mockingbird. Are you kidding me?
>

It has crucial information about the CIA and how they control CNN and other
networks. Same with the other video.
I know you want to get the facts in five minutes but life doesn't work that
way.

>
>>Then watch
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8
>
>More than an hour of video from a channel called "Aliens and hard
>truths of this world". How is all this relevant?
>

Yes very relevant.

>
>I don't need to watch any of that for you to answer some of my
>questions.
>

Your questions show much naivety and lack of knowledge about how this world
works.
Clearly you are not looking for answers, but to have fun mocking what you
falsely call conspiracy theorists.

>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How are the images I linked to "twisted"?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They take footage from other places and times to give negative
>>>>impressions.
>>>>CNN is the worst.
>>>
>>>Oh yeah? Prove that the images I presented are "from other places and
>>>times". If your reply is 'the images could all be fake and you have to
>>>prove they are not', you might as well hoist the white flag.
>>>
>>
>>I could never prove this or anything to you and you know it. ...
>
>Let me put it another way then. What makes you think the specific
>photos I linked to (and they were randomly picked out of thousands)
>might be "footage from other places and times"?
>I'm sure your evasion would have been the same if I had linked to five
>other photos of the same events, taken by other photographers.
>

Plenty of reporters have presented evidence, which you and other dopes
somehow are always oblivious to.

Does Ukraine use Star Wars Tie Fighters?
https://tinyurl.com/49ux2h5a

Fake dead girl photo
https://tinyurl.com/fspz3dy3

Debunking resurfaced images of Ukrainian soldiers 'caged like dogs'
https://tinyurl.com/bp9xa322

Fact check on ‘Ukraine invasion’ photos
https://tinyurl.com/3en33n6r

Seven ways to spot fake photographs of the war in Ukraine
https://tinyurl.com/264ynkcv

>
>> ... You have to be
>>able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the world
>>but
>>you can't see the writing on the wall.
>>The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and you
>>wouldn't know it. ...
>
>Ask yourself how likely that is. Why would they do that? To smear
>Putin? Don't be an idiot.
>

You just discard and ridicule whatever doesn't fit your world view.
If the deep state controls the mainstream media then they will definitely
want to smear anyone who stands in their way.
Putin has been progressive in getting rid of western control and
exploitation. You don't even know Putin at all except what you've head from
one side.

>
>> ... In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
>>won't hear/tolerate them.
>
>And your "alternative sources" have evidence? Russian propaganda is
>extremely effective and manipulative, and if you followed your own
>advice 'follow the money', or in this case 'follow the vested
>interest' it becomes very obvious who benefits from sowing doubt about
>who does the bombing and the raping and the killing.
>

You don't know what you're talking about. You're just a newsgroup armchair
critic.

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you accept that the Russian military has bombed civilian
>>>>>infrastructure, and killed thousands?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't know exactly what has happened there and neither do you. ...
>>>
>>>You're basically regressing into 'nobody knows nothing about
>>>anything'. What kind of an argument is that?
>>>
>>>When you have hundreds of media outlets, independent of each other,
>>>
>>
>>No they are not so independent. ...
>
>I was hoping that you would have spotted my grammatical error. It
>should have been "independently of each other".
>

I don't see that as better. Why be so pedantic?

>
>When you have several
>sources telling the same story, it heightens the plausibility of the
>story being true. Basic stuff.
>

No not basic stuff. You fail to realise that it also can show that they all
get their info from a main source.
There is plenty of info on this and I have posted them often enough. The
videos I posted give much info on this.
You need to open your mind and educate yourself more.

It's summed up quite well here
https://www.quora.com/Where-do-news-agency-get-their-news-information
Scroll down to third one

quote -
"All of the major news agencies, channels, and news papers, all pay a
subscription fee to massive news and informational gathering agencies. These
agencies often have reporters with very rare passes which allow them special
interviews and or access to various people, places and things around the
world.
These news gathering organizations have their own reporters which put
together major news stories in the form of reports, then whichever of the
mainstream media networks which subscribe to the news gathering agency will
receive these reports from the news gathering agency. Then those mainstream
media networks can make a decision on which stories they wish to report, and
which they wish to discard.
The reason that most mainstream news agencies all report the same news, but
only with their own little slight spin or “wording / expression”, is because
they all subscribe to the exact same news gathering agencies.
One of these news gathering agencies, for example, would be “Reuters”."


Who Owns The News Media?
https://montereybayareanews.com/who-owns-the-news-media/

>
>> ... They all get their reports from sources like
>>Reuters which are controlled by large corporations, political and
>>financial
>>entities, and lobby groups and think tanks.
>
>That's where you're wrong. I'm talking about the journalists and film
>crews on location, often streaming live to TV stations or on-line
>services.
>

Do you really think that all those journalists and TV crews can just stream
and forward to the public whatever they see willy nilly without first going
through any regulation, approval and censorship?? Seriously?

>
>You are basically saying that I should not believe any of
>them because the images could all be faked or taken from other areas
>and times.
>

Countless have already been proven as false. Networks have been sued, you
just haven't heard about them. You relax in your faith and naivety.

>
>>And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by such
>>bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know all
>>of
>>this?
>
>No, because it is not true. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of
>independent (sic) reporters, who show the images and tell the stories
>they want, and there's is no 'Deep State' controlling their output.
>

Oh boy. "It's not true, it's not true". Get your fingers out of your ears
for pete's sake. Get a clue. You're in denial.

>>
>>>
>>>showing live videos of bombs falling, interviews with victims and
>>>other kinds of 'on the ground reporting', it takes a leap of faith,
>>>that only a person like you can take, to say it is all lies and poor
>>>Putin is the victim.
>>>
>>
>>How would you know if something is live, and showing Russian bombs falling
>>and not Ukrainian bombs?
>
>It could also be aliens, right? Ask yourself if the Ukrainians would
>do that to their own people? Would you participate in bombing
>Melbourne to the ground and blame China just to make Xi Jinping look
>bad?
>

You're right, Ukrainians would NOT do that to THEIR own people. But it's not
Ukrainians who are carrying out those atrocities, it's factions of cabals
that have been occupying that area for quite a while. The MSM doesn't
mention them. I wonder why.

>
>>And then there are crisis actors that have magically reappeared in many of
>>the interviews (see the first video I linked).
>
>The Mockingbird video? Give me the time stamps and I'll look.
>

https://youtu.be/uJBLxNIVCo0?t=2078

>
>>No I don't use faith. I search for the truth whatever form it comes in.
>>...
>
>Except when it comes from an established news organization that tells
>a story you don't agree with. Then you're sure it's a lie.
>

Stop being stupid. It's not as simple as that. I don't just reject
established sources due to bias or prejudice like you. I take in and
consider many sources over time.

>
>> ... You
>>only judge books by their covers it seems.
>>You put as much faith in the media as religious people put in their gods.
>>I
>>don't see that as maturity.
>
>Do I trust a Reuters journalist, who spent three weeks on the ground
>in Ukraine, more than a guy who's whole identity is build around him
>calling that journalist a liar? Hell yes.
>

You know it's not as simple as one journalist being a liar. He has to
forward the reports and images on to the networks and it's they who do with
it as they choose.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ... Unless
>>>>someone goes there and interviews some people and militaries there we
>>>>cannot
>>>>know for sure.
>>>
>>>What? There are tons of people reporting directly from the war zone,
>>>
>>
>>There are not tons of people.
>
>Yes, there is. Here are 12 of them:
>https://www.indy100.com/news/journalists-reporting-from-ukraine
>

Yes of course there are many/tons who use their cameras to shoot videos and
do interviews, but do you see all of that?? Do they all just broadcast
their stuff directly onto the TV networks for public viewing?

>>
>>>
>>>talking to people, live streaming from the basements, cameras shaking
>>>because of missiles exploding next door. You're saying that we can't
>>>trust them and that is what I'm trying to get you to explain.
>>>
>>
>>What you don't know is that the honest reporters and networks there are
>>shunned and censored.
>
>Bullshit. Censored by whom? Be very specific, and don't forget to
>present the evidence.
>

Lol, I don't know the cabal operator's individual names. They work for
various big corporations like Blackrock and alphabet agencies.
And the only reason you demand evidence is because you've already made up
your mind what to believe and so refuse to research any other side of the
story.

>
>>We don't live in a free world. I bet you thought that we did.
>
>Some are more free than others. I have known that pretty much all my
>life. You don't need to misrepresent my views all the time to make a
>point. Well, maybe you do...
>

When we are free to travel without red tape and restrictions, and can
explore the planets in this solar system, I will agree that we have freedom,
not before.

>>
>>>
>>>>Some reporters have done that ...
>>>
>>>See! You do know that there are people reporting from the war zone.
>>>
>>
>>Some truth does get out yes. ...
>
>Give us an example of a truth that got out (stick to the war on
>Ukraine), and explain how you know it is the truth.
>

You want to waste more of my time.

>
>> ... The question you have to ask yourself is why
>>you only see one side. The answer is sometimes you do but you reject it
>>due
>>to conditioning from the secret societies that run this planet.
>>Now you're probably going to say that you don't believe secret societies
>>exist or that they can't control much.
>
>[Yawn] All this simply to avoid explaining how the images I showed you
>are "twisted". Remember? That's where we started and of course we end
>up with Mockingbird and secret societies and aliens and all the rest.
>

One thing is clear. Your mind is narrow.

>>
>>>
>>>> ... and given very opposing accounts.
>>>
>>>Find me a credible reporter, who has been to Ukraine and tells a
>>>different story from what my images tell.
>>>
>>
>>Impossible since you can't judge what a credible reporter is.
>
>Give it a try. If I'm wrong in my critique you can always provide
>counter evidence. If you want an echo chamber you came to the wrong
>place.
>>

Find someone else to play games with.

>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why hasn't WWIII not already begun, if it is, as you claim, the goal
>>>>>of the 'Deep State' to start one?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer consented
>>>>to
>>>>by the majority population so it will likely not happen.
>>>
>>>So your bullshit about 'Deep State wants WWIII' was another red
>>>herring. Got it.
>>>
>>
>>No, they did indeed plan for that, ...
>
>Were the Aliens in on it too?
>

Find out for yourself.
Have ETs been secretly meddling in world affairs since even before biblical
times? You might be shocked. Can you handle it?

>
>> ... but who cares what the crooks planned.
>
>You seem to care. A lot.
>

I'm only informing people.

>
>>They're not getting their way any more. ...
>
>Thanks to you and the other brave keyboard warriors exposing the
>secret societies and their evil plans to kill off billions and tax the
>rest.
>

Not keyboard warriors. There are big players involved. But they don't parade
themselves in the MSM. I know you wish they did.

>
>> ... Things have changed on this world.
>>Most humans have learned major lessons about authorities and trust, but
>>not
>>all humans it seems.
>
>Some babies never learn.
>

And some adults also never learn, no matter how much they go to university.

>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
>>>>>>(freedom passes) that you took?
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been no debilitating effects
>>>>>whatsoever in my circles.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are lucky.
>>>
>>>Yeah, Bill Gates can't even get that right.
>>>
>>
>>Why do you give away so much power to authorities?
>
>How are the images "twisted"?
>

There are so many ways to twist and substitute images and spin narratives.
Why waste my time with puerile questions?
Show some intelligence, initiative, astuteness and open mindedness.

[Malte Runz]

On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:13:05 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

No, you don't. Read the definition of 'Red Herring' again.

>
>
>>> ... You've made it clear that you prefer to believe the
>>>MSM.
>>
>>Really? I tend to believe sources that present evidence and have a
>>track record that make them worthy of my trust.
>>
>
>No, one can only hold ~beliefs~ in particular sources and evidences. Only
>arrogance makes you think that your choices are the only valid and true
>ones.

Good thing I'm not that arrogant.

>
>>
>>> ... They are the experts in producing high quality red herrings for the
>>>ignorant masses.
>>
>>Good thing I'm not ignorant.
>>
>
>How would you know? That cannot be self assessed.
>Only ignorant people say such things with such self certainty.
>Yes you can be good in certain areas of information, but you can't expect to
>see everything from one perspective.

Here is what you said back in April:
"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
mainstream media says."

That is your one and only perspective.

>
>>>
>>>You need to watch the following. (increase playback speed to save time)
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBLxNIVCo0
>>
>>49 minutes of Operation Mockingbird. Are you kidding me?
>>
>
>It has crucial information about the CIA and how they control CNN and other
>networks. Same with the other video.
>I know you want to get the facts in five minutes but life doesn't work that
>way.
>
>>
>>>Then watch
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8
>>
>>More than an hour of video from a channel called "Aliens and hard
>>truths of this world". How is all this relevant?
>>
>
>Yes very relevant.

I asked "how" is it relevant. Remember, I'm still trying to get you to
explain how you determine that these images (to which the links have
been snipped somehow) are "twisted".

https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh



>
>>

>>I don't need to watch any of that for you to answer some of my
>>questions.
>>
>
>Your questions show much naivety and lack of knowledge about how this world
>works.
>Clearly you are not looking for answers, but to have fun mocking what you
>falsely call conspiracy theorists.

I'm trying to nail your brown ass to a cross, buddy.

>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How are the images I linked to "twisted"?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They take footage from other places and times to give negative
>>>>>impressions.
>>>>>CNN is the worst.
>>>>
>>>>Oh yeah? Prove that the images I presented are "from other places and
>>>>times". If your reply is 'the images could all be fake and you have to
>>>>prove they are not', you might as well hoist the white flag.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I could never prove this or anything to you and you know it. ...
>>
>>Let me put it another way then. What makes you think the specific
>>photos I linked to (and they were randomly picked out of thousands)
>>might be "footage from other places and times"?
>>I'm sure your evasion would have been the same if I had linked to five
>>other photos of the same events, taken by other photographers.
>>
>
>Plenty of reporters have presented evidence, which you and other dopes
>somehow are always oblivious to.
>
>Does Ukraine use Star Wars Tie Fighters?
>https://tinyurl.com/49ux2h5a

Let me guess. You are saying that this is proof that Deep State
deliberately planted this obviously manipulated video in a minor
Israeli news channel to smear poor little Putin.
Here is some background info on that video:
https://tinyurl.com/2n8my6k8
"Israeli TV Aired A 'Star Wars' Clip With Russia-Ukraine Footage & It
Was So Out Of Place
...
What's a TIE fighter from Star Wars doing in the middle of Russia's
invasion of Ukraine?

Israel's Channel 13 News is catching some heat online for a
blink-and-you'll-miss-it mistake in one of its Russia-Ukraine reports
on Monday.

According to videos shared from a current affairs show on the network,
the station played a brief Star Wars promotional video alongside a
bunch of footage from Ukraine.

It was short, but it clearly showed a crashed spaceship and a couple
of Stormtroopers standing beside it on a country road.

How does that happen? We have absolutely no idea, but people were
quick to mock it online.

The original clip was apparently produced for a German TV network in
2014, and it's not an actual scene from one of the movies."

Everybody can see it's fake and nobody ever believed is was from
Ukraine.

>Fake dead girl photo
>https://tinyurl.com/fspz3dy3

"Verification within Meta’s Third-Party Fact-Checking Program"

(Fact-Checking? OMG!. You're being manipulated by Big Deep!!!!!!!)

"Facebook users shared a screenshot from Nastia Savchyshyn’s post, a
girl allegedly appearing in the picture of the Bucha victims. In the
screenshot, the girl denies her death. "

It was a fucking Facebook post. Haven't you learned anything? Here is
another story about a young woman from Bucha:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8cyyvu

"Ukrainian woman raped, killed by Russian troops found in mass grave
in Bucha
The body of a 23-year-old Ukrainian woman has been discovered among
hundreds of corpses in a mass grave in Bucha after she was raped,
tortured and shot in the head, according to her grieving loved ones.

Karina Yershova, who lost her nails in the apparent fight for her
life, was discovered dumped in a garden in the besieged Kyiv suburb,
the Telegraph reported Wednesday.

“She was shot at point-blank range. Almost half of her head was
missing,” Andrii, the tragic woman’s stepfather, told the news outlet
..."

Do you believe the story from New York Post? Is the image of the men
carrying body bags from another time and place and used to falsely
blame Putin?

>
>Debunking resurfaced images of Ukrainian soldiers 'caged like dogs'
>https://tinyurl.com/bp9xa322

I can't see the photo and it doesn't say where and by whom the image
was posted. But when the caption says "users claim" I believe it to be
on social media somewhere. You'll never catch me using SM as a
reliable source.

Here's another story about Ukrainian POWs:
https://theworld.org/stories/infamous-russian-rebel-admits-killing-ukrainian-pows-report

>
>Fact check on ‘Ukraine invasion’ photos
>https://tinyurl.com/3en33n6r

"But misleading information – such as wrongly attributed images and
videos – aren’t necessarily part of some calculated plot by bad actors
to manipulate an audience. Social media has cultivated an environment
where users feverishly share and consume information without much
thought. And when content grows distance from its original source or
context and takes on a faux life, the end result is more people are
exposed and may spread the inaccurate information."

I agree, and your example does not debunk the millions of real
pictures from Ukraine showing the horrors of Putin's war.

>
>Seven ways to spot fake photographs of the war in Ukraine
>https://tinyurl.com/264ynkcv

Great. Now, use that to show me how the images I linked to are
"twisted".

>
>>
>>> ... You have to be
>>>able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the world
>>>but
>>>you can't see the writing on the wall.
>>>The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and you
>>>wouldn't know it. ...
>>
>>Ask yourself how likely that is. Why would they do that? To smear
>>Putin? Don't be an idiot.
>>
>
>You just discard and ridicule whatever doesn't fit your world view.

""The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
mainstream media says.""

>If the deep state controls the mainstream media then they will definitely
>want to smear anyone who stands in their way.

Key word: "If".

>Putin has been progressive in getting rid of western control and
>exploitation. You don't even know Putin at all except what you've head from
>one side.

Whereas you know that he's the good guy, trying to rid Ukraine of evil
Nazis.

"Kryuchok, leska i gruzilo." That's Russian in case you wondered.

>>
>>> ... In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
>>>won't hear/tolerate them.
>>
>>And your "alternative sources" have evidence? Russian propaganda is
>>extremely effective and manipulative, and if you followed your own
>>advice 'follow the money', or in this case 'follow the vested
>>interest' it becomes very obvious who benefits from sowing doubt about
>>who does the bombing and the raping and the killing.
>>
>
>You don't know what you're talking about. You're just a newsgroup armchair
>critic.

Never claimed to be anything else. I do, though, know enough about
international politics and history to understand that men like Putin
are dangerous and shouldn't be trusted.

>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you accept that the Russian military has bombed civilian
>>>>>>infrastructure, and killed thousands?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know exactly what has happened there and neither do you. ...
>>>>
>>>>You're basically regressing into 'nobody knows nothing about
>>>>anything'. What kind of an argument is that?
>>>>
>>>>When you have hundreds of media outlets, independent of each other,
>>>>
>>>
>>>No they are not so independent. ...
>>
>>I was hoping that you would have spotted my grammatical error. It
>>should have been "independently of each other".
>>
>

>I don't see that as better. ...

Really? How come that I, a Dane, must explain the difference to you, a
native English speaker? I didn't mean to say that all the reporters
are independent. Many work for established news outlets, big or small.
When I say they work 'independently of each other' it means something
different.


> ... Why be so pedantic?

Because the difference, in this case, is important.

>>When you have several
>>sources telling the same story, it heightens the plausibility of the
>>story being true. Basic stuff.

That's why I was being pedantic.

>
>No not basic stuff. ...

Of course it is! When you have many sources 'independently of each
other' reporting the same story it gives credence to their
testimonies. Come on, even you must know that.



> ... You fail to realise that it also can show that they all

>get their info from a main source.

God damned, you're slow. I am specifically talking about the people
who DO NOT get their stories from the same source. I'm talking about
people on the ground reporting on the stories from their own
individual perspective.

>There is plenty of info on this and I have posted them often enough. The
>videos I posted give much info on this.
>You need to open your mind and educate yourself more.
>
>It's summed up quite well here
>https://www.quora.com/Where-do-news-agency-get-their-news-information
>Scroll down to third one
>
>quote -
>"All of the major news agencies, channels, and news papers, all pay a
>subscription fee to massive news and informational gathering agencies. These
>agencies often have reporters with very rare passes which allow them special
>interviews and or access to various people, places and things around the
>world.
>These news gathering organizations have their own reporters which put
>together major news stories in the form of reports, then whichever of the
>mainstream media networks which subscribe to the news gathering agency will
>receive these reports from the news gathering agency. Then those mainstream
>media networks can make a decision on which stories they wish to report, and
>which they wish to discard.
>The reason that most mainstream news agencies all report the same news, but
>only with their own little slight spin or “wording / expression”, is because
>they all subscribe to the exact same news gathering agencies.
>One of these news gathering agencies, for example, would be “Reuters”."

Yes. Reuters is one of the big ones. But I've made an effort to
explain to you, that there are many reporters who DO NOT use Reuters'
product in their reporting. I have been trying to get you to respond
to their stories.

>
>
>Who Owns The News Media?
>https://montereybayareanews.com/who-owns-the-news-media/

Nothing there is news to me, and it does not invalidate the news
coming out of Ukraine. Let me ask you, who runs the main news sources
in Russia? Why do you trust them to tell you the truth about the war
in Ukraine?

>
>
>>
>>> ... They all get their reports from sources like
>>>Reuters which are controlled by large corporations, political and
>>>financial
>>>entities, and lobby groups and think tanks.
>>
>>That's where you're wrong. I'm talking about the journalists and film
>>crews on location, often streaming live to TV stations or on-line
>>services.
>>
>
>Do you really think that all those journalists and TV crews can just stream
>and forward to the public whatever they see willy nilly without first going
>through any regulation, approval and censorship?? Seriously?

No, not all, of course. I'm sure Russian media is very careful as to
not let journalists show what they want.

>
>>
>>You are basically saying that I should not believe any of
>>them because the images could all be faked or taken from other areas
>>and times.
>>
>
>Countless have already been proven as false. Networks have been sued, you
>just haven't heard about them. You relax in your faith and naivety.

What about those images and reports that have not been proven false?
Take the story about the dead girl from Bucha, the one whose mutilated
body was found in a mass grave. Should I dismiss that as a lie simply
because an obscure Israeli channel 13 (mistakenly?) used an obviously
fake, a German hoax from 2014?

>
>>
>>>And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by such
>>>bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know all
>>>of
>>>this?
>>
>>No, because it is not true. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of
>>independent (sic) reporters, who show the images and tell the stories
>>they want, and there's is no 'Deep State' controlling their output.
>>
>
>Oh boy. "It's not true, it's not true". Get your fingers out of your ears
>for pete's sake. Get a clue. You're in denial.

You're making the same claim in every situation. 'Deep State is
controlling everything' and you're using that as an excuse to evade
any and all questions.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>showing live videos of bombs falling, interviews with victims and
>>>>other kinds of 'on the ground reporting', it takes a leap of faith,
>>>>that only a person like you can take, to say it is all lies and poor
>>>>Putin is the victim.
>>>>
>>>
>>>How would you know if something is live, and showing Russian bombs falling
>>>and not Ukrainian bombs?
>>
>>It could also be aliens, right? Ask yourself if the Ukrainians would
>>do that to their own people? Would you participate in bombing
>>Melbourne to the ground and blame China just to make Xi Jinping look
>>bad?
>>
>
>You're right, Ukrainians would NOT do that to THEIR own people. But it's not
>Ukrainians who are carrying out those atrocities, it's factions of cabals
>that have been occupying that area for quite a while. The MSM doesn't
>mention them. I wonder why.

Because they're not really doing it? Why do you choose to believe the
Russian propaganda about nazis running rampant in Ukraine? Because
there is an image of a Ukrainian dude with s Swastika tattoo to be
found?

>
>>
>>>And then there are crisis actors that have magically reappeared in many of
>>>the interviews (see the first video I linked).
>>
>>The Mockingbird video? Give me the time stamps and I'll look.
>>
>
>https://youtu.be/uJBLxNIVCo0?t=2078

I'm not going to watch 49 minutes of video from a channel with 64 subs
and has the words "Aliens" and "truths" in it's name. Tell me what I
should look at and when.

>
>>
>>>No I don't use faith. I search for the truth whatever form it comes in.
>>>...
>>
>>Except when it comes from an established news organization that tells
>>a story you don't agree with. Then you're sure it's a lie.
>>
>
>Stop being stupid. It's not as simple as that. I don't just reject
>established sources due to bias or prejudice like you. I take in and
>consider many sources over time.

"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
mainstream media says."

QED

>
>>
>>> ... You
>>>only judge books by their covers it seems.
>>>You put as much faith in the media as religious people put in their gods.
>>>I
>>>don't see that as maturity.
>>
>>Do I trust a Reuters journalist, who spent three weeks on the ground
>>in Ukraine, more than a guy who's whole identity is build around him
>>calling that journalist a liar? Hell yes.
>>
>
>You know it's not as simple as one journalist being a liar. He has to
>forward the reports and images on to the networks and it's they who do with
>it as they choose.

"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
mainstream media says."

>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... Unless
>>>>>someone goes there and interviews some people and militaries there we
>>>>>cannot
>>>>>know for sure.
>>>>
>>>>What? There are tons of people reporting directly from the war zone,
>>>>
>>>
>>>There are not tons of people.
>>
>>Yes, there is. Here are 12 of them:
>>https://www.indy100.com/news/journalists-reporting-from-ukraine
>>
>
>Yes of course there are many/tons who use their cameras to shoot videos and
>do interviews, but do you see all of that?? Do they all just broadcast
>their stuff directly onto the TV networks for public viewing?

Strawman detected. No, not all of it gets streamed live. Much of it is
probably never seen by more than a few people. But it exists, and you
can't refute it. Gruesome images of rotting bodies in the streets, and
your reaction is the same 'Deep State, Mockingbird, Putin is the good
guy!.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>talking to people, live streaming from the basements, cameras shaking
>>>>because of missiles exploding next door. You're saying that we can't
>>>>trust them and that is what I'm trying to get you to explain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>What you don't know is that the honest reporters and networks there are
>>>shunned and censored.
>>
>>Bullshit. Censored by whom? Be very specific, and don't forget to
>>present the evidence.
>>
>

>Lol, I don't know the cabal operator's individual names. ...

I didn't ask for names of individuals. I asked for evidence of "honest
reporters and networks" being shunned and censored.


> ... They work for

>various big corporations like Blackrock and alphabet agencies.
>And the only reason you demand evidence is because you've already made up
>your mind what to believe and so refuse to research any other side of the
>story.

I asked for evidence because your claims have no value without it.

>
>>
>>>We don't live in a free world. I bet you thought that we did.
>>
>>Some are more free than others. I have known that pretty much all my
>>life. You don't need to misrepresent my views all the time to make a
>>point. Well, maybe you do...
>>
>

>When we are free to travel without red tape and restrictions, ...

Are you sure you want Chinese business people to be able to come to
Australia and do whatever they want? Or poor South Americans to the US
without restrictions? Your boy Donald J. is not going to agree with
you on that one. But I guess you're talking about your personal
freedom, and not everybody else's.



> ... and can

>explore the planets in this solar system, I will agree that we have freedom,
>not before.

Who stops you from going to Mars? Don't tell me... Big Deep State has
hooked up with the Aliens!

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Some reporters have done that ...
>>>>
>>>>See! You do know that there are people reporting from the war zone.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Some truth does get out yes. ...
>>
>>Give us an example of a truth that got out (stick to the war on
>>Ukraine), and explain how you know it is the truth.
>>
>
>You want to waste more of my time.

Think of it as nails in the cross I have prepared for you.

>
>
>>
>>> ... The question you have to ask yourself is why
>>>you only see one side. The answer is sometimes you do but you reject it
>>>due
>>>to conditioning from the secret societies that run this planet.
>>>Now you're probably going to say that you don't believe secret societies
>>>exist or that they can't control much.
>>
>>[Yawn] All this simply to avoid explaining how the images I showed you
>>are "twisted". Remember? That's where we started and of course we end
>>up with Mockingbird and secret societies and aliens and all the rest.
>>
>
>One thing is clear. Your mind is narrow.

"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
mainstream media says."

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... and given very opposing accounts.
>>>>
>>>>Find me a credible reporter, who has been to Ukraine and tells a
>>>>different story from what my images tell.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Impossible since you can't judge what a credible reporter is.
>>
>>Give it a try. If I'm wrong in my critique you can always provide
>>counter evidence. If you want an echo chamber you came to the wrong
>>place.
>>>
>
>Find someone else to play games with.

And we're down to one nail!

>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why hasn't WWIII not already begun, if it is, as you claim, the goal
>>>>>>of the 'Deep State' to start one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A world war with conventional or nuclear weapons is no longer consented
>>>>>to
>>>>>by the majority population so it will likely not happen.
>>>>
>>>>So your bullshit about 'Deep State wants WWIII' was another red
>>>>herring. Got it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, they did indeed plan for that, ...
>>
>>Were the Aliens in on it too?
>>
>
>Find out for yourself.
>Have ETs been secretly meddling in world affairs since even before biblical
>times? You might be shocked. Can you handle it?

Oh, yes. Give it to me!

>
>>
>>> ... but who cares what the crooks planned.
>>
>>You seem to care. A lot.
>>
>
>I'm only informing people.

You are indeed, but not the way you think.

>
>>
>>>They're not getting their way any more. ...
>>
>>Thanks to you and the other brave keyboard warriors exposing the
>>secret societies and their evil plans to kill off billions and tax the
>>rest.
>>
>
>Not keyboard warriors. There are big players involved. But they don't parade
>themselves in the MSM. I know you wish they did.

I know. They operate on the '4 and 8 chans' on the internet, where
nobody is held accountable for their writings.

>
>>
>>> ... Things have changed on this world.
>>>Most humans have learned major lessons about authorities and trust, but
>>>not
>>>all humans it seems.
>>
>>Some babies never learn.
>>
>
>And some adults also never learn, no matter how much they go to university.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Have you or anyone you know had debilitating effects yet from the jabs
>>>>>>>(freedom passes) that you took?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry to disappoint you, but there have been no debilitating effects
>>>>>>whatsoever in my circles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You are lucky.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, Bill Gates can't even get that right.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Why do you give away so much power to authorities?
>>
>>How are the images "twisted"?
>>
>

>There are so many ways to twist and substitute images and spin narratives. ...

Yet, you couldn't show me one of them when it came to specific images.
> ...Why waste my time with puerile questions?

Because you said that Putin is not the bad guy. You're siding with a
fascist dictator and at the same time claim you're for freedom and the
individual's right to do their own thing. Your hypocrisy is provoking
my reaction.

>Show some intelligence, initiative, astuteness and open mindedness.

And the final nail went in. Now, hang there and twist in the wind.

--
Malte Runz

[Andrew W]

"Malte Runz" wrote in message

news:3r85dhl3qqgul1sfg...@4ax.com...

The joke's on you. The greatest red herrings are what the deep state puts
out to distract people like you in order to continue committing crimes, and
you foolishly call the red herrings facts and reality.

>>
>>
>>>> ... You've made it clear that you prefer to believe the
>>>>MSM.
>>>
>>>Really? I tend to believe sources that present evidence and have a
>>>track record that make them worthy of my trust.
>>>
>>
>>No, one can only hold ~beliefs~ in particular sources and evidences. Only
>>arrogance makes you think that your choices are the only valid and true
>>ones.
>
>Good thing I'm not that arrogant.
>>

Are you sure??

>>>
>>>> ... They are the experts in producing high quality red herrings for the
>>>>ignorant masses.
>>>
>>>Good thing I'm not ignorant.
>>>
>>
>>How would you know? That cannot be self assessed.
>>Only ignorant people say such things with such self certainty.
>>Yes you can be good in certain areas of information, but you can't expect
>>to
>>see everything from one perspective.
>
>Here is what you said back in April:
>"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>mainstream media says."
>
>That is your one and only perspective.
>

You are dead wrong. That is NOT my only perspective. What I said just
happens to be simple a fact in this world, one that you're oblivious to
because of YOUR narrow perspective.

>>
>>>>
>>>>You need to watch the following. (increase playback speed to save time)
>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBLxNIVCo0
>>>
>>>49 minutes of Operation Mockingbird. Are you kidding me?
>>>
>>
>>It has crucial information about the CIA and how they control CNN and
>>other
>>networks. Same with the other video.
>>I know you want to get the facts in five minutes but life doesn't work
>>that
>>way.
>>
>>>
>>>>Then watch
>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8
>>>
>>>More than an hour of video from a channel called "Aliens and hard
>>>truths of this world". How is all this relevant?
>>>
>>
>>Yes very relevant.
>
>I asked "how" is it relevant. Remember, I'm still trying to get you to
>explain how you determine that these images (to which the links have
>been snipped somehow) are "twisted".
>https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
>https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
>https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh
>

Do you really want me to explain things to you as if you are a child? That's
often what I have to do in this group.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>I don't need to watch any of that for you to answer some of my
>>>questions.
>>>
>>
>>Your questions show much naivety and lack of knowledge about how this
>>world
>>works.
>>Clearly you are not looking for answers, but to have fun mocking what you
>>falsely call conspiracy theorists.
>
>I'm trying to nail your brown ass to a cross, buddy.
>

Lol. And there's your problem. All you're doing is nailing your own ass to a
donkey poster.
Intelligent people reading this are laughing at you.

You can believe that explanation if you want.

Yeah whatever.

>
>Here's another story about Ukrainian POWs:
>https://theworld.org/stories/infamous-russian-rebel-admits-killing-ukrainian-pows-report
>
>
>>
>>Fact check on ‘Ukraine invasion’ photos
>>https://tinyurl.com/3en33n6r
>
>"But misleading information – such as wrongly attributed images and
>videos – aren’t necessarily part of some calculated plot by bad actors
>to manipulate an audience. Social media has cultivated an environment
>where users feverishly share and consume information without much
>thought. And when content grows distance from its original source or
>context and takes on a faux life, the end result is more people are
>exposed and may spread the inaccurate information."
>
>I agree, and your example does not debunk the millions of real
>pictures from Ukraine showing the horrors of Putin's war.
>

It's obvious what's happening around the world, and yet you still continue
to stick to the government and corporate narratives.
In the Netherlands the farmers are going head to head with their government
because it wants to put a large portion of them out of business.
In Sri Lanka the people have run their president out of town.
The same is happening in other countries.
Are you saying that all these thousands and millions of people are just
conspiracy theorists? Maybe you are the fool.

>
>
>>
>>Seven ways to spot fake photographs of the war in Ukraine
>>https://tinyurl.com/264ynkcv
>
>Great. Now, use that to show me how the images I linked to are
>"twisted".
>

Like I've said that would be pointless because your mind is already made up.
You are married to the authorities.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> ... You have to be
>>>>able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the world
>>>>but
>>>>you can't see the writing on the wall.
>>>>The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and
>>>>you
>>>>wouldn't know it. ...
>>>
>>>Ask yourself how likely that is. Why would they do that? To smear
>>>Putin? Don't be an idiot.
>>>
>>
>>You just discard and ridicule whatever doesn't fit your world view.
>
>""The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>mainstream media says.""
>

If the MSM is controlled by corrupt corporations and secret societies then
obviously yes.

>
>>If the deep state controls the mainstream media then they will definitely
>>want to smear anyone who stands in their way.
>
>Key word: "If".
>

You have a long way to go in learning how this world works.

>
>>Putin has been progressive in getting rid of western control and
>>exploitation. You don't even know Putin at all except what you've head
>>from
>>one side.
>
>Whereas you know that he's the good guy, trying to rid Ukraine of evil
>Nazis.
>

He's better than the deep state.

>
>"Kryuchok, leska i gruzilo." That's Russian in case you wondered.
>
>>>
>>>> ... In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
>>>>won't hear/tolerate them.
>>>
>>>And your "alternative sources" have evidence? Russian propaganda is
>>>extremely effective and manipulative, and if you followed your own
>>>advice 'follow the money', or in this case 'follow the vested
>>>interest' it becomes very obvious who benefits from sowing doubt about
>>>who does the bombing and the raping and the killing.
>>>
>>
>>You don't know what you're talking about. You're just a newsgroup armchair
>>critic.
>
>Never claimed to be anything else. I do, though, know enough about
>international politics and history to understand that men like Putin
>are dangerous and shouldn't be trusted.
>

Not if you get your info from self interest sources.

>
>>
>>No not basic stuff. ...
>
>Of course it is! When you have many sources 'independently of each
>other' reporting the same story it gives credence to their
>testimonies. Come on, even you must know that.
>

The only problem is the truly independent and honest reporters don't get
their reports published. It's like a club.

>
>
>> ... You fail to realise that it also can show that they all
>>get their info from a main source.
>
>God damned, you're slow. I am specifically talking about the people
>who DO NOT get their stories from the same source. I'm talking about
>people on the ground reporting on the stories from their own
>individual perspective.
>

Like I said, their material doesn't make it onto the MSM, otherwise the news
would be more than two hours long.

The MSM doesn't show outsider content.

>>
>>
>>Who Owns The News Media?
>>https://montereybayareanews.com/who-owns-the-news-media/
>
>Nothing there is news to me, and it does not invalidate the news
>coming out of Ukraine. Let me ask you, who runs the main news sources
>in Russia? Why do you trust them to tell you the truth about the war
>in Ukraine?
>

I don't look at the MSM from Russia.

>>
>>>
>>>You are basically saying that I should not believe any of
>>>them because the images could all be faked or taken from other areas
>>>and times.
>>>
>>
>>Countless have already been proven as false. Networks have been sued, you
>>just haven't heard about them. You relax in your faith and naivety.
>
>What about those images and reports that have not been proven false?
>Take the story about the dead girl from Bucha, the one whose mutilated
>body was found in a mass grave. Should I dismiss that as a lie simply
>because an obscure Israeli channel 13 (mistakenly?) used an obviously
>fake, a German hoax from 2014?
>>

No, you use many different pieces/sources of info to form a picture over
time of what's going on.
And then you look at the motives of the governments and corporations, plus
their histories.
Just a looking at a piece/source here and there and expecting them to prove
what's going on is not going to do it. It takes time. I think you're
addicted to convenience.

>>>
>>>>And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by such
>>>>bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know all
>>>>of
>>>>this?
>>>
>>>No, because it is not true. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of
>>>independent (sic) reporters, who show the images and tell the stories
>>>they want, and there's is no 'Deep State' controlling their output.
>>>
>>
>>Oh boy. "It's not true, it's not true". Get your fingers out of your ears
>>for pete's sake. Get a clue. You're in denial.
>
>You're making the same claim in every situation. 'Deep State is
>controlling everything' and you're using that as an excuse to evade
>any and all questions.
>

I can't believe you don't know how this world works and is controlled. The
signs are everywhere - throughout our history.

>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>showing live videos of bombs falling, interviews with victims and
>>>>>other kinds of 'on the ground reporting', it takes a leap of faith,
>>>>>that only a person like you can take, to say it is all lies and poor
>>>>>Putin is the victim.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How would you know if something is live, and showing Russian bombs
>>>>falling
>>>>and not Ukrainian bombs?
>>>
>>>It could also be aliens, right? Ask yourself if the Ukrainians would
>>>do that to their own people? Would you participate in bombing
>>>Melbourne to the ground and blame China just to make Xi Jinping look
>>>bad?
>>>
>>
>>You're right, Ukrainians would NOT do that to THEIR own people. But it's
>>not
>>Ukrainians who are carrying out those atrocities, it's factions of cabals
>>that have been occupying that area for quite a while. The MSM doesn't
>>mention them. I wonder why.
>
>Because they're not really doing it? Why do you choose to believe the
>Russian propaganda about nazis running rampant in Ukraine? Because
>there is an image of a Ukrainian dude with s Swastika tattoo to be
>found?
>>

Here's a question: How do you know what is and isn't propaganda?
Do you think the U.S doesn't use any?

>>>
>>>>And then there are crisis actors that have magically reappeared in many
>>>>of
>>>>the interviews (see the first video I linked).
>>>
>>>The Mockingbird video? Give me the time stamps and I'll look.
>>>
>>
>>https://youtu.be/uJBLxNIVCo0?t=2078
>
>I'm not going to watch 49 minutes of video from a channel with 64 subs
>and has the words "Aliens" and "truths" in it's name. Tell me what I
>should look at and when.
>

Judging a book by it's cover again. Real mature.
That channel is my channel and it has few subs because it hasn't been around
for long and I don't promote it.
That video is a re-narration of another video but it makes some strong
points.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>No I don't use faith. I search for the truth whatever form it comes in.
>>>>...
>>>
>>>Except when it comes from an established news organization that tells
>>>a story you don't agree with. Then you're sure it's a lie.
>>>
>>
>>Stop being stupid. It's not as simple as that. I don't just reject
>>established sources due to bias or prejudice like you. I take in and
>>consider many sources over time.
>
>"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>mainstream media says."
>
>QED
>>

The corruption of the MSM as a propaganda tool is already well known and
established by awake people.

Conclusion: You are dumb.

>>
>>>
>>>>We don't live in a free world. I bet you thought that we did.
>>>
>>>Some are more free than others. I have known that pretty much all my
>>>life. You don't need to misrepresent my views all the time to make a
>>>point. Well, maybe you do...
>>>
>>
>>When we are free to travel without red tape and restrictions, ...
>
>Are you sure you want Chinese business people to be able to come to
>Australia and do whatever they want? Or poor South Americans to the US
>without restrictions? Your boy Donald J. is not going to agree with
>you on that one. But I guess you're talking about your personal
>freedom, and not everybody else's.
>

If it wasn't for the deep state there wouldn't be any problem with Chinese
business people etc.

And people like you would be smarter.

Whenever I debate with you I feel like I'm debating with a 14 year old.

>>>>
>>>>Why do you give away so much power to authorities?
>>>
>>>How are the images "twisted"?
>>>
>>
>>There are so many ways to twist and substitute images and spin narratives.
>>...
>
>Yet, you couldn't show me one of them when it came to specific images.
>> ...Why waste my time with puerile questions?
>
>Because you said that Putin is not the bad guy. You're siding with a
>fascist dictator
>

Prove it. Oh you can't, except with unverifiable images from a long way
away.

>
>and at the same time claim you're for freedom and the
>individual's right to do their own thing. Your hypocrisy is provoking
>my reaction.
>

Oh please.

[Malte Runz]

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 22:41:24 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

The Red Herring in this case is your evasions when I ask you a
question you don't want to, or can't, answer.

>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ... You've made it clear that you prefer to believe the
>>>>>MSM.
>>>>
>>>>Really? I tend to believe sources that present evidence and have a
>>>>track record that make them worthy of my trust.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, one can only hold ~beliefs~ in particular sources and evidences. Only
>>>arrogance makes you think that your choices are the only valid and true
>>>ones.
>>
>>Good thing I'm not that arrogant.
>>>
>
>Are you sure??
>
>>>>
>>>>> ... They are the experts in producing high quality red herrings for the
>>>>>ignorant masses.
>>>>
>>>>Good thing I'm not ignorant.
>>>>
>>>
>>>How would you know? That cannot be self assessed.
>>>Only ignorant people say such things with such self certainty.
>>>Yes you can be good in certain areas of information, but you can't expect
>>>to
>>>see everything from one perspective.
>>
>>Here is what you said back in April:
>>"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>>mainstream media says."
>>
>>That is your one and only perspective.
>>
>

>You are dead wrong. ...

I'm not, as you will show just three lines down.


> ... That is NOT my only perspective. What I said just

>happens to be simple a fact in this world, one that you're oblivious to
>because of YOUR narrow perspective.

You say it's a simple fact that you always have to believe the
opposite of what MSM says. And you do it every time there is something

you don't agree with.


>
>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>You need to watch the following. (increase playback speed to save time)
>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJBLxNIVCo0
>>>>
>>>>49 minutes of Operation Mockingbird. Are you kidding me?
>>>>
>>>
>>>It has crucial information about the CIA and how they control CNN and
>>>other
>>>networks. Same with the other video.
>>>I know you want to get the facts in five minutes but life doesn't work
>>>that
>>>way.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Then watch
>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8
>>>>
>>>>More than an hour of video from a channel called "Aliens and hard
>>>>truths of this world". How is all this relevant?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes very relevant.
>>
>>I asked "how" is it relevant. Remember, I'm still trying to get you to
>>explain how you determine that these images (to which the links have
>>been snipped somehow) are "twisted".
>>https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
>>https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
>>https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh
>>
>

>Do you really want me to explain things to you as if you are a child? ...

If that makes it easier for you, yes. Explain to me, as if I were a
child, how these specific images are "twisted". I'm not letting you
off the hook. No more talk about MSM and Deep State. Stick to the
images I have linked to.

> ... That's

>often what I have to do in this group.

I wish you would do it as often as you say you do. Most of the time I
have to ask you 5-6 times before you either try to answer, or simply
run. Like it is the case with the "twisted" images. You still haven't
explained yourself.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't need to watch any of that for you to answer some of my
>>>>questions.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Your questions show much naivety and lack of knowledge about how this
>>>world
>>>works.
>>>Clearly you are not looking for answers, but to have fun mocking what you
>>>falsely call conspiracy theorists.
>>
>>I'm trying to nail your brown ass to a cross, buddy.
>>
>
>Lol. And there's your problem. All you're doing is nailing your own ass to a
>donkey poster.
>Intelligent people reading this are laughing at you.

There are people on the record saying they laugh with me... at you. I
guess it is a matter of perspective.

Were you fooled by the images? Neither was I or anyone else. It is an
obvious blunder of sorts.

>
>>
>>>Fake dead girl photo
>>>https://tinyurl.com/fspz3dy3
>>"Verification within Meta’s Third-Party Fact-Checking Program"
>>
>>(Fact-Checking? OMG!. You're being manipulated by Big Deep!!!!!!!)
>>
>>"Facebook users shared a screenshot from Nastia Savchyshyn’s post, a
>>girl allegedly appearing in the picture of the Bucha victims. In the
>>screenshot, the girl denies her death. "
>>
>>It was a fucking Facebook post. Haven't you learned anything? Here is
>>another story about a young woman from Bucha:
>>https://tinyurl.com/2p8cyyvu
>>
>>"Ukrainian woman raped, killed by Russian troops found in mass grave
>>in Bucha
>>The body of a 23-year-old Ukrainian woman has been discovered among
>>hundreds of corpses in a mass grave in Bucha after she was raped,
>>tortured and shot in the head, according to her grieving loved ones.
>>
>>Karina Yershova, who lost her nails in the apparent fight for her
>>life, was discovered dumped in a garden in the besieged Kyiv suburb,
>>the Telegraph reported Wednesday.
>>
>>“She was shot at point-blank range. Almost half of her head was
>>missing,” Andrii, the tragic woman’s stepfather, told the news outlet
>>..."
>>
>>Do you believe the story from New York Post? Is the image of the men
>>carrying body bags from another time and place and used to falsely
>>blame Putin?

[crickets]

>>
>>
>>>
>>>Debunking resurfaced images of Ukrainian soldiers 'caged like dogs'
>>>https://tinyurl.com/bp9xa322
>>
>>I can't see the photo and it doesn't say where and by whom the image
>>was posted. But when the caption says "users claim" I believe it to be
>>on social media somewhere. You'll never catch me using SM as a
>>reliable source.
>>
>
>Yeah whatever.

[pasta sliding down the wall]

>
>>
>>Here's another story about Ukrainian POWs:
>>https://theworld.org/stories/infamous-russian-rebel-admits-killing-ukrainian-pows-report
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Fact check on ‘Ukraine invasion’ photos
>>>https://tinyurl.com/3en33n6r
>>
>>"But misleading information – such as wrongly attributed images and
>>videos – aren’t necessarily part of some calculated plot by bad actors
>>to manipulate an audience. Social media has cultivated an environment
>>where users feverishly share and consume information without much
>>thought. And when content grows distance from its original source or
>>context and takes on a faux life, the end result is more people are
>>exposed and may spread the inaccurate information."
>>
>>I agree, and your example does not debunk the millions of real
>>pictures from Ukraine showing the horrors of Putin's war.
>>
>
>It's obvious what's happening around the world, and yet you still continue

>to stick to the government and corporate narratives. ...

Somewhere you agree with me, that some of the images we see from
Ukraine are real, so to speak. Those are the images I wanted you to
comment on, but you always regress to 'Big Deep Corporate MSM is
always lying to the gullible masses'.

>In the Netherlands the farmers are going head to head with their government
>because it wants to put a large portion of them out of business.
>In Sri Lanka the people have run their president out of town.
>The same is happening in other countries.
>Are you saying that all these thousands and millions of people are just
>conspiracy theorists? Maybe you are the fool.

I guess that's what's called a 'school of red herring'. We were
talking about specific images from Ukraine and now you are talking
about Dutch farmers and Sri Lankan protesters.

>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Seven ways to spot fake photographs of the war in Ukraine
>>>https://tinyurl.com/264ynkcv
>>
>>Great. Now, use that to show me how the images I linked to are
>>"twisted".
>>
>
>Like I've said that would be pointless because your mind is already made up.

Evasion noted. Listen, I already know that you can't do anything with
those images. They're real, they show what the Russians are doing to
the people of Ukraine, and you know it. Fuck you!

>You are married to the authorities.

From the guy who argues that Putin is the good guy. Yeah, that one
really stung me.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... You have to be
>>>>>able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the world
>>>>>but
>>>>>you can't see the writing on the wall.
>>>>>The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and
>>>>>you
>>>>>wouldn't know it. ...
>>>>
>>>>Ask yourself how likely that is. Why would they do that? To smear
>>>>Putin? Don't be an idiot.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You just discard and ridicule whatever doesn't fit your world view.
>>
>>""The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>>mainstream media says.""
>>
>
>If the MSM is controlled by corrupt corporations and secret societies then
>obviously yes.

I forgot. You have special knowledge about the secret societies.

>
>>
>>>If the deep state controls the mainstream media then they will definitely
>>>want to smear anyone who stands in their way.
>>
>>Key word: "If".
>>
>
>You have a long way to go in learning how this world works.

It was your word.

>
>>
>>>Putin has been progressive in getting rid of western control and
>>>exploitation. You don't even know Putin at all except what you've head
>>>from
>>>one side.
>>
>>Whereas you know that he's the good guy, trying to rid Ukraine of evil
>>Nazis.
>>
>
>He's better than the deep state.

He's a fascist dictator, and you support him.

>
>>
>>"Kryuchok, leska i gruzilo." That's Russian in case you wondered.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> ... In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
>>>>>won't hear/tolerate them.
>>>>
>>>>And your "alternative sources" have evidence? Russian propaganda is
>>>>extremely effective and manipulative, and if you followed your own
>>>>advice 'follow the money', or in this case 'follow the vested
>>>>interest' it becomes very obvious who benefits from sowing doubt about
>>>>who does the bombing and the raping and the killing.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You don't know what you're talking about. You're just a newsgroup armchair
>>>critic.
>>
>>Never claimed to be anything else. I do, though, know enough about
>>international politics and history to understand that men like Putin
>>are dangerous and shouldn't be trusted.
>>
>
>Not if you get your info from self interest sources.

What do your sources say about Putin?

>
>>
>>>
>>>No not basic stuff. ...
>>
>>Of course it is! When you have many sources 'independently of each
>>other' reporting the same story it gives credence to their
>>testimonies. Come on, even you must know that.
>>
>
>The only problem is the truly independent and honest reporters don't get
>their reports published. It's like a club.

How do you know that what does get published is not honest and true?
Oh, yes. "The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
mainstream media says." You have made sure nothing gets through your
defenses.

Have you heard the intercepted phone calls from Russian soldiers
calling their family, telling how they shot civilians in the streets
and how the comrades were raping the women?

When the war in Ukraine is over, when Putin is gone and the stories
begin to flow from the Russian side, I believe you'll be in for a
surprise.

>
>>
>>
>>> ... You fail to realise that it also can show that they all
>>>get their info from a main source.
>>
>>God damned, you're slow. I am specifically talking about the people
>>who DO NOT get their stories from the same source. I'm talking about
>>people on the ground reporting on the stories from their own
>>individual perspective.
>>
>
>Like I said, their material doesn't make it onto the MSM, otherwise the news
>would be more than two hours long.

That's why you have to go to alternative outlets. This is what I have
been saying from the start. What do you think about the stuff that MSM
don't report on?

[slamming my head against the wall]

Stop it. We're NOT talking about MSM. I'm trying to get you to say
something about the other sources, the independent ones. When they
report from Ukraine and document the horrors what is your reaction?

>
>>>
>>>
>>>Who Owns The News Media?
>>>https://montereybayareanews.com/who-owns-the-news-media/
>>
>>Nothing there is news to me, and it does not invalidate the news
>>coming out of Ukraine. Let me ask you, who runs the main news sources
>>in Russia? Why do you trust them to tell you the truth about the war
>>in Ukraine?
>>
>
>I don't look at the MSM from Russia.

What do you look at? What are your main sources of information on what
goes on in Ukraine right now?

>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are basically saying that I should not believe any of
>>>>them because the images could all be faked or taken from other areas
>>>>and times.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Countless have already been proven as false. Networks have been sued, you
>>>just haven't heard about them. You relax in your faith and naivety.
>>
>>What about those images and reports that have not been proven false?
>>Take the story about the dead girl from Bucha, the one whose mutilated
>>body was found in a mass grave. Should I dismiss that as a lie simply
>>because an obscure Israeli channel 13 (mistakenly?) used an obviously
>>fake, a German hoax from 2014?
>>>
>
>No, you use many different pieces/sources of info to form a picture over

>time of what's going on. ...

Name a few of the ones you use.

>And then you look at the motives of the governments and corporations, plus

>their histories. ...

Which is why I don't trust Putin saying he is simply stopping the
nazis from killing people in Ukraine.

>Just a looking at a piece/source here and there and expecting them to prove
>what's going on is not going to do it. It takes time. I think you're
>addicted to convenience.

Never mind me. How do you stay informed on the situation in Ukraine?

>
>>>>
>>>>>And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by such
>>>>>bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know all
>>>>>of
>>>>>this?
>>>>
>>>>No, because it is not true. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of
>>>>independent (sic) reporters, who show the images and tell the stories
>>>>they want, and there's is no 'Deep State' controlling their output.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh boy. "It's not true, it's not true". Get your fingers out of your ears
>>>for pete's sake. Get a clue. You're in denial.
>>
>>You're making the same claim in every situation. 'Deep State is
>>controlling everything' and you're using that as an excuse to evade
>>any and all questions.
>>
>
>I can't believe you don't know how this world works and is controlled. The
>signs are everywhere - throughout our history.

'Have you seen the pyramid on American dollar bills? Proves that the
Illuminati is in control!!!!'. I know your signs.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>showing live videos of bombs falling, interviews with victims and
>>>>>>other kinds of 'on the ground reporting', it takes a leap of faith,
>>>>>>that only a person like you can take, to say it is all lies and poor
>>>>>>Putin is the victim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How would you know if something is live, and showing Russian bombs
>>>>>falling
>>>>>and not Ukrainian bombs?
>>>>
>>>>It could also be aliens, right? Ask yourself if the Ukrainians would
>>>>do that to their own people? Would you participate in bombing
>>>>Melbourne to the ground and blame China just to make Xi Jinping look
>>>>bad?
>>>>
>>>
>>>You're right, Ukrainians would NOT do that to THEIR own people. But it's
>>>not
>>>Ukrainians who are carrying out those atrocities, it's factions of cabals
>>>that have been occupying that area for quite a while. The MSM doesn't
>>>mention them. I wonder why.
>>
>>Because they're not really doing it? Why do you choose to believe the
>>Russian propaganda about nazis running rampant in Ukraine? Because
>>there is an image of a Ukrainian dude with s Swastika tattoo to be
>>found?
>>>
>
>Here's a question: How do you know what is and isn't propaganda?

Like I've said before. When several sources on location, independently
of each other, give the same reports I have reason to believe they're
telling the truth.

>Do you think the U.S doesn't use any?

Of course the US uses propaganda. So does Russia.

>
>
>>>>
>>>>>And then there are crisis actors that have magically reappeared in many
>>>>>of
>>>>>the interviews (see the first video I linked).
>>>>
>>>>The Mockingbird video? Give me the time stamps and I'll look.
>>>>
>>>
>>>https://youtu.be/uJBLxNIVCo0?t=2078
>>
>>I'm not going to watch 49 minutes of video from a channel with 64 subs
>>and has the words "Aliens" and "truths" in it's name. Tell me what I
>>should look at and when.
>>
>
>Judging a book by it's cover again. Real mature.
>That channel is my channel and it has few subs because it hasn't been around
>for long and I don't promote it.
>That video is a re-narration of another video but it makes some strong
>points.

About aliens? Star Wars footage used back in 2014?

Do you want them to be able to travel to Australia without "red tape
and restrictions", yes or no?

>
>And people like you would be smarter.
>
>Whenever I debate with you I feel like I'm debating with a 14 year old.

I think you'd have a better chance convincing a 14 year old kid that
there are aliens running the show. I outgrew that a long time ago.

>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you give away so much power to authorities?
>>>>
>>>>How are the images "twisted"?
>>>>
>>>
>>>There are so many ways to twist and substitute images and spin narratives.
>>>...
>>
>>Yet, you couldn't show me one of them when it came to specific images.
>>> ...Why waste my time with puerile questions?
>>
>>Because you said that Putin is not the bad guy. You're siding with a
>>fascist dictator
>>
>
>Prove it.

You said it yourself: "Putin is not the bad guy"

Jesus fucking Christ, why do you think I'm here talking to you?

> ... Oh you can't, except with unverifiable images from a long way
>away.

'You can't believe anything anyone says ever.' Especially if they say
something I don't agree with, right.

There is no doubt whatsoever, that Putin, who has lamented the faith
of the Soviet Union, and who has been annexing parts of Ukraine for
the past decade, and who has been telling his people, that Ukraine
doesn't have the right to exist, and eventually launched a brutal
attack on the country, that he, Putin, is indeed 'the bad guy'. And
you are on his side.

>
>>
>>and at the same time claim you're for freedom and the
>>individual's right to do their own thing. Your hypocrisy is provoking
>>my reaction.
>>
>
>Oh please.

Should impoverished South Americans be "free to travel without red
tape and restrictions" like you want to be?

--
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[Andrew W]

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>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:13:05 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:55:13 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 14 Jul 2022 09:47:57 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 13 Jul 2022 22:29:12 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>Ah so ~you~ only adhere to reality and facts, and it's only others that
>>>>hold
>>>>beliefs. I see.
>>>
>>>No, you don't. Read the definition of 'Red Herring' again.
>>>
>>
>>The joke's on you. The greatest red herrings are what the deep state puts
>>out to distract people like you in order to continue committing crimes,
>>and
>>you foolishly call the red herrings facts and reality.
>
>The Red Herring in this case is your evasions when I ask you a
>question you don't want to, or can't, answer.
>>

Are you an inquisitor or investigator? Show me your credentials.

>>>
>>>Here is what you said back in April:
>>>"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>>>mainstream media says."
>>>
>>>That is your one and only perspective.
>>>
>>
>>You are dead wrong. ...
>
>I'm not, as you will show just three lines down.
>

You are an ignorant newsgroup wanker.

>
>> ... That is NOT my only perspective. What I said just
>>happens to be simple a fact in this world, one that you're oblivious to
>>because of YOUR narrow perspective.
>
>You say it's a simple fact that you always have to believe the
>opposite of what MSM says. And you do it every time there is something
>you don't agree with.
>

That is common knowledge among smart people. You must not be very smart.
The MSM is a propaganda tool. The U.S. is a fake democracy.

>>>>>
>>>>>>Then watch
>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8
>>>>>
>>>>>More than an hour of video from a channel called "Aliens and hard
>>>>>truths of this world". How is all this relevant?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes very relevant.
>>>
>>>I asked "how" is it relevant. Remember, I'm still trying to get you to
>>>explain how you determine that these images (to which the links have
>>>been snipped somehow) are "twisted".
>>>https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
>>>https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
>>>https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh
>>>
>>
>>Do you really want me to explain things to you as if you are a child? ...
>
>If that makes it easier for you, yes. Explain to me, as if I were a
>child, how these specific images are "twisted". I'm not letting you
>off the hook. No more talk about MSM and Deep State. Stick to the
>images I have linked to.
>

It would be a waste of time and you know it. Your mind is closed.

The thing you don't realise is my posts are not for people like you.
There are smart atheists in this world and you're not one of them.

>
>> ... That's
>>often what I have to do in this group.
>
>I wish you would do it as often as you say you do. Most of the time I
>have to ask you 5-6 times before you either try to answer, or simply
>run. Like it is the case with the "twisted" images. You still haven't
>explained yourself.
>

Why would I need to run from a troll who plays games?

If you still don't have any understanding about how images can not so be
much twisted but spun and the narrative presented one sided then you should
get your brain checked.

>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't need to watch any of that for you to answer some of my
>>>>>questions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your questions show much naivety and lack of knowledge about how this
>>>>world
>>>>works.
>>>>Clearly you are not looking for answers, but to have fun mocking what
>>>>you
>>>>falsely call conspiracy theorists.
>>>
>>>I'm trying to nail your brown ass to a cross, buddy.
>>>
>>
>>Lol. And there's your problem. All you're doing is nailing your own ass to
>>a
>>donkey poster.
>>Intelligent people reading this are laughing at you.
>
>There are people on the record saying they laugh with me... at you. I
>guess it is a matter of perspective.
>

Other atheist trolls? Yes.

>
>>In the Netherlands the farmers are going head to head with their
>>government
>>because it wants to put a large portion of them out of business.
>>In Sri Lanka the people have run their president out of town.
>>The same is happening in other countries.
>>Are you saying that all these thousands and millions of people are just
>>conspiracy theorists? Maybe you are the fool.
>
>I guess that's what's called a 'school of red herring'. We were
>talking about specific images from Ukraine and now you are talking
>about Dutch farmers and Sri Lankan protesters.
>

It's part of the big picture that show that most governments are corrupt and
fascistic. But I guess you have a single track mind and can't see the big
picture.

>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Seven ways to spot fake photographs of the war in Ukraine
>>>>https://tinyurl.com/264ynkcv
>>>
>>>Great. Now, use that to show me how the images I linked to are
>>>"twisted".
>>>
>>
>>Like I've said that would be pointless because your mind is already made
>>up.
>
>Evasion noted.
>

No it's true. It would be pointless. This is just a game to you.

>
>Listen, I already know that you can't do anything with
>those images. They're real, they show what the Russians are doing to
>the people of Ukraine, and you know it. Fuck you!
>

I'm not going to do your homework.

>
>>You are married to the authorities.
>
>From the guy who argues that Putin is the good guy. Yeah, that one
>really stung me.
>

Prove to me that Putin is more evil than the deep state. It's not possible
that he could be.

>>>>>
>>>>>> ... You have to be
>>>>>>able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the
>>>>>>world
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>you can't see the writing on the wall.
>>>>>>The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>wouldn't know it. ...
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask yourself how likely that is. Why would they do that? To smear
>>>>>Putin? Don't be an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You just discard and ridicule whatever doesn't fit your world view.
>>>
>>>""The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>>>mainstream media says.""
>>>
>>
>>If the MSM is controlled by corrupt corporations and secret societies then
>>obviously yes.
>
>I forgot. You have special knowledge about the secret societies.
>>

No, you just have no knowledge of secret societies.

>>>
>>>>If the deep state controls the mainstream media then they will
>>>>definitely
>>>>want to smear anyone who stands in their way.
>>>
>>>Key word: "If".
>>>
>>
>>You have a long way to go in learning how this world works.
>
>It was your word.
>

It was a figurative or suggestive question.
Get back to me after you have made it past the question of what the deep
state is and what it does.

>>
>>>
>>>>Putin has been progressive in getting rid of western control and
>>>>exploitation. You don't even know Putin at all except what you've head
>>>>from
>>>>one side.
>>>
>>>Whereas you know that he's the good guy, trying to rid Ukraine of evil
>>>Nazis.
>>>
>>
>>He's better than the deep state.
>
>He's a fascist dictator, and you support him.
>

Prove that Putin is a fascist dictator. Recent history doesn't show that.
You're only going by what the true enemies of humanity claim. It's a
distraction to foment war.

>>
>>>
>>>"Kryuchok, leska i gruzilo." That's Russian in case you wondered.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
>>>>>>won't hear/tolerate them.
>>>>>
>>>>>And your "alternative sources" have evidence? Russian propaganda is
>>>>>extremely effective and manipulative, and if you followed your own
>>>>>advice 'follow the money', or in this case 'follow the vested
>>>>>interest' it becomes very obvious who benefits from sowing doubt about
>>>>>who does the bombing and the raping and the killing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You don't know what you're talking about. You're just a newsgroup
>>>>armchair
>>>>critic.
>>>
>>>Never claimed to be anything else. I do, though, know enough about
>>>international politics and history to understand that men like Putin
>>>are dangerous and shouldn't be trusted.
>>>
>>
>>Not if you get your info from self interest sources.
>
>What do your sources say about Putin?
>

That he's trying to stop proliferation of nuclear weapons into his country,
among other criminal activities that are headquartered in the Ukraine.
You probably haven't even heard of the biological weapons facilities in the
Ukraine.

>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>No not basic stuff. ...
>>>
>>>Of course it is! When you have many sources 'independently of each
>>>other' reporting the same story it gives credence to their
>>>testimonies. Come on, even you must know that.
>>>
>>
>>The only problem is the truly independent and honest reporters don't get
>>their reports published. It's like a club.
>
>How do you know that what does get published is not honest and true?
>Oh, yes. "The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>mainstream media says." You have made sure nothing gets through your
>defenses.
>
>Have you heard the intercepted phone calls from Russian soldiers
>calling their family, telling how they shot civilians in the streets
>and how the comrades were raping the women?
>

No but those recordings sound highly dubious. I don't go for emotional
triggers like that.

>
>When the war in Ukraine is over, when Putin is gone and the stories
>begin to flow from the Russian side, I believe you'll be in for a
>surprise.
>
>>
>>>

>>>Yes. Reuters is one of the big ones. But I've made an effort to
>>>explain to you, that there are many reporters who DO NOT use Reuters'
>>>product in their reporting. I have been trying to get you to respond
>>>to their stories.
>>>
>>
>>The MSM doesn't show outsider content.
>
>[slamming my head against the wall]
>
>Stop it. We're NOT talking about MSM. I'm trying to get you to say
>something about the other sources, the independent ones. When they
>report from Ukraine and document the horrors what is your reaction?
>

I don't have much of a reaction. I wait and see what other info becomes
available.

>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who Owns The News Media?
>>>>https://montereybayareanews.com/who-owns-the-news-media/
>>>
>>>Nothing there is news to me, and it does not invalidate the news
>>>coming out of Ukraine. Let me ask you, who runs the main news sources
>>>in Russia? Why do you trust them to tell you the truth about the war
>>>in Ukraine?
>>>
>>
>>I don't look at the MSM from Russia.
>
>What do you look at? What are your main sources of information on what
>goes on in Ukraine right now?
>>

I don't think it's worth telling you.
I have too many.

>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You are basically saying that I should not believe any of
>>>>>them because the images could all be faked or taken from other areas
>>>>>and times.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Countless have already been proven as false. Networks have been sued,
>>>>you
>>>>just haven't heard about them. You relax in your faith and naivety.
>>>
>>>What about those images and reports that have not been proven false?
>>>Take the story about the dead girl from Bucha, the one whose mutilated
>>>body was found in a mass grave. Should I dismiss that as a lie simply
>>>because an obscure Israeli channel 13 (mistakenly?) used an obviously
>>>fake, a German hoax from 2014?
>>>>
>>
>>No, you use many different pieces/sources of info to form a picture over
>>time of what's going on. ...
>
>Name a few of the ones you use.
>

No. We played that game before.

>
>>And then you look at the motives of the governments and corporations, plus
>>their histories. ...
>
>Which is why I don't trust Putin saying he is simply stopping the
>nazis from killing people in Ukraine.
>

Do you know Putin's true motives? How?

>
>>Just a looking at a piece/source here and there and expecting them to
>>prove
>>what's going on is not going to do it. It takes time. I think you're
>>addicted to convenience.
>
>Never mind me. How do you stay informed on the situation in Ukraine?
>

You will never comprehend.

>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by
>>>>>>such
>>>>>>bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>this?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, because it is not true. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of
>>>>>independent (sic) reporters, who show the images and tell the stories
>>>>>they want, and there's is no 'Deep State' controlling their output.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh boy. "It's not true, it's not true". Get your fingers out of your
>>>>ears
>>>>for pete's sake. Get a clue. You're in denial.
>>>
>>>You're making the same claim in every situation. 'Deep State is
>>>controlling everything' and you're using that as an excuse to evade
>>>any and all questions.
>>>
>>
>>I can't believe you don't know how this world works and is controlled. The
>>signs are everywhere - throughout our history.
>
>'Have you seen the pyramid on American dollar bills? Proves that the
>Illuminati is in control!!!!'. I know your signs.
>

That's one sign of many.

>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You're right, Ukrainians would NOT do that to THEIR own people. But it's
>>>>not
>>>>Ukrainians who are carrying out those atrocities, it's factions of
>>>>cabals
>>>>that have been occupying that area for quite a while. The MSM doesn't
>>>>mention them. I wonder why.
>>>
>>>Because they're not really doing it? Why do you choose to believe the
>>>Russian propaganda about nazis running rampant in Ukraine? Because
>>>there is an image of a Ukrainian dude with s Swastika tattoo to be
>>>found?
>>>>
>>
>>Here's a question: How do you know what is and isn't propaganda?
>
>Like I've said before. When several sources on location, independently
>of each other, give the same reports I have reason to believe they're
>telling the truth.
>

They belong to a kind of club.

>
>>Do you think the U.S doesn't use any?
>
>Of course the US uses propaganda. So does Russia.
>
>>
>>>>>

>>>>>>We don't live in a free world. I bet you thought that we did.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some are more free than others. I have known that pretty much all my
>>>>>life. You don't need to misrepresent my views all the time to make a
>>>>>point. Well, maybe you do...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When we are free to travel without red tape and restrictions, ...
>>>
>>>Are you sure you want Chinese business people to be able to come to
>>>Australia and do whatever they want? Or poor South Americans to the US
>>>without restrictions? Your boy Donald J. is not going to agree with
>>>you on that one. But I guess you're talking about your personal
>>>freedom, and not everybody else's.
>>>
>>
>>If it wasn't for the deep state there wouldn't be any problem with Chinese
>>business people etc.
>
>Do you want them to be able to travel to Australia without "red tape
>and restrictions", yes or no?
>

If they are good people then yes.

>>
>>And people like you would be smarter.
>>
>>Whenever I debate with you I feel like I'm debating with a 14 year old.
>
>I think you'd have a better chance convincing a 14 year old kid that
>there are aliens running the show. I outgrew that a long time ago.
>
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you give away so much power to authorities?
>>>>>
>>>>>How are the images "twisted"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>There are so many ways to twist and substitute images and spin
>>>>narratives.
>>>>...
>>>
>>>Yet, you couldn't show me one of them when it came to specific images.
>>>> ...Why waste my time with puerile questions?
>>>
>>>Because you said that Putin is not the bad guy. You're siding with a
>>>fascist dictator
>>>
>>
>>Prove it.
>
>You said it yourself: "Putin is not the bad guy"
>

Not compared to the deep state.

>
>Jesus fucking Christ, why do you think I'm here talking to you?
>
>> ... Oh you can't, except with unverifiable images from a long way
>>away.
>
>'You can't believe anything anyone says ever.' Especially if they say
>something I don't agree with, right.
>
>There is no doubt whatsoever, that Putin, who has lamented the faith
>of the Soviet Union, and who has been annexing parts of Ukraine for
>the past decade, and who has been telling his people, that Ukraine
>doesn't have the right to exist, and eventually launched a brutal
>attack on the country, that he, Putin, is indeed 'the bad guy'. And
>you are on his side.
>

The true enemy is hidden, and you haven't discovered it yet.
The publically paraded enemies are always the dog and pony show to distract
the masses.
Remember Osama Bin Laden? He was trained by the American CIA.

>
>>
>>>
>>>and at the same time claim you're for freedom and the
>>>individual's right to do their own thing. Your hypocrisy is provoking
>>>my reaction.
>>>
>>
>>Oh please.
>
>Should impoverished South Americans be "free to travel without red
>tape and restrictions" like you want to be?
>

It depends.
Should Mexicans be allowed to flow into the U.S. en mass? Biden, the deep
state stooge has been doing just that.

[Malte Runz]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 18:16:22 +1000, "Andrew W" <sp...@defense.com>

I'm not surprised that you react the way you do. In echo chambers
there are no opposing voices.

>
>
>>>>
>>>>Here is what you said back in April:
>>>>"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>>>>mainstream media says."
>>>>
>>>>That is your one and only perspective.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are dead wrong. ...
>>
>>I'm not, as you will show just three lines down.
>>
>
>You are an ignorant newsgroup wanker.

I admit that I'm oblivious to aliens and remote viewing. I do know,
though, that you're supporting a fascist dictator.

>
>>
>>> ... That is NOT my only perspective. What I said just
>>>happens to be simple a fact in this world, one that you're oblivious to
>>>because of YOUR narrow perspective.
>>
>>You say it's a simple fact that you always have to believe the
>>opposite of what MSM says. And you do it every time there is something
>>you don't agree with.
>>
>
>That is common knowledge among smart people. You must not be very smart.
>The MSM is a propaganda tool. The U.S. is a fake democracy.

You hear that, guys? He's dissing the greatest country ever in the
whole Universe!

>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then watch
>>>>>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JRKGJS26l8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>More than an hour of video from a channel called "Aliens and hard
>>>>>>truths of this world". How is all this relevant?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes very relevant.
>>>>
>>>>I asked "how" is it relevant. Remember, I'm still trying to get you to
>>>>explain how you determine that these images (to which the links have
>>>>been snipped somehow) are "twisted".
>>>>https://tinyurl.com/yc4puv9a
>>>>https://tinyurl.com/2rsd66w5
>>>>https://tinyurl.com/mv3pzuxh
>>>>
>>>
>>>Do you really want me to explain things to you as if you are a child? ...
>>
>>If that makes it easier for you, yes. Explain to me, as if I were a
>>child, how these specific images are "twisted". I'm not letting you
>>off the hook. No more talk about MSM and Deep State. Stick to the
>>images I have linked to.
>>
>
>It would be a waste of time and you know it. Your mind is closed.

You're chickening out again. What is it now? Sixth time?

>
>The thing you don't realise is my posts are not for people like you.

Then ignore my responses. I ignore posts from people I have given up
on.

>There are smart atheists in this world and you're not one of them.

You're the guy, who is unable to explain how seven images from Ukraine
are "twisted". Try me, and if it turns out that you're right, that I
can't understand your razor sharp logic and to the point arguments,
then you get to call me stupid. But assuming that I won't get it, and
therefore not trying, does not make you look good.

>
>>
>>> ... That's
>>>often what I have to do in this group.
>>
>>I wish you would do it as often as you say you do. Most of the time I
>>have to ask you 5-6 times before you either try to answer, or simply
>>run. Like it is the case with the "twisted" images. You still haven't
>>explained yourself.
>>
>
>Why would I need to run from a troll who plays games?

Because you can't explain why those images are "twisted". It is
obvious to everyone by now.

>
>If you still don't have any understanding about how images can not so be

>much twisted ...

[beep beep]

The sound of a dumb (sic) truck backing.

> ... but spun and the narrative presented one sided then you should
>get your brain checked.

So they weren't "twisted" after all? Why didn't you just say so the
first time I asked you about it.

>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't need to watch any of that for you to answer some of my
>>>>>>questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your questions show much naivety and lack of knowledge about how this
>>>>>world
>>>>>works.
>>>>>Clearly you are not looking for answers, but to have fun mocking what
>>>>>you
>>>>>falsely call conspiracy theorists.
>>>>
>>>>I'm trying to nail your brown ass to a cross, buddy.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Lol. And there's your problem. All you're doing is nailing your own ass to
>>>a
>>>donkey poster.
>>>Intelligent people reading this are laughing at you.
>>
>>There are people on the record saying they laugh with me... at you. I
>>guess it is a matter of perspective.
>>
>
>Other atheist trolls? Yes.

Let's get one thing straight. You're the one posting material in a
newsgroup that is 'home to people, who in general are critical of bold
statements, who do like to see evidence, and who don't by into newage
woo. You're the troll here. Not I.

>
>>
>>>In the Netherlands the farmers are going head to head with their
>>>government
>>>because it wants to put a large portion of them out of business.
>>>In Sri Lanka the people have run their president out of town.
>>>The same is happening in other countries.
>>>Are you saying that all these thousands and millions of people are just
>>>conspiracy theorists? Maybe you are the fool.
>>
>>I guess that's what's called a 'school of red herring'. We were
>>talking about specific images from Ukraine and now you are talking
>>about Dutch farmers and Sri Lankan protesters.
>>
>
>It's part of the big picture that show that most governments are corrupt and
>fascistic. But I guess you have a single track mind and can't see the big
>picture.

Oh, I do see the bigger picture, but what I don't see is you being
able to back up your claims about the smaller pictures, like the ones
from Ukraine.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Seven ways to spot fake photographs of the war in Ukraine
>>>>>https://tinyurl.com/264ynkcv
>>>>
>>>>Great. Now, use that to show me how the images I linked to are
>>>>"twisted".
>>>>
>>>
>>>Like I've said that would be pointless because your mind is already made
>>>up.
>>
>>Evasion noted.
>>
>

>No it's true. It would be pointless. ...

The lamest excuse ever!

> ... This is just a game to you.

Sorry if I don't take you seriously. But ramblings about aliens and
remote viewing and Deep Staters wanting to kill billions get the
treatment they deserve.

>
>>
>>Listen, I already know that you can't do anything with
>>those images. They're real, they show what the Russians are doing to
>>the people of Ukraine, and you know it. Fuck you!
>>
>
>I'm not going to do your homework.

I've already done it, and you have no rebuttal. 'The images are
"twisted" and I don't want to explain how I reached that conclusion,
because you wouldn't understand!' Brave, brave Sir Andrew rides into
the sunset.

>
>
>>
>>>You are married to the authorities.
>>
>>From the guy who argues that Putin is the good guy. Yeah, that one
>>really stung me.
>>
>
>Prove to me that Putin is more evil than the deep state. It's not possible
>that he could be.

Is that reason for you to support his war against the Ukrainian
people? That he is not as bad as "the deep state"?

>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... You have to be
>>>>>>>able to see for yourself the signs of what's happening around the
>>>>>>>world
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>you can't see the writing on the wall.
>>>>>>>The images can easily be the result of what the Ukrainian army did and
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>wouldn't know it. ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ask yourself how likely that is. Why would they do that? To smear
>>>>>>Putin? Don't be an idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You just discard and ridicule whatever doesn't fit your world view.
>>>>
>>>>""The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>>>>mainstream media says.""
>>>>
>>>
>>>If the MSM is controlled by corrupt corporations and secret societies then
>>>obviously yes.
>>
>>I forgot. You have special knowledge about the secret societies.
>>>
>
>No, you just have no knowledge of secret societies.

I'm not as 'special' as you, I guess.

>
>>>>
>>>>>If the deep state controls the mainstream media then they will
>>>>>definitely
>>>>>want to smear anyone who stands in their way.
>>>>
>>>>Key word: "If".
>>>>
>>>
>>>You have a long way to go in learning how this world works.
>>
>>It was your word.
>>
>
>It was a figurative or suggestive question.
>Get back to me after you have made it past the question of what the deep
>state is and what it does.

"It would be pointless."

"I'm not going to do your homework."

"It would be a waste of time and you know it."

>
>>>
>>>>

>>>>>Putin has been progressive in getting rid of western control and
>>>>>exploitation. You don't even know Putin at all except what you've head
>>>>>from
>>>>>one side.
>>>>
>>>>Whereas you know that he's the good guy, trying to rid Ukraine of evil
>>>>Nazis.
>>>>
>>>
>>>He's better than the deep state.
>>
>>He's a fascist dictator, and you support him.
>>
>
>Prove that Putin is a fascist dictator. Recent history doesn't show that.

Are you kidding? For starters he runs a kleptocratic oligarchy, kills
political opponents, has crushed the free press, bellows out
propaganda on all cylinders, dreams of recreating a lost empire, has
changed the laws of the land to be able to remain in power
indefinitely, and has been waging a war against a neighboring country,
whose existence is 'illegal' in his eyes.

'Prove it! It's all just Big Deep MSM propaganda!!!'

Yeah, screw you.

>You're only going by what the true enemies of humanity claim. It's a
>distraction to foment war.

I thought you said Big Deep doesn't want a WWIII after all. That
they're afraid of warriors like you and your mates.

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kryuchok, leska i gruzilo." That's Russian in case you wondered.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... In fact the alternative sources say exactly that, but you
>>>>>>>won't hear/tolerate them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And your "alternative sources" have evidence? Russian propaganda is
>>>>>>extremely effective and manipulative, and if you followed your own
>>>>>>advice 'follow the money', or in this case 'follow the vested
>>>>>>interest' it becomes very obvious who benefits from sowing doubt about
>>>>>>who does the bombing and the raping and the killing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't know what you're talking about. You're just a newsgroup
>>>>>armchair
>>>>>critic.
>>>>
>>>>Never claimed to be anything else. I do, though, know enough about
>>>>international politics and history to understand that men like Putin
>>>>are dangerous and shouldn't be trusted.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Not if you get your info from self interest sources.
>>
>>What do your sources say about Putin?
>>
>
>That he's trying to stop proliferation of nuclear weapons into his country,
>among other criminal activities that are headquartered in the Ukraine.

"Other criminal activities", eh? I guess it is one of those things
that you will not try to explain because "It would be pointless."
"I'm not going to do your homework." "It would be a waste of time and
you know it."

>You probably haven't even heard of the biological weapons facilities in the
>Ukraine.

Tell me all about it!

"It would be pointless." "I'm not going to do your homework." "It

would be a waste of time and you know it."

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>>No not basic stuff. ...
>>>>
>>>>Of course it is! When you have many sources 'independently of each
>>>>other' reporting the same story it gives credence to their
>>>>testimonies. Come on, even you must know that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The only problem is the truly independent and honest reporters don't get
>>>their reports published. It's like a club.
>>
>>How do you know that what does get published is not honest and true?
>>Oh, yes. "The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
>>mainstream media says." You have made sure nothing gets through your
>>defenses.
>>
>>Have you heard the intercepted phone calls from Russian soldiers
>>calling their family, telling how they shot civilians in the streets
>>and how the comrades were raping the women?
>>
>

>No...

A great example of how you have insulated yourself from any and all
information that might contradict your beliefs.

> ... but those recordings sound highly dubious. ...

When in doubt:

"The general rule is always believe the opposite to what the
mainstream media says."

> ... I don't go for emotional
>triggers like that.

No, you're all about, cold hard facts. 'Aliens exist!' You just said
you hadn't heard the phone calls, but that doesn't stop you from
discarding them.

>>
>>When the war in Ukraine is over, when Putin is gone and the stories
>>begin to flow from the Russian side, I believe you'll be in for a
>>surprise.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes. Reuters is one of the big ones. But I've made an effort to
>>>>explain to you, that there are many reporters who DO NOT use Reuters'
>>>>product in their reporting. I have been trying to get you to respond
>>>>to their stories.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The MSM doesn't show outsider content.
>>
>>[slamming my head against the wall]
>>
>>Stop it. We're NOT talking about MSM. I'm trying to get you to say
>>something about the other sources, the independent ones. When they
>>report from Ukraine and document the horrors what is your reaction?
>>
>
>I don't have much of a reaction. I wait and see what other info becomes
>available.

AKA you're waiting for confirmation of what you already believe is the
Truth (R)

>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Who Owns The News Media?
>>>>>https://montereybayareanews.com/who-owns-the-news-media/
>>>>
>>>>Nothing there is news to me, and it does not invalidate the news
>>>>coming out of Ukraine. Let me ask you, who runs the main news sources
>>>>in Russia? Why do you trust them to tell you the truth about the war
>>>>in Ukraine?
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't look at the MSM from Russia.
>>
>>What do you look at? What are your main sources of information on what
>>goes on in Ukraine right now?
>>>
>
>I don't think it's worth telling you.
>I have too many.

'There are too many for me to name a few.' Oh, boy! Did you really use
that one? Dude, it has been a meme for ages.

>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are basically saying that I should not believe any of
>>>>>>them because the images could all be faked or taken from other areas
>>>>>>and times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Countless have already been proven as false. Networks have been sued,
>>>>>you
>>>>>just haven't heard about them. You relax in your faith and naivety.
>>>>
>>>>What about those images and reports that have not been proven false?
>>>>Take the story about the dead girl from Bucha, the one whose mutilated
>>>>body was found in a mass grave. Should I dismiss that as a lie simply
>>>>because an obscure Israeli channel 13 (mistakenly?) used an obviously
>>>>fake, a German hoax from 2014?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>No, you use many different pieces/sources of info to form a picture over
>>>time of what's going on. ...
>>
>>Name a few of the ones you use.
>>
>
>No. We played that game before.

Yes, you use that same excuse every time. You know I'm not going to be
gentle, and you're too thin skinned to have me, the ignorant wanker,
rip your stuff to shreds. Try this one
www.get_a_spine_motherfucker.net

>
>
>>
>>>And then you look at the motives of the governments and corporations, plus
>>>their histories. ...
>>
>>Which is why I don't trust Putin saying he is simply stopping the
>>nazis from killing people in Ukraine.
>>
>
>Do you know Putin's true motives? How?

I never said I know his "true motives", but I know what he has said in
public. 'The fall of the Soviet Union was a great tragedy', 'Ukraine
has no right to exist', 'the Nazis are killing Russians in Ukraine'. I
can find some videos of him saying so if you want me to.
That is what he said and his behavior shows that he wasn't kidding.

>
>>
>>>Just a looking at a piece/source here and there and expecting them to
>>>prove
>>>what's going on is not going to do it. It takes time. I think you're
>>>addicted to convenience.
>>
>>Never mind me. How do you stay informed on the situation in Ukraine?
>>
>
>You will never comprehend.

You don't have the balls to try me.

>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And they all have to follow a strict set of censorship rules set by
>>>>>>>such
>>>>>>>bodies and can only publish what they're allowed to. Didn't you know
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, because it is not true. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of
>>>>>>independent (sic) reporters, who show the images and tell the stories
>>>>>>they want, and there's is no 'Deep State' controlling their output.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh boy. "It's not true, it's not true". Get your fingers out of your
>>>>>ears
>>>>>for pete's sake. Get a clue. You're in denial.
>>>>
>>>>You're making the same claim in every situation. 'Deep State is
>>>>controlling everything' and you're using that as an excuse to evade
>>>>any and all questions.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I can't believe you don't know how this world works and is controlled. The
>>>signs are everywhere - throughout our history.
>>
>>'Have you seen the pyramid on American dollar bills? Proves that the
>>Illuminati is in control!!!!'. I know your signs.
>>
>
>That's one sign of many.

Wauh! I was being as sarcastic as I could possibly be. Goes to show
that some beliefs are beyond parody.

>
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You're right, Ukrainians would NOT do that to THEIR own people. But it's
>>>>>not
>>>>>Ukrainians who are carrying out those atrocities, it's factions of
>>>>>cabals
>>>>>that have been occupying that area for quite a while. The MSM doesn't
>>>>>mention them. I wonder why.
>>>>
>>>>Because they're not really doing it? Why do you choose to believe the
>>>>Russian propaganda about nazis running rampant in Ukraine? Because
>>>>there is an image of a Ukrainian dude with s Swastika tattoo to be
>>>>found?
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Here's a question: How do you know what is and isn't propaganda?
>>
>>Like I've said before. When several sources on location, independently
>>of each other, give the same reports I have reason to believe they're
>>telling the truth.
>>
>
>They belong to a kind of club.

Is that another one of those claims that you won't even try to back up
with evidence, because I'm too [insert ineffective sophomoric insult
du jour] to get it?

>
>>
>>>Do you think the U.S doesn't use any?
>>
>>Of course the US uses propaganda. So does Russia.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We don't live in a free world. I bet you thought that we did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some are more free than others. I have known that pretty much all my
>>>>>>life. You don't need to misrepresent my views all the time to make a
>>>>>>point. Well, maybe you do...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>When we are free to travel without red tape and restrictions, ...
>>>>
>>>>Are you sure you want Chinese business people to be able to come to
>>>>Australia and do whatever they want? Or poor South Americans to the US
>>>>without restrictions? Your boy Donald J. is not going to agree with
>>>>you on that one. But I guess you're talking about your personal
>>>>freedom, and not everybody else's.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If it wasn't for the deep state there wouldn't be any problem with Chinese
>>>business people etc.
>>
>>Do you want them to be able to travel to Australia without "red tape
>>and restrictions", yes or no?
>>
>
>If they are good people then yes.

And who decides who is "good people"?

>
>>>
>>>And people like you would be smarter.
>>>
>>>Whenever I debate with you I feel like I'm debating with a 14 year old.
>>
>>I think you'd have a better chance convincing a 14 year old kid that
>>there are aliens running the show. I outgrew that a long time ago.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why do you give away so much power to authorities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How are the images "twisted"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There are so many ways to twist and substitute images and spin
>>>>>narratives.
>>>>>...
>>>>
>>>>Yet, you couldn't show me one of them when it came to specific images.
>>>>> ...Why waste my time with puerile questions?
>>>>
>>>>Because you said that Putin is not the bad guy. You're siding with a
>>>>fascist dictator
>>>>
>>>
>>>Prove it.
>>
>>You said it yourself: "Putin is not the bad guy"
>>
>
>Not compared to the deep state.

Which makes it alright to support Putin?

>
>>
>>Jesus fucking Christ, why do you think I'm here talking to you?
>>
>>> ... Oh you can't, except with unverifiable images from a long way
>>>away.
>>
>>'You can't believe anything anyone says ever.' Especially if they say
>>something I don't agree with, right.
>>
>>There is no doubt whatsoever, that Putin, who has lamented the faith
>>of the Soviet Union, and who has been annexing parts of Ukraine for
>>the past decade, and who has been telling his people, that Ukraine
>>doesn't have the right to exist, and eventually launched a brutal
>>attack on the country, that he, Putin, is indeed 'the bad guy'. And
>>you are on his side.
>>
>
>The true enemy is hidden, and you haven't discovered it yet.

But you have. Unfortunately you can't reveal who it is, or how you
know. I just have to trust you, or spend two decades 'doing my own
research... esearch...esearch'.

>The publically paraded enemies are always the dog and pony show to distract
>the masses.
>Remember Osama Bin Laden? He was trained by the American CIA.

Really???? I had no idea... Don't tell me that the US supplied arms to
the Mujahideen when they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>and at the same time claim you're for freedom and the
>>>>individual's right to do their own thing. Your hypocrisy is provoking
>>>>my reaction.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh please.
>>
>>Should impoverished South Americans be "free to travel without red
>>tape and restrictions" like you want to be?
>>
>
>It depends.

On what? Who they say they'll vote for? Which god they believe in? How
dark skinned they are? Who would you let in?

>Should Mexicans be allowed to flow into the U.S. en mass? Biden, the deep
>state stooge has been doing just that.

I wouldn't be surprised it you were a believer in 'the great
replacement' theory. Are you?

--
Malte Runz

[nature bats last]

//

> >>Should impoverished South Americans be "free to travel without red
> >>tape and restrictions" like you want to be?

> >It depends.

> On what? Who they say they'll vote for? Which god they believe in? How
> dark skinned they are? Who would you let in?

> >Should Mexicans be allowed to flow into the U.S. en mass? Biden, the deep
> >state stooge has been doing just that.

> I wouldn't be surprised it you were a believer in 'the great
> replacement' theory. Are you?

Dude, dude -- Malte, THOSE AREN'T MEXICANS.

They'e space aliens genetically re-engineered to appear to be Hispanic.

In Area 52

(the so-called "Area 51" is just a dummy designed to mislead truth seekers
like Andrew W)

"Some days I'm surprised I have to explain these things".
-- Joe Bob Brigs


Sri

>
> --
> Malte Runz

[Malte Runz]

On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:07:45 -0700 (PDT), nature bats last
<seqk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 3:55:51 AM UTC-7, Malte Runz wrote:

(giga snip)

>
>> >>Should impoverished South Americans be "free to travel without red
>> >>tape and restrictions" like you want to be?
>
>> >It depends.
>
>> On what? Who they say they'll vote for? Which god they believe in? How
>> dark skinned they are? Who would you let in?
>
>> >Should Mexicans be allowed to flow into the U.S. en mass? Biden, the deep
>> >state stooge has been doing just that.
>
>> I wouldn't be surprised it you were a believer in 'the great
>> replacement' theory. Are you?
>
>Dude, dude -- Malte, THOSE AREN'T MEXICANS.
>
>They'e space aliens genetically re-engineered to appear to be Hispanic.

I knew it! Illegal space aliens. Build the dome! Build the dome!

>
>In Area 52
>
>(the so-called "Area 51" is just a dummy designed to mislead truth seekers
>like Andrew W)
>

Do you realize that 51 is one of only three numbers that can be
decomposed into two prime factors that add up to 20. No, for real. I
couldn't believe it myself. Everything makes so much sense now. Deep
State is hiding Area 19 and 91!

>"Some days I'm surprised I have to explain these things".
>-- Joe Bob Brigs

--
Malte Runz

[nature bats last]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 1:03:05 PM UTC-7, Malte Runz wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:07:45 -0700 (PDT), nature bats last
> <seqk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 3:55:51 AM UTC-7, Malte Runz wrote:
> (giga snip)
> >
> >> >>Should impoverished South Americans be "free to travel without red
> >> >>tape and restrictions" like you want to be?
> >
> >> >It depends.
> >
> >> On what? Who they say they'll vote for? Which god they believe in? How
> >> dark skinned they are? Who would you let in?
> >
> >> >Should Mexicans be allowed to flow into the U.S. en mass? Biden, the deep
> >> >state stooge has been doing just that.
> >
> >> I wouldn't be surprised it you were a believer in 'the great
> >> replacement' theory. Are you?
> >

//

> >Dude, dude -- Malte, THOSE AREN'T MEXICANS.
> >
> >They'e space aliens genetically re-engineered to appear to be Hispanic.
> I knew it! Illegal space aliens. Build the dome! Build the dome!
> >
> >In Area 52
> >
> >(the so-called "Area 51" is just a dummy designed to mislead truth seekers
> >like Andrew W)
> >
> Do you realize that 51 is one of only three numbers that can be
> decomposed into two prime factors that add up to 20. No, for real. I
> couldn't believe it myself. Everything makes so much sense now. Deep
> State is hiding Area 19 and 91!

LOL!!!

And the number 20 itself is rife with all kind of esoteric sacred shit.

I know that's true because it says so on the net.

"The meaning of angel number 20 is a positive sign of success and balance. It was a divine number derived from multiplying two ten’s which represented the spiritual world with divine powers and the material world being balanced, even if this just means accepting God’s love".

The power of two tens combined together to create a stronger, lasting foundation for abundance to take hold in your life especially if you are in desperate need of spiritual energy. Number twenty symbolizes long-term benefits (which include some period of waiting) as opposed to quick fixes".


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