Disproving Creation: The Death of a Living Fossil

[Budikka666]

The fossil record in the limestone where archaeopteryx fossils have
also been found also records the last steps of a Horseshoe crab
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19514333

The creationists love to reveal how profoundly stupid they are when it
comes to the fossil record by asking why it doesn't record every
evolutionary step of every living thing that ever evolved. Even
simple common sense answers that question, which proves how little of
common sense is owned by the creationists.

Here's an example:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/09/03/dinosaur-complete-tails/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NotRocketScience+%28Not+Exactly+Rocket+Science%29

Literally thousands of dino fossils, but only two dozen complete
tails. Undeniable proof that the fossil record does not record
everything, nor is there any reason whatsoever why it should. Only a
creaitonist would be stupid enough to try to claim that it should.

The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There is no
plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is, much in
the same way as a creator god just isn't.

Budikka

[Andrew]

"Budikka666" wrote in message news:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,

Actually it does have a purpose.

It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.

Except this time it will not be by water.

[thomas p.]

"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:7rmdnbD_3J2F1dHN...@earthlink.com...

> "Budikka666" wrote in message
> news:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> deluge that destroyed the ancient word,

Now that is funny. Did you keep a straight face when you typed the above?

and also as a warning
> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> Except this time it will not be by water.
>

And all those meanies who laughed at you will be sorry, right?

--
thomas p

Ignorance is the mother of devotion.

David Hume

[Devils Advocaat]

On Sep 9, 8:41 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

So all those distinct sedimentary layers that have been demonstrated
to contain evidence of vastly different environments and atmospheric
conditions, in places separated by igneous rock layers, and laid down
over an incredibly long period, according to your "belief" were all
laid down, settled, dried out etc., in under twelve months?

[John Locke]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 00:42:45 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

..oh gee whiz, I can't wait. What's the old fart got in mind this
time..rabid cock roaches ??

[Wombat]

Plus those igneous rock layers that were extruded above water,
difficult in the context of a global flud.
Perhaps Andrew should look at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
by Glenn Morton, shewing there is no layer that can be considered a
"flood" deposit. Will he? I doubt it.

[Wombat]

On Sep 9, 9:41 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose.  There
> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to.  It just is,
>
> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ In North Dakota the entire
geologic column is present. Will you read the entry and tell us which
layers were the work of your flood?

[Devils Advocaat]

On 9 Sep, 14:08, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 11:11 am, Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sep 9, 8:41 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
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> > > "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> > > > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose.  There
> > > > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to.  It just is,
>
> > > Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> > > It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> > > deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> > > of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> > > Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> > So all those distinct sedimentary layers that have been demonstrated
> > to contain evidence of vastly different environments and atmospheric
> > conditions, in places separated by igneous rock layers, and laid down
> > over an incredibly long period, according to your "belief" were all
> > laid down, settled, dried out etc., in under twelve months?
>
> Plus those igneous rock layers that were extruded above water,
> difficult in the context of a global flud.

I didn't know Elmer was that big, I thought he was a wittle cweep wit
a big head who was always hunting wabbits.

> Perhaps Andrew should look athttp://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 00:42:45 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

>It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
>Except this time it will not be by water.
>

What's he going to do, 'wait' us to death?

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[raven1]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 00:42:45 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

>"Budikka666" wrote in message news:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
>Actually it does have a purpose.
>
>It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>deluge

No, actually it rules it out. The fossil record would look *much*
different than it does if there was a global flood as described in
Genesis.

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 9, 3:41 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

Explain this with your flood:

http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-in-bolivia

[Don Martin]

Apparently, that has worked just fine for the past several thousand
years.

--

aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
BAAWA Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief Heckler
Fidei defensor (Hon. Antipodean)
The Squeeky Wheel: http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/

[Andrew]

"Father Haskell" wrote in message news:35a85c11-ad0e-4215...@c4g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>
>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>>
>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>>
>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> Explain this with your flood:
>
> http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-in-bolivia

They depict not a dance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.

[Ken]

On Sep 9, 10:12 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" wrote in messagenews:35a85c11-ad0e-4215...@c4g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> >> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
> >> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> >> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> >> Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> > Explain this with your flood:
>

> >http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-i...

>
> They depict not a dance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.

While you do the panicked dance of someone trying to reference an
imaginary "deluge" that never happened

[Andrew]

"raven1" wrote in message news:ecep48d1blr39gl9d...@4ax.com...
>"Andrew" wrote:

>>"Budikka666" wrote:
>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>
>>Actually it does have a purpose.
>>
>>It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>>deluge
>
> No, actually it rules it out. The fossil record would look *much*
> different than it does if there was a global flood as described in
> Genesis.

Your statement must by true, otherwise your whole worldview
would be skewed. Except that you cannot explain how it is true.

[Caranx latus]

Dinosaurs running up a 70-degree mud wall, a mud wall that didn't slump
and wasn't disturbed in the slightest after being entirely covered with
water. Is that really the story that you want to stick with?

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 9, 1:12 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" wrote in messagenews:35a85c11-ad0e-4215...@c4g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> >> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
> >> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> >> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> >> Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> > Explain this with your flood:
>

> >http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-i...

>
> They depict not a dance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.

Damn, you just outdid my wildest expectations.

[MarkA]

99% of species that ever lived are now extinct. Doesn't sound like Noah
did a very good job.

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

[Caranx latus]

Stratigraphic sequences the world over clearly show that no global flood
occurred. For example, there is a beautiful sequence in that most
hallowed of creationist "proofs" of the Flud (TM), the Grand Canyon. It
shows marine deposition by *decreasing* depth of salt water, followed by
estuarine deposition, followed by fresh water deposition, followed by
aeolian (wind) deposition, followed by salt water deposition again.

Unless I'm much mistaken, that wouldn't be a sequence that would be
expected under the Flud (TM) model. I've never seen a creationist
attempt to explain it. Rather, they ignore it and pretend that the
entire sequence was laid down more or less at the same time. I've never
even seen a good creationist explanation for why stratigraphic layers
exist at all.

[Budikka666]

On Sep 9, 2:41 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose.  There
> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to.  It just is,
>
> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> deluge that destroyed the ancient word

Why don't you and I formally debate the scientific evidence for the
Noahic flood?

Please present your five best scientific evidences (supported with
references ot the primary science paper in which it was published) for
a global flood as the Bible depicts in Genesis.

Yoru failure to do so will be yet *another* denial of Christ and will
also be your open and unconditional admission that you are a liar when
you claimt here was such a flood.

Budikka

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 9, 1:23 pm, Caranx latus <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew wrote:

> > "Father Haskell" wrote in messagenews:35a85c11-ad0e-4215...@c4g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

> >> "Andrew" wrote:
> >>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> >>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
> >>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> >>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> >>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> >> Explain this with your flood:
>

> >>http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-i...

>
> > They depict not a dance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.
>
> Dinosaurs running up a 70-degree mud wall, a mud wall that didn't slump
> and wasn't disturbed in the slightest after being entirely covered with
> water. Is that really the story that you want to stick with?

Same water pressure that blasted out the Grand Canyon in
less than six weeks. Yes, that's the story he wants us to
believe.

[Andrew]

"Wombat" wrote in message news:ea8cfe9a-3082-46a2...@ib4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>
>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>>
>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ In North Dakota the entire
> geologic column is present. Will you read the entry and tell us which
> layers were the work of your flood?

The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column
may in fact have significant flaws that might be better explained by a relatively
sudden global catastrophe or closely spaced series of very large catastrophes.

At least it seems like the door is open to this possibility as well as to the idea
that the geologic column may not represent billions of years of earth's history,
but may in fact have been formed rapidly.
http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html

[Father Haskell]

Sounds like he fucked up by not leaving the humans behind.

[Andrew]

<kni...@baawa.com> wrote in message news:4qdp489u5pd6at3vv...@4ax.com...

> "Andrew" wrote:
>
>>It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>>deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>>of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>>
>>Except this time it will not be by water.
>>
>
> What's he going to do, 'wait' us to death?

It won't be long.

[Andrew]

"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f1544bfc-a18b-4dcf...@e29g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...

> Caranx latus wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:

>> > "Father Haskell" wrote:
>> >> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>> >>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> >>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>
>> >>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>>
>> >>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>> >>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>> >>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>>
>> >>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>>
>> >> Explain this with your flood:
>>
>> >>http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-i...
>>
>> > They depict not a dance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.
>>
>> Dinosaurs running up a 70-degree mud wall, a mud wall that didn't slump
>> and wasn't disturbed in the slightest after being entirely covered with
>> water. Is that really the story that you want to stick with?
>
> Same water pressure that blasted out the Grand Canyon in
> less than six weeks. Yes, that's the story he wants us to
> believe.

The evidence fits better the model of a lot of water in a little
bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.

[Andrew]

"MarkA" wrote in message news:pan.2012.09.09....@somewhere.invalid...
> Andrew wrote:

>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>
>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There is no
>>> plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>
>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>>
>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global deluge that
>> destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning of the coming judgment
>> soon to befall our sinful generation.
>>
>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> 99% of species that ever lived are now extinct. Doesn't sound like Noah
> did a very good job.

Result of genetic entropy. Noah is not to be blamed.

[raven1]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 10:22:01 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you, Andrew. Yes, I can, and
I'll simplify it so that you can understand it. Were there a global
flood, there would be a deposit layer containing a chaotic mix of all
sorts of randomly jumbled fossils, not a series of strata formed over
time, with fossils where we expect to find them according to their
age. That we observe the latter, never the former, is a conclusive
nail in the coffin of your model.

[Caranx latus]

I don't see it. Explain it to me.

[Devils Advocaat]

On 9 Sep, 18:46, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Wombat" wrote in messagenews:ea8cfe9a-3082-46a2...@ib4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> >> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
> >> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> >> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>

> >http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/In North Dakota the entire

> > geologic column is present.  Will you read the entry and tell us which
> > layers were the work of your flood?
>
> The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column
> may in fact have significant flaws that might be better explained by a relatively
> sudden global catastrophe or closely spaced series of very large catastrophes.

Let's see.

Bible describes a single catastrophic event, just one.

This clearly doesn't fit the objective evidence.

So Andrew decides to claim there were several catastrophes.

A tiny wooden ship is supposed to have survived all this intact?

Pull the other one Andrew, it's got bells on.

>
> At least it seems like the door is open to this possibility as well as to the idea
> that the geologic column may not represent billions of years of earth's history,
> but may in fact have been formed rapidly.
>              http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html

Poor Andrews, clutching at straws to defend the indefensible.

[Devils Advocaat]

On 9 Sep, 18:20, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "raven1" wrote in messagenews:ecep48d1blr39gl9d...@4ax.com...

Localised catastrophic flood.

Produces one layer of sediment.

All organic remains are jumbled up together.

No distinct layers.

No remains in distinct layers.

Got it?

[osugeography]

On Sep 9, 12:56 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hello, Andrew. Please show a few pieces of evidence showing the better
fit of the model you espouse.

Thanks,
Marvin

Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com

[Andrew]

"raven1" wrote in message news:q4mp481p83h0vf4ua...@4ax.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>>"raven1" wrote:
>>>"Andrew" wrote:
>>>>"Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>>>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>>>
>>>>Actually it does have a purpose.
>>>>
>>>>It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>>>>deluge
>>>
>>> No, actually it rules it out. The fossil record would look *much*
>>> different than it does if there was a global flood as described in
>>> Genesis.
>>
>>Your statement must by true, otherwise your whole worldview
>>would be skewed. Except that you cannot explain how it is true.
>
> Don't assume everyone is as ignorant as you, Andrew. Yes, I can, and
> I'll simplify it so that you can understand it. Were there a global
> flood, there would be a deposit layer containing a chaotic mix of all
> sorts of randomly jumbled fossils, not a series of strata formed over
> time, with fossils where we expect to find them according to their age.

This is how stratification occurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBv-4jrzmNw&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGB_uMRNU&feature=relmfu

[Andrew]

"osugeography" <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote in message news:41a29398-45eb-4cf3...@c4g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

http://www.detectingdesign.com/geologiccolumn.html

[raven1]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 11:32:08 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

<facepalm>

OK, that's a good explanation for your ignorance, but not for what we
observe in the fossil record.

[Caranx latus]

Andrew, focus. How does the creationist flood "model" explain a
not-far-off vertical mud wall on which dinosaurs scampered for their
dear lives but which remained unsullied by presumed turbidity?

If you understand the creationist flood model, you should have no
trouble answering such a question.

[Malte Runz]

"Andrew" skrev i meddelelsen
news:0Jqdnc9YKbKyRdHN...@earthlink.com...

You don't really have a model at all. All you have is the same ad hoc
explanation "it fits the flood model better' for every problem presented to
you. You never explain how it fits better, and you ignore all the
contradictions your answer creates. Like a Flood that carves canyons,
desposites trillions of tonnes of sediments, forces tectonic plates to move
rapidly, but leaves delicate foot prints in the mud.

Let's try the Great Barrier Reef. How does it fit into your
one-flood-fits-all model?




--
Malte Runz

[Hannele]

He's just that good. ;) Or did I mean ignorant?


--
Hannele, A.A #2211

There are at least as many gods as there are believers.

[harry k]

On Sep 9, 10:47 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> <kni...@baawa.com> wrote in messagenews:4qdp489u5pd6at3vv...@4ax.com...

So anohter prophesy that will never come true. Do you remember the
one "in your lifetime"? How did that one work out?

Harry K

[kni...@baawa.com]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 10:49:10 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

Okay. I'll just keep waiting.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <6uidnRj6RqGWS9HN...@earthlink.com>,

"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:

> "Wombat" wrote in message
> news:ea8cfe9a-3082-46a2...@ib4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > "Andrew" wrote:
> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
> >>
> >> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> >> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
> >>
> >> Actually it does have a purpose.
> >>
> >> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
> >
> > http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ In North Dakota the entire
> > geologic column is present. Will you read the entry and tell us which
> > layers were the work of your flood?
>
> The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column
> may in fact have significant flaws t

That "may" is meaningless without evidence to back it up.

--
JD

"the lybian lier"

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <p6edndJQCM_7RNHN...@earthlink.com>,

And Andrew has latched onto yet another silly hypothesis.

[SkyEyes]

On Sep 9, 2:14 am, John Locke <johnnydemon...@demonmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 00:42:45 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net>

> wrote:
>
> >"Budikka666" wrote in messagenews:927580b5-6872-4393...@j10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>

> >> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose.  There
> >> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to.  It just is,
>
> >Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> >It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> >Except this time it will not be by water.
>

> ..oh gee whiz, I can't wait. What's the old fart got in mind this
> time..rabid cock roaches ??

ICK!!!!!!!! John, don't even *joke* about cockroaches. Blech.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[MarkA]

"Genetic entropy"? Is that something they teach at the Discovery
Institute?

[osugeography]

On Sep 9, 1:36 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "osugeography" <osugeogra...@aol.com> wrote in messagenews:41a29398-45eb-4cf3...@c4g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

> > osugeogra...@aol.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Jason, please explain briefly a few points that support "The evidence

fits better the model of a lot of water in a little bit of time,
rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water".

The URL you supplied contains a great deal of clutter. I would not
refer you, undirected, to a book on sedimentology or stratigraphy to
support an argument of mine relating to what observation and reason
supports as to "the model" I feel correct. For ou, just a handful of
reasons why your model is correct, five, maybe. Three would be nice.
Since you reference the work, I assume you have familiarity with it,
and if you understand what was written, please give a brief support of
what you have written, in your own words or paraphrasing the author,
in a succinct fashion.

I try to play fair. Please give me the "fair" answer I expect to get
from you, direct and simple, and not too wordy.

Thanks!
Marvin

Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 10:48:23 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:

Repeating the lies of science-hating frauds like these folks will not
make their lies true. They are indefensibly wrong. You are wrong -- and
have no idea what you are talking about. If you understood the problem,
you would be laughing at Creationists and Flood-fools.

[Budikka666]

On Sep 9, "Andrew-a-Blank" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column may in fact have significant flaws

I see you flapping your lying mouth. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support for your claim.

> The evidence fits better the model of a lot of water in a little bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.

I see you flapping your lying mouth. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support for your claim.

> Result of genetic entropy. Noah is not to be blamed.

I see you flapping your lying mouth. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support for your claim.

> This is how stratification occurs.

I see a meaningless You Tube video. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support support for your claim.

Keep runnign you lying, vacuous coward.

Budikka

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 9, 1:55 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >news:f1544bfc-a18b-4dcf...@e29g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> > Caranx latus wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> > "Father Haskell" wrote:
> >> >> "Andrew" wrote:
> >> >>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >> >>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> >> >>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
> >> >>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> >> >>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >> >>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >> >>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> >> >>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> >> >> Explain this with your flood:
>
> >> >>http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-i...
>

> >> > They depict not adance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.

>
> >> Dinosaurs running up a 70-degree mud wall, a mud wall that didn't slump
> >> and wasn't disturbed in the slightest after being entirely covered with
> >> water. Is that really the story that you want to stick with?
>
> > Same water pressure that blasted out the Grand Canyon in
> > less than six weeks.  Yes, that's the story he wants us to
> > believe.
>
> The evidence fits better the model of a lot of water in a little
> bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.

So thousands of cubic miles of igneous and metamorphic
rock were blasted out by the force of your alleged gusher,
but the dinosaur prints were barely scoured?

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 9, 3:25 pm, Caranx latus <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew wrote:

> > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>news:f1544bfc-a18b-4dcf...@e29g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> >> Caranx latus wrote:
> >>> Andrew wrote:
> >>>> "Father Haskell" wrote:
> >>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
> >>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
> >>>>>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>
> >>>>>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>
> >>>>>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
> >>>>>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
> >>>>>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>
> >>>>>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>
> >>>>> Explain this with your flood:
>
> >>>>>http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-i...
>

> >>>> They depict not adance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.

>
> >>> Dinosaurs running up a 70-degree mud wall, a mud wall that didn't slump
> >>> and wasn't disturbed in the slightest after being entirely covered with
> >>> water. Is that really the story that you want to stick with?
>
> >> Same water pressure that blasted out the Grand Canyon in
> >> less than six weeks.  Yes, that's the story he wants us to
> >> believe.
>
> > The evidence fits better the model of a lot of water in a little
> > bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.
>
> Andrew, focus. How does the creationist flood "model" explain a
> not-far-off vertical mud wall on which dinosaurs scampered for their
> dear lives but which remained unsullied by presumed turbidity?

The footprints are awfully close together and too regularly spaced
to have been made by terror-stricken dinosaurs scampering
for their dear lives. They also seem to be headed in all directions,
not just upward from the rising waters of gawd's wrath.

[Andrew]

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:hlwdjsd-EAA3E3...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>> "Wombat" wrote:
>> > "Andrew" wrote:
>> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> >> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>> >>
>> >> Actually it does have a purpose.
>> >>
>> >> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>> >> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>> >> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>> >
>> > http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ In North Dakota the entire
>> > geologic column is present. Will you read the entry and tell us which
>> > layers were the work of your flood?
>>
>> The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column
>> may in fact have significant flaws t
>
> That "may" is meaningless without evidence to back it up.

This is true. Therefore *why* did you
delete the evidence that was presented?

http://www.p2l.it/12t

[Andrew]

"Budikka666" wrote in message news:a5d736b8-daea-4b2e...@f6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> "Andrew" wrote:

Folks, watch with your own eyes.............................................
Explanation with demonstration of how stratification occurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBv-4jrzmNw&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGB_uMRNU&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG6tfolc1i4&feature=relmfu

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <vfKdna7HBKnXxdDN...@earthlink.com>,

Because it's not evidence. It's a deceitful fraud.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Andrew]

"Father Haskell" wrote in message news:1bbb9bdd-c082-455c...@x3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

The flood was not in one day. There were rising and falling
waters due to tidal action. Eventually the earth was covered.
The prints are from imprints in semi-liquified sediment that
soon hardened.

[Andrew]

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:hlwdjsd-4A866A...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...
> "Andrew" wrote:

>> "Jeanne Douglas" wrote:
>> > "Andrew" wrote:
>> >> "Wombat" wrote:
>> >> > "Andrew" wrote:
>> >> >> "Budikka666" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> >> >> > is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actually it does have a purpose.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>> >> >> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>> >> >> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ In North Dakota the entire
>> >> > geologic column is present. Will you read the entry and tell us which
>> >> > layers were the work of your flood?
>> >>
>> >> The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column
>> >> may in fact have significant flaws t
>> >
>> > That "may" is meaningless without evidence to back it up.
>>
>> This is true. Therefore *why* did you
>> delete the evidence that was presented?
>>
>> http://www.p2l.it/12t
>
> Because it's not evidence. It's a deceitful fraud.

Can you explain precisely where please?

[Devils Advocaat]

On 10 Sep, 04:39, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" wrote in messagenews:1bbb9bdd-c082-455c...@x3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

Oh dear, poor Andrew.

Making claims about what supposedly happened.

Contradicting the Bible.

The Bible that's supposed to be the inerrant Word of God.

[SkyEyes]

Not fair confusing him with facts, Father.

[Virgil]

In article <2_adnYix1cNv_dDN...@earthlink.com>,

"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:

> > The footprints are awfully close together and too regularly spaced
> > to have been made by terror-stricken dinosaurs scampering
> > for their dear lives. They also seem to be headed in all directions,
> > not just upward from the rising waters of gawd's wrath.
>
> The flood was not in one day. There were rising and falling
> waters due to tidal action. Eventually the earth was covered.
> The prints are from imprints in semi-liquified sediment that
> soon hardened.

Since some of those footprints are reliably dated at millions of years
earlier or later than others, the objective physical evidence conflicts
with the demands of you Bible thumpers.

>
> >
> >> If you understand the creationist flood model, you should have no
> >> trouble answering such a question.

Since that flood model, however carefully skewed by creationists,
conflicts violently with ever so much objective physical evidence, I,
for one, prefer to accept only those conclusions compatible with that
objective physical evidence.
--

[Wombat]

On Sep 10, 5:39 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" wrote in messagenews:1bbb9bdd-c082-455c...@x3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

Was there no rain? You know, 40 days and 40 nights covering the high
mountains? I can't see prints lasting then.

[Father Haskell]

Confusing Andrew is like drenching a wet cat.

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 9, 11:39 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" wrote in messagenews:1bbb9bdd-c082-455c...@x3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

At which rate, the Grand Canyon should be no more than
a gully.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <Js2dneGa3qI4_NDN...@earthlink.com>,

This is highly entertaining.

"Now, lets take a look at continental drift or plate tectonics. 
According to today's popular scientists, the continents of today were
once connected in an original continent by the name of Pangea."

"...today's popular scientists"???? Seriously? That's a very bad sign.

And not too long after:

"Initially those who first proposed this idea of continental drift were
thought to be crazy. However, with discoveries of paleomagnetism and
other evidences, such as the rather obvious puzzle-piece match of
various continents, the theory quickly gained popularity. "

What is this obsession with popularity? What does popularity have to do
with whether or not a hypothesis is supported enough to be a theory?

OHMIGAWD, it gets ever more ridiculous:

"Fad or not, the popularity of plate tectonic theory is undeniable and
this popularity is felt by some to be limiting the exploration of any
other possible theories as belief in plate tectonics is so strong that
it is difficult to get any other hypothesis published if it seems to
move against this paradigm."

These idiots do not have a clue how science is done. So how can anything
they say about science matters be true, much less make sense.


"The fact of the matter is that scientists are finding certain aspects
of the earth's crust that simply are not easily explained by the theory
of plate tectonics as it currently stands.  Some of these problems are
more readily apparent than others.  Perhaps one of the more easily
discernable problems is one that involves the maintenance of fit of the
continents over the course of 200+ million years of drift since Pangea. 
Consider that over relatively short time periods, erosion, deposition,
and sedimentary river delta deposits change edges of landmasses
significantly.  For example, three hundred years before Christ, Ephesus
was a seaport city on the coast of the Aegean Sea in Asia Minor.  Within
only 800 years, the city was no longer a port city, but an inland city. 
The historian Pliney said that, in ancient times the sea used to wash up
to the temple of Diana [in Ephesus].  The reason for this regression of
the sea is that the relatively small rivers of Cayster and Meander run
near the city.   Over the years they deposited so much sediment that the
land extended some several miles in a relatively short time.  Today
Ephesus is located about five miles inland.
 
"With all the erosion and on all the various continents and rivers
depositing deltas like the ones at Ephesus, should the continents not,
over a 200+ million year period, loose the shape of their ancient
coastlines?  Currently, according to the US Army Corp of Engineers,..."
and off we go into a lot of handwaving about how coastal erosion cannot
be explained using plate tectonics and, in fact, disproves it. Somehow.

Oh, wait:

"So, knowing this, let us be very conservative and say that an average
coastline changes only one centimeter per year.  This would not be
enough erosion to worry anyone right?  However, how much change would
that be in 200 million years?  The change would be two thousand
kilometers (1,200 miles) . . .  Enough to erode (or deposit) half way
through the United States!   This does not appear to be the case
though.  The coastlines of the various continents still match up very
well - not to mention the fact that the continents themselves have not
been washed away within this time.  I mean, judging by the current rate
of erosion, Louisiana would have been subjected to 5 billion square
miles of erosion/deposition in 200 million years.  That is more than 300
times the size of the entire North American Continent (15 million square
miles)!  That is actually fifteen times more land than the entire
surface area of the Earth itself to include that covered by water (317
million square miles)! 

"Now, I am not saying that rates of erosion do not fluctuate and change,
but it seems fairly obvious that with even minimal amounts of
continental erosion, the continents of today would not match up so
easily if they really had separated from each other over 200 million
years ago.  The evidence does not appear to fit the theory - not even
close.  An extremely rapid continental drift in the recent past seems
much more likely.  A great deal of sudden energy would be required to
cause such a rapid and global continental drift.  Such a sudden release
of energy would most likely cause incredible global catastrophe. 
Massive floods, earthquakes, and volcanoes would occur suddenly on a
global scale."

Yes, this is part of the article that Andrew seems to think proves that
his god exists. Somehow.


I can't read anymore. My stomach hurts from so much laughing at the
amazing lack of knowledge and the misunderstandings that arise from it.
Shooting themselves in the foot.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <2_adnYix1cNv_dDN...@earthlink.com>,
"Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net> wrote:

Where did 4 times the volume of the earth's worth of water come from and
where did it go?

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article
<f752a6b6-6434-4d3d...@o8g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

Yeah, how could prints last when the mythical flood would have washed
all the soil out to sea, leaving nothing but bedrock.

[Andrew]

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:hlwdjsd-0E737D...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day
of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep
burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And
rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."
Genesis7:11,12

[Andrew]

"Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:hlwdjsd-530B6A...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...

> Wombat wrote:
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> > "Father Haskell" wrote:
>> > >Caranx latus wrote:
>> > >> Andrew wrote:
>> > >> > "Father Haskell" wrote:
>> > >> >> Caranx latus wrote:
>> > >> >>> Andrew wrote:
>> > >> >>>> "Father Haskell" wrote:
>> > >> >>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>> >
>> > >> >>>>>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>> > >> >>>>>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>> >
>> > >> >>>>>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>> >
>> > >> >>>>>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>> > >> >>>>>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>> > >> >>>>>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.
>> >
>> > >> >>>>>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>> >
>> > >> >>>>> Explain this with your flood:
>> >
>> > >> >>>>> http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-
>> >

>> > >> >>>> They depict not adance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.
>> >
>> > >> >>> Dinosaurs running up a 70-degree mud wall, a mud wall that didn't
>> > >> >>> slump and wasn't disturbed in the slightest after being entirely covered
>> > >> >>> with water. Is that really the story that you want to stick with?
>> >
>> > >> >> Same water pressure that blasted out the Grand Canyon in
>> > >> >> less than six weeks. Yes, that's the story he wants us to
>> > >> >> believe.
>> >
>> > >> > The evidence fits better the model of a lot of water in a little
>> > >> > bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.
>> >
>> > >> Andrew, focus. How does the creationist flood "model" explain a
>> > >> not-far-off vertical mud wall on which dinosaurs scampered for their
>> > >> dear lives but which remained unsullied by presumed turbidity?
>> >
>> > > The footprints are awfully close together and too regularly spaced
>> > > to have been made by terror-stricken dinosaurs scampering
>> > > for their dear lives. They also seem to be headed in all directions,
>> > > not just upward from the rising waters of gawd's wrath.
>> >
>> > The flood was not in one day. There were rising and falling
>> > waters due to tidal action. Eventually the earth was covered.
>> > The prints are from imprints in semi-liquified sediment that
>> > soon hardened.
>>
>> Was there no rain? You know, 40 days and 40 nights covering the high
>> mountains? I can't see prints lasting then.
>
> Yeah, how could prints last when the mythical flood would have washed
> all the soil out to sea, leaving nothing but bedrock.

Yet you have no problem swallowing the
70 million year old dino dance floor story.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <xc2dnRSyZch3AtDN...@earthlink.com>,

That doesn't explain where 4 times the volume of the earth's worth of
water came from and where did it go.

Try again.

[Caranx latus]

Go on. Are you saying that the muddy tracks were formed before or after
the flood? How did the mud remain adhered to the 70-degree wall? What
about the supposed turbidity of the flood waters?

[Devils Advocaat]

On Sep 10, 10:06 am, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <xc2dnRSyZch3AtDNnZ2dnUVZ_oidn...@earthlink.com>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> > "Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
> >news:hlwdjsd-0E737D...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...

Maybe God's spaceship took all the water from Mars and Venus and
dumped it on Earth to make the floodwaters, then scooped it all up
afterwards and by mistake dumped it all back on Venus, which is why
Venus and Mars are in the state they are today. :P

[Wombat]

IIRC, Andrew's take is that the Earth's mountains were mere pimples
before Ye Floode but "grew" after. When I asked him how the energy
released by this mountain building avoided melting the Earth's crust
or how continuous Richter 9 earthquakes were not mentioned in Genesis,
I was told with great condescension that things were different in the
antediluvial world. The detail that this orogony happened post
deluvial didn't seem to faze him.

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 9, 11:39 pm, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" wrote in messagenews:1bbb9bdd-c082-455c...@x3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

Underwater? On the side of a steep incline?

What about the prints suggests that the dinosaurs were
"scampering for their lives?" Looks to me like they
weren't in any particular rush to get anywhere any time
soon, as if they were enjoying rather idyllic, unhurried
lives.

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 10, 5:06 am, Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <xc2dnRSyZch3AtDNnZ2dnUVZ_oidn...@earthlink.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>  "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> > "Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message
> >news:hlwdjsd-0E737D...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...

The fish all drank it.

[Ken]

Naw....Someone opened a drain plug at the bottom of the Ocean

[harry k]

On Sep 10, 1:08 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:
> "Jeanne Douglas" wrote in messagenews:hlwdjsd-0E737D...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...

Where did it go? How many times are you going to ignore that
question?

Harry K

[harry k]

Nah, it was angels using white buckets.

Harry K

[Malte Runz]

"Father Haskell" skrev i meddelelsen
news:b4545f51-09a5-41bd...@p22g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

Or, as Jason (I think it was Jason) once suggested, 'most of it ran back
into the oceans'.

I still don't understand why Flooders insists on having natural,
scientificly sound, explanations for events they claim to have been acts of
God. The complete absence of physical evidence for the Flood is the best,
well, the only, 'evidence' that points to devine intervention. Lack of
evidence is evidence of God.


--
Malte Runz

[Father Haskell]

On Sep 10, 1:08 pm, "Malte Runz" <malte_r...@forgititl.dk> wrote:
> "Father Haskell"  skrev i meddelelsennews:b4545f51-09a5-41bd...@p22g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

So "scientific" creationism proves they lack faith?

[Mike Painter]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:09:37 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote

<snip>

>
>"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day
>of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep
>burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And
>rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."
> Genesis7:11,12
>
"the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the
heavens were opened"

is from one version of the story and "rain fell on the earth forty
days and forty nights." is from another.

[Malte Runz]

"Father Haskell" skrev i meddelelsen

news:8249fc23-327f-43a0...@s2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...

>
>On Sep 10, 1:08 pm, "Malte Runz" <malte_r...@forgititl.dk> wrote:
>> "Father Haskell" skrev i
>> meddelelsennews:b4545f51-09a5-41bd...@p22g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

(snip)

>> >The fish all drank it.
>>
>> Or, as Jason (I think it was Jason) once suggested, 'most of it ran back
>> into the oceans'.
>>
>> I still don't understand why Flooders insists on having natural,
>> scientificly sound, explanations for events they claim to have been acts
>> of
>> God. The complete absence of physical evidence for the Flood is the best,
>> well, the only, 'evidence' that points to devine intervention. Lack of
>> evidence is evidence of God.
>
>So "scientific" creationism proves they lack faith?

I certainly hope so. They might be totally wrong about what real science has
to say, but if they start reasoning along the lines of 'evidence beats
faith' there is still hope that they'll get it right eventually.

--
Malte Runz

[Andrew]

"Mike Painter" wrote in message news:0c9s48tuagg87frcf...@4ax.com...
> "Andrew" wrote

>
> <snip>
>>
>>"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day
>>of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep
>>burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And
>>rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."
>> Genesis7:11,12
>>
> "the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the
> heavens were opened"
>
> is from one version of the story and "rain fell on the earth forty
> days and forty nights." is from another.

No, same story. The water had more than one source.

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day
of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep
burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And
rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."
Genesis7:11,12

"For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the
waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The
waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated
on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all
the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The
waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than
fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished-birds,
livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth,
and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life
in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was
wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along
the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah
was left, and those with him in the ark. The waters flooded the
earth for a hundred and fifty days."
Genesis7:17-24

[Devils Advocaat]

[Devils Advocaat]

On Sep 10, 2:42 pm, Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

Here's a thought, if the mountains were "mere pimples" why did so much
life drown?

[Andrew]

"Caranx latus" <aug....@gmail.com> wrote in message news:C0k3s.84977$BQ2....@fe12.iad...

..during the time of.

> How did the mud remain adhered to the 70-degree wall?

I suspect the incline is a result of later tectonic activity.

> What about the supposed turbidity of the flood waters?

Do you mean that it would wash away the tracks?

Then what is your explanation for the tracks?

[Mike Painter]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:56:21 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

Take it up with the people who can read the language.
Pick any of the major schools of theology in the USA, UCSD, Berkeley,
Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Pennsylvania, Chicago, Emory, Vanderbilt...


Or explain why ""The flood lasted forty days on the earth." (Genesis
Chapter 7 verse 17)

and

"When the water had increased over the earth for a hundred and fifty
days,... God took thought for Noah and the beasts and cattle with him
in the ark, and he caused a wind to blow over the earth, so that the
water began to subside. The springs of the deep and the windows of
heaven were stopped up, the downpour from the skies was checked."
(Genesis Chapter 7 verse 24)

are both true.

Two versions of the same story told by people separated by culture and
time.

[Ralph]

On 9/9/2012 11:44 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Jeanne Douglas" wrote in message news:hlwdjsd-4A866A...@c-131-121-196-216.gonavy.usna.edu...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Jeanne Douglas" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:

>>>>> "Wombat" wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>>>>>>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>>>>>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>>>>>>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>>>>>>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.

>>>>>> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/ In North Dakota the entire
>>>>>> geologic column is present. Will you read the entry and tell us which
>>>>>> layers were the work of your flood?
>>>>> The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column
>>>>> may in fact have significant flaws t
>>>> That "may" is meaningless without evidence to back it up.
>>> This is true. Therefore *why* did you
>>> delete the evidence that was presented?
>>>
>>> http://www.p2l.it/12t
>> Because it's not evidence. It's a deceitful fraud.
> Can you explain precisely where please?
>

>> --
>> JD
>>
>> "Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden
>

Everywhere Andrew, everywhere. Any sixth grade science student could
refute these lies.
I only wonder why you can't.

[Ralph]

On 9/9/2012 11:18 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Budikka666" wrote in message news:a5d736b8-daea-4b2e...@f6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
> Folks, watch with your own eyes.............................................
> Explanation with demonstration of how stratification occurs.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBv-4jrzmNw&feature=relmfu
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGB_uMRNU&feature=relmfu
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG6tfolc1i4&feature=relmfu
>
>
>


Andrew, I know you are dumber than a fence post but I thought I would give
this one more sincere shot. Just because an item is on the internet
doesn't mean
it is true. Just because it is in a book, it isn't true. In both cases
you either need to be
versed in the field being discussed or know the credentials of the
person presenting the
topic.

Please, no more third grade bible studies.

[Ralph]

On 9/9/2012 11:41 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Father Haskell" wrote in message news:1bbb9bdd-c082-455c...@x3g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> Caranx latus wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Father Haskell" wrote:
>>>>> Caranx latus wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew wrote:

>>>>>>> "Father Haskell" wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Budikka666" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The fossil record, just like evolution, has no purpose. There
>>>>>>>>>> is no plan, no organization, no should, no ought to. It just is,
>>>>>>>>> Actually it does have a purpose.
>>>>>>>>> It stands as a continuous testimony of the catastrophic global
>>>>>>>>> deluge that destroyed the ancient word, and also as a warning
>>>>>>>>> of the coming judgment soon to befall our sinful generation.

>>>>>>>>> Except this time it will not be by water.
>>>>>>>> Explain this with your flood:
>>>>>>>> http://fractalenlightenment.com/797/travel/the-dinosaur-dance-floor-i...
>>>>>>> They depict not adance, but a panicked attempt to escape the deluge.
>>>>>> Dinosaurs running up a 70-degree mud wall, a mud wall that didn't slump
>>>>>> and wasn't disturbed in the slightest after being entirely covered with
>>>>>> water. Is that really the story that you want to stick with?
>>>>> Same water pressure that blasted out the Grand Canyon in
>>>>> less than six weeks. Yes, that's the story he wants us to
>>>>> believe.
>>>> The evidence fits better the model of a lot of water in a little
>>>> bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.
>>> Andrew, focus. How does the creationist flood "model" explain a
>>> not-far-off vertical mud wall on which dinosaurs scampered for their
>>> dear lives but which remained unsullied by presumed turbidity?
>> The footprints are awfully close together and too regularly spaced
>> to have been made by terror-stricken dinosaurs scampering
>> for their dear lives. They also seem to be headed in all directions,
>> not just upward from the rising waters of gawd's wrath.
> The flood was not in one day. There were rising and falling
> waters due to tidal action. Eventually the earth was covered.
> The prints are from imprints in semi-liquified sediment that
> soon hardened.
>

>>> If you understand the creationist flood model, you should have no
>>> trouble answering such a question.
>

Since you appear to have a depth of knowledge on this subject, perhaps
you can tell us exactly how this occurs.
I am particularly interested in how the prints were were maintained
during this violent tidal action:-)))).

[Ralph]

More nonsensical bullshit from the creationist.

[Ralph]

On 9/10/2012 1:56 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Mike Painter" wrote in message news:0c9s48tuagg87frcf...@4ax.com...
>> "Andrew" wrote
>>
>> <snip>
>>> "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day
>>> of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep
>>> burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And
>>> rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."
>>> Genesis7:11,12
>>>
>> "the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the
>> heavens were opened"
>>
>> is from one version of the story and "rain fell on the earth forty
>> days and forty nights." is from another.
> No, same story. The water had more than one source.

No Andrew, two stories. Even some fundamentalists agree on this. Only
the brain-dead fundies
hold with one story.

>
> "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day
> of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep
> burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And
> rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights."
> Genesis7:11,12
>
> "For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the
> waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The
> waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated
> on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all
> the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The
> waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than
> fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished-birds,
> livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth,
> and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life
> in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was
> wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along
> the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah
> was left, and those with him in the ark. The waters flooded the
> earth for a hundred and fifty days."
> Genesis7:17-24
>
>

What did all of this additional weight do to the earth's crust, Andrew?

[Ralph]

:-)))))))).

>
>> How did the mud remain adhered to the 70-degree wall?
> I suspect the incline is a result of later tectonic activity.

You remind me of what a good friend of mine said about a particular
acquaintance of the two of us.
Rod is so dumb that he doesn't even suspect anything. Rod is almost a
double of you.

>> What about the supposed turbidity of the flood waters?
> Do you mean that it would wash away the tracks?
>
> Then what is your explanation for the tracks?

How about there was no global flood:-))).

[Ralph]

Not when the evidence supports it.

[Ken]

On Sep 10, 10:54 am, "Andrew" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> tries to
support his beliefs with a few quotes, while I attempt to prove
Superman exists by using this same faulty method

"The rocket ship sped through star studded space, landing safely on
Earth with it's precious burden -- Krypton's sole survivor. A passing
motorist found the uninjured child and took him to an orphanage.
As the years went by and the child grew to maturity, he found himself
possessed of amazing physical powers. Faster than a speeding bullet,
more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a
single bound. The infant of Krypton is now the man of steel."


Superman Vol.1

[Andrew]

"Ralph" wrote in message news:KNmdnbaoJNbO1tPN...@giganews.com...

Answer please...

1. According to your model, how were they formed?

2. How are they unchanged for "70 million years"?

[Andrew]

"Ralph" wrote in message news:V7CdnV6vXsAG0NPN...@giganews.com...
> Andrew wrote:

It is supported with evidence in combination with fantasy.

[Andrew]

"Ralph" wrote in message news:0oadnQGtyeWB19PN...@giganews.com...

> "Andrew" wrote:
>> Folks, watch with your own eyes.............................................
>> Explanation with demonstration of how stratification occurs.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBv-4jrzmNw&feature=relmfu
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7SGB_uMRNU&feature=relmfu
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG6tfolc1i4&feature=relmfu
>>

> Just because an item is on the internet doesn't mean it is true. Just because it is in a book, it isn't true. In both cases you
> either need to be versed in the field being discussed or know the credentials of the person presenting the topic.

You need more than that to know truth, because there
are those who have good credentials who do not agree
with each other.

The process of stratification presented and demonstrated
is probably different than what you were taught. Therefore
you need to follow some of your advice above, and find
out exactly what is the truth, even if what you had been
previously taught is in error.

I accept that the above applies also to me. But you have
made no attempt to refute in a material way what I have
presented.


Andrew

[Andrew]

"harry k" wrote in message news:d52085b4-67b9-4f0a...@qa3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
"Andrew" wrote:

-
- Where did it go? How many times are you going to ignore that
- question?

We are told right here..

104:6 Thou coveredst it (the earth) with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.

104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.

104:8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

[raven1]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:02:10 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote:

>You need more than that to know truth, because there
>are those who have good credentials who do not agree
>with each other.

The problem, Andrew, is that Creationists start off with a
preconceived religious idea of what happened, and try to fit the data
to their model. Scientists start with the data, and build their model
around it. Which is more likely to be a fruitful approach to
knowledge?

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[Andrew]

"raven1" wrote in message news:52qs48hrhhpg3b9eg...@4ax.com...

> "Andrew" wrote:
>
>>You need more than that to know truth, because there
>>are those who have good credentials who do not agree
>>with each other.
>
> The problem, Andrew, is that Creationists start off with a
> preconceived religious idea of what happened, and try to
> fit the data to their model. Scientists start with the data,
> and build their model around it.

As long as it is constricted to fit the worldview
to which the majority of scientists subscribe."

"I am convinced, moreover, that
Darwinism, in whatever form, is
not in fact a scientific theory, but
a pseudo-metaphysical hypothesis
decked out in scientific garb. In
reality the theory derives its support
NOT from empirical data or logical
deductions of a scientific kind but
from the circumstance that it happens
to be the only doctrine of biological
origins that can be conceived with
the constricted worldview to which
a majority of scientists no doubt
subscribe."
~ Wolfgang Smith
in "Cosmos, Bios,
Theos" p.113

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <QL-dnTQbiM-78NPN...@earthlink.com>,

Who the hell is Wolfgang Smith and why do I care one fig what he thinks?

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:45:21 -0700, "Andrew" <andrew....@usa.net>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:

You need to stop preaching lies, Andrew.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <waOdndHRD46i-dPN...@earthlink.com>,

Deflection noted. Deflection rejected.

Answer the question: Where did a volume of water 4 times the volume of
the Earth go?

[Budikka666]

On Sep 9, "Andrew-a-Blank" <andrew.321re...@usa.net> wrote:

> The popular theories of geology and the formation of the geologic column may in fact have significant flaws

I see you flapping your lying mouth. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support for your claim.

> The evidence fits better the model of a lot of water in a little bit of time, rather than a lot of time and a little bit of water.

I see you flapping your lying mouth. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support for your claim.

> Result of genetic entropy. Noah is not to be blamed.

I see you flapping your lying mouth. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support for your claim.

> This is how stratification occurs.

I see a meaningless You Tube video. I see, as usual, NOT AN IOTA of
positive, peer-reviewed scientific support support for your claim.

Are you going to face me one on one in a formal debate where you
***WILL*** be required to support your bullshit or are you going to
keep running and thereby openly and unconditionally admit that your
pissant god is worthless?

Budikka