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johac

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May 17, 2007, 8:02:03 PM5/17/07
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This is quite interesting. I wish they had pictures.

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Marine species suggest Antarctic "cradle of life"

By Maggie Fox, Health and Science EditorWed May 16, 1:30 PM ET

Carnivorous sponges, 585 new species of crustaceans and hundreds of new
worms have been discovered in the dark waters around Antarctica,
suggesting these depths may have been the source of much marine life,
European researchers reported on Wednesday.

The team, who scooped samples from as deep as 20,000 feet , found
unexpectedly rich diversity of animal life.

Many belong to species found around the world, notably in the Arctic,
while others appear to be unique to the deepest Antarctic waters, the
researchers reported in the journal Nature.

The unique species tend to be the kind that do not spread easily, which
suggests the deep, cold southern oceans may have been the source of many
types of marine life, the researchers conclude.

"The Antarctic deep sea is potentially the cradle of life of the global
marine species. Our research results challenge suggestions that the deep
sea diversity in the Southern Ocean is poor," said Angelika Brandt of
the Zoological Institute and Zoological Museum at Germany's University
of Hamburg.

"We now have a better understanding in the evolution of the marine
species and how they can adapt to changes in climate and environments,"
Brandt, who led the expedition, said in a statement.

Among the new creatures they documented are a gourd-shaped carnivorous
sponge called Chondrocladia; free-swimming worms and 674 species of
isopod, a diverse order of crustaceans that includes woodlice, also
commonly called pillbugs, sea lice or sea centipedes.

Of the isopod crustaceans, 585 species had never been seen before.

Between 2002 and 2005, researchers sampled water and the sediment from
2,500 to 20,000 feet in the deep Weddell Sea and adjacent areas.

Their catch was surprisingly rich.

"What was once thought to be a featureless abyss is in fact a dynamic,
variable and biologically rich environment," Katrin Linse, a marine
biologist from the British Antarctic Survey, said in a statement.

The researchers said the Weddell Sea is an important source of deep
water for the rest of the ocean. Species can enter the depths of the
Weddell sea from shallower continental shelves.

Animals that spread easily, such as the single-celled Foraminifera, were
similar to those found in other oceans.

"The isopods, ostracods (seed shrimp) and nematodes, which are poor
dispersers, include many species currently known only from the Southern
Ocean," the researchers wrote.
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Pangur Ban

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May 18, 2007, 8:54:20 AM5/18/07
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johac uncoiled the following on Thursday :

The extremes - like those volcanic sea vents and now the cold
Antarctica depths - seem to foster much life.

Pang

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KTBp...@gmail.com

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May 18, 2007, 9:21:03 AM5/18/07
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On May 18, 8:54 am, Pangur Ban <Whistleblo...@att.net> wrote:

> The extremes - like those volcanic sea vents and now the cold
> Antarctica depths - seem to foster much life.

Am I the only one sporting a Europa-inspired boner? The possibilities
are at the very least exciting.

johac

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May 18, 2007, 6:47:58 PM5/18/07
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In article <mn.919e7d75c...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

Life is amazing. It seems to be ubiquitous. I think that the chances of
finding life on other planets is looking better and better. I wish I
could go.
>
> Pang

Andy W

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May 18, 2007, 7:01:32 PM5/18/07
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On 18 May, 01:02, johac <jhachm...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> This is quite interesting. I wish they had pictures.
>
> ---
> Marine species suggest Antarctic "cradle of life"
>
> By Maggie Fox, Health and Science EditorWed May 16, 1:30 PM ET
>
<snip>

> --
> John #1782
>
> "We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
> white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
>
> - Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.

Your fish is my command:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/sci_nat_antarctic_treasure_trove/html/1.stm

Andy

Matt Silberstein

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May 18, 2007, 7:29:13 PM5/18/07
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On 18 May 2007 06:21:03 -0700, in alt.atheism , KTBp...@gmail.com in
<1179494463....@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> wrote:

>On May 18, 8:54 am, Pangur Ban <Whistleblo...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> The extremes - like those volcanic sea vents and now the cold
>> Antarctica depths - seem to foster much life.
>
>Am I the only one sporting a Europa-inspired boner?

I hope so.

> The possibilities
>are at the very least exciting.

For an inappropriate notion of exciting apparently.

:-p


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Pangur Ban

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May 18, 2007, 8:09:33 PM5/18/07
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KTBp...@gmail.com uncoiled the following on Friday :

I am not physically equipped for such a reaction - lol - but I too find
the prospect of some sort of life in our own solar system very
exciting.

Pang - female. :-)

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Seneca


Pangur Ban

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May 18, 2007, 8:10:19 PM5/18/07
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johac opined :

I too. *sigh*

Smiler

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May 18, 2007, 11:44:24 PM5/18/07
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"johac" <jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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There are some that I wish would go....and never come back.
Y'all know who I mean.

Smiler,
The godless one


johac

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May 19, 2007, 3:04:11 AM5/19/07
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In article <sou3i.362$G06...@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:

I wouldn't want to send them to an inhabited planet though. that would
be mean.
>
> Smiler,
> The godless one

johac

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May 19, 2007, 3:05:51 AM5/19/07
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In article <mn.94427d750...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

Well, when I build my own space ship, I'll be sure to send you an
invite. :-)

Michael Gray

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May 19, 2007, 4:19:38 AM5/19/07
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 00:04:11 -0700, johac
<jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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To you?
Or the inhabitants?

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Pangur Ban

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May 19, 2007, 9:06:26 AM5/19/07
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johac explained :

It has best be FTL - and when can I start packing????? What is the
luggage weight limit?

Pang - searching for a pen to start making a packing list.....


>>>>
>>>> Pang

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Smiler

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May 19, 2007, 6:28:47 PM5/19/07
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"johac" <jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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That depends on the inhabitants.
If the inhabitants were merely protozoa or amoeba, then the exiles would fit
in quite nicely as 'food'.
If the inhabitants were super-intelligent sentient beings, they could use
the exiles as laboratory 'rats'.
If the inhabitants were of our level of intelligence, it would at least give
them a good laugh for a while.
They could forward the exiles somewhere else when they got fed up with them.

Smiler,
The godless one


johac

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May 19, 2007, 7:57:29 PM5/19/07
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In article <mn.99aa7d751...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

I have the basic floor plan all worked out, even where to put the
swimming pool and the movie theater, but I still have a 'little' work to
do on the warp drive.

I don't know about the weight limit, but you can bring all the liquid
products that you want, and you don't even have to take off your shoes.


>
> Pang - searching for a pen to start making a packing list.....
>

Since we don't know what these planets will be like, better come
prepared for hot cold, wet, dry, and bring an extra change of space
suits.

Smiler

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May 19, 2007, 9:28:14 PM5/19/07
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"johac" <jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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And an extra change of underwear, in case the 'natives' aren't friendly.

Smiler,
The godless one


Pangur Ban

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May 19, 2007, 10:25:37 PM5/19/07
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johac responded :

ROFL!!!

> I don't know about the weight limit, but you can bring all the liquid
> products that you want, and you don't even have to take off your shoes.

Sounds good to me!


>>
>> Pang - searching for a pen to start making a packing list.....
>>
> Since we don't know what these planets will be like, better come
> prepared for hot cold, wet, dry, and bring an extra change of space
> suits.

Will bring mini-AC, snowshoes, scuba gear, and iced tea.

Pang
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pang

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Michael Gray

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May 20, 2007, 12:39:00 AM5/20/07
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:25:37 -0600, Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net>
wrote:
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Don't wear a singlet.
Look what it did to Sigourney.

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johac

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May 20, 2007, 12:57:34 AM5/20/07
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In article <mn.9cc97d75a...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

Maybe bring some cookies too? Please?
>
> Pang

johac

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May 20, 2007, 1:01:40 AM5/20/07
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In article <zSK3i.514$M22...@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>,
"Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:

At least they could communicate with the Bushies at their level.

> If the inhabitants were super-intelligent sentient beings, they could use
> the exiles as laboratory 'rats'.

Nah. If they tested them they would flunk.

> If the inhabitants were of our level of intelligence, it would at least give
> them a good laugh for a while.

They could have their own wing at the zoo.

> They could forward the exiles somewhere else when they got fed up with them.

Good then they'd get the blame.

johac

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May 20, 2007, 1:03:10 AM5/20/07
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In article <5oct43dr03o1pd8tl...@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mike...@newsguy.com> wrote:

The inhabitants of course. If they're an advance species, I'd be worried
that they'd get pissed and come after us.
>
> --

Michael Gray

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May 20, 2007, 3:01:36 AM5/20/07
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 22:03:10 -0700, johac
<jhac...@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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A realistic fear, after all, they think that you are trying to "bring
democracy" to them!

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Pangur Ban

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May 20, 2007, 10:07:28 AM5/20/07
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After serious thinking Michael Gray wrote :

Face-huggers! *shudder*

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Pangur Ban

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May 20, 2007, 10:10:05 AM5/20/07
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johac presented the following :

If research does find a cure for diabetes before launch - cookies,
cakes, candy - all that stuff I don't keep in the house now!!!!!!

Gingersnaps, chocolate chips, Death-by-chocolate ... just a cup of
sweetened tea!! I have memories! :-)

>>
>> Pang

johac

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May 20, 2007, 7:02:30 PM5/20/07
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In article <mn.a1e77d75a...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

Better bring a catchers mask. :-)

johac

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May 20, 2007, 7:05:03 PM5/20/07
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In article <mn.a1ea7d75f...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

Well, potato chips are OK too, unsalted, I need to watch the old
pressure. :-)

johac

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May 20, 2007, 7:06:44 PM5/20/07
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In article <ugsv43dqkl70a8nn1...@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mike...@newsguy.com> wrote:

They might think that we want to destroy their planet in order to save
it.

Pangur Ban

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May 21, 2007, 9:49:35 AM5/21/07
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johac presented the following :

LOL And a thorasic surgical team!!

Pangur Ban

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May 21, 2007, 9:50:34 AM5/21/07
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johac expressed precisely :

*sigh* Until medical science develops "cures" - fruits and veggies!

Harry F. Leopold

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May 21, 2007, 10:31:25 AM5/21/07
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 18:01:32 -0500, Andy W wrote
(in article <1179529292.5...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>):

> ove/html/1.stm
>
> Andy

And it was good. Thanks.

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johac

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May 21, 2007, 7:52:51 PM5/21/07
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In article <mn.a9d67d759...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

That's good too. I like carrot sticks and since moving to So. Cal. I've
developed a taste for jicama.

johac

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May 21, 2007, 7:54:42 PM5/21/07
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In article <mn.a9d57d75e...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

For sure. And one of those mechanical contraptions that Sigourney used
in the second movie to fight the "bitch".

Pangur Ban

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May 21, 2007, 8:04:58 PM5/21/07
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johac used the keyboard to articulate :

Never met a carrot I didn't like - 'cause they are very sugary. Love
jicama and so does Ivy (conure). :-)

johac

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May 22, 2007, 1:28:54 AM5/22/07
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In article <mn.ac3c7d751...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

It's funny, I didn't know what jicama was until I moved out to
California. Now I wouldn't think of making a salad without it.

Harry F. Leopold

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May 22, 2007, 9:09:52 AM5/22/07
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:54:42 -0500, johac wrote
(in article <jhachmann-5605E...@news.giganews.com>):

That would be "the Full Waldo," of course. (With apologies to Robert A.
Heinlein.)

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Pangur Ban

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May 22, 2007, 9:19:19 AM5/22/07
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Oddly, the restaurants (using the term loosely :-) )in my area don't
use it. They put beans in the salads - guacamole - sour cream - but no
jicama. *shrug*

johac

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May 22, 2007, 6:54:21 PM5/22/07
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In article <0001HW.C27855D0...@news.central.cox.net>,

Heh.

johac

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May 22, 2007, 6:56:30 PM5/22/07
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In article <mn.b1b77d758...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

I thought it was pretty much in use all over the Southwest. If you go to
a salad bar in almost any restaurant around my way, you'll find jicama.

Pangur Ban

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May 22, 2007, 7:44:44 PM5/22/07
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It is standard around Santa Fe ... the City Different. :-)

johac

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May 23, 2007, 12:51:48 AM5/23/07
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In article <mn.b4287d75c...@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistl...@att.net> wrote:

Ah. I see. It's all around San Diego, but it might not be so out in the
boonies in East county. I'll have to go and see sometime.

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