The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.
--Galaxy Song Monty Python
one of my favourites ....... and should be compulsory in every school
.......
--
MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity .............
and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
It is an interesting song..and obviously a tribute to Intelligent
Design to think the Cosmos was created so WE could have a place to
call home (earth) . Or ... is it more rational to force oneself to
believe that the scientifically verified 250+ extremely narrow
tweaked Physics Constants of our Cosmos which are are ALL needed,
simultaneously, because each depends on the other for its own
sustainence so Earth can be here so we can be here.....was just 'a
fluke of an accident with no purpose' ? At one time i thought
perhaps i did have enough faith to be an atheist...but I just dont
have that sort of required faith . Actually, no one else does
either...so, why are you a proclaimed atheist ? Because you dont want
a personal Creator to exist ? How come ? Thanks.
Eric Idle intended no such thing.
> Or ... is it more rational to force oneself to
>believe that the scientifically verified 250+
Bullshit. Let's see a list.
> extremely narrow
>tweaked Physics Constants of our Cosmos which are are ALL needed,
>simultaneously, because each depends on the other for its own
>sustainence
This makes no sense. Can you give some examples of what you mean?
> so Earth can be here so we can be here.....
Fallacy of assuming one's conclusion.
>was just 'a
>fluke of an accident with no purpose' ?
There are hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of
billions of stars. Why would you find it a "fluke" that at least one
of them has a planet capable of supporting life?
> At one time i thought
>perhaps i did have enough faith to be an atheist...but I just dont
>have that sort of required faith .
No faith is required to not believe in something for which there is no
evidence. (Hint: your personal incredulity is not evidence for
anything).
> Actually, no one else does
>either...so, why are you a proclaimed atheist ?
Because I see no reason to believe in unsupported claims of magical
beings.
> Because you dont want
>a personal Creator to exist ?
Actually, I really don't care one way or the other. Reality is
indifferent to our desires.
> How come ? Thanks.
A couple of my favorite quotes on the subject:
What do you expect to see? A universe which - isn't - suitable for
our survival?!
-- unknown
Miraculous Constant - Many theists use the existence of the constants
to argue for God, but what they fail to realize is that these are just
properties of the universe we live in. It is like saying : "It's lucky
that pi is exactly 3.1415926... otherwise circles would look funny!"
--unknown
"IlBe...@gmail.com" <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ccda8c43-095b-4890...@r34g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
What is it with you and this whole 'creator' fetish, anyway? It's really
kinda freaky. Could it be that it is because you *want* a personal creator
to exist?
As for the rest, when you understand why puddles 'just happen' to reside in
little holes 'exactly suitable' for their shape, maybe you'll understand how
it is humankind exists in an environment that 'just happens' to be suitable
for us. It really isn't rocket science - kind of sad that you don't get it
despite it being explained to you so many times. Or maybe you don't want to
get it, because you really REALLY want a personal creator to exist? Life and
death are just so scary otherwise, aren't they?
So sad.
---
a.a. #2273
Wrong. It is only a tribute to the consequences of signing an organ
donor card.
---
a.a. #2273
As far as we know right now, this tiny little planet is the only place in
the universe where humans can live without technological protection. Even
on earth, much of the surface is salt water and humans cannot live there
permanently without protection. On the dry land, much of it is too cold,
too hot, too high or too dry for humans.
If the universe was created for humans, how come most of it will kill an
unprotected human, sometimes within seconds?
--
Atheism: Godless, not believing in the existence of gods.
That's far more likely.
At one time i thought
> perhaps i did have enough faith to be an atheist...but I just dont
> have that sort of required faith . Actually, no one else does
> either...so, why are you a proclaimed atheist ? Because you dont want
> a personal Creator to exist ? How come ? Thanks.
Idiot.
--
Renewable Energy = Homeland Security
<snip of pseudo-scientific silliness, no where near the class of
python>
> Actually, no one else does
> either...so, why are you a proclaimed atheist ? Because you dont want
> a personal Creator to exist ? How come ? Thanks.
Why do you need a "personal creator" to show that this whole universe
is just for you?!!!
Egos are fragile things.
--
jabba
citizen of the empire
Yes - I don't understand how they can say this universe was designed
perfectly for humans when we can't live in 99.999999999...........% of it!
Slatts
I challenge superstition/religion, magical belief systems vs. critical
thinking and the
validity of so-called "sacred texts." I dare to ask the question,
"Is it true just because most people believe it?" Science
is not for emotional irrationalists; it's for thinking adults who
aren't afraid to
question their own deeply-held religious beliefs. God is just an
imaginary friend for adults after thousands of scientific
experiments there is no evidence for a god.
You're not using your liver anyway...
The "fine tuning" myth has been thoroughly debunked. Nature is
indifferent to life. Human life is simply a by-product of the current
local environment. We fit the niche so here we are. The universe
and the earth were NOT designed so we could exist.
Given a different environment, life would be different (silicon
based?) or like Mars where no complex life forms at all exist (as far
as we know).
>At one time i thought...
>
What melted your brain ?
>perhaps i did have enough faith to be an atheist...but I just dont
>have that sort of required faith . Actually, no one else does
>either...so, why are you a proclaimed atheist ? Because you dont want
>a personal Creator to exist ? How come ?
>
..becuase the belief in a Creator makes people stupid. Its an excuse
to remain ignornat and lazy. Faith in a non-exitent entity provides
zero answers about nature. That's a dangerous concept to base your
life on.
_______________________________________________________________
If Jesus had been killed 20 years ago, Catholic school
children would be wearing little Electric Chairs around
their necks instead of crosses." [Lenny Bruce]
> --Galaxy Song Monty Python
By the way, thanks for nothing. Now I can't get Eric Idle's toneless
droning out of my head.
---
a.a. #2273
Then don't read these next words Tirebiter:
"Ice, Ice Baby..."
> Then don't read these next words Tirebiter:
>
> "Ice, Ice Baby..."
I appear to be totally immune to hip-hop and rap. I am showing my age
by saying I've never heard that song.
---
a.a. #2273
The sun will come up, tomorrow...
"A" is for Apple,
"J" is for Jacks...
--
655321
Rock...
Rock...
Rock...
Rock Lobster! Down! Down!
You son of a bitch.
I seek not to know the answers, but to understand the questions.
>> http://members.cox.net/wwcw/
>
Is Ric Flair still their champ?
> www.christiansaremorons.net
>
Darn, that last site's not up yet. Sounds entertaining. : )
Go Blazers !
Now *that* falls under the heading of unnecessary cruelty....
I had a bad case of this last week when a woman mentioned something
about Bob Marley's "One Love" and that got stuck in my head, followed
by a 2 hour encore of "I shot the sheriff".
---
a.a. #2273
My granddaughter & I have been exchanging "Tomorrow, tomorrow"s for about 6
months now. I have to admit I started it but every few weeks one of us will
bring it back up & we both go, "Oh no!" : )
Go Blazers !
According to Fossil Lin, he left it on Mars!
--
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all individually tailor
made to perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer.
I wonder how many folks will click that link?
(I did) ;-)
2 so far.
"Ice, Ice Baby..."
--------------------------
Goddamn! :-(
Beehive hairdo's are floating through my mind....
That only puts Queen's "Under Pressure" in my head.
"On the goooo-uuuud ship lollipop."
Ice Ice Baby lyrics
"Ice Ice Baby"
by Vanilla Ice
from "To the Extreme"
Yo, VIP, Let's kick it!
Ice Ice Baby
Ice Ice Baby
All right stop
Collaborate and listen
Ice is back with my brand new invention
Something grabs a hold of me tightly
Flowin like a harpoon daily and nightly
Will it ever stop?
Yo--I don't know
Turn off the lights and I'll glow
To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal
Light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.
Dance
Bum rush the speaker that booms
I'm killin your brain like a poisonous mushroom
Deadly, when I play a dope melody
Anything less that the best is a felony
Love it or leave it
You better gain way
You better hit bull's eye
The kid dont play
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla (4X)
Now that the party is jumping
With the bass kicked in, the Vegas are pumpin'
Quick to the point, to the point no faking
Cooking MC's like a pound of bacon
Burning 'em if they're ain't quick and nimble
I go crazy when I hear a cymbal
And a hi hat with a souped up tempo
I'm on a roll and it's time to go solo
Rollin in my 5.0
With my ragtop down so my hair can blow
The girlies on standby
Waving just to say HI
Did you stop?
No--I just drove by
Kept on pursuing to the next stop
I bust a left and I'm heading to the next block
That block was dead
Yo--so I continued to A1A Beachfront Ave.
Girls were hot wearing less than bikinis
Rockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
Jealous 'cause I'm out getting mine
Shay with a guage and Vanilla with a nine
Reading for the chumps on the wall
The Chumps are acting ill because they're so full of eight balls
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine--
All I heard were shells
Fallin on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper the avenue's packed
I'm tryin to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene
You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem
Yo, I'll solve it
Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla (4X)
Take heed, 'cause I'm a lyrical poet
Miami's on the scene just in case you didn't know it
My town, that created all the bass sound
Enough to shake and kick holes in the ground
'Cause my style's like a chemical spill
Feasible rhymes that you can vision and feel
Conducted and formed
It's a hell of a concept
We make it hype and you want to step with this
Shay palays on the fade, sliced like a ninja
Cut like a razor blade so fast
Other DJ's say, "Damn"
If my rhyme was a drug
I'd sell it by the gram
Keep my composure when it's time to get loose
Magnetized by the mic while I kick my juice
If there was a problem
Yo--I'll solve it!
Check out the hook while Deshay revolves it.
Ice Ice Baby Vanilla (4X)
Yo man--let's get out of here!
Word to your mother!
Ice Ice baby Too Cold
Ice Ice baby Too Cold Too cold (3X)
I would wile away the hours, conferring with the flowers, consulting with
the rain...
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
> It is an interesting song..and obviously a tribute to Intelligent
> Design to think the Cosmos was created so WE could have a place to
> call home (earth) . Or ... is it more rational to force oneself to
> believe that the scientifically verified 250+ extremely narrow
> tweaked Physics Constants of our Cosmos which are are ALL needed,
> simultaneously, because each depends on the other for its own
> sustainence so Earth can be here so we can be here.....was just 'a
> fluke of an accident with no purpose' ? At one time i thought
> perhaps i did have enough faith to be an atheist...but I just dont
> have that sort of required faith . Actually, no one else does
> either...so, why are you a proclaimed atheist ? Because you dont want
> a personal Creator to exist ? How come ? Thanks.
Hopefully, you have already heard Mark Twain's observation that the Eiffel
Tower exits to hold up the piece of paint covering the ball at its top?
For those who don't have closed minds. For those who do have closed minds or
for those who have closed minds and on top of that are hatefull ,I will pray
for you.
Quintessential closed mindedness and hatefulness in its passive
aggressive form.
But as long as you're going to do it anyway, you can try this fun
experiment at the same time.
Pray into one hand, and crap into the other. Then see which hand
fills up first.
---
a.a. #2273
For those who don't have closed minds. For those who do have closed minds or
for those who have closed minds and on top of that are hateful ,I will pray
for you.
For those who don't have closed minds. For those who do have closed minds or
for those who have closed minds and on top of that are hateful ,I will pray
for you.
Then don't read these next words Tirebiter:
"Ice, Ice Baby..."
***********************************************
Yez jus' askin' for it.
Ice Ice Baby lyrics
************************************
Jim Carrey version from In Living Color is far superior.
Go Blazers !
How does that one go?
How does that one go?
***********************
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A7tLVIsuNw
Go Blazers !
Yeah, but you can at least enjoy Bob Marley the first few times through.
Vanilla Ice is a totally different story.
Or how about this link ?
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0076/0076_01.asp
>
>
For those who don't have closed minds. For those who do have closed minds or
for those who have closed minds and on top of that are hateful ,I will pray
for you.
That made my day Swill, thanks for posting the link.
Only problem is that Vanilla Ice is still cooler than me.
Lucky you.
PDW
"Balls to the walls, man..."
;->
PDW
Better then White Ice's song....
PDW
Oh, goodie, a cutandpaste jackass with nothing to say.
PDW
Message from TCDun's Wife Kathy:
Homemaking with Kathy! --presents--
Kathy's Book Corner
Bob Avakian "Away with all Gods"
Hi. I'm Kathy. And this is Kathy's Book Corner.
Unlike most book clubs where ladies only read books that they like,
Kathy's Book Corner looks at ugly books that are dangerous to
Christianity and should be banned. I read them, and then I burn them.
A few weeks ago, a man came to the Best Church of God to spread his
Communist Anarchistic Atheist propaganda in the form of the book. This
book, titled "Away With all Gods,” was written by one Mr. Bob
Avakian.
For those of you who are smart and don't pay attention to such loony
toons living in Crazy Town, Bob Avakian is in charge of the
Revolutionary Communist Party. In other words, Bob Avakian is not
American. (And he is going to Hell)
I found "Away With All Gods" to be scary and wrong. This book is the
transcription of two speeches which leads me to believe that Bob is
lazy and doesn't know how to write. He just scribbles down the
heathenous speeches he gives to pot-smoking college students. And his
grammar is atrocious! He doesn't capitalize the word "God". Not once.
It's always supposed to be capitalized, but only when it's referring
to our God. pagan gods and muhammad are all lower case.
Evil Bob Avakian believes that all religions are bad for you and that
they pollute our minds with superstition to turn us into mindless
drones. Mindless drones? Mindless drones. Mindless drones...
Where was I? Oh yes. bob avakian's stinky book of paganism:
Because bob is a stupid anti-Christ, he asks a lot of questions. As we
all know, in Proverbs the bible says “Trust in the Lord with all your
heart, in your own intelligence rely not.” So what’s the use of
questions? Oh. I just asked a question. Ooops! See how easily the
devil can spread his evilishness? There it is again! Shoot. Let’s all
take a moment to say 3 “Hail Mary’s.”
Now that we’re protected by Christ Power, we can confront one of
avakian’s sinfully contageous questions. Page 24-
"Why not tell people the truth, and help them understand reality as it
actually is, including the real causes of sickness and affliction?"
Well, bob, that's because the Bible is the truth. It's an ancient book
of true things that are always right and accurately define our
reality. Everyone knows that the real cause of sickness and affliction
is Satan. And that the only cure for feeling crummy is God. See Psalm
41:3: "The LORD will sustain him on his sickbed and restore him from
his bed of illness." Not a doctor, the Lord!
A lot of things angered me in this demon manifesto. For instance, Mr.
Avakian says on page 27 that Jesus' words and actions should be
"evaluated just like those of any other human being which is what
Jesus was and all that he was". That is so not true. Jesus is the Son
of God. So He is the Christ- He is God AND Man. At the same time and
with a ghost named the Holy Spirit. It's the Trinity. And all of Them
Are Equal. And the Same Person. But not A person. A God. But a Ghost,
Too. And The Christ. Look it up in the Bible, ladies.
You may be thinking, "Wow, Kathy! This book is bad news bears!" But I
haven't gotten to the very worst thing yet. It's on page 666. I mean,
page 225:
"There is no God- therefore there is no sin."
If there is no sin, then there can't be a death penalty. And then what
about all those evil criminals?
Speaking of criminals, Bob Avakian is also a baby killer. That's
right. He is pro-choice. Bob says this on page 182:
"What lies at the heart of the issue of abortion, and of the Christian
Fascist's unrelenting attempt to make it illegal, is not the killing
of babies (which is scientifically wrong in the first place) but it is
the chaining of women in oppressive relations in which their essential
role is reduced to that of being the property of men and the breeders
of their children, according to "god's plan" and the dictates of
theocratic interpreters of "god's will".
Except for the part about him hating babies, I didn’t understand a
word of that. Did you, ladies? Silly Bob Avakian. If you want to
convert people to your satanic cult, you need to use smaller words.
God wrote the bible so everyone could understand it. That’s why it’s
so easy and fun to read. Not to mention concise. Looks like Mr.
Avakian has a lot to learn from Christianity!
Well, that was Kathy's Book Corner- telling you to rush to the nearest
bookstore and buy "Away with All Gods" by Bob Avakian. But before you
open it, burn it. Burn it hard.
Praise Jesus!
Gotta admit, septic, that was pretty damned funny.
And I'll think for you, Sport. Gawd knows somebody has to.
>
Ah. Thanks for changing the channel.
Get back to me on that after you've accepted the Tooth Fairy as your
lord and savior.
> I will pray
> for you.
Kewl. I will think for you.
> > Then don't read these next words Tirebiter:
> >
> > "Ice, Ice Baby..."
>
> I appear to be totally immune to hip-hop and rap. I am showing my age
> by saying I've never heard that song.
You're not missing much. Think of the riff from the start of Queen & David
Bowie's "Under Pressure", then go off on a totally fucked-up tangent.
LOL :)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight
#1557
Another one of Chick's amusing tracts! Thank you; I had not read that one
before. It is interesting in that for the first part of the tract,
Charlie and other construction workers raise very valid reasons to
doubt the accuracy of the claims of the Bible, which are never addressed.
The most obvious is that the vast majority of the world's population will
die without ever having heard of Jesus. According to Chick, those people
will be condemned to eternal torture, when their only "crime" was being
born in the wrong culture. How could such a God be considered anything
other than a sadistic monster?
Typical Xtian deep thinking: raise valid objections to the
bible, then, in the end, Jesus tells him that since he didn't believe the
bible, he's fucked.
My second favorite rational wrinkle: the old "Jesus had a shitty weekend
for your sins." He's God. He's "all powerful". He lives forever. He
spends one afternoon being tortured, as so many mortals had also
suffered, and we are supposed to be impressed by his great sacrifice? We
are supposed to be obliged to him, when we had no choice in it?
--
MarkA
Keeper of the Butter Dish of Balshazar
Thank you. You should read the book 'Away With All gods.'
"When I speak of the God of the Bible, I speak of that God who became
upset
that man ate of the tree of knowledge, who multiplied the agonies of
woman,
increased the toil of men, and in his anger drowned the world--of
that
god
whose altars reek with blood, who butchered babies, violated maidens,
who
filled the earth with cruelty and crime, and who made a heaven for
the
few and
a hell for the many."
Lawyer and orator, Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Not only do you have a closed mind but a poor sense of humor and a self
destructive personality. How sad for you .
Real Science investigates all possibilities.
Investigate here,if you really don't have a closed mind...
> www.christiananswers.net
>
> http://members.cox.net/wwcw/
And like I said,if you refuse to see the truth ,because you are brainwashed
or because it is easier to remain ignorant and irresponsible ,so that you
can remain in your sin and fallen state without changing your heart and mind
and lifestyle ,then how sad for you.But perhaps some will investigate and be
saved,even if you wish to remain ignorant ? Those who refuse to see the
truth of the evidence that Christ provides are the ones who probably believe
in things like the tooth fairy and darwin and Santa Claus,etc.
Investigate,search and find the life boat or go down with the Titanic (the
World and it's brainwashed ignorance).And as I said,I will pray for you as
you attack and hate me (and Christ).
>
> "Tim McGaughy" <tee...@toast.net> wrote in message
> news:_qSdnbcVGsH5ItDX...@posted.toastnet...
>> tcdun wrote:
>>> www.christiananswers.net
>>>
>>> http://members.cox.net/wwcw/
>>>
>>>
>>> For those who don't have closed minds.
>>
>> Get back to me on that after you've accepted the Tooth Fairy as your
>> lord and savior.
>>
>>> I will pray
>>> for you.
>>
>> Kewl. I will think for you.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Not only do you have a closed mind but a poor sense of humor and a
> self destructive personality. How sad for you .
He's not a xian, and because he is not a xian he has learned to accept
life as it is. To include those that like you, cannot survive without the
remains of invisible support.
> Real Science investigates all possibilities.
So, you were never exposed to science in high school then? One of the
many things I learned about science in high school was, it answers
questions that have a basis in real and physical presence. It doesn't do
metaphysics, and theology, get real. Now when you can trot your god out
for science to observe, or point to activities that only a god would be
capable of doing, then science might have something to work with. But it
does not investigate very small words of three letters that have no
substantial support. Science is not required to investigate your
gullibility of matter what you call it. Now if you want to fund such
investigation, have at it. You might even get somebody that he is a
scientist in the appropriate field, whatever that might be, investigate
your claims. But as of right now, there is no discipline known as god
research because, there's no need. Until a
god/goddess/demon/spirit/Angel/bogeyman/otherworldly entity makes its
physical presence known, there's nothing to investigate
it's only when required for a god, it's such a common requirement for so
many things as to make the term useless. It must be supernatural. Strange
thing that, if it's supernatural, it cannot react with the natural. Once
it has done that, it becomes a natural event & subject to investigation
by science. Again, I'm not certain which disciplines would be involved,
but that's your problem and not mine. Science is not a unified field of
study but a conglomeration of many disciplines. None of which are
involved with, philosophy or theology.
> Investigate here,if you really don't have a closed mind...
>> www.christiananswers.net
I have been at that site, and my ribs are still sore from laughing. It's
pretty, and designed to appeal to the easily bemused, as well as the
ignorant. Apparently, in at least one case, it works.
>>
>> http://members.cox.net/wwcw/
Oh yes, another website I have failed to bookmark. I don't like
speculation presented as fact, nor do I accept as a working hypothesis,
anything that is not a hypothesis that can lead to a theory which can
lead to scientific investigation and verification. Save your mumbo-jumbo
& whatever you do, do not subscribe to any of the following. You may
accidentally learn something to your displeasure. Mind you, I wouldn't
mind. But the use of publications meant for people to actually study
mythology, primarily xian mythology.
ABBREVIATIONS
AASOR Annual of the American Schools of Oriental Research
AJSL American Journal of Semitic Languages
AOAT Alter Orient und Altes Testament
�AT �gypten und Altes Testament
ABD Anchor Bible Dictionary 6 volumes (Ed. D.N. Freedman; New York:
Doubleday, 1992).
ABL Harry Frank & Roger Boraas, Atlas of the Bible Lands
(Maplewood: Hammond, 1990 - revised edition).
AEO Ancient Egyptian Onomastica I - II
AJA American Journal of Archaeology
�L �gypten und Levant / Egypt and the Levant (Vienna)
ANET James B. Pritchard, Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the Old
Testament (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1969 - 3rd edition).
AOS American Oriental Society
ARAB D.D. Luckenbill, Ancient Records of Assyria and Babylon (2
volumes Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1926-1927)
ARCE American Research Center in Egypt
ASAE Annales du service des antiquit�s de l'�gypte (Cairo)
ASOR American Schools of Oriental Research
BA Biblical Archaeologist
BAR Biblical Archaeology Review
BASOR Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research
BES Bulletin of the Egyptian Seminar
BIFAO Bulletin de l'Institut Fran�ais d'Arch�ologie Orientale
(Cairo)
BN Biblische Notizen (Bamberg)
BZAW Beiheften zur Zeitschrift f�r �gyptische Sprache und
Altertumskunde
CAD The Assyrian Dictionary of the Oriental Institute of the University
of Chicago (eds. I. J Gelb, et. al.: Chicago: The University of Chicago
Press, 1956 to present)
CBQ Catholic Biblical Quarterly
Cd'� Chronique d'�gypte
CDME R.O. Faulkner, Concise Dictionary of Middle Egyptian (Oxford: Oxford
University Press, 1962)
CRIPEL Cahiers de recherches de l'institut de Papyrologie et
d'�gyptologie de Lille
DE Discussions in Egyptology (Oxford)
DLE Leonard H. Lesko, A Dictionary of Late Egyptian 5 volumes (Berkeley:
BC Scribe, 1982-1990)
DtrH Deuteronomistic History or Historian
EA El-Amarna = Amarna Letters
EEF Egypt Exploration Fund
EES Egypt Exploration Society
GM G�ttinger Miszellen
HAB The Harper Atlas of the Bible (Ed. J.B. Pritchard; New York, Harper
& Row, 1987)
HTR Harvard Theological Review
IDB Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible 4 volumes & supplement (Ed.
G.A. Buttrick; Nashville: Abingdon Press, 1962 & 1976)
IEJ Israel Exploration Journal
IFAO Institut fran�ais d'arch�ologie orientale
ISBE International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (Ed. G.W. Bromiley: Grand
Rapids:Eerdmans, 1979-1988)
JANES Journal of the Ancient Near Eastern Society
JAOS Journal of the American Oriental Society
JARCE Journal of the American Research Center in Egypt
JEA Journal of Egyptian Archaeology
JETS Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society
JB Jerusalem Bible
JBL Journal of Biblical Literature
JNES Journal of Near Eastern Studies
JSOT Journal for the Study of the Old Testament
JSS Journal of Semitic Studies
JSSEA Journal of the Society for the Study of Egyptian Antiquities
JTC Journal for Theology and the Church
LXX Septuagint (Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible)
KB Ludwig Koehler & Walter Baumgartner, Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti
Libros (Leiden: Brill, 1985).
KJV King James Version
KRI Kenneth Kitchen, Ramesside Inscriptions, Historical and
Biographical 7 Volumes (Oxford: Blackwell, 1968- )
LEM Alan H. Gardiner, Late Egyptian Miscellanies (Bibliotheca
Aegyptiaca; Brussels: �dition de la Fondation �gyptologique Reine
Elizabeth, 1937).
Les. Kurt Sethe, Aegyptische Lesest�cke zum Gebrauch in
akademischen Unterricht (Leipzig: J.C. Hinrichs'sche, 1928).
MBA Yohanan Aharoni & Michael Avi-Yonah, The MacmillanBible Atlas (New
York: Macmillan, 1977 - revised edition).
MIFAO Memoires de l'institut fran�ais d'arch�ologie Orientale
MMJ Metropolitan Museum Journal
MT Masoretic Text
NAS New American Standard Bible
NBD New Bible Dictionary (Ed. J.D. Douglas; Downers
Grove/Leister: InterVarsity Press, 1982 - revised edition)
NEAEHL New Encyclopedia of Archaeological Excavations in the Holy
Land 4 Volumes (Ed. Ephriam Stern; New York: Simon & Schuster, 1993).
NEB New English Bible
NIV New International Version
OBA Herbert G. May, Oxford Bible Atlas (London/New York: Oxford
University Press, 1974).
OBO Orbis Biblicus et Orientalis (Freiberg)
PEQ Palestine Exploration Quarterly
PSBA Proceedings of the Society of Biblical Archaeology
RITA K.A. Kitchen, Ramesside Inscriptions Translated and Annotated: Notes
and Comments 7 Volumes (Oxford: Blackwell, 1993-).
RB Adriaan de Buck, Egyptian Readingbook (Leiden: Nederlands
Instituut voor het Nabije Oosten, 1970 - 3rd edition).
RSV Revised Standard Version
RV Revised Version
SAK Studien zur Alt�gyptischen Kultur
SJOT Scandanavian Journal of Old Testament
TB Tyndale Bulletin (Cambridge)
TDOT Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament (Eds. G.J. Botterweck &
Helmer Ringgren; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974-)
TLZ Theologische Zeitschrift
Urk. I Kurt Sethe, Urkunden des Alten Reich (Leipzig:
Hinrichs'sche, 1933)
Urk. IV Kurt Sethe, Urkunden der 18. Dynastie 4 volumes (Berlin:
Akademie-Verlag,1961).
VA Varia Aegyptiaca (San Antonio)
VT Vetus Testamentum
VTS Vetus Testamentum Supplements
Wb Adolf Erman & Hermann Grapow, W�rterbuch der �gyptischen Sprache 5
volumes (Leipzig: J.C. Hinrichs'sche, 1926-1931).
Z�S Zeitschrift f�r �gyptische Sprache und Altertumskunde
ZAW Zeitschrift fur die Alttestamentliche Wissenschaft
ZDPV Zeitschrift des deutschen Pal�stina-Vereins
> And like I said,if you refuse to see the truth ,because you are
You haven't said anything worth noticing or listening to yet.
The truth according to you, or reality 101. There is a striking
difference, one so striking that science does not even bother to deal
with your version of the truth.
> brainwashed or because it is easier to remain ignorant and
The man is not a xian, nor is it as I can tell, a follower of one of the
revealed gods of the desert. That would include the original, �l, and his
two redheaded stepchildren. Xianity Islam.
> irresponsible ,so that you can remain in your sin and fallen state
Sin? What mark have you given for him to miss? Are you attempting to use
the so-called religious term universally? If so, you have missed the
mark. You see, you're doing your posturing from apparently, one of the
sports groups. The only thing sharing commonality among members of the
atheist newsgroup & those groups, is a weird affection for sports. Maybe
I am one of the few that do not have that affliction, but I recognize it
for what it is. Like religion, it's big business.
As to a fallen state, fallen from what? Your phobias are not binding on
the remainder of the human race. And that's a very good thing I should
not need to tell you.
> without changing your heart and mind and lifestyle ,then how sad for
I have no need to change my heart, it's working very well thank you just
the same. I'm not existing, and therefore do not need nor desire another
chance at life on this planet and a delay in the so-called afterlife
which is heaven for those that have a fear of this life.
> you.But perhaps some will investigate and be saved,even if you wish to
Child, I have investigated the gods of humanity for close to 60 years.
There's only one thing they have in common, they can all be wrong. He
considers over 25,000 of the critters, that's not a very good brag to
make in public. But of course maybe you have a different god in mind that
the remainder of humanity. It also can be wrong but according to your
claims, he cannot be right if it's the xian god. Of course, you cannot
accept that because you believe otherwise, but disbelieving in your gods
gives you a woody when you encounter it in real life and you go into the
thundering power in moral inferiority indignation mode. You can't help
it, the responses are Pavlovian, and come with the territory of a true
believer are you your to be pitied, but you have crawled into the atheist
newsgroup group and bark like a dog that needs food and water, and
expects filet mignon and the finest of wines. instead of the dry dog food
they get. Get used to it. As long as you do to posturing here, someone is
going to hand you your ass with regularity. And they are going to enjoy
it.
> remain ignorant ? Those who refuse to see the truth of the evidence
Evidence claimed is not the same as evidence provided. Wait, you have a
holy book, a series of writings attributed to authors that were long dead
at the time of their authorship, or quite possibly one very sick
individual during his lifetime, had he existed. It's unknown with any
degree of accuracy whether Saul, the founder of xianity, really existed.
We find nothing about him from anywhere else except xian writings. Now
supposedly, because it's a holy book, you accept Rama as being real as
well. Well of course you don't, because that's not your pet god. Why
should you be given consideration that you refuse to give others is a
question only you can answer. And please, do the public a courtesy, don't
answer publicly.
> that Christ provides are the ones who probably believe in things like
Christ, the anointed one? When did he arrive? I'm sure the Jews would
have noticed or they have a long list of failed Messiah's. And yet, his
name is conspicuously absent in only to be found in the Greek Testaments.
What's that you say, what about all those supposedly contemporary authors
that mention him. Well no, they don't. They do mention Christians, but
are not contemporary in the first century when supposedly your man about
town was around. In fact, the whole story a recent fabrication and
misapplication of previous Hebrew Bible claims. The crucifixion, an aroma
law it could not have happened. If anything, he would have been stoned
for being a heretic, by the Jewish population. Crucifixion was not for
the ordinary criminal, that's what the mines were for. Along with various
other places where slaves were used. But of course that does not agree
with your myopic and limited understanding of your mythology, and frankly
I don't give a damn.
> the tooth fairy and darwin and Santa Claus,etc. Investigate,search and
> find the life boat or go down with the Titanic (the World and it's
The world isn't going anywhere without the intervention of people like
you within the next 5 billion years. And then it's going to go away. It's
going to be a rather spectacular finish if you are far away to watch and
not get burned. What's going to happen, the sun is going to go red giant
& then red dwarf and encompass the earth, and quite probably the
entire solar system in an envelope of expanding gases that will strip
away all atmosphere as well as surface material. That material, will go
into the universe at large where eventually, it will be recycled into new
solar systems. Quite possibly, systems are entirely unlike ours, less
likely, systems very close to ours. But for that, you need the
information astronomy, a discipline as well as a science, can provide and
I am not an astronomer. I could even be wrong about the sequence, for I
do not follow astronomy. But gods, and people like you that like to
pretend to be able to make god claims, then I have a mild interest.
How do you define your god? Big daddy in the sky, the source of all
instant gratification? It sounds like it. You know more understand your
mythology than I understand quantum physics.
> brainwashed ignorance).And as I said,I will pray for you as you attack
> and hate me (and Christ).
Nobody's attacking you or your pet god, and hatred, well I suppose you
need to get your martyr points somewhere & claiming hatred where there is
none, is as good a way as any. You're not worthy of hate, and your
Christ, why would I hate your pet?
walksalone and had wondered how long it was going to take some bleater to
try and whizz all over what could have been a fun thread, and now I know.
By the way, should you respond to this, you will have removed any doubt
of the fact that your IT can control the atheist newsgroup because,
you're going where you belong, the trash file. What does it mean to
everybody but you, I will not even see your name let alone your drivel.
Bye-bye ,flush.
Ok, you win. You proved that your god is the best there ever was at hid
n' seek.
Now, trot him out here so that we can give him his reward.
--Dan Ceppa
It's been 5,000 years TCDun and there is not evidence of god(s) after
thousands of scientific experiments. In your belief syste could it be
you who are confused?
"Religion is poison" --Mao Tse Tung
Communism is sciencetific
> On Jul 4, 6:41�am, walksalone <spamstop...@nerdshack.com> wrote:
>> "tcdun" <tc...@charter.net> wrote
>> innews:9FH3m.13226$9E7....@newsfe20.ia
> d:
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>> > "Tim McGaughy" <tee...@toast.net> wrote in message
>> >news:_qSdnbcVGsH5ItDX...@posted.toastnet...
>> >> tcdun wrote:
>> >>>www.christiananswers.net
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>> >>>http://members.cox.net/wwcw/
snip, each, one for use the humanity of bandwidth, or sumthin like dat.
>> Nobody's attacking you or your pet god, and hatred, well I suppose
>> you need to get your martyr points somewhere & claiming hatred where
>> there is none, is as good a way as any. You're not worthy of hate,
>> and your Christ, why would I hate your pet?
>>
>> walksalone and had wondered how long it was going to take some
>> bleater to try and whizz all over what could have been a fun thread,
>> and now I know.
>>
>> By the way, should you respond to this, you will have removed any
>> doubt of the fact that your IT can control the atheist newsgroup
>> because, you're going where you belong, the trash file. What does it
>> mean to everybody but you, I will not even see your name let alone
>> your drivel.
>>
>> Bye-bye ,flush.
>>
>> Ok, you win. You proved that your god is the best there ever was at
>> hid n' seek.
>> Now, trot him out here so that we can give him his reward.
>> --Dan Ceppa
>
> "Religion is poison" --Mao Tse Tung
> Communism is sciencetific
A small favor & request on behalf of myself & other readers. When I get
long winded like that, & you respond, can you remove any text you are not
responding to? I, & I'm almost certain, others would appreciate that.
walksalone who does not snip nor set followups as often as he should, &
knows it.
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the
system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Claire Wolfe
I'm sorry, but if you haven't accepted the Tooth Fairy as your lord and
savior, it is you who have a closed mind.
> Real Science investigates all possibilities.
Yes. If you have evidence for Jesus or God, trot it out. Let's look at it.
> And as I said,I will pray for you
And as I said, I will think for you.