Re: Jason Reckons He Knows The Mind Of God

Free Lunch

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Mar 20, 2012, 8:53:11 PM3/20/12

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<Jason-19031...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:
>In article <8qnfm7pqvbb73vbdr...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:02:51 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> <Jason-18031...@66-53-213-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:
>> >In article <49sbm79s3gs0pbah9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>> ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:44:10 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>> >> alt.talk.creationism:
>> >>
>> >> >In article
>> >> ><34ebb135-b533-4022...@d17g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> >Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Mar 18, 7:44=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >> >> > In article <kuv8m7her18jkgt760d189v2fnj5mn1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
>> >> >> > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >> >> > > You preach silly lies. You refuse to learn anything. I cannot
>see how
>> >> >> > > you can claim to be Christian.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I read that book about a dozen years ago and did not notice any lies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You also failed to see the Gish Gallop and his other underhand tactics
>> >> >> at the "debate" you attended so plus ca change.
>> >> >
>> >> >I did not see Gish galloping :-))
>> >> >
>> >> Once again, you show us how much of a dishonest fool you have chosen to
>> >> be. Gish was noted for his dishonesty and refusal to respond to valid
>> >> questions and complaints about false claims he made during what were
>> >> supposed to be debates. Gish did not debate. He told lies and then
>> >> ignored all responses that showed that he was indeed lying, finding new
>> >> lies to tell. You have told us that you were too ignorant about the
>> >> subject to realize that Gish was lying at those "debates" and that you
>> >> thought that he "won".
>> >
>> >Yes, it did appear to me that Gish won that debate since the college
>> >professor lost his temper and ended up making a fool of himself.
>>
>> Gish lied repeatedly. He was an immoral fraud who spent the entire time
>> misrepresenting facts and ignoring real questions. You have to be a fan
>> of evil to think that Gish won.
>>
>> >One poster told me that he attended another debate and that professor was far
>> >better prepared for the debate since he had attended another of Gish's
>> >debates that he had with a different professor. As a result, he told me
>> >that Gish lost that debate. That professor did not lose his temper.
>> >
>> Clearly you have no idea what winning a debate is. You think that Gish
>> won because he told so many lies and you are too ignorant to have any
>> idea how many lies he told. Why do you worship Gish's lies?
>
>Unless you attented the same debate that I attended, you do NOT know if
>Gish lied or told the truth.
>
Gish had a long history of lying in everything he did. If he did not lie
in the "debate" you were at, he would not have been defending the false
religious doctrines that you keep preaching to us.

Did he admit that evolution is supported by evidence, that his doctrines
have no supporting evidence, that he has had a history of lying about
science? If not, he lied at that "debate". He got paid to lie. He earned
his money by telling a lot of lies that ignorant Christians would be
easily persuaded to believe. You have repeatedly shown us how Gish
victimized you.

Jason

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Mar 21, 2012, 2:26:28 AM3/21/12

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In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

I did not notice any lies. I did notice when the college professor lost
his temper and made a fool of himself.

Devils Advocaat

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Mar 21, 2012, 2:37:25 AM3/21/12

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On Mar 21, 6:26 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g4ikaaieck38gq5...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

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> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > <Jason-1903122159520...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:
> > >In article <8qnfm7pqvbb73vbdr0j1a9ccv16mcr4...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> > ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:02:51 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > >> <Jason-1803121802510...@66-53-213-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:
> > >> >In article <49sbm79s3gs0pbah960qk28vjtslsps...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> > >> ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > >> >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:44:10 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >> >> alt.talk.creationism:
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> > >> >> >In article

> > >> >> ><34ebb135-b533-4022-aea0-abbd7b60f...@d17g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

These debates of which you speak, when and where did they occur?

Jason

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Mar 21, 2012, 3:42:10 AM3/21/12

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In article
<f0e82e2a-dd7b-4b44...@gr6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 21, 6:26=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g4ikaaieck38gq5...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
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> > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > <Jason-1903122159520...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:
> > > >In article <8qnfm7pqvbb73vbdr0j1a9ccv16mcr4...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> > > ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >
> > > >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:02:51 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > >> <Jason-1803121802510...@66-53-213-83.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:
> > > >> >In article <49sbm79s3gs0pbah960qk28vjtslsps...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> > > >> ><lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >

> > > >> >> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:44:10 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrot=
> e in
> > > >> >> alt.talk.creationism:
> >
> > > >> >> >In article
> > > >> >> ><34ebb135-b533-4022-aea0-abbd7b60f...@d17g2000vba.googlegroups.c=

> om>,
> > > >> >> >Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >

> > > >> >> >> On Mar 18, 7:44=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > In article <kuv8m7her18jkgt760d189v2fnj5mn1...@4ax.com>, Fre=

> e Lunch
> > > >> >> >> > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > >> >> ...

> > > >> >> >> > > You preach silly lies. You refuse to learn anything. I can=

> not
> > > >see how
> > > >> >> >> > > you can claim to be Christian.
> >
> > > >> >> >> > I read that book about a dozen years ago and did not notice
> > any lies.
> >
> > > >> >> >> You also failed to see the Gish Gallop and his other underhand
> > tactics
> > > >> >> >> at the "debate" you attended so plus ca change.
> >
> > > >> >> >I did not see Gish galloping :-))
> >

> > > >> >> Once again, you show us how much of a dishonest fool you have cho=
> sen to
> > > >> >> be. Gish was noted for his dishonesty and refusal to respond to v=
> alid
> > > >> >> questions and complaints about false claims he made during what w=
> ere
> > > >> >> supposed to be debates. Gish did not debate. He told lies and the=
> n
> > > >> >> ignored all responses that showed that he was indeed lying, findi=
> ng new
> > > >> >> lies to tell. You have told us that you were too ignorant about t=
> he
> > > >> >> subject to realize that Gish was lying at those "debates" and tha=

> t you
> > > >> >> thought that he "won".
> >

> > > >> >Yes, it did appear to me that Gish won that debate since the colleg=

> e
> > > >> >professor lost his temper and ended up making a fool of himself.
> >

> > > >> Gish lied repeatedly. He was an immoral fraud who spent the entire t=
> ime
> > > >> misrepresenting facts and ignoring real questions. You have to be a =

> fan
> > > >> of evil to think that Gish won.
> >
> > > >> >One poster told me that he attended another debate and that
> > professor was far

> > > >> >better prepared for the debate since he had attended another of Gis=
> h's
> > > >> >debates that he had with a different professor. As a result, he tol=

> d me
> > > >> >that Gish lost that debate. That professor did not lose his temper.
> >

> > > >> Clearly you have no idea what winning a debate is. You think that Gi=
> sh
> > > >> won because he told so many lies and you are too ignorant to have an=

> y
> > > >> idea how many lies he told. Why do you worship Gish's lies?
> >

> > > >Unless you attented the same debate that I attended, you do NOT know i=

> f
> > > >Gish lied or told the truth.
> >

> > > Gish had a long history of lying in everything he did. If he did not li=

> e
> > > in the "debate" you were at, he would not have been defending the false
> > > religious doctrines that you keep preaching to us.
> >

> > > Did he admit that evolution is supported by evidence, that his doctrine=

> s
> > > have no supporting evidence, that he has had a history of lying about

> > > science? If not, he lied at that "debate". He got paid to lie. He earne=

> d
> > > his money by telling a lot of lies that ignorant Christians would be
> > > easily persuaded to believe. You have repeatedly shown us how Gish
> > > victimized you.
> >
> > I did not notice any lies. I did notice when the college professor lost
> > his temper and made a fool of himself.
>
> These debates of which you speak, when and where did they occur?

Californian Poly. State Univ. in San Luis Obispo. I don't remember the
year but it was probably in the 1990's. I believe the name of the
professor was Patrick McKim. I visited him in his office prior to the
debate and we ended up in a debate. He easily beat me since he kept
mentioning ancient life forms that I knew nothing about such as
archaeoraptor.

http://www.icr.org/article/archaeoraptor-featured-dinosaur-from-national-geog/Articles

David Fritzinger

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Mar 21, 2012, 6:34:35 AM3/21/12

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In article
<Jason-20031...@67-150-126-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > <Jason-19031...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

[snip]

> > >Unless you attented the same debate that I attended, you do NOT know if
> > >Gish lied or told the truth.
> > >
> > Gish had a long history of lying in everything he did. If he did not lie
> > in the "debate" you were at, he would not have been defending the false
> > religious doctrines that you keep preaching to us.
> >
> > Did he admit that evolution is supported by evidence, that his doctrines
> > have no supporting evidence, that he has had a history of lying about
> > science? If not, he lied at that "debate". He got paid to lie. He earned
> > his money by telling a lot of lies that ignorant Christians would be
> > easily persuaded to believe. You have repeatedly shown us how Gish
> > victimized you.
>
> I did not notice any lies. I did notice when the college professor lost
> his temper and made a fool of himself.

I have shown you a reference for Gish's lies, yesterday.

Free Lunch

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Mar 21, 2012, 6:26:47 PM3/21/12

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:26:28 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<Jason-20031...@67-150-126-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

As I said, you are too ignorant about science to have any idea when Gish
was lying and you have made it clear here that you do not care that Gish
lies to you and you swallow his lies.

Jason

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Mar 21, 2012, 6:55:05 PM3/21/12

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In article <dfritzin-7435B1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

That does not mean he told lies at every debate.

David Fritzinger

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Mar 21, 2012, 6:57:22 PM3/21/12

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In article
<Jason-21031...@67-150-121-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

If you had read the source, you would see that he repeated lies even
after they were shown to be lies. He did nothing but lie during the
debates. That much is certain.

Free Lunch

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Mar 21, 2012, 8:32:15 PM3/21/12

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:55:05 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<Jason-21031...@67-150-121-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

Given his long track record of lying, you will have to provide evidence
that there was even one debate at which Gish did not repeatedly lie. I
am confident that you cannot provide any evidence that Gish was ever
honest in this role.

ala

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Mar 21, 2012, 9:54:59 PM3/21/12

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"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message

>>
> Given his long track record of lying, you will have to provide evidence
> that there was even one debate at which Gish did not repeatedly lie. I
> am confident that you cannot provide any evidence that Gish was ever
> honest in this role.

if someone asked me that question, I would make up stuff about what he made
up

Jason

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Mar 22, 2012, 12:42:47 AM3/22/12

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In article <dfritzin-68A8F0...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I did not hear him tell any lies.

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 22, 2012, 2:29:22 AM3/22/12

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In article
<Jason-21031...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Yes, you did.

The fact that you didn't recognize them as lies, due to your willful
ignorance, does not mean they were not lies.

--
JD

"the lybian lier"

Jason

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Mar 22, 2012, 3:07:10 AM3/22/12

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In article <hlwdjsd-2F048C...@5ad64b5e.bb.sky.com>, Jeanne

Good point.

David Fritzinger

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Mar 22, 2012, 6:34:21 AM3/22/12

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In article
<Jason-21031...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

That is because you believe the lies he tells. Just because you are a
credulous fool doesn't mean that Gish doesn't lie. I have shown evidence
that lies are about all he tells. Why don't you provide some evidence of
true facts provided by Gish if you think he doesn't lie?

Jason

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Mar 22, 2012, 1:06:33 PM3/22/12

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In article <dfritzin-0856AD...@news.eternal-september.org>,

It would not be an interesting project so I will not do it.

Devils Advocaat

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Mar 22, 2012, 1:40:18 PM3/22/12

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On Mar 22, 5:06 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-0856AD.06342022032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
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> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-2103122042470...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-68A8F0.18572221032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-2103121455060...@67-150-121-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-7435B1.06343321032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <Jason-2003122226280...@67-150-126-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g4ikaaieck38gq5...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> > > > > > > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > > > > > > <Jason-1903122159520...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

Don't you want to prove Gish was telling the truth?

Caranx latus

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Mar 22, 2012, 2:34:02 PM3/22/12

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That's nearly the *last* thing that Jason wants to do. The status quo
gives him the opportunity to believe what he wants without having to
mess around with such unsavory things as intellectual honesty and
truth.

Jason

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Mar 22, 2012, 3:27:12 PM3/22/12

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In article
<9783c282-662f-4c86...@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 22, 5:06=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-0856AD.06342022032...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
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> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-2103122042470...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-68A8F0.18572221032...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-2103121455060...@67-150-121-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7435B1.06343321032...@news.eternal-september=

> .org>,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-2003122226280...@67-150-126-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g4ikaaieck38gq5...@4ax.com>, Free=

> Lunch
> > > > > > > > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > > > > > > > <Jason-1903122159520...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>=
> :
> > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > > >Unless you attented the same debate that I attended, you d=

> o NOT
> > > > know if
> > > > > > > > > >Gish lied or told the truth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > Gish had a long history of lying in everything he did. If h=
> e did
> > > > not lie
> > > > > > > > > in the "debate" you were at, he would not have been defendi=

> ng
> > > > the false
> > > > > > > > > religious doctrines that you keep preaching to us.
> >

> > > > > > > > > Did he admit that evolution is supported by evidence, that =
> his
> > > > doctrines
> > > > > > > > > have no supporting evidence, that he has had a history of l=
> ying
> > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > science? If not, he lied at that "debate". He got paid to l=
> ie.
> > > > He earned
> > > > > > > > > his money by telling a lot of lies that ignorant Christians=
> would
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > easily persuaded to believe. You have repeatedly shown us h=
> ow Gish
> > > > > > > > > victimized you.
> >
> > > > > > > > I did not notice any lies. I did notice when the college prof=

> essor
> > > > > > > > lost
> > > > > > > > his temper and made a fool of himself.
> >
> > > > > > > I have shown you a reference for Gish's lies, yesterday.
> >
> > > > > > That does not mean he told lies at every debate.
> >

> > > > > If you had read the source, you would see that he repeated lies eve=

> n
> > > > > after they were shown to be lies. He did nothing but lie during the
> > > > > debates. That much is certain.
> >
> > > > I did not hear him tell any lies.
> >
> > > That is because you believe the lies he tells. Just because you are a

> > > credulous fool doesn't mean that Gish doesn't lie. I have shown evidenc=
> e
> > > that lies are about all he tells. Why don't you provide some evidence o=

> f
> > > true facts provided by Gish if you think he doesn't lie?
> >
> > It would not be an interesting project so I will not do it.
>
> Don't you want to prove Gish was telling the truth?

Gish has now retired so I don't care if he did or did not tell any lies
during his debates. I have been accused of lying many times. In most of
those cases, I believed what I stated but it turned out that I was wrong
about what I stated. In other cases, it was NOT lies but instead was based
on my various points of view. For example, when I state that Noah's Flood
did happen, that is not a lie--it's my point of view. That means I don't
believe that Gish told any intentional lies.

Caranx latus

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Mar 22, 2012, 3:32:20 PM3/22/12

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On Mar 22, 3:27 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <9783c282-662f-4c86-a9bc-ebb5cb5be...@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,

It may not be a lie, Jason but, given the evidence we have to date, it
is untrue.

> That means I don't
> believe that Gish told any intentional lies.

He was corrected on many occasions. At a minimum, being corrected
would lead a reasonable person to investigate the material on which he
was corrected more thoroughly. Gish showed no sign of having done so.
He simply went right along repeating the same easily refuted claims.
Continuing to repeat a claim that has been corrected is intentional
and is therefore lying.

Jason

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Mar 22, 2012, 3:54:03 PM3/22/12

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In article
<73cbcf1c-7d27-4e7a...@a5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Caranx
latus <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 22, 3:27=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <9783c282-662f-4c86-a9bc-ebb5cb5be...@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Mar 22, 5:06=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-0856AD.06342022032...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-2103122042470...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-68A8F0.18572221032...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D

> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-2103121455060...@67-150-121-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7435B1.06343321032...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D

> > > .org>,
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <Jason-2003122226280...@67-150-126-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> m>,
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g4ikaaieck38gq5...@4ax.com>, =
> Free=3D
> > > =A0Lunch
> > > > > > > > > > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creatio=
> nism
> > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > <Jason-1903122159520...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> com>=3D
> > > :
> > > > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > > > > >Unless you attented the same debate that I attended, y=
> ou d=3D

> > > o NOT
> > > > > > know if
> > > > > > > > > > > >Gish lied or told the truth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Gish had a long history of lying in everything he did. =
> If h=3D
> > > e did
> > > > > > not lie
> > > > > > > > > > > in the "debate" you were at, he would not have been def=
> endi=3D

> > > ng
> > > > > > the false
> > > > > > > > > > > religious doctrines that you keep preaching to us.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Did he admit that evolution is supported by evidence, t=
> hat =3D
> > > his
> > > > > > doctrines
> > > > > > > > > > > have no supporting evidence, that he has had a history =
> of l=3D
> > > ying
> > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > science? If not, he lied at that "debate". He got paid =
> to l=3D
> > > ie.
> > > > > > He earned
> > > > > > > > > > > his money by telling a lot of lies that ignorant Christ=
> ians=3D
> > > =A0would
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > easily persuaded to believe. You have repeatedly shown =
> us h=3D
> > > ow Gish
> > > > > > > > > > > victimized you.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > I did not notice any lies. I did notice when the college =
> prof=3D

> > > essor
> > > > > > > > > > lost
> > > > > > > > > > his temper and made a fool of himself.
> >
> > > > > > > > > I have shown you a reference for Gish's lies, yesterday.
> >
> > > > > > > > That does not mean he told lies at every debate.
> >

> > > > > > > If you had read the source, you would see that he repeated lies=
> eve=3D
> > > n
> > > > > > > after they were shown to be lies. He did nothing but lie during=

> the
> > > > > > > debates. That much is certain.
> >
> > > > > > I did not hear him tell any lies.
> >

> > > > > That is because you believe the lies he tells. Just because you are=
> a
> > > > > credulous fool doesn't mean that Gish doesn't lie. I have shown evi=
> denc=3D
> > > e
> > > > > that lies are about all he tells. Why don't you provide some eviden=
> ce o=3D

> > > f
> > > > > true facts provided by Gish if you think he doesn't lie?
> >
> > > > It would not be an interesting project so I will not do it.
> >
> > > Don't you want to prove Gish was telling the truth?
> >
> > Gish has now retired so I don't care if he did or did not tell any lies
> > during his debates. I have been accused of lying many times. In most of
> > those cases, I believed what I stated but it turned out that I was wrong

> > about what I stated. In other cases, it was NOT lies but instead was base=

> d
> > on my various points of view. For example, when I state that Noah's Flood
> > did happen, that is not a lie--it's my point of view.
>
> It may not be a lie, Jason but, given the evidence we have to date, it
> is untrue.
>
> > That means I don't
> > believe that Gish told any intentional lies.
>
> He was corrected on many occasions. At a minimum, being corrected
> would lead a reasonable person to investigate the material on which he
> was corrected more thoroughly. Gish showed no sign of having done so.
> He simply went right along repeating the same easily refuted claims.
> Continuing to repeat a claim that has been corrected is intentional
> and is therefore lying.

He may have believed he was correct so ignored what people told him so
kept repeating the incorrect statement.

Caranx latus

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Mar 22, 2012, 4:05:03 PM3/22/12

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On Mar 22, 3:54 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <73cbcf1c-7d27-4e7a-b175-f12a36b92...@a5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Caranx

The word for that is 'arrogance.'

David Fritzinger

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Mar 22, 2012, 5:52:12 PM3/22/12

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In article
<Jason-22031...@66-53-214-216.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-0856AD...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> > > > If you had read the source, you would see that he repeated lies even
> > > > after they were shown to be lies. He did nothing but lie during the
> > > > debates. That much is certain.
> > >
> > > I did not hear him tell any lies.
> >
> > That is because you believe the lies he tells. Just because you are a
> > credulous fool doesn't mean that Gish doesn't lie. I have shown evidence
> > that lies are about all he tells. Why don't you provide some evidence of
> > true facts provided by Gish if you think he doesn't lie?
>
> It would not be an interesting project so I will not do it.

IOW, you are afraid to try (knowing you won't find any truth told by
Gish). I don't blame you for being afraid, but you really should face
the fact that Gish is a serial liar.

David Fritzinger

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Mar 22, 2012, 5:54:19 PM3/22/12

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In article
<Jason-22031...@66-53-209-139.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You really are a credulous fool. He was told many times that he was
telling lies, and evidence was produced to demonstrate the lies he told.
He continued to tell the same lies, figuring he could get away by lying
to a different audience.

Free Lunch

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Mar 22, 2012, 6:27:18 PM3/22/12

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:42:47 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<Jason-21031...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

You did, but you make excuses for him and for the lies he told. You even
repeat the lies he told and have been informed that you are repeating
lies. That never seems to bother you. You repeat the lies again and
again, completely without any concern about how many lies you tell.

Free Lunch

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Mar 22, 2012, 6:27:49 PM3/22/12

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:06:33 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<Jason-22031...@66-53-214-216.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

You would discover that Gish really was a flat-out liar.

Free Lunch

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Mar 22, 2012, 6:31:54 PM3/22/12

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:27:12 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<Jason-22031...@66-53-209-139.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

You have repeated many lies many times. The facts show that you were
corrected on falsehoods that you repeated and that you refused to
correct yourself after the false statements were pointed out to you and
explained to you. You have lied many times.

>In most of
>those cases, I believed what I stated but it turned out that I was wrong
>about what I stated. In other cases, it was NOT lies but instead was based
>on my various points of view.

It does not matter how many points of view you take. Reality always
trumps delusion.

>For example, when I state that Noah's Flood
>did happen, that is not a lie--it's my point of view.

It is a matter of fact -- proven by the evidence -- that Noah's Flood
never happened. Your point of view is wrong. Unquestionably wrong. Deal
with reality. Deal with facts. You are repeating falsehoods and you have
absolutely no excuse for preaching this falsehood.

>That means I don't believe that Gish told any intentional lies.

Gish knew that the Flood never happened. He knew he was lying about his
claims. You have deluded yourself about the Flood. You refuse to let
yourself learn or repent of the false teachings you preach to us.

Free Lunch

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Mar 22, 2012, 6:33:12 PM3/22/12

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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:54:03 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
<Jason-22031...@66-53-209-139.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

>In article
><73cbcf1c-7d27-4e7a...@a5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Caranx
>latus <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 22, 3:27=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

...

>> > Gish has now retired so I don't care if he did or did not tell any lies
>> > during his debates. I have been accused of lying many times. In most of
>> > those cases, I believed what I stated but it turned out that I was wrong

>> > about what I stated. In other cases, it was NOT lies but instead was based

>> > on my various points of view. For example, when I state that Noah's Flood
>> > did happen, that is not a lie--it's my point of view.
>>
>> It may not be a lie, Jason but, given the evidence we have to date, it
>> is untrue.
>>
>> > That means I don't
>> > believe that Gish told any intentional lies.
>>
>> He was corrected on many occasions. At a minimum, being corrected
>> would lead a reasonable person to investigate the material on which he
>> was corrected more thoroughly. Gish showed no sign of having done so.
>> He simply went right along repeating the same easily refuted claims.
>> Continuing to repeat a claim that has been corrected is intentional
>> and is therefore lying.
>
>He may have believed he was correct so ignored what people told him so
>kept repeating the incorrect statement.
>

He was well enough educated that he knew he was running a con on rubes
like you. You deny it, but you know that Gish was just a liar making
money preaching lies to people like you.

Jeanne Douglas

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Mar 22, 2012, 6:42:14 PM3/22/12

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On Mar 22, 12:27 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <9783c282-662f-4c86-a9bc-ebb5cb5be...@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,

That's a lie. It has been PROVEN that it never happened, with FACT.
For you to continue to believe something impossible happened even
after having it proven impossible IS lying. Point of view is
completely irrelevant; the only thing that counts is reality.

JD

Devils Advocaat

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Mar 22, 2012, 7:29:20 PM3/22/12

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On Mar 22, 7:54 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <73cbcf1c-7d27-4e7a-b175-f12a36b92...@a5g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Caranx

Scenario:

I say something believing it to be true.

Evidence is presented that shows it isn't.

I continue to say that thing is true.

In the first place my position could be one of ignorance.

But in the second place I am lying.

Would you agree Jason?

ala

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Mar 22, 2012, 7:47:31 PM3/22/12

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"Caranx latus" <aug....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3c6cf18f-4205-44d9...@v22g2000vby.googlegroups.com...

>That's nearly the *last* thing that Jason wants to do. The status quo
>gives him the opportunity to believe what he wants without having to
>mess around with such unsavory things as intellectual honesty and
>truth.

i enjoyed getting it but what do you say besides qyoot

SkyEyes

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Mar 23, 2012, 12:51:11 AM3/23/12

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On Mar 22, 10:06 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-0856AD.06342022032...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-2103122042470...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-68A8F0.18572221032...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article

> > > > <Jason-2103121455060...@67-150-121-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-7435B1.06343321032...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article

> > > > > > <Jason-2003122226280...@67-150-126-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g4ikaaieck38gq5...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

> > > > > > > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
> > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > > > > > > <Jason-1903122159520...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>:

Wow. What a gargatuan (and totally transparent) cop-out.

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight of the Golden Litterbox
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SkyEyes

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Mar 23, 2012, 12:52:22 AM3/23/12

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On Mar 22, 12:27 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <9783c282-662f-4c86-a9bc-ebb5cb5be...@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,

How do you square the fact that your "point of view" runs contrary to
the facts?

Devils Advocaat

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Mar 23, 2012, 1:43:29 AM3/23/12

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Which makes me wonder why Jason is so scared.

Jason

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Mar 23, 2012, 2:30:59 AM3/23/12

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In article
<ca2bb3e8-95e8-4daf...@v22g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mar 22, 12:27=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <9783c282-662f-4c86-a9bc-ebb5cb5be...@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Mar 22, 5:06=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-0856AD.06342022032...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-2103122042470...@67-150-125-186.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-68A8F0.18572221032...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D

> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-2103121455060...@67-150-121-145.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7435B1.06343321032...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D

> > > .org>,
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <Jason-2003122226280...@67-150-126-219.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> m>,
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article <1f9im7dgg8ron492g4ikaaieck38gq5...@4ax.com>, =
> Free=3D
> > > =A0Lunch

> > > > > > > > > > <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:52 -0800, in alt.talk.creatio=
> nism
> > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > <Jason-1903122159520...@66-53-213-73.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> com>=3D
> > > :

> > > > > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > > > > > > >Unless you attented the same debate that I attended, y=
> ou d=3D