3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
(Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
(1) ATHEISTS
Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
respectable as that of any other one in the world. Some of
the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of the worst
tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and Stalin) were
such as a RESULT of being atheistic. In reality, though, the
tyrants simply were misusing atheism by claiming that no
power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or the STATE.
(2) EVOLUTION
...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
evolutionary process.
(3) ABORTION
This is one of the world's GREATEST, most successful,
in terms of efficacy and safety, REMEDIES. It enables no
fewer than a BILLION (with a "B") girls and women over
any given modern-day 18-year-long period, worldwide, to
UNDO an unwanted medical condition that had the potential
to WRECK their futures, and destroy countless of their
future opportunities. It simply resets the clock, and males
it as though the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened.
The IRRATIONAL opponents of this harmless and hugely-
BENEFICIAL remedy like to pretend (and LIE) that mere
RPEs (reproductive-process entities) equate in ANY mean-
ingful way to already-born PEOPLE. They don't. Not even
remotely. Any more than cake batter and acorns, which
have the same "ingredients" even remotely are the equiv-
alent of cakes or oak trees. Bigots who oppose abortion
are among the world's MOST hateful and ignorant louts,
because they seek to FORCE girls and women to gestate
UNwanted pregnancies to term at the expense of count-
less of their future life options, for NO good reason. Girls
and women should always ask THIS question about such
obnoxious losers: "What do YOU have to lose in the course
of forcing US to wreck our futures?" Anti-Choice bigots are
some of the world's MOST irrational and hateful people.
Fortunately for tens of millions of American girls and women,
the benevolent "Roe vs. Wade" decision by the Supreme
Court in 1973 was the greatest single act of EMANCIPA-
in history since Lincoln freed the slaves!
(4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Could there POSSIBLY be *anything* more HARMLESS
than that? FACT: *NO* facts even EXIST that make a
valid argument for EXCLUDING same-sex couples from
marrying. For example, there is NO requirement for ANY
couple to either procreate, or declare any intention of
having kids. And MILLIONS of opposite-sex married
couples have CHOSEN *not* to! I have yet to see ANY
of the anti-SSM bigots WHINING about THAT! (And it is
a very interesting fact that millions of gay singles and
couples, whether married or not, have decided TO have
and raise children via the MANY legal ways by which they
can obtain them. As can be readily seen by going HERE:
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Millions-have-kids.html.
The most ludicrous LIE that the bigots so desperately
pursue is the specious notion that same-sex marriage
can in ANY way be damaging to opposite-sex marriage.
It flat-out CANNOT. And that makes the so-called
"Defense of Marriage" measures that Congress and
many states have passed proof positive that P.T.
Barnum was right! Fortunately, SO was Lincoln, who
said that one can't fool all of the people all of the time,
and thus, ALL of those hatefully-exclusionary laws will
SURELY end up in history's boneyard before much
longer. JUST as it was utterly STUPID to exclude inter-
racial couples from marriage prior to 1967 -- it is every
bit as irrational and MORONIC to exclude same-sex
couples from marrying today. And society is FAST
learning that, and SOON will throw the hateful and
ignorant bigots under the bus once and for all. Just
look at the wonderful PROGRESS California has been
making, without most of the bigots even realizing it!
California is right on the verge of lowering the boom
on those pathetic losers once and for all !! --
Wayne
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Chris
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>
> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>
> (1) ATHEISTS
>
> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
> respectable as that of any other one in the world. Some of
> the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of the worst
> tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and Stalin) were
> such as a RESULT of being atheistic. In reality, though, the
> tyrants simply were misusing atheism by claiming that no
> power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or the STATE.
>
> (2) EVOLUTION
>
> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
> 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
> whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
> make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
> tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
> of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
> that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
> universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
> simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
> evolutionary process.
During the first billion years God creates light
During the second billion years He divides the waters above from the waters
below
During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
Genesis 1:1-2:4
And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman marriage. Never
has been, is not now, and never will be.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:
And one MORE for good measure:
Pastor Dave
> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) wrote:
>
>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>
>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>
>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>
>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
>> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
>> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian promote
the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
"The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
Psalm 14:1a
>> Some of the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of
>> the worst tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and
>> Stalin) were such as a RESULT of being atheistic.
They were, according to those men themselves. The did
not have faith in God and they believed in an accidental
creation of the world and in evolution and of course, that
those that they didn't like, were lower on the evolutionary
tree of life.
Of course, there is the propaganda that these men were
Christians (especially Hitler), but in reality, they weren't
and anyone who has studied the actual history, will know
that to be the case.
>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>
>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
>> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
>> 4-light-year-long columns.
This is a lie and one that Craig is proud to tell! There is
no proof for macroevolution and it does directly conflict
with the Bible, since it says that man evolved from ape
and that Jesus was nothing more than a made over
monkey. It also means that man was not made in
the image of God and is not the pinnacle of God's
creation, since if evolution is true, then it is not done
and that means that man will evolve into something
else, non-human and therefore, the Bible is a lie and
guess what? That means that Jesus had no reason
to be here, since man is not the end of the road for
evolution anyway.
So how can the Bible be true and evolution be true?
It simply cannot! And to quote a famous atheist...
"Evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason
Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary.
Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin and in the
rubble, you will find the sorry remains of the Son of
God. If Jesus was not the Redeemer... and this is
what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing."
- Richard Bozarth, Atheist
>> ABORTION
This one is too obvious and Craigey boy knows it!
> Good going...you named three harmless things.
No he didn't. They are all quite harmful and have
proved themselves to be so. Craig simply ignores
whatever he can't argue and pretends it never
happened. :)
--
Pastor Dave
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Why is that a problem?
thomas p.
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> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:46 -0800, "Wayne"
> <mygarb...@verizon.net> spake thusly:
>
>
>> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) wrote:
>>
>>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>>
>>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>>
>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>>
>>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
>>> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
>>> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>
> Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian promote
> the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
> in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
> respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
> claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
>
> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>
> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
> Psalm 14:1a
And a fool thinks that atheism is a belief system, and a number of liars
claim to think it.
snip of rest of more of the same.
Lefty
> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> wrote in
Shove your fairy tales up your humhole.
> And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
Until you popped up to stand in for him, eh?
So? It has to be exactly the same to be equally legally valid? In that
case, you must also have a problem with the legality of open marriage,
and inter-racial marriage, right, because they differ from the norm?
How about people who marry for money rather than love? How about
straight sexual deviants who marry?
Who set ~you~ up to decide whose marriage is legit and whose isn't?
Pastor Dave
spake thusly:
>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>
>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
>> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
>> 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
>> whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
>> make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
>> tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
>> of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
>> that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
>> universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
>> simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
>> evolutionary process.
>
>
>During the first billion years God creates light
>During the second billion years He divides the waters above from the waters
>below
>During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
>Genesis 1:1-2:4
>
>And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
No, sorry, that doesn't work and it's just you trying
to compromise with atheistic ideas, because you
have been fooled into thinking that macroevolution
is a fact of science. But it isn't.
Nor does evolution in any way possibly line up
with what the Bible says on the Creation!
Just three examples (there are obviously more)...
Contradiction between evolution and creation #1:
Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
before the Earth.
Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
before the Sun.
Contradiction between evolution and creation #2:
Using your "billions of years" scenario, which is
no more than the "Gap Theory", you run into
a serious problem, since your concept states,
as you just demonstrated, that time went by
between the days. However...
Fact: Plants require insects and the Sun to survive.
Fact: If billions of years went by, then plants could
not have survived, considering that they would
have been created billions of years before either
insects or the Sun was created and so no, the
argument that the "Light = the Sun" doesn't
work either, since you're still left with the problem
of the insects.
Contradiction between evolution and creation #3:
Fact: The idea of the Big Bang, etc., means that
evolution is being supported by its proponents,
since the Big Bang is part of evolutionary theory.
Fact: If evolution is true, then that means that man
was not created in God's image, because man
is not the end of evolution, because it is still
continuing and man will evolve into something
else and that means that the Bible is a lie and
so, when you claim to believe in evolution and
the Bible, you cannot be telling the truth.
You did not realize that there are six types of evolution,
because you just believed them, when people who pretend
that they know what they're talking about say it's true.
Nor are you even aware of the fact that these people are
only parroting what they saw on evolutionists web pages.
And rather than truly and seriously investigating this,
you simply couldn't be bothered! So instead, you then
parroted what others who also did nothing have said.
And what is it that they're saying? Whatever they think
will effectively make both true, so that they don't have
to stand up for God and His Christ, that the Scriptures
are 100% the truth. You couldn't be bothered with
doing that and with spending the time to find out
what the truth is. So instead, you were intimidated
by liars like these people, thinking that to contradict
them, is to contradict "science" and gee, we don't
want to look stupid, right? After all, it would be a
great crime to offend any atheist, right?! After all,
it is the atheists who hold the key to the truth, right?!
How about you stop letting people who know nothing
pretend they do and intimidate you! I have had many
arguments with evolutionists and one thing has always,
always, always held true! And that is that not one of
them has ever, not once, given an example of what
they claim happened! Not once! And that is because
it is a lie! And that is why they lie about whoever
demands proof from them and that is why all you
will ever see from them is:
1) Claims of macroevolution, with examples of microevolution,
when you ask for proof.
2) Claims that the word "macroevolution" was invented
by Creationists, when it was actually coined by an
evolutionist. And of course, now you will see a
changed definition for it, that makes it appear
to be microevolution.
3) Claims that they gave proof. Yea, right. Now ask
them to show you a reference to that message.
All you will see, is their demands that we prove
that it did "not" happen and attacks on others.
4) The demand that you prove that it could NOT
have happened. Or in another wording, that
you demonstrate what PREVENTS it from
happening. I.e., Prove a negative.
But what you will never, never, never see, is them
providing any proof that it did! And flowers from
flowers, et al, does not prove flowers from a rock!
Now of course they will quote long winded arguments
and reference web sites and you will feel dumb and
overwhelmed. But that is their intent! And what you
think, is that they actually understand what they pasted!
THEY DON'T!!! They just do it, because they know
you will be a frightened little boy who runs away!
I do understand the various sciences involved and
every single time I have challenged them on what
they pasted and to explain why they agree with
what they pasted in, they do one of three things:
1) Run away.
2) Attack me.
3) Paste something else in, which is proof that
all they have, is what they can paste, but
which they don't understand.
But hey, what a good Christian you are for just caving in
and believing what ignorant men tell you, over what God
says, right?!
After all, isn't the following in the Ten Commandments?
"Thou shalt not contradict what atheists tell you
and thou shalt bow to them, as if they know
more than I, the Lord God does."
So you can claim to be a Christian and then try to
argue with me, instead of acknowledging that what
I posted here are facts, thereby being a hypocrite.
Or you can be honest and acknowledge that what
I posted here are facts and then make a decision
as to which you choose to believe, which is solely
your business.
But the fact is, that you cannot be honest and claim
that you still believe both.
"Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should
have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore
your sin remaineth." - John 9:41
"If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had
not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin."
- John 15:22
Do what you want. It's your choice, son!
But to even give one second of even thinking that Craig
makes sense, when he claims to be a "true Christian"
and yet, says that the atheist belief system is just as
intelligent as any other, is simply flat out ridiculous!
--
Pastor Dave
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saintly. - Unknown
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:43:01 -0800, "Chris" <re...@juno.com>
>spake thusly:
>
>
>>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>>
>>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
>>> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
>>> 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
>>> whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
>>> make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
>>> tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
>>> of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
>>> that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
>>> universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
>>> simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
>>> evolutionary process.
>>
>>
>>During the first billion years God creates light
>>During the second billion years He divides the waters above from the waters
>>below
>>During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
>>Genesis 1:1-2:4
>>
>>And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
>
>No, sorry, that doesn't work and it's just you trying
>to compromise with atheistic ideas, because you
>have been fooled into thinking that macroevolution
>is a fact of science. But it isn't.
Evolution is a fact of reality. Your willingness to lie about that fact
does not change it.
>Nor does evolution in any way possibly line up
>with what the Bible says on the Creation!
That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>Just three examples (there are obviously more)...
>
>
>Contradiction between evolution and creation #1:
>
>Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
> before the Earth.
>
>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
> before the Sun.
The Bible was wrong.
>Contradiction between evolution and creation #2:
>
>Using your "billions of years" scenario, which is
>no more than the "Gap Theory", you run into
>a serious problem, since your concept states,
>as you just demonstrated, that time went by
>between the days. However...
>
>Fact: Plants require insects and the Sun to survive.
Not all plants require insects. A few do not require the sun.
>Fact: If billions of years went by, then plants could
> not have survived, considering that they would
> have been created billions of years before either
> insects or the Sun was created and so no, the
> argument that the "Light = the Sun" doesn't
> work either, since you're still left with the problem
> of the insects.
Your ignorance of the history of life on earth is noted.
>Contradiction between evolution and creation #3:
>
>Fact: The idea of the Big Bang, etc., means that
> evolution is being supported by its proponents,
> since the Big Bang is part of evolutionary theory.
The Big Bang is a cosmological theory from physics. It has nothing to do
with biological evolution.
>Fact: If evolution is true, then that means that man
> was not created in God's image, because man
> is not the end of evolution, because it is still
> continuing and man will evolve into something
> else and that means that the Bible is a lie and
> so, when you claim to believe in evolution and
> the Bible, you cannot be telling the truth.
There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that mankind was
created in God's image.
You teach lies and blame God for the lies you teach.
...
Calvin Ramsey
Then if it is a "fact of reality", you shouldn't have any problem
providing a proof for that assertion.
Your willingness to lie about that fact does not change it.
And if you don't provide the proof, then everyone will know that you are
the one lying.
>
>> Nor does evolution in any way possibly line up
>> with what the Bible says on the Creation!
>
> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
Then if it is "false doctrine", you shouldn't have any problem providing
a proof for that assertion either.
Unless, you're lying about it.
>
>> Just three examples (there are obviously more)...
>>
>>
>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #1:
>>
>> Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
>> before the Earth.
>>
>> Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>> before the Sun.
>
> The Bible was wrong.
Then if the Bible is wrong, you shouldn't have any problem providing a
proof for that assertion either.
Unless you're also lying about that.
>
>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #2:
>>
>> Using your "billions of years" scenario, which is
>> no more than the "Gap Theory", you run into
>> a serious problem, since your concept states,
>> as you just demonstrated, that time went by
>> between the days. However...
>>
>> Fact: Plants require insects and the Sun to survive.
>
> Not all plants require insects. A few do not require the sun.
Which ones?
Need proof. Otherwise, how do we know you're not lying again?
>> Fact: If billions of years went by, then plants could
>> not have survived, considering that they would
>> have been created billions of years before either
>> insects or the Sun was created and so no, the
>> argument that the "Light = the Sun" doesn't
>> work either, since you're still left with the problem
>> of the insects.
>
> Your ignorance of the history of life on earth is noted.
And your failure to provide proof for your assertions is also noted.
>
>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #3:
>>
>> Fact: The idea of the Big Bang, etc., means that
>> evolution is being supported by its proponents,
>> since the Big Bang is part of evolutionary theory.
>
> The Big Bang is a cosmological theory from physics. It has nothing to do
> with biological evolution.
>
>> Fact: If evolution is true, then that means that man
>> was not created in God's image, because man
>> is not the end of evolution, because it is still
>> continuing and man will evolve into something
>> else and that means that the Bible is a lie and
>> so, when you claim to believe in evolution and
>> the Bible, you cannot be telling the truth.
>
> There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that mankind was
> created in God's image.
>
> You teach lies and blame God for the lies you teach.
Need proof for that assertion.
Otherwise, how do we know you're not lying again?
Ciao,
Pastor Dave
<lefty...@netscape.net> spake thusly:
Thanks for proving to us how the claim of the atheists,
that they are unbiased and don't care if God exists
or not, is a false one. While you think you are somehow
impressing people here, in reality, you are showing
a complete lack of intelligence.
>> > � (3) �ABORTION
Thank you for proving that homo marriage is nothing more
than a slippery slope to all kinds of perverted types of marriage
such as beastiality, open marriage, et al..
And thank you for proving how dishonest you are, by trying
to compare homo marriage to inter-racial marriage, when
they are not even close to being the same thing, as you know.
The fact is that yes, hetero marriage is the only valid marriage
and you talking about whatever deviant things some hetero
couples have done, is nothing more than an attempt to distract
from this fact on your part. And it is a tactic that you would
not even attempt to use, if you were as sure as you claim
you are, that homo marriage is proper.
Heteros doing the wrong thing, does not make homo
marriage valid. Rather, it only makes those heteros
people who violate the bond of marriage.
But you wish to pretend that if you can point to people
doing the wrong thing, that that somehow makes the
wrongs that other people do okay.
Didn't your momma teach you that two wrongs don't
make a right? That would be strange, since I learned
that by the time I was five!
But it does show just how pathetic people like you are,
who promote this perversion based on saying; "Because
there are hetero perverts, that means that homo marriage
is okay!", which is no different than saying... "Since I can
prove that there are hetero perverts, that means that we
should legalize all types of perversion!".
Yea, that's quite an intelligent argument you and the rest
like you have for homo marriage, there! Bawahahaha!!!
What a sad lot you people are! <chuckle>
Look people, this is really simple!
She's an innie.
He's an outtie.
It ain't rocket science! :)
--
Pastor Dave
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Lefty
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:46 -0800, "Wayne"
>
> > "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) wrote:
>
> >> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>
> >> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>
> >> (1) ATHEISTS
>
> >> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
> >> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
> >> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>
> Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian promote
> the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
> in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
> respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
> claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
>
> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>
> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
> Psalm 14:1a
The bible also says that slavery and rape are a-okay. I imagine
Chilton doesn't agree with that, either.
> >> Some of the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of
> >> the worst tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and
> >> Stalin) were such as a RESULT of being atheistic.
>
> They were, according to those men themselves. The did
> not have faith in God and they believed in an accidental
> creation of the world and in evolution and of course, that
> those that they didn't like, were lower on the evolutionary
> tree of life.
>
> Of course, there is the propaganda that these men were
> Christians (especially Hitler), but in reality, they weren't
> and anyone who has studied the actual history, will know
> that to be the case.
Anyone who has studied the history knows you're full of shit.
Hitler's own words;
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the
Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting
for the work of the Lord.."
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at
last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for
the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years,
with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in
the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the
Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated,
but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if
there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly
it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a
duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these
men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I
believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity
for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and
exploited."
"Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against
Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped
into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this
people in utter honesty and sincerity. "
Many more here;
http://nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm
Stalin attended the seminary, but was expelled for his Marxist
beliefs.
> >> (2) EVOLUTION
>
> >> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
> >> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
> >> 4-light-year-long columns.
>
> This is a lie and one that Craig is proud to tell!
If so, why can't you refute it?
>There is
> no proof for macroevolution
There's no "proof" of anything, only evidence, and all the evidence is
on the evolutionary side. Sucks for you.
>and it does directly conflict
> with the Bible, since it says that man evolved from ape
> and that Jesus was nothing more than a made over
> monkey.
Yes, and....?
>It also means that man was not made in
> the image of God and is not the pinnacle of God's
> creation, since if evolution is true, then it is not done
> and that means that man will evolve into something
> else, non-human
WTF are you babbling about? That makes no sense whatsoever.
>and therefore, the Bible is a lie and
Yep. Or, if you prefer, a story.
> guess what? That means that Jesus had no reason
> to be here, since man is not the end of the road for
> evolution anyway.
Evolutionary theory does not dictate that there is no possible end
point.
> So how can the Bible be true and evolution be true?
> It simply cannot! And to quote a famous atheist...
Answer; the bible is made-up bullshit.
> "Evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason
> Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary.
> Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin and in the
> rubble, you will find the sorry remains of the Son of
> God. If Jesus was not the Redeemer... and this is
> what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing."
> - Richard Bozarth, Atheist
Damn straight.
> >> ABORTION
>
> This one is too obvious and Craigey boy knows it!
Yet you have no refutation.
> > Good going...you named three harmless things.
>
> No he didn't. They are all quite harmful and have
> proved themselves to be so.
How?
>Craig simply ignores
> whatever he can't argue and pretends it never
> happened. :)
Like you just did, you mean? Where are ~your~ arguments? Where's your
evidence of harm?
Pastor Dave
<lefty...@netscape.net> spake thusly:
>On Nov 22, 1:57�pm, Pastor Dave wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:46 -0800, "Wayne"
>> <mygarbage...@verizon.net> spake thusly:
>>
>> > "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) wrote:
>>
>> >> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>
>> >> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>
>> >> (1) � ATHEISTS
>>
>> >> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
>> >> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
>> >> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>>
>> Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian promote
>> the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
>> in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
>> respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
>> claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
>>
>> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>>
>> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
>> Psalm 14:1a
>
>The bible also says that slavery and rape are a-okay. I imagine
>Chilton doesn't agree with that, either.
Actually, no, it doesn't say that. But thank you
for proving that you're ignorant on the subject
and that you don't much care what the truth is,
since you attack the Bible, to avoid the issue.
Goodbye now. I don't waste time on fools.
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.
"If something in science suddenly becomes so sacrosanct
that you can't question it, then it ceases to be science",
he said. "And I really think that's what's become of
Darwinism." - Roger DeHart
Lefty
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:52:05 -0800 (PST), Lefty
>
>
>
> >On Nov 22, 1:57 pm, Pastor Dave wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:46 -0800, "Wayne"
> >> <mygarbage...@verizon.net> spake thusly:
>
> >> > "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) wrote:
>
> >> >> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>
> >> >> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>
> >> >> (1) ATHEISTS
>
> >> >> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
> >> >> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
> >> >> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>
> >> Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian promote
> >> the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
> >> in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
> >> respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
> >> claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
>
> >> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>
> >> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
> >> Psalm 14:1a
>
> >The bible also says that slavery and rape are a-okay. I imagine
> >Chilton doesn't agree with that, either.
>
> Actually, no, it doesn't say that.
<snicker!>
I knew you'd lie.
"You will be engaged to a woman, but another man will ravish her. You
will build a house, but someone else will live in it. You will plant
a vineyard, but you will never enjoy its fruit. Your ox will be
butchered before your eyes, but you won't get a single bite of the
meat. Your donkey will be driven away, never to be returned. Your
sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will be there to help
you. You will watch as your sons and daughters are taken away as
slaves. Your heart will break as you long for them, but nothing you
do will help. A foreign nation you have never heard about will eat
the crops you worked so hard to grow. You will suffer under constant
oppression and harsh treatment. You will go mad because of all the
tragedy around you. The LORD will cover you from head to foot with
incurable boils." Deuteronomy 28:30-35
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at
the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man
who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is
not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke
the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her
to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he
must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then
takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to
sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways,
she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." Exodus
21:7-11
"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own
house. I will take your wives (plural) while you live to see it, and
will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in
broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring
it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking
down.'"
2 Samuel 12:11-14
"As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms
for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then
all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they
refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.
When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the
town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children,
livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies
that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply
only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby. "As for
the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special
possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely
destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you. This will
keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs
in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply
against the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 20:10-18
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they
killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur,
Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of
Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite
women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their
wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the
Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and
captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and
Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was
camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from
Jericho."
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to
meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the
military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you
let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who
followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel
against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the
plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the
women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins
may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Numbers 31:7-18
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not
engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he
must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never
be allowed to divorce her." Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that
the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the
slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the
slave is his own property." Exodus 21:20-21
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God,
delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a
comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you
wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But
before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails
and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father
and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you
shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on
you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she
wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was
married to you under compulsion." Deuteronomy 21:10-14
"Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in
your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for
battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished;
half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall
not be removed from the city." Zechariah 14:1-2
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the
foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of
such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your
land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your
children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like
this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated
this way." Leviticus 25:44-46
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve
them sincerely as you would serve Christ." Ephesians 6:5
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so
that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your
master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You
should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by
your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to
obey them." 1 Timothy 6:1-2
"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their
little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.
Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking
hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount
of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot
down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on
helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children." Isaiah
13:15-18
>But thank you
> for proving that you're ignorant on the subject
> and that you don't much care what the truth is,
> since you attack the Bible, to avoid the issue.
Oh, the delicious irony.
> Goodbye now. I don't waste time on fools.
Running away like the coward you are, I see, after falsely claiming
~I~ avoided the issue. You are quite possibly the the biggest
hypocrite and most pathetic liar of all time, but then, anyone who
claims to strictly follow the bible's teachings has to be a liar and a
hypocrite, unless he or she is a rapist, child abuser, murderer, and
slave owner.
You wanna be a ~true~ Christian , "Pastor"? Get busy raping and
killing. Don't forget to show no mercy for helpless babies, scumbag.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> 4 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>
>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>
>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>
>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
>> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
>> respectable as that of any other one in the world. Some of
>> the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of the worst
>> tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and Stalin) were
>> such as a RESULT of being atheistic. In reality, though, the
>> tyrants simply were misusing atheism by claiming that no
>> power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or the STATE.
>>
>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>
>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
>> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
>> 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
>> whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
>> make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
>> tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
>> of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
>> that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
>> universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
>> simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
>> evolutionary process.
> During the first billion years God creates light. During the second
> billion years He divides the waters above from the waters below
> During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
> Genesis 1:1-2:4
Ad over the course of the last 1-1/2 billion years, lifeforms
evolved to their present situations on this planet.
> And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
Then He has a long time to wait to do that resting, since the
world is only around 4-1/2 billion years old.
>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
> Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman
> marriage. Never has been, is not now, and never will be.
No prob. The same is true of apple trees and orange trees. One is
not the same as the other. Never has been. Is not now. Never will be.
But just like both opposite-sex marriage and same-sex marriage, they are
EQUALLY worthwhile. Thus -- NO problem!
As usual, all you have =done is to remind us that you are a TYPICAL
bigot: a DOLT.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
��� REMEMBER DR. TILLER!! ���
��� REJECT *ALL* of the RRR & LDS Cults' Hate-Agendas ���
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
-- (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <xana...@mchsi.com>
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FREEDOM is ACCELERATING!
Same-sex marriage (SSM) is REALITY in all these places, and
the list is steadily and inexorably* growing:
( * RRR Cultists: Look up "inexorable." Take it to heart.)
� Netherlands (as of 2001)
� Belgium (2003)
� Massachusetts (2004)
� Canada (2005)
� Spain (2005)
� South Africa (2005)
� Norway (2008)
� Connecticut (2008)
� New York ** (2008)
...and getting very CLOSE in 2009.
� Iowa (2009)
� Vermont (2009)
� Sweden (2009)
� New Hampshire (2009)
� Washington, D.C.** (2009)
� New Jersey: PENDING in 2009
� Hungary: PENDING in 2009
� Albania: PENDING in 2009
� California: Has 18,000 legally-married
same-sex couples, and the future looks
very BRIGHT, per THIS clear trend:
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
� Australia: 60% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
� Britain: 61% of Population now SUPPORTS it!
** New York State, Rhode Island, Washington, D.C.,
France, and Israel now recognize gay marriages
for couples legally married outside of the
state/district/country.
Gender composition is IRRELEVANT. Expect this to be the case
in almost ALL of the world within a few more years, as its societies
continue to OUTGROW and REJECT mindless bigotries.
The bigots have *already* LOST, and the RATE of their loss
is accelerating. A few years from now, SSM will be legal in ALL
50 states, and people will look back at them and their agenda, and
both will very properly be recalled with the *same* DERISION that
we now hold for the Segregationists and *their* EXTINCT agenda.
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(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
PHONY- Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
> Lefty<lefty...@netscape.net> spake thusly:
>> "Chris" <re...@juno.com> wrote:
>>> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>>> � � � � � � 4 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>> Genesis 1:1-2:4
>> Shove your fairy tales up your humhole.
>>> And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
>> Until you popped up to stand in for him, eh?
> Thanks for proving to us how the claim of the atheists,
> that they are unbiased and don't care if God exists
> or not, is a false one.
Wrong. They ARE unbiased and simply have seen insufficient proof
of a higher power to believe in one. That is every bit as much their RIGHT
as it is for other people TO believe in one.
Nor are orange trees identical to cherry trees. So what?
>> So? It has to be exactly the same to be equally legally valid? In that
>> case, you must also have a problem with the legality of open marriage,
>> and inter-racial marriage, right, because they differ from the norm?
>> How about people who marry for money rather than love? How about
>> straight sexual deviants who marry?
>>
>> Who set ~you~ up to decide whose marriage is legit and whose isn't?
> Thank you for proving that [same-sex] marriage is nothing more
> than a slippery slope to all kinds of ... of marriage, such as beastiality,
> open marriage, et al.
It's NOT. Let's look at what you said:
(1) Bestiality. It can NEVER be marriage because animals
cannot meet the requirement to CONSENT to it.
(2) Open Marriage. CLUE: That is ANY already-EXISTING
marriage wherein the couple has decided that it's fine
to enjoy recreational sex with other partners. NO biggie!
> And thank you for proving how dishonest you are, by trying
> to compare homo marriage to inter-racial marriage, when
> they are not even close to being the same thing, as you know.
There was NO dishonesty on his part. BUTH situations involve the
unconscionable EXCLUSION from marriage for NO good reason of
of-age and not-to-closely-blood-related people. BOTH exclusions
are manifestations of abject STUPIDITY. The Supreme Court
properly ENDED one exclusion 42 years ago, and unless it is prepared
to TRASH the 14th amendment, it SOON will have to do the SAME for
dame-sex couples.
> The fact is that yes, hetero marriage is the only valid marriage...
BULLCRAP! Only to the SAME extent that *you* are an ACTUAL
pastor! IOW -- not even remotely!
> ...and you talking about whatever ... things some hetero
> couples have done, is nothing more than an attempt to distract
> from this fact on your part.
LOL!!! Your IGNORANCE is exceeded only by your bigotry!
> Heteros doing the wrong thing, does not make homo
> marriage valid.
TRUE! Millions of opposite-sex couples do NOT have children,
per their own CHOICE. And over a million gays (singles and
couples; married or not) *do* HAVE children, by their own choice.
Clearly, different approaches to marriage on the part of ALL
people are EQUALLY valid!
> Rather, it only makes those heteros mpeople who violate
> the bond of marriage.
ANYthing that any couple AGREES to is NOT a "violation" of
anything, busybody!
> But you wish to pretend that if you can point to people
> doing the wrong thing, that that somehow makes the
> wrongs that other people do okay.
ANYthing that any couple AGREES to **IS** okay.
> Didn't your momma teach you that two wrongs don't
> make a right? That would be strange, since I learned
> that by the time I was five!
First, you need to find an ACTUAL wrong.
Hmmm... your PRETENDING to be a pastor, which is a
gross INSULT to all ACTUAL pastors, is wrong. Let's start
with THAT. My father was an ACTUAL minister. So I know
what they do. They make house calls on the sick and
troubled. They visit the hospitalized. They perform weddings
and funerals. They preside over the consistories that enable
their churches to function financially and efficiently. They are
people that one doesn't want to bother on Saturday nights
because they are busy composing sermons. And they wouldn't
BEGIN to have time to live in Usenet, even if they DIDN'T make
total fools of themselves the way YOU do.
YOU are a FRAUD.
> But it does show just how pathetic people like you are, ...
LOL!!! Look who's talking!!
<NONSENSE about nonexistent "perversions" flushed>
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
PHONY-Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
> Lefty <lefty...@netscape.net> spake thusly:
>>>>> 4 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>>>>
>>>>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) � ATHEISTS
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
>>>>> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
>>>>> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>>> Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian...
BZZZzzzttt!!! **IS* a Christian, Liar.
>>> ...promote the idea that atheists are among the most
>>> intelligent people in the world and that their belief system
>>> is "every bit as respectable as any other one in the world", ...
...only because they ARE, and it IS. Unlike you, I believe in
being TRUTHFUL.
>>> ...while he also claims to believe the Bible and that it's
>>> God's word.
I do, and I believe that MOST of it IS. See:
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/Erroneous-Hate.html
>>> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>>>
>>> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
>>> Psalm 14:1a
CLUE: Psalms are SONGS, and they express OPINIONS.
>> The bible also says that slavery and rape are a-okay. I imagine
>> Chilton doesn't agree with that, either.
> Actually, no, it doesn't say that.
Wrong. Just with regard to the issue of SLAVERY, take a
look at this and SEE how wrong you are. The passages cited
in the yellow box:
> Goodbye now. I don't waste time on fools.
That's PHONY-Pastor Dave's SCHTICK!
Whenever he's CORNERED, he RUNS AWAY!!
ROTFL!!! Only "Papa Jack" (R.I.P.) ever was any better at that
than PHONY-Pastor Dave. And Dave is working HARD to catch up!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
About PHONY-Pastor Dave...
Hmmm... your PRETENDING to be a pastor, which is a gross
INSULT to all ACTUAL pastors, is wrong. Let's start with THAT.
My father was an ACTUAL minister. So I *know* what REAL
pastors do. They make house calls on the sick and troubled.
They visit the hospitalized. They perform weddings and funerals.
They preside over the consistories that enable their churches to
function financially and efficiently. They are people that one
doesn't want to bother on Saturday nights because they are
busy composing sermons. And they wouldn't even BEGIN to
have time to live in Usenet, even if they DIDN'T make total fools
of themselves the way YOU do.
YOU are a FRAUD.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Lefty <lefty...@netscape.net> wrote:
> PHONY-Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
>>>> "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> spake thusly:
>>>>> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) wrote:
>>>>>> 4 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
> --Exodus 21:7-11
>
>"Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own
>house. I will take your wives (plural) while you live to see it, and
>will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in
>broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring
>it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking
>down.'"
> 2 Samuel 12:11-14
>
> "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms
>for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then
>all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they
>refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.
>When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the
>town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children,
>livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies
>that the LORD your God has given you. But these instructions apply
>only to distant towns, not to the towns of nations nearby. "As for
>the towns of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as a special
>possession, destroy every living thing in them. You must completely
>destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and
>Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you. This will
>keep the people of the land from teaching you their detestable customs
>in the worship of their gods, which would cause you to sin deeply
>against the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 20:10-18
>
> "They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and
>killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, they
>Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of
>Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite
>women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their
>wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the
>Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and
>captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and
>Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was
>camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from
>Jericho."
>Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to
>meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the
>military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you
>let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who
>followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel
>against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the
>plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the
>women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins
>may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Numbers 31:7-18
>
>"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not
>engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he
>must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will r
> Oh, the delicious irony!
>> Goodbye now. �I don't waste time on fools.
> Running away like the coward you are, I see, after falsely claiming
>~I~ avoided the issue. You are quite possibly the the biggest
>hypocrite and most pathetic liar of all time, but then, anyone who
>claims to strictly follow the bible's teachings has to be a liar and a
>hypocrite, unless he or she is a rapist, child abuser, murderer, and
>slave owner.
>
>You wanna be a ~true~ Christian , "Pastor"? Get busy raping and
>killing. Don't forget to show no mercy for helpless babies, scumbag.
ROTFL!!!! You really NAILED that lying loser!! PHONY-Pastor
Dave probably won't stop running until after he's beyond the orbit
of the moon!!
Ray Fischer
>No, sorry, that doesn't work and it's just you trying
>to compromise with atheistic ideas, because you
>have been fooled into thinking that macroevolution
>is a fact of science. But it isn't.
Of course it's a fact. Why do you feel the need to lie about such
things?
>Nor does evolution in any way possibly line up
>with what the Bible says on the Creation!
Of course it does.
>Just three examples (there are obviously more)...
>Contradiction between evolution and creation #1:
>
>Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
> before the Earth.
>
>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
> before the Sun.
That says nothing at all about evolution, idiot.
>Contradiction between evolution and creation #2:
>
>Using your "billions of years" scenario, which is
>no more than the "Gap Theory", you run into
>a serious problem, since your concept states,
>as you just demonstrated, that time went by
>between the days. However...
>
>Fact: Plants require insects and the Sun to survive.
>
>Fact: If billions of years went by, then plants could
> not have survived, considering that they would
> have been created billions of years before either
> insects or the Sun was created and so no, the
> argument that the "Light = the Sun" doesn't
> work either, since you're still left with the problem
> of the insects.
You really are a moron.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
DNA replication is imperfect. Child organisms do not have identical DNA
to their parents.
>Your willingness to lie about that fact does not change it.
But that is the fact. Your opinion is of no account when the facts say
what they do. Evolution happens.
>And if you don't provide the proof, then everyone will know that you are
>the one lying.
You are the proof. You can test your DNA and the DNA of your parents and
find the differences.
>>> Nor does evolution in any way possibly line up
>>> with what the Bible says on the Creation!
>>
>> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>
>Then if it is "false doctrine", you shouldn't have any problem providing
>a proof for that assertion either.
How can a religious doctrine that has been shown to be false by physical
evidence be anything but a false doctrine? So-called literalism in
Genesis is one such set of doctrines that have been shown to be false.
>Unless, you're lying about it.
I have reality on my side. What do you have? We know that you cannot
show that you have God.
>>> Just three examples (there are obviously more)...
>>>
>>>
>>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #1:
>>>
>>> Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
>>> before the Earth.
>>>
>>> Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>>> before the Sun.
>>
>> The Bible was wrong.
>
>Then if the Bible is wrong, you shouldn't have any problem providing a
>proof for that assertion either.
The physical evidence about the history of the universe shows that your
interpretation of Genesis as a science text is wrong and that you have
come to an erroneous conclusion. That is why your claim is false
doctrine.
>Unless you're also lying about that.
Once again, reality beats your false doctrine.
>>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #2:
>>>
>>> Using your "billions of years" scenario, which is
>>> no more than the "Gap Theory", you run into
>>> a serious problem, since your concept states,
>>> as you just demonstrated, that time went by
>>> between the days. However...
>>>
>>> Fact: Plants require insects and the Sun to survive.
>>
>> Not all plants require insects. A few do not require the sun.
>
>Which ones?
Grasses do not need insects for pollination. Indian-pipes are a good
example of a plant that needs no sunlight.
>Need proof. Otherwise, how do we know you're not lying again?
As we have seen here, I haven't lied yet.
>>> Fact: If billions of years went by, then plants could
>>> not have survived, considering that they would
>>> have been created billions of years before either
>>> insects or the Sun was created and so no, the
>>> argument that the "Light = the Sun" doesn't
>>> work either, since you're still left with the problem
>>> of the insects.
>>
>> Your ignorance of the history of life on earth is noted.
>
>And your failure to provide proof for your assertions is also noted.
Yet I managed to provide examples when you finally asked. You, on the
other hand, made ignorant, erroneous assertions.
>>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #3:
>>>
>>> Fact: The idea of the Big Bang, etc., means that
>>> evolution is being supported by its proponents,
>>> since the Big Bang is part of evolutionary theory.
>>
>> The Big Bang is a cosmological theory from physics. It has nothing to do
>> with biological evolution.
>>
>>> Fact: If evolution is true, then that means that man
>>> was not created in God's image, because man
>>> is not the end of evolution, because it is still
>>> continuing and man will evolve into something
>>> else and that means that the Bible is a lie and
>>> so, when you claim to believe in evolution and
>>> the Bible, you cannot be telling the truth.
>>
>> There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that mankind was
>> created in God's image.
>>
>> You teach lies and blame God for the lies you teach.
>
>Need proof for that assertion.
>Otherwise, how do we know you're not lying again?
Since you have lost every one of your challenges to this point, you
should not be surprised to find out that you are wrong here, too. I
notice that you effectively agreed with me that there is no evidence to
support your claim that mankind is created in God's image.
If someone finds such evidence, my claim will no longer be correct.
Until that point, my claim is accurate. There is no evidence to support
your doctrine.
In all, you have made claims that are inconsistent with observed
reality. You didn't arrive at those claims on your own. You repeat them
from others who have made them. All of you have had a chance to look at
the science that shows that your claims are false. The church bodies
that most Christians belong to have adjusted their doctrines to match
reality. You have refused to. Don't blame God for your behavior. He did
not make you do it.
Calvin Ramsey
> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>
>
>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>
>>> Evolution is a fact of reality.
>>>
>> Then if it is a "fact of reality", you shouldn't have any problem
>> providing a proof for that assertion.
>>
>
> DNA replication is imperfect. Child organisms do not have identical DNA
> to their parents.
>
>
Show where imperfect DNA replication is *proof* of the Theory of Evolution.
>>> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>>>
>> Then if it is "false doctrine", you shouldn't have any problem providing
>> a proof for that assertion either.
>>
>
> How can a religious doctrine that has been shown to be false by physical
> evidence be anything but a false doctrine? So-called literalism in
> Genesis is one such set of doctrines that have been shown to be false.
>
Literalism is not a doctrine.
>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>>
>> Then if the Bible is wrong, you shouldn't have any problem providing a
>> proof for that assertion either.
>>
>
> The physical evidence about the history of the universe shows that your
> interpretation of Genesis as a science text is wrong and that you have
> come to an erroneous conclusion. That is why your claim is false
> doctrine.
>
What "interpretation of Genesis as a science text" are you referring to?
> As we have seen here, I haven't lied yet.
Well, yes you have.
I've already caught you in one lie (Literalism is not a doctrine).
And I'm still working on two more.
Just answer the questions.
Ciao,
Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
>Free Lunch wrote:
>> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Evolution is a fact of reality.
>>>>
>>> Then if it is a "fact of reality", you shouldn't have any problem
>>> providing a proof for that assertion.
>>>
>>
>> DNA replication is imperfect. Child organisms do not have identical DNA
>> to their parents.
>
>Show where imperfect DNA replication is *proof* of the Theory of Evolution.
Do you understand that the facts of evolution and the theory of
evolution belong to two different sets? Furthermore, do you understand
that facts are not proof of any theory in science?
You asked for evidence that evolution is a fact. I pointed to that
evidence. You then asked a question that showed that you did not
understand the question you had asked previously or that you did not
like the answer you got.
>>>> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>>>>
>>> Then if it is "false doctrine", you shouldn't have any problem providing
>>> a proof for that assertion either.
>>>
>>
>> How can a religious doctrine that has been shown to be false by physical
>> evidence be anything but a false doctrine? So-called literalism in
>> Genesis is one such set of doctrines that have been shown to be false.
>
>Literalism is not a doctrine.
Of course it is. It happens to be the minority view in Christianity. The
vast majority of Christians belong to Church bodies that do not insist
that the stories in the Bible are to be taken literally.
>>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>>>
>>> Then if the Bible is wrong, you shouldn't have any problem providing a
>>> proof for that assertion either.
>>>
>>
>> The physical evidence about the history of the universe shows that your
>> interpretation of Genesis as a science text is wrong and that you have
>> come to an erroneous conclusion. That is why your claim is false
>> doctrine.
>
>What "interpretation of Genesis as a science text" are you referring to?
Those who insist that the stories in Genesis that conflict with
scientific observation are historically and scientifically true despite
the physical evidence showing that those stories could not be accurate
and need to be understood in a different way.
>> As we have seen here, I haven't lied yet.
>
>Well, yes you have.
>
>I've already caught you in one lie (Literalism is not a doctrine).
It is. Learn more about your religion. It's fascinating and full of
thousands of differing views.
Chris
"thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4b098dfe$0$36565$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
Because his use of the word implies that it IS the same. "Opposite-sex
married couples" is akin to saying wet water.
>
>
Most Holy Mother Tucker
for the devil again:
> � � � � � � �3 ***HARMLESS*** Things
That ain't what the Holy Bible says about such "things". God is angry
with the wicked every single day (Pslam 7:11). You are EXCEEDINGLY
wicked. Therefore God is FURIOUS with you! He may soon pul the plug
on alla your ugly SIN!!!
> that *Bigots* WHINE About
You mean that True Christians like me preach against - according to
the Holy Bible?
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � �(Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
What are we a gonna lose exactly ? You a'ready lost your soul! The
Holy Bible says - "What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the
whole world, and lose his own soul?" - Mark 8:36.
> � �(1) � ATHEISTS
> � � � � � � � Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
> � � � � � �people in the world, their belief system
That's a misplaced modifier, old you buzzard!
> is every bit as
> � � � � � �respectable as that of any other one in the world. Some of
> � � � � � �the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of the worst
> � � � � � �tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and Stalin) were
> � � � � � �such as a RESULT of being atheistic. �
They were. Atheism is intrinsically evil. The Bible says so.
> In reality, though, the
> � � � � � �tyrants simply were misusing atheism by claiming that no
> � � � � � �power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or the STATE.
God saves some atheists - but they need to adopt the right attitude.
They need to say "I ain't fount the right church YET" and "I seen so
much hypocrisy in the churches I seen that I can't believe in the God
they pretend to worship YET". They a'so need to keep an open mind and
seek knowledge, preferably in Our Holy Church - where they will surely
see miracles that will convince them that our'n is God's Only TRUE
Church and alla the others are just imitations. They need to do good
deeds alla the time - which a lotta them does a'ready - and not use
THEIR doubt and unbelief as an excuse for wild behavior. That means
they can't screw around. God did NOT create any human body for the
purpose o' fotnication. Sexual sin is an ABOMINATION to A'mighty
God. He will punish it every time! He smites luts filled libertines
with chlamydia every day!
> � �(2) � EVOLUTION
aka the ABSURD theory of EVIL-UTION
> � � � � � � �...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
> � � � � � �that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
> � � � � � �4-light-year-long columns. �The irony is that those who
> � � � � � �whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
> � � � � � �make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
> � � � � � �tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
> � � � � � �of God, rather than diminishing it. �Since it provides evidence
> � � � � � �that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
> � � � � � �universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
> � � � � � �simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
> � � � � � �evolutionary process.
But evil-utionists typically dismiss the role of God in Divine
Creation. The problem is that scientifical types change their silly
theory's a'most every week. One day they'll find out that every word
in the Holy Bible is true - and that undreameda physical law's apply
outside the earthly sphere. Light travels much faster thru empty
space than scientists ever imagined. I'm all for genuine scientifical
INVESTIGATION of the cosmos - as long as scientists openly admit that
1) the Bible is God's Own Word and 2) they really don't know mucha
nothing that God ain't revealed to them thru His Holy Bible.
> � �(3) �ABORTION
aka fetus MURDER!
> � � � � � � �This is one of the world's GREATEST, most successful,
> � � � � � in terms of efficacy and safety, REMEDIES. �
Yeah - it's wunna Satan's remedy's for a getting more sex crazed
whores and butchers into the Putrid Pit o' Hell.
> It enables no
> � � � � � fewer than a BILLION (with a "B") girls and women over
> � � � � � any given modern-day 18-year-long period, worldwide, to
> � � � � � UNDO an unwanted medical condition that had the potential
> � � � � � to WRECK their futures, and destroy countless of their
> � � � � � future opportunities. �
If I don't like my husband, should I be allowed to "undo" him by a
killing him? What about an unruly child? Should I be able to "undo"
them too by chopping them up the way a living fetus is cut up? I
don't think so. Abortion is exactly the same - cold blooded murder.
God will DESTROY anybody that engages in fetus murder in the very
bottom o' hell. That includes dirty old geezers like you what
encourages women to KILL the fetuses that LIVE inside them.
> It simply resets the clock, and males
> � � � � � it as though the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened.
No, idiot. It KILLS a living baby! You are truly disgusting.
> � � � � � The IRRATIONAL opponents of this harmless and hugely-
> � � � � � BENEFICIAL remedy like to pretend (and LIE) that mere
> � � � � � RPEs (reproductive-process entities) equate in ANY mean-
> � � � � � ingful way to already-born PEOPLE. �They don't. �
They definitely do. There are people what don't think Jew's or blacks
or queers or even old people like YOU are human beings either. You
are no better than a Nazi that worked in a death camp. The Nazi's
kilt children. You support butchers what does the same thing today in
fetus murder chop shops. You just wait 'til you stand before A'mighty
God's Great White Throne on Judgment Day. You will suffer torture
beyond imagination for alla the evil you do!
> Not even
> � � � � � remotely. �Any more than cake batter and acorns, which
> � � � � � have the same "ingredients" even remotely are the equiv-
> � � � � � alent of cakes or oak trees. �Bigots who oppose abortion
> � � � � � are among the world's MOST hateful and ignorant louts,
I ain't hateful. I love baby's - even the unborn one's. I counsel
whores outsida fetus murder chop shops and FREQUENTLY convince them to
let their precious baby's live. Mosta the women in Our Holy Church
adopt the children o' whores and dope addicts whose lover boy's want
them to KILL their baby's. Women that murders their fetuses usually
feel guilty about it afterwards. We find out about the one's what
goes thru with the murder and we tell them about it year after year.
The guilt a woman feels over fetus murder only gets worse as the years
go by and Judgment Day gets closer.
> � � � � � because they seek to FORCE girls and women to gestate
> � � � � � UNwanted pregnancies to term at the expense of count-
> � � � � � less of their future life options, for NO good reason.
If'n these whores don't wanna get pregnant, they need to keep their
legs SHUT!
> Girls
> � � � � � and women should always ask THIS question about such
> � � � � � obnoxious losers: �"What do YOU have to lose in the course
> � � � � � of forcing US to wreck our futures?" �
I'll answer that. Allowing fetus murder takes away everybody's
reverence for life. Just look at how scornful and nasty you are
toward Godly people like me. You don't do anthing the Lord Jesus
taught. You're fulla hate and bitterness and lust. That's the way
women that kills their living fetuses either are or will be if'n they
go thru with the murder.
> Anti-Choice bigots are
> � � � � � some of the world's MOST irrational and hateful people.
You're TOTALLY irrationakl and hateful, old crow.
> � � � � � Fortunately for tens of millions of American girls and women,
> � � � � � the benevolent "Roe vs. Wade" decision by the Supreme
> � � � � � Court in 1973 was the greatest single act of EMANCIPA-
> � � � � � in history since Lincoln freed the slaves!
Old Ms. Roe had a total change o' heart later. That's normally for
women what kills their baby's - and rightly so.
> � �(4) �SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
The Lord Jesus defined marriage as a Sacred Union between one man and
one woman - so same sex "marriage" ain't nothing but MOCKERY from
Satan!
> � � � � � Could there POSSIBLY be *anything* more HARMLESS
> � � � � � than that? �FACT: �*NO* facts even EXIST that make a
> � � � � � valid argument for EXCLUDING same-sex couples from
> � � � � � marrying. �For example, there is NO requirement for ANY
> � � � � � couple to either procreate, or declare any intention of
> � � � � � having kids. �And MILLIONS of opposite-sex married
> � � � � � couples have CHOSEN *not* to! �I have yet to see ANY
> � � � � � of the anti-SSM bigots WHINING about THAT! �(And it is
> � � � � � a very interesting fact that millions of gay singles and
> � � � � � couples, whether married or not, have decided TO have
> � � � � � and raise children via the MANY legal ways by which they
> � � � � � can obtain them. �As can be readily seen by going HERE:
Homo sexuals can't love - they only burn in unnatural and impure lust
- so they shouldn't be allowed to mock the Sacred Institution o'
Marriage. They only wanna get their hands on kids so's they can
corrupt and abuse them.
You are evil, old Craig - and the things you encourage are even moe
evil. I'm here to tell you you're a going to HELL forever.
Absolutely disgusted by old sexual perverts -
Reverend Mother Lurlean Tucker
God's TRUE Gospel Witness
Chris
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:334jg55irif2ubugi...@4ax.com...
So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
Smiler
Christian maths, where 365,250,000,000 days =24 hours, 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 and Pi
= 3!
Then you know little about the church and it's history.
Same-sex marriages were blessed by the church, up until the 15th century.
http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/gaymarriagerite.html
>>
>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Smiler
Please explain how the plants, which were created before the sun, survived
for 'a billion years' without any light?
Well, liar. No answer?
Ray Fischer
>>>Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
>>> before the Earth.
>>>
>>>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>>> before the Sun.
>>
>> The Bible was wrong.
>
>So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
If the sun didn't exist before the Earth and planets then what did the
Earth and planets orbit around?
When a book of mythology contradicts known science, then it is the
mythology which MUST be wrong.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
JumpsOnFire
<www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> said:
>
> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
Crazy Craig Chilton wines about others who have opinions that differ
from his. But none the less he'll sell you some of his snake oil
pamphlets on "How to make millions while 10.2% of the US work force IS
OUT OF WORK."
>
> (Watching Them is Great Fun!! Conning them out of their money is even funner}
>
> (1) ATHEISTS
It's not whining when it's about "The most "dislikeded minority in the US."
>
> (2) EVOLUTION
What's to whine about? You either believe it or you don't
>
> (3) ABORTION
Opposed by a majority of Americans
>
> (4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Recently VOTED DOWN by the people of Maine and California.
30+ other states already have Constitutions that prohibit same
sex marriage and others have legislation to that effect pending.
BTW, Crazy Craig, that's FOUR, 4 and "shi" in Japanese.
Free Advice -- At 74 you're way too old to still be doing
those recreational pharmaceuticals, Crazy Craig.
>
BE-VA
<www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> said:
>
> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
> (1)
> (2)
> (3)
> (4)
YOU IGNORANT FUCK-WIT!
BE-VA
<www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> said:
> And one MORE for good measure:
>
> (4)
YOU IGNORANT FUCK-WIT!
BE-VA
>
> "Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:ck1jg5dhmo9ca9h4a...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:46 -0800, "Wayne"
>> <mygarb...@verizon.net> spake thusly:
>>
>>
>>> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) wrote:
>>>
>>>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>>>
>>>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>>>
>>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>>>
>>>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
>>>> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
>>>> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>>
>> Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian promote
>> the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
>> in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
>> respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
>> claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
>>
>> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>>
>> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
>> Psalm 14:1a
>
> And a fool thinks that atheism is a belief system, and a number of liars
> claim to think it.
>
But, boy, a high US Court has ruled that atheism IS a religion. Check
it out, jailhouse lawyer.
>
> snip of rest of more of the same.
Alluding to the homosexual "bull shit" responses of course.
BE-VA
>
> Who set ~you~ up to decide whose marriage is legit and whose isn't?
You're not talking to the good people of Maine or California are you, boy?
Enos Penvy
> "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Chris" <re...@juno.com> skrev i meddelelsen
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> >> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> wrote in
"Opposite-sex married couples" has become a retronym.
Lefty
tuc...@wowmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 8:06 am, Dirty Old Geezer Craig Chilton <x...@m.com> LIED
> for the devil again:
>
> > 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things
>
> That ain't what the Holy Bible says about such "things".
Who cares? The bible is made-up nonsense.
>God is angry
> with the wicked every single day (Pslam 7:11). You are EXCEEDINGLY
> wicked. Therefore God is FURIOUS with you! He may soon pul the plug
> on alla your ugly SIN!!!
What sin is that?
> > that *Bigots* WHINE About
>
> You mean that True Christians like me preach against - according to
> the Holy Bible?
Do you rape women, keep slaves, and kill children? If not, you are not
following biblical doctrine.
> > (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>
> What are we a gonna lose exactly ? You a'ready lost your soul! The
> Holy Bible says - "What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the
> whole world, and lose his own soul?" - Mark 8:36.
The bible also says you can beat babies to death. Are you going to
stick with that source?
> > (1) ATHEISTS
> > Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
> > people in the world, their belief system
>
> That's a misplaced modifier, old you buzzard!
Are you trying to be ironic? You suck at it.
> > is every bit as
> > respectable as that of any other one in the world. Some of
> > the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of the worst
> > tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and Stalin) were
> > such as a RESULT of being atheistic.
>
> They were. Atheism is intrinsically evil. The Bible says so.
The bible says you can rape and kill, too. It supports genocide. Gonna
stick with it?
> > In reality, though, the
> > tyrants simply were misusing atheism by claiming that no
> > power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or the STATE.
>
> God saves some atheists - but they need to adopt the right attitude.
> They need to say "I ain't fount the right church YET" and "I seen so
> much hypocrisy in the churches I seen that I can't believe in the God
> they pretend to worship YET". They a'so need to keep an open mind and
> seek knowledge, preferably in Our Holy Church - where they will surely
> see miracles that will convince them that our'n is God's Only TRUE
> Church and alla the others are just imitations. They need to do good
> deeds alla the time - which a lotta them does a'ready - and not use
> THEIR doubt and unbelief as an excuse for wild behavior. That means
> they can't screw around. God did NOT create any human body for the
> purpose o' fotnication. Sexual sin is an ABOMINATION to A'mighty
> God. He will punish it every time! He smites luts filled libertines
> with chlamydia every day!
Only delusional whackos "see" miracles and only closeted perverts are
sexophobes. So what's the perversion you are trying in vain to hide?
> > (2) EVOLUTION
>
> aka the ABSURD theory of EVIL-UTION
Which you can't refute.
> > ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
> > that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
> > 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
> > whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
> > make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
> > tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
> > of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
> > that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
> > universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
> > simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
> > evolutionary process.
>
> But evil-utionists typically dismiss the role of God in Divine
> Creation.
Idiot, there is no such thing as "divine creation" to evolutionists.
>The problem is that scientifical types change their silly
> theory's a'most every week.
Bullshit. Evolutionary theory is unchanged. I note how you reject
science- it's a hallmark of fascism.
>One day they'll find out that every word
> in the Holy Bible is true - and that undreameda physical law's apply
> outside the earthly sphere.
Dream on.
> Light travels much faster thru empty
> space than scientists ever imagined.
Like through your head, you mean?
>I'm all for genuine scientifical
> INVESTIGATION of the cosmos - as long as scientists openly admit that
> 1) the Bible is God's Own Word and 2) they really don't know mucha
> nothing that God ain't revealed to them thru His Holy Bible.
Too funny. That's sort of like a vegetarian saying "I'm all for people
eating meat, as long as it doesn't come from an animal."
> > (3) ABORTION
>
> aka fetus MURDER!
Who cares if a fetus dies?
> > This is one of the world's GREATEST, most successful,
> > in terms of efficacy and safety, REMEDIES.
>
> Yeah - it's wunna Satan's remedy's for a getting more sex crazed
> whores and butchers into the Putrid Pit o' Hell.
More sexophobia as a cover for deviancy. You seem like a BDSM kind of
guy. You top or bottom? Top, I suspect, and into pain.
> > It enables no
> > fewer than a BILLION (with a "B") girls and women over
> > any given modern-day 18-year-long period, worldwide, to
> > UNDO an unwanted medical condition that had the potential
> > to WRECK their futures, and destroy countless of their
> > future opportunities.
>
> If I don't like my husband, should I be allowed to "undo" him by a
> killing him? What about an unruly child? Should I be able to "undo"
> them too by chopping them up the way a living fetus is cut up?
No, they are sentient creatures.
> I don't think so. Abortion is exactly the same - cold blooded murder.
You're claiming born children and husbands are brainless creatures
with no thoughts or feelings, then.
> God will DESTROY anybody that engages in fetus murder in the very
> bottom o' hell. That includes dirty old geezers like you what
> encourages women to KILL the fetuses that LIVE inside them.
Gee, what a lovely God. I see why a BDSMer would like a God like that.
Does it turn you on thinking of women being tortured in hell?
> > It simply resets the clock, and males
> > it as though the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened.
>
> No, idiot. It KILLS a living baby! You are truly disgusting.
Babies are sentient, dullwit.
> > The IRRATIONAL opponents of this harmless and hugely-
> > BENEFICIAL remedy like to pretend (and LIE) that mere
> > RPEs (reproductive-process entities) equate in ANY mean-
> > ingful way to already-born PEOPLE. They don't.
>
> They definitely do. There are people what don't think Jew's or blacks
> or queers or even old people like YOU are human beings either.
That's irrational and has no reasonable basis, just like your posts.
Those people are all sentient.
>You
> are no better than a Nazi that worked in a death camp. The Nazi's
> kilt children.
Godwin alert. Argumentum ad Hitlerum noted. That's an automatic
concession of defeat.
>You support butchers what does the same thing today in
> fetus murder chop shops. You just wait 'til you stand before A'mighty
> God's Great White Throne on Judgment Day. You will suffer torture
> beyond imagination for alla the evil you do!
Whacking off thinking about it, I see.
> > Not even
> > remotely. Any more than cake batter and acorns, which
> > have the same "ingredients" even remotely are the equiv-
> > alent of cakes or oak trees. Bigots who oppose abortion
> > are among the world's MOST hateful and ignorant louts,
>
> I ain't hateful.
Could be. Maybe you're just so staggeringly stupid that you think
jerking off to the torture porn you post is an expression of love.
>I love baby's - even the unborn one's.
Too bad you can't spell babies, eh? It's interesting to note how so
many anti-abortion types are uneducated. Coincidence? I think not.
>I counsel
> whores outsida fetus murder chop shops and FREQUENTLY convince them to
> let their precious baby's live.
Suuuure you do. The only "counseling" of whores you do involves a
failed attempt at a quickie in the back of your ancient Dodge Caravan,
perv. When you stand outside abortion clinics screeching and pulling
your pud, the whores remember you as "the little guy who couldn't".
>Mosta the women in Our Holy Church
> adopt the children o' whores and dope addicts whose lover boy's want
> them to KILL their baby's.
So their husbands can molest them, sounds like, since your church must
be full of sickos to accept you. Did you get wifey to adopt a handy
little victim for your sadism? I'm sure she's happy you're no longer
whipping her now that you have fresh meat.
>Women that murders their fetuses usually
> feel guilty about it afterwards.
You have no knowledge of or insight into the feelings of women, or of
anything else.
>We find out about the one's what
> goes thru with the murder and we tell them about it year after year.
Yes, and bore the shit out of them.
> The guilt a woman feels over fetus murder only gets worse as the years
> go by and Judgment Day gets closer.
Here we go with more torture fantasies.
> > because they seek to FORCE girls and women to gestate
> > UNwanted pregnancies to term at the expense of count-
> > less of their future life options, for NO good reason.
>
> If'n these whores don't wanna get pregnant, they need to keep their
> legs SHUT!
Sexual sadists are usually woman-haters. You are obviously no
exception.
> > Girls
> > and women should always ask THIS question about such
> > obnoxious losers: "What do YOU have to lose in the course
> > of forcing US to wreck our futures?"
>
> I'll answer that. Allowing fetus murder takes away everybody's
> reverence for life.
It's you who gets his jollies over torture. Is that what you consider
reverence for life? Let me guess- you support capital punishment, too.
>Just look at how scornful and nasty you are
> toward Godly people like me.
You're not in the least godly, and perverted, misogynistic morons like
you deserve far more scorn than Craig has shown.
>You don't do anthing the Lord Jesus
> taught.
Where is ~your~ love and forgiveness, hypocrite?
>You're fulla hate and bitterness and lust.
Smells like classic projection.
>That's the way
> women that kills their living fetuses either are or will be if'n they
> go thru with the murder.
Incoherent hillbilly babble.
> > Anti-Choice bigots are
> > some of the world's MOST irrational and hateful people.
>
> You're TOTALLY irrationakl and hateful, old crow.
I'm quite sure you don't know what irrational means.
> > Fortunately for tens of millions of American girls and women,
> > the benevolent "Roe vs. Wade" decision by the Supreme
> > Court in 1973 was the greatest single act of EMANCIPA-
> > in history since Lincoln freed the slaves!
>
> Old Ms. Roe had a total change o' heart later. That's normally for
> women what kills their baby's - and rightly so.
You mean "normal for women who kill their babies". Get an education,
inbred. Your posts are almost impossible to understand due to your
cracker-ass writing.
But even if written in perfect English, they'd still be laughable
bullshit.
> > (4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
>
> The Lord Jesus defined marriage as a Sacred Union between one man and
> one woman - so same sex "marriage" ain't nothing but MOCKERY from
> Satan!
Jesus never said anything about the definition of marriage.
> > Could there POSSIBLY be *anything* more HARMLESS
> > than that? FACT: *NO* facts even EXIST that make a
> > valid argument for EXCLUDING same-sex couples from
> > marrying. For example, there is NO requirement for ANY
> > couple to either procreate, or declare any intention of
> > having kids. And MILLIONS of opposite-sex married
> > couples have CHOSEN *not* to! I have yet to see ANY
> > of the anti-SSM bigots WHINING about THAT! (And it is
> > a very interesting fact that millions of gay singles and
> > couples, whether married or not, have decided TO have
> > and raise children via the MANY legal ways by which they
> > can obtain them. As can be readily seen by going HERE:
>
> Homo sexuals can't love - they only burn in unnatural and impure lust
So lust and love are mutually exclusive? That's certainly a sadist's
philosophy.
> - so they shouldn't be allowed to mock the Sacred Institution o'
> Marriage. They only wanna get their hands on kids so's they can
> corrupt and abuse them.
More projection, methinks.
> You are evil, old Craig - and the things you encourage are even moe
> evil. I'm here to tell you you're a going to HELL forever.
Then so are you, for masturbating while posting.
> Absolutely disgusted by old sexual perverts -
Self loathing sucks, huh.
Lefty
> On 2009-11-22 14:25:34 -0500, Lefty <leftydr...@netscape.net> said:
>
>
>
> > Who set ~you~ up to decide whose marriage is legit and whose isn't?
>
> You're not talking to the good people of Maine or California are you, boy?
You answer a question with an irrelevant question, when the original
question was not even asked of you. Are you swilling sour mash as you
post?
Would you like to know why I haven't engaged in discourse with you?
It's because you're the worst of all things a poster can be. You're a
bore. It's not just because you're stupid, because there are lots of
entertaining morons. You're just stupid in a banal way that has no
entertainment value.
Calvin Ramsey
> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>
>
>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>
>>> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Evolution is a fact of reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Then if it is a "fact of reality", you shouldn't have any problem
>>>> providing a proof for that assertion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> DNA replication is imperfect. Child organisms do not have identical DNA
>>> to their parents.
>>>
>> Show where imperfect DNA replication is *proof* of the Theory of Evolution.
>>
>
> Do you understand that the facts of evolution and the theory of
> evolution belong to two different sets? Furthermore, do you understand
> that facts are not proof of any theory in science?
>
I understand that you cannot show where imperfect DNA replication is
*proof* of the Theory of Evolution being a proven "fact of reality".
I understand, as you can read for yourself at
http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/
that "Modern scientists all over the world are now side stepping the
origin debate due to the vast discoveries that point to the necessity of
an intelligent and caring Creator."
I also understand that not all scientists believe the evolutionary
theory, as you can read for yourself at
http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v5i10f.htm
And I also know that in the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British
philosopher Antony Flew stunned the academic world by publicly
renouncing atheism. He was considered as "one of the most renowned
atheists of the 20th century". And, for many decades he was a resolute
advocate for atheism. Now, five years later, Flew's conversion from
atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
> You asked for evidence that evolution is a fact.
No. You're wrong.
I did not ask for evidence.
I asked for *proof* of your assertion that the Theory of Evolution is a
proven fact of reality.
You can go back and read it for yourself.
>>>>> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Then if it is "false doctrine", you shouldn't have any problem providing
>>>> a proof for that assertion either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> How can a religious doctrine that has been shown to be false by physical
>>> evidence be anything but a false doctrine? So-called literalism in
>>> Genesis is one such set of doctrines that have been shown to be false.
>>>
>> Literalism is not a doctrine.
>>
>
> Of course it is. It happens to be the minority view in Christianity. The
> vast majority of Christians belong to Church bodies that do not insist
> that the stories in the Bible are to be taken literally.
>
>
Well, actually, of course it's not.
The eternality of God is a Christian Doctrine.
Monotheism is a Christian Doctrine.
The holiness of God is a Christian Doctrine.
Trinitarianism is a Christian Doctrine.
The omniscience of God is a Christian Doctrine.
The deity of Christ is a Christian Doctrine.
The immutability of God is a Christian Doctrine.
The divine inspiration of the Bible is a Christian Doctrine.
The omnipresence of God is a Christian Doctrine.
The atonement of Christ is a Christian Doctrine.
The omnipotence of God is a Christian Doctrine.
But, reading the Bible literally is not a Christian Doctrine.
I'm sorry, but you're just wrong about that.
Saying it is, tells me you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Then if the Bible is wrong, you shouldn't have any problem providing a
>>>> proof for that assertion either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The physical evidence about the history of the universe shows that your
>>> interpretation of Genesis as a science text is wrong and that you have
>>> come to an erroneous conclusion. That is why your claim is false
>>> doctrine.
>>>
>> What "interpretation of Genesis as a science text" are you referring to?
>>
>
> Those who insist that the stories in Genesis that conflict with
> scientific observation are historically and scientifically true despite
> the physical evidence showing that those stories could not be accurate
> and need to be understood in a different way.
>
Let's take this systematically, one step at a time.
What specific stories in Genesis are you referring to?
Can I assume that one of them is the story of the Flood?
And, if so, what other stories would you have in mind?
Ciao,
Virgil
"Chris" <re...@juno.com> wrote:
> "thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4b098dfe$0$36565$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
> >
> > "Chris" <re...@juno.com> skrev i meddelelsen
> > news:NKeOm.31444$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
> >> Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman
> >> marriage. Never has been, is not now, and never will be.
> >
> > Why is that a problem?
>
> Because his use of the word implies that it IS the same.
> "Opposite-sex married couples" is akin to saying wet water.
In many nations there re two quite separate forms of marriage, civil and
religious, and it is none of any religion's business what the government
defines as civil marriage.
Otherwise governments would have an equal right to dictate what
religious marriage is.
Virgil
JumpsOnFire <gero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 2009-11-22 11:06:29 -0500, "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���)
> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> said:
>
> >
> > 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>
> Crazy Craig Chilton wines about others who have opinions that differ
> from his. But none the less he'll sell you some of his snake oil
> pamphlets on "How to make millions while 10.2% of the US work force IS
> OUT OF WORK."
>
> >
> > (Watching Them is Great Fun!! Conning them out of their money is even
> > funner}
> >
> > (1) ATHEISTS
>
> It's not whining when it's about "The most "dislikeded minority in the US."
Disliked only because it is feared by all those idiot theists who deny
any belief in almost as many gods as atheists do. almost as
>
> >
> > (2) EVOLUTION
>
> What's to whine about? You either believe it or you don't
It certainly explains a lot of things better than any supposedly holy
books do.
>
> >
> > (3) ABORTION
>
> Opposed by a majority of Americans
Opposed mostly by men, who would quickly reverse themselves if they ever
were pregnant. Women, for the most part, find that there are situations
where abortion is better than any other option.
>
> >
> > (4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
>
To deny the legal benefits of marriage to same-sex pairs for religious
reasons is unAmerican.
Ray Fischer
>On 2009-11-22 11:06:29 -0500, "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���)
><www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> said:
>
>>
>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>
>Crazy Craig Chilton wines about others who have opinions that differ
>from his. But none the less he'll sell you some of his snake oil
>pamphlets on "How to make millions while 10.2% of the US work force IS
>OUT OF WORK."
>
>>
>> (Watching Them is Great Fun!! Conning them out of their money is even funner}
>>
>> (1) ATHEISTS
>
>It's not whining when it's about "The most "dislikeded minority in the US."
Hatred isn't not a Christian ideal.
>> (2) EVOLUTION
>
>What's to whine about? You either believe it or you don't
Truth or superstition.
>> (3) ABORTION
>
>Opposed by a majority of Americans
That's a lie.
>> (4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
>
>Recently VOTED DOWN by the people of Maine and California.
So what?
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>wrote:
>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>
>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>
>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>
>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
>> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
>> respectable as that of any other one in the world. Some of
>> the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of the worst
>> tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and Stalin) were
>> such as a RESULT of being atheistic. In reality, though, the
>> tyrants simply were misusing atheism by claiming that no
>> power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or the STATE.
>>
>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>
>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
>> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
>> 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
>> whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
>> make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
>> tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
>> of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
>> that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
>> universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
>> simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
>> evolutionary process.
>>
>> (3) ABORTION
>>
>> This is one of the world's GREATEST, most successful,
>> in terms of efficacy and safety, REMEDIES. It enables no
>> fewer than a BILLION (with a "B") girls and women over
>> any given modern-day 18-year-long period, worldwide, to
>> UNDO an unwanted medical condition that had the potential
>> to WRECK their futures, and destroy countless of their
>> future opportunities. It simply resets the clock, and males
>> it as though the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened.
>> The IRRATIONAL opponents of this harmless and hugely-
>> BENEFICIAL remedy like to pretend (and LIE) that mere
>> RPEs (reproductive-process entities) equate in ANY mean-
>> ingful way to already-born PEOPLE. They don't. Not even
>> remotely. Any more than cake batter and acorns, which
>> have the same "ingredients" even remotely are the equiv-
>> alent of cakes or oak trees. Bigots who oppose abortion
>> are among the world's MOST hateful and ignorant louts,
>> because they seek to FORCE girls and women to gestate
>> UNwanted pregnancies to term at the expense of count-
>> less of their future life options, for NO good reason. Girls
>> and women should always ask THIS question about such
>> obnoxious losers: "What do YOU have to lose in the course
>> of forcing US to wreck our futures?" Anti-Choice bigots are
>> some of the world's MOST irrational and hateful people.
>> Fortunately for tens of millions of American girls and women,
>> the benevolent "Roe vs. Wade" decision by the Supreme
>> Court in 1973 was the greatest single act of EMANCIPA-
>> in history since Lincoln freed the slaves!
And one MORE for good measure:
(4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Could there POSSIBLY be *anything* more HARMLESS
than that? FACT: *NO* facts even EXIST that make a
valid argument for EXCLUDING same-sex couples from
marrying. For example, there is NO requirement for ANY
couple to either procreate, or declare any intention of
having kids. And MILLIONS of opposite-sex married
couples have CHOSEN *not* to! I have yet to see ANY
of the anti-SSM bigots WHINING about THAT! (And it is
a very interesting fact that millions of gay singles and
couples, whether married or not, have decided TO have
and raise children via the MANY legal ways by which they
can obtain them. As can be readily seen by going HERE:
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Millions-have-kids.html.
The most ludicrous LIE that the bigots so desperately
pursue is the specious notion that same-sex marriage
can in ANY way be damaging to opposite-sex marriage.
It flat-out CANNOT. And that makes the so-called
"Defense of Marriage" measures that Congress and
many states have passed proof positive that P.T.
Barnum was right! Fortunately, SO was Lincoln, who
said that one can't fool all of the people all of the time,
and thus, ALL of those hatefully-exclusionary laws will
SURELY end up in history's boneyard before much
longer. JUST as it was utterly STUPID to exclude inter-
racial couples from marriage prior to 1967 -- it is every
bit as irrational and MORONIC to exclude same-sex
couples from marrying today. And society is FAST
learning that, and SOON will throw the hateful and
ignorant bigots under the bus once and for all. Just
look at the wonderful PROGRESS California has been
making, without most of the bigots even realizing it!
California is right on the verge of lowering the boom
on those pathetic losers once and for all !! --
Dan Listermann
"Calvin Ramsey" <calr...@oaken.net> wrote in message
news:hedboi$sr9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Free Lunch wrote:
>> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Evolution is a fact of reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Then if it is a "fact of reality", you shouldn't have any problem
>>>>> providing a proof for that assertion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> DNA replication is imperfect. Child organisms do not have identical DNA
>>>> to their parents.
>>>>
>>> Show where imperfect DNA replication is *proof* of the Theory of
>>> Evolution.
>>>
>>
>> Do you understand that the facts of evolution and the theory of
>> evolution belong to two different sets? Furthermore, do you understand
>> that facts are not proof of any theory in science?
>>
>
> I understand that you cannot show where imperfect DNA replication is
> *proof* of the Theory of Evolution being a proven "fact of reality".
>
Ah, your latest strawman! You forgot "incontrovertible."
thomas p.
"Virgil" <Vir...@home.esc> skrev i meddelelsen
news:Virgil-BDAA3C....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> In article <mtnOm.47417$W77....@newsfe11.iad>,
> "Chris" <re...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> "thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b098dfe$0$36565$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>> >
>> > "Chris" <re...@juno.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>> > news:NKeOm.31444$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>
>> >> Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman
>> >> marriage. Never has been, is not now, and never will be.
>> >
>> > Why is that a problem?
>>
>> Because his use of the word implies that it IS the same.
>> "Opposite-sex married couples" is akin to saying wet water.
(piggybacking to respond to a post I did not see)
Not when the law allow same-sex marriage. Why do you think you get to say
such marriages are not equal to any other kind of civil marriage allowed
under
the law?
>
> In many nations there re two quite separate forms of marriage, civil and
> religious, and it is none of any religion's business what the government
> defines as civil marriage.
>
> Otherwise governments would have an equal right to dictate what
> religious marriage is.
He seems to think that there is some kind of absolute law that makes
same-sex marriage impossible.
Calvin Ramsey
Do you feel better now, Dan?
Has that been a 'fly-in-the-ointment' for you?
How much sleep have you lost over that one word, Dan?
And, well, I really didn't forget it.
It's like, if you say, "Shut up!" to someone, the "You", as the subject,
is understood.
Besides, I feel this is far more important than "yesterday's newspaper"
that you keep wanting to bring up.
Don't you feel the same way about this, Dan?
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#JcA53rg8nPyt
http://www.existence-of-god.com/flew-abandons-atheism.html
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/antony-flew.htm
Anthony Flew writes on "The God Delusion"
http://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/professor-anthony-flew-writes-on-the-god-delusion-2/
Watch Anthony Flew on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw
Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026912105814406901#
Dan Listermann
> Dan Listermann wrote:
>> "Calvin Ramsey" <calr...@oaken.net> wrote in message
>> news:hedboi$sr9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then if it is a "fact of reality", you shouldn't have any problem
>>>>>>> providing a proof for that assertion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> DNA replication is imperfect. Child organisms do not have identical
>>>>>> DNA
>>>>>> to their parents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Show where imperfect DNA replication is *proof* of the Theory of
>>>>> Evolution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Do you understand that the facts of evolution and the theory of
>>>> evolution belong to two different sets? Furthermore, do you understand
>>>> that facts are not proof of any theory in science?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I understand that you cannot show where imperfect DNA replication is
>>> *proof* of the Theory of Evolution being a proven "fact of reality".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ah, your latest strawman! You forgot "incontrovertible."
>>
>
> Do you feel better now, Dan?
> Has that been a 'fly-in-the-ointment' for you?
> How much sleep have you lost over that one word, Dan?
>
> And, well, I really didn't forget it.
> It's like, if you say, "Shut up!" to someone, the "You", as the subject,
> is understood.
>
>
> Besides, I feel this is far more important than "yesterday's newspaper"
> that you keep wanting to bring up.
> Don't you feel the same way about this, Dan?
>
Look who is talking about having a hard time forgetting things!
I noticed that you did not address my charge of erecting a strawman.
Calvin Ramsey
You can think whatever you wish to think, Dan.
I really don't care what you do, or say, or think, or feel.
You're just not that important a person.
All you need to do now is get used to being insignificant.
I think this is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#JcA53rg8nPyt
http://www.existence-of-god.com/flew-abandons-atheism.html
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/antony-flew.htm
Anthony Flew writes on "The God Delusion"
http://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/professor-anthony-flew-writes-on-the-god-delusion-2/
Watch Anthony Flew on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw
Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026912105814406901#
Has Science Discovered God?
http://ScienceFindsGod.com
Calvin Ramsey
You can think whatever you wish, Dan.
I really don't care what you do, or say, or think, or feel.
You're not that important a person to me, Dan.
Now, get used to it.
I think this is far more important a topic to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#JcA53rg8nPyt
http://www.existence-of-god.com/flew-abandons-atheism.html
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/antony-flew.htm
Anthony Flew writes on "The God Delusion"
http://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/professor-anthony-flew-writes-on-the-god-delusion-2/
Watch Anthony Flew on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw
Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026912105814406901#docid=5249281426257021068
Calvin Ramsey
You can think whatever you wish, Dan.
I really don't care what you do, or say, or think, or feel.
So now, you need get used to it.
I think this is far more important a topic to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#JcA53rg8nPyt
http://www.existence-of-god.com/flew-abandons-atheism.html
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/antony-flew.htm
Anthony Flew writes on "The God Delusion"
http://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/professor-anthony-flew-writes-on-the-god-delusion-2/
Watch Anthony Flew on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw
Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026912105814406901#
Has Science Discovered God?
http://ScienceFindsGod.com
Calvin Ramsey
You can think whatever you wish to think, Dan.
I really don't care what you do, or say, or think, or feel.
I think this is far more important a topic to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#JcA53rg8nPyt
http://www.existence-of-god.com/flew-abandons-atheism.html
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/antony-flew.htm
Anthony Flew writes on "The God Delusion"
http://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/professor-anthony-flew-writes-on-the-god-delusion-2/
Watch Anthony Flew on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw
Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026912105814406901#
Has Science Discovered God?
http://ScienceFindsGod.com
Dan Listermann
Calvin Ramsey
This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#JcA53rg8nPyt
http://www.existence-of-god.com/flew-abandons-atheism.html
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/antony-flew.htm
Anthony Flew writes on "The God Delusion"
http://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/professor-anthony-flew-writes-on-the-god-delusion-2/
Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026912105814406901#
Famous Atheist Antony Flew Changes Mind, Believes in God Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw
Famous Atheist Antony Flew Changes, Believes in God Part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ2VuQyAeRM
Dan Listermann
>
> This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
>
> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
> considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
> And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
> telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
> Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
> go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
> from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Well at least you understand that you are evading my point.
Calvin Ramsey
You must have accidentally snipped this:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
Dan Listermann
>
> You must have accidentally snipped this:
>
> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
> considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
> And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
> telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
> Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
> go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
> from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Did you accidentally forget to address my charge of erecting a strawman?
Calvin Ramsey
This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/flew.html#JcA53rg8nPyt
http://www.existence-of-god.com/flew-abandons-atheism.html
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/antony-flew.htm
Anthony Flew writes on "The God Delusion"
http://defendtheword.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/professor-anthony-flew-writes-on-the-god-delusion-2/
Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026912105814406901#
Famous Atheist Antony Flew Changes Mind, Believes in God Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkxpTIbCIw
Famous Atheist Antony Flew Changes Mind, Believes in God Part II
Dan Listermann
>
> This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
>
> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
> considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
> And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
> telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
> Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
> go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
> from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
You are desperate to divert me from your strawman, aren't you?
Chris
"Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote in message
news:CZnOm.27438$2E.1...@newsfe20.ams2...
> Chris wrote:
>> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> wrote in
>> message news:n9oig55qm1nkjhvjt...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>>
>>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>>>
>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>>
>>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and
>>> intelligent people in the world, their belief system is
>>> every bit as respectable as that of any other one in the
>>> world. Some of the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of
>>> the worst tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and
>>> Stalin) were such as a RESULT of being atheistic. In
>>> reality, though, the tyrants simply were misusing atheism
>>> by claiming that no power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or
>>> the STATE. (2) EVOLUTION
>>>
>>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star
>>> formation that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope
>>> photo of 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that
>>> those who whine about evolution and think they can debunk
>>> it (and make fools of themselves in the process) claim to
>>> be Chris- tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES
>>> the power of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it
>>> provides evidence that God not only was omnipotent enough
>>> to create the universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent
>>> enough to simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide
>>> -- the evolutionary process.
>>
>>
>> During the second billion years He divides the waters above from the
>> waters below
>> During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
>> Genesis 1:1-2:4
>>
>> And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
>>
>
Guess again.
> 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 and Pi = 3!
>> Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman marriage.
>> Never has been, is not now, and never will be.
>>
>
> Then you know little about the church and it's history.
Who's talking about "the church"?
> Same-sex marriages were blessed by the church, up until the 15th century.
> http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/gaymarriagerite.html
>
>>>
>>> http://www.Egalitarian.biz/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
>
> --
> Smiler
> The godless one
> a.a.# 2279
> All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
> perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
>
Chris
> Chris wrote:
>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>> news:334jg55irif2ubugi...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:25:33 -0500, Pastor Dave
>>> <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:43:01 -0800, "Chris" <re...@juno.com>
>>>> spake thusly:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star
>>>>>> formation
>>>>>> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
>>>>>> 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
>>>>>> whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
>>>>>> make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be
>>>>>> Chris- tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES
>>>>>> the power of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it
>>>>>> provides evidence
>>>>>> that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
>>>>>> universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
>>>>>> simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
>>>>>> evolutionary process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> During the first billion years God creates light
>>>>> During the second billion years He divides the waters above from
>>>>> the waters
>>>>> below
>>>>> During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
>>>>> Genesis 1:1-2:4
>>>>>
>>>>> And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
>>>>
>>>> to compromise with atheistic ideas, because you
>>>> have been fooled into thinking that macroevolution
>>>> is a fact of science. But it isn't.
>>>
>>> Evolution is a fact of reality. Your willingness to lie about that
>>> fact does not change it.
>>>
>>>> Nor does evolution in any way possibly line up
>>>> with what the Bible says on the Creation!
>>>
>>> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #1:
>>>>
>>>> Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
>>>> before the Earth.
>>>>
>>>> Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>>>> before the Sun.
>>>
>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>
>> So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
>>
>
> Please explain how the plants, which were created before the sun, survived
> for 'a billion years' without any light?
Who said the plants were created before the sun?
>
>>>
>>>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #2:
>>>>
>>>> Using your "billions of years" scenario, which is
>>>> no more than the "Gap Theory", you run into
>>>> a serious problem, since your concept states,
>>>> as you just demonstrated, that time went by
>>>> between the days. However...
>>>>
>>>> Fact: Plants require insects and the Sun to survive.
>>>
>>> Not all plants require insects. A few do not require the sun.
>>>
>>>> Fact: If billions of years went by, then plants could
>>>> not have survived, considering that they would
>>>> have been created billions of years before either
>>>> insects or the Sun was created and so no, the
>>>> argument that the "Light = the Sun" doesn't
>>>> work either, since you're still left with the problem
>>>> of the insects.
>>>
>>> Your ignorance of the history of life on earth is noted.
>>>
>>>> Contradiction between evolution and creation #3:
>>>>
>>>> Fact: The idea of the Big Bang, etc., means that
>>>> evolution is being supported by its proponents,
>>>> since the Big Bang is part of evolutionary theory.
>>>
>>> The Big Bang is a cosmological theory from physics. It has nothing
>>> to do with biological evolution.
>>>
>>>> Fact: If evolution is true, then that means that man
>>>> was not created in God's image, because man
>>>> is not the end of evolution, because it is still
>>>> continuing and man will evolve into something
>>>> else and that means that the Bible is a lie and
>>>> so, when you claim to believe in evolution and
>>>> the Bible, you cannot be telling the truth.
>>>
>>> There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that mankind
>>> was created in God's image.
>>>
>>> You teach lies and blame God for the lies you teach.
>>>
>
> Well, liar. No answer?
CLEARLY, you have me confused with some other poster.
Chris
"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4b0a2148$0$1671$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>>>> before the Earth.
>>>>
>>>>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>>>> before the Sun.
>>>
>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>
>>So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
>
> Earth and planets orbit around?
Who said they were orbiting?
>
> When a book of mythology contradicts known science, then it is the
> mythology which MUST be wrong.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer
> rfis...@sonic.net
>
Chris
"Virgil" <Vir...@home.esc> wrote in message
news:Virgil-46848C....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> In article <2009112300520577923-geronemo@yahoocom>,
> JumpsOnFire <gero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-11-22 11:06:29 -0500, "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���)
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> said:
>>
>> >
>> > 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>
>> Crazy Craig Chilton wines about others who have opinions that differ
>> from his. But none the less he'll sell you some of his snake oil
>> pamphlets on "How to make millions while 10.2% of the US work force IS
>> OUT OF WORK."
>>
>> >
>> > (Watching Them is Great Fun!! Conning them out of their money is even
>> > funner}
>> >
>> > (1) ATHEISTS
>>
>> It's not whining when it's about "The most "dislikeded minority in the
>> US."
>
> Disliked only because it is feared by all those idiot theists who deny
> any belief in almost as many gods as atheists do. almost as
>>
>> >
>> > (2) EVOLUTION
>>
>> What's to whine about? You either believe it or you don't
>
> It certainly explains a lot of things better than any supposedly holy
> books do.
>>
>> >
>> > (3) ABORTION
>>
>> Opposed by a majority of Americans
>
> Opposed mostly by men, who would quickly reverse themselves if they ever
> were pregnant.
Hypothesis contrary to fact.
> Women, for the most part, find that there are situations
> where abortion is better than any other option.
>>
>> >
>> > (4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
>>
> To deny the legal benefits of marriage to same-sex pairs for religious
> reasons is unAmerican.
Does the same hold true for father-daughter pairs, brother-sister?
Chris
> Chris wrote:
>> "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> wrote in
>> message news:n9oig55qm1nkjhvjt...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>>
>>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and
>>> intelligent people in the world, their belief system is
>>> every bit as respectable as that of any other one in the
>>> world. Some of the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of
>>> the worst tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and
>>> Stalin) were such as a RESULT of being atheistic. In
>>> reality, though, the tyrants simply were misusing atheism
>>> by claiming that no power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or
>>>
>>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star
>>> formation that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope
>>> photo of 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that
>>> those who whine about evolution and think they can debunk
>>> it (and make fools of themselves in the process) claim to
>>> be Chris- tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES
>>> the power of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it
>>> provides evidence that God not only was omnipotent enough
>>> to create the universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent
>>> enough to simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide
>>> -- the evolutionary process.
>>
>>
>> During the first billion years God creates light
>> During the second billion years He divides the waters above from the
>> waters below
>> During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
>> Genesis 1:1-2:4
>>
>> And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
>>
>
Guess again.
Chris
>
> "Virgil" <Vir...@home.esc> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:Virgil-BDAA3C....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
>> In article <mtnOm.47417$W77....@newsfe11.iad>,
>> "Chris" <re...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4b098dfe$0$36565$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>>> >
>>> > "Chris" <re...@juno.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>>> > news:NKeOm.31444$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>>
>>> >> Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman
>>> >> marriage. Never has been, is not now, and never will be.
>>> >
>>> > Why is that a problem?
>>>
>>> Because his use of the word implies that it IS the same.
>>> "Opposite-sex married couples" is akin to saying wet water.
>
> (piggybacking to respond to a post I did not see)
>
> Not when the law allow same-sex marriage. Why do you think you get to say
> such marriages are not equal to any other kind of civil marriage allowed
> under
> the law?
Better question is why is it so important for them to incorporate the word
"marriage" into their civil unions when such unions afford them IDENTICAL
rights to marriage rights?
>
>
>>
>> In many nations there re two quite separate forms of marriage, civil and
>> religious, and it is none of any religion's business what the government
>> defines as civil marriage.
>>
>> Otherwise governments would have an equal right to dictate what
>> religious marriage is.
>
> He seems to think that there is some kind of absolute law that makes
> same-sex marriage impossible.
That'd be like me calling you a concrete (as opposed to flesh and blood)
human being. I suppose that would work by simply changing the definition of
"human being". You can't use an adjective to precede a word when such
adjective is contrary to the very definition of the word.
>
>
Calvin Ramsey
This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
Calvin Ramsey
This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Read more about it :
Les Hellawell
He certainly is bringing up that old damp squid yet again :-)
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
thomas p.
"Calvin Ramsey" <calr...@oaken.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:heee23$nq3$1...@news.albasani.net...
>
> This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
>
> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
> considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
By who?
> And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
> telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
> Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
> go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
> from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
It is a sad example of theist dishonesty.
thomas p.
>
> "thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4b0aa420$0$36571$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>>
>> "Virgil" <Vir...@home.esc> skrev i meddelelsen
>> news:Virgil-BDAA3C....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
>>> In article <mtnOm.47417$W77....@newsfe11.iad>,
>>> "Chris" <re...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "thomas p." <gud...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b098dfe$0$36565$edfa...@dtext01.news.tele.dk...
>>>> >
>>>> > "Chris" <re...@juno.com> skrev i meddelelsen
>>>> > news:NKeOm.31444$X01....@newsfe07.iad...
>>>
>>>> >> Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman
>>>> >> marriage. Never has been, is not now, and never will be.
>>>> >
>>>> > Why is that a problem?
>>>>
>>>> Because his use of the word implies that it IS the same.
>>>> "Opposite-sex married couples" is akin to saying wet water.
>>
>> (piggybacking to respond to a post I did not see)
>>
>> Not when the law allow same-sex marriage. Why do you think you get to
>> say
>> such marriages are not equal to any other kind of civil marriage allowed
>> under
>> the law?
>
> Better question is why is it so important for them to incorporate the word
> "marriage" into their civil unions when such unions afford them IDENTICAL
> rights to marriage rights?
I didn't think you would be able to answer the question. Marriage is
whatever the law says it is. Same-sex marriage is, in fact, marriage in
those jurisdictions that allow it. Your opinion does not change that.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> In many nations there re two quite separate forms of marriage, civil and
>>> religious, and it is none of any religion's business what the government
>>> defines as civil marriage.
>>>
>>> Otherwise governments would have an equal right to dictate what
>>> religious marriage is.
>>
>> He seems to think that there is some kind of absolute law that makes
>> same-sex marriage impossible.
>
> That'd be like me calling you a concrete (as opposed to flesh and blood)
> human being. I suppose that would work by simply changing the definition
> of "human being". You can't use an adjective to precede a word when such
> adjective is contrary to the very definition of the word.
>
No, it is nothing like that at all. Marriage is a legal concept. It is
whatever the law says it is.
Ray Fischer
>>>>>Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
>>>>> before the Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>>>>> before the Sun.
>>>>
>>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>>
>>>So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
>>
>> If the sun didn't exist before the Earth and planets then what did the
>> Earth and planets orbit around?
>
>Who said they were orbiting?
There isn't any other stable configuration.
thomas p.
If they are being denied for religious reasons yes, but they are not; which
makes your question
pointless.
Calvin Ramsey
> "Calvin Ramsey" <calr...@oaken.net> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:heee23$nq3$1...@news.albasani.net...
>
>> This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
>>
>> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
>> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
>> considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
>>
>
> By who?
>
You having to ask that question is a sad commentary on your knowledge of
the subject.
>
>> And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
>> telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
>> Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
>> go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
>> from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
>>
>
> It is a sad example of theist dishonesty.
>
Wouldn't that be a natural opinion to have, for someone who likes to
think of himself as an atheist, but has shown his knowledge of atheism
in general to be somewhat lacking?
Dan Listermann
"Calvin Ramsey" <calr...@oaken.net> wrote in message
news:heeg3g$m4n$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> This is far more important a topic for me to be spending my time on:
>
> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism. He was
> considered as "one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th century".
> And, for many decades he was a resolute advocate for atheism. In a
> telephone conversation with Dr. Gary R. Habermas, Professor of
> Philosophy and Theology, September 9, 2004, Flew said he simply "had to
> go where the evidence leads." Now, five years later, Flew's conversion
> from atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
>
OK, I will bite on your diversion since you seem determined to avoid dealing
with your strawman. So what? Think about it for a minute. We have an 81
year old man suddenly "finding God." Now is it more likely that a deity
really exists, or are we dealing with an intersection of the realization of
mortality and onset senility?
Thanks for the strawman!
Dan Listermann
>
> Wouldn't that be a natural opinion to have, for someone who likes to
> think of himself as an atheist, but has shown his knowledge of atheism
> in general to be somewhat lacking?
>
SkyEyes
> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism.
<SMACK>
Oh for fuck's sake, Calvin. This is old, old news. Can't you come up
with anything more recent? Is this the best you've got? Anthony-
fucking-Flew?
And by the way: Flew at *most* became a lukewarm deist; at no time
did he profess belief in a personal god. And he's older than dirt,
and failing mentally. Hardly news that would cause the average
atheist to rethink her position.
Now kindly FOAD. Thanks awfully.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
BE-VA
> On Nov 23, 1:07�am, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.org> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-22 14:25:34 -0500, Lefty <leftydr...@netscape.net> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Who set ~you~ up to decide whose marriage is legit and whose isn't?
>>
>> You're not talking to the good people of Maine or California are you, boy ?
>
> You answer a question with an irrelevant question, when the original
> question was not even asked of you. Are you swilling sour mash as you
> post?
> Would you like to know why I haven't engaged in discourse with you?
> It's because you're the worst of all things a poster can be. You're a
> bore. It's not just because you're stupid, because there are lots of
> entertaining morons. You're just stupid in a banal way that has no
> entertainment value.
You came to that conclusion simply because I "BITCH SLAPPED" your sorry
ass, boy? Think about this; you're a newbie in this fight club --
you've got to learn to role with a punch or you won't last more than 3
weeks here.
JumpsOnFire
> In article <2009112300520577923-geronemo@yahoocom>,
> JumpsOnFire <gero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2009-11-22 11:06:29 -0500, "(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���)
>> <www.LayoffRemedy.com> " <x...@m.com> said:
>>
>>>
>>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>>
>> Crazy Craig Chilton wines about others who have opinions that differ
>> from his. But none the less he'll sell you some of his snake oil
>> pamphlets on "How to make millions while 10.2% of the US work force IS
>> OUT OF WORK."
>>
>>>
>>> (Watching Them is Great Fun!! Conning them out of their money is even
>>> funner}
>>>
>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>>
>> It's not whining when it's about "The most "dislikeded minority in the US."
>
> Disliked only because it is feared by all those idiot theists who deny
> any belief in almost as many gods as atheists do. almost as
What's to fear about an atheist? Is it the same "peculiarities that you
sob sisters claim that a majority of Americans fear about cock suckers?
Something akin to, "I'll hit you with my purse" OR "I'll tell you that
I don't think there is a god?" Wooooooooooo! How fucking scary!
<SNIGGER>
>>
>>>
>>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>
>> What's to whine about? You either believe it or you don't
>
> It certainly explains a lot of things better than any supposedly holy
> books do.
>>
>>>
>>> (3) ABORTION
>>
>> Opposed by a majority of Americans
>
> Opposed mostly by men, who would quickly reverse themselves if they ever
> were pregnant. Women, for the most part, find that there are situations
BE-VA
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:50:43 -0800, "Chris" <re...@juno.com> wrote:
> As long as they are consenting adults, why is it any of your business?
OK, all of you from Alabama can still continue to wed your own brothers
and sister mother and fathers. BUT , you can no longer wed outside your
species. I know that's going to put and end to a lot of barnyard
romances but you'll get over it.
Virgil
"Chris" <re...@juno.com> wrote:
> "Virgil" <Vir...@home.esc> wrote in message
> news:Virgil-46848C....@bignews.usenetmonster.com...
> > In article <2009112300520577923-geronemo@yahoocom>,
> > JumpsOnFire <gero...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > (3) ABORTION
> >>
> >> Opposed by a majority of Americans
> >
> > Opposed mostly by men, who would quickly reverse themselves if they ever
> > were pregnant.
>
> Hypothesis contrary to fact.
Until men bear the children and we can see how they then stand on the
issue, there is no fact for that hypotheisi to be contrary to.
Lefty
> On 2009-11-23 01:52:03 -0500, Lefty <leftydr...@netscape.net> said:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 1:07 am, BE-VA <blackwater-evangel...@testland.org> wrote:
> >> On 2009-11-22 14:25:34 -0500, Lefty <leftydr...@netscape.net> said:
>
> >>> Who set ~you~ up to decide whose marriage is legit and whose isn't?
>
> >> You're not talking to the good people of Maine or California are you, boy ?
>
> > You answer a question with an irrelevant question, when the original
> > question was not even asked of you. Are you swilling sour mash as you
> > post?
> > Would you like to know why I haven't engaged in discourse with you?
> > It's because you're the worst of all things a poster can be. You're a
> > bore. It's not just because you're stupid, because there are lots of
> > entertaining morons. You're just stupid in a banal way that has no
> > entertainment value.
>
> You came to that conclusion simply because I "BITCH SLAPPED" your sorry
> ass, boy?
Where? I must have missed that. Surely you can't mean your comment
about Maine and California, which didn't even relate to what I said?
That was supposed to be a "bitch slap"?
Standard weak braggadocio, I guess. How dull. Haven't you got
~anything~ original?
>Think about this; you're a newbie in this fight club --
Think about this; look at the posting history before you make such a
silly statement, ya dumb cunt. Could you possibly be any more
clueless?
> you've got to learn to role with a punch or you won't last more than 3
> weeks here.
People who brag and make implied threats are always insecure. They are
completely powerless, lifelong losers IRL, so they pretend they have
some sort of power over others online. It's sad. Please don't make me
feel sorry for you. I hate feeling sorry for assholes. It's better if
I remain coldly indifferent. Does that work for you?
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
>On Nov 23, 8:32�am, Calvin Ramsey <calram...@oaken.net> wrote:
>
>> In the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British philosopher Antony Flew
>> stunned the academic world by publicly renouncing atheism.
>
><SMACK>
>
>Oh for fuck's sake, Calvin. This is old, old news. Can't you come up
>with anything more recent? Is this the best you've got? Anthony-
>fucking-Flew?
Anybody with more than two neurons to rub together saw that Flew's
powers were waning because he used "arguments" he would have flunked
his students for.
He briefly fell for fallacies from a convincing soundng liar who
mcoupled the argument from ignorance with lies about the state of
scientific knowledge.
Subsequent books on the subject were ghost written for him by fundies.
>And by the way: Flew at *most* became a lukewarm deist; at no time
>did he profess belief in a personal god. And he's older than dirt,
>and failing mentally. Hardly news that would cause the average
>atheist to rethink her position.
Robert Carrier (who corresponded with him) on Antony Flew. Including
an admission by the ghost-writers who wrote the books describing his
deconversion for him.
http://secweb.infidels.org/?kiosk=articles&id=369
juanjo
>
> Problem is same-sex "marriage" is not the same as man-woman marriage. Never
> has been, is not now, and never will be.
>
Marriage, regardless of the gender of the people being married is
about a desire of the two people to be legally united, sharing in the
legal benefits and responsibilities of that state, because they love
and are committed to one another. Procreation is something that
happens with or without the state of marriage and that has always been
true. Prior to Christianity becoming predominant in the Western World
there was same sex marriage among the Romans although it was not
common for the reason that same sex will never be common now - the
majority of people are heterosexual. There were also same sex unions
among different aboriginal tribes in the North and South America as
well as in parts of Asia.
The fact that certain irresponsible parties claim that same sex
marriage is some new radical thing is simply not true. It hasn't been
around in recent times but the reason for that is simple. Christian
dominated societies killed anyone they could lay their hands on who
was openly gay until quite recently and had it banned after they took
over formerly non-Christian societies that allowed same sex marriage
such as Rome.
juanjo
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:46 -0800, "Wayne"
> <mygarbage...@verizon.net> spake thusly:
>
> > "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) wrote:
>
> >> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>
>
> >> (1) ATHEISTS
>
> >> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
> >> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
> >> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>
> the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
> in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
> respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
> claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
>
> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>
> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
> Psalm 14:1a
Who cares what the bible says. It is hardly relevant to point to a
book claiming the existance of some sky pixie as proof there is one.
>
> >> Some of the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of
> >> the worst tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and
> >> Stalin) were such as a RESULT of being atheistic.
>
> They were, according to those men themselves. The did
> not have faith in God and they believed in an accidental
> creation of the world and in evolution and of course, that
> those that they didn't like, were lower on the evolutionary
> tree of life.
>
> Of course, there is the propaganda that these men were
> Christians (especially Hitler), but in reality, they weren't
> and anyone who has studied the actual history, will know
> that to be the case.
There have certainly been men who denied the idea of a Supreme Being
who have been very nasty little monsters. But that is no proof that
the lack of such beliefs caused their bloodthirsty actions. More than
one nasty politician or leader has justified his actions based upon
his unrelenting belief that his deity told him he hwas right and all
who disagreed with him must die. How many Hindus and Muslims died in
the partition of India? How many Jews and Muslims did the Crusaders
massacre in the name of Jesus? You mention Hitler who may or may not
have really been a Christian as we would use that term but Hitler used
the predominant anti-Semitic teachings of Protestant and Roman
Catholic theologians and religious leaders to fan the flames of
antisemitism get the populations of Germany and the other countries
under his subjection to either ignore or actively participate in the
murder of 6 million Jews. Indeed the pogrom,s of Eastern Europe and
even Western Europe were fueled by the religious intolerance of
Christian theologians and religious leaders. The Inquisition both in
Spain and elsewhere tortured and killed people for being religious
heretics. The war in the Germanies in the 1500's and 1600's between
Protestant and Catholics are yet another example. The murders of
thousands of people in Great Britain during the battles between the
Protestants and Catholics there certainly show that belief is a deity
is regularly used to justify abuse of people and even death. The
Puritans who fled religious persecution in England later went on to
conduct their own religious persecutions in the America including the
murder of people accused of witchcraft. Cromwell and other
Protestants in England, who caused the death of tens of thousands of
Irish is a further example. And let us not forget Osama Bin Laden who
is currently responsible for the deaths of thousands both in this
country and elsewhere, all done on the name of religious extremism.
Finally there are those in this country who willingly say that those
who differ from their own particular interpretation of religious
scripture are deserving of death; those who kill or advocate the
killing of abortion doctors, the killing of homosexuals or the
sujugation of non-Chritians including their own form of Christian
jihad.
>
> >> (2) EVOLUTION
>
> >> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
> >> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
> >> 4-light-year-long columns.
>
> This is a lie and one that Craig is proud to tell! There is
> no proof for macroevolution and it does directly conflict
> with the Bible, since it says that man evolved from ape
> and that Jesus was nothing more than a made over
> monkey.
Speaking of lies, Pastor Dave.
1. There is proof of macroevolution. It is just that you and yours
refuse to look at it objectively. As for conflicting with the Bible,
maybe it does and maybe it does not, personally I don't care as the
Bible is not a scientific treatise.
2. Evolution does NOT say that man evolved from the ape and never
has. It does say that we have a common ancestor way back.
3. No treatise on evolution I hae ever read says anything about
Jesus, much less that he was a made over monkey.
>
> >> ABORTION
>
> This one is too obvious and Craigey boy knows it!
Too true. The Bible does not mention abortion at all. Nor does it
have any explicit support on your present position that somehow every
fertilized ovum is instantaneously a complete life in being with a
soul. That is an interpretation put forward by men advocating their
interpretation of scripture. Prior to the adoption of that position
relatively recently in Christian history, the official view was that
there was no independent human until the child took its first breath
of air upon birth. That position too was scripturally based.
And if your position was accurate then your deity is world's largest
abortionist as a huge percentage of fertilized ovum never complete the
pregnancy period and are delivered of their mothers. They are
naturally aborted with no intervention by any human.
>
> Pastor Dave
>
juanjo
> Chris <re...@juno.com> wrote:
> >"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >>>Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
> >>> before the Earth.
>
> >>>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
> >>> before the Sun.
>
> >> The Bible was wrong.
>
> >So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
>
> If the sun didn't exist before the Earth and planets then what did the
> Earth and planets orbit around?
>
> mythology which MUST be wrong.
>
> --
> Ray Fischer
Pastor Dave believes that the sun revolves around the earth
juanjo
> On 2009-11-22 14:20:24 -0500, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
> >news:ck1jg5dhmo9ca9h4a...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:39:46 -0800, "Wayne"
> >> <mygarbage...@verizon.net> spake thusly:
>
> >>> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) wrote:
>
> >>>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>
> >>>> (Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
>
> >>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>
> >>>> Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
> >>>> people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
> >>>> respectable as that of any other one in the world.
>
> >> Now look at the man who claims to be a Christian promote
> >> the idea that atheists are among the most intelligent people
> >> in the world and that their belief system is "every bit as
> >> respectable as any other one in the world", while he also
> >> claims to believe the Bible and that it's God's word.
>
> >> But what does the Bible say about the atheist?
>
> >> "The fool hath said in his heart; 'There is no God'."
> >> Psalm 14:1a
>
> > claim to think it.
>
> But, boy, a high US Court has ruled that atheism IS a religion. Check
> it out, jailhouse lawyer.
>
Please provide the citation to the court case please
Hannele
wrote:
But, of course, Flew never recanted his atheism, which means Calvin is
mistaken or lying.
--
Hannele, A.A #2211
There are at least as many gods as there are believers.
SkyEyes
> Robert Carrier (who corresponded with him) on Antony Flew. Including
> an admission by the ghost-writers who wrote the books describing his
> deconversion for him.
>
> http://secweb.infidels.org/?kiosk=articles&id=369
Excellent web site. Bookmarked for future reference.
Thanks, Chris!
Brenda
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote:
> SUBMORONIC BIGOT, BILL TAYLOR (aka "JumpsOnFire:) spewed:
>> (�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>>> 4 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
>> Craig Chilton [does MANY people a real service during the recession
>> by providing them FULL information on a very AVAILABLE job for which
>> most people over 18 are already qualified. The details can be found at
>> www.TravelForPay.org. AND at www.LayoffRemedy.com.]
There. Even though it was off-topic for this thread, since YOU
brought it up, I've CORRECTED your formerly DIShonest statement,
above, Submoronic-Bigot Taylor. NOW the comment is FACTUAL.
>>> (Watching those bigots is Great Fun!!)
>>>
>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>> It's not whining when it's about "The most "dislikeded minority in the US."
> Disliked only because it is feared by all those idiot theists who deny
> any belief in almost as many gods as atheists do.
Look who made the comment you responded to. One of the biggest
(and most dishonest FOOLS in Usenet. So -- no surprise that he needed
to b corrected in his lie. Only DOLTS dislike ANY atheists on *that*
specious basis.
>>> (2) EVOLUTION
>> What's to whine about? You either believe it or you don't.
And even so, a LOT of *ignorant* people who live in denial of
obvious DO whine about it. Quite irrationally. The "Creation Museum"
in Kentucky is good for LAUGHS!
> It certainly explains a lot of things better than any supposedly holy
> books do.
Yep. There's nothing like good , solid, fossil-filled sedimentary
rock strata, worldwide, to totally DEBUNK specious allegories!
>>> (3) ABORTION
>> Opposed by a majority of Americans.
Another of Taylor's LIES. to BE Anti-Choice, a person has to
actually be DUMB enough to *believe* that mere RPEs (reproductive-
process entities) are entitled to be regarded as PEOPLE... and thus,
those abortion opponents are opposed to ALL abortions. Per the
latest Gallup poll on the topic, only a mere **28%** of Americans
are THAT ignorant and stupid.
> Opposed mostly by men, who would quickly reverse themselves if they
> ever were pregnant. Women, for the most part, find that there are situ-
> ations where abortion is better than any other option.
Intelligent ones do. But don't forget that there are, unfortunately,
quite a few DOLTISH "Sarah Palins" out and about.
As for men, it's been said that: "If men could get pregnant, abortion
would be a sacrament!"
>>> (4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
> To deny the legal benefits of marriage to same-sex pairs for religious
> reasons is unAmerican.
And ABSURD.
Dr. Smartass, Troll Veterinarian
> Subject: Anthony Flew - World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts The
> Existence of God
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Free Lunch
wrote in alt.atheism:
>Free Lunch wrote:
>> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Calvin Ramsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Evolution is a fact of reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Then if it is a "fact of reality", you shouldn't have any problem
>>>>> providing a proof for that assertion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> DNA replication is imperfect. Child organisms do not have identical DNA
>>>> to their parents.
>>>>
>>> Show where imperfect DNA replication is *proof* of the Theory of Evolution.
>>>
>>
>> Do you understand that the facts of evolution and the theory of
>> evolution belong to two different sets? Furthermore, do you understand
>> that facts are not proof of any theory in science?
>>
>
>I understand that you cannot show where imperfect DNA replication is
>*proof* of the Theory of Evolution being a proven "fact of reality".
I never claimed that the theory of evolution became a fact of reality.
You did that because you seem unwilling to acknowledge that facts and
theories are completely different things. No theory ever becomes a fact.
Until you get that through your brain, nothing else will penetrate.
>I understand, as you can read for yourself at
>http://evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/
>that "Modern scientists all over the world are now side stepping the
>origin debate due to the vast discoveries that point to the necessity of
>an intelligent and caring Creator."
So the claim is made, but no evidence backs it up. Not that it matters,
you are referencing a lying religious zealot. You have been played for a
fool by a religiously-motivated liar.
>I also understand that not all scientists believe the evolutionary
>theory, as you can read for yourself at
>http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/v5i10f.htm
>
>And I also know that in the Fall of 2004, the 81-year-old British
>philosopher Antony Flew stunned the academic world by publicly
>renouncing atheism. He was considered as "one of the most renowned
>atheists of the 20th century". And, for many decades he was a resolute
>advocate for atheism. Now, five years later, Flew's conversion from
>atheism to theism is still a prodigious event that cannot be ignored.
Once again, religious zealots misrepresent what people have said. You
seem to forget that the supposed scientists at ICR, CRS, and AIG never
do any science at all. Sorry, but you have been had.
>> You asked for evidence that evolution is a fact.
>
>No. You're wrong.
Oh.
>I did not ask for evidence.
>I asked for *proof* of your assertion that the Theory of Evolution is a
>proven fact of reality.
I pointed out that I never asserted it and that you seem intentionally
unwilling to acknowledge the difference between the facts of evolution
and the theory of evolution. Feel free to tell more lies, but don't
expect anything but mockery in return when you refuse to behave in a
civil or honest manner.
>You can go back and read it for yourself.
I did. You lied.
>>>>>> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Then if it is "false doctrine", you shouldn't have any problem providing
>>>>> a proof for that assertion either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How can a religious doctrine that has been shown to be false by physical
>>>> evidence be anything but a false doctrine? So-called literalism in
>>>> Genesis is one such set of doctrines that have been shown to be false.
>>>>
>>> Literalism is not a doctrine.
>>>
>>
>> Of course it is. It happens to be the minority view in Christianity. The
>> vast majority of Christians belong to Church bodies that do not insist
>> that the stories in the Bible are to be taken literally.
>>
>>
>Well, actually, of course it's not.
>
>The eternality of God is a Christian Doctrine.
>Monotheism is a Christian Doctrine.
>The holiness of God is a Christian Doctrine.
>Trinitarianism is a Christian Doctrine.
>The omniscience of God is a Christian Doctrine.
>The deity of Christ is a Christian Doctrine.
>The immutability of God is a Christian Doctrine.
>The divine inspiration of the Bible is a Christian Doctrine.
>The omnipresence of God is a Christian Doctrine.
>The atonement of Christ is a Christian Doctrine.
>The omnipotence of God is a Christian Doctrine.
Not all Christians accept all of those doctrines.
>But, reading the Bible literally is not a Christian Doctrine.
There are many Christians who do teach it as such. There are none who
are not Christian who think that the entire Bible is literally true. You
may reject it, but it is a doctrine that is limited to Christians.
>I'm sorry, but you're just wrong about that.
>Saying it is, tells me you have no idea what you're talking about.
No, I am not wrong about it. You can take up the "no true Christian"
argument with others.
>>>>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Then if the Bible is wrong, you shouldn't have any problem providing a
>>>>> proof for that assertion either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The physical evidence about the history of the universe shows that your
>>>> interpretation of Genesis as a science text is wrong and that you have
>>>> come to an erroneous conclusion. That is why your claim is false
>>>> doctrine.
>>>>
>>> What "interpretation of Genesis as a science text" are you referring to?
>>>
>>
>> Those who insist that the stories in Genesis that conflict with
>> scientific observation are historically and scientifically true despite
>> the physical evidence showing that those stories could not be accurate
>> and need to be understood in a different way.
>>
>
>Let's take this systematically, one step at a time.
>
>What specific stories in Genesis are you referring to?
Creation I
Creation II
Flood
Babel
Exodus
>Can I assume that one of them is the story of the Flood?
>And, if so, what other stories would you have in mind?
I won't even annoy you with the silly stories about Sodom and Gomorrah,
though they didn't happen, either.
Free Lunch
alt.atheism:
>
>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>news:334jg55irif2ubugi...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:25:33 -0500, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com>
>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:43:01 -0800, "Chris" <re...@juno.com>
>>>spake thusly:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> (2) EVOLUTION
>>>>>
>>>>> ...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star
>>>>> formation
>>>>> that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
>>>>> 4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
>>>>> whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
>>>>> make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
>>>>> tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
>>>>> of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides
>>>>> evidence
>>>>> that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
>>>>> universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
>>>>> simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
>>>>> evolutionary process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>During the first billion years God creates light
>>>>During the second billion years He divides the waters above from the
>>>>waters
>>>>below
>>>>During the third billion years God causes dry land to appear......
>>>>Genesis 1:1-2:4
>>>>
>>>>And during the seventh billion years, He rested!
>>>
>>>No, sorry, that doesn't work and it's just you trying
>>>to compromise with atheistic ideas, because you
>>>have been fooled into thinking that macroevolution
>>>is a fact of science. But it isn't.
>>
>> Evolution is a fact of reality. Your willingness to lie about that fact
>> does not change it.
>>
>>>Nor does evolution in any way possibly line up
>>>with what the Bible says on the Creation!
>>
>> That's because your interpretation of the Bible is false doctrine.
>>
>>>Just three examples (there are obviously more)...
>>>
>>>
>>>Contradiction between evolution and creation #1:
>>>
>>>Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
>>> before the Earth.
>>>
>>>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>>> before the Sun.
>>
>> The Bible was wrong.
>
>So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
God forgot the matches. Maybe he gave them to Old Scratch and they got
lost.
>
>>
>>>Contradiction between evolution and creation #2:
>>>
>>>Using your "billions of years" scenario, which is
>>>no more than the "Gap Theory", you run into
>>>a serious problem, since your concept states,
>>>as you just demonstrated, that time went by
>>>between the days. However...
>>>
>>>Fact: Plants require insects and the Sun to survive.
>>
>> Not all plants require insects. A few do not require the sun.
>>
>>>Fact: If billions of years went by, then plants could
>>> not have survived, considering that they would
>>> have been created billions of years before either
>>> insects or the Sun was created and so no, the
>>> argument that the "Light = the Sun" doesn't
>>> work either, since you're still left with the problem
>>> of the insects.
>>
>> Your ignorance of the history of life on earth is noted.
>>
>>>Contradiction between evolution and creation #3:
>>>
>>>Fact: The idea of the Big Bang, etc., means that
>>> evolution is being supported by its proponents,
>>> since the Big Bang is part of evolutionary theory.
>>
>> The Big Bang is a cosmological theory from physics. It has nothing to do
>> with biological evolution.
>>
>>>Fact: If evolution is true, then that means that man
>>> was not created in God's image, because man
>>> is not the end of evolution, because it is still
>>> continuing and man will evolve into something
>>> else and that means that the Bible is a lie and
>>> so, when you claim to believe in evolution and
>>> the Bible, you cannot be telling the truth.
>>
>> There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that mankind was
>> created in God's image.
>>
>> You teach lies and blame God for the lies you teach.
>>
>>
>> ...
Smiler
> "Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote in message
> news:%6oOm.27439$2E.1...@newsfe20.ams2...
>> survived for 'a billion years' without any light?
>
> Who said the plants were created before the sun?
>
Your book of myths, fables, fairy tales, contradictions and downright lies
that you call 'the bible'.
>> Well, liar. No answer?
>
> CLEARLY, you have me confused with some other poster.
>
So you agree that "You teach lies and blame God for the lies you teach."
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Free Lunch
alt.atheism:
>Chris <re...@juno.com> wrote:
>>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>>> Chris <re...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>
>>>>>>Fact: Evolution says that the Sun was created
>>>>>> before the Earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fact: The Bible says that the Earth was created
>>>>>> before the Sun.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bible was wrong.
>>>>
>>>>So the sun was there, but it just wasn't turned on yet?
>>>
>>> If the sun didn't exist before the Earth and planets then what did the
>>> Earth and planets orbit around?
>>
>>Who said they were orbiting?
>
>There isn't any other stable configuration.
Sure there is. The Bible tells us what it is:
Earth is a plate.
It has a colander over it called Heaven
The stars are the lights that shine through the colander holes.
The plate sits on a foundation and never moves.
The sun runs across the colander the same way it does in Greek
mythology.
Perfectly stable. You can build one in your kitchen.
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
"Smiler" <Smi...@joe.king.com> wrote:
> Same-sex marriages were blessed by the church, up until the
> 15th century.
>
>http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/gaymarriagerite.html
GREAT catch!! I've just incorporated the above link into my
SIG file!
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
>>> (Watching Bigots LOSE is Great Fun!!)
>>>
>>> (1) ATHEISTS
>> It's not whining when it's about "The most "dislikeded minority
>> in the US."
Another LIE by Taylor! NO *intelligent* person would ever
disparage any person on so TRIVIAL a basis.
> Hatred isn't not a Christian ideal.
>>> (2) EVOLUTION
>> What's to whine about? You either believe it or you don't.
A lot of IDIOT actually *do* WHINE about it.
> Truth or superstition.
>>> (3) ABORTION
>> Opposed by a majority of Americans
> That's a lie.
And a *monumental* one at that. Per the most recent Gallup
Poll, only a mere 28% of Americans are ACTUAL Anti-Choicers.
(The TRUTH and Bill Taylor are mutually-exclusive. And everyone
knows it. He's a bone-IGNORANT laughingstock.)
>>> (4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
>> Recently VOTED DOWN by the people of Maine and California.
By bigoted and conned ignoramuses. THAT will very SOON change!
http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com/CA-SSM-Progress--00-08.html
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
(Watching Them LOSE is Great Fun!!}
(1) ATHEISTS
Besides being some of the most inquisitive and intelligent
people in the world, their belief system is every bit as
respectable as that of any other one in the world. Some of
the more IGNORANT bigots claim that some of the worst
tyrannies (such as the USSR under Lenin and Stalin) were
such as a RESULT of being atheistic. In reality, though, the
tyrants simply were misusing atheism by claiming that no
power exceeded that of the TYRANTS or the STATE.
(2) EVOLUTION
...is merely a scientific process, akin to the star formation
that we've seen in that famous Hubble Telescope photo of
4-light-year-long columns. The irony is that those who
whine about evolution and think they can debunk it (and
make fools of themselves in the process) claim to be Chris-
tians... but the process of evolution MAGNIFIES the power
of God, rather than diminishing it. Since it provides evidence
that God not only was omnipotent enough to create the
universe -- but ALSO likely was omnipotent enough to
simultaneously create -- and possibly even guide -- the
evolutionary process.
(3) ABORTION
This is one of the world's GREATEST, most successful,
in terms of efficacy and safety, REMEDIES. It enables no
fewer than a BILLION (with a "B") girls and women over
any given modern-day 18-year-long period, worldwide, to
UNDO an unwanted medical condition that had the potential
to WRECK their futures, and destroy countless of their
future opportunities. It simply resets the clock, and males
it as though the ill-timed pregnancy had never happened.
The IRRATIONAL opponents of this harmless and hugely-
BENEFICIAL remedy like to pretend (and LIE) that mere
RPEs (reproductive-process entities) equate in ANY mean-
ingful way to already-born PEOPLE. They don't. Not even
remotely. Any more than cake batter and acorns, which
have the same "ingredients" even remotely are the equiv-
alent of cakes or oak trees. Bigots who oppose abortion
are among the world's MOST hateful and ignorant louts,
because they seek to FORCE girls and women to gestate
UNwanted pregnancies to term at the expense of count-
less of their future life options, for NO good reason. Girls
and women should always ask THIS question about such
obnoxious losers: "What do YOU have to lose in the course
of forcing US to wreck our futures?" Anti-Choice bigots are
some of the world's MOST irrational and hateful people.
Fortunately for tens of millions of American girls and women,
the benevolent "Roe vs. Wade" decision by the Supreme
Court in 1973 was the greatest single act of EMANCIPA-
in history since Lincoln freed the slaves!
(4) SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Could there POSSIBLY be *anything* more HARMLESS
than that? FACT: *NO* facts even EXIST that make a
valid argument for EXCLUDING same-sex couples from
marrying. For example, there is NO requirement for ANY
couple to either procreate, or declare any intention of
having kids. And MILLIONS of opposite-sex married
couples have CHOSEN *not* to! I have yet to see ANY
of the anti-SSM bigots WHINING about THAT! (And it is
a very interesting fact that millions of gay singles and
couples, whether married or not, have decided TO have
and raise children via the MANY legal ways by which they
can obtain them. As can be readily seen by going HERE:
http://www.Egalitarian.biz/Millions-have-kids.html.
The most ludicrous LIE that the bigots so desperately
pursue is the specious notion that same-sex marriage
can in ANY way be damaging to opposite-sex marriage.
It flat-out CANNOT. And that makes the so-called
"Defense of Marriage" measures that Congress and
many states have passed proof positive that P.T.
Barnum was right! Fortunately, SO was Lincoln, who
said that one can't fool all of the people all of the time,
and thus, ALL of those hatefully-exclusionary laws will
SURELY end up in history's boneyard before much
longer. JUST as it was utterly STUPID to exclude inter-
racial couples from marriage prior to 1967 -- it is every
bit as irrational and MORONIC to exclude same-sex
couples from marrying today. And society is FAST
learning that, and SOON will throw the hateful and
ignorant bigots under the bus once and for all. Just
look at the wonderful PROGRESS California has been
making, without most of the bigots even realizing it!
California is right on the verge of lowering the boom
on those pathetic losers once and for all !! --
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffRemedy.com>
Max (aka "Mother Fucker <mother...@wowmail.com> wrote:
> Craig Chilton <www.LayoffRemedy.com> wrote:
>> 3 ***HARMLESS*** Things that *Bigots* WHINE About
<idiotic hate-swill by Max/"M-F" flushed>
Actually, there are FOUR:
Don Martin
>> Don't you feel the same way about this, Dan?
>>
>
>Look who is talking about having a hard time forgetting things!
>
>I noticed that you did not address my charge of erecting a strawman.
Give him a break. It's the only erection he's managed in years!
-
aa #2278 Never mind "proof." Where is your evidence?
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