Re: My Thanksgiving turkey was once a dinosaur according to the Atheist / Evolutionists !
Steve O
> hey Atheist / Evolutionists, where did the monkey come from ? and
> where did the monkey's progenitor's come from, and their progenitor's
> come from ?... all the way back to elements that are not alive ?
What a stupid thing to say.
YOU are made of elements which are not, nor ever have been alive.
For example, if you were able to take a microscopic pair of tweezers and
pluck every atom from your body one by one you would be left with a pile of
atoms which are not alive and never have been.
Those atoms have briefly come together in a pattern known as YOU, which
happens to be alive and sentient.
Your statement about life arising from non-life is meaningless
--
Steve O
a.a.2240
BAAWA
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from Purgatory by Papal Indulgence
ilbe...@gmail.com
> Exempt from Purgatory by Papal Indulgence
But put them all together and we have a very living person dont we ?
How did materials give us our non material personality traits such as
abstract thought, discernment, moral oughtness in addition to the
Mind ? If materials gave us the Mind, then where exactly is our Mind
located in our Body ?
Ralph
It is located in the brain of most normal people. I imagine that yours
would be in your ass.
SkyEyes
You took the words right out of my mouth....
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
ilbe...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Mind is NOT part of the brain , and if it is...where in the Brain
is it located exactly ? I know where your hostility is located .
Ralph
I told you where yours is located, isn't that enough? Of course the mind
is a function of the brain: the element or complex of elements in an
individual that feels, perceives, thinks, wills, and especially reasons
b : the conscious mental events and capabilities in an organism c :
the organized conscious and unconscious adaptive mental activity of an
organism
Why don't you tell us how your mind operates. I would love to hear from
a person who has his mind in his ass.
Ken
> It is located in the brain of most normal people. I imagine that yours
> would be in your ass.
Yep..it's in the same location as his head..K
Free Lunch
<ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
It is a fantasy of humans that their minds are somehow special. They are
not. The mind is just our name for our brain working.
Ken
in one word...........godidn'tdoit
Quote the Raven1: "Seriously, I've been on Usenet for 13 years, and
you have to be the dumbest, most ignorant person I've run across in
that time.
Steve O
> On Nov 23, 5:11 pm, "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>> old man joe wrote:
>>> hey Atheist / Evolutionists, where did the monkey come from ? and
>>> where did the monkey's progenitor's come from, and their
>>> progenitor's come from ?... all the way back to elements that are
>>> not alive ?
>>
>> What a stupid thing to say.
>> YOU are made of elements which are not, nor ever have been alive.
>> For example, if you were able to take a microscopic pair of tweezers
>> and pluck every atom from your body one by one you would be left
>> with a pile of atoms which are not alive and never have been.
>> Those atoms have briefly come together in a pattern known as YOU,
>> which happens to be alive and sentient.
>> Your statement about life arising from non-life is meaningless
>>
>> --
>> Steve O
>> a.a.2240
>> BAAWA
>> eri Convicted by Earthquack
>> Exempt from Purgatory by Papal Indulgence
>
> But put them all together and we have a very living person dont we ?
Absolutely
> How did materials give us our non material personality traits such as
> abstract thought, discernment, moral oughtness in addition to the
> Mind ?
If I knew that, I would be collecting a Nobel Prize.
Do you have the answer?
>If materials gave us the Mind, then where exactly is our Mind
> located in our Body ?
You'll have to leave that one to the philosophers.
You could argue that the mind exists within the brain, between neural
pathways, but asking where the mind is in the material of the body is a
little like asking where the performer is in the vinyl disc.
--
Steve O
a.a.2240
BAAWA
Steve O
> A reminder for my good friend joe.
>
> We creationist evolutionists who accept that God is the ultimate cause
> of all life and of how it has changed over time know humans did not
> derive from monkeys. How do we know, because God in his creation
> provided the information by which the real creatures preceeding humans
> are to be found. Found in His revelation to us in the creation.
>
> Joe has in past been appraised of this error, a kind of urban myth
> cartoon he thinks pleasing to continue , but memory can fail. I wish
> him a blessed thanksgiving.
>
> Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
Hold on a second, first of all, you are saying you ACCEPT that God is the
cause of all life and then go on to say you KNOW God is the cause of all
life.
So which is it?
Something which you know or something which you simply accept?
panam...@hotmail.com
ROFL! You *really* are one ignorant bastard.
http://neuro.med.harvard.edu/
http://www.mindbraininstitute.org/
> I know where your hostility is located .
Can't speak for Ralph, but my own hostility is located in the fact
that you dumbasses *still* spout your moronic Bronze Age fairy
stories, even though the reality behind these things is *much* more
amazing.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
Smiler
I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
(mindfarts) he usually posts.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Olrik
The "mind", "soul", "conscience", etc., don't exist, they are only
descriptions of brain activity.
We have discovered or developed countless substances that can alter your
brain and mentally fuck you very hard. Care to try heroin? LSD? Simple
molecules that could destroy you...
Virgil
Uncle Vic
wrote:
> The Mind is NOT part of the brain ,
Oh, yes it is, O denier of reality. If it isn't, then why is the mind
affected by the addition of drugs and/or alcohol to the bloodstream that
feeds the brain?
> and if it is...where in the Brain
> is it located exactly ?
Crack a science book on neurology, and you'll have your answer. If you
can't do that, Google is your friend. Do try to stay away from the
religious websites, however, because they'll feed you the same bullshit
lies you're used to accepting.
> I know where your hostility is located .
Irrelevant.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Christians are like Slinkys. They're boring, but they'll put a smile on
your face when you push them down the stairs.
Nomen Publicus
The water in a river is constantly changing - where is the river?
--
Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever
conceived. -- Isaac Asimov
fasgnadh
> The "mind", "soul", "conscience", etc., don't exist
Certainly not in the case of atheists, your posts are daily
evidence that you have no mind, and certainly no conscience.
> We have discovered or developed countless substances that can alter your
> brain and mentally fuck you very hard.
Are you sure it was wise for you to take so many of them?
> Care to try heroin? LSD?
No thanks, we have seen what they did to you.
{"Drugs are BAD, ..umkay!?"
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Alex W.
It's really a whole-body experience, I'd say. Moods, behaviour,
character traits are all influenced by chemical processes in
various parts of the body. For example, the state of your
digestion can have a massive impact on your mental acuity and
energy levels. Or gonads: lose them and you will also undergo a
serious personality shift.
Devils Advocaat
If these alleged non-material traits of abstract thought, discernment,
moral oughtness, and mind are not part of the brain, then how come
when the brain is damaged these traits are impaired or lost completely?
Devils Advocaat
If the mind is not part of the brain, would you mind removing your
brain and showing us all that you can function without that organ?
raven1
The brain. Did you sleep through 1st grade Biology?
raven1
In your case, that's probably true
thomas p.
Do you know the difference between an object and a concept?
The brain is an object. The mind is a word used to describe a process
that takes place in the brain.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Olrik is never coming down:
>
> > The "mind", "soul", "conscience", etc., don't exist
>
> Certainly not in the case of atheists, your posts are daily
> evidence that you have no mind, and certainly no conscience.
>
>
> > We have discovered or developed countless substances that can alter your
> > brain and mentally fuck you very hard.
>
> Are you sure it was wise for you to take so many of them?
We only take ourselves, but in much smaller doses, the ones that haven't
detectably damaged fasgnadh's few remaining undamaged brain cells.
SkyEyes
> The Mind is NOT part of the brain ,
Cite, please? What is the evidence that backs up your assertion?
> and if it is...where in the Brain is it located exactly ?
"Mind" is a *function*, not a "thing", Davey. <Eye roll>
SkyEyes
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:40:00 GMT, Free Lunch wrote:
> > <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
And you don't even have to lose them: they merely have to begin
working differently. Your mind changes when your hormone levels
change, particularly with age. <Testify>
furlan
<snip>
> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
'mental flatulence'.
nice phrase.
ciao,
f
--
aa #2301
"...The word that separates that which is dead from that which is
living....In the beginning was the word and that word was...CHOICE"
-- Tom Robbins (SLWW)
furlan
<snip>
> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
furlan
<snip>
> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
furlan
<snip>
> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
furlan
<snip>
> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
Budikka666
Unmet challenge #1
The challenge I offered you in this thread:
http://tinyurl.com/nubnxr
on May 11th 2009, only to see you RUN AWAY.
Unmet challenge #2
Provide *positive*, *scientific* evidence *for* a creation. Not Bible
quotes. Not quotes from creationists or atheists or evolutionists.
Not divine revelation. Not juvenile unsupported ignorant assertions.
Not chants of 'no it isn't!'. Not counter challenges when you haven't
even met ours, but *positive*, *scientific* evidence *for* a creation.
Unmet challenge #3
Provide evidence that shows how DNA is the work of a creator. Show us
this evidence and explain how it demonstrates a creator.
Unmet challenge #4
Support claims that bacteria have never arisen from anything other
than bacteria/life has never arisen from anything but life.
Unmet challenge #5
Provide evidence in support of the creationist claim that information
cannot be added to a genome.
Unmet challenge #6
Define scientifically what the "genetic boundaries" are: specifically
what the mechanism is which (according to creationist claims) prevents
one species from evolving into another species over time.
Unmet Challenge #7
Provide your scientific evidence (as opposed to your LYING,
unsupported bullshit, which has been refuted repeatedly) to support
your creationist claim that life cannot arise from organic chemistry,
when scientists have repeatedly demonstrated that the truth is quite
to the contrary
Unmet Challenge #8
Prove that there's a god out there waiting to judge me when I die.
Otherwise you and your creationist fundie ilk are nothing but pathetic
LIARS and FRAUDS.
Unmet Challenge #9
Prove that we have a soul. Demonstrate scientifically where it is and
what its purpose is.
Unmet Challenge #10
Prove that this fictional Jesus isn't fictional and that he literally
died and that he came back to life and went to Heaven.
Here's a list of the strongest advocates of creation on Usenet WHO
HAVE FLED one or more of these challenges:
Chicken Adman
Chicken Andrew
Chicken Brother Ted
Chicken Codebreaker
Chicken Curtjester1
Chicken Duke
Chicken Gabriel
Chicken I'll Be Bauck
Chicken Pastor Dave
Let's face it, NOT A SINGLE creationist on Usenet has been able to
find the guts to face these challenges. This fictional god of theirs
has deserted every one of these liars and frauds That's what a sad,
pathetic and vacuous bunch of lousy, low-life scum they are.
Case closed. End of story. End of You.
Budikka
Smiler
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:36:54 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
>> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
>
> Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
> 'mental flatulence'.
>
Remember my $�$�$ commission :-)
> nice phrase.
>
Thanks. But it's not so nice when you think about it!
Smiler
> On 24 Nov, 01:07, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 6:18 pm, Ralph <mmman...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Nov 23, 5:11 pm, "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>>>>> old man joe wrote:
>>>>>> hey Atheist / Evolutionists, where did the monkey come from ? and
>>>>>> where did the monkey's progenitor's come from, and their
>>>>>> progenitor's come from ?... all the way back to elements that
>>>>>> are not alive ?
>>>>> What a stupid thing to say.
>>>>> YOU are made of elements which are not, nor ever have been alive.
>>>>> For example, if you were able to take a microscopic pair of
>>>>> tweezers and pluck every atom from your body one by one you would
>>>>> be left with a pile of atoms which are not alive and never have
>>>>> been.
>>>>> Those atoms have briefly come together in a pattern known as YOU,
>>>>> which happens to be alive and sentient.
>>>>> Your statement about life arising from non-life is meaningless
>>
>>
>>>> ? How did materials give us our non material personality traits
>>>> such as abstract thought, discernment, moral oughtness in addition
>>>> to the Mind ? If materials gave us the Mind, then where exactly is
>>>> our Mind located in our Body ?
>>
>>> It is located in the brain of most normal people. I imagine that
>>> yours would be in your ass.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> The Mind is NOT part of the brain , and if it is...where in the Brain
>> is it located exactly ? I know where your hostility is located .
>
> If the mind is not part of the brain, would you mind removing your
> brain and showing us all that you can function without that organ?
It appears that's exactly what he's doing when he posts here.
Frank Mayhar
> On Nov 23, 6:07 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Mind is NOT part of the brain ,
> Cite, please? What is the evidence that backs up your assertion?
Well, he _is_ right, albeit for completely the wrong reasons (hey, even
an unset VCR is right twice a day). The mind is an emergent property of
the whole system and as such has not been well-described.
However, there quite definitely is _not_ anything supernatural or
nonphysical about it.
>> and if it is...where in the Brain is it located exactly ?
> "Mind" is a *function*, not a "thing", Davey. <Eye roll>
As it's an emergent property of a functioning brain, one may point to
such a brain and say that it's there. (Of course, this would leave Davey
out, as it has to be a _functioning_ brain. The poor sod is mindless,
obviously.)
--
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Alex W.
> furlan wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:36:54 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
>>> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
>>
>> Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
>> 'mental flatulence'.
>>
>
> Remember my $�$�$ commission :-)
>
>> nice phrase.
>>
>
> Thanks. But it's not so nice when you think about it!
Makes me wonder what happens to your imagery if you extend ot to
people like me who have no sense of smell...
:-)
Alex W.
<victim statement>
With age ... or once a month!
</victim statement>
Liz
> On Nov 24, 3:13 am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:40:00 GMT, Free Lunch wrote:
> > > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:07:09 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"
> > > <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote in alt.talk.creationism:
> > >>The Mind is NOT part of the brain , and if it is...where in the Brain
> > >>is it located exactly ? I know where your hostility is located .
>
> > > It is a fantasy of humans that their minds are somehow special. They are
> > > not. The mind is just our name for our brain working.
>
> > It's really a whole-body experience, I'd say. Moods, behaviour,
> > character traits are all influenced by chemical processes in
> > various parts of the body. For example, the state of your
> > digestion can have a massive impact on your mental acuity and
> > energy levels. Or gonads: lose them and you will also undergo a
> > serious personality shift.
>
> And you don't even have to lose them: they merely have to begin
> working differently. Your mind changes when your hormone levels
> change, particularly with age. <Testify>
Say it, sister!
Liz #658
furlan
> furlan wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:36:54 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
>>> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
>>
>> Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed on...
>> 'mental flatulence'.
>>
>>
> Remember my $£$£$ commission :-)
>
>> nice phrase.
>>
>>
> Thanks. But it's not so nice when you think about it!
It reminds me of a good friend years ago who used the expression 'brain
farts' to describe what he was experiencing. THAT being said I am
wondering why I am seeing multiple copies of my post. I only posted once.
Back in my FidoNet days we tried to avoid dupes. I wonder what happened
here.
Smiler
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:23:20 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>
>> furlan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:36:54 +0000, Smiler wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I don't think you would. It'd be just more of the mental flatulence
>>>> (mindfarts) he usually posts.
>>>
>>> Thanks. You just gave me a new expression to be used and passed
>>> on... 'mental flatulence'.
>>>
>>>
>> Remember my $�$�$ commission :-)
>>
>>> nice phrase.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks. But it's not so nice when you think about it!
>
> It reminds me of a good friend years ago who used the expression
> 'brain farts' to describe what he was experiencing. THAT being said I
> am wondering why I am seeing multiple copies of my post. I only
> posted once. Back in my FidoNet days we tried to avoid dupes. I
> wonder what happened here.
>
gmail farts??
Smiler
In some ways you're lucky, in other ways, not so lucky.
Father Haskell
> holyf...@wondering.com wrote:
> > A reminder for my good friend joe.
>
> > We creationist evolutionists who accept that God is the ultimate cause
> > of all life and of how it has changed over time know humans did not
> > derive from monkeys. How do we know, because God in his creation
> > provided the information by which the real creatures preceeding humans
> > are to be found. Found in His revelation to us in the creation.
>
> > Joe has in past been appraised of this error, a kind of urban myth
> > cartoon he thinks pleasing to continue , but memory can fail. I wish
> > him a blessed thanksgiving.
>
> > Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
>
> Hold on a second, first of all, you are saying you ACCEPT that God is the
> cause of all life and then go on to say you KNOW God is the cause of all
> life.
> So which is it?
> Something which you know or something which you simply accept?
MY turkey was a Beltsville white, created by ag
researchers employed by the United States government,
not god, thank you very much. It was delicious.
Devils Advocaat
It only appears to be the case.
He possesses a brain.
However, using it seems to be another question.
Don Martin
wrote:
>In alt.agnosticism IlBe...@gmail.com <ilbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 23, 5:11�pm, "Steve O" <nos...@here.thanks> wrote:
>>> old man joe wrote:
>>> > hey Atheist / Evolutionists, where did the monkey come from ? �and
>>> > where did the monkey's progenitor's come from, and their progenitor's
>>> > come from ?... �all the way back to elements that are not alive ?
>>>
>>> What a stupid thing to say.
>>> YOU are made of elements which are not, nor ever have been alive.
>>> For example, if you were able to take a microscopic pair of tweezers and
>>> pluck every atom from your body one by one you would be left with a pile of
>>> atoms which are not alive and never have been.
>>> Those atoms have briefly come together in a pattern known as YOU, which
>>> happens to be alive and sentient.
>>> Your statement about life arising from non-life is meaningless
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steve O
>>> a.a.2240
>>> BAAWA
>>>eri Convicted by Earthquack
>>> Exempt from Purgatory by Papal Indulgence
>>
>> But put them all together and we have a very living person dont we ?
>> How did materials give us our non material personality traits such as
>> abstract thought, discernment, moral oughtness in addition to the
>> Mind ? If materials gave us the Mind, then where exactly is our Mind
>> located in our Body ?
>
>The water in a river is constantly changing - where is the river?
Inside the banks that changing has formed.
-
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Smiler
I've seen no evidence of that.
SkyEyes
Glad you enjoyed yours! Mine was a little mutant 8-lb Butterball,
which Kid Brother cooked in his smoker. It was to die for. :)
Father Haskell
Cooked ours on the Weber. It was to murder for.