Question about new Christian emblem
*nemo*
sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is a
fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
know what the point of this is?
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> Recently here in Mississippi, I've seen some cars around town with a new
> sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is a
> fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
> know what the point of this is?
Sure it's actually christian? Maybe they're making fun of the
obviously drug inspired hallucinations known as revelations?
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"*nemo*" <nemo...@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in message
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> Recently here in Mississippi, I've seen some cars around town with a new
> sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is a
> fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
> know what the point of this is?
>
>
When I was a child, my family would attend Spanish mass at the Roman
Catholic Church. One of the songs sung during the service was De Colores.
Here's a quote (in English):
Missionaries, missionaries
of Christ with His courage
determined to conquer.
Cursillistas, cursillistas
who don't pay attention
to human opinion.
Let the cowards, let the cowards
deride us and taunt us
but it is the truth
that they really desire the pleasure
of being in grace in colors with us (repeat)
So, I'm guessing that the bumper sticker is stating that the owner of the
car is in a state of grace.
All guesswork, mind you.
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*nemo*
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>
> "*nemo*" <nemo...@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote in message
> news:yKwE6.30620$IJ1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Recently here in Mississippi, I've seen some cars around town with a new
> > sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is
a
> > fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
> > know what the point of this is?
> >
> >
>
> When I was a child, my family would attend Spanish mass at the Roman
> Catholic Church. One of the songs sung during the service was De Colores.
> Here's a quote (in English):
>
> Missionaries, missionaries
> of Christ with His courage
> determined to conquer.
> Cursillistas, cursillistas
> who don't pay attention
> to human opinion.
> Let the cowards, let the cowards
> deride us and taunt us
> but it is the truth
> that they really desire the pleasure
> of being in grace in colors with us (repeat)
How very revealing, this glorification of being persecuted, even when
they're in charge!
>
> So, I'm guessing that the bumper sticker is stating that the owner of the
> car is in a state of grace.
>
> All guesswork, mind you.
It sounds quite a likely connection.
> --
> Maria Elena
> #1271
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>
>
>
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*nemo*
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:36:46 GMT *nemo* <nemo...@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com>
wrote:
> > Recently here in Mississippi, I've seen some cars around town with a new
> > sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is
a
> > fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
> > know what the point of this is?
>
> Sure it's actually christian? Maybe they're making fun of the
> obviously drug inspired hallucinations known as revelations?
No, it's used by xians, alright. I saw a bunch on sale in an xian bookstore
at the mall a short while back...
>
> --
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> Rev. Rian B. Jensen (www.math.utah.edu/~c-jnrb) aa #317 aa Minister #1
> To become an aa Minister go to www.ulc.org get ordained and email me.
> The aa Minister list is kept at: http://www.math.utah.edu/~c-jnrb/minilist
>
> There's no more proof for the existence of God than there is for the
> existence of the Easter Bunny. That's right. The Easter Fucking Bunny.
> -- Stryder, on alt.atheism
>
>
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chibiabos
<yKwE6.30620$IJ1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, *nemo*
<nemo...@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
> Recently here in Mississippi, I've seen some cars around town with a new
> sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is a
> fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
> know what the point of this is?
I don't know if this helps but "de Colores" is a low-rider club here in
Santa Barbara. Nice club. Guys spend months tricking out their cars and
that's all they do. That is, it's not a street gang but an automotive
hobbyist group largely intended for Hispanic males. Their logo is an
_arco iris_ (a rainbow).
The bumper sticker you saw may be a blend of the _arco iris_ logo and
the Christian icthus symbol. Perhaps a subgroup of Christian
low-riders?
-chib
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Their keen enjoyment hid behind
A gothic mask of duty.
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Conrad Knauer
*nemo* wrote:
> Recently here in Mississippi, I've seen some cars around town with a new
> sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is a
> fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
> know what the point of this is?
Hmm...
There's a christian merchandise website http://www.decolores.com/
This is the text of the "Prayer Card" they sell:
---
[image of a rainbow]
Praying the Colors of the Rainbow
As you pray the colors of the rainbow, remember God's covenant with you
and all His people, that you might respond to His love by sharing that
love in the corner of the world to which he calls you to be His witness.
Red is for righteousness - we are washed clean by the blood of the Lamb
and returned to a right relationship with our God. Pray for an ever
increasing relationship with God.
Orange is the color of the new morning sun - born again in Christ we are
a new creation. Pray for new insights as you recommit your life to
Christ daily.
Yellow is for the Light of Christ. Pray that the Light of Christ will
always guide your path and warm your heart.
Green is for the season of growth. Pray for continual growth in the
knowledge of Christ and who you are as a child of God.
Blue is for the water of life. Pray for the nourishment that can only
come from the Living Water as you continue your faith journey.
Purple is the color for the royal priesthood. Pray that you will
respond to God's call to be part of the royal priesthood by proclaiming
the Good News of Christ.
---
There's another christian merchandise site
http://www.webfodder.com/decolores/ ("Fine Apparel For Witnessing")
"DeColores Designs is dedicated to providing the highest quality
embroidered and printed casual wear and products that relate to the
Cursillo, Chrysalis, Emmaus, or Via DeCristo experience."
so basically, its a motto/logo for their particular brand of
christinsanit... er, christianity ^_-;
There's an Emmaus website at http://www.upperroom.org/emmaus/
You can read more about it there.
CK
Sean C
<yKwE6.30620$IJ1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, *nemo*
<nemo...@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
The term is associated with the "Cursillo" movement which originated in
Spain, and is some kind of ecumenical course. There is a FAQ at:
http://members.aol.com/alanj32020/curfaq.htm
and scroll down to the "Where did De Colores originate?" to see an
interesting commentary on the origins of this phrase.
A quote from the page:
[Incidentally, De Colores has been recorded by both Joan Baez and Pete
Seeger -- it is the theme song of the United Farm Workers, which caused
great problems in some movements in California where many of those who
showed up at Clausuras, etc. were farm workers, singing De Colores, and
the new Cursillistas were owners, who were not at all pleased at
hearing that song on their Weekend.]
So much for diversity and togetherness.
Sean C
*nemo*
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Thanx, Conrad! Looks like you nailed it down pretty well.
Gennem
Wasn't the purpose of the rainbow, according to the mythology, a promise from
Yahweh not to repeat the act of global genocide?
Oh, what am I doing? Silly me for trying to apply rationality to Christianity.
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Kronk
<nemo...@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
>Recently here in Mississippi, I've seen some cars around town with a new
>sort of xian bumper sticker that puzzles me. The most common version is a
>fish with the words "de colores!" inside, done in rainbow colors. Anyone
>know what the point of this is?
Ah, so we can now identify the particular fish used in the Ick logo.
Apparently it is rainbow trout. And all this time I thought it was
large mouth bass.
Kronk
Mike Painter
"Gennem" <REMOVE_THI...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth."
In any event while the true meaning of the emblem has been shown here maybe
the EAC should (If it has not done so already) point out to the xians not
showing the symbol that the rainbow is also used by the Gay lesbian crowd.
Let'em beat up on themselves for a change.
Liquid_Grace
I, as a former Mizzippian, can clear that right up for you, Nemo. :)
De Colores is the name of a marriage retreat run (IIRC) by the Episcopal
church there in Jackson. It's fairly harmless stuff (though, as churches
go, the local Episcopalians are fairly harmless as well - been to some nice
barbecues there, I have.)
Basically, it's three days or a weekend of intensive marriage counseling, is
all. Nothing too sinister! My ex's parents went, and I'm told there's very
little actual preaching that goes on, just some time spent with each other
and with professional counselors. They do pray a lot, of course, but it's
not like getting preached at for three days straight. My ex's parents
credit De Colores with saving their marriage, and they weren't then (I
haven't spoken with them in years) rabid fundy types.
Also, from living in CA, the words De Colores mean something to
Mexican/Spanish folks there, unrelated to church, I *think*. I'm open to
correction on this one, but I used to see a lot of De Colores bumper
stickers in the Sacramento area, but they weren't fishy ones.
Grace
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Bob Dog
<te66dvq...@corp.supernews.com>:
>I, as a former Mizzippian, can clear that right up for you, Nemo. :)
>
>De Colores is the name of a marriage retreat run (IIRC) by the Episcopal
>church there in Jackson. It's fairly harmless stuff (though, as
>churches go, the local Episcopalians are fairly harmless as well - been
>to some nice barbecues there, I have.)
>
>Basically, it's three days or a weekend of intensive marriage
>counseling, is all. Nothing too sinister! My ex's parents went, and
>I'm told there's very little actual preaching that goes on, just some
>time spent with each other and with professional counselors. They do
>pray a lot, of course, but it's not like getting preached at for three
>days straight. My ex's parents credit De Colores with saving their
>marriage, and they weren't then (I haven't spoken with them in years)
>rabid fundy types.
That sounds very much like "marriage encounter", the
catholic movement, which has been labelled by some a
cult. Read Andre McNicol's "Catholic Cults" for an
eye-opener. (I can't read it anymome, somebody stole
the copy from the public library, a strongly catholic
city.)
ME also claims to be a mildly religious meeting, but
in actuality involves frantic prayer and occupation
of time to prevent thoughts not related to what the
priests are asking of them. It would not surprise
me if DC is the same.
>Also, from living in CA, the words De Colores mean something to
>Mexican/Spanish folks there, unrelated to church, I *think*. I'm open
>to correction on this one, but I used to see a lot of De Colores bumper
>stickers in the Sacramento area, but they weren't fishy ones.
ME bumper stickers with interlocked hearts and a
cross are common in some neighborhoods near me.
It figures though. Just as episcopalians, baptists,
and the like pretend they're not descended from
catholicism, I bet they say DC is not based on ME.
(Nemo, would you mind asking an episcopalian if
this is true and tell us how rabid he acts? ^_^)
Bob Dog
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god shaped vacuum."
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"There is nothing quite so terrible as evil
masquerading as virtue."
Bob Dog
>There's a christian merchandise website http://www.decolores.com/
>This is the text of the "Prayer Card" they sell:
>
>As you pray the colors of the rainbow, remember God's covenant with you
>and all His people, that you might respond to His love by sharing that
>love in the corner of the world to which he calls you to be His witness.
>
>Red is for righteousness
>Orange is the color of the new morning sun
>Yellow is for the Light of Christ.
>Green is for the season of growth.
>Blue is for the water of life.
>Purple is the color for the royal priesthood.
Only *SIX* colours? What are they trying to do, coopt
the gay/bi/lesbian pride flag?
It's well known there are seven colours in the rainbow;
gay groups only started using six colours when someone
in the 1970s accidentally made a poster with six. The
only reason I can see for adopting the six colour flag
is to corrupt its meaning; what would you bet some of
them claim they used it first?
Conrad Knauer
> Wasn't the purpose of the rainbow, according to the mythology, a promise from
> Yahweh not to repeat the act of global genocide?
---
I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off
by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy
the earth." And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making
between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for
all generations to come: I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it
will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. Whenever I
bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, I
will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of
every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all
life. Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and
remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures
of every kind on the earth." So God said to Noah, "This is the sign of
the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth."
---
(NIV) Genocid... er, Genesis 9:11-17
CK
("I have set my rainbow in the clouds"... you don't suppose the authors
thought it was a physical object, do you? ;)
*DW*
>Only *SIX* colours? What are they trying to do, coopt
>the gay/bi/lesbian pride flag?
>
>It's well known there are seven colours in the rainbow;
>gay groups only started using six colours when someone
>in the 1970s accidentally made a poster with six. The
>only reason I can see for adopting the six colour flag
>is to corrupt its meaning; what would you bet some of
>them claim they used it first?
I was thinking the same thing. : (
Dana
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>"Liquid_Grace" <liquid...@mailcity.com> wrote in
><te66dvq...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
>>I, as a former Mizzippian, can clear that right up for you, Nemo. :)
>>
>>De Colores is the name of a marriage retreat run (IIRC) by the Episcopal
>>church there in Jackson. It's fairly harmless stuff (though, as
>>churches go, the local Episcopalians are fairly harmless as well - been
>>to some nice barbecues there, I have.)
>>
>>Basically, it's three days or a weekend of intensive marriage
>>counseling, is all. Nothing too sinister! My ex's parents went, and
>>I'm told there's very little actual preaching that goes on, just some
>>time spent with each other and with professional counselors. They do
>>pray a lot, of course, but it's not like getting preached at for three
>>days straight. My ex's parents credit De Colores with saving their
>>marriage, and they weren't then (I haven't spoken with them in years)
>>rabid fundy types.
>
>That sounds very much like "marriage encounter", the
>catholic movement, which has been labelled by some a
>cult. Read Andre McNicol's "Catholic Cults" for an
>eye-opener. (I can't read it anymome, somebody stole
>the copy from the public library, a strongly catholic
>city.)
>It figures though. Just as episcopalians, baptists,
>and the like pretend they're not descended from
>catholicism, I bet they say DC is not based on ME.
Actually the Episcopalians don't pretend they aren't descended from
catholics, they consider themselves catholics (just not ones in
communion with Rome).
>(Nemo, would you mind asking an episcopalian if
>this is true and tell us how rabid he acts? ^_^)
A google search seems to indicate a relationship of the words "de
Colores" with Cursillo. The web page (Episcopalian) at
http://fp.enter.net/~jbuford/what_is_cursillo.htm states
What is Cursillo?
Cursillo is a "short course" in Christian living. In our Baptismal
Covenant, we make a commitment to proclaim by word and example the
Good News in Christ, and to seek and serve Christ in all persons.
Cursillo helps us to fulfill our Christian commitment.
The Movement
Cursillo started in Mallorca, Spain by the Roman Catholic Church. It
was developed by laymen under the leadership of their bishop as a way
of "christianizing" their environment. From Spain, Cursillo spread to
the United States, to the Episcopal Church, and to other Christian
traditions.
So yes they (or at least the Episcopalians) are admitting a Roman
Catholic origin for the movement.
See also (the full FAQ is a bit strange)
Linkname: The National Cursillo® Center: Frequently Asked Questions
URL: http://www.natl-cursillo.org/faq.html
It states
Where did "De Colores" come from?
The phrase "De Colores" is the title of a popular folk song which
begins with these words and which has become very popular among
cursillistas. Some have attempted to give this expression the
status of a ritual, a symbol, or even read into it an expression of
the state of conscience: They say "De Colores" to signify that they
are in the state of grace. This has been done, however, without
foundation. It is simply a song which was popular during the early
days of the Cursillo Movement and which provided simple, innocent
and even naive words which are used - and continue to be used - as
a means of relaxation and amusement during the free periods of the
Cursillo . Neither the song itself nor the phrase "De Colores" (or
any other symbol) should be allowed to become an "in-group"
expression separating cursillistas from others.
And
The Episcopalian/Anglican version of the FAQ
Linkname: Cursillo Frequently Asked Questions: with Answers
URL: http://www.arcturus.demon.co.uk/cursillo/faq/index.html
which states
4. Where did De Colores originate?
Well De Colores came about when a bus load of people in Spain broke
down, and these people had to walk something like 20 miles. De Colores
was a Spanish folk song long before the beginning of the Cursillo
movement. When the bus broke down, everyone sang to pass the time and
this was one of the songs that they sang over and over. Thus it bacame
associated with the movement by accident.
Why do we use the term DeColores (I know this means "of color" or
something similar in Spanish) with all the colors of the rainbow?
Someone said they thought it was because the colors represent the
many facets of God's love. Is that correct? What does the rooster
signify?
Traditionally (all the way back to the 13th century), the rooster
symbolizes Christ's resurrection by rising early in the morning. De
Colores is from the Spanish song of the same name that speaks (in
about 90+ verses) of the "many colors of God's love". When I was an
English major in college, we read several Middle English songs/poems
that used both the rainbow (some with reference to Noah) and the
rooster as images.
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> What is "cursillistas"?
Members of a evangelical Catholic movement. More here:
http://www.natl-cursillo.org/whatis.html
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johac
<A0DE6.31020$IJ1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"*nemo*" <nemo...@yahoo.NOSPMPLS.com> wrote:
Fine apparel for witnessing? So are we to expect the first fundy
fashion show soon?
>
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> Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
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>
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- Mark Twain (1835-1910).
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Of course he went ahead and left himself a loophole in case he wants
to destroy everything again as described in revelations: "I never said
anything about not killing you all with fire!"
> CK
> ("I have set my rainbow in the clouds"... you don't suppose the authors
> thought it was a physical object, do you? ;)
Of course.